Sinkhole Experts: “We’ve got to look at all caverns in the area folks” — “We don’t know what effect collapse had on caverns close to it” — “We know there’s concern, it’s been on the blogs…” (VIDEO)

Published: December 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am ET
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Title: Bayou Corne Resident MTG
Source: rainbeaudais
Date: Dec 18, 2012

Part 5 at 4:45 in

Will Pettitt, general manger of Itasca, a worldwide firm that specializes in rock mechanics:

We don’t know the [???] geometry of the salt dome or its current condition.

We don’t know what effect this collapse has had on the caverns close to it.

Part 7 at 4:00 in

Gary Hecox, a Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure Inc. geologist working on the issue for the State of Louisiana:

One thing that I know Dr. Nunn at LSU talked about, it was in the paper, I read the papers, I watch the news every night.

The issue of the other caverns has to come in to the overall analysis. […]

We’ve got to look at all the caverns in the area folks, we can’t — we know there was concern, it’s been on the blogs, I’ve seen it on the news, people are worried about, “What about the other caverns.” We’re working on it. We’re looking at them.

Part 10 at 5:30 in

Resident: I have a simple question, is Texas Brine or any other company actively mining on the west side of the [salt] dome?

Martin S. Triche, Ward 5 Juror & Assumption Parish President: […] Yes. Yes. Texas Brine is. […]

Hecox: That’s something we’re looking at.

Watch the 2-hour meeting here

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24 comments to Sinkhole Experts: “We’ve got to look at all caverns in the area folks” — “We don’t know what effect collapse had on caverns close to it” — “We know there’s concern, it’s been on the blogs…” (VIDEO)

  • Weeping Lulu Weeping Lulu

    I admit reading about this louisiana sinkhole and further corrosion of land is almost funny. Let me explain before I get nasty hater posts like before, I can't believe that the people in the area are not scared out of their minds or have sh*tted their pants yet enough to leave! I would very much like to believe most have some mental disturbances, I mean if someone told me or I can see or smell danger my a$$ would of packed up and got the hell out of dodge. Why are these people still in there?? If Bobby Jindal does not admit even to himself their is a problem the man needs not to be in that office! I remember their being a petition circulating to the white house saying that louisiana does not want to be part of the USA anymore, what the hell! So, if they are no longer part of the USA, I guess all reporting on this subject, Texas Brine and future dangers stop and FEMA will get to use those plastic tupperware caskets they have. Hummm, oh did I forget that state will no longer have any HELP from the rest of us, since they would have to get in line and ask/beg like the international community when catastrophy strikes, GOOD LUCK!! May I remind you that louisiana and residents are still in the rebuilding process and has not fully recovered even after Katrina(2005); What hope do you think you will have if all of louisiana does not pry enough to ask what the hell is or will happen next?!


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    • Weeping Lulu Weeping Lulu

      Let me remind you again, "THIS IS AN EVERYBODY PROBLEM!" You know, I have not read in all the posts/papers or geologist comments what are they doing to stop it. I get more curious, I will admit just say that the ground continues to erode and we find out that the next county or state is in danger of land breeching due to tunnels/pipes, that might be connected. What are they doing or what recourse do they have in place, besides more drilling??


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      • gottagetoffthegrid

        There is not much you can do:
        Bayou water is fresh. Fresh water disolves salt. Disolved salt supports no load. More land subsides. More fresh water moves in.

        Repeat.

        They should be slant drilling and pumping grout into the base of the collapse as fast as possible. And I mean 1000's of cubic yards of grout per day until it starts coming out on the ground. That's how we deal with coal mine subsidence. But these are just poor rural folk so who really gives a sh!t? It's not like they are TB shareholders.


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        • FREEDOMROX

          Nailhead? Meet hammer…


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          And how do you suppose they will be able to profit from that? They couldn't even sell off the hydrocarbon soup if they blocked it all off.


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        • Weeping Lulu Weeping Lulu

          :( Good lordy. I think I would of written everyone that has an office there in Louisiana lol to my amusement I probably been kidnapped by the government and anal probed for being to loud, they do that you know. Not making fun of anyone or situation sorry, but I would of thought TB or geologists would of done alot to fix something. Im not a scientist or clain to have a huge brain, but it seems most days the public got more insite and should have some of these high paying jobs then things would get fixed and changed. Glad we have the net to see how the inner workings of how these companies operate so when they start to ask the public for some ideas we can jump in… High 5 fellow experts.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      That was my problem with Mr. Martin of Texas Brine. Many resident's did ask, "We want out, but can't afford to, so when is Texas Brine gonna buy out our homes so we can get outta danger?" (paraphrase), and was given no answer, just stonewalled.


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    • gottagetoffthegrid

      I'm not going to flame you Lulu. But they don't leave for 3 reasons:
      1. They have lived there all their lives(prolly their parents too)
      2. Their land is their only asset and likely some of their food supply
      3. where they gonna go? Lower 9 ward?


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    Exactly, Freedom. I saw some figures here a while back about TB buying everyone out and a figure was thrown out there of $100,000 per home. I had to laugh at that. Land on this bayou is not cheap by any means, and that figure needs to start at above $300,000 plus for many of the homes.

    People can't just walk away from a $300,000 mortgage and not be ruined financially.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      @rainbeaudais not only does Texas Brine need to buy out the homes ….,they also need to pay off the mortgage…You see, if you still owed 200,000 on your home & got 300,000 you would only have 100,000 left to move, find a job etc etc. So although the initial offer may sound good…you have to calculate what would be left after paying off a mortgage.


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Rain, I hear you and yes it is tough to make the choice to walk away, especially when someone is not in your face saying that your going to loose it eventually.

      I see this situation as being a lot like a ship that may be sinking which is also maybe on fire. You see smoke, you smell smoke and the deck of the ship is tilting just slightly. The captain has addressed the ship and told everyone that they are not exactly sure what happened, or what's going to happen but that the situation is under control.

      They realize how precarious the situation is and I am not taking issue with current efforts. To me it seems that they are working diligently to fill in the remaining gaps of what went wrong. The 6,000 ft boreholes and 3D imaging will go a long way to answering that question.

      As a resident and especially if you have someone who depends on you, what is the threshold of danger, the sign, which you are waiting for? When does the risk become too high?

      Many people have survived loosing everything they had. I had to start over only 3 years ago from almost nothing. I sympathize with anyone facing the decision based on the available information, it is a tough call to make.


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Now with the un-investigated bubbling of Lake Peigneur, even after their own sinkhole catastrophe we have this:

    http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/12320-save-lake-peigneur-stop-agl-

    Wow…


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  • Anthony Anthony

    **Texas Brine denies that its cavern is failing.

    “We can state that during the 25-plus years of the life of this cavern, there was never any indication of a loss of integrity of the cavern,” said Sonny Cranch, Texas Brine spokesman about the abandoned cavern, now a major focus of attention in the growing disaster.**

    – Then I think if everything is okay they should remedy the issues immediately. You cant have it both ways when others refuse to lie with you.


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  • sentinelle sentinelle

    In Part 7 at just before 7 minutes Mr. Hecox tells us his best analogy is to compare it to a storm off the coast, a hurricane.
    In other words, the 'storm' is not yet here..


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