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“Oh, well that’s just beautiful… That just beats it all…”
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“How long ’till it blows?”
I’m so wrong for that.
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“Someone’s going to have to go out and patch-in manually…”
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“Hell, I’m not going out there! With those things running around, you can count me out!”
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Personally, I’m waiting for Godzilla to show up. So far all I’ve seen is Bumzilla.
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“I guess we can count you out of everything…”
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And we used to worry about runaway Toyota’s !
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Water Level Point measurement dropped significantly: http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/
Don’t know if this means anything or if TEPCO would say instruments are malfunctioning. Maybe someone with knowledge of nuclear plants can determine meaning.
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• Japanese Atomic Industrial Forum (JAIF) reports, which record such key factors as conditions of core and fuel integrity, water level and containment.
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/
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“…chief cabinet secretary Yukido Edano said previous radioactivity levels were misreported in microsieverts instead of millisieverts – 1,000 times stronger. Earlier he said the situation isn’t similar to Chernobyl. In fact, potentially it’s far graver, unprecedented.”
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“I say we nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure…”
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“Fuckin’ A Man!”
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“Guess she don’t like the cornbread either…”
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“Bishop, do the thing with the knife!”
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“Is this gonna be another bug hunt?”
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And behold, here come more “atypical pneumonias” and other associated ailment reports from elevated CDC ILI/P&I in Boise to Mexico as far as Clarendon, UK…:
http://www.kpsplocal2.com/Content/Whats-Going-Around/story/Week-of-April-12-Gastroenteritis-Pneumonia/CUm14J6kzky9vJktaYJl5A.cspx
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There are reports of Mexican H1N1 strains migrating USA-way,
and they have been heavily chemtrailing to skies around here
for a few days. Guess they can change out their fluid-load and
just croak us all whenever the Hatches on the Elite Bunkers are
sealed, and the last Security Guard exchanges shots with
the Last Gangster at the airport baggage compartment.
I ate some grapes which I admit tasted like pesticide yesterday.
Foods gonna disappear.
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Just to add a little more to the paranoia, compare this…
“The viral gastroenteritis going around La Quinta last week, is still hanging around, mainly hitting younger people. This starts with vomiting, and moves on to 8-12 hours of diarrhea. This will usually get better with fluids, but see your doctor if your symptoms are severe, and don’t get better in 36 hours. Dr. Erica Ruiz has also treated the flu. Symptoms include a fever, sore throat, cough, vomiting, then diarrhea that last for about three days. The cough will persist for up to two weeks, so if your symptoms are severe, you may want to see your doctor. As the weather gets warmer Dr. Ruiz says she is treating lots of cases of hemorrhoid flare-ups. “These are painful areas that can bleed and cause patients severe distress. Avoid this by drinking two or more 8 ounce glasses of water every day as the weather warms, and avoiding constipation.”
… to the Mayo Clinic’s list of symptoms for radiation sickness:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/radiation-sickness/DS00432/DSECTION=symptoms
But before anyone jumps to the conclusion that it may actually be radiation sickness, there are lots of common things that can cause the symptoms they’re reporting. But if everyone’s hair starts falling out, I’d be really concerned.
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Now that I thought about it some more, I’m getting a little more concerned. Is this the typical pattern when there’s radiation exposure from a nuclear incident? I’m guessing that’s the point Mothra was making?
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Plausibility !
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My cat looks scruffy !
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They got us?
I refuse to die.
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Baseball player Joe Mauer suffering from extreme flu-like symptoms in Tampa Bay.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/04/15/mauer.illness.ap/index.html
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Board Postings of people ill ?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1419982/pg2
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Since a person could go crazy from the abject lack of coverage on Japan’s continuing MEGA-disaster, could someone -even the administrator of site- PLEASE tell me what the current death toll is in Japan from the main earthquake and tsunami?!!!
Shouldn’t this be relevant on our nightly news??! Not to mention the nightmare reactor meltdowns!…VERY RELEVANT to all!
Japan is in the G7, home of the Kyoto Protocol, and member of the United Nations, IMF, and World Bank. Now they’re being ignored and getting the cold shoulder? They hold much of our debt—second only to China!!! They were a huge economic player in the world, key trade partner, etc. Even the Yen currency was a universal safe haven…
…Well, they deserve more coverage!!! This creeps me out! It’s like the powers that be want revenge for something by slighting them in their time of need. The Japanese have a strong reputation for saving and financial honesty and honor, in contrast to recent western and corporate philosophies!!!…(query that)
Back to my original question:
In March, I remember that Japan was keeping a meticulous, confirmed count of the loss, not just estimates. The last I heard a few weeks ago was 20,000 plus dead? That’s crazy in such an advanced country. Could someone fill me in on this?? Thanks!
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I just read the count today and it was over 30,000. I can’t remember the exact figure perhaps my brain just did not want to hang on to that dire info. I also wonder about this viral bug, I know it’s not possible but it sure sounds similar to RD poisoning but I the numbers were too low so it must be a virus.
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@Dan, yes. That’s the point I’m making from many accounts of Chernobyl which only lasted 10 days and expelled 60% of its 190 tons of fuel. Fukushima is a month so far, 900 miles closer than Belarus and 1,900 tons of fuel with Mox plutonium. It’s really not just the morbidly high threshold of cancer that begins in the first month – it’s the atypical ailments first among high risk groups. Here are a few from those with experience having lived it. I have scientific studies too:
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/137/
http://www.natural-health-home-remedies.com/radiation.html
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Thanks. I quickly scanned the article from the onion, and it confirmed my gut feeling about not starting a garden this year. I’ll read more later, after I get some work done.
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Just a note: I wouldn’t take medical advice from those acounts or consume I-131, Cs-134 & 137 laced raw grazing animal milk if you paid me right now. A better study verified list is here instead:
http://drmpatterson.vpweb.com/Newsletter-Archive.html
Easy peasy. France’s CRIIRAD has recs too (cut fresh milk and fresh milk cheeses, wash those leafy greens, and be cautious of rain outs on the US West Coast hit 8-10 times harder than France). Bless ya’ll and your peeps!
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Mothra,
Thanks for the info. I lived near TMI and decided to stay and now I have MS albeit very mild as I’m still ambulatory and suffer from fatigue, pain, etc. but I’m lucky compared to others.Thus I’m concerned for my kids more than myself at this juncture and will not make the same mistake twice as we were lied to and told releases were minor, etc. and this is much worse, much worse and I’m not one to panic and I’m not going to panic but I will protect my children. Thanks again.
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Heavier fallout here in Florida (east coast), Will be looking for the symtoms in main media crowd !
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Your own garden or greenhouse would be safer than some other sources. Think protective sheeting for rain outs, and/or moveable containers.
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I wish I had a greenhouse, but I can’t afford one right now. And I considered other forms of protective covering, but it’s just not going to be practical for me this year. So I decided my best bet is to stock up on food that’s been harvested before the accident. I’m going to miss gardening this year, but I don’t to grow radioactive beans:)
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“don’t to grow radioactive beans”
You bet !
The un-nuked ones a bad enough the next day !
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CNN just said they’ll have this cleaned-up in 6 months! I was beginning to get worried…
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I feel much better now. Thank you.
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And was that before or after the gulf is made whole again?
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Yes, we have been hearing a lot about how friendly radiation is for you these days, hard to wash the minds of them that used to play Duck and Cover in School ! People should read up on all material published before this event seeing how things may be deliberately distorted, or we have dumbed down News Persons to allow the sunbathers in Florida Spring Break, from Duck and Cover to Don’t Worry Be Happy !
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I played Duck and Cover in school too. We used to have Air Raid Drills during the Cuban missile crisis, when I was in first grade. Certain areas of schools and public buildings were designated as Fallout Shelters. We were much more aware of and worried about radiation back then.
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Just like BP in the Gulf !
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Try to find a Fallout Shelter these days !
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We played “duck and cover” too, but it didn’t have anything to do with this… ;-p
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They are still “cleaning up” Chernobyl from 1986. Clean up lasts as long as the half-life. That’s 80 days for I-131 to 150 years for cesium, strontium and up to tens of thousands of years for plutonium from the day it stops. Radionuclides can be in low concentration, but their ENERGY is their half-life in air, water, food or human tissue. But, hey, let’s hope for September to a decade. Magically. Or, I guess they could entomb it from the slow-roll low dose chronic alpha and beta exposure beast it is worldwide? It’s going to take folks a while to really understand what we’re facing. I want you to be safe and cautious.
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whats the problem?Now you won’t need to turn on the light to find your tuna sandwich…just look for the pale green glow and don’t worry about it being dry,thanks to bp it will slide down easily aided by petrochemicals lubricating your throat.Next week,aliens will come to harvest radioactive well lubricated human sandwiches……
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Mothra thanks for the GREAT links. re growing your own cheaply – you can get clear plastic and pvc pipe and make covers for your beds… cheaply.
Re chernobyl… it ain’t over yet. there is a small vocal cadre in Russia screaming about how the containment sarcophagus (sp?) is failing. As in… the monster is about to escape. but Chernobyl bankrupted Russia as Fukishima is bankrupting Japan so there is no money to fix the containment over the reactor. which means…its only a matter of time. But then I guess you can say same for the caulderon in Yosemite.. hows being toast feeling to ya?
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Is there anything else going to hell in a hand basket?
I wonder if there are going to be grubs under the grass this year?
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They’ve switched the camera off now. What a surprise!
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Just like BP would do in the Gulf !
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Listen.
In 2010, 20 000 cheeps in Norway, had to undergo a starving perionde before slaugter, just to get the Level of radiation(cesium half time 30 years) down to a leagal level.
Becasue of something that happened 26 years ago.
And they say that its a problem for yet another 30 years, and thats a optimistic calculation.
This is realy a serious problem.
This goes beyound The Gulf incident.
To shuffle this under anything is just foling one self, and nothing else.
Some ridecoule this as a scearmongering, to me who live in a fallout zone, that just undelines their Ignorance.
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Anyone who wouldn’t use some sane, simple, low-cost, effective, preventionary exposure caution during the largest global nuclear event in history is either nuts or trying to sell you something or both. At any rate, I care about me, my family, friends, pets and anonymous people who can’t fend for themselves ie children – what’s the name for that? Quality of life matters. I don’t need an oncologist or increased med bills to tell me that exposure reduction is prime – later. It’s really easy. Little adjustments mean a lot: diet, rest, exercise, hydration, hygiene. It’s flu season anyway. Know your pathways. It’s like checking the weather, then you can relax and get back to enjoyable things:
N. America advisory:
http://www.nirs.org/fukushima/radcombined.htm
Food pathways:
http://www.healwithfood.org/articles/foods-radioactive-contamination-risk.php
Check food chain entrance level data:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling
Dispersion forecasts NILU:
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH
*Also at U. of Maryland ATMOS, EURAD & ZAMG
It doesn’t have to cost money. Wet a sheet with duct tape for open window air exchange during advisories. Take a quick rinse shower in the evening. Leave rain gear and shoes at the door. RO and ion exchange with carbon home water filters are everywhere if you want one. Daily multivitamins are cheap and some include potassium iodide 150 mcg (that’s little mc – for micro). Aged cheeses are abundant and temporary diet substitutions are bountiful. Cesium leeches from lean meats if you brine or marinade them – BBQ season, hellooo! Wash those fruits and veggies. No worries.
And, an open letter to esteemed Nuclear Physicists and skeptics:
“Conclusion? Simply this: that the biological effects of radiation (in terms of increased occurrences of cancer, leukemia, and genetic damage) are linearly related to the accumulated dose of radiation received, regardless of whether it’s a big dose administered all at once or a small dose administered over a long period of time.”
http://www.ccnr.org/open_letter.html
*To everyone else, I hope you have a long, happy time to ridicule me
, but I still won’t eat certain wild mushrooms from N. Hemisphere right now:
http://www.healwithfood.org/articles/mushrooms-radioactive-cesium-nuclear.php
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30 years is just the half-life, for to be completely gone would be more like this =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life
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Gophers disappeared from our front yard a few days ago. Radiation is useful getting rid of rodent infestation!
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