State Experts: We don’t know where the oil and gas is coming from below giant sinkhole — “That’s really something that we really need to understand” — Sample didn’t match Big Hum crude (VIDEO)

Published: December 19th, 2012 at 3:37 pm ET
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Follow-up to: Sinkhole Geologist: Deeper oil and gas deposits may be coming up from below Big Hum reservoir -- "Nobody in the world has ever faced a situation like this, that's the reality" (VIDEO)

Title: Bayou Corne Resident MTG
Source: rainbeaudais
Date: Dec 18, 2012

Part 5 at 5:00 in

Will Pettitt, general manger of Itasca, a worldwide firm that specializes in rock mechanics:

We don’t know much about the rock properties through the sedimentary layer, including the petro-physical properties. That’s like where the gas and the oil is coming from that we’re observing. That’s really something that we really need to understand.

Part 5 at 14:15 in

Gary Hecox, a Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure Inc. geologist working on the issue for the State of Louisiana:

We were talking in the past two or three talks about the Big Hum. We did get the fingerprint analysis back, both the gas and the crude did not match the sampled Big Hum oil we got on the north side of the dome.

So the upshot of that is right now, we don’t know where the gas and the oil are coming from.

Watch the 2-hour meeting here

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69 comments to State Experts: We don’t know where the oil and gas is coming from below giant sinkhole — “That’s really something that we really need to understand” — Sample didn’t match Big Hum crude (VIDEO)

  • FREEDOMROX

    No, that should be the FOCUS, otherwise you can't understand. All drilling wells should be 'fingerprinted' as soon as possible, and that especially means Petrodome.


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  • markww markww

    This is exactly why in the beginning I said to X RAY or do Doppler soundings from NASA and see where and what is going on underground. NO ONE MAPPED a thing they just DRILLED haphazardly and had no BACK UP SAFETY PLANNING.

    SHORT SIGHTED PEOPLE

    MARKWW


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  • jec jec

    Thought somewhere they mentioned fingerprinting the close by candidate oil. AND I would be very very suprised if the oil companys did NOT fingerprint their oil fields. Especially as a second company drilling nearby might get into it.
    Dont know all the rules..but the US government..leases oil rights..in some instances..would think there would be a LOT OF AVAILABLE INFO AND DATA. Just saying..it seems funny there each time an accident happens..no one knows anything..no surveys, studies.samples..go figure..

    From now the citizens of an area impacted by a company's errors..should NOT have to prove ill health is caused by the accident. IF the chemical is in the mix vented/dumped/or ?? and the side effects are known..then those with a doctor affidavit of specific illness should have those injuries covered for their lifetimes. Take the proof out of the hands of the companies. Let the company PROVE their chemical/accidents were NOT responsible…


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Ha! Pettitt said 734' round 140 deep, then TB puts out the report last night about the depth and now this video. Really makes Pettitt look like he doesn't know what he's talking about!


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Sure he does! Pettitt knows all about Mt. Rushmore, and a Virginia Coal Mine, and if you buy my book on sale at $19.95, then I also have a cure all here in this little green bottle, and if you buy six for a thousand dollars, you get one free…and..and…you won't even see a sinkhole anymore! Promise!


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    Do you think if I ask nicely APPJ will do a flyover with a thermal-imaging camera, preferably at night ?


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  • razzz razzz

    I was waiting for more data but they don't have any, it is like still being at square one. Wonder how deep the exploratory wells will have to go if a new oil deposit was found? 6,000ft seems shallow.

    They have a bank of computers with no data to feed into them or all data fed in since the beginning is erroneous. Only been treating the symptoms and been guessing about events so far.

    I am sure any owners of producing wells in the area know the signatures of their oil so they can protect their rights in case some other well taps into it.

    "I'm from the Government and here to help."


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  • FREEDOMROX

    with all the criss-crossing well bores from 2003 to now, it is anyone's guess, razz. This is one of the dynamics I have tried to get through to Thad and others but no one seems to get it, except David.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      if any or all of the boreholes are leaking then there is a fresh water unlimited supply from the bottom up, and fresh water drenching the west side's collapsed rock zone, and an unknown size of void space equals a major collapse of a lot more than just the 'stinhole area.


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      • davidh7426 davidh7426

        Here's a cheery little thought to help you sleep tonight…

        If the 'modern' boreholes can cause such havoc by springing a leak, what about all the 'dead' caverns, the ones that are plugged and forgotten about and in some cases possibly lost to human knowledge. Just how safe are they after all these years.

        That salt dome must have more holes than proverbial swiss cheese.

        The only thing making this one more dangerous is that the cavern is open to the 'outside' world, not (hopefully) airtight like the others.

        We've been poking holes into that salt-dome since the 40's, no-one knows whats down there anymore, or how much structure is left in the dome that hasn't been compromised.

        Sorry, I tend to waffle a bit sometimes.


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    So, this can only mean that the theory of a partial wall collapse into the Big Hum is incorrect, right? This must mean that there are either other erosions of the salt dome allowing oil and gas to migrate through cracks or channels in the salt from one cavern to the next, OR, someone did frack after all, and punched through some caverns diagonally or horizontally. Or?


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Actually we KNOW Big Hum is not involved. That's it, but I did notice one thing that just jumped out at me and been in my head all day!
      "They contain components of
      the comparison standard but are also contaminated with another lighter hydrocarbon component that is not
      in the comparison standard. Samples 041-092212-01 and 041-092212-02 have a number of compounds
      present at retention time 4 to 7 minutes but the comparison standard does not"

      http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/portal/Portals/0/BayouCorne/20144605FINGERPRINT_fr.pdf

      What I have been able to piece together is that the lighter ones are so close to refined gasoline that it isn't funny… It's unreal! Only thing that could run a trace study and also contain high sulfur content would be components of ethylene, and ethane mixed at higher than normal levels than present in Big HUM!
      I do not like where this is heading at all.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Weren't we floating rumors early on that BP dumped oil with Corexit into one or more of the caverns after the Gulf spill? Ethylene and sulfur – now that's starting to sound like propylene or a derivative thereof. wiki says -

        Corexit 9527
        The proprietary composition is not public, but the manufacturer's own safety data sheet on Corexit EC9527A says the main components are 2-butoxyethanol and a proprietary organic sulfonate with a small concentration of propylene glycol.[18][19]
        [edit]Corexit 9500
        In response to public pressure, the EPA and Nalco released the list of the six ingredients in Corexit 9500, revealing constituents including sorbitan, butanedioic acid, and petroleum distillates.[4] Corexit EC9500A is made mainly of hydrotreated light petroleum distillates, propylene glycol and a proprietary organic sulfonate.[20] Environmentalists also pressured Nalco to reveal to the public what concentrations of each chemical are in the product; Nalco considers that information to be a trade secret, but has shared it with the EPA.[21] Propylene glycol is a chemical commonly used as a solvent or moisturizer in pharmaceuticals and cosmetics, and is of relatively low toxicity. An organic sulfonate (or organic sulfonic acid salt) is a synthetic chemical detergent, that acts as a surfactant to emulsify oil and allow its dispersion into water. The identity of the sulfonate used in both forms of Corexit was disclosed to the EPA in June 2010, as dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate…


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Should this be true, it could go a long way to explain why the salt dome would start to break up, why the oil and methane isn't moving in expected patterns, and why there is a continued intermix of fluids that would not normally mix as they are. More wikipedia -
          In 2010, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A were used in large quantities in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[9][10] The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) had pre-approved both forms of Corexit for uses in emergencies such as the Gulf oil spill.[11] Corexit 9580 was used during the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill disaster in Alaska.
          On May 19, 2010 the EPA gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit, selected from the list of EPA-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule,[12] and begin applying them within 72 hours of EPA approval of their choices; or, if BP could not find an alternative, to provide a report on the alternative dispersants investigated and reasons for their rejection.[13] BP took the latter option, citing safety and availability concerns with alternatives.[14]


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          • Radio VicFromOregon

            Or, just more swamp gas, H2S, and ethylene, anaerobically fermented vegetation pulled into the sinkhole. Or, something like propylene or other industrial chemicals that have somehow migrated out of their caverns up and over into the sinkhole mix. These don't explain the sinkhole behavior, and i think having ruled out the Big Hum and the whole hydrological displacement and rebalancing that went with it, it's time to start over again. I would, however, like to suggest that the actual lab that is testing the samples be changed and start being handled out of the area with an expectation of faster and more accurate results. Maybe change the sample takers, too. Not at a lab beholden to the various players and potential rascals. A week, max for a complete assay. Drop it off Monday afternoon and get the results faxed back by Friday. In fact, many of these could even be done more quickly. This side of things is going at a "be sure to put it on the back burner" speed. Something or someone is slowing down a process that requires far quicker results and decisionmaking than what is being allowed. It feels and smells like a pea and shell game and borders on outright interference. Over 3 months and no one can tell anyone what is in the sinkhole, how big it is, what it's pressure is, etc. They are all estimates and guesstimates. If the locals weren't pointing a finger and saying "lookey here" at oil and bubbles and dead trees, no testing would be done at all.


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            • davidh7426 davidh7426

              I hope your wrong about the Corexit 9500 being dumped into one of those caverns, because that would almost certainly mean that 'SYNTHIA' is in there too.

              Synthia with an 'all you can eat buffet' of hydrocarbons in that salt-dome. An absolute nightmare, especially as Synthia can exist, and has been found IN humans.

              For those who don't know Synthia has also been called the Zombie Bug.


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      • FREEDOMROX

        Actually, I want to amend the post I made much earlier…We don't know whether Big Hum alone is involved, but I will say that no matter which oil sands are involved, we do take not of the higher lighter hydrocarbons NOT associated with crude oil! Other dynamics are at play here and one of these caverns has something in it not disclosed and is involved, and that fact is being covered up..that we do know.


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Dr. Hecox once stated that it could be more than one, so what if the Big Hum and the Marg and/or Cris are both coming up?


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    • FREEDOMROX

      No built, I think we are looking at another cavern leaking. The lighter hydrocarbons are so light that they only exist within refined gasoline, or contained within a cavern.
      You saw yourself the data sheet on how many holes have been drilled around each cavern….this is not good.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    I haven't a clue as to the transmission path, method, nothing…because this fingerprint looks like it was took from the local Sinclair Gas Station.


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Oh no…. thanks for the update.. today was way too busy and I am so far behind :-( . So the fingerprint appears to be from one or more of the caverns. Yes I saw that, but that freaking ipad is not good for those types of things and I was getting frustrated with it, so I didn't get to see much. Will go back and check it out. Again, thanks for the update. I have lots to read …


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  • FREEDOMROX

    I just discovered this myself, so don't think anything about it. I have been super busy today as well, but looking forward to tomorrow, for I get a break. Yeah, right…
    I say that everyday. It's always something…..


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  • markww markww

    THERE ARE CAVERNS FULL OF GASOLINE AND KEROSENE under the Act for saving fuels in case we needed them. SOPR strategic Oil Preserve and Gasoline Act

    The Governnment let companies store

    Gasoline
    Oil
    Butane and every other FUEL in Domes, now they all might be MIGRATING into ONE DOME SYSTEM, could this be happening??

    Water dissolves salt layers and brine has water too so could slowly eat away salt. Then creates a revolving motion top to bottom something like a washing machine churning things up and down

    JUST MY THEORY

    Markww


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    • FREEDOMROX

      I don't think so Mark. NPLV is not a part of the Strategic Oil Reserve. But, they've lied about everything else, but No, doesn't look like that.

      I do agree that if multiple sources of freshwater were entering quite a few of the wellbores and eating away from bottom, then it would be outward movement until equilibrium took place at each site. That would constitute cracks in unknown areas from surface down. Interesting, but hard to prove until the 6000 ft. wells are placed. It would be analogous to chopping a cheese wheel into many different slices while maintaining a steady load on top, while pockets within were filled with gas and liquids.

      Interesting in the extreme, but difficult to prove.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    I am beginning to see that there is an underground aquifer much deeper, causing the water drive of Big Hum, Marg Vag, Cris….so it must be much lower than originally thought. Petrodome and Golden Gate both state a 'Strong' Water Drive, but also an "UNKNOWN" Drive mechanism. This indicates an unknown gas pressure, most likely a tapped into Methane Drive mechanism…again relating to the Gulf Of Mexico! Why? Because Petrodome is on the South East Side of the NPLV Dome…


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