Published: December 19th, 2012 at 3:37 pm ET
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Follow-up to: Sinkhole Geologist: Deeper oil and gas deposits may be coming up from below Big Hum reservoir -- "Nobody in the world has ever faced a situation like this, that's the reality" (VIDEO)
Title: Bayou Corne Resident MTG
Source: rainbeaudais
Date: Dec 18, 2012
Part 5 at 5:00 in
Will Pettitt, general manger of Itasca, a worldwide firm that specializes in rock mechanics:
We don’t know much about the rock properties through the sedimentary layer, including the petro-physical properties. That’s like where the gas and the oil is coming from that we’re observing. That’s really something that we really need to understand.
Part 5 at 14:15 in
Gary Hecox, a Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure Inc. geologist working on the issue for the State of Louisiana:
We were talking in the past two or three talks about the Big Hum. We did get the fingerprint analysis back, both the gas and the crude did not match the sampled Big Hum oil we got on the north side of the dome.
So the upshot of that is right now, we don’t know where the gas and the oil are coming from.
Watch the 2-hour meeting here
Published: December 19th, 2012 at 3:37 pm ET
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No, that should be the FOCUS, otherwise you can't understand. All drilling wells should be 'fingerprinted' as soon as possible, and that especially means Petrodome.
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Want to really get sick? I mean HURL?
The Tuscaloosa Marine Shale
http://brac.org/docs/catalyst/BRAC_Catalyst_Jan_Apr_2012_Shale.pdf
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This is exactly why in the beginning I said to X RAY or do Doppler soundings from NASA and see where and what is going on underground. NO ONE MAPPED a thing they just DRILLED haphazardly and had no BACK UP SAFETY PLANNING.
SHORT SIGHTED PEOPLE
MARKWW
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Agreed, Mark. All in the name of greed.
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Agreed wholeheartedly, markww.
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Thought somewhere they mentioned fingerprinting the close by candidate oil. AND I would be very very suprised if the oil companys did NOT fingerprint their oil fields. Especially as a second company drilling nearby might get into it.
Dont know all the rules..but the US government..leases oil rights..in some instances..would think there would be a LOT OF AVAILABLE INFO AND DATA. Just saying..it seems funny there each time an accident happens..no one knows anything..no surveys, studies.samples..go figure..
From now the citizens of an area impacted by a company's errors..should NOT have to prove ill health is caused by the accident. IF the chemical is in the mix vented/dumped/or ?? and the side effects are known..then those with a doctor affidavit of specific illness should have those injuries covered for their lifetimes. Take the proof out of the hands of the companies. Let the company PROVE their chemical/accidents were NOT responsible…
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I will check my documents, because I seem to remember in August/ September there were a few companies that were fingerprinted.
Again, there is an atty for some of these people who should be investigating this and jumping up and down yelling at these people. Where is Jindal, where is Mary and what did they do with the Representative to gave that good interview… Hopefully he is not on a missing persons list somewhere! ugh
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You two wanna see something really sick? Click on Assumption at this link…
http://www.lgs.lsu.edu/deploy/content/PUBLI/contentpage16.php
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I'm never gonna sleep tonite!!! This link just makes me wanna research more! Looking for some BP stuff too! My family is beginning to miss me!! Lol
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Sorry…. the amout of wells drilled in that itty bitty place is mind boggling.
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@freedomrox, you have probably seen this, but if not, visual at http://climateviewer.com/earth/
click on pollution, then salt dome disasters and check out Louisiana..(takes a minute to load, zoom in) then click on some of those Mr. Yuk's and it shows 5 or 6 more at some of the same sites.. unbelievable amount of wells.. holes in the ground..
geez Swiss cheese on steroids.. and Mr Yuk is right.
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Sadly Climateviewer doesn't work on Linux, so I can't see it. Is the info available elsewhere ?
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@davidh7426; I use Linux also. Can you install virtualbox-free and then install Windows XP – that's how I see it. If you need a disk let me know <wink><wink>
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There's another possibility that I want to check first.
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@ibuiltthis..
PRECISION LEVEL SURVEYS AND SUBSIDENCE
ANALYSIS, NAPOLEONVILLE SALT DOME
GRAND BAYOU, LOUISIANA
2012 REPORT TO NAPOLEONVILLE OPERATORS
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/12.Napoleonville.Subreport.pdf
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"Again, there is an atty for some of these people who should be investigating this and jumping up and down yelling at these people."
And maybe for explaining Louisiana's eminent domain laws that were changed in 2006.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Louisiana_Eminent_Domain_Act,_Amendment_5_(September_2006)
"Proposed Constitutional Amendment retains existing law and provides that except for purposes of industrial development, establishing and furnishing industrial plants, operation of public ports or providing movable or immovable property for pollution control facilities, property shall not be taken or damaged by the state or its political subdivisions for predominant use by any private person or entity or for the transfer of ownership to any private person or entity."
Evacuating for safety and health concerns is wise, but can the land be condemned for residential use if abandoned?
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http://www.castlecoalition.org/component/content/article/25-standalone/1347-state-louisiana
Louisiana
•Each piece of property must be a threat to public health and safety to be condemned for blight.
•Condemnations for industrial parks and port facilities are forbidden on residential property.
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If abandoned, then it will become another Love Canal. If you are old enough to remember that, then you know the answer. If not, then "yes".
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Freedom, I read about the Love Canal last night and saw that it was owned by Hooker who became Occidental.
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Now you see the connection. You are a Rock Star!
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That is, you do know that the Salt Cavern in question at NPLV was called "Hooker 3", then Vulcan 3, then Oxy 3, right?
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Yep!
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If you would like to read about the history of these Corporate outlaws, please visit: http://pubs.acs.org/supplements/chemchronicles2/pdf/017.pdf
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Wondered if they're in the 'wasteland' business?
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In mid-2010, a jury awarded $2.5 million to the family of a former Hooker Chemical employee in a 6-week trial before the New York State Supreme Court. The family claimed that the employee, who had died of mesothelioma, worked to repair valves which were known by the company to contain dangerous asbestos. Furthermore, the lawyer for the family stated that Hooker Chemical officials “had specifically ordered the valves to contain asbestos,” despite the fact that its hazards were apparent.
http://www.asbestos.com/chemical-plants/hooker-chemical-plant.php
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I would have to wonder if they are not… All have went one step too far, and we see the creation of another 'Love Canal'. There plenty more examples on the web of Hooker's crimes besides these two.
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2003-2004 Isotech reports of a couple of wells at salt dome. Hard to compare on this iPad.
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/DATA_SAMPLING/IsotechGasData_GulfSouthMagnoliaProject.pdf
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Oh sorry, I forgot that I found the gas fingerprints here, and a bunch more, but not oil:
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=pagebuilder&tmp=home&pid=961
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Did you compare them?
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Still doing so side by side….As you know this takes a while. So many will show a lot of the same composition and percentage, then one thing is off, and out it goes. These are mainly cavern contents, but I don't want to miss anything. Golden Gate has not released it's oil fingerprint, which is the only way we will ever verify it. If it is at LDNR, then I haven't been able to locate it yet.
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Finally on laptop… I will pull some Australian sites to see if I can find.
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This is damn near impossible without an program to sift sims. Takes forever, but nothing so far matches a fingerprint provided, no.
With a sim. program and a whole staff, this is how a 'fingerprint' of methane looks:
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/DATA_SAMPLING/201206fingerprint_gas_plot_2_fi_331.pdf
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NEW FLY OVER TODAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/assumptionla
MARKWW
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GOOD LORD! Have they experienced major flooding? Look at the size of Lake Oxy 3. Texas Brine will not have a staging area before long.
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Sorry, thx for the link Mark. We are seeing land subsiding here. I don't think they have had THAT much rain. No wonder they had to move the ramp back another 50 ft.
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It's so nice to see that the APPJ has a sense of humor.
Waiting till the TB exec states that the sinkhole won't get much bigger, only for the APPJ to post 2 videos on Youtube that show a humongous lake that looks ready to swallow the TB storage facility.
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I think Martin Triche, if that is him, did this to impress just how unimpressed he was about last night's meeting. He was pretty hellfire and brimstone himself. Kind of a slap in the face of TB Martin, and especially Petitt..
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I think 'unimpressed' pretty much sums up how everybody ( and I'm talking worldwide ) feels about TB and their assorted glove puppets.
On a side note: Is TB's Martin related to Prof. 'Raty' Ratard, because when he stepped up to the mic, I could have sworn it was Raty with a shave and a different accent.
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Ha! Pettitt said 734' round 140 deep, then TB puts out the report last night about the depth and now this video. Really makes Pettitt look like he doesn't know what he's talking about!
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Sure he does! Pettitt knows all about Mt. Rushmore, and a Virginia Coal Mine, and if you buy my book on sale at $19.95, then I also have a cure all here in this little green bottle, and if you buy six for a thousand dollars, you get one free…and..and…you won't even see a sinkhole anymore! Promise!
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Do you think if I ask nicely APPJ will do a flyover with a thermal-imaging camera, preferably at night ?
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Would be nice wouldn't it?
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It would answer a few questions I have about convection currents in the brine cavern.
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Yeah, me too, but good luck with that. I asked about that two months ago…no reply.
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I'll put it on my wish list to Santa, right along side "putting TB on the 'naughty list' permanently". The big guy owes me a few favors.
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Perhaps some one could suggest the thermal-imaging camera at the next town meeting. At least it'll be fun watching the answer.
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Perhaps a little tough love is needed with Assumption Parish city officials. Their next meeting is on the 26th.
This is their contact form:
http://www.assumptionla.com/contact-us
If you want to have proof of having contacted them use Faxzero.
It gives you five free faxes per day. It also gives you a confirmation number when the fax was successfully sent.
http://faxzero.com/
Maybe a bunch of upset Enenewsers can make them answer why they haven't used thermal imaging or any readily available infrared technologies. Or they can tell why they haven't enlisted the help of the Louisiana government to do so. My concern is that they already have and if anyone sees that images there's going to be chaos.
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I was waiting for more data but they don't have any, it is like still being at square one. Wonder how deep the exploratory wells will have to go if a new oil deposit was found? 6,000ft seems shallow.
They have a bank of computers with no data to feed into them or all data fed in since the beginning is erroneous. Only been treating the symptoms and been guessing about events so far.
I am sure any owners of producing wells in the area know the signatures of their oil so they can protect their rights in case some other well taps into it.
"I'm from the Government and here to help."
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with all the criss-crossing well bores from 2003 to now, it is anyone's guess, razz. This is one of the dynamics I have tried to get through to Thad and others but no one seems to get it, except David.
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if any or all of the boreholes are leaking then there is a fresh water unlimited supply from the bottom up, and fresh water drenching the west side's collapsed rock zone, and an unknown size of void space equals a major collapse of a lot more than just the 'stinhole area.
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Here's a cheery little thought to help you sleep tonight…
If the 'modern' boreholes can cause such havoc by springing a leak, what about all the 'dead' caverns, the ones that are plugged and forgotten about and in some cases possibly lost to human knowledge. Just how safe are they after all these years.
That salt dome must have more holes than proverbial swiss cheese.
The only thing making this one more dangerous is that the cavern is open to the 'outside' world, not (hopefully) airtight like the others.
We've been poking holes into that salt-dome since the 40's, no-one knows whats down there anymore, or how much structure is left in the dome that hasn't been compromised.
Sorry, I tend to waffle a bit sometimes.
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Understood. THat has been my major point since the beginning.
http://www.lgs.lsu.edu/deploy/content/PUBLI/contentpage16.php
Click on Assumption.
Also, I do not live down there. I just have too many coon-a–ed friends that do live close enough for me to champion their cause. Ain't nothing like a true Cajun. I am not one.
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So, this can only mean that the theory of a partial wall collapse into the Big Hum is incorrect, right? This must mean that there are either other erosions of the salt dome allowing oil and gas to migrate through cracks or channels in the salt from one cavern to the next, OR, someone did frack after all, and punched through some caverns diagonally or horizontally. Or?
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Actually we KNOW Big Hum is not involved. That's it, but I did notice one thing that just jumped out at me and been in my head all day!
"They contain components of
the comparison standard but are also contaminated with another lighter hydrocarbon component that is not
in the comparison standard. Samples 041-092212-01 and 041-092212-02 have a number of compounds
present at retention time 4 to 7 minutes but the comparison standard does not"
http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/portal/Portals/0/BayouCorne/20144605FINGERPRINT_fr.pdf
What I have been able to piece together is that the lighter ones are so close to refined gasoline that it isn't funny… It's unreal! Only thing that could run a trace study and also contain high sulfur content would be components of ethylene, and ethane mixed at higher than normal levels than present in Big HUM!
I do not like where this is heading at all.
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Weren't we floating rumors early on that BP dumped oil with Corexit into one or more of the caverns after the Gulf spill? Ethylene and sulfur – now that's starting to sound like propylene or a derivative thereof. wiki says -
Corexit 9527
The proprietary composition is not public, but the manufacturer's own safety data sheet on Corexit EC9527A says the main components are 2-butoxyethanol and a proprietary organic sulfonate with a small concentration of propylene glycol.[18][19]
[edit]Corexit 9500
In response to public pressure, the EPA and Nalco released the list of the six ingredients in Corexit 9500, revealing constituents including sorbitan, butanedioic acid, and petroleum distillates.[4] Corexit EC9500A is made mainly of hydrotreated light petroleum distillates, propylene glycol and a proprietary organic sulfonate.[20] Environmentalists also pressured Nalco to reveal to the public what concentrations of each chemical are in the product; Nalco considers that information to be a trade secret, but has shared it with the EPA.[21] Propylene glycol is a chemical commonly used as a solvent or moisturizer in pharmaceuticals and cosmetics, and is of relatively low toxicity. An organic sulfonate (or organic sulfonic acid salt) is a synthetic chemical detergent, that acts as a surfactant to emulsify oil and allow its dispersion into water. The identity of the sulfonate used in both forms of Corexit was disclosed to the EPA in June 2010, as dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate…
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Should this be true, it could go a long way to explain why the salt dome would start to break up, why the oil and methane isn't moving in expected patterns, and why there is a continued intermix of fluids that would not normally mix as they are. More wikipedia -
In 2010, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A were used in large quantities in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[9][10] The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) had pre-approved both forms of Corexit for uses in emergencies such as the Gulf oil spill.[11] Corexit 9580 was used during the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill disaster in Alaska.
On May 19, 2010 the EPA gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit, selected from the list of EPA-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule,[12] and begin applying them within 72 hours of EPA approval of their choices; or, if BP could not find an alternative, to provide a report on the alternative dispersants investigated and reasons for their rejection.[13] BP took the latter option, citing safety and availability concerns with alternatives.[14]
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Or, just more swamp gas, H2S, and ethylene, anaerobically fermented vegetation pulled into the sinkhole. Or, something like propylene or other industrial chemicals that have somehow migrated out of their caverns up and over into the sinkhole mix. These don't explain the sinkhole behavior, and i think having ruled out the Big Hum and the whole hydrological displacement and rebalancing that went with it, it's time to start over again. I would, however, like to suggest that the actual lab that is testing the samples be changed and start being handled out of the area with an expectation of faster and more accurate results. Maybe change the sample takers, too. Not at a lab beholden to the various players and potential rascals. A week, max for a complete assay. Drop it off Monday afternoon and get the results faxed back by Friday. In fact, many of these could even be done more quickly. This side of things is going at a "be sure to put it on the back burner" speed. Something or someone is slowing down a process that requires far quicker results and decisionmaking than what is being allowed. It feels and smells like a pea and shell game and borders on outright interference. Over 3 months and no one can tell anyone what is in the sinkhole, how big it is, what it's pressure is, etc. They are all estimates and guesstimates. If the locals weren't pointing a finger and saying "lookey here" at oil and bubbles and dead trees, no testing would be done at all.
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I hope your wrong about the Corexit 9500 being dumped into one of those caverns, because that would almost certainly mean that 'SYNTHIA' is in there too.
Synthia with an 'all you can eat buffet' of hydrocarbons in that salt-dome. An absolute nightmare, especially as Synthia can exist, and has been found IN humans.
For those who don't know Synthia has also been called the Zombie Bug.
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Actually, I want to amend the post I made much earlier…We don't know whether Big Hum alone is involved, but I will say that no matter which oil sands are involved, we do take not of the higher lighter hydrocarbons NOT associated with crude oil! Other dynamics are at play here and one of these caverns has something in it not disclosed and is involved, and that fact is being covered up..that we do know.
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You creep slowly towards the truth on this Frox.
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Dr. Hecox once stated that it could be more than one, so what if the Big Hum and the Marg and/or Cris are both coming up?
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No built, I think we are looking at another cavern leaking. The lighter hydrocarbons are so light that they only exist within refined gasoline, or contained within a cavern.
You saw yourself the data sheet on how many holes have been drilled around each cavern….this is not good.
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I haven't a clue as to the transmission path, method, nothing…because this fingerprint looks like it was took from the local Sinclair Gas Station.
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Except it has the 33.3% high sulfur content, only difference I see.
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Oh no…. thanks for the update.. today was way too busy and I am so far behind
. So the fingerprint appears to be from one or more of the caverns. Yes I saw that, but that freaking ipad is not good for those types of things and I was getting frustrated with it, so I didn't get to see much. Will go back and check it out. Again, thanks for the update. I have lots to read …
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I just discovered this myself, so don't think anything about it. I have been super busy today as well, but looking forward to tomorrow, for I get a break. Yeah, right…
I say that everyday. It's always something…..
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THERE ARE CAVERNS FULL OF GASOLINE AND KEROSENE under the Act for saving fuels in case we needed them. SOPR strategic Oil Preserve and Gasoline Act
The Governnment let companies store
Gasoline
Oil
Butane and every other FUEL in Domes, now they all might be MIGRATING into ONE DOME SYSTEM, could this be happening??
Water dissolves salt layers and brine has water too so could slowly eat away salt. Then creates a revolving motion top to bottom something like a washing machine churning things up and down
JUST MY THEORY
Markww
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I don't think so Mark. NPLV is not a part of the Strategic Oil Reserve. But, they've lied about everything else, but No, doesn't look like that.
I do agree that if multiple sources of freshwater were entering quite a few of the wellbores and eating away from bottom, then it would be outward movement until equilibrium took place at each site. That would constitute cracks in unknown areas from surface down. Interesting, but hard to prove until the 6000 ft. wells are placed. It would be analogous to chopping a cheese wheel into many different slices while maintaining a steady load on top, while pockets within were filled with gas and liquids.
Interesting in the extreme, but difficult to prove.
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I am beginning to see that there is an underground aquifer much deeper, causing the water drive of Big Hum, Marg Vag, Cris….so it must be much lower than originally thought. Petrodome and Golden Gate both state a 'Strong' Water Drive, but also an "UNKNOWN" Drive mechanism. This indicates an unknown gas pressure, most likely a tapped into Methane Drive mechanism…again relating to the Gulf Of Mexico! Why? Because Petrodome is on the South East Side of the NPLV Dome…
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