‘Sobering’ Results: Ocean currents keeping radiation from being diluted — Highest cesium values not necessarily closest to Fukushima

Published: September 29th, 2011 at 2:09 am ET
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SOURCE: NCOM Japan

Fukushima’s Contamination Produces Some Surprises at Sea, New York Times, September 27, 2011:

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[… R]ather than being spread through the whole ocean, currents are keeping a lot of the [radioactive] material concentrated. […]

While [Ken Buesseler, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, who in 1986 studied the effects of the Chernobyl disaster on the Black Sea] declined to provide details of the findings before analysis is complete and published, he said the broad results were sobering. […]

The study also found that the highest cesium values were not necessarily from the samples collected closest to Fukushima, he said, because eddies in the ocean currents keep the material from being diluted in some spots farther offshore. […]

Published: September 29th, 2011 at 2:09 am ET
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52 comments to ‘Sobering’ Results: Ocean currents keeping radiation from being diluted — Highest cesium values not necessarily closest to Fukushima

  • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com

    Dilution doesn’t matter unless the radioactive elements go to Davy Jones locker, say below 1000 feet and they stay there and only contaminate the deep creatures, however we know that whales, and marlin dive much deeper and are the Apex predators, aggregating bad stuff such as Mercury and Fuk-U products.

    after 500 years, much will be neglible. However the uranium and plutonium progeny will likely to continue to be bad for way longer than our lives.

  • NONO NONO

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/09/news-how-late-are-we/#comments

    We should have evacuated from Tokyo before 3/15.

    Here are the tweets of an actual worker of Fukushima,

    Happy20790 ハッピー
    1号機の水素単体測定終わりました!発表したかなぁ…?水素単体濃度を測定するのはあまりポピュラーじゃないみたいで専門業者が来てました。結果は可燃性ガス100%中の約60%が水素みたいです。

    We done measuring hydrogen amount in reactor 1. It seems to be an abnormal test, specialists came to the plant.

    The result was 60% = hydrogen. The rest is full of other kinds of flammable gas.

    やっぱり4%どころの話じゃないぞっ(*_*)もんじゅのナトリウムじゃないけど、空気に触れてもヤバいよ。置換や大気解放も無理だから対象配管切断部の前後の隔離弁を使って窒素で押し込むしか方法がないかも…。隔離弁がしっかり気密を保れればいいけど…。

    It may explode only if it touches air. It can’t be released or replaced by nitrogen, so we can only inject nitrogen from isolation valves. hope it doesn’t let air come into the pipe..

    いずれにしても100%安全じゃないとなぁ…。事故後、収束に向けて今まで色々やったけど一番厄介な作業かも。いま原発を誘致してる町や市や県の自治体は福島浜通りや現場の現状を足を運んで実際にしっかり見てほしい。

    Since 311,we have done variety of the works but this is the most tricky mission.

    Now (at least ) reactor 1 can explode at any moment.

    Now insanity has become sanity.

    Sanity has become insanity.

  • arclight arclight

    “The project, financed primarily by the Moore Foundation after governments declined to participate, continued to receive samples from Japanese cruises into July.”

    and this

    “When we saw the numbers — hundreds of millions of becquerels — we knew this was the largest delivery of radiation into the ocean ever seen,’’ he said. ‘‘We still don’t know how much was released.’’”

    so why didnt “the governments want to support this research? i bet if i wanted funding for the beneficial effects of isotopes, i would get it straight away!!

  • tomb1

    I stopped eating any fish from the pacific ocean after 3/11. Nearly all tuna I can buy here (Europe) comes from there.

  • Kind of a bone chilling thought, Where is all this radiation heading???

    • Sickputer

      Coming to a Red Lobster plate near you….

    • Toadmac

      Hi Jake, just finishing my video of my latest counter tests in Melbourne, Australia. My findings are shocking? Rain from the north always shows much much higher readings! I don’t know if this is the radiation you are talking or something else? I have conducted many many test samples and have found some of them alarming. Hope to have this vid up soon and paste a link. I have much video evidence and will post more findings over time.

      VIDEO OF LATEST COUNTER TEST COMING SOON!!!!

      Peace.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi Tadmac

        Could this be from mining uranium?
        Did you ever check radiation levels before Fukushima?

        • WindorSolarPlease

          Correction: Sorry..Toadmac

          I need an edit button

          • Toadmac

            No readings from before the disaster. But I will say this, readings over the last four months are getting higher every time I test! This is getting very suspicious for me. When I get the video up I will invite anyone to a location of there choice (in Melbourne) and prove the counter and do a sample in front of them. Lets see how many real scientists take my offer up to debunk it on film. Only when rains come from the northern directions.

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Do you know if they have been doing a lot of mining or are storing radioactive things there?

            If this is from Fukushima then this is spreading faster than I ever thought possible.
            However, I know there is mining there.

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Wonder if the sale of uranium is down, so they are storing more than usual?

          • Toadmac

            I don’t know? but the the tests are getting scary! I took my counter to work because of the direction of rain yesterday to show a crowd of on lookers. The very first test showed 8.5 uSv/hr. The most upsetting thing was not the test but out of 11 people 6 just walked away shaking there heads and two accused me of trickery? I did it in front of there eyes the best way possible 🙁

          • Toadmac

            P.S. This is why I want a scientist of some understanding to debunk me on film. Bring it on for the people. I am not scared at all and I suspect anyone with knowledge of it would not dare as they will know its true.

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Is there a way you can get people who have been testing for years, with their Geiger Counters together to check this out?

            Maybe it’s time to start Geiger Counter Clubs? I think it’s better when you use more than one counter and more than just one person.

            Are you sure your counter is calibrated correctly?

          • Toadmac

            I could not tell you if it is reading exact? I have always used a 1 microcurie of americium 241 test source since receiving my counter. It always shows around the same reading consistently depending on background levels +/- about .05 uSv/hr. So my conclusion is it is correct. Like I say, any credible scientist wants to debunk me on film… I will be waiting!!

          • Toadmac

            Video conversion complete. Now to upload!

            New to this and its been a struggle because of other commitments.
            ALMOST THERE 🙂 I will sort the vid out then probably go to bed. 24hrs and hoping it will be up and running and going viral.

            SUCK MY FAT ONE SHILLS!!

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Since you are letting your findings be known, I hope that others will also do the same.

            Hopefully your readings will go down from now on.

            Can you post your video here?

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Is there a way to detect if this is coming from the mines or Fukushima?

          • WindorSolarPlease

            I am thinking this is about mining and storage, but this is a guess.

          • Toadmac

            Help! My video wont go through to aussie cannon ball? The format is avi hd vid for youtube at 261mb? Is it to big or what is wrong? Sending via email. Can anyone tell me how to get this up on youtube without an account as it was banned a while ago.

      • Toadmac,
        This sounds logical to me, the winds would be crossed from Pacific drift and with jet stream dipping more radioactivevity would seem to be exspected !
        Thanks for all you do mate !
        Post from down below here :
        If about half walked away, they may be eating the normal foods and have taken no precautions, .. right !

    • DaughterProduct

      Maybe this is where it’s going? There are photos, really sad to see…

      http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=BH-20111013-32661-USA

      “A mysterious and potentially widespread disease is thought to have contributed to the deaths of dozens of ringed seals along Alaska’s Arctic coast. Scores more are sickened, some so ill that skin lesions bleed when touched.”

      Link to the update-

      http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_update_read&edis_id=BH-20111013-32661-USA&uid=11572

      “Similar cases of the mystery illness have been reported in Russia and Canada, as well as in some walruses in Alaska. Lab tests for the disease’s origin have been “inconclusive,” and officials said it “is not known if the condition can be passed from the seals to humans.” NOAA warned against eating any sick or diseased animals or handling them without proper protection garments.”

  • Sickputer

    As I have written earlier the Woods Holes bunch are a-holes. They found huge radioactive water samples in the millions of becquerels, yet are quoted by the NYT as “The good news is that researchers found the entire region 20 to 400 miles offshore had radiation levels too low to be an immediate threat to humans.”

    Their study will be released when it is politically feasible…meaning half of the Japanese are near death’s door.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Woods Hole…These are the same clowns that,,that reported hydrocarbon plumes at the site of the DWH..but somehow now… in complete denial.
    Suprises?..these are scientists …..in their own turf.
    They aren’t suprised ..they KNOW.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Wow..two “thats”..in the post above.
    Woods Hole=Crimes Against Humanity

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..For those offended by my agitated state this morning..
    ..this is an infoWAR…nothing MORE.. nothing LESS…
    Let it be well done.

    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Mungo: Very interesting. If it was an explosion, it was more likely nuclear or hydro-nuclear and because it’s not a highly engineering nuclear bomb, the burn off in the explosion of the fuel component will be VERY inefficient, meaning, there’s plenty of corium left over. However, the explosion, aside from releasing, in an acute peak of radioactivity, a lot more radionuclides into the environment, will have plenty of corium left over. On the other hand, the corium that is left, may, fingers crossed (or not, there are other perspectives, of course), been splattered into the wrong shape and mass to continue fissioning, which could prevent future explosions from THAT corium which just blew. However, it will make cleaning up the site, excavation maybe more difficult by spreading out what’s left of the corium that much more in a distributed, small pieces, configuration. Or, due to the geology of the explosion event, the remaining corium could just re-coalesce. The other two or more coriums underground may or may not have been effected by this underground blast.

  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    I’m curious to see if all the coriums underground at FukuDai were involved, or if one or more of the coriums saw their geometry temporarily or permanently changed to, we can only hope, a disrupted shape (ramified/flattened out, particalized) to disrupt the ongoing fissioning that has been the pattern up until this expected (though unpredictable in timing) hydro-nuclear event.

    How much have cooling operations at FukuDai been effected for the remaining sources of fuel for other coriums and SF? Has there been a subsequent burn-up and meltdown of the fuel in SFP at R4 and/or at the CSFP? Is the likelihood of a SF event at any of the remaining reactors or at the CSFP even more likely now?

    How has this hydro-nuclear explosion changed the ambient radioactivity at the site? How will this effect operations from this point forward?

    I also wonder if this event will effect the management, as localized as it is, or cooling of whatever is in R5 and R6 at the site?

    With a hydro-nuclear explosion, a cavity is likely to have been created under the plants at very shallow depth that will definitely seriously affect the structural integrity of whatever remains above of the already seriously damaged and structurally compromised reactor and associated buildings at the FukuDai site.

  • voltscommissar

    I assume the whoi.edu research project was notified here back in June, but to refresh, see News Release : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution to Lead Expedition to Measure Radioactive Contaminants in the Pacific Ocean

    ..and despite the interesting media coverage in the NYT blog, Woods Hole has not botered yet to report their preliminary/interim findings on their web site. Of course this may all be irrelevant if the reported “explosion” was corium or one of the SFPs going prompt criticality again

    • voltscommissar

      According to Gundersen, the one thing we don’t want it to be is Unit 4 SFP collapsing, as that basically means goodbye Eastern Japan. Maybe even a “natural” magnitude 5 aftershock might do this if it is very shallow and directly beneath, i.e. disaster might ensue even if it was not a corium/steam explosion

  • Stlouieishot

    you know the thing ive noticed on here over the months is that when someone takes readings with a a counter and posts results or posts a video you guys sure are quick to assume that they are wrong somehow.

    toadmac is reporting high readings every time it rains and when the rain comes from the north. your response is ” its uranium mining” he replies that its only when it comes from the north, aka fuku’s direction, your reply is ” i know theres uranium mining somewhere there”

    you’re just like the people he encountered on the street, you just dont want to believe what you’re being told unless its from a scientist even if he’s using the same equipment to measure the counts. you people have been conditioned so hard over the course of your lives to not believe anything unless it comes from a “professional” even though most meters are pretty much idiot proof.
    you guys gave the exact same response to the guy in st louis who posted a vid of him wiping rain water off his truck and placing his meter on top of the towel ” oh his meter isnt calibrated” “he rigged his meter” etc etc. if his meter was rigged or miscalibrated ( doubt it, hes using a $600 detector) it wouldve shown high readings right off the bat, not normal back ground radiation untill he places the meter on the towel. what do you think he did ? scattered uranium powder on his ruck so he could take high readings and say “look at me!”?
    we are living in some really odd times, expect to see weird things you didnt expect to see.
    if you use some deductive reasoning when you see stuff like that you can answer 95% of your questions yourself.
    when you guys jump to conclusions and assume measurements that people take are wrong, you’re going to chase these people off and they are doing us a HUGE favor by taking the time to measure and post results.
    remember, these are the good guys not industry shills who are trying to throw you off the path to the truth.

    ok rant over…

    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear StLouie: Not all of us are saying posters of privately collected data are wrong, if anyone is really saying that–if you look at the totality of their posts. In fact, I personally encourage CIVILIAN–regular person off the street, data collection. Distributed civilian, scientist or NOT, data collection is definitely a one of a number of revolutionary and democratizing keys to undermining the news blackout around FukuDai and any other nuke science related blunder. The nuke industry is absolutely covert run with ZERO transparency for all intents and purposes–or their data is finally made available and often THEN redacted only decades later, if ever. EVERYONE posting data that they’ve collected is WANTED and NEEDED. I just ignore negative comments myself, unless they have some merit and then if there is SOME merit, I try to balance that viewpoint out with other reference points I’m evolving in my own research on this matter with the good that’s being done by OTHER people/posters/indepedent collectors of data on whatever topic.

      It’s important to press ahead and keep researching and sharing. Don’t worry about being torn down by others–erroneously or not; it’s just a natural, if messy and very human, part of the information vetting process. I learn a LOT through both valid AND invalid criticisms of my work. Yeah, criticisms (particularly unfounded criticisms) do hurt; but we must just press ahead for the sake of the community. I encourage everyone to keep participating and grow thick skin and to have an attitude of SOLIDARITY, which means that we don’t all agree and that’s part of the DIVERSITY of our viewpoints that will set us all free and allow us to see reality despite covert management of this event by status quo powers that be in the nuke industry and governments associated with it.

    • voltscommissar

      well I’m in Melbourne, and having bought a cheap G-M tube in a kit geiger counter, I would not trust my readings, as I have no way to calibrate the darned thing. Will spend some real money on a decent one, and try to verify (or refute) what Toadmac is reporting. Being firmly in the Southern Hemisphere, we are told that we are basically cut-off from NH pollution, but of course there must be a slow rate of mixing across the equator, so maybe that’s another urban myth duebunked if we are already getting Fuku pollution so far away (8,400 km)

      • voltscommissar

        “duebunked” = debunked…..

        • Toadmac

          Hi voltscommissar,We should meet up? I am not normally inclined to meet with people off tyhe net but we may be able to confirm or debunk my counter. At least it would be another witness. Do you have access to a youtube account? I could give the vid to you to post? Let me know.

    • StillJill StillJill

      No, stlouie is right Pallas–Toadmac has been HARPOONED here for his numbers! Shocked the stuffin’s out of me! But, it’s true. The shills outnumber us even here now. Does that discourage me? No,…batting practice–“Batter-up” anyone???

    • i can think of a number of shills who have laughed and laughed at St. Louis in attemps to throw the good people here off the path. acid Lab in particular comes to mind

      http://enenews.com/fukushima-meltdowns-caused-plutonium-be-evaporated-spread-around-gas

  • StillJill StillJill

    Here, here Pallas! “status quo powers”.

    You said a mouthful! They will quite LITERALLY kill ANYONE to keep the ‘status quo’!

  • markww markww

    DILUTE the area with HALON close off the imeadiate area with tarps or plastic sheeting then inject halon to the atmosphere then slowly release into the halon 2 % will make area nonflammable.
    You can breath in a 2 % halon atmosphere for a short time but then inject the piing too with halon, plus surrounding area. mark

  • Stlouieishot

    in voltscomisars case i would be inclined to doubt his readings because he built his detector himself and probably has no way to reliably calibrate it. but when someone is using a commercially avaliable detector and has video of the testing being done im going to believe those results.

    the problem i have is when one person ( im not naming names, more than one poster does this on a regular basis) makes statements doubting the results of measurements, the heard mentality tends to take hold and others who are impressionable and not reasonably educated on how these things work will tend to go along with the doubters.

    what i think would go a long way towards getting consistent results from various sources would be some standardized testing procedures. things like place meter in sealed ziplock bag indoors prior to going outdoors for a measurement, take readings indoors in the central most part of the building to get a reasonable background radiation baseline, when testing rain water on the surface of any object, use X amount of paper towels and wipe and area 1 meter square, collect rain water in some type of standardized rainwater collector that can be easily and cheaply made by anyone out of either disposable materials or materials that can easily be decontaminated with soap and water after a collection.
    also a list of recomended detectors would be nice.
    these things would go a very long way towards maintaining the credibility of any measurements taken by those who are willing to take the time and effor to do so and will also allow us to quickly identify and discredit shills posting here.

    a couple is riding down the road when the car makes a loud “bang” under the hood.
    husband gets out opens the hood, looks around for a few minutes, closes the hood and gets back in the car
    wife asks what happened.
    husband states “the engine blew”
    wife says “how do you know?”
    husband responds ” i can see a connecting rod sticking out of the side of the block”
    wife says ” well i think we should take it to a professional to make sure”

    see what im getting at?

    im not trying to be a shit disturber, its just frustrating when i see stuff like that posted here.

  • Toadmac

    I am uploading to youtube now.

    User name: Toadmacshutitdown

    Video title: Radioactive rain in Melbourne

    Should be uploaded in about 4 hrs. I don’t know if the new account will be there for long as they don’t like me. Hope its up long enough so at least some people get to see it.

  • Toadmac

    2 hrs to go! Go baby Go! I will make a composite video of test results tomorrow if my account is still there.

  • Toadmac

    Have to go to bed! Get up in four hours and go to work. Hope it gets up!
    good night
    Peace 🙂

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Salmon catch started at Miyagi coast, will peak in November:
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/29_20.html

    Want to see radiation test results, anyone?

  • On Now ! here’s the App, live feed for Rense Radio “Jeff Rense Program”

    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.asx

  • Alaskan Alaskan

    Good video Toadmac !!