Source: First try to remove spent fuel from Unit 4 could be next week — Nuclear Engineer: Everyone’s nervous about pulling out used rods that are corroding; Will zircoloy tubes break and spill fuel pellets, leading to a criticality? (AUDIO)

Published: November 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm ET
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Kyodo News, Nov. 23, 2013: Work to remove used fuel at Fukushima No. 4 spent fuel pool eyed Tues. [...] Work to remove spent fuel from a storage pool inside a damaged reactor building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex will begin on Tuesday at the earliest, a source close to the operator of the Fukushima plant said Saturday. [...]

Chris Harris, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator and engineer, Nov. 21, 2013 (at 30:15 in): [I spoke with some colleagues this week and they're] concerned about a criticality event. […] Of course I asked them about the boraflex, which is the boronated rubber — again a nervous laugh. They said that’s all gone, you’ve got to consider that gone also. That’s pretty much the consensus of everyone there, including one of the fellows that actually goes to Fukushima. So I got some inside information on that too.

Harris (at 45:30 in): The corrosion that’s occurring because of the seawater, everyone is rather nervous about the corrosion that’s happening and how much material is being lost, mainly from the zircoloy tubing that houses the fuel pellets themselves. They don’t know the actual wastage, and of course the structural integrity — so when you go ahead and start pulling the fuel, is there going to be a loss of the pellets? […] You could get a criticality event.

Full interview with Harris available here (Choose Hour 3 on Nov. 21)

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194 comments to Source: First try to remove spent fuel from Unit 4 could be next week — Nuclear Engineer: Everyone’s nervous about pulling out used rods that are corroding; Will zircoloy tubes break and spill fuel pellets, leading to a criticality? (AUDIO)

  • How did they 'practice' on corroded or bent Zircaloy tubes and/or assemblies?


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    and when we warned against any delay, Pachinko parlors became their final payday…


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      AFTERSHOCK, you asked Mark (?) about a nuclear event on 911, in regard to his comment on Nov. 18. What I think he was referring to was reports of molten metal in the basements of the twin towers. The molten steel was said to be there for six weeks or longer. There is a lot of speculation about whether thermate, thermite, or another high yield explosive could explain the molten metal being found under the building.

      See reports from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Also – you might find William Rodriguez' reports about the event interesting. He is called, "The last man standing" (North Tower). William worked as the head janitor in the North (?) tower for 19 or more years. One of his jobs was to clean the offices of high-ranking officials.

      http://william911.com/

      He helped save dozens of people that fateful day. You might find his story very revealing. I met him and he seemed completely credible; a very humble man. If you know what was housed in Bldg. 7 & what was destroyed in the Pentagon, the day after Rumsfeld said $2.3 trillion was missing; it all begins to make more sense. Anyway, this it OT, but I didnt' see your post & question the other day until several days after the fact.


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  • dka

    The previous news showed a video of rods removed from SP4.
    These were empty ones? What did I miss?


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  • weeman

    Does that mean the mOX fuel has been removed, if so that is the first thing that tepco has managed to mitigate and if so small pat on back, now the real test begins.
    Let keep them positive vibes flowing, no negative brain waves please. I have faith, so should you.


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  • weeman

    So I take it we do not know if the MOX has been removed, if not what was the unused fuel bundles.

    Is it possible that the weapons grade fuel was stored in pool, I know Japan is a so called nuclear weapons free country, but that does not mean that they don't have missiles to deliver nuclear weapons at the ready and just to be loaded with nuclear core?, we know the pension nuclear has for loop holes.
    That may explain the secrecy surrounding site, if so we have to redo the math as there will be a far greater fuel load in pools and lots of plutonium, devils dandruff.
    If you want a conspiracy you got it. Just in case you do not know a secret serviceman named Hicky, fired the third shot and accidentally shot JFK, he is in the back seat of car following JFK, watch the show smoking gun,.


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  • razzz razzz

    Even back in the caveman days it become socially unacceptable not wiping your ass. Eventually people will abhor not dealing with nuclear waste. Will it be to late by then?


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    • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

      The problem is that we cannot sustain a population of 7 billion people without cheap energy. If we were to rid ourselves of nuclear all at once whole cities would crumble and there would be death from the lack of energy. We have become addicted to nuclear energy.


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        @Zardoz2012 Nuke energy is not cheap…never was never will be….watch the cities crumble when people begin dying from rad poisoning, opportunistic diseases, swine flu, bird flu, tainted water.

        Nukes are not the way to save the planet…they are a means to kill all forms of life and render the Earth barren.

        Cities will crumble as in the Ukraine after Chernobyl.


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      • mairs mairs

        I wonder. 19% of power in the US is provided by nuclear. Seems like we're not addicted to it. Yet. Japan shut down all of it's reactors and they are around 18% of it's total energy production. Looks like it can be done.


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        • VanneV anne

          mairs, nuclear energy is less than 10% of the total energy production in the US. Your 19% figure is for electricity alone.

          Renewable energy in the US is at 11% of the total energy production in the US, and is more than the production of total energy by nuclear power.

          If everyone used only LED light bulbs or fluorescent light bulbs, there would be no need for nuclear energy at all.

          U.S. Renewable Energy Production Now Tops Nuclear Power
          “Energy production from natural gas grew 16% while coal-fired power fell more than 4%, thanks to a glut of cheap natural gas from the fracking boom. It’s a trend likely to continue as shale gas reserves are tapped and new emissions regulations effectively bar the construction of new coal-fired power plants.
          “Renewable energy production jumped nearly 24% but remains only 11% of the US’ total energy production. But the trend lines tell the story: Wind energy, for instance, grew 89% while electricity production from nuclear power plants fell 4%.
          “And this factoid should warm the hearts of anti-nuke activists: The US now gets more energy from renewable sources—wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, and biomass—than it does from nuclear power plants….”
          http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/u-s-renewable-energy-production-now-tops-nuclear-power-20130401


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          • razzz razzz

            A percentage of the electricity produced by nuke plants technically never makes it to the grid, it goes towards removing the decay heat by powering pumps to move cooling water around radioactive byproducts in spent fuel, stored in the pool and reactors-when not fissioning.

            The logic that nuclear energy is safe, clean and cheap is a fallacy. Next discovery will be air-cooled storage casks last only 30-50 years and the spent fuel will need to be transferred again into new containers mMore costs and dangers). Provided they bother to move spent fuel out of their pools into dry storage casks farms.


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            • The "net zero" aspect of nukes is a bit more complicated than that. The 'trons generated – to the tune of ~800-1400 Mw per plant – do actually go out to the grid. Then are sucked up by the next nuke down the line to keep its systems going on a constant basis to produce an equivalent amount of Megawatts to feed to the next nuke down the line.

              The very fact that it takes 2-4 of the biggest diesel powered generators humans can build just to keep the primary system's coolant pumps going in a grid outage – when all other systems have been isolated (cut off) and not even the SFP circulation pumps keep going – informs us of the ridiculous amount of electricity these nukes consume from the grid 24-7. But for utilities they're regular Cash Cows, so they love them most unreasonably.


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          • flatsville

            Your elec Ute probably has a LED bulb discount program running right now. Check their website. Mine does, but the bulbs are made in China. I found comparably priced made in the USA LED bulbs from CREE in 4 and 6 packs from Home Depot. Free shipping over X? dollar amount.

            You can stick it to your Ute, their pro-nuke lawyers and China all at the same time while saving $$$. Quite a bargain.

            Get a warm colored bulb with a medium Kelvin rating for home use and you'll be happy. Read the CREE reviews for each bulb on the Home Depot site for more info.


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              All for LED and when the Nuclear Power Industry is shuttered by a great lawyer they will be mandatory for sure. I use compact fluorescents in everything since LEDs are still a little pricey. None of them perform/last as long as they should, but it's a start.. :)


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              • Figure out the total cost for the life of the bulb. LED's pay off like a slot machine, despite the high initial cost.

                On a commercial building, the payback is less than 1 year. Then it is all as they say, gravy.


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                • flatsville

                  Agreed. LEDs have matured and if you buy from a reputable manufacturer you're good on watranty.

                  CREE has one of the best and they do stand behind it. Keep your documentation. I photocopy receipts in the event they fade.

                  Use your savings to write a check to an anti-nuke legal fund and you've really leveraged your investment.


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                • I've been collecting the LED bulbs – often an array of them – from those little flashlights that are always on sale from China but never seem to work for very long. The lights are good and batteries can be replaced, but cheap production practices makes them semi-useless.

                  Anybody got good info on how to recycle those to nice regular light arrays indoors? Have a bunch of those stick-in-the-ground solar outdoor lights that use rechargeable batteries, so I'm thinking of putting a bunch of those together to recharge a larger, long-life battery that would provide enough power to the LEDs in an array over my sink for ~4-6 hours nighttime use.


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                  • flatsville

                    JoyB, if the LED lights don't work after battery replacement, either the driver or controller went bad. I don't think there's much you can do to salvage operation.


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                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Joy all you seek is on a google search since many others have tried to do exactly what you are doing…and yes they share what they do non copy written and yes for free! :) Don't faint!


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                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    @JoyB: Not clear on your LED problem. Also, keep in mind that they're polarized devices. Like batteries, the orientation of the LEDs placement within a given circuit, is an issue.

                    I string strands of them in a room corner area, from the ceiling. You only have to avoid putting undue stress (weight) and make sure the wiring at the top is adequately insulated against ever shorting-out against the ceiling hook, to have an incredibly cheap lighting source for application, anywhere! And you can get strings that feature colors that suit the mood. I've been using pumpkin orange in a few rooms for several years, as its color is subdued in wavelength (red-shifting), yet bright enough to avoid having to switch on other lights to find things. I'm also a freak for the blue-colored LEDs. It's been recently determined that blue wavelength exposer obviates the need for caffeine jolts. They don't know why. I'd submit, it's a circadian response within the brain.

                    BTW, of the commercial work I've done, I've also designed LED lighting units. Long before the brilliant people at CREE started shaking-up the world of lighting technologies, I'd chosen to carry close-to-heart the lowly LED, as my favorite electronic component. Once you study how they work, they – themselves – put a whole new light on a pantheon of modern technologies…


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                    • Not really a problem, AS. Just my apparently innate disinterest in throwing out things that seem like they could be useful. You should see my glass jar shash!

                      I save rechargeable batteries, even after those cheap in the ground solar chargers die, so long as they'll still charge fine in my plug-in charger. I've also saved the plastic units themselves, figuring I can eventually break them to remove the solar cells and put them to use elsewhere. Those don't really die just from having been used, it's their cheap housing and plastic disintegration of their covering that blocks out light eventually.

                      The cheap flashlight LEDs look to be still serviceable to me. Come in square, round or rectangular arrays of anywhere from 5 to a few dozen bulbs. They are in these arrays permanently, so I figure they're already aligned properly if they had a proper power supply. It's the derned cheap-assed flashlights themselves that don't last. Heck, some of them never turned on even once (but there they were on a card in the dollar bin anyway).

                      I really like their brightness and conservative energy use, so will find a way to use them in something I can make that will work. Just asked in case anybody knew off the top of their head. §;o)


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      cool effort JoyB. And you're right about the scavenging the PV cells. The cells, themselves, are of excellent quality. The housing's cannot withstand longterm solar exposer. Plastic becomes so brittle, I've seen passing cats break them with the tails.

                      You have to be good with a soldering iron, to play-around with either PV cells or LED arrays. LEDs are easily damaged if you don't spec the correct operational conditions.

                      All said, I admire your desire to recycle. I'd come across an optical inspection system, that had broken controls. Suppose they'd been damaged and none other thought to salvage the world-class optics that cost thousands. They now adorn my desk and one of the assemblies is used to inspect old jewelry. Dumpster-diving is cool…


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      • freespirit1620

        That's what they want us to think. They're like "the pusher man" for you old Steppenwolf fans.


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      • NoNukes NoNukes

        Nuclear is a net consumer of energy, and it is a black hole of expenses, just in the medical expenses for cancers, diabetes, thyroid disease, autism, heart disease, etc, etc., alone, never mind keeping the lights on, digging the uranium out of the ground, building the monstrosities, paying the yakuza to kill the whistleblowers, etc.


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      • deedles deedles

        Seems that the joke is that cheap energy is all around us (Tesla, Leedskalnin, etc) but has been suppressed/buried by TPTB, so they can make us slaves to their deadly 'product'.

        For example, I can't seriously believe that with all the technology (nano, quantum etc) that the best we can have still are gas combustion engines for our cars. Really? Too many stories of people coming up with different energy producing motors/engines/machines and then mysteriously dying and all their stuff is ransacked, a la Tesla's lab.


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      • many moons

        If it were true that nuclear energy is indispensable to mankind then why is Japan hanging in there even though they haven't had any nuclear energy for the last 3 years. Not to mention, even without nuclear energy, Japan was selected as the next Olympic site….
        No one said.
        ."oh if japan had just been able to restart their nuke program they would be able to host the Olympics"..It wasn't even an issue.


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  • ftlt

    Were not some of the unused ones, the bent problem ones we had heard about??


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  • Oncewaslost Oncewaslost

    I fail to understand the obsession with MOX fuel.

    Do people know what it is?

    It is fuel that has recycled plutonium in it, from SPENT FUEL.

    IOW – SPENT FUEL is far more dangerous than MOX Fuel.

    Spent Fuel sounds less dangerous, but understand that MOX fuel is created by taking Plutonium from the Spent fuel, and processing it so it can be injected into new rods, at about 1% of their contents which far less than the percentage of plutonium, in spent fuel.

    Why people get excited is that the extraction process is similar to that which is done to create bombs. So people then say that Mox fuel has "weaponized" plutonium in it. Which is near accurate however it does not mean it is more dangerous than spent fuel. Spent fuel is a dirty bomb and the rods contain more daughter products etc.

    So people need to be concerned about Spent Fuel far more so than MOX fuel.


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    • freespirit1620

      I agree, I am inclined to believe that spent fuel has all the daughters of uranium. I'm also sure the new undamaged rods are worth a larger amount of money, hell, they may be planning on using them at another plant. Tepco is stumbling over dollars to pick up pennies.


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    • VanneV anne

      MOX uses extremely fine powdered plutonium, and is unstable at a much lower temperature than enriched uranium. It is by industry standards for workers 2,000,000 times more lethal than enriched uranium.

      So MOX fuel will explode at lower temperatures, and when the reactor explodes the vaporized plutonium goes high into the jet stream and is carried around the world. Breathing just a tiny bit causes cancer 100% of the time. The plutonium released by Fukushima is 1000s of time worse than Chernobyl. And there are now 429 lethal doses released by Fukushima for every human on the earth.


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    • Perhaps Japan and some other countries do that, we in the U.S. do not. We have no spent fuel recycling here, apart from one or two small 'research' reactors producing isotopes for medical uses. We make our MOX fuel with the "weaponized" (95+% pure) plutonium cores of decommissioned weapons.

      Now, that doesn't mean MOX fuel is 95+% plutonium, it just means that was dissolved and used in the UOX slurry from which reactor fuel is made. MOX fuel is much more highly enriched than regular UOX fuel, though. As in <5% regular UOX U-235 compared to ~20% U-235/P-239 mixture in MOX. Still not bomb grade or anything, but a lot hotter than regular fuel.


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    "Ashes! Ashes! We all fall down." Pull the wrong rod or miscalculate at all and the whole tinderbox goes up. Poof.


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  • God Bless the crane operators

    Namaste!


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  • VanneV anne

    PattieB
    July 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm
    Yes.. and #4 was said to be empty.. I said no, breeding Pu-239… then gee, here's a pic of corium leaking out the north wall of #4.. couldn't have been empty then, could it.!?
    http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/Pattie_Brassard/Maps%20Info/Untitled%20Album-1/535553_10151294966091033_775029803_n.jpg
    this stuff is why no-walk, no-pictures between 3 & 4 reactors was allowed.
    http://enenews.com/senior-japan-officials-nuclear-material-flowing-into-ocean-a-grave-matter-situation-at-fukushima-is-deplorable-video


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  • weeman

    Sometimes you have to look at things from a different prospective, let's pretend that the SFP on unit four was not effected, as it should not have it was in cold shutdown and is not the source of demise of building?.
    That leaves unit three as source and the explosions in unit four was in lower levels, unlike other buildings in upper levels, correct me if I am wrong but four blew up before three?.
    So that leaves hydrogen migration to unit four and since filters in vent stack the likely path are relatively low levels of radioactivity, unlikely to have been path, there must be a connection to the two buildings in lower levels? Anybody know?
    I have one more senario, what if like Chernobyl the corium from three melted out sideways and found its way to unit four?
    Just my imagination running away with me, please take with a pinch of salt.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Here's my take. To understand the magnitude of Fukushima, you have to take each event, 4 complete nuclear reactors in various states of operation. They all had full fuel load events at various stages of operation releasing there fuel loads in various quantities. Now add the the peripheral events, the tanks, the Ocean leakage, the first airborne releases. Add them all up. Now add still going.
      The result?
      And Chernobyl is one reactor, partially mitigated…


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      • weeman

        You may wonder why I am infatuated by unit four, simple one,two and three did as predicted, unit four did not, tell me if you could prove that a nuclear reaction can happen in a SFP In a uncontained building and there is hundreds in the world, do you not think people would be horrified, stop this nonsense as it makes absulotely no sense. Get my drift, be wise give a shit?


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  • Shaker1

    You come upon your cynicism honestly, JoyB, or at least that's how I justify mine to myself.

    One of my favorite quotes:

    "To be cynical may be a sin, but it's rarely a mistake."
    George Bernard Shaw


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  • ejordan ejordan

    We've organized a global protest against Fukushima (and nuclear power in general) on NOV 29/30, 2013 all over the world.

    Its called the Post Ignorance Project: Yellow and Black Friday. November 29/30.

    Website: http://www.thepostignoranceproject.com
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/postignorance

    Join us.


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Yoichi Shimatsu posts a very informative article

    <A HREF+"http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-tepco-is-risking-the-removal-of-fukushima-fuel-rods-the-dangers-of-uncontrolled-global-nuclear-radiation/5359188">Why the Risk at SFP #4</A>

    The title is: "Why TEPCO is Risking the Removal of Fukushima Fuel Rods. The Dangers of Uncontrolled Global Nuclear Radiation"
    …snip
    "The potential for disaster at the Unit 4 SFP is probably of a higher magnitude than suspected due to the presence of fresh fuel rods, which were delivered during the technical upgrade of Reactor 4 under completion at the time of the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami. The details of that reactor overhaul by GE and Hitachi have yet to be disclosed by TEPCO and the Economy Ministry and continue to be treated as a national-security matter. Here, the few clues from whistleblowers will be pieced together to decipher the nature of the clandestine activity at Fukushima No.1.

    Accidents happen"


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      • VanneV anne

        Quote from this article:
        "…More than 1,700 tons of nuclear materials are reported to be on site inside Fukushima No.1 plant. (My investigative visits into the exclusion zone indicate the existence of undocumented and illegal large-scale storage sites in the Fukushima nuclear complex of undetermined tonnage.) By comparison Chernobyl ’s reactors contained 180 tons of fuel not all of which melted down…."


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      • VanneV anne

        Quote from this article:
        "Mystery of MOX super-fuel

        "A Mainichi Shimbun editorial mentions in passing that the Reactor 4 pool contains 202 fresh fuel assemblies.(3) The presence of new fuel rods was confirmed in the TEPCO press release, which described the first assembly lifted into the transfer cask as an 'un-irradiated fuel rod.' Why were new rods being stored inside a spent-fuel pool, which is designed to hold expended rods? What threat of criticality do these fresh rods pose if the steel frame collapses or if crane operators drop one by accident onto other assemblies, as opposed to a spent rod?

        "Against the official silence and disinformation, a few whistleblowers have come forward with clues to answer these questions. Former GE nuclear worker Kei Sugaoka disclosed in a video interview that a joint team from Hitachi and General Electric was inside Reactor 4 at the time of the March 11, 2011 earthquake. By that fateful afternoon, the GE contractors were finishing the job of installing a new shroud, the heat-resistant metal shield lining the reactor interior.(4)

        " TEPCO inadvertently admitted to the presence of foreign contractors at Fukushima No.1 up until March 12, 2012, when the management ordered their evacuation in event of a massive explosion during the rapid meltdown of Reactor 2. So far, leaks indicate the presence of the GE team and of a Israeli nuclear security team with Magna BSP, a company based in Dimona.(5)


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        • VanneV anne

          [cont.]
          "Another break came in April 2012, when a Japanese humor magazine published a brief interview of a Fukushima worker who disclosed that radioactive pieces of a broken shroud were left inside a device-storage pool at rooftop level behind the Reactor 4 spent-fuel pool.(6) This undoubtedly is the used shroud removed by the GE-H workers in February-March 2011.

          "A curious point here is that the previous shroud had been in use for only 15 months. Why would TEPCO and the Japanese government expend an enormous sum on a new lining when the existing one was still good for many years of service?

          "Obviously, the installation of a new shroud was not a mere replacement of a worn predecessor. It was an upgrade. The refit of Reactor 4 was, therefore, similar to the 2010 conversion of Reactor 3 to pluthermal or MOX fuel. The same model of GE Mark 1 reactor was being revamped to burn MOX fuel (mixed oxide of uranium and plutonium).

          "The un-irradiated rods inside the Unit 4 spent-fuel pool are, in all probability, made of a new type of MOX fuel containing highly enriched plutonium. If the frame collapses, triggering fire or explosion inside the spent-fuel pool, the plutonium would pulse powerful neutron bursts that may well possibly ignite distant nuclear power plants, starting with the Fukushima No.2 plant, 10 kilometers to the south.


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        • VanneV anne

          [cont.]
          "The scenario of a serial chain reaction blasting apart nuclear plants along the Pacific Coast, is what compelled Naoto Kan, prime minister at the time of the 311 disaster, to contemplate the mass evacuation of 50 million residents (a third of the national population) from the Tohoku region and the Greater Tokyo metropolitan region to distant points southwest.(7) Evacuation would be impeded by the scale and intensity of multiple reactor explosions, which would shut down all transport systems, telecommunications and trap most residents. Tens of millions would die horribly in numbers topping all disasters of history combined…."


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      • VanneV anne

        Quotation from this article:
        "A logical deduction then is that a cask of new fuel rods left on the roof during the GE-H refit was ignited by neutrons emitted from the SPF fire…."


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      • VanneV anne

        "An alternative possibility is of a tritium-plutonium reaction creating gas plasma inside the spent fuel pool. The condition of the cladding on the rods, which would have been melted by plasma, can indicate the heat source during those two fires. None dare mention are tritium-plutonium inter-reaction because that is the formula for a thermonuclear bomb, that is, the H-bomb. MOX fuel does have the potential to generate sufficient tritium for a thermonuclear, and that is what so rattled Naoto Kan by March 12, 2011…."
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-tepco-is-risking-the-removal-of-fukushima-fuel-rods-the-dangers-of-uncontrolled-global-nuclear-radiation/5359188


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        • VanneV anne

          [cont.]
          "When asked about what then could crack the foundation, the manager responded: “I am a civil engineer, not a nuclear expert.” Nudged a bit more, he implied that a meltdown of nuclear fuel may have seared through the concrete. The intense heat can reconvert concrete into loose hydrated lime powder and sand, while cutting through rebar steel like a hot knife through butter.

          "The upgrade of the Reactor 4 shroud may well have involved the test-fitting of some MOX rods, which abandoned on the floor next to the reactor when the tsunami reached shore. In other words, in early March 2011 crane operators completely filled space inside the spent-fuel pool with new MOX rods and then simply left casks of assemblies on the roof and lowered more into the basement. That is the simplest explanation for the damage to the structural integrity of the reactor building. GE is not about to disclose its role in this disaster."


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      • VanneV anne

        Yoichi Shimatsu, the author of this article, is a real hero.


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        • We Not They Finally

          Shimatsu has also physically risked his health and life by going back and forth to Japan. He says he does a lot with herbs and the like to try and fend off damage from radioactivity, but he's honestly taken huge risks to get to the truth. Yes, he's a hero.


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        • Socrates

          I've listened to all of his Fukushima interviews and read all of his Fukushima articles. There is a high probability that secret activities of a military nature wete going on in Daiichi, in my opinion. That would explain a few a few seeming anomalies and the secrecy.


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      • VanneV anne

        When you consider that reactor #4 had a crack in it before it was even installed, it is frightening that such insane people have and are still building nuclear power plants around the world.

        It is obvious that the nuclear industry has absolutely no regard for human or other life. Nuclear experimentation must stop. The criminals in the nuclear industry must everyone of them be sued, stripped of all their earthly possessions, and put in jail for life. Genocide and murder must not be allowed.

        Anyone who is a proponent of nuclear energy or weapons must be tried and convicted of being a serial killer and must never be allowed to serve in any government, but jailed for life.

        Nuclear energy is premeditated murder and economic insanity and stealing of all the natural resources on earth.

        Nuclear power plants are weapons of mass destruction.

        Fukushima is the equivalent of 66,000 Hiroshima bombs.


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        • I think you may find, if all nukes were sued and criminally prosecuted into prison for life, that your basic Yakuza grunt (in Japan, whatever mafioso supplies burn-out workers in other nuclear nations) is not the best person to have in charge of handling highly radioactive nuclear materials in a mass decommissioning operation.

          IOW, even if we decided to put an end to nuclear generation entirely right now, today, we'd still need knowledgeable nukes to manage the decommissioning, safe isolation (casking), transport and forever-storage of nuclear materials in some as-yet fictional long term storage facility in Mongolia or the Australian outback or hollowed-out granite mountains in Antiarctica. There will still be plenty of work for nukes for thousands of years into the future…


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            JoyB, I think the key is to end the Nuclear Industry and we can then find ways to deal with the waste but the priority is to just stop..yes dead in our tracks..end it..and do it quickly.

            60 years is nothing and the damage this Nuclear Industry has already done and will do in the future is grotesque in simple terms. This is not a viable sustainable industry on any scale for international use anywhere on this planet.

            The Roy Process looked promising and I am sure others will come along soon, but we need to stop making more/additional Nuclear Radiation Contamination waste worldwide and we need to stop such practices right now.


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            • Well of course, obewan. Deal is, nukes (and government nuke-pushers) have never listened to my d'ruthers on the subject, and they sure don't seem to be listening to anybody else's either. Why, instead of listening to Greg Jaczko when he was head of the NRC, they put him right out to pasture where he could say the technology is hopelessly flawed and can never be made 'safe', and nobody anywhere has to listen to him. Truth is not the name of the nuclear game, never has been.

              So. We can keep right on saying so – Shut 'Em Down Now – and it'll echo for decades until long after we are dead. That's never managed to shut down a single nuke, anywhere.


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              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                JoyB, We are at a place in time that we have never been before and it is called the Extermination of Planet Earth. I have given as others here have too plenty of evidence as to why they should be all shut down and why the industry should go away quickly. We are playing a "no win" game with Nuclear Technology and believe me this is simply a game of death and destruction where ever this Nuclear Industry goes anywhere on this planet.

                I am pretty sure we outlawed the gassing of people in chambers like what Hitler did and so in reality this industry should be very easy to shut down too.

                Ergo: The evidence of the crimes already committed are clear, concise and now in volume, and yes, Fukushima should be the last straw that broke this Nuclear Industry's back!


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                • Now? Obewan, we have been here since 1945. Threat level goes up and down like an ocillator, but nukes have been threatening all life on this planet for as long as they have existed. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. When as an 11-year old 6th grader seeing all the adults in my life give up and accept that we were All Going To Die pissed me off so bad I decided right then and there that I wasn't going to be terrified by nukes. Drop it or keep your damned trap shut was my philosophy then, and remains my philosophy today.

                  And don't tell me the "difference" between accidents and on-purposes, it's all the same to the dead. This is a technology from Hell and it can be nothing other than deadly. That's the nature of the beast. Human excuses for it have never impressed anybody's gods, there are no gods impressed with it today either.

                  I got big enough and old enough to take on the "Oops" end of the Beast way back in the '70s. They have never shut me up since, sure as hell aren't doing it now. Still… still no one listens, power doesn't care. Never has and never will. I hear you loud and clear, and all here who demand it end NOW and not later. But I still have eyes to see, and damned if they ain't still there, right where they were yesterday.

                  And strangely enough, here we are still. I'm still alive, so are you. It's a test, only a test. If it had been a real emergency you would have been instructed to… §;o)


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                  • VanneV anne

                    Didn't you ever grow up? You are still making the decisions you made as a child. And how old are you now?

                    You think you are immune against cancer and death.

                    They say that people who don't like old people are not likeable which they grow old.

                    I think it is better to take the advice Dr. Helen Caldicott than an eleven-year old child.


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                    • I understand your angst, Anne. But angst won't do a single thing to end the nuclear reign of terror on this planet. I don't know if you noticed, but when you woke up this morning those damned nukes were still out there spewing. Right where they've always been. Your angst hasn't changed that, has it?

                      Educating the interested public is a good thing. But it's not stopping nukes. The factors that will stop nukes are ones we don't control, but I think the tide has turned at last. Perhaps some knowledge of true history might help prevent this sort of stupidity from ever happening again with some other Doomsday technology. Who knows?

                      It's certainly worth a try. I do not believe hyperbole and ridiculous conspiracy theory rumors (fed to the forum(s) as fact) is very helpful to the effort. Your mileage may differ of course, but juvenile insults won't shut me up. You'll have to learn to live with that too.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      JoyB, I have no angst at all. I almost died 24 years ago. Every day since then has been a gift.

                      I just have sadness for all the pain and suffering of everyone else.

                      I am a Christian. I just want to alleviate all the pain and suffering of other people.

                      And I do not condone murder.


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                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Its a very subtle sneaky contamination and its ever expanding and when the entire world is now at 50% cancer rates/diagnosis going up to 87.5% diagnosis by 2030, I think I can rest my case. Follow it (radiation contamination) around in any form and you will find this disease. This is not up for question, discussion or interpretation in my estimation.

                    Could some other pollutants cause the same, maybe, but this is the Big Kahona in the room!


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                    • Do let me know when the reproductive organ cancer rate reaches ~50% prior to the age of 9 and rising, m'kay? Or when ~50% and rising of human infants are born sterile. Either of these things will mean likely extinction within 4-5 generations.

                      I know it sounds horrifically callous, but people who develop cancer after reproductive age – or after having produced two viable offspring – don't count for much in the evolution game. Nature wrote those 'rules', not me. They are what they are.

                      And even if we manage to keep going, as we likely will despite our penchant for killing ourselves and each other wholesale with whatever weapons we can think of, we'll still go extinct at some point. That too is part and parcel of the evolution game.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      A human slaughter house.. is a human slaughter house.

                      Fancy hospitals with pretty pictures doesn't change the game or name. :(


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                    • VanneV anne

                      +100000000000 TY, obewan


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                    • Socrates

                      Got to hide those unfortunate facts.


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          • Re: Comment at JoyB
            November 24, 2013 at 11:44 am
            That is the function of responsible governance to motivate the managers, engineers, technicians to do the job that they are trained in regarding the nuclear monster. No more growth of the nuclear programmes regarding weaponising and phantom electricity. This is an area of urgent consideration and the cumulative effects of specialist society which are having adverse effects on the separate parts that make up the infrastructure and the adverse effects on Mother Earth including all life must be taken into account. From such audits and deliberations man must progress from the present to live in harmony with nature. Ecological principles utterly disregarded must again form the basis of healthy enjoyable vibrant life. We will of course be helped in this endeavour by the way people for example in India lived for a long time with a constant human population of 120 million in equilibrium with nature until the disraeli type modern greedy civilization of specialist alien disturbances destroyed the equilibrium of all life.For example the Indian human population started exploding from 120 million to a billion from 1850 to 2000 and is still rising along with drastic changes in natural cycles worldwide. The parallel extractive compartmentalised ciivilization is destroying itself. It must make way for harmonised living accepting limits to man-made specializations so that habitats for living thrive.Forests are infinitely superior to dams!


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            • VanneV anne

              Population Growth of India: Myths vs Realities
              “Clearly, the biggest threat to the planet'e well-being is not the growing population of poor people but the ever increasing consumption of the non-poor humanity.
              “I wonder why this simple fact does not get discussed by those who are worried about the future of the world?…
              “The plunder of India for centuries, particularly during the 200 years of British occupation, deprived it of the natural development process. It is this lack of development that is basically responsible for both high population and poverty that exist today….
              “Six Common Misconceptions
              “1. Population of India is Growing too Rapidly.
              “This is plain WRONG.
              “The population of India grew rather sharply during 1960s and 1970s. It was due to rapid progress in public health network, eradication of epidemics like small pox, control on Malaria, and various other healthy measures to reduce child mortality rate. Thereafter, emphasis on family planning measures taken up at national level slowly but steadily checked the rate of population growth and this decline is still continuing. The average number of children per family 60 years ago was about 6, but now it is less than half of that and still declining. Sheer numbers may be scary but one can clearly see that there is no increase in the population growth rate and certainly not population explosion.


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              • VanneV anne

                [cont.]
                “Whatever population growth is there is not because people are making more babies but simply because there are too many people in the reproductive age group. A very high proportion of population is young – demographic dividend, as labeled by population experts. This is giving push to population growth, it is known as population momentum in their language….
                “3. How about Food-Grain shortage and Hunger-Deaths?
                “Contrary to popular belief, hunger has nothing to do with shortage of food in the present day world. If people die of hunger it is because they don't have access to food. The reasons lie in the politics of development and inequality – regional or global. The economic model as practiced in the world today inherently favors the rich and powerful and creates a lopsided distribution of wealth….
                “5. Population Control is Necessary for Environment Protection
                “This is only superficially true. The real threat to environmental damage is the increasing demand from middle (and rich class) for more electricity, water, and fuel; in short, people are consuming natural resources at much higher rate than ever before. Poor in India don’t drive cars, and are still away from water and electricity to a large extent.


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              • VanneV anne

                [cont.]
                It is the changed lifestyle of people with money that is a bigger threat to environment than the poor; in fact, they are too poor to destroy nature or ecology! It is the resource-guzzling lifestyle of the rich that threatens environment and nature and hence, the global well-being….”
                http://goodpal.hubpages.com/hub/Population-Growth-of-India-Myths-vs-Realities


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                • @ anne
                  November 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm
                  I am in full agreement with your quote regarding
                  meeting energy and other needs and on human population.To emphasize without repetition, wilderness was replaced by self destructive modern civilization with wholesale destruction of all forms of life except the human(all of which really require nuclear fusion energy of the sun for existence). It is fully dishonest of the supporters of modern civilization (including n-energy) not to see the life extinguishing cumulative effects of modern civilization. If nuclear supporters continue to support n-energy, in a democracy we shall then outlaw support for it because of reasons of extinction. But not only nukes must not be but modern civilization must itself be transformed so that the base of sustainability of life is retained(ecology). If in spite of the law against nukes as a policy option, the nukes exist, they must be jailed and more(forced labour which is after all enjoyable living energy whose output is gratefully accepted by mother earth). This forced labour may take the form of removal of sf and safe storage of n-wastes and nuke decommissioning. The robbery of the commons by modern civilization including excessive mining and destruction of nature made human population to explode to occupy the niches occupied by fauna and flora. Why, the Indian human population which was constant at 120 million from 2000 BC to 1850 AD started growing(!) relatively infinitely as harmony with nature…


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            • navilu, that's why I live in a forest and not on a dam. Oh, and no. The government can't make nukes do anything responsible if (as Anne has insisted), they are all in prison for life for being nukes.


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          • VanneV anne

            JoyB, I was talking about "Anyone who is a proponent of nuclear energy or weapons". Are you saying that only proponents of nuclear energy or weapons are able to decommission nuclear power plants?

            Eveyone will soon be dead if we keep on generating new nuclear power plants and new nuclear weapons.

            And we know that TEPCO is completely incompetent in decommissioning Fukushima Diichi, and is complete incompetent to manage any nuclear power plant.

            It is one thing to train people to decommission nuclear power plants and to handle nuclear waste.

            Building more of the same is criminal and insane.


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            • You know I advocate shutting 'em all down immediately, Anne. I was talking about people with knowledge of the technology. Yes, they overwhelmingly tend to be nuclear proponents, with livelihoods directly connected to continuance of that technology.

              I am saying that putting them all in prison for being nuclear proponents/workers in the industry will leave us with exactly zero people who know what the hell they're doing. It isn't a good idea to decommission nukes with unskilled workers, or to simply shut them down and leave them where they are.


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              • VanneV anne

                So how is TEPCO doing a wonderful job with Fukushima Daiichi? Proponents will always spend their money on expanding nuclear energy and weapons. Proponents will never spend money cleaning up the accidents and waste and will always lie about the health effects of radiation.


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                • Now, where have you ever seen me claim TEPCO is "doing a wonderful job" on anything at all? Please don't deliberately misrepresent what I have said or am saying. That's a dishonest tactic and frankly beneath you.

                  And while I'm here, I'll say that what 'proponents' will or will not 'spend money' on is entirely irrelevant. Their money is worthless in the first place, and subservient entirely to what the majority of people insist be done with it in the second place.

                  You seem to be hopelessly resigned to 'them' and their money. That's an attitude that is incapable of producing needed change.


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          • VanneV anne

            JoyB, In the midst of an ELE you are talking about humans still on the earth for thousands of years?

            There is not enough money to pay for nuclear energy and for nuclear waste now. And there certainly won't be enough money in the future.

            Since when is it a moral or viable option to live off the backs of the poor? So, 7.5 billion human sacrifices isn't enough for the nuclear industry?


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            • That's where you're wrong, Anne. There is as much money as TPTB decide to print, and they can keep that up for as long as there are trees or hemp or other fibers to make paper with. Money is just a chit. Yes, it's rationed to those who already have it, but it's no more valuable in their hands than anybody else's. Just ink on paper.

              Once the world wakes up to the reality that money – the concept – has been artificially decoupled from any backing value, people will be warming themselves on cold nights burning the stuff because that's all it's good for. Only our land, our labor, our skills and imagination and willingness to produce are worth anything in this world. That's all been devalued to less-than-slavery (for what they haven't stolen outright). All the "Great Unwashed Masses" ever had to do was simply stop participating in their own impoverishment and degradation. The oppression would disappear in record time.


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              • VanneV anne

                Well, here is the sore point for the nuclear industry. There is not enough money anywhere in the world to support the nuclear industry.

                And TEPCO is turning down many suggestions because they don't have money for many things.

                For example, the tanks storing radioactive water were only bolted and not welded. The pipes from those tanks are only plastic.

                Time and time again we see TEPCO giving money to the shareholders instead of spending it on better safety at Fukushima Daiichi.

                Why didn't they empty the common spent fuel pool? They've had 2 and a half years to do it.

                An ad hominem attack about money also shows that it is money that is the problem.

                Arnie Gundersen also stated that TEPDO's problems are money. I guess you disagree with him also.

                On another plane, money is the root of all evil.


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                • The Japanese government was always the backstop on TEPCO's losses, just as the U.S. government backstops losses for all our nukes. And Japan has a fiat currency just as our government does, they can always print more. The problem is how much relative worth the yen has to other world currencies (yuan, dollar, euro), so what those yen are able to purchase outside of Japan.

                  Note that the reason France, Germany and the U.S. aren't big involved at Daiichi is primarily a matter of their national liability for things that go wrong. That's a situation that isn't going to change without some kind of big diplomatic hobnobbing and some kind of multilateral treaty. And since France and the U.S. have absolutely no intention of shutting down or phasing out their nukes, the particulars are regular sticky wickets. Governments don't care about "little people" of any variety in anybody's country. It has always been thus.


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                  • VanneV anne

                    JoyB, you need to study economics. You can't just print more and more money.

                    The Problem with Printing Money
                    By Tejvan Pettinger on August 7, 2012 in economics
                    "Readers Comment. The obvious question is why doesn’t the Bank of England just print the money instead of borrowing the money?
                    Many often ask why government’s don’t print more money to deal with the problem of National debt. The reason is that printing more money doesn’t increase economic output in any way – it merely causes inflation."
                    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/634/economics/the-problem-with-printing-money/


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                    • flatsville

                      >>>You can't just print more and more money.<<<

                      I'm pretty sure they can and are.

                      You might want to check the daily Open Market Operations here-

                      http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/openmarket.html

                      Temporary and Permanent.

                      coupon passes and repurchase agreements.


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                    • Anne, the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 vests the Congress with the power to mint money and regulate the value of that money. This was basically usurped by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, but Congress has the power to change that as well if it chose to.

                      This would not make the rest of the world value our money the same way, of course, but that is only pertinent for foreign trade and debt, not internal transactions. The vast majority of the federal debt in this country is owed to people in this country – for securities purchased and held by people, corporations and even government programs. Such as our social insurance programs like SS and SSI, in times of surplus revenues toward future pay-outs.

                      Some in our government want to reneg on that debt to working citizens because the government 'borrowed' the money held in trust by SSA during my generation's working years to pay for tax cuts for millionaires and giant corporations. Tough titty. I subscribe to the truth as told by a great economist of a past era, John Kenneth Galbraith, who said -

                      "No nation in debt to itself is in any danger of collapse."


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                    • VanneV anne

                      JoyB, now you are totally off-topic.

                      The decommissioning of Fukushima should cost at least 1/2 a trillion dollars. For whatever reason TEPCO or the Japanese government won't spend the money and won't admit that the exclusion zone should be much higher, that good grown in at least a 50 mile exclusion zone is not fit to eat.

                      So what is their motivation is not money? Why else won't they grant visas to travel to other countries for asylum against radiation?

                      Why are they saying that no one can report the news or statistics about radiation sickness because of reasons of national security?

                      The reason government try to prevent inflation is because the people who are poor and those on fixed incomes can't afford inflation, and should starve to death.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      TYPO: would starve to death.


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                    • anne 11/24@6:53pm -

                      "The reason government try to prevent inflation is because the people who are poor and those on fixed incomes can't afford inflation, and [would] starve to death."

                      Really? Is that why the current U.S. Teabagger congress and several state governments also now held by Teabaggers have arbitrarily cut off unemployment compensation for tens of millions, slashed benefits for tens of millions more, removed food assistance to the poor entirely from Dept. of Agriculture appropriations and ended benefits for tens of millions of families, slashed funding for school lunch programs, ended school breakfast and Meals On Wheels funding altogether, etc., etc., etc.? They did all this because they're so concerned that the poor and elderly/disabled might starve to death in the wealthiest nation the world has ever known?

                      Oy. They must all be good Christians too, who just want "to alleviate all the pain and suffering" of the people. Y'all just choke me up sometimes with all that unconditional love…


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                not sure why your measured thoughts find fault in anne's mind, but you're correct in past statements of any ELE caused by Fuku is likely to have an indeterminate timeline. We could witness a hyper-collapse of the ecosystem within a decade or less. Just the same, because this is humanity's first time-around at the 'art' of large scale planet killing, it could take decades or more building towards that final collapse. We just don't know enough…yet. And while I love far-out theories, they aren't my favorite fare at the pancake house…


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              • Anne and Joy obviously are both anti-nuke and both have technical knowledge that brought them to that conclusion. But both can find the time to argue with each other and this illustrates the human condition.
                Both have unrealistic ideas. They are good theories and ideas but impracticle to implement. Since it is obvious USgov and JapGov sponsor nuclear energy throwing all pro nukes in jail won't happen anytime soon. Everybody is not going to walk away from this printed money deal anytime soon but just try it. Good luck not paying rent or mortgage or property taxes. Try living in the wilds you will need a quality tent, chainsaw, rifle, ammo, a decent quad gasoline durable clothes etc. You gonna steal all that? You will be on your own and one day you will be caught for hunting deer out of season and your rifle and other equipment will be confiscated. Until a large minority/majority decide nuclear is bad, sadly the status quo will remain. Economically you can participate less but unless your willing to live in the wilderness like a caveman…..well I doubt there are any left who even have those skills. Always enjoy Annes and Joys comments. Your both major assets to this site.


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                • Didn't some hippies try to walk away from society?
                  They repopulated circa 1800's ghost towns. Most were burnt down by the authorities.

                  http://www.rockymountainprofiles.com/tiger_colorado.htm


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                  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

                    Everybody wants to survive. Instinct #1. The question has become at what cost? Some of the hippies I know are as broken as the society they are so alienated from. Others are trying to improve it the best they can.
                    Survival ain't easy. but it beats the alternative. These comments obviously belong on another thread ;)


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                    • Blue Heron, We are in this situation, wondering if more radiation will be released from removal of spent fuel from #4 pool, wondering if its OK to eat Pacific fish and in Japan wondering if the food the schools given to our children is safe etc etc. Why? Because collectively the population has trusted government, industry, military and the science community to make the right choices. Now it appears that they are at best incompetent and at worse purposefully uncaring about people in general. And please remember the Fukushima meltdown is only one example of huge pollution and devastation of this planet we all share. The hippies in the 60's had a vision of a better way. But those who populated ghost towns, refurbishing old historic buildings and lived frugally off the land got kicked out and the buildings burned to the ground. Forty years ago. There has to be a change in attitude so that clean air water and food takes precedent over dividends world banks and money. Realize you and me and the rest here make up a tiny fraction of the world population that even know anything bad is happening in Japan. Its great to discuss technical aspects of this nuclear disaster but equally important in my opinion to understand how we got to this point and what if anything can be done.


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                • VanneV anne

                  Joy says she is anti-nuke, and may believe she is, but her arguments many times echo those of the nuclear industry. She was educated by the nuclear industry and may not have accepted other modes of thinking.

                  Arguing about the US constitution, whether or not they can print money, seems to me to be a diversionary tactic. I would rather arguments were based on compassion for poor people and those dying of cancer because of nuclear radiation.

                  TMI is over 20 years ago. There's been a huge amount radiation released on earth since then. I know I can't save my children from pain and suffering, but I don't have to acquiesce without the best fight I can muster–that is the fight of the pen, not the sword. I don't believe in a fight of the sword which is IMHO self-defeating.


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                  • Anne, Joy has her own perspective which she admits comes from being involved in the nuclear industry. Certainly participating in this forum is good and informs anyone who takes the time to read stories and posts. We are all different and have our own perspectives. It has been political decisions stemming from the decision to get USA involved in WW2 that brings us to this point where US troops are stationed in a country that hosts this triple melt down.
                    Political discussions and monetary discussions IMHO are very relevant.
                    Today an announcement that US and Tehran have made a nuclear arms agreement.

                    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-lawmakers-plan-backup-nuclear-sanctions-against-iran-1.2437742

                    Fukushima is not on the radar and your President says nothing about it as radiation continues to leak. So as far as nuclear issues go most people are aware of an agreement signed by US in Tehran but completely ignorant of fukushima radiation spilling into ocean. Why?

                    Fukushima is only one aspect of an economic political system in place that values economy over ecology. This system props up the nuclear industry. But again the entire nuclear industry is only one destructive industry of many sponsored by the system in place. These discussions are not a distraction but important in finding a possible solution.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      I love JoyB's positions on a host of issues. More importantly, why would a shill willingly out themselves? Is it possible JoyB is a rare asset to us all, out here? She actually explores the inner-workings of an issue. She's capable of independent thinking and application thereof to this medium.

                      Using her politics to prevent her from joining in, is foolish. How's 'bout this: everybody on the Left should move to that side of the shelter; everyone on the Right…well…your comrades will point the way to a comfy spot…


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Love.. JoyB! :)

                      This is not a political issue. This is an all encompassing biological life issue and that includes all of us posting here. :)


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                  • You are the one who introduced the subject of economics, not me. You even used one of my arguments (turned around a bit), that there's not enough money in the world to build the 2-4,000 nukes that would be needed to replace coal for electrical generation by 2050. That is true, as such a scheme is an international effort where international money values hold sway. The value of money inside the borders does not necessarily track with that.

                    My "arguments" are factual information about nuclear physics and technology. The industry didn't "educate" me on those, I learned them by studying the science and technology. I worked for the nuclear industry for all of 4 weeks in my life. For the purpose of gathering evidence of radiological conditions and ongoing coverup in the immediate aftermath of TMI2. It was an investigation, not a career. My career then through now has been publishing/ journalism, with a side job as a children's entertainer.

                    The truth about Daiichi is plenty bad, even the little truth that manages to leak out (which is not as much as the radioactive crap that's leaking out). It needs no hyperbolic doomsday fantasies to be of genuine concern, and false information only serves to distract from what people do need to know. It is not helpful, nor does it alleviate anyone's suffering.

                    TMI was 34 years and 8 months ago. Just fyi.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      JoyB, This is not my argument: " that there's not enough money in the world to build the 2-4,000 nukes that would be needed to replace coal for electrical generation by 2050." I did once post an article that said that it would take 8,000 nuclear reactors to reduce CO2 emissions, but only if one did not figure in and include the total nuclear fuel cycle.

                      I have never suggested that we replace coal with nuclear energy. Both coal and nuclear energy destroy the environment and they are both radioactive (though nuclear energy generates exponentially times greater radiation than coal), both emit CO2 (nuclear through the entire fuel cycle) and both contribute to global warming. I have always advocated replacing both coal and nuclear with solar, wind, and geothermal.

                      Even the famous physicist says that radiation does not go away but bio-accumulates. The half-life of radioactive decay is physics. And the study of biology and medicine and genetics teaches that radiation is lethal and causes DNA double strand breakage leading to cancer, death, and genetic diseases, and sterility.

                      Nuclear energy is exorbitantly expensive; the most expensive energy form. Economic depression follows in every country that adopts nuclear energy.

                      And when a country experiences nuclear meltdown, it causes economic ruin for that country. Because of Chernobyl, the Soviet Union broke up and huge numbers of people have simple disappeared.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      The same will be true for Japan. Nuclear reactor meltdown causes catastrophic loss of life, loss of natural resources, and economic ruin. There is no way to pay for a nuclear meltdown. And unfortunately, the whole Northern Hemisphere and the whole world will share in this catastrophic economic ruin and loss of life and loss of natural resources.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      I meant to say the famous physicist, Dr. Michio Kaku


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                    • VanneV anne

                      huge numbers of people have simply disappeared (died, but no statistics have been kept of their deaths).


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                    • dear anne -

                      I said very clearly the 2-4000 nukes to replace coal thing was MY argument using the "not enough money in the world" phrase, in response to an assertion that we need more nukes so we can stop burning coal. It was NOT your assertion and I never said it was.

                      That is the very phrase you used in your "not enough money in the world" take on how nobody can afford to keep the already existent nukes going. That's not true, we have about a hundred of them going in this country right now, humming right along, dangerous as ever.

                      You have never seen me assert that contamination doesn't bioaccumulate. Many isotopes do. Contamination DOES "go away" along its half-life trajectory over time, about 10 half-lives. That's physics, and no "famous physicist" Like Kaku would say any different. For instance, there is essentially NO iodine from the original Fuku releases present today in the air or ocean or anyone's body. It "went away" after ~80 days, leaving a lot of damage to people's thyroid glands before it left. Other isotopes will be with us for much, much longer than humans live, and do their damage to biological tissues while inside of humans and other life forms. That is health physics.


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                    • You have never seen me argue that nukes aren't outrageously expensive, or that economic ruin can't follow upon meltdowns – one so far in the USSR, and probably Japan at some point. But in the midst of yet another cyclical financier-engineered global depression, will anybody notice Fuku's contribution? [rhetorical question].

                      Finally, yes. A great many people's lives will be shortened by the tragedy at Fukushima. And gross pollution by industrial chemicals, bad agricultural practices, coal dust in the air we breathe, horrible diseases still at large, food poisoning, starvation, natural disasters, unnatural disasters, accidents, interpersonal violence, major and minor wars… Hundreds of things cause death to humans before they die of old age.

                      I don't think it matters whether you and I read their statistics. Huge numbers of humans die every year. Even more humans are born every year (as of this point in time). No human who is born will get out of here alive, best we can do is try to avoid as many causes of premature death as we can. That constant struggle is called "Life."


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                    • Putting things in perspective is good. Be interested and do what you can to prevent deadly situations. Pick one or several or many, spend time rallying and/or railing against them – it will ease your own conscience. But a Christian would know – and understand – that no human being has the power to 'save' any other human being's soul, and not even great physicians have the power to ultimately 'save' anyone's life. We can put off death for awhile. That is all.

                      Don't become so obsessed with 'saving' others that you fail to 'save' yourself, and do your best to stave off dangers for those closest to you. This will help to temper angst and help you come across as reasonable and wise. So as to make you more effective in your chosen mission(s).

                      Peace.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      JoyB, What part of "I don't have angst" do you not understand. Your ad hominem attack is quite inaccurate.

                      Your dreams show that you are the one with angst and in denial as to the effects of radiation poisoning in our world.

                      Your decision at 11 years old to not be afraid of nukes denies all scientific and medical knowledge and shows an unwillingness to accept any scientific findings when it comes to nuclear and radiation poisoning.

                      All the nuclear energy nations are showing population declines when you exclude immigration figures.

                      I'm trying to save lives. You can't even acknowledge that, because you can't acknowledge the extent of the lives lost to radiation poisoning.

                      Your position reflects the pro-nuke community.

                      For the sake of the children, I wish you understood the reason to abolish nuclear energy and weapons forever: to save the pain and suffering of all the children of the world and of future geerations.

                      If it were a criminal action to be pro-nuke, all the pro-nukers would stop trying to destroy the world and would stop advocating nuclear energy and would stop stealing everyone's money. They wouldn't espouse views that would put them in jail.


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                    • [Sigh.] I gave you every opportunity, you just couldn't help it. Thanks for the confirmation.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      "[Sigh.] I gave you every opportunity, you just couldn't help it. Thanks for the confirmation."


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          • flatsville

            There's a great need for nuclear remediation engineers. Most university programs are focused on research and generation.

            Some posters here obviously don't see the point…to anything anymore. It doesn't mean they're right.

            People who now live by plants in the decomissioning process would likely agree they want competent, remediation trained engineers on the job.


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      • jec jec

        The radiation can be SEEN with Magna BC's technology installed at Fukushima and OTHER locations
        From the above link, Bibliography link..see this comment:
        "Magna’s head, Haim Siboni, said the thermal cameras also have the ability to detect the presence of radioactive clouds in the air. “Using these special cameras, we can also identify radioactive clouds, due to the spectrum that our cameras can sense,” Magna CEO Haim Siboni told The Jerusalem Post."
        So cameras can sense the radiation..the technology is clearly available..why isnt it being used? Costs probably, but use would help victims being forced to live in contaminated areas.


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        • VanneV anne

          Obviously, the nuclear industry would rather kill billions of people than liability and have to stop stealing everyone's money by spreading nuclear technology.

          I shudder to think of Egypt, as just one example, with nuclear energy. There are many starving people in Egypt, and they are slaves under a military government. They definitely cannot afford nuclear energy which causes an economic depression every where nuclear energy is introduced.


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  • Thank you Anne for this information which I have taken the liberty of quoting in my comment in a newsreport which appeared in Deccan Herald today:
    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/370719/pm-warns-terror-attack-during.html


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    • VanneV anne

      You are welcome, navilu.

      It was the great Dr. John Gofman, Medical Physicist, in Nuclear Witnesses who said:

      "Licensing a nuclear power plant is in my view, licensing random premeditated murder. First of all, when you license a plant, you know what you're doing—so it's premeditated. You can't say, ’I didn't know.’ Second, the evidence on radiation-producing cancer is beyond doubt. I've worked fifteen years on it [as of 1982], and so have many others. It is not a question any more: radiation produces cancer, and the evidence is good all the way down to the lowest doses."
      http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/nwJWG.html


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    It's going to be funny to see how many people at TEPCO call in sick next week.


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  • Shaker1

    I thank you, too, anne, for the pastes from globalresearch. I've quit visiting the site over my sadness regarding what's going on in the ME. Not that I didn't want to know, just that I felt I already knew and reading of the games played there clutter the thinking better used for other things, and those particulars won't discourage me from flying my 'no war' sign publicly.

    The information is what I expected anyway. It's too bad PattiB was so difficult to follow, whether it was her fault of the fault of problems with different sites truncating her work.

    Finally, beyond PattiB and mere suspicions, is an explanation for the damage at Unit 4. Anyone with an sense of the sources of hydrogen couln't possibly accept Tepco's explanation.

    Honestly, it's just another example of why we as humanity need to burst the fallacy of the right or need of secrecy, either on governmental levels or the private levels that are part of the public sphere beyond the individual. We cannot keep allowing the dichotomies in our lives, being an ass in one's job to go home and be a responsible, loving individual are just personal justifications for denial of the connections of each and every aspect of our lives to the whole. A secular life really does not exist separate from one's sacred life. What one does publicly happens in a sacred space. Separation of the material and the spiritual is little more than linguistic and intellectual gymnastics in attempts to evade ultimate…


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    • ftlt

      Shaker: Much if this here is clutter too..

      From Daily Mail like links junk to alarmist fixations (See, the end of the world LA. Sink Hole posts)

      GR is a place to touch now and then… No place is perfect..

      For years, they resisted the idea of Climate Change and environmentalism with the best of them.. They are softening on these topics there now – think the 400 CO2 PPM report, the mega storms and FUFU have awoken them..

      Remember, they are economists after all – even if they have better politics than most..

      NPR is always bringing in economists for us to understand Climate Change.. FUFU will certainly get the same treatment as it becomes unavoidable public knowledge…

      Economists are the weather men of the soft science intellectual world.. They can't go out more than a day or 2 with any hope of accuracy..

      PS I do enjoy your posts..


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  • pkjn

    Japanese press baulks at push for 'fascist' secrecy laws
    The Australian November 25, 2013
    The bill – which the government insists is necessary amid worsening security threats – would allow official collusion and corruption of the kind unearthed in the Fukushima nuclear disaster to flourish.
    The withholding of radiation data after the Fukushima disaster showed the Japanese government was predisposed to hiding information from its citizens and this law would only make things worse.
    The law could be used to stymie access to facts on nuclear accidents.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/japanese-press-baulks-at-push-for-fascist-secrecy-laws/story-e6frg996-1226767298077#


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  • WWJD WWJD

    This past week I recorded the longest climb WITHOUT rain using my outside geiger counter monitoring station. Here is a screen shot: http://s23.postimg.org/bhm26ldej/NETC_South_Beloit_Illinois_11_24_2013_1241pm_CST.jpg


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  • bdais92

    I believe you can watch videos on youtube that show you exactly how to build an LED fixture, how to wire it and sodder? it to the mother boards……… Also how to build your own solar panels to reduce the need of the power grid.


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Since throwing the towel in for U4FSP is not a good idea, preparation for the worst should include the possibility of it starting up as a nuclear reactor without control rods, then dealing with subsequent meltdown and heat should be the first preparation. Water is not the answer. Suggestion: Mount a strong stainless steel tank, able to withstand powerful explosions, and fill with small lead and boron files, mounted next to the pool with a big chute pointing directly over the center. 4000 metric Ton with a blower turbine to inject or spray over the melting rods. The files will fuse into the corium reducing the reaction and will solidify it. End of suggestion.
    Please respond.


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  • Have we been given a specific on what kind of nuclear explosion occured in Unit 3 ! Hydrogen = white plume Radioactive Nucleides = Black Plume. Criticalities don't cause explosions. I'm not suggesting anything. Honestly wondering. We're gonna be pulling this place to pieces for the next 1000 yrs….so what was the big bang all about?


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    • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L-xp0HUBys
      You will notice a white plume in this pyrophoric fire which is only one of the more than 1000 Pu244 fissionable products. The Pu atom is known for housing gas in what can be described as nano-cavities. Heat + fission + exposure + water atom separation = hydrogen + oxygen + explosion + pyrophoric fire + criticality – quantity and density varied. The order in which this happens is not always predictable unless planned and controlled. A rod which is in an 'agitated condition' stays hot and relies on its built in structural composition for fission capabilities and restraints. I hope this helps, and the problem is that every bang affects a few million people. The radiation is not measured accurately in every country, neither is it published in a way for everyone to understand exactly what the immediate and postponed dangers are. Many go by statistics. These are also not published accurately in many countries. Correct this where it is wrong.


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  • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

    Haven't wanted to post for a while….

    Just checking the Chernobyl progress tonight….

    For all those watchin fukucam!!! Cherbnobyl happened when I was at school (25 years ago!!)

    here's the live feed of the new 'cover' being worked on 25 years later! YES THEY HAVE A LIVE FEED SHOWING HOW THEY'RE 'DEALING' WITH THIS DISASTER THAT PEOPLE THINK 'was part of history' and…. WILL NO LONGER AFFECT THEM!!

    http://www.chnpp.gov.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=230&Itemid=101&lang=en

    Just want to point out where all you youngster's will be in 25 years (watchin' vids of current progress with fuku!!!) U think Chernobyl ended????

    Chernobyl will be an issue for the next 10,000 years…. MY GOD… it's only been 25 and they're having to build a 'NEW ROOF' costing an UNIMAGINABLE amount to the taxpayer!

    U really want to see where FUKDAICHI leads…call me back in 25 years and we'll discuss Chernobyl and nuclear!!

    If the Sarcophagus collapses at Chernobyl it would be the equivalent of SPF4 dropping, the release would be an ELE! yet everyone thinks that chernobyl is 'sorted' "OK. that nuke disaster happened and has ended" !!!!!!!!!

    Watch the CAM, look at the cost!!!! Look at the investment into the new cover from across the world!!!!

    We haven't dealt with chernobyl yet….let alone FUKU!!!! In 10,000 years our race may be able to 'decommision' Chernobyl…..if anyone is still alive after FUKU! These are time frames our…


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    • VanneV anne

      +1000000000000 TY, tooktheredpill

      I almost died 3 years after Chernobyl. No one told me the dairy products were affected by Chernobyl. No one told me about the meltdown in Santa Susanna. No one told me about the meltdown in Chalk River. No one told me radiation from Soviet accidents reach the US. No one told me about the connection between nuclear testing and dairy products, or that the rivers are full of nuclear waste.

      I told my sister that radiation from Fukushima is circling the globe every 40 days. She was shocked. So few people are getting this info. She wanted to have a picnic at San Onofre before it is torn down. No one told her that everything around San Onofre is extremely radioactive and will be for thousands of years or that decommissioning it won't get rid of the radiation.


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      • wtg – anne

        No one told me either.

        990 days of continuous triple meltdowns spewing radioactive contamination globally.
        http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=march+11+2011

        990 / 40 = 24

        ''24'' would be the approximate number of times FALLOUT has circled the globe.

        Accumulating and depositing it's 'hot' contents each time. It can come down rain or shine. Falling onto the grass, into the river or into a lung.

        If a miracle happened and it all stopped today. The damage done is still horrendous.

        I hope and pray every day that this insidious debacle ceases!

        It must STOP, if future generations are to have any kind of a chance at existence.


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      • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

        Hi Anne,

        Appreciated ur last post to mine about being able to quote article's when needed. :-)

        What scares me is all on here really aren't getting the time frame's……….

        I'm a 'middle aged' man who spent his childhood worried (day in and out) that he was gonna be blown away in nuclear destruction (I can't explain what that was like to a young person today cause they have no comparison!)

        Then Chernobyl happened! I spent day's, weeks, years exploring what had actually happened…..I realised then (as I know now) Chernobyl will be an issue for humanity 10,000 year's from now!!!!

        Then I started going backwards and trying to put this into context!!! THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT LESS THAN 5000 YEAR'S AGO yet there isn't a single human being on this planet that can explain categorically WHY!??? America's history is only 300 years. In the UK we couldn't even imagine what it was like before the first world war (less than a hundred years!!!!)

        I've already said a NPP takes six generations!!!

        We live in our time (two/three generations) and our live's are only governed by what we grow up with and what we see around us. How many american's can relate to Washington and The bill of rights??? yet this was only a few hundred years ago…………………..

        Nuclear time frame's go beyond human understanding!!

        FUKU will impact for millenia!!!!


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      .. :) No one told anybody anything, and yes, education is a by law mandatory measure as this Nuclear Darkness is quietly maintained by/through legal enforcement of enacted "Civil Authority" laws. :(


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  • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

    mind cannot deal with!!

    The average lifespan of a NPP cover's SIX generations from planning to decomission (if there isn't an accident!)

    http://nuclear-news.net/2013/10/29/just-under-100-years-to-clean-up-uk-nuclear-plant-if-theyre-lucky/

    My god there's been two WORLD WAR'S just in the past three generation's!!!!!!

    WTF?????


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  • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

    Luv the fact that EVERY1's "worried" on here……

    WHERE HAS THE LOUISIANA SINKHOLE ISSUE GONE FOR THE PAST FEW MONTH'S????

    My god we would have thought the world was ending with the amount of posts!!!

    NOTHING!!!

    'Thought's of conspiracy are natural…Real conspiracies are rarely recocognised because the manipulation make's you question your sanity!"


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  • razzz razzz

    Trouble in paradise? No real plan to remove fuel, play it by ear. Logic would suggest to remove the unused fuel first. Older fuel doesn't fission very well plus it is brittle from undergoing all the heat and cold shutdowns and start ups. Something must be wrong with TEPCO's decision making process.


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  • lyvette

    Is it possible that the WORST has ALREADY happened with SPF#4 and the whole "removal" is just for theatre??
    http://plumegate.wordpress.com/


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    • pattersonp

      What a great site.

      The videos and pictures they are showing are probably from pre-2011,

      I checked EXIF data on all the pictures coming from SPF4 lately and they have the dates associated with them, i.e. Nov. 2013

      So either they are doctoring EXIF data or the pictures are not from Fukushima Daiichi at all… Maybe Daiini?


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  • pattersonp

    Arnie: "Hey Chris, use the fuel pellet bit we talked about on Skype… the completely hypothetical situation that could occur"

    Harris: "Ok Arnie, let me memorize the talking points. I won't forget to ask for donations after I dazzle the crowd with my fear mongering".


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    • Jebus Jebus

      hey pattersonp, you make a great devils advocate… :)


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      • pattersonp

        " given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate."

        I am 100% skeptical of Arnie and Dr. Helen 100% of the time. I agree with me, myself and I 100% on that. In saying that, i am not pro-nuclear, I understand its a mistake. I am also pro-forming_my_own_researched_opinions

        I think Arnie and Caldicott are the Devil's advocates here according to above definition… especially with the text-book explanations from their cozy podcasts or paid for-profit conferences and their shilly history of fear-mongering uneducated sheep.

        This sums it up "…the tactic of the anti-nuclear shills is to scare people with sensational propaganda so that they will be driven to the conclusion the anti-nuclear "shills" want them to be driven to." If you look for Fukushima you will find it everywhere because you want to find it, sadly.


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