Sinkhole Meeting: We don’t know how we’re going to stop crude oil from coming to surface — Turning to international experts for help (VIDEO)

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Assumption Parish/Bayou Corne Sinkhole Meeting
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Date: Oct 9, 2012

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28 comments to Sinkhole Meeting: We don’t know how we’re going to stop crude oil from coming to surface — Turning to international experts for help (VIDEO)

  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

    Fifty million cubic feet of cement would take care of the cavern.

    If the M1 or M2 sands outside are slumping into the cavern and methane is seeping up the outside of the salt (vs. up through the inside of the cavern and out through a ceiling fracture), then they have a whole different nightmare on there hands.

    Not sure how they're going to figure that one out. Didn't they pull the rig last week?

    This isn't quite a extinction-level event though. A regular gas/oil well blowout and loss of control is potentially a lot worse. GrandGulf had a blowout somewhere around there last year that flowed natural gas (burning) wide open for two or three weeks before they got the well back under control.

    I'm kind of surprised they are still rounding up 'experts'. They could have started that a month ago and started considering possible repairs. Thinking must take longer in the bah-yoo. Maybe its all the methane.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi PavewayIII

      There are unanswered questions, and maybe they don't even know the answers. I would say we don't know everything that's wrong. I would think the subject of cementing the cavern would have been discussed, at least I hope they did.

      I do think this has a potential of extinction level for the US as we know it. This could get worse or maybe not, I don't have a crystal ball. Mine hasn't come through the mail yet.

      I don't know how many experts they can call, but I hope they call everyone and the ones they don't, should still put on their thinking caps.

      At this point I am wondering what is going to get us first, radiation from Fukushima or this disaster? Whatever wins is not getting a lollypop prize from me.


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  • jackassrig

    Shaw is going to get paid to dilly dally. Then bring on all the good-ole-boys so they can dilly dally. In the end they will tell us they don't know what to do. The taxpayer will foot the bill and everyone will go home with money poking out of every pocket.

    God save us from those damn experts. Give ole Steve Chu a jingle. He'll know what to do.


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  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

    "…I would say we don't know everything that's wrong…"

    And we don't know if what they told us so far is actually true. I don't expect much honesty from government officials when they're trying to clean up after their cronies disasters.

    "…I would think the subject of cementing the cavern would have been discussed, at least I hope they did…"

    I'm *certain* it did. Along with who was going to pay for it. I'm also certain that nobody volunteered. At that point, Cronies Inc. probably figured it was best to kick the can down the road to Shaw. Maybe they have a magical, cheaper alternative.

    Jackassrig is right about the outcome: every taxpayer including me is getting stuck with the bill no matter who does what.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi PavewayIII

      You are right we haven't had much honesty. I wish I could say this wasn't true.

      You are right again they are interested in profits with having low cost output. They are a business and business as usual.

      Not sure what this will cost the public, the price might be to high. Depending how this turns out (lives, health, homes, jobs, the US). That's ok because like usual the ones who cause this, will be in a safe place and smelling like a rose getting higher profits from somewhere else, that they can destroy (sarc).
      The cycle never ends.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    When they admit they are calling for "international" experts help,
    that tells me this has to be extremely serious <(just a guess)


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  • many moons

    I think you are very right about that WindorSolarPlease


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  • charlie3

    Turning to international experts for help is a serious warning sign.
    I wonder what industrialized nation with many engineers and a giant oil industry will know more about how to solve this than the US?
    China? Germany? France?


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Don't know charlie3.. I think it should be a call out to everyone.

      I'm tired of these so called legal crimes against the environment, which hurts the public and so on.


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  • kalidances

    River Bend Nuclear Generating Station is in West Feliciana Parish(St. Francisville).
    http://www.entergy-nuclear.com/plant_information/river_bend.aspx

    River Bend is about an hour and a half's drive Northwest from Assumption Parish. The Louisiana government had better hurry up. Hurricane season doesn't end until the last week of November and if a storm comes no emergency, or cleanup, vehicles will be able to handle the areas around the sinkhole.
    http://theadvocate.com/home/4121479-125/expert-links-gas-sinkhole


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  • Sol Man

    Shaw is tasked with looking at what cause the problem in the first place. That's rich. In time they may even come up with treating the entire earth any old way you want in order to get a cheap way to get rid of your problem chemicals % radioactive trash is a forbidden. How much disruption, death, and destruction must be endured before we all can come to the conclusion that we are on the wrong track? We must change our ways if it is not already too late; end game in sight.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Sol Man

      These greedy guts have made a mess of things, it would take a miracle to clean up what they have all done.

      The first step is to shut down the things that hurt the environment..We will never see that happen. They are blinded by greed, power, and ego. They don't want to understand what they are doing to this world.

      I agree with you end game in site..I don't know when or how. What else can we expect with such mistreatment of this world.


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Maybe Russia? They had some similar disasters since they did similar practices. But, perhaps the reason to go international is because international companies are already involved and everybody wants their own experts? Seismologists, rock movement experts…hmmm…that all sounds like they have decided much more than a salt dome has melted and a little oil and gas are leaking where they shouldn't be. Over 2 months now and still guessing? Again, these geologists are not in the business of fixing the problems but in making the problems. They probably just don't have anyone regionally with the experience to think about this expansively, critically enough. I live in in Oregon and when St. Helen's was rumbling, they shoved all the local geologists who had studied our mountains over to the side and let the international and US experts take over who knew nothing about pyroclastic flows. They set a 25 mile safety zone and were surprised when 200 mile an hour needles of melted glass, pumice and steam came roaring out baking everything in it's path for hundreds of miles. I just shook my head and learned a lesson of how the system works.


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  • markww markww

    I feel a chain reaction started after the Bp Drilling Disaster which is now coming to pass.Some said it can't start from 2 years ago but it could be a slow chain reaction one thing leading to another.

    1. First we have to understand the Video I posted about the Methane Hydrates in the gulf 20 miles in diameter. When oil was gushing out at high temperatures due to friction and the uplift and friction the methane cap started to bulge the bottom of the Gulf. If the methane cap is larger and extends under Louisiana and Texas this is the bubbling effects we see. There was a picture on the internet showing a massive mountain of Methane extending under the 2 states which I have spent time looking for.I wished I could have copies it back 2 years ago. After the methane started to melt earthquakes,and ice melts underground started salt domes to loose their strength. The materials in the domes could have also aggravated the problems too by taking out salt and replacing it with Gas Butane's and everything else a caldron of poisons. Storms shifts in the ground many things happened now it is a disaster . I am working on helping to find some people too talked to one old oil man he said drill the oil and sell it get the gas prices down and cap the rest with a concrete slurry.

    Mark


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      I'm with you on this one, markww. This 20 mile diameter bulge at the BP well site is bad news. Fracturing and leaking methane is bad enough. The eruption of a methane volcano would be very bad indeed. Everyone watch for the evacuation of the Gulf drilling rigs. This will be your cue to get out of there, and away from the Gulf Coast. A passing thunderstorm might be the source of ignition. BOOM!


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  • markww markww

    Methane gas filters up thru underground rock & up to the surface along geologic faults; when it emerges under the ocean … & hits cold enough sea water, it forms into Methane Ice

    If you look under America you will see the Methane Plate

    http://s1071.photobucket.com/albums/u512/MARKWW02/?action=view&current=2000px-Plates_tect2_ensvg_copy_zps465f96c5.jpg


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  • markww markww

    TOO LITTLE TOO LATE

    What has always bothered me as to a ANY DISASTER not one person ever calls in THE BIG GUNS at first it is usually the few local people and then after things get out of hand they say we Need EXPERT HELP at Least the Fire Department Calls for help as soon as thy can. How about you city and county leaders stepping up to the Plate and admitting you should have called in People over a month ago when I sent you a letter as to the worst case disaster. You could have had people on site and not have to wait till the last minute to undo the screw up.

    All of this could may have come too late now and the domino effect has started in other areas.

    Mark


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      That's exactly why I don't think it's too late yet, markww. When the SHTF, they'll call the fire department. Fukushima? They called right away. If they're still rounding up experts in Louisiana, then it's not too late. They still figure they have time and options.

      Natural gas is mostly methane. Its will freeze to a hydrate in the Arctic underground, but I don't think it does that anywhere underground in the states besides the ocean bottom.

      The methane hydrate around the Macondo well is from the same Miocene-age deposits of natural gas that surround the Napoleonville dome. Those deposits (M1 and M2 sands) have been subject to so much faulting and folding that they are not really connected as a huge layer anymore. Whatever is leaking under Bayou Corne will eventually bleed down.

      Scientists speculate that the ships and planes that are lost in the Bermuda Triangle were victims of huge methane releases from undersea hydrates. A warm current or undersea movement causes giant sheets to sublime into bubble masses and rise. Loaded ships sink. Planes engines fail and they fall out of the sky. It creates its own local weather and lightening like a forest fire. No idea why that hasn't been seen in the Gulf (that I know of).


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    "A 25′ section of pipeline (from Acadian Gas’ pipeline) floated to the surface on yesterday on the edge of the pipeline right-0f-way. The pipeline was emptied previously which made it become bouyant and since the sinkhole occurred there is no earthen cover to keep the pipeline submerged. The risks associated with this incident is for workers in the sinkhole – that they don’t run into/over the floating pipe. Safety measures are being taken at the site to avoid the risk. Pictures of the floating pipe are being uploaded to our Flickr site, http://www.flickr.com/photos/assumptionoep this morning.

    …There was a short period of time that Highway 70 was closed this morning while a flare was checked at Crosstex. The flare was quite large; however, we have been advised that it was within normal operations. The road was closed as a safety measure to verify that it was actaully a flare and not a fire on Crosstex property."

    http://assumptionla.wordpress.com/


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      That's an odd one – buoyant (metal?) pipeline?


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        Right aigeezer? I suspect there is no ground underneath it anymore.. float to surface??? how about uncovered due to the earth giving way..and sloughing off into the sinkhole.. I suspect we will see more pipelines being uncovered, unearthed, unbelievable..

        From my digging..it seems to be a 20 inch in diameter natural gas pipeline and it sits right next to another 20 inch pipe and both of these sit next to the 36 inch pipe that was bent early on..it occurs our dirt road next to the sinkhole is the pipeline right of way..

        also interesting find, from the same article.. "Joe S. Ball Jr., director of DNR’s Injection and Mining Division, said some scientists are suggesting that a large gas bubble belched upward from underground and reached the surface, liquefying the overlying soil and creating the slurry."

        hmm.. what would cause that?? heating from below? gas off of methane?? both???

        http://theadvocate.com/news/3539214-123/sinkhole-forces-bend-gas-pipeline


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          Fascinating reading, Cataclysmic. The authorities somehow don't tell us much even when they give lots of detail.

          "Assumption Parish officials said powerful underground forces unleashed by the formation of an acre-sized swampland sinkhole had…." Ah, that explains it (not) – Powerful Unleashed Underground Forces (PUUF) – who knew?

          You're right to ask "why" to their "large gas bubble belch" hypothesis. All their attempted explanations just beg the next question in the chain, all ending with "what will happen in future?" – the one question they can't answer.

          It's sad to read of residents trying to "be normal" as this story gets bigger all around them.


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  • kalidances

    @markww this is one of the comments(by Rob-third one listed)

    http://www.stuarthsmith.com/fears-of-methane-explosion-rise-in-sinkhole-ravaged-la-town/

    "…While I agree that the Local Residents need to leave this problem is far, FAR, larger than the information found here implies. There are two Elephants in the room that most are ignoring. One is the Methane Hydrate Layer & the Louann Salt Layer. These Salt Domes are components of the Louann Salt Layer. Presure measured at the Salt Cavern that failed, causing this large sink hole, was coming in at just under 1,000 PSI. Granted, that is not the readings for the Aquaphors but this does go to show just how much gas is being dislaced from deep within the Geological Structure of the Gulf Coast."


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  • Sirius

    To their credit, though, it's good they admitted they need international help, unlike the japanese.


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