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Sickened Fukushima author: Concrete parts under Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 are dropping onto ground -Source

Published: January 10th, 2012 at 7:29 am ET
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Source: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/kmasa924/28796996.html
By: Emiko Numauchi 沼内 恵美子, Minamisoma resident and author of a novel about the battle of Okinawa
Date: Jan. 9, 2012
Translation by Fukushima Diary

“Concrete parts under the spent fuel pool are dropping on the ground”

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Babelfish Translation:

More recent video of workers at Spent Fuel Pool No. 4:

Published: January 10th, 2012 at 7:29 am ET
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88 comments to Sickened Fukushima author: Concrete parts under Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 are dropping onto ground -Source

  • arclight arclight
    January 10, 2012 at 8:12 am

    this is terrible news!… one month or later? we need a better translation.. but that sounds clear enough?

    good lord……….

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  • HamburgGeiger
    January 10, 2012 at 8:17 am

    That is very bad news. But we all knew since March this will happen. We just wait for the day, the earthquake or whatever it takes to collapse SPF 4. Nothing can be done. It always was just a matter of time.

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  • goathead goathead
    January 10, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Well that’s either concrete or pixels dropping to the ground!!

    So this is it then????

    Nice knowing y’all!! xx

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      • xdrfox
        January 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm

        抜き出しました the police all vehicles confirmed from sunrise to sunset.
        Along the way, モニタリングカー and included in the vehicle to stop.
        So maybe that Noda Prime was Minami soma city visited on this day, Ｊ and may head to the village, was checked video over escort vehicles are not reflected in-with.
        Is like visited Minami soma city paper company and hospital after attending in Fukushima city, Fukushima revival re co-op parliamentary.

        It is 10 times the speed.
        1/8/2012
        Again unauthorized use is prohibited. Please let us know in the message. Please feel free to embed blog or link to this video addresses please.
        From the window of the Sima wipe Tomioka live NTT East Japan Fukushima branch
        Location: East Japan Tomioka building Highway No. 6 line Fukushima Futaba-gun Tomioka-machi ＮＴＴ

        Fukushima first nuclear power plant at the back is no. 2 nuclear power plant before the screen （ Ｊ village ）

        Window wipe Tomioka live Island-NTT East Japan Fukushima branch

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        • arclight arclight
          January 10, 2012 at 4:09 pm

          noda was supposed to have gone sometime sunday! no reporting and no further mention of a visit to daichi..

          looks like hes going to the safer outskirts for two more future visits as well (maybe?)…when he gets the new martial flu/law thing passed..

          hes also sacking anyone that doesnt agree with him on friday.. hes called a meeting and expects everyone to be there.. or else!

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  • arclight arclight
    January 10, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Static Reliability of Concrete Structures under Extreme Temperature,
    Radiation, Moisture and Force Loading

    Concretes of the load-bearing structures of the primary circuit are affected not only by the mechanical stress but
    also by the moisture stress. Moreover, these concrete structures are also subjected to long-period influence of
    high temperatures during their lifetime.

    Due to the present temperature and moisture stresses, new crystalline
    formations inside the concrete structure can develop (e.g. 11 A-tobermorit) and so one part of evaluation works
    was focused on observations of the actual physically- mechanical characteristics of concrete. The experimental
    part of the works was especially concentrated on the following areas:
    - Determination of the distribution of temperature field on the surface of the concrete structures which serves
    as the boundary conditions for temperature field (calculated by the means of mathematical models)
    - Determination of the distribution of moisture field inside the concrete structures. It is used as the constraint
    condition for moisture field determination by the means of mathematical model
    - Determination of the actual physically-mechanical characteristics
    - Determination of the different degradation effects on the concrete structure
    of the primary circuit.
    From the experimental tests of the steel and concrete samples and from the measurement in situ it is evident that
    - temperatures of the concrete structure exceed 100o C in some areas,
    1
    - the migration of moisture inside concrete demonstrates itself within the time of shut-down, which was
    found out by comparison of the moisture in the identical areas of the RC load-bearing structure,
    - amount of boron was found in concrete by physically chemical tests…..” more here

    http://www.iasmirt.org/SMiRT17/H04-3.pdf

    salt water, boron etc… what a joke! this report done in 2003! so they knew!

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    • xdrfox
      January 10, 2012 at 10:09 am

      The Concrete is doing the Yellow Cake as here !!

      …Taking a part of the concrete slag sample. Put it into the lead case (Chiyoda technol) and take it to a lab. I don’t know if it’s because they gave sea water to cool down or because it’s brackish area, if natrium (sodium salt) of sea water made a chemical reaction with calcium carbonate in the concrete to become diuranate natrium (sodium diuranate) or not, it looks yellow as yellow cake. …

      http://enenews.com/fukushima-whistleblower-container-vessel-melting-like-honeycomb-can-you-believe-its-outside-of-container-vessel-photos

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      • arclight arclight
        January 10, 2012 at 11:13 am

        if i got it right xdr i think the concrete goes pink, oddly enough!! did a post on it recently.. if anyone comes across it on their travels a repost here would be cool!

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        • arclight arclight
          January 10, 2012 at 12:24 pm

          repost

          The Effects of Fire on Structural Systems

          “All building materials except timber are likely to show significant loss of strength when heated above 250 ºC, strength that may not recover after cooling. Thus, it is useful to estimate the maxi maximum temperature attained in a fire. Molded glass objects soften or flow at 700 or 800 ºC. Metals form drops or lose their sharp edges as follows: 300 to 350 ºC for lead, 400 ºC for zinc, 650 ºC for aluminum and alloys, 950 ºC for silver, 900 to 1000 ºC for brass, 1000 ºC for bronze, 1100 ºC for copper and 1100 to 1200 ºC for cast iron. There are also the well-known color changes in concrete or mortar.
          The development of red or pink coloration in concrete or mortar containing natural sands or aggregates of appreciable iron oxide content occurs at 250 to 300 ºC and, nor normally, 300 ºC may be taken as the transition temperature. Table A-1 provides specifics…..”

          http://www.ashireporter.org/articles/articles.aspx?id=1154

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          • xdrfox
            January 10, 2012 at 1:02 pm

            arclight,
            Done much cutting/welding of all types in my life, and slag/melted metal hitting concrete, .. concrete loses, larger piece under slag pops off,.. POP’S OFF, it will denigrate it if continue to assault it with more slag, …flames/heat on or close from a cutter torch will eat away at it quickly popping and cracking !
            Good way to ruin a perfect concrete floor !

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            • arclight arclight
              January 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm

              good way to destroy a structural support too!!

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            • arclight arclight
              January 10, 2012 at 4:18 pm

              xdr i just thought that this concrete is supported by metal rods.. what would happen if they heated up enough to expand within a weakend concrete? it might mean that the whole section around these blocks might be distorting under the weight!.. how many tons loading with the top of the conrete/metal structure included?

              just how big and how many of these blocks are we talking about and are they in just one area or more?

              thats alot of weight! and these flare ups are working on the concret and metal reinforcing too! and the past use of seawater? and the boron? not liking this one bit!!

              :(

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  • James2
    January 10, 2012 at 8:42 am

    As soon as we started seeing what appeared to be SFP4 on fire and collapsing yesterday, they shut off the JNN feed.

    If that’s not enough to convince you, last night I could clearly see on the Tepcocam feed that Very high flames, almost 100 feet above the building, were coming from the area of the SFP at the other end.

    I can, without any reservation, report that #4 spent fuel pool is down and burning right now.

    The #4 fuel pool contains a total of 1535 fuel assemblies. Which is more nuclear fuel than was contained in the cores of #1, #2 and #3 combined. In other words, Fukushima is right now releasing more radiation than it has in the first 9 months of the disaster. And there is no containment on that radiation.

    Multiply all the radiaiton readings across Japan, the United States, Canada, Europe the Pacific Ocean by 2 at a minimum – probably 3 or 4.

    In addition, just a few hundred feet from the SFP4 sits the massive common spent fuel pool factility – which contains an addiitonal 6,300 fuel assemblies.

    We are in a world of hurt now folks – literally.

    Here are the documented fuel counts as of 3-11-2011.

    Number of fuel assemblies
    In the reactor
    400 unit 1
    548 unit 2
    548 unit 3
    0 unit 4
    548 unit 5
    764 unit 6

    Spent fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
    292 unit 1
    587 unit 2
    514 unit 3
    1,331 unit 4
    946 unit 5
    876 unit 6

    New fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
    100 unit 1
    28 unit 2
    52 unit 3
    204 unit 4
    48 unit 5
    64 unit 6

    Common spent fuel pool
    6375

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    • xdrfox
      January 10, 2012 at 1:26 pm

      Same ! “last night I could clearly see on the Tepcocam feed that Very high flames, almost 100 feet above the building”
      Point us too a video of this event, I want to see as many here !

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      • James2
        January 10, 2012 at 1:34 pm

        yes, it’s on the live feed, right now.

        The flames are huge. You just have to know where to look.

        Go to my post down below where I link to the latest nuckelchen video. This will show you exactly where the location of the #4 SFP is.

        Then go back to the live feed and watch it burn.

        As I said earlier – it’s not packaged up with a bow. You have to look carefully, because there are professionals actively trying to hide it from you – and they’re pretty good at it.

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        • Anthony Anthony
          January 10, 2012 at 10:29 pm

          Good God then this is the bad times starting if this is right. I have been VERY fatigued last four days now. Between possibly underground disturbances…seismic actvity…fires…. The upcoming or already increased emmissions are mentally tedious to try to appreciate.

          There’s no way this leads to a good outcome. Im starting to think it might kill us. Too much poison, pour favor!

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    • JoyB
      January 10, 2012 at 1:41 pm

      If there were ‘huge’ fires there would be smoke that could not be hidden during the day when everyone could see from far away. If the SFPs are dry, burning and/or fallen, the massive spikes in radiation could not be hidden from the many in Japan who are monitoring now and unconnected to any industry or governmental plots to pretend not so.

      That is simple fact, all this squinting at blurry camera shots (occasionally looped from past) from ten km away is distraction. “Flame” is visible bright light, not dim glow. Can be hidden by thick smoke, but tongues reveal themselves even then. Smoke is smoke, not mere shimmers in nighttime air that disappear when the sun rises. It cannot be “turned off” during daylight hours so you won’t see it.

      And if #4 SFP is ‘down’ and ‘burning’ out of control (with no smoke!) so no human can get close, we would not have videos in the past few days of many humans in rad-suits scrambling up and down ladders and across beams above #4 SFP. Not to say none of this could happen at some point, but if it were happening now and for weeks the effects would be entirely obvious all over the world. No government owns my Geiger-Muller or RM-14. They are not recording vast increases in contamination/fallout levels as MUST occur if/when that scenario comes to pass.

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      • James2
        January 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm

        Joy, I can respect your experience, but I think you are incorrect.

        The smoke has been hidden on the cams for months. They’re good at it and it’s being done.

        The SFP 4 started opening up just after the men were running on it. I think they must have been trying to get the water system back up and pumping.

        That scenario is coming to pass – right now.

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      • James2
        January 10, 2012 at 1:48 pm

        Take a look at this video from nuckelchen

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEio4loVdrc&feature=player_embedded

        The bubbling black blob is the exact location of the SFP.

        Now go to the live cam view and look at the same spot. And follow the smoke as it goes away from the burning.

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        • JoyB
          January 10, 2012 at 2:02 pm

          I have watched nuc’s videos. And “running” is better-than Keystone Kops fast-motion from compressing time lapse. The quality of the footage before or after highlighting is too poor to draw conclusions. Except for smoke and flames, which would be entirely visible. Flames at night, smoke during day. Steam is another issue, as from geysers during the summer and spreading ‘fogs’ during night – something I have seen often both living on the beach in Florida and here in the mountains.

          I do not argue that the #4 SFP may have dropped water level. Or may be boiling. Or may be crumbling. But I expect that when it does go down (and it probably will), it will be noticed quickly and obviously. Thus squinting at bad video feeds may give a pre-warning of timing, but it has not happened yet. Too many people are keeping track. Here is what a burning SFP looks like during the daytime at good distance…

          FukushimaFire

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          • James2
            January 10, 2012 at 2:08 pm

            Where is that one?

            I think if you saw an undoctored view of Fukushima, it might look much like that, right now.

            SFP3 fell a month ago, and there were massive fires, that are still openly burning.

            In the daytime view, the sky and background is faked. The ground is faked. the buildings are altered. The number 1 Tent building had its entire side burn off a few weeks ago, and it still appears intact.

            I have no idea why they would have anything live on there at this point, because so much is fake it really doesn’t matter – but the fuel pool fires in 3 and now 4 are heavily blurred, but still there.

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            • JoyB
              January 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm

              That’s the #3 SFP fire early (March 14 or so?) from USN helicopters just before they measured their contamination levels and moved the fleet far, far away (they’d come to help if they could). Then ordered military dependents to leave the country…

              I do not know that #3 SFP has any zircalloy left to “oxidize” (and cause this kind of smoke), but #4 SFP certainly does. It would be there. There are Safecast volunteers with good equipment risking their lives daily to venture into the dead zone (and all points outside plus plume paths) to measure the fallout and ground levels. Even high school kids. They take it very seriously. And while they noticed – and reported, so the press could not ignore it – the X10 Cs increases after New Year’s quake, they have not reported anything like the increases to be absolutely expected from new SFP fires/collapses. No one ‘owns’ their mouths. They would shout it from the rooftops, I promise.

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              • James2
                January 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm

                Hmm that’s a picture I haven’t seen before. Are you sure that is Fukushima Daiichi. Doesn’t look like it to me – the geography isn’t right. The Daichi reactors sit no more than 100 yards off the water and are not in the middle of a city, and that fire is Further onshore and in a city.

                I think that’s a photo of the refinery that caught on fire after the Tsunami a few miles to the south.

                However, and everyone here who has read this knows I’m going to say this:

                There was no fire in the SFP3 on March 14th at 11:01 am Japan time. The explosion was from the containment at least and probably the core.

                So that is MOX plutonium haze hanging in the air, and the folks in that helicopter are dead men walking.

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            • JoyB
              January 10, 2012 at 2:36 pm

              Hmmm… May be JDF helicopters. My remembering all the way on details is… somewhat elderly. Saved the pic as a screenshot because it so graphically demonstrated what “plumes” of radiation would look like if you could actually see them like – or just accompanied by – real smoke. Back when the shills at DKos were claiming most infuriatingly that radioactive contamination DOES NOT move in plumes. [Jerks] Spend days and days refuting their lies, the ones they’ve been telling everybody in this cuntry since TMI. Nobody else in the world ever paid any mind to all that, because the lies were always completely obvious.

              A #4 fire would be so massively smoky they couldn’t possibly hide it with fake sky – you could probably see it 50 km or more away just fine. They COULD hide it by simply replaying footage from months past, but even then the smoke would be obvious off the coast if that’s where the wind is blowing, still lots of people would see it. How would we know what real footage we’re seeing other than time stamps, and those can be messed with easier than anything else.

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          • risabee
            January 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm

            Yes, water far inland in urbanized area, I remember this as Sendai on March 11. It has shown up in many places as the #3 explosion aftermath and I once, in March, posted this fire as such (image from another angle), and was reprimanded for it and told, no, this is the oil fire. I think, from the geography that is correct. But the #3 explosion was horrific; of that we have no doubt. I would not be surprised to learn that I have inhaled plutonium from the plume.

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        • arclight arclight
          January 10, 2012 at 2:09 pm

          looks like they have erected a statue to noda for his first visit to daichi! oh no it was cancelled quitely.. after he gets everyone safe indoors, under HIS new presidential powers, hes going to make a grand entrance like he did on sunday!! (or did he?).. not much coverage on that appart from a cut and paste paragraph with little change!! no pics!! ??

          its good to see noda reaching out to the public.. what a politician!! no wonder the holmeless/highly qualified engineers /sarc needed to express their gratituse for the wisdom of noda!!

          suppose someone has to take up the place of another recently deceased leader in the asian block!! something for the papers to write about perhaps!!

          gieger back on and currently popping along at a cool 0.16 microsieverts/hr london uk! :)

          thanks IAEA!! pass the buck why dont you!! and i wouldnt touch any of your nuclear food or medicine neither!!

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  • ottawa_dave
    January 10, 2012 at 9:14 am

    I think we are watching demolition work and cleanup in the video above. We still have plenty to worry about, though.

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    • stopnp stopnp
      January 10, 2012 at 9:34 am

      Yeah. It’s hard to see on the consistently out of focus tepco camera. There is obviously something very bad going on there. Well, worse than the last 9 months anyway. I was just wondering if james2 had footage of the fuel pool on fire

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    • dosdos dosdos
      January 10, 2012 at 9:47 am

      There would not be anyone working on Unit 4, much less be present on the structure, unless the situation was dire. The radiation level is too high for any workers under normal conditions, much less this many people at once. This is an act of desperation.

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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue
    January 10, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Well, I must say the removal of JNN web cam is a tad suspicious, having said that I could see the area of flames on the JNN camera before it shut down but if it is indeed a fire it has been burning for many weeks. Thus I’m still skeptical and need more verification. I think James may be correct but I would still like to see documentation. Perhaps James has posted a video link on the Web Cam discussion.

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  • James2
    January 10, 2012 at 10:25 am

    BTW – folks seem to think the video should be clear and definitive. It’s not. They governments and lots of people working for them are trying to hide it from you.

    And there are just a few lone folks on here trying to bring you the truth. The governments can give you full-color glossy photos and videos – we can’t.

    We can only give you snippets that they failed to hide very well. And, as soon as we give them to you, they have them as well, so they close that bit of information off. I’ve been called a crazy, a nutcase, a chicken little – I don’t believe in most of the things the “crazies” do.

    But I do believe we are in serious danger – right now.

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    • Human0815
      January 10, 2012 at 11:31 am

      @ James 2,

      you are the Guy who wrote once “It is burning”,
      another Time you wrote “SFP just fall off”
      or “There is a Explosion”!

      This is not the Truth as we can see,
      also none of the Videos show something
      you reported here!

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      • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl
        January 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm

        I have to say, I don’t see anything that looks like a serious fire in the video. I do think the situation is serious, and James2′s list of what’s in the spent fuel pools are daunting.

        But every time someone on here says there is a fire,I look as hard as I can, but don’t see anything resembling an out-of-control fire. I see glowing things which don’t grow or move, so it could be a light. I also think that if there were a fire, there would at least be some effort to put it out, such as spraying water on it, etc. If they can have workers on top of the spent fuel pool, they can have fire trucks spraying water on a fire.

        Lately work got extremely busy again, so I haven’t been out much, and not keeping up on geiger counter measurements. I did test some muddy sand that came from where the water receded, but it wasn’t extremely high. I will try to get back to testing.

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        • xdrfox
          January 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm

          WCG, I can not either, hard to think the men would be walking around up there if there were flames and seeing by smoke rapid emissions of isotopes in the air ! See any smoke ??

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        • farawayfan farawayfan
          January 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm

          The fundamental flaw with the fire burning continuously argument is the complete absence of smoke during the daylight hours. That being said, I think the JNN feed is faked anyway, as I saw dawn come hours too early one day, and then checked back and it had switched to nighttime view again.

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          • James2
            January 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm

            Nope not a flaw. It’s not really “burning” in the traditional sense – there’s not much burnable material left in those buildings. Traditional burning is “rapid oxidation”.

            This is a nuclear reaction – same result – massive amounts of heat and dust rising out of the plants, but it looks slightly different.

            Also they are making a pretty good effort at covering up the smoke plumes on the cam views. They are slightly visible, but it takes a close eye to see them.

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          • Human0815
            January 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm

            @ Farawayfan,
            this happened because of the Night-Vision,
            this get brighter in the Morning than usual and when they turn it off it is getting dark again!

            Or do you speak about Hours?

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            • farawayfan farawayfan
              January 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm

              What I saw on JNN happened hours too early, wish I’d had a setup to record the stream.

              Hi James, I think a superheated blob of pure core itself might not give off smoke, but a high-temp uncontrolled nuclear reaction of that sort would have edge effects, burning concrete at the edges, and since a melted core would have a large component of other materials (cladding, etc), those would smoke as well. That being said, I do think the situation is likely very dire, and we don’t really know what is happening, as I don’t think they’d allow us to freely view it anyway.

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          • xdrfox
            January 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm

            farawayfan, Why I stopped looking at the cams as much as I had ! Lots of seen before before before before Looping too !

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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
            January 10, 2012 at 2:05 pm

            Its a chem fire…we only catch sight of the emissions under certain conditions…

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      • James2
        January 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm

        Watch this nuckelchen video – blow it up to full screen and keep an eye on the black blob in the middle of the south wall of the #4 building. That’s the spent fuel pool

        After finishing that video, then go back to the live cam view, zoom in and tell me if you can now see the fire…

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEio4loVdrc&feature=player_embedded

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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
    January 10, 2012 at 10:29 am

    The company said we are in cold shutdown.. That nuclear spent fuel pool is in a lot of trouble for going out without permission, and during curfew. Well, actually everyone was asleep, and no one saw it leave, so it did not really happen. Unless it is on the nightly news, it just did not happen, period.

    Assuming that #4 pool just collapsed and radiation is now coming out in HUGE amounts, the evidence for this should show up downwind in rising radiation readings… no matter how much the company and government cover everything up.

    It is just a couple of days of waiting.. What is the first downwind area? Where did the wind go during this time?

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  • James2
    January 10, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Are any of you able to confirm what I describe above?

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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
    January 10, 2012 at 11:05 am

    January 6, 2012 Tepco Press Conference: Transcript Excerpts; Reporter: According to the reading of environmental radioactivity levels as of Jan. 4, 2012, the amounts of cesium-134 and cesium-137 have increased by nearly 10 times from Dec. 27, 2011 to January 2, 2012. I suppose that something went wrong and that led to this increase. What do you think caused this increase?
    Tepco Spokesman Junichi Matsumoto: [...] No trouble has occurred during that period. So I suppose that the radioactive materials were blown up by something like wind and that led to that increase.

    http://enenews.com/watch-10-fold-spike-fukushima-radioactivity-discussed-tepco-press-conference-suppose-blown-wind-spokesman

    So now we are not only blaming trees, leaves, rivers, and dirt for increasing radiation, now it is all of the winds fault. NATURE is full of NATURAL radiation and the wind is just carrying it around..

    RADIATION meters do not lie. Trust them. You know who NOT to trust.

    Whatever is happening started on Jan. 6th and something got at least TEN TIMES WORSE… if not more so.

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    • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl
      January 10, 2012 at 12:29 pm

      Sorry for being so lax in my geiger counter testing…I wasn’t finding any alarming readins for a while, so I pretty much stopped testing. I will get out and do it today, though. I would like to know if the levels are up around here.

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    • Human0815
      January 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm

      AGreen Road,

      his meaning is not soooooo stupid,
      the Winter is very, very dry on the
      East Side of Japan, i do not saw Rain in the last Months but this is normal, the west Side of Japan
      have meter high Snow, but let me say it is very dry
      and we have strong Wind, that some Radiation from the ground get Airborne is logical!

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      • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
        January 10, 2012 at 3:04 pm

        I am not calling any stupid, first of all..

        Second, although I admit dust being kicked up from the ground might increase radiation levels somewhat, why has that not happened in the past, when it got windy? Why is not happening all over desert states in the US, when it gets windy? Why is not happening ANYWHERE ELSE, where it gets windy and dusty?

        I follow the logical conclusions, rather than trying to believe in something that does not exist, or make up something that leads to a false conclusion.

        Logically; a quake happened. Right after that, radiation levels went up by 10X… there was a spike.

        Yes, there is a .0001% chance this spokesperson is ‘correct’, but I highly doubt it, because they have not leveled with the public since DAY 1 and it is now many months later, and they are STILL NOT TELLING THE TRUTH of what happened.

        They cannot admit ANYTHING BLEW UP, despite clear evidence that #3 reactor blew up and possibly the spent fuel pool as well. They cannot admit that any PLUTONIUM OR URANIUM found ANYWHERE came from FUKU.

        They cannot admit that anything other than cold shutdown is happening…

        Another way to look at this; If someone is court is caught lying, not just ONCE, but OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, how much do you believe them after that? How much credibility does a person have in court, much less in real life, after they are caught changing or retracting official statements/records/measurements, avoiding measuring ANYTHING down wind to avoid blame, falsifying things, spinning, minimizing, and shifting blame to everyone but themselves?

        I do not know about anyone else, but when someone from this company speaks, I assume it is not the truth, before I go anywhere else. I look at the EVIDENCE, rather than what they say.

        The company motive may be to; shift blame, avoid legal liability and avoid giving out any radiation measurements downwind because all of that may make their industry look even worse than it already is.

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        • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
          January 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm

          The ONLY reason we are even debating ANY of this, is because there is NO RADIATION METER DOWNWIND of FUKU, or on the vent stacks, or over the spent fuel pools to tell us all what is going on REAL WORLD, as far as radiation releases. This would be REALLY EASY TO DO, but it has not happened in since this ‘accident’ happened. Why NOT?

          There has been ZERO effort to determine the TRUE amount of TOTAL RADIATION RELEASED IN ALL WAYS; groundwater, on site ‘storage’, air, ocean release, basement water, etc..

          They are NOT COUNTING any explosive releases of ANYTHING, FROM ANYTHING at FUKU.

          This is REALLY BASIC. If they cannot even go there, why would they go to telling us about what is going on around ongoing radiation releases?

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          • JoyB
            January 10, 2012 at 6:10 pm

            Why no monitoring? Should be attached to stack at or near ground level, a vacuum air sampler with changeable filters for gas and particulate. Where tech can reach it and change filters every 6 or 12 hours to get a read. Filters not being changed? Just not being reported? This sampling is standard operating procedure at NPPs, even during releases. Why they call ‘em “release stack”s. Maybe NISA/whoever doesn’t require daily monitoring at plants in Japan?

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            • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
              January 11, 2012 at 1:32 am

              My bet is that the ‘vent’ stack radiation monitors are either disconnected, or the results are kept secret. I have NEVER seen any radiation readings from any stack or from a downwind area, especially during high releases.. such as explosive events, etc.

              Do you have any suggestions on how to get these readings and make them public?

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      • arclight arclight
        January 10, 2012 at 4:03 pm

        hi human
        do you know of any testing being done of the snow in the mountains??

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  • FaraFola
    January 10, 2012 at 11:26 am

    When SFP4 goes down, it’s reason to believe, that amount of Radiation at least douples Since 311. This was worst case scenario at first, one of them, and reason to evacuate Tokyo in the early of the crisis.

    But it was matter of time, and Tepco knew it a the beginning. No man can work at near SFP4, radiation is too high, and moving those +1300 Spent fuel assemblies was doomed to fail in any cases.

    Fukushima is clearly a worst accident in history, we built up something what we can’t handle, and price for this stupidity is beyond measure. This whole planet will know rage of FUKU in years to come, it’s very sad…

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  • risabee
    January 10, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Near Eugene, Oregon 8:25 am pst 1/10/12 SOEKS 10 min. avg indoors 1 mtr ht .15 mcSv, outdoors .16 mcSv, on ground in gutter, bagged, .174 mcSv.

    Nearby Radnet either not showing much or was recalibrated downward, compare November. Based on my observations, I think this is a station they haven’t fooled with much, if at all. YMMV.

    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Corvallis-OR-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx

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  • NoNukes NoNukes
    January 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    On Dec. 5 PST, there was a flash that illuminated the entire sky on the webcam, I think it was Johnny Blade (where have you been?) who saw it, too. I crossed my fingers and hoped for lightening, but when the cam came back on, part of the reactor was missing.

    There were posts about “emergency training” and links to Tepco files that discussed “planned” demolition, but as these were posted after the fact, it just seemed like PR to me, although as (maybe it was) Heart of the Rose pointed out, they probably did clean things up as much as possible.

    James2 then drew our attention to a fire in R3. I have seen what I assume he is talking about, it looks to me just like the movement of the flickering flame of a candle, yet while a candle’s flame looks 3D, this looks almost transparent, or 2D, is the best way that I can explain it. James2 calls it fire, Tacoma calls it convection, jec calls it emissions, but I assume that it is what they are talking about. I have an untrained eye, and at first looked for a house fire. If you haven’t seen it/them and look for a traditional house fire, it will be hard to see, maybe instead try looking for the part of the reactor that moves like a flickering flame. The colors change (although often in the orange category), but you can see the movement.

    Now the cam went down again, and more parts of the reactor are missing. My money is not on “planned demolition” by Tepco as the reason for this.

    In nuckelchen’s 3rd video on the webcam thread from January 10, 2012 at 11:38 am, “The Wall,” in the midst of the darkness in the middle of R4, I can’t see the orange “flame,” but I can still see the tell-tale flickering. This would be hard to discern without seeing the more traditional orange flickering first, I would guess.

    There have been lots of examples of what looks like billowing smoke, but it does seem to just flicker endlessly, too. Posted on Webcam thread too, probably not even worth 2 cents!

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    • Ramaswami Kumar
      January 11, 2012 at 12:46 pm

      @NoNukes
      January 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm · Reply

      “On Dec. 5 PST, there was a flash that illuminated the entire sky on the webcam, I think it was Johnny Blade (where have you been?) who saw it, too. I crossed my fingers and hoped for lightening, but when the cam came back on, part of the reactor(3) was missing.”(3 in brackets I added).
      From what I have derived for 20,21 and 23 October 2011(See
      http://glaringlacuna.blogspot.com/ ),it is not all surprising what you describe to have actually happened. First on 5th December 2011 at 010112 a 5.1 MM moment magnitude earthquake shook Fukushima nuclear parks 1 and 2, the epicenter being 156 km(the same distance to the 9.0 MM Tohoku quake on March 11, 2011)from Fukushima Daichi#1 plant. And on this day there was an enormous change in India 30 dam total contents of 11591.54 million cubic meters corresponding to an equivalent earthquake underneath Fukushima Daichi # 1 of 7.4 MM!

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  • NoNukes NoNukes
    January 12, 2012 at 1:04 am

    @Ramaswami Kumar,

    Thanks for this. Your blog is fascinating.

    Did you see Nuckelchen’s videos from late October?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiv3HNxRnGI&feature=related

    After reading your post, I just went back and found them here:
    http://enenews.com/fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread/comment-page-6#comments

    nuckelchen
    October 31, 2011 at 9:55 am
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiv3HNxRnGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDPnqSzBs4
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    Tacomagroove 
October 31, 2011 at 11:58 am 
Completely explains the yellow rain that we were seeing in washington on the 25th of october. Reactor 3 blowout. Nice work my friend.
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    Bobby1 
October 31, 2011 at 12:18 pm 
The green beam was interesting. It looks like there was some kind of nuclear event in the underground corium of unit 3. The europium found in Tokyo might be new and not from the original unit 3 blast. 
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