‘Significant’ amount of radioactive seawater to hit Southern California? Expected on beaches in near future — Fukushima contamination may be ‘pervasive’ across food chain (AUDIO)

Published: January 23rd, 2014 at 8:32 am ET


Orange County Register, Jan. 17, 2014: Radioactive seawater [from] the Fukushima nuclear power plant […] is expected to hit Southern California beaches this summer […] traveling about 1-3 mph. It’s expected to continue flowing until 2016. […] [Steven Manley, professor of biology at Cal State Long Beach and head of ‘Kelp Watch’] said he expects to find concentration of cesium isotopes […] With more organism, invertebrate and fish feeding in the kelp, Manley wants to study what effects the radiation accumulation could have on them. […]

Steven Manley, professor of biology at Cal. State Long Beach & head of ‘Kelp Watch’: “As every year passes it becomes more diluted but it also becomes more widespread […] People should know the amount of radioactive material in the kelp. […] I think the amount will be small, but small doesn’t mean insignificant** […] It is imperative that we monitor this coastal forest for any radioactive contaminants that will be arriving this year in the ocean currents from Fukushima.”

**‘Not Insignificant’: “These double-negative constructions are called ‘litotes.’ They are most often used to understate an idea through the denial of the opposite, which is created by the double negative. […] The use of ‘not’ and the prefix ‘in’ creates an understatement […] ‘significant’ is both the literal and the implied meaning.”

KPCC, Jan. 21, 2014 (at 4:15 in):

Steven Manley, Professor of biology at Cal State Long Beach and head of ‘Kelp Watch’ program: I think we’re going to see low levels […] I anticipate probably low levels will be taken up into our kelp forest. This is s why we’re doing the study. We want to know if it got here and if it is going into this important natural resource, which are our kelp beds.

Host: And so the concern there would be that if it’s in the kelp beds, it’s kind of an index case, right? If it’s there then, it’s probably going to make its way into the food chain.

Manley: Absolutely. If it gets into the kelp, it’s probably pretty pervasive in all the other organisms in the community.

Full broadcast of the interview here

Published: January 23rd, 2014 at 8:32 am ET


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95 comments to ‘Significant’ amount of radioactive seawater to hit Southern California? Expected on beaches in near future — Fukushima contamination may be ‘pervasive’ across food chain (AUDIO)

  • nedlifromvermont

    mincing of words …. double negatives …. comparisons to bananas …. all of this is propaganda, civilian nuclear power program style.

    Let's call a spade a spade.

    Civilian nuclear power was a bad idea. Full stop. Unnecessary. Unsafe. Not green. A power grab by a minority of greedy business types who were pumped up on the Manhattan Project, a wartime necessity … maybe.

    General Electric should admit its guilt and work towards mitigation. But they still want the uranium fuel business.

    Cowards. Criminals. The road to ruin paved by our national champion company.

    Unscientific. Modern appreciation of Plate tectonics was in its infancy when these Boiling Water Reactors were rolled out. This theory behind modern surface geology, earthquakes and volanology wasn't even widely accepted when Congress passed the Price-Anderson liability caps, in 1957.

    So sorry Japan. Gettin' us back?

    Jeff Immelt for galley slave.

    peace …

    • Socrates

      Truer words were never spoken!

    • weeman

      Here, here well put

    • AlexfromNB

      "Radioactive seawater [from] the Fukushima…nuclear power plant is expected to hit Southern California beaches this summer… traveling about 1-3 mph. It’s expected to continue flowing until 2016." REALLY? The ocean contamination is going to continue to eternity for pracical purposes! And, it's going to continue to ACCUMULATE!

      "As every year passes it becomes more diluted but it also becomes more widespread". DILUTED? Radioactive isotopes don't "dilute" they merely become more widespread. These are nanoparticles!

      Half-truths = half lies in my book. How I hate doublespeak. Bottom line, we are in and will continue to be in trouble!

  • Sadbuttrue Sadbuttrue

    "It’s expected to continue flowing until 2016."… and then what happens, it just disappears?

    • Socrates

      Then the Strontium-90 arrives for the next 150 years. That will be in milk and fish bones.

    • norbu norbu

      Sadbuttrue, "It’s expected to continue flowing until 2016."
      N- maybe they mean the lies will continue until 2016, This mess will be here forever, + 100,000 years.

    • Daisy207

      How about all the ground water flowing over melted fuel cores for the rest of history – forever – even after we become a vacant planet in the solar system because all living things are extinct. Has anyone measured the Tritium in the ocean? All of the water coming out of Fukushima has to be over 80% tritium. That has a half life of 12 years and is a beta emitter – and behaves just like any other water molecule – gets picked up from the ocean and gets rained out all over the world.

    • AlexfromNB

      Sadly, it will just contimue to accumulate then further contaminate the food chain. I don't understand the need to throw more and more water on the coriums as the pollution just flows into the sea. We can't find or get the coriums out, so why not just cover with massive amounts of boron, cement and rocks, etc. The water from cooling is destroying the ocean!


    "If it gets into the kelp, it’s probably pretty pervasive in all the other organisms in the community." almost says it all. What's missing, is it will…

  • The list of errors in each and every article written by "experts" is not insignificant.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Seems "natural background" isn't being mentioned in this report. Maybe they learned we cant be fully filled fulla bull.

  • American Phoenix57

    Another spineless Quackademic spewing double speak. Reminds me of O'brien in Orwell's 1984.

    "You are a slow learner, Winston," said O'Brien gently.

    "How can I help it?" he blubbered. "How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."

    "Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane."

    George Orwell, Nineteen-Eighty Four (1948)

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    "The use of ‘not’ and the prefix ‘in’ creates an understatement […] ‘significant’ is both the literal and the implied meaning.”

    IOW One can't just blow it off….

  • Jebus Jebus

    Fukushima Word Results.

    Nuclear Scrabble…

    2011 – "Cold Shutdown"
    2012 – "No Imediate Harm"
    2013 – It's like a Banana"
    2014 – "Not Insignificant"
    2015 – "Fairly Small Amounts"
    2016 – "Concerned about the Minor Levels"
    2017 – "Surprised at the Average Levels"
    2018 – "Possible Significant Levels"
    2019 – "Unexpected Extreme Environmental Radiological Contamination"
    2020 – "Nuclear Olympics Cancelled"
    2021 – "Hellooo?…."

    • gordon

      I don't think that's how it's going to go.

      The whole "shut them down now" crowd, there's a lot lost in that. It's not a few guys sitting in a room somewhere that are doing this. It's a really big industry that floats capital over a significant portion of the world's financial system. The problem is figuring out how to get a response out of this entity that's more like a living system than come corporate business plan.

      I feel like what's happening is more like watching a couple biological systems interact than a straight forward political battle.

      It can't just drift into 2020 the way it is now because the financial impact of the mess is going to outweigh what's floating around in investment.

      Everything is a balance. Nature dictates that a reaction comes long before the olympics.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Nature IS currently reacting.

        The evidence is overwhelming.

        The natural balance has shifted.

        How far she will react, is the question right now.

        The multifaceted assault is endless.

        Life is along for the ride.

        It's too dynamic for man's comprehension level.

        So he treats it as a game.

        Nature is the house.

        The house always wins, eventually.

        Check please…

        • gordon

          I'm not talking about the toxicity issue; that the plant is pumping radioactive isotopes out, that's there's bioaccumulation going on and all that stuff… a school kid can figure that out.

          I'm talking about a reaction from what forces can deal with containment and the medical consequences. It's not a simple matter of the president issuing an order, a collection of CEO's doing the right thing, or the various likes. The first thing that has to happen is for a very, very big financial system to calculate that the problem is causing a loss.

          Look at all the players in this. Everything from mining to weapons, and yes weapons are a gigantic part of the problem. How much exposure to the markets does that account for? The latest news out of D.C. on weapons alone is a trillion dollars over the next thirty years.

          No one man or organized group swings resources around like that. That's the nature I'm talking about. This deeper mystery of what I consider to be poorly understood economics.

          Fact of the matter though, that plant is a threat to the planet. Now. The economic interests of everything in total, that's going to push back against the system that wants to spend a trillion dollars restocking plutonium pits.

          • Socrates


            The market mechanism to push back is in the boardrooms. Only when the shareholders have to pay money damages for financial and personal injuries is the message sent. Otherwise, the business plan makes money for the shareholders.

            When jury verdicts against these corporations makes their business plan unprofitable, they stop. Punitive damages send a message in the boardroom.

            The problem is in proving their radiation caused your cancer.

            Taxpayers will have to pay for treating these diseases and cancers. The ACT will allow insurers to make money but ratepayers will pay higher premiums.

            So long as there is profit, market forces encourage nuclear anything.

            • gordon

              I argue that what happens in board rooms, court rooms, etc… that's all worthless. Any baby boomer with more than twenty grand a year for retirement is holding GE stock. You want to start arguing about the affect of radiation with that?

              Nah. Panic from the medical community, something. Something else has to shift power in the military because they're the only hope.


                spot on analysis, gordon. You obviously get the big picture. Railing against the machine only gets one so far. You have to focus on what drives it…

                • Socrates

                  Profits drive the machine. Legal liabilities subtract from the bottom line and the profitability. Ask any corporate lawyer about SEC reporting to shareholders in every annual report. They elect the CEO.

                  If you do not thing corporations fear lawsuits, you are sadly misinformed. They don't market products to be evil; they do it for money.

                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    while I understand your logic, Socrates, you need to accept that the courts are wholly owned and controlled by the power-elite; that same elite who benefit from the nuclear technologies industry and defense sector. Using examples about high-finance litigation only enforces the point; Bernie Maddoff being the most perfect example of giants stepping on their own toes.

                    And even if we were to see Fukushima-related litigation, other than getting us to think progress is being made on behalf of the environment/people, they'll only use tried-and-true techniques to avoid justice; much as we saw with decades of back-and-forth litigation against the tobacco companies. Another supporting example that comes to mind, was with the justice department's waiving of penalties against a large banking institution, who'd been caught on numerous occasions laundering money for drug cartels. In this instance, when the evidence exposed incontrovertible complicity on the part of the bank's management and the cartels, the lead prosecutor simply stepped in and stated that prosecuting the bank's directors would cause economic hardship on the shareholders and customer base.

                    So again, until you have a credible justice system in place, attempting change through such venues is equivalent to fighting windmills on horseback…

                    • SadieDog

                      Paragraph 5(b) similarly excludes damage caused by a nuclear incident directly due to a grave natural disaster of an exceptional character unless the law of the Installation State provides to the contrary,
                      1From the Covention on supplemental compensation for nuclear damage

                    • SadieDog

                      Not sure if Japan is part of this…

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      which, SadieDog, for all intent and purpose is my point. All of us are screwed (including those who got us here) because there is no practical means to redress these abuses. And as it would happen, this is precisely why and how we got here. On all fronts (intellectually, morally and spiritually), humans have shown they're prone to insular thinking (for those limited in their heuristic abilities, think of it as greed) and as such, no longer credible explorers of reality…

                    • SadieDog

                      @ aftershock – "no longer credible explorers of reality" . So true. Too many seek power instead of truth.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      as one accrues to power, SadieDog, one develops an enhanced sense of the horrors that prey upon the weakest of the species. Without moments hesitation, they scramble to find means to defend themselves…from their own kind…

              • Socrates


                The heavy investors in the boardroom are not twenty year olds…. Where did you get that idea?

                Unless you have battled auto manufacturers, asbestos, drug companies, tobacco and oil in the courtroom, and know about how legal liabilities affect the corporate bottom line for shareholder profits, then you fail to grasp that issue.

                Again, why is legal liability to corporations about twenty years olds? It's the old guys and institutional investors.

              • or-well

                re: the military, and hopefully not interpreted as taking a side…
                "Would there be Kings
                without the Kings' Men
                ensuring obedience
                from citizens?

                Would there be Oppressors
                minus those on a mission
                to enact oppression
                and enforce decisions?

                Would there be Tyrants
                and tyranny
                without terror-enforcers,
                armed and fear-worthy?

                Would there be Rulers,
                truth-denying foolers,
                without knuckle-drag thugs
                and sycophant droolers?

                Falsely-named "Leaders"
                need more than who follows;
                they need willing "muscle"
                and Police powers,
                they need servants willing
                to give folks a "chilling",
                they need those that protect
                them from the gallows!

                I believe military personnel have a role to play in ending the cult of Nukism.

              • flatsville

                >>>I argue that what happens in board rooms, court rooms, etc… that's all worthless…<<<

                Well a decision got made in a state legislature, a PSC and then a boardroom which killed a nuke plant and gave birth to a wind farm.

                Perhaps you're unaware Iowa recently told Unkie Warren (twice) to stuff his SMR up his ass. Since Unkie Warren likeS to use other people's money to fund his income producing assets, he announced he would build a wind farm instead…just before the Wind PTC expired.

              • nedlifromvermont

                look more closely, Gordon … there are not so many baby-boomers with 20K in GE stock … and even if there were … why hang onto the 20K when that bad apple is spoiling your other 500K … and possibly killing you and mutating your grand kids to boot …

                In case you haven't been looking … GE stock has been flat since the great reset from mid 30's to low 20's … and basically missed the great recovery …

                there is a finance overhang so it acts like a big bank … and then there is the radioactive overhang which paints this company as anti-life and callous big business … so it's like a Johns-Manville waiting to happen … and the glory days of market value parity with Exxon are history … and high tech fads like Apple have bypassed this industrial behemoth … and newbies like Facebook and Google toy with valuations in the twenty to fifty per cent of one time market driver GE …

                we can stand to bring GE to zero … before it brings life on Earth to an end …

                who knows … maybe Jeffy Immelt is not above a "Road to Damascus" moment …

                peace, newsers! spew your truths!!!!

            • AlexfromNB

              Ultimately, should SFP #4 go critical then the whole problem is academic. Japan, Inc. would instantly go off line thereby causing a worldwide financial collapse and panic. It would make 1929 look like a picnic in comparision as today everything is so much more interdependent than ever before. Forget courts, forget governments. Once the fiat money system fraud is exposed in the form of unsustainable debts, unfunded liabilities, and toss in derivate exposure for good meausure, economics will account for this horrific mess one way or the other and when it does…Your guess is as good as mine.

          • Jebus Jebus

            lol, Nature doesn't give a rat's ass about Man's economics.

            Nature only considers the ecosystem.

            Man's economics game, is all in, all on the table, on the beach.

            Man thinks he's flush. He has been called.

            Nature is reaching for the lever.

            It's just a matter of how long he swirls around in circles.

            She will use a plunger, if she has to…

            • Socrates

              Ha! The good 'olé fixed free market ideas!

              If these were huge jury verdicts against those responsible, there would be a flight from nuclear energy as an investment. Proving causation from lower dose is hard to do in a court of law. Eventually, the epidemiology will show higher rates of cancers and mutations.

              Meanwhile, kaching, kaching! The profits are huge. Think bankster fraud on Wall Street.

              Nuclear energy without effective civil liability is like Catholicism without Hell..Sin all you want because it feels so good and you.can go to the bank with your profits!

              Ever wonder why nuclear insurance is expensive? No problem. Taxpayers subsidize that to."encourage" nuclear. Instead of not reinforcing dangerous nuclear, we encourage it, we underwrite it, we protect it, we distort the science…

              The nucleocrats are six decades ahead of consumers in.these legalities. Like Wall Street, they are virtually immune from civil and criminal prosecution. Therefore, the market don't mean a thing and neither does nature.

            • gordon

              Nature most certainly does care about the economic situation. Where money goes and why, that system has a direct influence on the condition of living things. After all, it was favorable economic conditions that built the network of plants in the first place, was it not? Bad conditions can crush them just the same.

              I can tell you this: people waving signs around and calling their representatives, that's not going to do shit. No political process of any form will so much as scratch the surface of this disaster.

              • Socrates

                No economy can exist if it destroys the ecosystem upon which we exist symbiotically. I absolutely agree with that.

                The corporations use or and lobbying to get limited legal liability such as Price Anderson Act of 1957. Without that limit on liability, the nuclear industry could never have obtained insurance coverage. Without government subsidies and the weapons industry, there would never have been naked apes boiling water with fission.

                I would go back to wind and solar a d organic farming. You can't fool Mother nature. But whether through lawsuits, or voting green, getting off the grid or a revolution in thinking, nuclear is entrenched in the halls of Congress and in the executive due to campaign contributions.

              • flatsville

                All that sign waving and calling of reps is generally accompanied by court action which gums up the works, slows the process to a crawl and eventually makes it too expensive to continue.

                Two and a half years in court on just one issue is not unusual…Multiple issues can drag it on for up to a decade. At some point power generation companies decide there's a better use for their capital.

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              Jebus…well said. 🙂

        • nedlifromvermont

          nicely, Jebus …

  • Nick

    Fukushima IS pervasive across the food chain.

    Fukushima is also delivering it's wayward atoms throughout the earth's biosphere.

    Not a good thought.

    When you order coffee today ask the clerk for a bean that has the least amount of Fukushima fallout in it.

    When you order a keg of beer, ask the distributor for a source of origin for the hops.

    When you eat anything, did you run a geiger counter over it before hand?

    How about your water?

    Did you check your car-air-filter lately?

    How about your HVAC's filter?

    My point is, Fukushima is everywhere.

    That is our new reality.

    • Socrates

      Correct. Their radiation is incorporated into every living cell of all life on the planet. It is only a question of how concentrated it will be in what organ of the body, and the effect on the cell and cell processes.

      Look at Carbon-14. Tritium, Cs-134/137, Strontium-90. Ubiquitous.

      Time to collect discarded baby teeth and measure Strontium-90 in milk. These efforts must be privately – funded because governments will just raise "safe" limits. In "emergencies" governments can raise limits much more. Thus, no need to "waste" tax dollars doing unnecessary testing. Besides, only enemy radiation is bad for you. Our allies produce good radiation.

      • weeman

        We need a comprehensive study on baby teeth, past, present and future, I don't know a better way to gauge the rise in isotopes as in the teeth.
        Please keep baby teeth and if not analyzed now, your children may in the future, can't hurt to at least store for future reference, instead of in garbage, be proactive about this, put it with the umbilical cord.?
        What is the cost of analyzing teeth, anybody know.

  • Papa bear

    San Clemente Ca. Its here i can see it in the brillant sunsets i can feel it in the mist. And its been over a month of calm winds stagnent air. Chem trails everyday. Often times creating an oppressive cloud cover. They know its here. All their lies confirm it. That is our reality. Be of good courage!

  • isogoodhumans

    The government will be the last to do anything, and all this testing costs a fortune. Just the Strontium 90 test on 1 liter of milk is $500.

    It is financially impossible for the US to test every item of food for all 250 radioactive isotopes rel;eased by Fukushima.

    So, on an individual basis, we self-decontaminate, we aim to survive and we work for a better world.

    After Chernobyl, the Europeans' preferred radiation detox wasnt zeolite, bentonmite, French clay or chelation. It was Vitapect.

    To paraphrase McDonald:

    'millions served'

    • gordon

      Drive two hours from the Chernobyl plant to Kiev and they're throwing gasoline around, firing rubber bullets at each other, arguing about pensions and bullshit like that.

      The plant at Chernobyl is being managed by a consortium where the majority of finances comes from the United States.

      The Europeans never got their shit together with anything.

      • nedlifromvermont

        I think you're wrong on that score, Gordon … the sarcophagus #2 is EU funded … primarily by Germany … the ones who decided, correctly, if belatedly, to exit from nuclear … but they who will be hard pressed by a meltdown in neighboring France …

        … if it was somehow, necessary, to undergo these existential risks … to survive … nuclear power might somehow make sense … but the whole kaboodle is completely unnecessary … and should, therefore, have never been allowed, much less given the inordinate protections of Price-Anderson "low, low!!!" liability limits …

        heuristics aside, a greedy power grab …

      • Homolumina Homolumina

        Hey hey hey – hear who is talking – I am European and I feel offended ! Whern sitting in a glasshouse it is not a good idea to throw pebbles…

    • Daisy207

      Wait a minute on the cost – if the government owns the lab, has already purchased the equipment, and the personnel are on salary – why does it cost anything – the cost has already been taken care of. Yes, if you send it out to a private company – that's different. NRC should have operational labs to do this testing.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    As proven by sea creature die offs.

  • razzz razzz

    Defining the nuclear industry as a 'socialist agenda' covers everything. There is no benefit to the little people but they pay for everything about it. Also, precludes the free markets. IOW, profits to the State (corporations), negatives to the little people. Brought to you by Congress.

    Another post had comments about lack of political leaders input on Fukushima but local levels were becoming active i.e. school boards, local agencies doing (forced to respond) testing, etc. That is how change begins, starting from grassroots on up until the bigwigs can't ignore it any longer.

    As far as background radiation goes, Daiichi's melted cores are eroding away near and far and have to be accounted for, be it small or large quantities. They raised the air count on the West Coast, when do they set new levels for radiation found in the Pacific? Looks like it will have to be a running total (updated regularly) until the radioactive flow stops or slows.

    • gordon

      I disagree with local agencies having anything positive to offer. No offense, but the PTA isn't going to influence a four star general, and it's the four star general that is so badly needed now.

      I'm thinking about what's going on with the DOE, the US Navy, the CDC, the US Army's medical research facilities spread out through the Regional Center Of Excellence Network, not to mention the Airforce, NRO, and anyone else with remote sensing equipment in orbit.

      And the NRC. Just because Jaczko got knocked out and replaced by that nitwit geology puppet doesn't mean he is gone forever and he did a good job, was going the right way.

      I take all that and then everything else available. The local water board in Berkley can stick to talking about sodium fluoride.

      • razzz razzz

        Well don't expect change for the better from the top down. It will take pressure from the little people to effect change at the top. Boycotting products is a good start.

        Fluoride in public drinking water is the same type con as nuclear power. A conman has to show up and sell the product as good for you. The conman doesn't ply his trade until he has Congress in his back-pocket to avoid 'unforeseen' liabilities. With nuclear power, you have less control for now.

        Adding fluoride to municipal water supplies requires a vote of local public agencies for approval on a case by case basis. The well informed send the salesman packing. Even with approval, many water districts will cancel fluoridation after seeing long term results do not fulfill expectations, happens a lot. Who wants to pay to wash their car with fluoride water? If you want to drink fluoride water, buy some in a bottle with it added in. Or left to choose, don't buy any and watch the market for fluoride water dry up. Fluoride (an industrial waste product leftover from processing aluminum) is toxic but is added to bottles of purified water for babies to ingest (read the label).

        • gordon

          Yeah, local boards vote to start or stop NaFl from going into local drinking water supplies. That's my point; the boards don't vote to stop cesium deposition in the same water. It just is.

          The magnitude of the disaster, the solution has to come from the top because we need their hardware. Even the man in command of the Ronald Reagan didn't have the power to lock down his ship when he knew, he absolutely must have known that he was navigating through a plume of fallout.

          He wasn't able to pull the trigger on all the NBC controls that aircraft carrier has in it's equipment inventory because he couldn't get his head around the consequences. He has giants above him and the emotional implications of pulling that trigger, he couldn't get his head around it.

          This is the sort of thing that would not happen if the guys at the top directed things happening down below issues commands appropriate to the situation. Nobody would be scared and all of the underlings would do their job.

          What do the underlings have now? They're all sick seeing civilian doctors that do not know what to do, nor do they have the resources if they did know what to do. If the guy running the Navy was in, that bullshit would not be happening.

          • gordon

            Furthermore, I expect more change from the top than I do from any shitty little system in today's corporate rabbit warrens.

            Again with the Reagan people and all the physical problems they have… what do they get to deal with their own mortal situations? A lawsuit against TEPCO? If you were poisoned with internal exposure blasting you from the inside out, is that what you would want, or would you want the staff trained in health/physics still out there on board the aircraft carrier, at Walter Reed, etc.

            I think talking about taking this mess on from the top is the most efficient path, especially if you're one of the people that has unstable atoms incorporated in your tissues blowing up from time to time.

            • razzz razzz

              It will take an act of Congress to investigate the USS RR and that process has been set in motion. I doubt Congress would have acted except for a lawsuit filed by sailors looking for healthcare instead of being ignored thru no fault of their own. Have to wait for how Congress handles it. I don't think private lawyers are going to help much in this situation.

              On another note, if municipal sewage treatment plants here were tested for fallout, that would tell a lot about what the populations have ingested and been exposed to. There use to be regular reports from Japanese sewage plants but I haven't seen any for a couple years now. Then, there were elevated levels of iodine, C's, strontium, you name it.

    • Daisy207

      What socialist agenda when all the people are dead. Remember the Black Death ended feudalism – there was no one left to feudal with.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    I found a scientific study that I posted here months ago explaining the ocean current, depth of ocean trenches, etc. and how Orange and San Diego County California will receive the highest amount of radiation from Japan. The scientists stated kelp beds in Corona Del Mar tested positive for cesium from Fukushima last year.

    When the naysayers argue it is impossible to have much impact on North America and the world, because Japan is so far away, the fact is nuclear particles are much lighter than water and travel long distances.

    Is any scientist testing what is going on in Hawaii?

  • American Phoenix57

    Is Mike Rivero of "What Really Happened" awake?


  • harengus_acidophilus

    Newspeak at work

    "It’s expected to continue flowing until 2016."
    Oh, really? "until 2016"->subconsciously: a limited time

    "it becomes more diluted but it also becomes more widespread"
    ->you don't get radiation poisoning, just cancer

    "It is imperative that we monitor this coastal forest"
    ->do you live in a city or a forest?


    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      harengus.. 🙂 great dialogue… makes me think South Park should do a Fukushima episode.

      • Yeahbut… I DO live in a forest! Fortunately, it's not an underwater forest.

        • harengus_acidophilus

          In a forest? Take a look at my avatar

          It's called "cauliflower mushroom" (sparassis crispa), grows on the roots of pines. Very delicious AND contains beta-glucanes which prevents lung cancer from spreading. If you find one, cut just 2/3 of it, it will grow again. And remember the tree in next year.


      • harengus_acidophilus

        It's simple

        If you have had read "1984", "Animal Farm", "Brave New World" , "Brazil" and the "Illuminatus triology" and (suggestions?) … you don't take their psychobabble as lies, you will understand it as a confession!

        To get rid of the SYMPTOM nuclear, you MUST remove the cause of this illness. This also requires a personal sacrifice for/from everyone. We can't play "same procedeure as every year, James" but w/o nuclear. We have to dig a lot deeper.



  • Nick

    If you haven't already realized it, Fukushima will continue to dazzle the coast of California forever.

    No spin can counter that truth.

    Also, it's time to stop calling for the dismantling of the nuclear cabal. They have already poisoned the well beyond repair.

    No, now it is time to let your loved ones know.

    Heads up all, a time of great sorrow is upon us. Get ready.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Thought provoking comments today. Many thanks to all.

    Seems as though man is the only creature able to blow smoke up its own a$$ and be disappointed with the results.

    The problem needs to be contained. At any cost.

    Mans will and ability are being tested. This industry is showing its true colors. Fail.

  • Gelt

    I truly believe the West coast food chain, in its entirety, will become contaminated to a greater and greater degree as time goes on. And I mean EVERYTHING from Alaska on down through Mexico And the cumulative effects cannot be negated. As to the rest of the food chain, it will just take a bit longer, but eventually…

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Gelt…I agree with you…Chernobyl proved not only humans/animals etc. suffered mutations from rads, but plant life was also susceptible to chromosomal damage. Once plants are mutated they will spread mutations just like the GMO crops spread to non-gmo crops.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Democracy is one of those good words, concepts. Like freedom. No government has ever existed that was essentially NOT dependent on the cooperation of the people to subsist. Even the worse tyranny must have the support of the people. A few people can not hold a country. Presently the majority, remember Democracy, presently the majority are going along with nuclear power and a silence regarding Fukushima. That is a fact. A majority went along with attacking Iraq over nothing. But a majority stopped the "humanitarian" attack on Syria. Tired of pointless wars. No, it is not a cabal of wicked people who are doing this on their own. The people, the people who have chosen ignorance over knowledge, support the nuclear industry. A terrible fact, but a fact. Remember, without the support of the people, it would all stop tomorrow morning. It would have to. The people can stop the human world now. But also remember the people live with their desires.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      True Capt Nemo…well said. I believe those who refuse to speak up feel safe in their "dogma snuggies" (Kevin Blanch, 2014), when really safety is really an illusion that has culminated into the mess we are in …we believed the lies of Nuclear Energy being "safe" and now that we know the truth it is time we discard our "snuggies" and demand an end to all nukes, tyranny, bankster fraud, federal reserve, NSA spying etc…

  • 4Yahshua

    1~25~5995 (out of 6000)Sabbath in this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"!

    We ALL are being HIT with radiation since March, 2011. It is killing nature's bounty in one way or another. Our small pomegranate tree seedling "bit the dust" a short time ago. I thought are cooler weather killed it. However, not long after noticing its demise, I drove by a couple of mature pomegranate trees. They were both deader than a door nail with shriveled dead fruit on their branches. Somehow that picture is staying in my mind.
    Now I know WHY Bush Senior of this 32 year White House New World Order under The Vatican's Christian cross (Revelation 13:18) has purchased a zillion acres in Paraguay, South America! It may be wise to take a 12.5 mg. capsule of iodine daily. (Swanson Vitamins)
    Yahshua returns VERY SOON! HalleluYah! SURVIVAL BLESSINGS!