Siemens quitting nuclear business — CEO: “A response to the clear position of the German public and government”

Published: September 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am ET
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Siemens quitting nuclear business, AP, September 18, 2011:

Siemens said Sunday it is quitting the nuclear energy business to focus on other technologies.

The German industrial conglomerate [said it] would not invest any more in developing nuclear energy.

A joint venture planned with Russian nuclear firm Rosatom will be canceled. [...]

“A response to the clear position of the German public and government” -Siemens CEO

Published: September 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am ET
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77 comments to Siemens quitting nuclear business — CEO: “A response to the clear position of the German public and government”

  • acid Lab acid Lab

    good, get the [REMOVED] out.

    [MODERATOR: Let's keep it classy, especially in the first few comments]


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Let’s see a few comments…in the general area of discussion..then the personal attacks….
    Work it…Steven


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    • Steven Steven

      Work it? Not sure what you mean Heart. I’m ecstatic at this news though, in my experience panic spreads faster than wildfire and this will definitely make other companies with nuclear industry interests think twice. The general population may not be aware (of the Fukushima crisis) but the nuclear industry is, and they must see the sand running through the hourglass.


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    • acid Lab acid Lab

      care to comment on the many millions of dollars that siemens has made over the years due to germany’s forward thinking policies encouraging the installation of photovoltaics… of which siemens is a utility-scale turnkey provider?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    shill…forget it


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    • Steven Steven

      lol ‘burn the witch’. Perhaps you are the shill, preying on innocents here and disrupting the discussion with false accusations.

      But I suspect not. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Anyway I can understand your anxiety and frustration, so no hard feelings :)

      Yeah I know you’ll probably spit it back in my face, like you have before. That’s ok, keep up the good work Heart, God bless you.


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  • WHO ELSE THINKS THE SHILLS ARE BACK IN FULL FORCE?


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    • NAME WHO YOU THINK IS A SHILL BELOW:


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      • acid Lab acid Lab

        @taco

        care to actually comment on the article in question?


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Doesn’t matter who anyone thinks is a shill or not.
        I guess.


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      • Steven Steven

        Anyone who repeatedly posts OT may as well be a shill. Anyone who repeatedly attacks other posters may as well be a shill. Anyone who repeatedly posts volumes of ‘copy and paste’ complex data or information may as well be a shill. And anyone who repeatedly accuses others of being a shill is quite possibly a shill.


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        • Bonz

          Steven

          Agrred. This is why people like myself quit commenting here, too much BS (and I could have been a help with 30 years in the businees.. and NO I”M NOT A SHILL!! Had bills to pay and mouths to feed and you do what you have to do).

          Finally to TacoMcBS, take your Google cut and paste degree and shove it where the sun don’t shine. I can assure all of you that this individual has never been within ten feet of a reactor. She sure hasn’t rode the pony on a graveyard shift when the MF decided to buck and your first thought is “Did I tell them I loved then before I left?”, andf then “Am I going home?”

          I have put off writing the above for a long time but it’s time for someone to say it. If all you can offer is fear mongoring and name calling then STFU.

          Peace to all who are actually trying to discuss thing here.

          Bonz


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          • Grace Grace

            Hi Bonz,
            I was speaking to a woman today who works with people at our local nuclear power station, she says the workers are being driven crazy with targets, too short deadlines and all manner of pressures, leading to men having violent domestic issues with their wives.
            An Industry driven by anxiety and financial short-termism.

            Certainly here the rate of childhood leukemia is very high, six in one class of 20 5yr olds, and all of the dads work at the power station.
            This is so sad – money is an issue, but it comes at a heinous price.
            Do you still work in a nuclear power station?
            Is there any way to communicate with the guys that do?


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          • VanneV anne

            If you don’t agree with anything Taco says, you should point that out on individual posts. She/he was right to warn us about China Syndrome, radiation in the atmosphere.
            Have you worked at Fukushima? Do members of your family have Leukemia? I am sorry for you mental stress. It is easier to swear at Taco than at the movers and shakers who won’t decommission the plants. It is easier to swear at me than to face the numerous people who have birth defects and cancer and heart problems due to nuclear and coal radiation.
            I am sorry for your anguish and hope you won’t shoot the messenger. Posters use cut and paste because those who have published reports and have greater knowledge have published this information on the internet to share their knowledge and expertise to make a difference in the world.
            Peace and harmony


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          • Steven Steven

            Peace back at you Bonz. Glad you made it through those ‘bucking bronco’ shifts ok. Whatever anyone else thinks, we all owe you for staying put and sorting things out. TY.

            Don’t be too hard on ‘em btw, they are outraged by the sheer scale and powerlesness of the situation. I hope you post more. Your specialist knowledge would lend much weight to your opinions. And what are they (the minority, I hope) going to do, apart from post schoolyard insults at you? :)


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Siemens has just long enough made good money with nuke technology. Now they lost a good bunch of money to Areva, who sued them over some contracts, and I guess really it’s a PR and financial decision they took.
    The public here in Ger doesn’t want the nukers around no more…

    Let’s hope others will follow (though I’m sure Areva, GE, Westinghouse will just fight to fill the gap)


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  • shaktasna999

    Ordinarily I would be flipping out, but today, because it is so,so important I have to say:

    Don’t even acknowledge the shills and trolls. Go straight to admin if they mess up.

    It’s too important now. Don’t give them any of your time.

    For some negative attention is better than no attention at all.

    At first I thought the need to distract from the important issues was a form of denial, now I see it’s a form of sociopathy.

    Any one person that acts to keep crucial knowledge from people that can help save the lives of our kids is not okay.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEADLINE OF THIS THREAD?

    *sorry


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  • acid Lab acid Lab

    @ the “shill” patrol:

    do you think siemens should emphasize its thermal concentrating solar plants (which are utility scale only) or should it emphasize its photovoltaics (which are both utility and individual in scale)?


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    • Steven Steven

      Good question acid Lab. I do believe that solar panel technology will allow us to decentralise power supply, which as with the internet has some very useful advantages. Not least of these is robustness, but either technology moves us away from the hazards of nuclear, and secondary to that, the pollution problems of fossil fuels.

      Some don’t like the idea of solar panels on rooftops, apparently from an aesthetic viewpoint. Personally, as with the wind farms, I find the look (and sound) of clean energy quite pleasing.


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      • Steven Steven

        Another thing about decentralised power, although I’m not 100% sure (perhaps an electrical graduate could confirm this)… I believe that the further you ‘transport’ power, the more power you need to use, to get it ‘down the pipe’, as it were. So decentralised should use less power, I would think.


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        • acid Lab acid Lab

          transmission losses are significantly reduced when power sources are spread across the grid. additionally, robustness of the grid is increased with decentralization and can help to eliminate cascading power outages such as the one which occurred in southern cal and arizona a few days ago.

          how it affects the shill population is another matter which i can’t presently comment on.


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      • RAH

        I own a solar install business in upstate NY. I believe personal solar is the way to stabilize the grid.
        You use what you produce before you draw from the grid and only after that will excess energy be “pushed” out to the grid.
        As for the NIMBY crowd, in my eyes there is nothing prettier than a well installed array. I find I get most of my opposition from folks that are affiliated with the GOP.
        Don’t know about other places, thats how it is here.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Well….can I answer though I’m not patrolling shills?
      i think it would be great if they would concentrate on the big stuff (utility size) and leave room for new developers for the smaller scale…
      That would save them capacities to boost their internal anti-fraud-department. They have work to do there.


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  • acid Lab acid Lab

    Siemens Wins 20MW Idaho Solar Field Project

    July 13, 2011 –

    “Siemens Industry, Inc. today announced it has received a multi-million dollar order from Interconnect Solar Development, LLC, to supply solar technology for the 20MW Murphy Flats solar field located in Idaho – the first commercial solar field to be integrated within Idaho Power Company’s (IDACORP, Inc.) service territory.”

    http://www.sea.siemens.com/us/news/industrial/pages/idahosolarfield.aspx

    things are already moving ahead since this announcement back in july as siemens is currently producing their SINVERT PVS inverters at their west chicago, il plant in support of this project.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I’m a bit torn about this. On the one hand, yes, great news that they’re abandoning the nukers – on the other hand it makes me bitter that the ones who made a fortune with nukes now get to make a fortune with renewables…

      E.on, one of Germany’s “big 4″ energy companies, has “blocked” years ago all the big surfaces in the North Sea where putting up windmills is possible. But they didn’t develop them, as it was easier to make money with nukes.
      Now, as the political mood swings, they present themselves as the green saviours who invest in wind power big time. It’s ridiculous.


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      • acid Lab acid Lab

        “Now, as the political mood swings, they present themselves as the green saviours who invest in wind power big time. It’s ridiculous.

        it’s business


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      • VanneV anne

        Yes, there is a lot that is unfair. However, if we are still alive we can work to bring change and democracy and sharing of resources.

        If we are all dead because all our water and other resources were depleted to enrich only a few, the chances are all gone forever.


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        • VanneV anne

          See in the discussion thread Sept. 11-18, page 5, how any individual can live off the grid.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Hi anne, a book maybe of inerest for you and others who like the idea of downshifting: Jim Merkel’s “Radical simplicity: small footprints on a finite earth”
            I just read it and feel hugely inspired to reduce my impact on this lovely planet.


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      • reVivre

        Dear BreadAndButter
        ‘I go with you’ +1

        But if such a ‘respectable’ company does this dangerous 180° turn it eases those who don’t dare to take this step yet. Let’s hope they’ll have a lot of ‘sheep follower’.

        A selfrealisation of having earned ‘blood-money’ can only come later. Maybe they use some of it to support ‘struggling’ green projects …

        Siemens used to be respectable firm with good intentions – so maybe some of them survived and can be reactivated.

        If mankind doesn’t turn around now when will they do it at all?


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      • stock@hawaii.rr.com

        They did alot of top quality work, lets hope they bring that to their solar projects and wind too

        When something is going your way, encourage it, don’t lash out at it.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Seimans is afraid of Stuxnet…..lol


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    • Sickputer

      Germany and Siemens is aware that a MOX runaway reactor will destroy Germany like Fukushima has done to Japan. They are smart to pursue other interests like natural gas plants.

      Germany has a strong financial platform unlike so many countries and they can see what a multi-trillion dollar disaster can do to a country.

      There is no need to have that type of nightmare self-inflicted.

      Others around the world are not quite ready to explore the no-nuke option until it is maybe too late…like Japan.

      Japan will be OK in about another million years so there’s always that terrible consolation. *;-<


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  • americancommntr

    Maybe in Germany they do not have the general news blackout on Fukushima which we do here.


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  • Bob Hardin Bob Hardin

    I’ve been expecting this for months, ever since I saw that Siemens was buying ad space on Enenews. We have Siemens CEO Peter Löscher to thank for this.


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  • dpl dpl

    Admin: could you set up a shill hangout thread for the gang banging shills so everyone who works in a NPP, wants to work in a NPP, has a grandma that works in a NPP can commiserate on how wonderful nuke technology really is.
    Big news day huh! shillheads


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  • Grace Grace

    We also have to thank the German Green party for being a serious political force.


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  • arclight arclight

    classy thread this ..
    hope they are putting those billions in to renewables ….wonder which company is next??? :)

    quick link here
    … Are nuclear power plants actually cheap while natural energy is expensive?

    “Solar, solar thermal, wind, geothermal, biomass, oceanic energy and other blessings of nature can be used for thousands of years without contaminating the Earth. These are forms of energy that coexist with nature without destroying it. I have one suggestion to make concerning a vision on recovering from the quake. It is known that land salinized by the tsunami cannot be cultivated for the next decade. How much money would it take to “recover” such farmland and create taller embankments? What future do we see there? Can the government instead take the lead in creating an “East Japan Solar Belt” as an area for producing new energy for the future?”

    http://nuclear-news.net/2011/09/19/%e2%80%a6-are-nuclear-power-plants-actually-cheap-while-natural-energy-is-expensive/#more-18502


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  • Lee Binder

    Toshiba you’re next – you’re the main company that build the Fukushima reactors. Until you don’t stop creating appliances of suffering and death, I won’t purchase anything else from you (Toshiba Laptops, Netbooks etc.)! And neither will anybody else!


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  • ali-ali-al-qomfri ali-ali-al-qomfri

    Good first step. Now we need to lobby the remaining suppliers/profiteers to eliminate this horrible method of boiling water.

    Ich liebe Deutsche gebau produkt. They are always top quality. The Germans have led the world in technology since 1930′s, like it or not. Your modern world was pretty much made in Germany, at least by German engineering.
    And so this giant company is making a huge statement. A mistake is only a mistake if it is never corrected.


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  • Siouxx Siouxx

    It is great news that Siemens is pulling out of nuclear but energy like food needs to be made more local. The issue of significant loss from plant to consumer is one of the reasons why we have so many nuke plants and so much deadly waste. There are also the health issues of high voltage overhead cables. Surely the best way forward is to press for renewables at a local level because otherwise we will allow for the creation of another monopoly albeit a greener one. Already in France, we are constantly bombarded by cold-calling for roof rental. Companies want to put solar panels on an individual’s or business’ roof but this energy all goes to a grid and a single company and the owner of the roof cannot use it. This is crazy, it would be like allowing someone to take over ones garden and then asking you to go to the supermarket for your vegetables. Arnie Gundersen spelled it out in one of his Fukushima videos – energy production needs to be small and local – otherwise once more it will be out of our hands.


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  • catweazel

    northern germany is plastered with windmills, looks quite bad on the plains. for activities of Siemens and all the big corps out there: they are hapy sucking your money on a contract basis. might be a chance for the “middle-class” (are all normal beings) to get some free resources by doing their own energy (when panels are cheaper), maybe selling surplus to water-reservoirs (for needy times). in fact one company here in germany has the strict regulation to enforce emission free energyproduction (how to say, you pay the energy you get and all the money is used solely to do more clean plants (wind water solar bio is the program actually i think). So a company not “betting at stock exchange with mountains of money” but doing the business it is thought for


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    • Lee Binder

      I always felt proud of the northern German wind turbines. They never bothered me. There is disadvantages to everything, but the main disadv. of wind turbines (noise, looks) are outweighed by the advantages.


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Lee, I feel the same. I’d rather see windmills than cooling towers…I heard an interview recently with a wind power expert. He said that with the newer geneation of turbines it’s possible to double their production. He pointed out that instead of setting up new wind parks (consuming more and more space), you could easily replace the existing poles and “propellers” with newer, more efficient ones.
        As the cabling & grid is already in place, that sounds like a good idea!


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        • BreadAndButter,
          Hydro electric dams were most effective, by placing dams behind one another on rivers the added need could be reached with minimal harm to the environment, once the back up water behind the dam is reached to add dams down from one another makes perfect sense, doubling the electric out put with each dam added to system !

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          one mile of river

          115 plants and Nuclear power supplies 20% of our needs !
          We know why they started building nuke plants to begin with, the clean/cheap electricity was the selling point to the American people, we know now that it ain’t so !


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  • catweazel

    may sound a little socialistic, the drive from my point of view is more: after centralisation brought us hotspots maybe some decentralisation is healthier for the (social-technical) environmental tissue that holds us


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  • sueec

    Closer to home for most of you but as dangerous for all of us is the NASA rover mission to mars in nov. 10lb plutonium bomb ready to explode : over us in space on mars . They don’t need to do i( solar has worked fine) and someone ( anonymous) needs to shut them down!
    If anyone has that link to the specs of the mission I would appreciate it as misplaced ATM . Thanks


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Brilliant Catweasel! You said, ” So a company not “betting at stock exchange with mountains of money” but doing the business it is thought for”

    It must be too SIMPLE for TPTB,…being brainiacs and all,….. But,….I also blame the bond holders, stock holders,…I see it just like you-GAMBLING!

    It all comes down to addiction,…in the end.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    India to postpone decision on buying EPR reactors from France
    Vaiju Naravane

    New Delhi wants post-Fukushima certification, says French Minister

    ****Several nuclear contracts around the world have been either frozen, delayed or cancelled as a result of the March 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster, the worst nuclear accident to hit the planet after the Chernobyl explosion of 1986, putting into doubt the much-vaunted “nuclear renaissance.” Germany has chosen to forgo the nuclear option altogether and in France there is talk of reducing the country’s dependence on nuclear energy to 50 per cent from the current 75 per cent, by 2025.*****

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2468399.ece


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  • Siemans is a survivor. They have been making a lot of money for a long time. They are reading the writing on the walls. Will America wake up. Please sign my petition to the President. http://signon.org/sign/increase-government-support.fb1?source=c.fb&r_by=548645


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  • midwestern midwestern

    “Germany’s Siemens delivers staggering blow to Russia’s nuclear interests”: http://www.bellona.org/articles/articles_2011/siemens_comment


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    • acid Lab acid Lab

      pretty comprehensive article.

      who knew the russian nuclear program was so ambitious from an international standpoint. hopefully siemens bugging out will wreck all their plans.


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      • VanneV anne

        I find the fact that the Russians were allowed to buy two uranium mines in Wyoming extremely scary news. They already have the most contaminated sites (PLURAL) on the planet. Having barbarians in my backyard is TOTALLY THE WORST. Of course, the US’s worst plutonium production plant is now operating in the SE corner of Idaho. No wonder Boise has such high radiation readings. Some may be from Fukushima, but the rest?


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  • kx kx

    well while Europe is not nuclear free it will be vulnerable


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  • reVivre

    the games are opened

    Nuclear sunset? in Ireland
    “It is not going to be easy to place our reliance on a mix of renewables and natural gas to generate the electricity we need, but the challenge is not insurmountable.”


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  • lokay5

    Siemens quits nuclear? WOW! Double-plus good!


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