“Are you sitting down”? Gamma rays seen in Fukushima footage — Appearing as out-of-focus streaks and flashes (VIDEO)

Published: January 25th, 2012 at 2:45 am ET
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Title: Video: Inside the Fukushima Reactor
Source: PBS
Date: Jan 24, 2012

[…] The footage […] the first interior view of the disabled reactor unit 2, one of three reactors that failed in March 2011. […]

Steam and radiation affected the quality of the video, but you can see gamma rays — which are detected by the camera in a manner similar to light but not focused by the lens — in the footage looking like streaks and flashes.

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Title: A view inside a nuclear reactor
Source: Boing Boing
Author:
Date: Jan 24, 2012

[…] The view is obscured by steam, the effects of radiation, and (are you sitting down) actual goddam gamma rays just whizzing by. According to the PBS Frontline blog, those are the little streaks and flashes that you see in this video. […]

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Title: Japanese Officials Peep Damaged Fukushima Reactor, Catch a Glimpse of Gamma Rays
Source: Gizmodo
Author: Andrew Tarantola
Date: Jan 25, 2012

TEPCO officials attempted to peer inside the damaged #2 Fukushima reactor this week but couldn’t discern the level of destruction on account of all the Gamma radiation present. […]

You can actually see the Gamma radiation in the film as out-of-focus light streaks.

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Published: January 25th, 2012 at 2:45 am ET
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72 comments to “Are you sitting down”? Gamma rays seen in Fukushima footage — Appearing as out-of-focus streaks and flashes (VIDEO)

  • norbu norbu

    holy sh%$, looks like they want out. Hope they dont get out. very scary

  • lokay5 lokay5

    It’s been detwrmined that’s water dripping, not gamma rays. Gamma rays are not visible to the human eye. The “sparkles” are the gamma rays shooting through the camera.

    • Bones Bones

      You are totally right that humans can’t see gamma rays. However, the ccd on any digital camcorder (Same as a digi cam) actually do pick up gamma rays as those little white dots and thin streaks. For that reason, many people wondered why Tepco didn’t use an old school fiber optic video system without the digital component. I think you just misread or read too quickly.

    • Bones Bones

      I wish I could delete my post. lol I see what you are saying.

    • BeniJax

      lokay5-it was been determined by whom that it’s water dripping? The streaks are not parallel to each other, but they come from the same general direction. Watching the video, I can’t imagine how (the alleged) water droplets could fall in a path that cris-crosses the paths of other droplets. Even if there was enough air flow to cause a disruption in the trajectory, all droplets would be affected in relatively the same manner. When a storm moves over you from the West, do you get lots of rain from the East at the same time ?

  • newty

    So what? Gamma rays inside a nuclear containment vessel? You must be kidding.

    I agree with the fact that these sparks are radioactive discharges. Of course, they are unfocussed, since they pass the CMOS-Sensors from all directions. This is, why they are smearing across more than one sensor.

    But radiation, including gamma-rays is expected inside reactors, regardless the are really in cold shutdown or havarized with molten fuel, cracks and all other evils. This effects are the reason for decommission of reactors taking decades…

    • mikey

      And the SHILLS ARE OFF! Who will win this round Wilson Lokay or Newt?

      • Misitu

        both of them qualify for:
        1. prompt diversionary language
        2. spelling mistakes (see 1)
        3. patronising explanations
        3. sarcasm
        6. lack of citations
        7. poor grammar (see 1)
        8. irrelevant technical detail
        9. whitewash

        So far for me it’s neck and neck

        8-))

    • Misitu

      Interesting point here, is the cam inside the PRESSURE VESSEL (radiation no surprise) or inside the PRIMARY CONTAINMENT (not so good)

      Yes, I know there has been a bit of a breach, but there is a difference.

      I will scan the reports & see what I can find. But I will be away for a while. Who knows, somebody might get there before I get back.

      • mikey

        AND MITSU takes the LEAD with bit of a breach!!!!

        • Misitu

          erm ironic dear chap

          I was being sarcastic

          doh

          • takedake

            The camera was NOT inside the PCV, but the outer (secondary) containment vessel.

            Most of the streaks are coming from one direction, that’s why they appear to diverge when the camera is pointing toward the source. That source is above the camera (the opposite direction of the iron gridwork which was supposed to be still covered with water).
            I don’t see why no one’s jumped on lokay’s absolutely non-sensical post. It’s a camera, not a human eye. And raid drops couldn’t travel at that speed and radiate in those numbers from one spot.
            Gamma rays are travelling at a high percentage of the speed of light, so I suspect (unlike so many posters here claiming omniscience or expertise when 1 year ago they didn’t know a PCV from “a” PVC) the CMOS/CCD is causing the latency. If not, then what else would be causing those flashes across the screen? A resident family with flashlights? I think not.
            It appears that there’s a hole in the PCV and that’s the source of the radiating gamma ray streaks.

            • takedake

              I see Andrew Spagnoli below got it straight. Yes this area should be radiation free, that it’s not proves corium has penetrated the PCV of # 2 too. And the CV looks bad, I can see why the worker on site doubts it will last 10 years.

      • newty

        I have read Tepco has expected to see fuel rods in this footage. So I still assume that that this footage has been captured inside the PCV.

        This endoscope footage has been made to clarify if – or hopefully how much – of the fuel stayed inside the PCV. There is no neccesity to capture the outer containment, because all the fuel which isn’t found inside the PCV has obviously left the PCV.

        At last to the dripping water theory: I have worked with hours of video footage captured in high humidity environments. All photographic lenses tend to fog over when there is high humidity. In the footage I have viewed, the human operated was instructed to dry the lense with cloth to reduce the blurring of the captured image. Gamma flashes seen here are very sharp, in relation to the optical image, so these flashes can’t be aquired by the optic used here.

    • arclight arclight

      @newty .. to clarify

      “This effects are the reason for decommission of reactors taking decades”

      about 12 decades or so for reactor 4 chernobyl!! so far!

    • That is OUTSIDE the reactor pressure vessel. It is the primary containment (which is supposed to be clean without melted fuel contamination.) There are supposed to be several layers between the fuel and the primary containment. Those layers (as well as the primary containment and reactor shield buildings) have been breached by radiation and solid, gaseous, and liquid radioactive wastes. You are off base in your analysis that this is “normal” or as it should be in a nuke plant.

  • mikey

    Sweet Heyzeus! If ya got um light um up now boys– Fatlady singing mournfully in the rear–No criticality here folks!! This is wuh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that- The reactor clearly is now just a Metallic sphincter of Megadeath. Would u like sum butter with that TOAST?

  • Misitu

    Thanks for this admin, on the nail as usual.

    I want to hear the audio stream with the cam ops going OOOOH and AAAAAH and the japanese equivalent of WTFHIT (what’s that)

  • dosdos dosdos

    The white streaks appear to be water drops falling, blurred by the slow exposure rate. I’ll give several reasons why my guess would be water drops falling from above.

    The streaks are parallel, as is falling water under the effect of gravity. They all move in the same direction. (Don’t be fooled by camera orientation when they seem to go across sideways.) You see perspective spread looking up and down, but not when looking at a level angle. You can spot a few at odd angles, but that would be slash effects as the drops hit something and bounce.

    The streaks are brighter near the camera. (The larger the streaks’ appearance, the closer to the camera.) It’s dark in the containment chamber, and the only light source surrounds the lens. Light falls off to the distance squared, so things closer are brighter. If the streaks were the source of light, they’d all be the same brightness. They’re not. The smaller (further away), the dimmer.

    The brighter streaks (the closer ones) are less in focus than the dimmer ones, a product of depth of field of the lens. It’s the same as when you hold your finger in front of a lens when taking a picture, it’s never sharp because the lens doesn’t focus that closely.

    Gamma moves at the speed of light, these are moving at gravitational speeds, since you can see the start and end of the streaks in each frame that is wide angle enough to show it. Gamma streaks would have no ends unless a collision occurred, and it would be brighter than the streak (if the camera could pick up gamma collisions).

    The lens is set for visible light. Gamma is much higher frequency and bends differently when changing mediums (air to glass). To see streaks, you’d have to have a cloud chamber effect. I’ve photographed cloud chambers, and they don’t look like that.

    (And please don’t call me a shill. I want all nukes shut down as much as anyone here. But I also have physics and photographic backgrounds, and I have seen the…

    • dosdos dosdos

      con’t/

      I have seen this effect before, often.)

      The containment chamber is full of steam, and it will condense and drip back down. Think of a massive sauna, the steam rising from below, cooling below boiling point (to dew point) and gathering on all surfaces and dripping off as it achieves enough mass to form a drop.

      This is not the scene of a cold shut down, rather a meltdown that is still hot enough to boil lots of water.

      • aigeezer aigeezer

        That’s useful, dosdos. I am left with two fairly compelling explanations, one being your water droplet view and the other being the gamma ray view.

        Until reading your posts, I found the gamma ray version very believable because of decades-old memories of “cloud chamber” demonstrations like this:

        http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/einsteinguide/activities/cloud.html

        Trying to find an example link just now, I stumbled on this:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray

        … which was useful but gave me a wry smile about the ubiquitous “transcontinental flight” meme.

        Anyway, I’m now like a person with two clocks – I’ll never know what time it is – since the two don’t agree and they both seem reasonable.

        I like it when someone makes me think. Thanks!

      • What I see is a whole lot of the rainbow video snow from radiation, some water drops, and also streaks that look different. The streaks that I see seem to travel at multiple angles– unlike the water drops also visible. On the point about speed of travel bring gravitational, I would want much more info to be sure of that (for one thibg, does the camera chip respond fast enough to show us the speed accurately? )

        • takedake

          As to the speed–exactly, that’s what I said above too; the streaks are too slow to be near-SOL-gamma rays, but I think the water-drop explanation is ridiculous. Water drops wouldn’t make uniformly bright streaks like that, no way. And they’re radiating from a small area, which could be a hole in the PCV water’s droppin from, but also where radiation is, well, radiating from.
          And some are not vertical.

          Regardless the white/multicolored snow effect is certainly radiation, and there should be non in the secondary CV.

    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      dosdos, I respect your credentials and your analysis, but there are a couple of reasons why I disagree with your conclusions.

      1. If the streaks of light are water drops falling, then one could reasonably expect that one or more of them would splash on the lens sometime during the video. At a couple of places in the video, the streaks appear to be coming right at the camera lens, yet none of them splash and leave water on the lens.

      2. I have stepped through the video, frame-by-frame, and at 22 seconds in, there are clearly two streaks which are traveling perpendicular to each other. This phenomenon is also seen at 46 seconds. If this is truly water falling from the ceiling, I do not understand how you could have them falling at 90-degree angles to each other.

      • Stlouieishot

        spade- sorry about that ,meant to hit reply not report comment.

        i think you hit the nail on the head with some of the streaks coming in sideways. i have never in my life seen water drops fall sideways outside of a wicked thunderstorm.

        the gamma rays are shown as the little white streaks and dots that look like sparks. watch some of the old vids from chernobyl evacuations, most of the footage has the exact same effect shown in the endoscope vids.

        • dosdos dosdos

          If you turn a camera 90° from the axis of the lens, rain drops appear to fall sideways.

          Second, the camera lens is very small, less than an inch across. That small a target could easily avoid being hit by a random pattern.

          And water drops that fall from a height of 60 feet or more can create splashes that travel in all sorts of directions. After all, the camera was inserted directly above the inspection walk, plenty of things to splash from.

  • truthseek truthseek

    dosdos, (as an imaging expert) I agree with clearly reasoned points which you make. The “gravitational speed” comment, registers with my doubts about actually seeing / sensing this spectrum of light.

  • TerraHertz TerraHertz

    This whole endoscope video saga is making me very sad. The amount of stupidity, misinformation and miunderstanding is unbearable.

    Let’s start with TEPCO. They said they were “drilling a hole through the containment vessel.”
    Yet the endoscope video shows it being shoved down a pipe, containing cables, into the space between the PV and CV walls.
    Then there’s TEPCO’s choice of a semiconductor video camera tipped endoscope, instead of a passive fiber-optical one. Maybe they couldn’t find a fiber-optical endoscope long enough to reach through the several feet thick containment vessel wall? But they should have explained their choice.
    Next, how stupid was it to use something with no means of cleaning condensation off the lense, in that environment? So most of the footage they got was just useless blurs.

    Oh, but then there’s the moronic commentary. There’s no way to respond to all of it. Just a few:
    * “reactor fuel gone missing” Dear God, the ignorance makes me want to strangle whoever came up with that one. The camera view is of the cavity between the steel pressure vessel, and the concrete containment vessel, somewhere near the bottom of the PV, but not actually in the cavity below the PV. WHY would anyone expect to see fuel here, even if it did melt through the bottom of the PV (which it certainly has)?

    * “PV wall falling apart” (something like that) What? It’s steel many inches thick. It’s been exposed to hot, radioactive steam for nearly a year. So it’s very rusty. So what? It’s condition here is neither irrelevant nor surprising, since it’s a container with a bloody great hole melted through the bottom. Which we can’t see.

    (continued..)

  • TerraHertz TerraHertz

    (pt 2 of 3)
    * “Are you sitting down? Gamma rays seen in…” Yes? And…? Why is this surprising at all? This space is _normally_ extremely radioactive, even when things are all working fine. It’s why there is many feet thick of concrete outer containment wall, and a huge airlock door to access the space below the PV. Which is NEVER opened while the reactor is fueled up.

    * Ah, but then we get to the most stupid, ignorant thing of all. “You can actually see the Gamma radiation in the film as out-of-focus light streaks.” Wha….? No, the gamma radiation is causing the small rapid speckling effect. This is due to gamma rays passing through the semiconductor imaging element, inducing charge separations in the light sensor cells. The gammas are going through the sensor in all directions, which is why some speckles are dots, others are short streaks, and they appear as random colors (depends which Red, Green & Blue sensor cells they hit.)
    The large blurry white streaks… arrgh, I want to tear my hair out. How can anyone seriously believe those are radiation effects? It’s just… mindless. In this age, is there _anyone_ who hasn’t seen water drops passing close to a digital camera lense? (Especially when the only illumination is coming from right around the lense.)

    (continued..)

  • TerraHertz TerraHertz

    (pt 3 of 3)
    Meanwhile, do we hear ANY single sensible comment from TEPCO, about the one obvious conclusion that can be drawn from this video? No of course not. Because that conclusion is:
    Somewhere down below, outside the pressure vessel, something is producing a massive amount of heat, and boiling the water in contact with it. The steam rises up, condenses on the cooler sides of the PV and CV, and falls back down again. We see the steam, the resulting continuous ‘rain’ of water splashing everywhere as it falls down in this space, and we see the extremely high radiation level here. Note that TEPCO could not get their act together to add a radiation counter tube to that endoscope. They added a thermocouple probe (stuck on with heatshrink tubing) but a simple geiger muller tube, or better yet a high pressure H3 probe, apparently beyond them.

    Well, the melted core is down there somewhere. It’s boiling plenty of water, which is NOT ‘cold shutdown.’
    Tepco now absolutely cannot pretend they do not have sampling access to the cavity between PV & CV. A sample of the gas and water in that space, analyzed for isotopes present, would tell a great deal about what is going on down there. My bet is there’s still active fission going on. Whether it’s continuous, or ‘sputtering’ in bursts like Unit 3 has been doing… regular gas sample analysis, and radiation readings would tell us the truth.
    Which is why we won’t be hearing of TEPCO doing either.

    Bastards. TEPCO management deserve to be shot.

    • James2

      Thanks TerraHertz for this educated analysis.

      I still am flabberghasted that a bunch of folks sitting thousands of miles away in front of computers have to figure out, bit by bit, inch by inch, what’s going on here.

      Your analysis of the tools and methods used is spot on. It’s proof of either extreme incompetence or that this is another PR designed move – don’t they understand there are true professionals watching them, and lies cannot stand up?

      The one thing I disagree with you on is your anger with Tepco. It doesn’t exist anymore. I know there is probably a shell organization still making some decisions, but I’m assuming some Japanese government agency is now in control of everything. You really have to blame the Japanese government for directing this keystone kops action now. But furthermore the US government is complicit. Why aren’t they demanding the proper equipment be used? Why doesn’t the NRC offer any comments on the ongoing findings at fukushima – like this one?… Why?… Why?…

    • OK, now that we have that straightened out…

      Thanks, TerraHertz.

    • Do you believe #reactor and spent fuel pool are still there?

      WHERE IS FUKUSHIMA REACTOR 3?
      http://youtu.be/0ZBYQ5opMLs

      Analysis of #3 Explosion
      http://youtu.be/1Q3ljfLvHww

      Destroyed Spent Fuel Pool SFP3 of Reactor Unit 3 at Fukushima
      http://youtu.be/KugIrnThul0

      • James2

        Well AGreen – You’ve posted the first and 3rd video above multiple times and each time I question them.

        I will again say that the photos in the first one are fine, but the commentary is very incorrect. The third one does not show a destroyed pool. It shows an intact spent fuel pool with lots of explosion debris in it.

        However the second one is new to me – obviously has been out there for awhile – and I agree with it almost 100%. The only thing I don’t necessarily agree on is his opinion that it was a nuclear explosion (although he correctly qualifies that opinion)- it’s the best depiction of the verticality of the event I’ve seen.

        I think the most significant part of the video is bit at the end where he explains that the Fukashima Central Television took down the video – because presumably they don’t want people to do independent analysis on the situation.

        that one is a good link

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3ljfLvHww&feature=youtu.be

    • BeniJax

      Don’t shoot TEPCO executives, just relocate their corporate headquarters to Fuku-Daiichi…

    • Misitu

      Thanks for that clarification THz

    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @TerraHertz: spot-on analysis! Excuse the pun…

    • takedake

      OK, could well be. But don’t tear your hair out, and don’t think we’re all idiots if:

      -) we don’t accept TEPCO’s explanations (or in this case have to come up with explanations from 100s or 1000s of miles away, as you point out).

      -) many of us are skeptical of any and all explanations of the “oh it’s just —– (something harmless, in this case rain drops) because there is very, very heavy trolling, misinformation/disinformation going on. You must be aware of this.

      So count to ten, take some deep breaths, whatever it takes, and present your views. In fact, not that it matters what I myself think, but it seems my explanation above if pretty off the mark. I stand (probably) corrected.

      As to the state of the CV (not the PV, there’s only one PV/PCV); yes it’s just rust, but anyone who’s ever owned a car knows “rust never sleeps” and though it’s shallow right now, in ten years (plus constant brittling of the materials from radiation) how’s it gonna look? I guess we can wait for TEPCO to insert another less-than-optimal camera in there in 5-10 years and then come back here and argue about what in the hell it shows!

  • trinityfly trinityfly

    I wouldn’t want to be the guy who has to pull the endoscope out from the hole and have to deal with it, like putting it away!!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Radiation Effects on Personnel Performance Capability and a Summary of Dose Levels for Spent Research Reactor Fuels
    December 2005
    http://www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cppr/y2007/rpt/124368.pdf
    Nifty report…..

    • Terrorists and lethal radiation as protection from stealing spent nuclear fuel..
      http://www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cppr/y2007/rpt/124368.pdf

      “The dose rate of prevalent materials in storage at research reactor sites worldwide will fall below 100 Gy/h at ~2 h, ~100 h, and ~600 h for TRIGA, MTR, IRT-36, respectively. The assumed 100-Gy/h dose rate (used in Table 3) from spent fuel is, in fact, an upper bound expected. The current threshold dose rate for self-protection is 1 Gy/h (100 rad/h) at 1 m. A dose rate of 100 Gy/h (10,000 rad/h) at 1 m was determined to be the level that significantly affected performance and offered limited self-protection (in the range of minutes). Most reactor spent fuel worldwide falls below this level after a short time in storage (in the range of hours to weeks). Based on this analysis, this report finds that for research reactor spent fuel, self protection from a committed terrorist does not exist.”

      In other words, all spent nuclear fuel in all nuclear reactors worldwide, is subject to being stolen by committed terrorists, due to the fact that they can pick up spent fuel rods and steal them, and live long enough to actually do the deed.

      The scary part about all of this is that MOX fuel is easy to separate, into plutonium and uranium.

      Greenpeace I believe did some activism around this.. They walked into a nuclear power plant and got all the way into the control room, without ever being stopped.

      The odds of successfully guarding all spent fuel pools or storage casks and stopping all terrorists from stealing some nuclear spent fuel for the next million years is very remote.

      http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3069680

      • pacific

        @AGreenRoad, your list of fission products’ halflives is stunning.
        http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3069680

        I knew the general idea, that there are loads of different radionuclides produced by nuke plants and that some have very long halflives, but I had no idea. I want to put that on a t-shirt, or a poster, or a billboard. Even if the amounts are small, with tons of corium in play, it’s high time to take a look at them.

    • pacific

      Woah, macabre. Amazing.

    • pacific

      @HeartoftheRose, macabre report. Amazing.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        @pacific…yep..a sick,sick report… the experts know ALL about exposure to spent fuel….
        If the Japanese government sends the people back to Fukushima..they know what they are sending them into..
        ….an invisible chamber of death.

  • What? More lies from FUKU? Why does that NOT surprise me in the least?

    The coverup continues… Again, NO radiation meters, no readings of ANYTHING. As the posters above indicate, this is so simple to do for experts like this, that it boggles the mind that they did not include this in their probing.

    The FACT that there is massive radiation AND water vapor/steam indicates cold shutdown has NOT been achieved. This FACT again indicates how deeply in denial the powers that are in charge of this are. It also shows how deep the cover up goes into the bowels of the nuclear industry, the nuclear regulatory agencies (where were they during this probe) and the Japanese/US governments. NONE OF THEM pointed out the obvious.. NONE OF THEM have talked about what is really going on here.

    The SILENCE is deafening.

    Hear the radiation ROAR…. out of control, raging, nuclear fires in the form of 65 ton blobs moving downwards..

    Where are they?

    What are they doing?

    What kind of radiation are they releasing?

    The coverup continues…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Radioactive decay (gamma decay)
    “Gamma rays from radioactive gamma decay are produced alongside other forms of radiation such as alpha or beta, and are produced after the other types of decay occur. The mechanism is that when a nucleus emits an α or β particle, the daughter nucleus is usually left in an excited state. It can then move to a lower energy state by emitting a gamma ray, in much the same way that an atomic electron can jump to a lower energy state by emitting infrared, visible, or ultraviolet light. Emission of a gamma ray from an excited nuclear state typically requires only 10−12 seconds, and is thus nearly instantaneous, following types of radioactive decay that produce other radioactive particles. Gamma decay from excited states may also happen rapidly following nuclear reactions such as neutron capture, nuclear fission, or nuclear fusion.”
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gamma_photon

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Below containment nuclear activity…gamma..IMHO..

  • farawayfan farawayfan

    It’s not so much that there are gamma streaks on a camera in a reactor, it’s more that they deliberately used a camera that would fail to deliver any vital information, because they know that information would be bad. Otherwise, as several have mentioned, they would have used a more hardened fiber optic transmission with the camera outside the reactor. More superb coverup by providing minimal info while being able to declare successes.

  • I am curious why the ‘streaks’ seem to get much more intense at some point in this video?

    What would cause that? It looks like just a small amount and very little streaking going on in one place, like close to the rusted metal wall, and then a whole smorgasbord of MASSIVE amounts of stuff coming at the lens in another place..

    It almost seems like they got overwhelmed with what was going on there, and pulled back. What would they have found if they went further in that direction? Where were they going? Up, Down or Sideways?

    I am also curious as to why the lens never seemed to go out of focus with water droplets on the lens if all of this water and steam is just splashing around?

    Especially with steam.. why no steam droplets on the lens?

    Was this camera pointed UP, indicating water dripping down onto the lens at one point? And then, did they turn around and go DOWN, at some point?

    And if they are going UP and then DOWN, why are these streaks coming at the camera lens, while going in both directions? Can water drip both UP and DOWN, at the same time?

    How big is this endoscopic lens on the tip of this device? What shape is the lens? Is it flat, spherical, or concave?

    Is it treated with something to keep water from sticking to it?

    Does it have a wiping mechanism that we cannot see that keeps steam and/or water droplets off of it?

    I am not disputing anything said above because I know way less about all of this; I am a rank amateur.. but I am wondering and curious as to these things…

    Can someone please splain all this to a hillbilly like me, that never been inside of a steamin reactor vesl?

    Is this video going to be showing us exactly what happens if a put a digital endoscopic camera lens into a HOT steam bath and point it up at a dripping ceiling and a wall and then at the floor? We should be able to duplicate these results in a hot steam bath, right?

    Anyone want to experiment in a dark, hot steam bath, (minus the…

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Wonderful questions, AGR. It’s got me thinking about what we (the Enenews community) are good at and what we are not good at. I think we are very good at:

      1. Flagging many (but not all) conflicts of interest from people who speak about energy issues.

      2. Flagging many (but not all) lies, exaggerations, half-truths, omissions, and the like from people who speak about energy issues.

      3. Identifying possible explanations for phenomena other than the ones offered by the media.

      4. Digging out bits of the story that would not otherwise be visible.

      5. Helping each other to achieve clarity as best we can.

      6. Sharing all the above so that it synergistically improves.

      What I think we (collectively) are not good at is:

      1. Discovering exactly what happened, what is happening, or what will happen.

      This is not our fault. We don’t have direct access to most of the information or tools we would need, and we operate in a very noisy environment – often noise of our own making. One person wants to earnestly debate the value of rems vs. Sieverts, the next person wants to tell us it is obvious that the Martian agents are in collusion with the Satanists from Venus (or whatever), a third person wants to change the subject to politics or organic gardening or the weather where (s)he lives, while a fourth person might be an aggressive industry troll.

      We’re pretty good, all things considered. Much better than msm, government, or the industry. Keep it up!

      As for the answers to your questions… I don’t have a clue, but I’d like to know too.

    • TerraHertz TerraHertz

      >I am curious why the ‘streaks’ seem to get much more intense at some point in this video?

      There’d be multiple souces of radiation here. Some would be nearby, such as isotopes in the steam, on surfaces, etc. There’d also likely be ‘beams’ of high energy gamma from sources down below, passing through gaps in structures between here and the melted core. So, move the camera around, get areas of different intensity. Same thing found in Chernobyl building – even a few inches can make massive difference in radiation intensity.

      Also the falling water was in various streams and random drops spashing off stuff. As you’d expect.

      >It almost seems like they got overwhelmed with what was going on there, and pulled back. What would they have found if they went further in that direction? Where were they going? Up, Down or Sideways?

      http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/01/full-video-of-reactor-2-containment.html
      Full Video of Inside the Reactor 2 Containment Vessel

      http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120120_01-e.pdf
      “By the way, TEPCO released the photographs of the endoscope that was used, as if it was the hero of the operation.”

      The probe shaft was mostly flexible but not steerable under control. Right at the end there’s a short flexible bit that can be steered. If you’ve ever used a ‘camera on a stalk’ to inspect a wall cavity or pipework, you’ll understand what happened. You lose any sense of up or down, and scale gets very misleading too. Add frequent water-on-lense image loss (look at the original full videos) plus rapid radiation degradation of the image sensor, and you’ll see why this whole exercise was pretty pointless.

      >[lense, water drops, steam]

      See the SKF article. MOST footage was useless for this reason.

      >[view direction, falling water]

      They were twisting it around, sometimes up, down, sideways…

      • TerraHertz TerraHertz

        >Does it have a wiping mechanism that we cannot see that keeps steam and/or water droplets off of it?

        See the pics. No cleaning mechanism. It might be heated maybe?

        >Can someone please splain all this to a hillbilly like me, that never been inside of a steamin reactor vesl?

        The best thing about using your imagination, is it doesn’t (usually) kill you.

  • 3C

    here are three thoughts I would like to introduce:
    1) micro circuits do not play well in radioactive
    environments and that is why the endoscope is
    used – removing the electronics some distance away
    from the fry-pan. Still a noisey image is seen.
    2) If I recall correctly, glass is also subjected
    to clouding in an intense radioactive environment
    and therefore a “special” endoscope must be introduced.
    3) Perhaps what we are seeing is a cloud chamber effect
    since there is steam and there are radioactive
    events occuring. The traces will be visable and have
    some persistance.

  • entropy

    When I watched the vid I had a feeling it wasn’t water, doesn’t react right. It does help tepcos lie that there actually water in there. Then I read this on ABC. ‘Workers ultimately were able to bring the reactors under control, but at the time, it was unclear whether emergency measures would succeed. Kan commissioned the report, compiled by the Japan Atomic Energy Commission, to examine what options the government had if those efforts failed.’
    Sickening. Literally.

  • Dr. Awesome Dr. Awesome

    Pretty soon all of our home videos will look like this.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    well
    we are here on the way to be become an own part
    in the *big-book-of-internet*
    that will be calling
    “THE UNCONNECTED-NETCONNECTION-BOARDING-CREW”…

    and it makes me sad to be a part of it so let me try to doe some first aid for us all and not because i’m the writer of the comments.
    that’s the reason why i repost them
    (because i’m the only one here who remembers on it?):
    (and yape, i didn’t used *gamma-ray* in the text.
    thats why it is better to read first here and to write then a neww topic.and not to use the search-func.)

    anyways my friends, at the time i had posted them i didn’t really believes in the gammy ray theorie.
    for me was it just what it was, a videorecord from the same camera taken in some practic tests inside reactor nr 5.
    and there waere the rays at verry bit slower as inside nummero due.

    January 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm i posted slomo videos of rays taken inside rea5, with workers in the background and floors:

    air-flowing-radio-fishies?
    a bigger one:

    more:

    and more:

    i made gifs and posted them too:

    frame by frame/
    orin has 29.97 frames per sec/
    here are 17 frames in a gif/
    means orin time 0.6 sec/

    nuckelchen nuckelchen

    here are slomos from reactor 2 :

    and what me makes nervous too is the shiny colors in one of the videos.
    i take and cutted only a part of the video and make some sound with it.
    2step-tekkno-video making for dummies.

    i mailed with the author of the following side and he updated his side with that what he had answered to me.
    so you can find there what he said about the fast white flushes:
    http://www.tec-sim.de/

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Mikey, you’re funny.

    So, you think it’s that bad.

    I do too but am wondering ‘how bad’ it is. (Also keep hoping I’m going to wake up from this nightmare pretty soon.)

    Geeze now I’m remembering reports from people ‘in the chair’ at Montauk coming back from visionary trips to the future & seeing an Earth devoid of human/animal life.

    Also I just recently recalled that at a time when I was meditating (Zen style) & I think it opened me up a bit to the ‘unseen realms’ – I started having ‘false awakening’ type lucid dreams, in which I became aware of ‘entities’/presences in the apt. hanging around. (Yes, it was rather ‘creepy.) So at one point I decided if this happened again I would try to communicate with these presences. It did happen again & I in the lucid dreaming state mentally asked “Who are you?”

    Immediately I felt a buzzing vibration emanating from the third eye point (it was very relaxing, spread over my entire body). Then I saw a ‘vision’ like on a TV screen in sepia & white, not b&W for some reason. A crowd of people were running, were afraid. Then they turned & looked back to where they had been running from & saw the big classic ‘mushroom cloud’ explosion. Then I ‘was shown’ – that was what it felt like – images of a kid, kind of a vulnerable, loveable dark silhouette (who I felt was my pre-school-age son) – then the same image again (years later I wondered if that was my second son, who hadn’t been born at that time).

    That was it, a short ‘experience’. I felt very grateful for some reason & mentally said ‘thank you.’ It was like ‘they’ were warning me about the dangers of nuclear power.

    I have vague memories of reading about ‘off-planet entities’ hanging around a lot more & becoming very concerned, once we here on Earth started messing with nuclear technology.

    Don’t peg me as airy-fairy. I am a died-in-the-wool sceptic. Sceptical to a fault. But… that ‘visionary’ experience had come back…

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Correction – I think it is skeptic & skeptical isn’t it and also the visionary experience ‘has’ come back (to memory) not ‘had come back.’

    Problem is that it is hard to proof for content and spelling etc. errors at same time. I proof for content and inadvertantly over-look the spelling and grammar errors.

    btw this experience happened over 35 years ago. (I did not keep on with the meditation. It got pretty ‘heavy.’ It works but can open up doors that have been closed for a reason – like, scary stuff behind them. The best thing is to persevere. But it kind of freaked me out. You do confront all your ‘betes noir’. )

    Anyway, who knows, but I think some kind of entities were concerned about us opening the nuclear Pandora’s box and were hanging around trying to warn people.

    Guess they didn’t get thru to the right people, did they? (That was kind of my ironic thought at the time – hey, guys, I’m dead set against all this nuclear madness – you’re preaching to the choir).

    • StillJill StillJill

      Very cool blades. I believe in guides,….you betcha! 🙂

      Have had a few ‘visitations’ myself! Thanks for the story!

  • johnnie

    Look I built/designed endoscopes for the green field decommissioning of the Calderhall reactor at Windscale/Sellafield in the UK. The light source and the digital camera are housed in the control box which is held in the operators hands. In the control box there is a powerful light source which using glass fibers shines out of the end of the probe. At the end of the probe there is a lens which using glass fibers sends a picture to the digital camera inside the control box. This is done because no camera can take anywhere near 1000 sieverts, not even 5 sieverts.
    This means that the control box was exposed to very high levels of radiation (looking at the pictures in my experience in designing these scopes I’d say about 100 sieverts. One minute of that and you have a 80% chance of dying of ARS within 2 to 3 months. This filming took 70 minutes.
    Or (and this is what I believe) the light flecks on the film released by TEPCo has had them added afterwards, the larger fleckes are just anomalies from the computer code used to add the effect. they are extremely unlikely to be gamma rays due to the fact that they travel at 300,000,000 meters per SECOND. Seeing a gamma ray is an extremely difficult process using super-heated liquid hydrogen. The guy who discovered it, postulated the idea, it then took him ten years and a Nobel prize to actually get it to work.
    What I am saying is that they are not bloody gamma rays for God’s sake!. I don’t trust TEPCo or the Japanese government as far as I could throw them, but if they are gamma rays then somebody at Olympus optics will be getting a nomination for a Nobel prize for physics.
    Wow that was a proper rant even for me. I appologise now for any offence I may have cause you unless you represent TEPCo, the Japanese government, IAEA, JAEA, NISA, NRC, Etc, Etc.

  • steve from virginia

    Not much controversy: the large ‘streaks’ are water spraying from a broken pipe or gasketed flange higher in the containment. Tepco is still pumping 10 tons of water into the reactor 2 every hour.

    In one of the videos there is large crack visible in the wall for short period (1 second).

    In another this appears to be a lot of metal debris, piping, hardware and other ‘junk’ at the bottom between the pressure vessel and the wall of the containment.

    A lot of steam, a lot of water, no radiation info. All of this should have been done months ago …

  • PattieB PattieB

    The cam that they drilled-inserted into #2? It was only through the OUTER containment wall. NOT the inner steel reactor vessal.

    A: if core was intact?… there would be no water for them to see.
    B: if main core alone breached?… that area should have been FILLED with water.
    C: The corium… like Elvis!… HAS LEFT THE BUILDING! they keep putting water into the center core… it goes out the bottom… follows the corium down into the earth… heats to steam, and condenses on the interior of the lower plant. That’s why it’s raining radioactive water in the cam, and rusting the HELL out of everything