Expert: People on West Coast right to be concerned about Fukushima plume — Things “could get much worse” — Lots of radioactivity flowing into ocean — Gov’t not testing water or fish (AUDIO)

Published: December 1st, 2013 at 2:29 pm ET
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The following three nearly identical Letters-to-the-Editor are signed by a John Lewallen of Philo, California.  According to the www.johnlewallenforcongress.org website, “my wife […] Barbara and I own and operate the Mendocino Sea Vegetable Company devoted to hand-harvesting […] seaweed”:

  • Times-Standard, Dec. 1, 2013 (emphasis added): Fukushima rads won’t hurt us here […] “The situation is of concern near Japan coast where fisheries remain closed,” [WHOI Senior Scientist] Ken Buesseler wrote in an email to me on Nov. 17. “There is a lot of radioactivity left in the tanks (they have removed much of the cesium, but strontium-90 is still very high), contaminated groundwater that flows to the ocean, and spent fuel pool. Something could get much worse
  • Anderson Valley Advertiser, Nov. 28, 2013: Scientific team finds no harmful radiation from Fukushima on West Coast
  • Sonoma Index-Tribune, Nov. 21, 2013: No Fukushima radiation on West Coast

Here is what Buesseler said on the radio two days ago (at 10:00 in): “I completely agree that no radiation has been seen in the regards that we’re not really testing for it ((laughter)) in any organized way […] We have very few data; it’s not really being organized. The government says we don’t really need to do that because we’re predicting very low levels. On the other hand, you could argue I’d very much like to see study on our side of the ocean just to confirm these values and build some confidence with the public that’s been concerned about this. They’re right to be concerned — as scientists we’re telling them they shouldn’t be, but it’d be nice to have a few more data points to fill that gap […] I’ve been told that there’s very little testing going on.”

Buesseler statements on Friday give new meaning to headlines like ‘No Fukushima radiation on West Coast‘ and ‘Scientific team finds no harmful radiation from Fukushima on West Coast‘.

Listen to Buesseler on the radio here (at 10:00 in)

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59 comments to Expert: People on West Coast right to be concerned about Fukushima plume — Things “could get much worse” — Lots of radioactivity flowing into ocean — Gov’t not testing water or fish (AUDIO)

  • dosdos dosdos

    Three monkeys: see no evil, see no evil, see no evil.

    • We have contacted about six marine biologists and asked them about testing in the Pacific for radiation. Only one replied with a one word answer. YES – they are testing for radiation in the Pacific, but no details.

      When followed up on, and asking for more details, we received no reply.

      Are all scientists this out to lunch, permanently?

  • Canuck1

    Thank God, now I can get back to eating fish, seaweed, sushi and swim in the ocean…and hope and pray I don't get an immune deficiency cancer a blood disorder leukemia then die. Notice I said "hope".

  • ftlt

    I wonder, how bad it really will be???..

    Will we notice the effects beyond the random illness or death of those in our circles???…

    Will the wildlife adjust???

    I really don't know.. And I don't think anyone else does at this point either lay person nor scientist ..

    We are in new territory here..

    But I know, it is a horrible event..

  • bo bo

    'it’d be NICE to have a few more data points to fill that gap…'

    Yes the public would be so charmed, Ken.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    “I completely agree that no radiation has been seen in the regards that we’re not really testing for it ((laughter))"

    wouldnt you think that Woods Hole is just the place to actually make some tests? Hes got the equipment, got funding, got interest…got strontium?

    The largest toxic spill…no predicted harm…ha ha, he he

    Expert textpert choking smokers
    Don't you think the joker laughs at you? (Ha ha ha! He he he! Ha ha ha!)
    See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snied
    I'm crying

  • I'd be very appreciative if you would check out my blog that addresses many of the same issues you all are concerned with here on ENE news. Many thanks.

    mrbaxter.tumblr.com

  • norbu norbu

    We do not need permission to be concerned. We here have been very concerned every since 3-11-11. Could get worse? It Will get worse. There is no on off switch. Wake up sheeple.
    N

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Times Standard is the local paper for Eureka, California. Home of the PG&E nuclear plant being decommissioned. Fuel rods remaining in place until 2015. Sits almost on top of the Mendocino Triple Junction, and near several local faults. Yikes. How believable is "it won't affect us here" ?

  • Jebus Jebus

    A moment with the Nature family…

    Mother Nature yells down the stairs towards the pungent smell that is her son's room, "Adam, this is the last time I'm going to tell you to clean your room, your hampster cage and your fishbowl. I think those creatures are trying to tell you to clean up your act.
    Adam yells back up the stairs, "Not right now Mom, I'm winning the game…"
    Mother Nature yells back down, "Allright then, you have five minutes till your Dad gets home, and then we're going to come down there and clean it for you…

  • This press release was published in 2005, years before the Fukushima nuke disaster.

    <a href="http://www.nirs.org/press/06-30-2005/1&quot; title="All Levels of Radiation Confirmed to Cause Cancer.">
    Nuclear Information and Resource Service
    June 30, 2005

    "Among the reports conclusions are:

    There is no safe level or threshold of ionizing radiation exposure.

    Even exposure to background radiation causes some cancers. Additional exposures cause additional risks.

    Radiation causes other health effects such as heart disease and stroke, and further study is needed to predict the doses that result in these non-cancer health effects."

    <i>Anyone familiar with homeopathy is keenly aware of the amazing power of an infinitesimal amount of a remedy.</i>

  • Cisco Cisco

    Low Level Radiation, the West coast and the rest of the planet

    The psychopaths who originally promoted nuclear proliferation like the politicians, numerous federal and state government supporting departments/agencies -DOE, DOD, EPA, FDA, NOAA, et al, industry insiders, NGOs, industry lobbying associations, the banks and insurance companies, and all the other propagandists and co-conspirators, knew ionizing radiation was disease causing and eventually lethal. Following is about when they knew, and who knew, when. Like much of our history, it is an insane and a pathetic ideology that now threatens all of our very lives and a resulting ELE.

    "Even Miniscule Amounts of Radiation Can Be Dangerous"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/meta-review-of-46-studies-even-the-lowest-level-radiation-is-damaging-to-human-health/5312306
    A major new scientific study proves that low-level radiation can cause huge health problems.
    Science Daily reports:

    "Even the very lowest levels of radiation are harmful to life, scientists have concluded in the Cambridge Philosophical Society’s journal Biological Reviews. Reporting the results of a wide-ranging analysis of 46 peer-reviewed studies published over the past 40 years, researchers from the University of South Carolina and the University of Paris-Sud found that variation in low-level, natural background radiation was found to have small, but highly statistically significant, negative effects on DNA as well as several measures of health."

    • Cisco Cisco

      continued…Low Level Radiation, the West coast and the rest of the planet

      Some knowledge milestones from US Department of Energy "Low Dose Radiation Research Program", a chronological history at http://lowdose.energy.gov/timeline.aspx

      1992
      Edward J. Calabrese edits a book entitled Biological Effects of Low Level Exposure to Chemicals and Radiation, based on a workshop held in May 1991 at the University of Massachusetts.
      Oddvar F. Nyraard, Warren K. Sinclair and John T. Lett edit a book entitled Advances In Radiation Biology, Volume 16: Effects of Low Dose and Low Dose Rate Radiation, which examines the biological effects (primarily cancer and mutation induction) of low-dose and low-dose-rate ionizing radiation and the significance of low-dose and low-dose-rate exposures to radiation safety and standards for radiation protection.

      1990
      Jay M. Gould and Benjamin A. Goldman publish the first edition of a book entitled Deadly Deceit, Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Cover-up. The theme of the book focuses of the dangers of low levels of radiation to human populations, the need to limit exposures whenever possible and the need for government to share information on health effects and exposure information with the public.

    • Cisco Cisco

      continued…Low Level Radiation, the West coast and the rest of the planet

      From the book: "Deadly Deceit, Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Coverup" by Jay M. Gould and Benjamin A. Goldman
      The "book offers reason to suspect that the lethal nature of low-level radiation is no "mistaken impression." The scale of potential damage was foreseen by Rachel Carson, Linus Pauling, and Andrei Sakharov, and was later supported by warnings from John Gofman, Arthur Tamplin, Alice Stewart, Thomas Mancuso, Karl Morgan, Carl Johnson and Ernest Sternglass."

      Gould and Goldman say in their book, "Our findings of a supralinear effect also agree with similar findings for cancer mortality from exposures to low-level radiation made by four eminent authorities: Dr. John Gofman, Dr. Karl Z. Morgan, Dr. Thomas Mancuso and Dr. Alice Stewart. All four scientists worked at various times for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission or Department of Energy. All four concluded that the dose-response relationship was supralinear, which means that there is no level of radiation low enough to be deemed "safe". The government terminated the services of all four when they each, independently, came up with what Dr. Gofman has called the "wrong" answer–that is, the opposite of what the AEC wanted to hear."

    • Cisco Cisco

      continued…Low Level Radiation, the West coast and the rest of the planet

      Another book, entitled Cancer From Low-Dose Exposure: An Independent Analysis, authored by John W. Gofman, is published. This book reviews human and physical evidence showing that cancer can be caused by the lowest conceivable doses and dose rates of ionizing radiation. The author rebuts claims that very low doses or dose rates of radiation are safe.

      1970
      Alice Stewart and George Kneale publish a study on children in England and Wales showing an increased risk of cancer due to radiation received from obstetric x‑rays.

      1969
      Arthur D. Bloom publishes paper "Cytogenetic Effects of Low-Dose Internal and External Radiations," which concludes that all exposure to high-energy ionizing radiation, even at low doses, produces chromosomal and genetic damage and that this damage may well be deleterious to the host.

      1958
      United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) declares that fallout from nuclear bombs is harmful to human health.

    • Cisco Cisco

      continued…Low Level Radiation, the West coast and the rest of the planet

      1957
      Karl Z. Morgan in testimony before a Congressional subcommittee states that there is "no safe level of exposure" to radiation.

      1956
      A National Academy of Sciences Committee issues a report asserting no safe threshold for radiation exposure. The report condemns the excessive use of x‑rays in medical and dental practices, exposures to pregnant women, and people being fitted for shoes. Former AEC official, John C. Bugher, declares at an American Public Health Association meeting that an atomic power program would present a much greater health threat than nuclear weapons, due to large quantities of radioactive chemicals emitted into the environment during power generation. Debate begins among scientists and politicians about the hazards of radiation to human populations.

      They knew, they knew long ago; but, the financial and power grabbing opportunities were too seductive, for them, to contemplate their own eventual demise. We go, but they go, too.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, and if this is the truth, then may I ask why it is legal to operate Nuclear Power Plants anywhere on this planet?

    Shut them all down now and do it quickly before we humans are all dead… 🙁

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      @Obe- even if they shut them down, the spent fuel will haunt us forever.
      The waste repositories need to be addressed. SONGS is in shut down, but still a great danger because of the amount of spent fuel waiting for a big earthquake or Tsunami.

      Nukes have shafted humanity and the Earth.

  • dosdos dosdos

    Ran across another banana blogger today. The sad thing is that those idiots believe what they're writing. They actually believe they have the truth cornered and all tied up for themselves. There is no truth in science. Science has nothing to do with truth. Science is about models and theses. Religion is about belief and truth.

    Church of the Holy Banana.

    • SadieDog

      What if one scientist lies and one scientist tells the truth? Is truth involved in science then?

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Science is supposed the involve truth to the highest degree.
        The fact that many scientists will lie for money has degraded the profession to near uselessness.

        No matter the accuracy of some scientists work..it is being shoved aside for corporate interest science.
        Too bad because..modern Human has very little grasp of science..therefore little grasp of reality.

        Dilution leads to delusion.

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          'What if one scientist lies and one scientist tells the truth?'

          In our corrupt, self-serving peer review system, the scientist who speaks in opposition to the dogmatic hierarchy, is silenced and loses his job.

          Russia does not subject their scientist's to any such peer review censorship, and their scientific free speech and publication puts their frontiers years ahead of ours.

          I like the quote from the author of "Everything You Know Is Wrong": paraphrased as "The history of science is the history of corrected mistakes"…

    • SadieDog

      P.S. Religion has NOTHING to do with the truth. They would not be seen in the same room together.

    • Church of Ra-Diation..

      Worship the SUN God – RA

      And his female consort – Diation

      Only true believers allowed

      All others are pagans, not worthy of talking to, to be despised, as they are not part of the holy trinity; alpha, beta, gamma.

      Unbelievers will be cast into a lake of fire to burn forever and ever.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      And many scientific hypotheses (such as low level radiation isn't harmful to health) are touted as theses (proven).

    • Ontological Ontological

      @nbUSA Thanks for the airpower link, the sum of this report defends my position on total REMOVAL of this nuclear nightmare altogether.

      ~>This article has found that the risks to public health from disposing of radioactive nuclear waste by launching it to the sun are extremely small. Specifically, the median cancer fatality rate of one in 3.8 billion reported by the Cassini panel (based on scenarios comparable to those that might occur during the proposed launch)—and only in the event of an accident involving the space launch vehicle—is significantly less than the cancer fatality rate in the general population (one in 5,000). In light of the extremely minimal risks to public health, as well as the defunding of the previously proposed Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository, this article recommends that the United States reconsider the economically viable alternative of launching nuclear waste to the sun.

      One of my posts last week discussing this as a possibility got some sorry response/excuse like "lobbing our trash at the aliens may get it lobbed back at us." I had proposed full solar system removal, and terrorist target was also thrown in as another reason, but the point of using the Sun's photosphere to burn the fuel into sub atomic partials is probably the only sane idea of a safe way to dispose of this waste.

      • Ontological Ontological

        partials=particles, auto correct strikes again.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        @Ontolgical- big fears come from Fuku, but there is so much spent fuel in the USA, that at any given moment we could have disaster right next to millions of people.

        We all focus on what happened 3/11/11….but look at Hanford, Rocky Flats, etc. The spent fuel waste is not going anywhere, so we need to figure out something.

        The more I read and understand the Nuke industry, the more I realize the Earth and all lifeforms are on borrowed time.

        Peace-

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Also, the link to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is a paper wherein they complain their industry is under threat because of the bad publicity the Fukushima gave Nuclear Power.

          Amazing they only care about figuring out a way to keep the madness going.

        • Ontological Ontological

          Exactly why mankind needs to dispose of all the used fuel asap! Just what is stored at Vermont Yankee (the entire 40+ year fuel history of that nuke is still in the overcrowded pools) is too much to deal with environmentally. Now add all NPP around the globe, and burning the tons of spent fuel in the hottest part of the solar mass makes sense. The sub atomic particles would radiate harmlessly out to space along with the solar winds, forever destroyed as harmful elements. This certainly speaks volumes for a permanent storage solution, and at no further risk/cost to the future of earth species generations. I maintain the only reason we (mankind) have not done this already, is that it would be open admission of everything known to be horrible about any nuclear reactors to date, that has been so carefully hidden from public view. PU production is an evil plague.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            OK, but what if one of the vessels carrying the waste were to fall back to Earth? Another "it can't happen" scenario?

          • soern

            No bad idea indeed!
            As we can't know for sure how long we can maintain spent fuel on earth and also know its risky and expensive, probably it would be even cheaper to send it to the sun.
            Make shure shipment to sun does not fail.

          • tbg

            It sounds good but the problem is we have millions if not billions of tons of waste, probably in rods alone and it costs like a hundred dollars per pound to get stuff into space.

            Then I heard one of the scientists talking about that on one of these ene audio or video links, he said he watched the challenger blow up and if it had a full load of nuclear waste it would have killed everyone in florida and probably the whole eastern seaboard because the shuttle can be so high and make such a huge explosion.

            Its such bs about nuclear ever being meant for energy, when they were first developing nuclear energy they made some rods out of titanium, and then other metals, maybe it was magnesium, but they remain stable at a low temp, even when spent in open air, to never burn and their pretty much indestructible. However then tptb couldn't reshape it into bombs like the standard pelletized rods. And then we outsource it to a corrupt corporation that only cares about their stock price.

  • Ken Buesseler, a renowned and respected scientist says exactly what an ENEnews poster would say. Haven't found any radiation because they haven't tested for radiation. Aha! My suspicions confirmed!
    Not testing fish is really criminal. The issue isn't exposure to radiation from swimming in the ocean but eating a salmon that, though originating from a west coast stream, spends four years in the ocean eating fish that may have originated from Fukushima waters. The experts don't really know. But for sure the stupids running the show want to cover up their ineptitude. So no testing of water or fish. Cancer rates have been rising since WW2. Above ground A-bomb testing, increased use of chemicals, noxious exhaust fumes most likely play a part but only cigarette smoking seems to be a documented proven cause of cancer. Cigarettes are legal and the tobacco industry is an important source of tax income. So when more cancer happens due to fukushima, my prediction is that the "experts" will be "puzzled".

  • ruppert

    I wonder if Ken B. would find laughter the appropriate response if he were to find out that one of his children or himself developed cancer from them (not really testing)?

  • markww markww

    I have email going to DR. MITSUHEI MAURATA through the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo. He was a ambassador to Sweden Hopefully he will get my firefighting theory and fuel pool fire fighting and sealing OF Fukushima.

    MITSUHEI MAURATA had asked for experts and others who had input

    MARKWW

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Testing for gamma and beta emitters is still only making a small calculation of concentration. Salt conducts the particles into "weird" quantum states. Sometime's the electron is polar and measurable, other time's it is simply not occupying observable space. This means that 2/3rds of particle states should be observable during nuclear salt covalent bonding. The truth is that less is known about how much space a gamma or beta particle emitter can occupy in the salt channels of the ocean. Atmospheric radiation is carried through the nitrogen rich ozone which halts 60% of bonding. An ocean can reverberate radiation as was seen with Sulfur 35 and rare short lived iodine findings on the kelp. The ocean creates new fission products rarely even seen in nuclear labs.

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Testing for gamma and beta emitters is still only making a small calculation of concentration. Salt conducts the particles into "weird" quantum states. Sometime's the electron is polar and measurable, other time's it is simply not occupying observable space. This means that 2/3rds of particle states should be observable during nuclear salt covalent bonding. The truth is that less is known about how much space a charged particle emitter can occupy in the salt channels of the ocean. Atmospheric radiation is carried through the nitrogen rich ozone which halts 60% of bonding. An ocean can reverberate radiation as was seen with Sulfur 35 and rare short lived iodine findings on the kelp. The ocean creates new fission products rarely even seen in nuclear labs.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    WHERE NUCLEAR RADIATION TRAVELS . . .

    Circles the earth, in the air we breathe, doesn't stop at west coast. Goes around the globe, continuously.

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    At the risk of redundancy, has everyone heard this interview?

    Joyce Riley Interviews Arnie Gundersen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08JgKFgL7Nk

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