Published: October 10th, 2011 at 11:55 am ET
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SOURCE: iwakamiyasumi2
SOURCE: Breaking News: Tokyo on the edge, Fukushima Diary, October 10, 2011
Strontium 90 was measured in Yokohama, Kouhokuku. (5 mins by car from my apartment.)
In the simplest put, it’s over.
The amount was 195 Bq/kg.
Detected by a university staff teaching engineering, so the measurement is trustworthy.
It has nothing to do with the historical world-wide nuclear test, because it was measured on the roof of and [sic] apartment, which was built only 5 years ago. [...]
The location was randomly chosen. The person who randomly found it is very upset and confused. [...]
See also:
- Mag: Strontium-90 found 245 km from meltdowns in Yokohama City — 150 times background… DEVELOPING
- UPDATE: Strontium-90 at 195 Bq/kg found 30 km south of Tokyo
“Sr-89 and Sr-90—are among the most dangerous products of nuclear fission to human and animal health. Both are ‘bone-seekers,’ chemically similar to calcium, that collect in bone and marrow, where they are known to cause cancer. They are particularly dangerous to the growing bones of fetuses and children.” -Forbes
Recorded live on October 10, 2011 2:28 AM ET, iwakamiyasumi2, October 10, at 2011
Hear the apparently shocked/astonished show host at 37:30, 38:10, 39:45, 43:00
Published: October 10th, 2011 at 11:55 am ET
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My mind is still having difficulties accepting these numbers as facts. Denial mode, I guess, caused by a too large number of too shocking news.
Does anybody know if those readings have confirmed by anybody else? Or are we talking about ONE source of information in the multi million city of Yokohama?
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hi b and b been giving your question some thought…testing for strontonium is quite a labourous buisness in soil…if it is rare it would be unlikely to be found… heres a link that might help clarify the point
“……As they do not emit a penetrating gamma radiation field, you cannot find hotspots of these as easy like at gamma emitters as Cesium. Neither transportable counters, handheld or airborne, nor gamma cameras can be used to find these hotspots.
As the experience of Russia shows, it is common that a sample appears to be “clean” and a sample taken ten meters away can be found to be heavily contaminated.
So, as another commenter mentioned, it would be crucial to know the exact sampling locations, their characteristics (what was the samples, how and where were they taken?) and the criteria for exactly picking those few locations.
The consequence is that for strontium, the main hotspots could only be found by a very dense sampling raster, many samples per square kilometer.”
As they do not emit a penetrating gamma radiation field, you cannot find hotspots of these as easy like at gamma emitters as Cesium. Neither transportable counters, handheld or airborne, nor gamma cameras can be used to find these hotspots.
As the experience of Russia shows, it is common that a sample appears to be “clean” and a sample taken ten meters away can be found to be heavily contaminated.”………..cont
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So, as another commenter mentioned, it would be crucial to know the exact sampling locations, their characteristics (what was the samples, how and where were they taken?) and the criteria for exactly picking those few locations.
The consequence is that for strontium, the main hotspots could only be found by a very dense sampling raster, many samples per square kilometer.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/09/ministry-of-education-maps-of-plutonium.html
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I agree. It’s very hard to accept and I often find myself wondering if we’re all over-reacting and whether we’ll all be saying the same things in ten years time. We’re surely not and in my naivety I’m still waiting for it to hit the MSM. Every day I wonder whether today will be the day. I’m waiting for the day when I can discuss it with my friends and colleagues….it’ll be such a relief to know that I’m not insane.
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Well, you’re not crazy…at least about this
But don’t hold your breath on the MSM. That simply is not going to happen. In fact, I think most of the people here probably ended up here when the MSM went into total blackout. If they had continued providing some coverage, any coverage, a lot of people might not have gone looking, even if it was misinformation.
So, you’re not insane, but don’t expect any relief of that notion from the MSM ;-/
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faraway I came here for the very reasons you said. I don’t post much but I check everyday to see what if anything is new. If the MSM did its job, there wouldn’t be any need for this site. I feel very helpless, there’s not much one can do, yet everyday the radiation is worse. People act as if I’m crazy if I try to mention radiation. Of course cell phones will be coming with a radiation warning.
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GE owns NBC. Westinghouse owns CBS. Mr. Rupert Murdock owns the rest….MSM will never do their ‘job’. Contrary to popular belief, the mainstream media has been bought and sold.
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Even worse, the U.S. government is bought and sold! Occupy Wall Street is a great movement, but Occupy Washington D.C. should also be included.
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The word I created out of my bu.. is Corpocracy. Our “democracy”..you know run for the people by the people is no longer even slightly believable. We have, with the help of cable television, created a Corpocracy.. run for the corporation, by the corporation. Deregulation of the media was the biggest game changer for industry that pollutes our earth and kills us. Now, the general populace thinks that “environmentalists” is a bad word… that regulation will take their job… then the supreme court gave the corporation all that special status… and here we have it. The species is being damaged, possibly beyond repair, and the “media” in this country won’t report it. No Nuke Power.. Species dies due to need to boil water. …what an epitaph.
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Plutocorporatocracy…my favorite these days.
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Rosie said, “….it’ll be such a relief to know that I’m not insane.”
LOL Yeah, I’ve been there! But I’m convinced we’re not insane to be very concerned. The more my kids and I have researched and worked on our “nuclear education,” the more convinced I’ve become that we’re facing an unprecedented level of radioactive substances in our environment.
Will this be the end of the world? I doubt it, and I pray that it isn’t. But will this end the world as we know it? That seems to me to be the more realistic fear between the two, especially for folks in Japan.
That life experience they’re sharing is all but impossible for me to wrap my head around – especially as a mom! Hard enough being thousands of miles away and worrying about how this might affect my kids. But to call Fukushima “home?” Mind blowing to consider!
Please sign: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/end-use-nuclear-energy-united-states/H0Pd79B1?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
Thank you!
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Wow 40 signatures….I guess most people detest the thought of setting up an account at .gov in order to vote.
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I’m still worried about the whitehouse.gov but I did it anyways! Would like to see grandchildren.
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Thanks a bunch, xstatic! I’m with you on that one, but my oldest is only 16, so not TOO soon!
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“Legalize and regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol” has more than 54,000 signatures, so I really don’t think that’s the problem.
As I keep saying, if there’s disagreement about the wording, please … PLEASE folks — create a better one! Just find some more agreeable way to force a statement from the White House on this issue! Please don’t let this opportunity slip by!
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Actually if you conservatively say 5% of the population of USA smokes pot, that is still over a million people. Sure there are way more pot smokers then anti nuclear people.
With a population of over 314 million doubt only 54 thousand want pot legalized.
People are scared of the government and want an uncomplicated life. I won’t reveal myself to any Gov entity. Not many would.
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I think you are correct, and especially in light of the fact that Hitllary Clinton, in April, had already signed an agreement with Japan to DOWNPLAY radiation readings and concerns from Fukushima. So ALREADY OFFICIALLY, our government’s stance is BETRAYAL OF WE THE PEOPLE.
Add that to the fact that the present “ruling class” in Washington are Bilderbergs/Illuminati/Skulls and official subscribers of the New World Order and AGENDA 21. We are already included in their forced DE-population plan for the 21st century (kill off 90% of the existing world population).
The only means to get responsible government (thus citizen responsive and NOT Soros responsive) is to VOTE OUT the scum IN BOTH PARTIES from Nationally all the way to Local yokels in politics who drink the NWO Kool Aid.
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The planet probably is overpopulated by a factor of ten, if you accept the IPCC’s figures of the planet only being able to cope with 7 GT/yr of CO2e blasted into the atmosphere.
Do the math: 7 billion people, 7 billion tonnes/yr of CO2, so that is one miserly tonne per person per year. So the NWO types have decided their lower limit for having a vaguely tolerable lifestyle is ten tonnes CO2 per person: the only “reaonable” conclusion is that the other 90% of human beings must be eliminated. Birth control might be a bit more sane than wars and slow death by nuclear poisoning.
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Good points. They don’t give a rat’s a** about anybody’s welfare, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
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Starting with the coming elections, I’m voting out all of the genocidal scum!
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Not so easy to sign petition took me two days, and much hassle. maybe, we should let the Mari people understand that all outdoor crops of Mary jane are radioactive too, then they will sign ..and Terranigma1…who will we vote for?
I have written to my representatives and the Dem national party… all still saying we need Nuke energy. Where are our leaders? Where is the courage to stand up to the War born nuclear power industry? I met the head Dem in our area the other day(Spokane, WA)… he had no idea that we were being bombarded by radiation every day..asked where i got my news, told him to come to enenews.com to start.
The babies are coming..sadly.. maybe that will change something.. If anyone needs a preview.. http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/45993-depleted-uranium-babies-in-fallujah-iraq
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That petition is only for US citizens, so I’m ineligible (Aussie). Would love to help, but frankly glad to be living in Southern Hemisphere for the forseeable future.
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Seems like up to now we are all under-reacting, or more would have been done to protect the people of Japan, Canada, USA, and the islands between the continents etc.
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@ rosie I am not qualified to make a judgement on your mental state, however you don’t sound insane. What is it that you are afraid to say to people that they would think you were? About radiation? Fukushima? I’m am curious. Also I think your comment “wondering if we are all overreacting” is one of the sanest things I’ve heard today.
Sincerely IK
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IK
Well according to my friends I’m a bit intense but that’s because I’m curious about the world and, unlike the majority of the population, I googled Fukushima when it disappeared off the airwaves and arrived here. If I mention it I’m usually laughed at hence my ongoing obsession with seeing it in the MSM. I will then be able to say I told you so..as it is, I check this site everyday and wonder whether I should be…it’s not doing great things for my mental state, I’m not a nuclear physicist so have no understanding of what’s really going on and I wonder if we’re all going to be here in ten years time and still debating why Tokyo haven’t evacuated. There’s something that just isn’t adding up. The English papers are reporting on the progress that is being made and encouraging tourism so I suppose I’m confused. The daily updates can sometimes veer towards sensationalism but if it’s really that bad then they’re doing a good thing. So, I’m totally confused.
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@ rosie. If you would like a better understanding of things going on I would suggest the web site below. It has a different view point but has much information. Sincerely IK
hiroshimasyndrome.com
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thanks ik for the link… was going to do a hit piece on the site…but then found this….looks like someones going for a free round trip to japan..??
“Britain’s chief scientific adviser, John Beddington, has publicly criticized Japan’s decision to turn away from nuclear energy, calling it a very dangerous move.”
“Beddington also said the danger posed by Fukushima was “quite moderate””
“Oxford University Physicist (and friend) Wade Allison spoke about Japan’s radiation standards at Tokyo’s Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan, this past Monday. Dr. Allison stunned the gathering by saying Japan’s radioactivity limits are far too restrictive and ought to be relaxed by at least 250%.
The Physicist also states the evacuated areas around Fukushima are far greater in size than need be, and the psychological damage caused by making people unnecessarily leave their homes is far worse than any biological damage which would have been caused by staying. Allison uses CT and PET scan data on human health effects to support his position.”
weve already done a hit piece on the boys arguments and motives so here the link to more links
http://enenews.com/oxford-physicist-increase-radiation-limits-100000-percent-radiation-safety-expense-mental-health-community-wellbeing-unjustifiable
thanks for bringing the pro nuke site to our attention ik
tsung tsu…….know your enemy!!
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Rosie… just for starters.. not crazy, at least not alone and crazy..lol!
The reason you and your friends are not informed via normal channels is the “Corpocracy” which controls the media, now our propaganda machine. For example: GE Media
NBCUniversal (49% ownership, remaining owned by Comcast)
NBC – National Broadcasting Company
NBC Network Television stations
WNBC 4 – New York
KNBC 4 – Los Angeles
WMAQ 5 – Chicago
WCAU 10 – Philadelphia
KNTV 11 – San Jose/San Francisco
KXAS 5 – Dallas/Fort Worth²
WRC 4 – Washington
WTVJ 6 – Miami
KNSD 39 (cable 7) – San Diego²
WVIT 30 – Hartford
NBC Entertainment
NBC News
NBC Sports
NBC Studios
NBCUniversal Sports & Olympics
NBCUniversal Television Group
Universal Media Studios
NBC Universal Television Distribution
NBC Universal International Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Digital Media
NBC Universal Cable
A&E Television Networks (co-owned with The Hearst Corporation and Disney/ABC):
A&E
The Biography Channel
Crime & Investigation Network
The History Channel
The History Channel en Español
History Channel International
Lifetime
Military History Channel
Bravo
Chiller (horror-themed cable channel, launched March 1, 2007) [1]
CNBC
CNBC World
MSNBC (co-owned with Microsoft)
NBC WeatherPlus
mun2
SyFy
ShopNBC
Sleuth
USA Network
Universal HD
The Weather Channel
WeatherPlus
NBCUniversal Global Networks
NBCUniversal Global Networks
LAPTV (Latin America) – co-owned with Paramount Pictures…
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..also notice partnership with comcast.. the information deliverer… brilliant really, although diabolical.
Then duplicate the corporate connection throughout the media.
We used to have a regulation against this… now we can see why. Same groups that has almost managed to get rid of pbs..
If you don’t like what the news says about your industry..just by the news. Kindof a Bill Gates way of doing things :0
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oops..sorry for the typos.. just do not miss the partnerships.. NBC and Disney.. means NBC, GE, and Disney.. hahaha look at what Disney owns.. ABC and so on and so on… all partners.
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Yeah, we know how you think IK… No overreacting from you..World Nuclear News would be the order of the day around here if you ran the site. Fortunately you don’t. Don’t let him kid you Rosie… He is just pumping up his own little agenda with his doubletalk praise.
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@Sickputer, Good evening Sickput, You know nothing about what I think. I would like to know this little agenda you are referring to. Please clarify. As far as world nuclear news goes all I said was that it was reporting nuclear news, so is this website although in a different way.
So What? And double talk? I was only telling rosie what I thought of her statement, which seems to make sense. And just because I haven’t run out & bought a geiger doesn’t mean I am unconcerned.
I don’t believe everything I hear or read. I am trying to be rational, & seeing the pros & cons. So knock it off. Very Sincerely IK
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Isn’t World Nuclear News…what Grace was pitching a while back…where is Grace?
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Yesterday IK typed these pixels of light: “Good evening, the website that you call a “PNP pro nuke website” is World Nuclear News which is exactly what I read, which, is nuclear news in the world. They are reporting news. Everyone is always complaining about under reporting, so…. here’s some news not only from Japan but the world! Then when you read these news stories you get angry because why? Does it bother you to read things you don’t agree with or what?”
SP: They are NOT reporting news… They are fabricating it. And if your agenda is ask us why that “bothers” us then yes that is the agenda I am referring to. And your comment saying the poster today was “sane” versus all the other people who are “overreacting.”. That comment is the double talk…intentionally or non-intentionally you tar the regular posters with your remarks.
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@ Irritating Kalifornian: the pros & cons of what exactly?
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@chemfood:
I believe IK was talking about analytic approach to the news; there are lots of misinformation, false rumours etc flying around. That’s why one should keep his head cool and not to accept anything by face value. It’s called a logical thought process, I think. Personally I wish that more people did this.. but, alas, it would seem that most people are uncapable and even reluctant to do so, specially the religion-types.
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Irradiated, it is people who think and act like you who got us to this place called Fukushima. Therein lies the rub.
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You’re not crazy at all. And you’re not alone. I too don’t post here often but visit the site several times daily since a few weeks after 3/11. To me as a layperson it is obvious that the release of radioactive materials has been gargantuan and ongoing. The destruction of #4 SFP in which contained many cores is mind-blowing. Not to mention the containment vessel breaches and meltdowns/melt-throughs. The fact that there is no msm coverage is further evidence that anything reported by msm is suspect. They do not exist to inform the public.
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How much is 195 Bq/kg, anyway? I know mcSV,mSV,SV etc.,but don’t know how to convert this.
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This measurement is per minute. Times one hour is 11,700. The Japan government is permitting the burning of waste that contains up to 8,000 Bq/kg (a previous article here and Gunderson video around August 25-I think) which is considered radioactive waste in the US. Conversion to the SV scale is difficult. Would someone here please help?
Conversion depends on which radioactive element is being measured. Knowing it is Strontium 90, could someone do this for us all? Please? Just a rough estimate.
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Howdy WCG,
See if these help you:
http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/southrad/conversion.html
http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/terms.htm
http://www.uottawa.ca/services/ehss/ionizconversion.htm
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the allowable limit of strontium 90 contamination is 100 bq/kg in food and maybe water (200 bq/kg for cesium 137!!
i hope this helps to bring things to perspective…shame they didnt give the geiger reading of the area first!!
http://ec.europa.eu/food/international/trade/docs/allfood_sanpin_ann1101_en.pdf
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The EPA limit for Sr-90 in water is 8 pCi/liter… for cesium-137 it’s 200 pCi/l, a factor of 25.
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thanks for the clarification on water bobby!
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from au post below
“set the guidelines at 5bq/kg or litre for pregnant women and children and up to 20bq/kg or litre for adults”
for a sensible? bequerel/litre version
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do they have child dose levels??
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@bobby do they have any child/pregnant women levels in PCi/litre?
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All I have is the table. Of course pregnant women and children should be exposed to less.
http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw/radionuclides/pdfs/guide_radionuclides_table-betaphotonemitters.pdf
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now that is really interesting dont you think??? no figures for that vulnerable group….wonder why??? thanks for the response/link
peace
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Why are we allowing any radiation to be acceptable in our food? Just wondering… I mean, we do know, that eating radioactive elements..even 1 is dangerous to our health.. Why isn’t the limit for food zero?
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It is over accepted limits if you were consuming that in food or water. Double.
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a soil sample with this amount will be diminished in the food chain…but by how much….??
cant believe the iaea are trying to support the creation of hundreds of these polluting beasts, knowing the continuing build up of these contaminants is inevitable…its not the amount found thats the problem…there will be more!! if not because of this disaster/incident then because of the next onessssss!
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when calculating all this numbers just for the size:
most chemistry calculations contain the avogadro constant as number of atoms.
these constant is 6,023 *10²³
thats a big number, but it makes masses comparable. The mol-weight of Stronium is 87 g, this 87 gramm contain the obove given number of atoms. Easy calculation (just for fast comparison): divide that number (23 zeroes) with 150 clicks per minute and you have the time in minutes till 90 g of strontium-90 isotope decay. it will be a number with 20 zeroes, trillons has 9 zeroes. so when it is spoken here of radioactive contamination: no matter how severe it is for life, i would love to have contamination as mass of elements per kg or m² because that would be something one could really imagine (1 pepperkorn per kg of this makes 10 sievert, a ricecorn of that element makes 1 microsievert)
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+100
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and to add to that comparison: think of that number, how big is the mass of strontium that ticks 150 times per minute? its a really really tiny fraction ot the avogadro number multiplied with the molweight of strontium. that is not pro nuke relativism, it is just a microstrontiumparticle elsewhere in the sample. and maybe a scientist will calculate it here, i doubt it will be more than just nanogramms of strontium in that kilogram of soil. so said: it is not decontaminable in such low numbers. and trillions has 12 zeroes, yeah yeah. just estimation calculations.
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@catweazel who said “divide that number (23 zeroes) with 150 clicks per minute and you have the time in minutes till 90 g of strontium-90 isotope decay.”
…but is that correct? Firstly Bq is “per second” not “per minute” If we start out with 87g of Sr90 and we know the half life, we can calculate how many disintegrations per second will be occurring. As the Sr90 changes into daughter products (and ignoring their decay) we can see that over time the rate of disintegrations (per second) will get less and less.
My maths on exponentials is not good, so very approximately: Sr90 half life is about 30 years or 9 x 108 seconds. A mole of pure “fresh” Sr90 would therefore have to AVERAGE (6.023*1023)/( 9*108)*2 disintegrations per second for half the activity to be gone in 30 years. That is a whopping 3.3*1014 disintegrations per second. So our sample of Yokahama rooftop dirt would contain only about 4.5*10-13 grams of Sr90. Half of a millionth of a billionth of a gram. For people using “Old Europe” (**waves** to Don Rumsfeld) measures, a gram is 1/30th of an ounce. When it gets inside the body it goes mostly to bone, gets stuck there and irradiates bone and bone marrow, so is a serious problem for future Japanese cancer and leukaemia rates.
Just checked on Wikipedia: short-lived daughter yttrium90 also emits beta, so you will get 150 Bq/kg from less than half of the mass of Sr90 calculated above.
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awestruck by your computing skills! all them bleedin zeros!! well done!
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oops! for 150 Bq/kg that should have read “half of one thousandth of a billionth” or better to say “half a millionth of a millionth”. But then halve that again because of the yttrium-90, incidentally emitting a much more energetic beta particle.
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in german (native, my text may have been better in german) it made sense. my translation is, well not as good as it should be, my math was thougth to far to fast and when i thought about the text later i painfully missed the delete button. But the central point is: at least you confirm the amount of Sr in the sample is very little spoken in gramms.
and that was the central point for me in both texts.
150 bequerel as clicks per minute of strontium is done by a micromass. thats it. and to get that fraction of a gramm of strontium out of the soil is hard, very hard work.
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When we went through Chernobyl, the independent radiation monitoring lab called Strahlentelex, set the guidelines at 5bq/kg or litre for pregnant women and children and up to 20bq/kg or litre for adults. At the time the German govt had the limit set at 600bq/kg or liter but, after a few years the farmers wanted to push it to 1000bq/kg or litre.
That is what I compare things to- the Strahlentelex guidelines. They don’t have anything to lose or gain as they are an independent lab.
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its worth mentioning too that strontium does not adhere to soil well so most of the strontium should be in the water systems somewhere? so this is very relavent i think….
” set the guidelines at 5bq/kg or litre for pregnant women and children and up to 20bq/kg or litre for adults.”
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link to a very interestind site bloggers!!
thanks au
the independent radiation monitoring lab called Strahlentelex
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strahlentelex.de%2F&lp=de_en&.intl=us&fr=ie8
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Also, how many miles away is Tokyo from Fukushima?
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This is a close approximate. I hope it helps you.:
http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Japan_Distance_Result.asp?fromplace=Fukushima%20%28Fukushima%29&toplace=Tokyo%20%28Tokyo%29&fromlat=37.75&tolat=35.6811259942652&fromlng=140.4666667&tolng=139.76705789566
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Tokyo is big, but say 80 miles to 180 miles, lots of suburbs, very rough numbers from a picture in my head.
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Good tool we all need to know about…just start typing Fukushima and it will bring up the plant as the starting point:
http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm
To Tokyo: 138.379 miles 222.7 kilometers
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Actually, when you type Fukushima in the distance calculation, the answer is from Fukushima City to Tokyo, not from Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
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attenton to detail…gotta love enenews!!
the place i come to for the truth!!
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My distances cited were from the plant. I should have been more specific I guess…
….”as you begin to type the word Fukushima the entry Fukushima nuclear power plant will appear for you to select”
Better?
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Sickputer, I’m sorry. When I calculated the distance a few months ago I must have used a different site which didn’t have a drop down for selections. It took me a long time to realize that Fukushima is a city some distance from the Fuku Nuclear Power Plants.
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No problem… It took me a few weeks to get up to speed on the geography and cities in Japan.
Take care!
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@ anthony What does ” people who act & think like you” supposed to mean?
You have never (as has anyone else) asked me how how l think so you could not know. And did I read that wrong or are you Blaming me for a nuclear accident? So please, tell me how I think & act
Regards IK
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So how do you think, IK? Tell us true about nukes and what they do.
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@chemfood “nukes & what they do” That’s pretty general, bombs or nuclear power plants? Fukushima specifically ? I believe the fuel in those plants is still in the buildings. I don’t believe the mutation stories that are circulating. I don’t believe (as I read on this website) that the fuel has entered the ground water around the plant & is venting steam through cracks in the earth. I do not believe that nuclear is the answer for the future. Do I have a solution ? If I did I would be very wealthy. The thing that concerns me the most is all the waste laying around the U.S., the world & to continue to create it with nowhere to put it is frightening because it is vulnerable to acts of nature & terrorists & any other idiot out there. I do not believe I need to buy a dosimeter or take potassium iodide, because I do not believe that I am being irradiated more than background levels that are always around. . Could I be wrong? Of course. Where’ is the proof that it is ? Do not know. I am talking about where I live by the way. Do I believe HAARP controls climate? No, we are changing it ourselves. If I believed every story I read it would probably drive me nuts which is probably why I see the kinds of comments I do on this website. As to nuclear bombs, I don’t think I need to tell you what they do. Oh & thanks for asking. Regards IK
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@irritated kalifornian
Wow..after all these months and you still aren’t with the program.
It’s cool ..that you stay clueless..really it is.
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IK, DOODSki! Cool Waves…
;http://imageshack.us/g/5/veggiecheck92011.jpg/
Check ‘em out Kali…
Durango, Colorado…look at them blow-ups of the
Sunflowers!
…
Shopping trip to grocery store in Durango…
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzzO11EE_ks&feature=related
…..
Aren’t you glad we Care and Share, Kali?
Venice Beach romantic
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@westcoastgirl, sorry,that info is too easy to research yourself, I won’t devote the time to educate you. Someone with more time will, and I’m not meaning to be rude, just a really bad day witht weather and pain issues.
Only a quick post. Every time, every day, I read more and more of what we have all said time and time again. This is a no win all the way around.
I can only hope that I don’t live long enough to see that whole damn thing blow to smitherines.
My heart still goes out to the poor children and anguished parents/families of Japan. I wish them all Peace and Good Karma. That is all I can do now. Their fate is not in our hands.
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My thoughts exactly , and for a moment I thought I was too polite to say it . I guess this post proves otherwise. lol @ this response.
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Actually, the radiation is here in North America. My heart goes out to all the children worldwide, and the others who are dropping dead worldwide..
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I don’t have much time, either…I am moving anfd about to go to work; my whole life is in disarray right now. Otherwise I’d try to find the answers myself.
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Where if I might ask, are you moving to?
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Wonder if there is a safe place in the world from all this?
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Thanks everyone, for the info…this news is very sad. I know it will only get worse as this plays out; just not sure how much worse. Unfortunately, none of this is surprising.
It’s raining here now, hope to take some readings of the rainwater.
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http://signon.org/sign/increase-government-support.fb1?source=c.fb&r_by=548645
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The gist of this is that there has been 10-12 times as much strontium-90 released than was expected.
At Chernobyl, there was a small area that had high concentrations of strontium. Most of it went into the jet stream.
So if Tokyo is over because of this, so is the US and Canada.
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Hi Bobby1, may I ask again if there is a second source of info for those levels? Have they been confirmed by anybody else?
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It’s just one report, hopefully it doesn’t reflect the whole situation.
But the EPA stopping testing for strontium and plutonium doesn’t help. If the US had a legitimate program for testing these isotopes in air, water, soil, and food there wouldn’t be any speculation about it.
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I suspect the EPA and others are measuring, just not sharing. We know Seattle was measured recently..(for background radiation levels in case of accident) of course after the initial fall out. These numbers are in the hands of scientists and not being released due to national security reasons. I suspect we have readings from all over the place..national security keeps them quiet.. why? The corporation.
My Grandmother died of bone cancer. She spent most of her life in Texas and Oklahoma, in the cloud of above ground testing fall out. Always wondered how she got bone cancer. This stuff does not go away.. still there in cattle county. Where’s the beef?
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@ bobby most of the strontium was deposited around belarus pipryatt etc as far as im aware (see post on this thread!!
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to get it up to the jet stream you might need a 10 kiloton explosion i read somewhere….though i think the smaller hot particles obviously made it to norway and sweden in some concentration
peace
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Researchers at Fukushima U found that large amounts of radiation was in the stratosphere in April.
http://www.fukushima-u.ac.jp/press/H23/pdf/14_08.pdf
The stratosphere starts at 10 km altitude. The jet stream is at 30,000-40,000 feet (10-12 km).
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We have been lied to about the explosion at Unit 3. Apparently the radioactive material went up a lot farther than we could tell from the video.
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+100.
The explosions size only represented how many interactions occurred. the reality of the height and spread is a multiplication of the force exerted.
Basically we saw only the lit end of the cigar. The smoke however was invisible. Might I add what a big puff of the cigar it was it was. As Nuclear explosion is a false representation…
Nuclear fuel implodes. Thus the cluster was scrammed to the stratosphere and possibly beyond.
This winter we will taste the full impact of the cooling fallout making first contact with our native soils…
Hence my earlier article on the possibility of Fukushima creating an Artificial radiation belt. A reality that may indeed exist.
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No need for explosions to reach the jet stream.
Airplanes have collected lots of particles in the jet stream. Small seeds, spores, insects, volcanic ashes, sand particles from storms.
The vegetation on Hawaii was initally from seeds carried by the jet stream.
If the particles are small enough they can be carried all the way around the world.
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I hope you are wrong.
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“………..Bomb to Bone. The Columbia men did more than analyze bones; they also traced the path of strontium 90 from the nuclear reaction to the human body. Most of it was produced by the biggest thermonuclear explosions, U.S. and Soviet, and most of it rose high into the stratosphere. The particles are so small that they fall very slowly until they reach the lower atmosphere. Then rain washes them quickly down to the surface. This process takes time; strontium 90 is now spread all over the earth, with somewhat less in the Southern than in the Northern Hemisphere.
When any kind of strontium gets into soil, it is taken up by plants as if it were calcium. Since plants do not like it as much as calcium, those grown in calcium-deficient soil generally contain more strontium 90 than plants that get plenty of calcium. It is not established, however, that all plants behave in this way…..cont
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Cows & Grass. When animals, including milk cows, eat plants containing strontium 90, they reject it selectively in favor of calcium. Therefore milk contains less strontium 90 in proportion to calcium than the grass or alfalfa that the cows eat. This means that humans who get most of their calcium from milk will collect less strontium 90 than people who get their calcium direct from vegetable sources.”
and this
“The permissible level itself is still considered debatable. It was derived principally from a small amount of experience with the cancer-causing effects of radium in the bone”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,809133,00.html
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so maybe Japan can start collecting sea shells, crushing them up and spayinging the dust all over the place ? stupid thought maybe? well last one I heard was to plant sun flowers so I can’t be too far off.
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interesting idea… though the sunflowers dont work on cesium takeup i believe and strontium is a pretend calcium too! seedding the ground with calcium might mitigate some bioaccumulation, though i suspect it will just be forced elsewhere?
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there will be no evacuation of Tokyo unless they move the seat of governmental power then the chickens will cross the road but same awaits on the other side so whats the point of feeling safer but still it will ultimately get you when the wind blows or the rain comes or you eat the fruit from the harvest. Time to die.
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Yes…time to die…like in Blade Runner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YILQqPbVJBQ&feature=related
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strontium-90
“Freshwater systems such as lakes and rivers accumulate contaminants from the air and from the soil. Strontium-90, in particular, ends up in the water, since it does not adhere strongly to soil particles or to sediment. Some Russian rivers are also contaminated directly by discharges from nuclear facilities. There is a lack of data from Russian rivers before 1960. It is possible that the highest levels in the Ob River occurred prior to 1960 because of the releases from Mayak between 1949 and 1956.”
And this
“Measurements of strontium-90 in drinking water in Greenland show that storage in ice can slow down cleansing from the environment. In northern Greenland, most drinking water comes from ice and snow. Here, the levels of strontium have gone down much more slowly than in southern Greenland, which relies more on surface water. However, even the highest levels today are lower than in the 1960s.”
“…… However, in 1986, the Chernobyl fallout changed the trend in areas directly affected by the accident, and in small areas mainly in Norway and Sweden, higher levels than in the 1960s have been observed.”
http://www.wentz.net/radiate/chernobyl2/chernobyl/radioactivity.html
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Posted both your finding here Arc
So long Tokyo. You will be missed. So damn sad…all of it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
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me too
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It’s one thing all these months to discuss with you guys that Tokyo will be hit hard and that people will eventually take notice. It’s another thing to read that that time is here now. People are noticing and saying WTF over there. I feel like something hit my stomach.
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I’m feeling similarly, ocifferdave. It’s like we got the series premiere with Fukushima, we were left with a cliffhanger over the summer, and now we’re arriving at the season premiere of the continuing story.
I think I’d always imagined a disaster like this as having a beginning, middle and end, as any good movie should. I didn’t expect “The China Syndrome” to become a daily/weekly drama.
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+1 Well said!
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Now the cats out of bag. What will the authorities next move be. More deception, marshall law, quarantine of radio active people. There will be choas,
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I’m going to bet against choas. Yeah, anywhere else I would have expected it by now…but Japan is so reserved.
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I hope so ociffer.
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Whenever I see any high radiation levels there, I wonder how much is and will be drifting our way
Quote: In the simplest put, it’s over.
That’s what I feel like here.
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One of only two people to have been awarded a Nobel Prize in multiple fields (the other is Marie Curie), Linus Pauling was the ultimate poacher turned gamekeeper. In the first half of his career, Pauling blazed a trail as a world-leading chemist, working on several weapons projects for the U.S. military and winning a Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking research into chemical bonds. Then, struck by the grim realities of the nuclear era and the pacifist leanings of his wife Ava, Pauling became a fervent peace activist and later joined Albert Einstein and a number of leading scientists to call for the end of nuclear testing. His campaign was so vociferous that the U.S. State Department temporarily withdrew his passport and rumors of his alleged communist leanings began to swirl. As such, when he won the 1962 Peace Prize for his antinuclear campaign, his critics described him as a “naive spokesman for the Communist Party.” Adding fuel to the fire a few years later, Pauling went on to receive the International Lenin Peace Prize from the U.S.S.R. in 1970.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2096389_2096388_2096387,00.html #ixzz1aP8c1vwI
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It will not happen at once. It will be a long agony for many people. On this delayed death sentence the killers relay. And on the people`s preoccupation with other issues. People do not like to listen – they watch TV.
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Free holiday anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8818400/Japan-offers-10000-free-trips-to-foreigners.html
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10,000 free trips huh? been a drop in tourism ? even with the worlds media and top pr companies backing them and confidence is still lacking?? whys that then??
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The fiscal 2012 year will start on April 1, 2012 in Japan.
“So my readers outside Japan, watch out for the formal announcement on the Agency’s website, which should come before that date: http://www.mlit.go.jp/kankocho/en/index.html
I don’t know if the Agency (or for that matter, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) has the “Plan B” – what if these foreigners do not tweet favorable impression? (Confiscating their return tickets, maybe, or send them off to “volunteer” somewhere north of Tokyo. Just kidding.)
The Agency’s catchphrase is “Japan. Endless Discovery.”
No kidding.”
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/10/free-trip-to-japan-for-lucky-10000.html
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The Ministry of Tourism needs to get into Gear.
How ’bout it?…The Fukushima Reality show…
Contestants will be paid to be pampered by the
best Japanese Hospitality, even Hospitalititty!
Guests will be massaged by flawless young athletes,
fed the finest Ibaraki Beef, and led on tours of
the gorgeous countryside. The Sumo Tournament
is for me!
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Can you imagine we go on one of those excursions, then all hell breaks loose and you find yourself STUCK there~!!! And what would you eat while visiting……. just askin’/sayin’!!!
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What the Frack Monkies?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/business/global/shunning-nuclear-plants-at-home-japan-pursues-building-them-overseas.html
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End Times. Said in April Tokyo would be a ghost town in a couple of years. Feel bad for the kids.
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I think you can forget about the MSM for now. The boiling water reactors at Fukushima are a product of General Electric. President Obama just named the President of GE to the new post of “Job Czar”. With that America’s number one news show, “60 Minutes” did an extended interview with the President of GE last night and never mentioned Japan or nuclear power once.
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@dav8d777
The MSM is so corrupted one can’t believe a word they say. How in the *?!* can the President of GE be sitting in OUR White House? It’s too sick to even talk about.
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Super sick…. our sitting prez….completely corrupt….
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Here is the spot on 60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7384062n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
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This is a must watch…
Telling towards the end, and the word energy was mentioned once….
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Rhymes with Sick!
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Democracy is dead and it’s evil twin “Corpacracy” is in charge.
Governed by the Corporation for the corporation.
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Just a thought here. If any of the stories about the amount of radiation being found in the US are true, especially what’s being found in Alaska and California then Tokyo is CAKED in it. Prevailing winds not withstanding you can’t pollute both coasts of the US without smothering a city only 137 miles away. Just for a comparison, San Francisco is 5,031 miles from Fukushima.
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After seeing deformed wax beans from my garden today (Ohio), I’m a believer that the stories are true!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0
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I heard you recently retired from being you:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/04/earlyshow/main20115252.shtml
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Old Vulcans never die…they become mop bucket guys at Fukashambles like me and Nuck.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghncnGkFAo
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Spock you pointy ear freak, get us out of here.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O1UyoYO6z0
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I wonder what sampling density was used in the Ukraine to determine that an area was unable to safely sustain life? I imagine it was not a very dense grid at all.
They applied the precautionary principle, and moved people out when they had Enough Information.
In Japan they are torn between seeking absolute certainty that an area should be abandoned, and the far simpler process of getting To Know Enough To Make A Sensible Decision.
If you live here and people to the left and right are finding high radiation readings, then that is Enough Information. Get out.
All you need is Enough Information, you do not need to wait until they have All the Information There is to Find. Enough is all you need. If you have Enough and don’t act on it, you are in a really sad state. You and your family only have one life. Live it as best you can.
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I like your “Enough Principle”.
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When your hand touches a hot stove burner, you immediately jerk it away. You don’t wait for a scientist to conduct measurements and analyses, and submit findings through the peer review process before you take your hand off the stove.
You use reflexes, instincts, common sense, this is the life we lead. It’s all anecdotal, our lives are anecdotal, and so are our deaths.
I am all for science, but be realistic and note that funding for science is controlled by the PTB. When you see commercials on TV of people stuffing themselves at restaurants, think to yourself that they are stuffing themselves with strontium-90, which accumulates in the bone, doesn’t go away, and does not only kill people but puts them through agonizing painful deaths from bone cancer. Pain that injected heroin doesn’t even begin to touch.
Use common sense, eat safe food, find clean water to drink.
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Totally! But, it’s amazing how one’s basic survival instinct can be numbed by “group-think,” propaganda, and the passage of time… Not to mention the fact that food with contamination tastes and looks just as good…and the serious health issues will not kick in for years.
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Chernobyl Cesium contamination of Europe map:
http://www.tuurdemeester.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chernobyl-map-Caesium-137-contaminated-areas-in-European-countries.jpeg
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WE ARE ALL PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH SOLAR SUPERSTORMS THAT CAN CAUSE 71 NUCLEAR PLANTS IN THE USA TO EXPERIENCE MELTDOWNS.
See http://www.aesopinstitute.org for an overview and some suggestions for action to attack this unpublicized, very real, mortal threat.
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Why wouldn’t it affect all 104 nuclear power plants in the US?
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Maybe 33 of them will already be in meltdown due to earthquakes and floods.
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Yes Mark. The challenge with a CME shutting down the entire grid is that without grid power all the nukes are relying on their backup generators, AND the refueling of those generators relies on a fuel depot having electricity to pump the fuel into the road tanker. Its a long and shaky limb we are out on.
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check out this little diddy
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20111011a1.html
and where they stored the waste.
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I picked up on that when I read the article, too. Unbelievable, isn’t it?
“The waste is currently stuffed in bags and temporarily housed at the back of the gymnasium.”
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Another one I picked up. Since Japan is sinking go elsewhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/business/global/shunning-nuclear-plants-at-home-japan-pursues-building-them-overseas.html
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Here is a classical case of reification for the people of Japan. Oh for them to be like Astro Boy.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fe20111009rh.html
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i posted about this on another forum, only to be told that a source from one person isnt enough of a validation as to what is true… how do i answer that?
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WWJD? Dust your feet off and go into another town. (site). Or,…you can always use, “Bang Head Here”, right?
Good work friend!
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For a Panic we don’t know enough about this Measurement!
We need to know how it was done,
this is not an easy task and need
a little bit of Background!
For example: How do he/ she know it was-is Strontium-90?
Was there a real Test in a Labor?
How they collect the Test Material?
Etc.!
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to prove our point we need more hard evidence… anecdotal evidence isnt enough for the non believers out there…we know the truth, but the reality is, it is hard to back up facts (such as from fukushimadiary), without proof from more than one person….
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Stronium & Plutonium Found In Government Survey
*MAPING*
Stronium 90 and Plutonium 238 & 239 have been found around the region of the Fukushima Daiichi accident. Some of the stronium 90 findings were over 80km from the plant and 5,700 becquerels per square meter were found in Futuba. Officials claimed the plutonium found was likely from previous nuclear bomb tests but the stronium 90 levels were much …
http://houseoffoust.com/group/?p=3535
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http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/11/japan-chiba-prefecture-depleted-uranium-storage-facility-containing-765-kg-of-depleted-uranium-burned/
We have no idea how much plutonium, uranium, and the like went up into the atmosphere.. I kept thinking…wasn’t there a tank at a refinery that also had radioactive crap in it that most likely spread around town or vaporized perhaps, especially when the water from the fire fighters hit it?
View this video.. interesting points made about the Japanese “readiness” or preparation for their troops, and the lessons we should have learned about blowing stuff up.. those who think the easiest thing to do is nuke it, may wish to consider the lessons available, and that we could make it worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvIqhVnaalo&feature=related
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@ SIR KEEKOTIN You said it better than I could. I appreciate the fact that you got the point I was trying to make. There is a lot of mis information & mis leading stories out there on both sides of the issue. I don’t assume that a nuke website is giving out fabricated information without some research, just because it has the word nuclear in it’s title.This site has been known to do the same thing. I’ve be criticized for asking too many questions but I do not know how else to find things out. I am just trying to dig through this mish mash of information & try to find an answer. Have A Good Day IK
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If World Nuclear News was interested in truly informing the People they would NOT be publishing articles that suggest decontamination is possible, let alone while Daiichi is still blowing this godawful mess
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Clean_up_in_Fukushima_0510111.html
Their main concern is for nuke jobs, not the severe problems they cause
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Heavy_impact_from_post_Fukushima_decision_1008111.html
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In regard to The World Nuclear News. Takes 5 minutes to look at their homepage and see
“This information service
is supported by
World Nuclear Association”. Now check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Nuclear_Association
First thing you will read “The World Nuclear Association (WNA), formerly the Uranium Institute, is an international organization that promotes nuclear power and supports the many companies that comprise the global nuclear industry.”And further down the page “Accredited to the United Nations, the WNA is an independent, non-profit organization, funded primarily by membership subscriptions. It is unknown how much funding is dedicated to influencing policy.” And “WNA Membership consists mainly of companies, and the WNA’s twice-yearly meetings have primarily a commercial focus. Current WNA Members are responsible for virtually all of world uranium, conversion, and enrichment production and some 95% of the world’s nuclear-generated electricity outside the USA (85% of world nuclear generation, including the USA ).”
Westinghouse Areva and other nuclear industry members advertise on WNN site.
Good luck convincing me or anyone else they are not a pro nuke site. And for those of you promoting World Nuclear News as balanced journalism good luck convincing me you are not a PNP.
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@ Mark..thank you for this info.
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“It’s Over” — “Tokyo on the edge” ?
“It’s Over” — “JAPAN on the edge” should have being the real title. Face it. Soon or later you’ll admit it.
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