Stony Brook Univ. Scientist: Fukushima radioactivity “has absolute consequences in rest of world” — “It’s carried all over the place… incorporated into sea life… causes risks to human health” (AUDIO)

Published: January 27th, 2014 at 11:14 pm ET
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Interview with Zofia Baumann, Postdoctoral Investigator at School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences Stony Brook University, KALW’s ‘Your Call’, July 8, 2012:

At 42:45 in

Zofia Baumann, Stony Brook University: From my perspective, as a person, not even a scientist, I just find this astonishing how this is an example of the interconnectedness of the world. We have to always keep this in mind when people are becoming active in certain behaviors which carry a lot risks with it — this is an example, people wanting to derive energy from nuclear power, from uranium. And yes, the accident, that basically resulted in contamination of both radioactive material, as well as debris from the tsunami and the earthquake — it’s carried all over the ocean. So this goes to prove in one part of the world has absolute consequences in the rest of the world.

At 50:15 in

Baumann: We are also learning about the stupidity of people who are placing such dangerous facilities such as the nuclear power plants right on the fault line. Therefore, I think people need to become a little bit more responsible because as we learned from our science is that the consequences are tremendous and that the radioactivity […] it’s carried all over the place and it’s absolutely incorporated into the sea life which is harmed itself by it, but also it causes risks to human health — and I think we all care about that. I think the lesson for humans is to be more responsible and plan in longer terms and try to assess science when making policies and decisions. That really, really needs to be improved.

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Compare this with another Stony Brook University scientist:

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68 comments to Stony Brook Univ. Scientist: Fukushima radioactivity “has absolute consequences in rest of world” — “It’s carried all over the place… incorporated into sea life… causes risks to human health” (AUDIO)

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Sorry http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QwMT_5ZSdU&feature=m-ch-fea

    Part 2 Ken Buesseler & Dr Jay Cullen Really Scientist Or Wacko Nuclear Lobbyist – YouTube
    This is new from tonight if anyone wants to check it out


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  • Ontological Ontological

    "I think the lesson for humans is to be more responsible and plan in longer terms and try to assess science when making policies and decisions. That really, really needs to be improved".

    I agree, however said improvement better really, really hurry.


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  • Sickputer

    Baumann: "I think people need to become a little bit more responsible"

    SP: You think so? Just a little bit? I think the victims are going to be a lot more dead.

    Bad word choice.


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  • skizexq skizexq

    (musical interlude to bad crapola in my sky.

    …"and when they spill the demon-seed, turn and face into the wind. All along you still believed, believed you were immune."

    But if love is all your missing, look into your soul…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNIQrIXlrNw


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  • We Not They Finally

    She sounds like she is scolding a class of first graders. Pick up your toys, put them in your cubbyhole, get on line for lunch, don't hit Johnny because he might hit you back, no running….

    Then there are lesson plans, think about Friday not just Monday, then we'll all sit down together and see what we've learned?

    We are only now learning about people's "stupidity," if only there were more self-improvement…. "People need to be a bit more responsible"?

    When will she start noticing that the schoolyard is already burnt down?


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  • Socrates

    I would say the same to a drunk driver who has his entire family in the car as he tries to pass a truck on a dark mountain road and hits an oncoming car. Pro-nukes were drunk with power of the atom. Their judgment is severely impaired. An idiot can see this.


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  • waterborn

    A eerily prophetic song from the sixties. We knew the consequences of NP then. Thanks for all the wonderous supportive folks here at enenews. Anyone else in Scotland?

    And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
    And what'll you do now my darling young one?
    I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin'
    I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
    Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
    Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
    Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
    And the executioner's face is always well hidden
    Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
    Where black is the color, where none is the number
    And I'll tell and speak it and think it and breathe it
    And reflect from the mountain so all souls can see it
    And I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
    But I'll know my song well before I start singing
    And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
    It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
    Bob Dylan


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    "And yes, the accident,"

    More of this accident BS.

    Take the blame off the offenders.

    In a normal accident, it is usually understood perfectly, and fixed in short time.

    Also, if it is proven to be an accident, there is a pay out from the insurance companies. Has anyone heard of any insurance companies paying for this accident? How many have filed claims for compensation? Have THEY been paid?

    And if it were an accident, why is there so much more evidence that points to the contrary, instead of the simple statement that, it was an accident?

    Hummmm…tingz to ponderate.

    .


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    • KANYUN atomicistheword

      James…

      1. Was it not known that the area was unsuitable and two atomic radiation plants built on higher ground?

      2. Since TEPCO do not own the equipment, whom is responsible for this event?

      3. The Japanese government has declared the event an act of Man.

      What TEPCO, the Japanese government and others are not telling you is that the atomic radiation industry corporations threaten indemnity clauses for their assistance. That is why the Japanese are not asking for help.

      The lawyers shall feed for years….


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  • KANYUN atomicistheword

    I like music, this ditty is dedicated to our friends @ GE, Hitachi, Toshiba, media organisations and governments…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWGoVZF0jik

    Enjoy. ;-)


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  • rogerthat

    What i find truly scary about all this stuff is the total absence of the global elite from the discussion. I mean, when terms like equivalent to 5,000, 14,000, 76,000 hiroshimas are bandied about, or the release of enough plutonium to totally depopulate planet earth many times over is proferred as an informed estimate for Fukushima's contribution to global well-being and happiness, there is nothing but silence. Are these people deaf and blind as well as stupid?
    A child can see that something bad happened to the world when Fukushima exploded. A child can see that something bad has happened to the Pacific Ocean and life in it and on its shores. A child can work out that what is killing aquatic life and animals and birds and insects and plants will sooner or later kill humans.
    A child can tell that USS Ronald Reagan and its sailors glow in the dark and face a truncated future.
    A child can tell that Japan is wrestling with a never-ending nightmare that over a long time will probably extinguish the race.
    A child living anywhere today has good reason to be worried about their continued good health, and to fear for the future, and to wonder what they can do to protect themselves.
    So far no-one in authority has offered a single word of sensible advice, though there is much that is sensible that can be done.
    Is the best the global leadership can manage? To pretend nothing happened, to pretend it's all harmless, that there is nothing to worry about?


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    • artika rama

      rogerthat IMO they are only concerned about keeping the public calm ,, in sleep ,, in coma ,, thats their job ,, lets not cause chaos !! an i am not talking only about US ,
      I dont want to get into political discussions but i think most people are awar that msm is sold so dont expect much from the media either.
      all we have left is internet now . Thanks to sites like this we can still keep getting informed and keep informing others .


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  • Sol Man

    The interview was masterfully understated, but a year and a half ago. Maybe the time thing doesn't matter as nothing has changed for the better. You've really done it this time, Ollie.


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  • KANYUN atomicistheword

    I just came across this video by the anonymous, although I don't agree with some of their philosophy, the clip is very well presented in explaining to the masses what has and is occurring…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muZp4dt3Lmw


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  • rogerthat

    yup, artika, agree with you, just having a little rant against the vast snowdrifts of bullish*t piling up across the land. will it ever stop? clowns that claim to believe in the scientific method in a world devoid of scientific data because no-one wants to measure in case they find out something.


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  • ForgingTowardstheSunset

    "We are also learning about the stupidity of people who are placing such dangerous facilities such as the nuclear power plants right on the fault line"

    Because we obviously couldn't see the stupidity of this before 3/11. No, first they have to initiate this slow-burn apocalypse, deny the reality of it and then once it is beyond clear to everyone just how serious an existential clusterf**k we are in, they might just acknowledge that "mistake were made" and that "lessons will be learnt". Disingenuous "lesson learning" and unattributed "mistakes made" provide little comfort to those who can see over the precipice, those who can sense the annihilation that awaits us


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  • earthsmith

    Deaths doorstep does not discriminate-remember this
    only those who seek absolute power scoff at this. Though they know they have no control over it . This drives them crazy because a sociopath must be a master of all including themselves. But with this one obstacle they can not. So their cowardice and weakness are exposed by this through their perverted obsessiveness to control the world. They have and will fail miserably. Because the UNIVERSE WILL NOT BE TOLD NOR CAN IT BE BOUGHT!

    May we all fall peacefully into the loving arms of eachother.


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  • It's clear to me.

    The Nuclear Nut-jobs gambled playing Nuclear Roulette on our future and lost it.

    The experts and their puppets will continue to spin the chamber with no financial or criminal risks to themselves.

    Spin, spin, spin… ;)


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    • Socrates

      Psychopathic personality disorder means that one lacks the capacity for empathy. A psychopath can become a politician, a nuclear engineer, or work on Wall Street.

      Material success in our society is worshiped more than the capacity for empathy. Our society is psychopathic. Nuclear weapons provide ultimate power.

      Horrible people gravitate to destructive power. They take risks. Sometimes they die of old age (Stalin), other times they take a whole nation down (Hitler). The common thread is lack of empathy and a desire for ultimate power. Is Abe Shinzo or even some Western leaders that different? The personality and character is the same.

      In my opinion, as a psychologist and anthropologist, the nuclear cabal is psychopathic. The Alpha monkey wants dominance. He does not care about others. He lacks humanity. One day, another monkey will depose him. Nukes lock in his power.


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      • artika rama

        socrates It seems like being a psycopath is actually required to become leaders in society . Politicians couldnt be politicians if they would have empathy .
        There was a discussion here a few days ago about choosing women as leaders as an antidote to the alpha male philosophy ,, i am thinking that lady wasnt so wrong after all .


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        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          an antidote to the alpha male philosophy ,, i am thinking that lady wasnt so wrong
          I don't agree
          Look at Clinton , Palin Madeline yikes the list goes on


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          • artika rama

            clams well ,, have to say ,, you have a point there clam :) "yikes" says it all .
            i miss george w b . at least he was funny :)


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          • clamshellernh clamshellernh

            i miss george w b . at least he was funny
            He was a national embarrassment


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          • Socrates

            Clam,

            Alpha females are also noted in anthropology. If you look at Jungian psychology, there is healthy feminine energy.

            A balance of yin and yang…..

            Jung would call these pieer skirts annimus-possessed. Freud would refer to penis envy.

            A healthy balance is necessary for all humans, male or female.

            All philosophy and science leads to the same conclusion. I arrive there with economic anthropology which "justifies" psychpathic behavior in national politics. Our system promotes this brhavior. Bad behavior is rewarded and reinforced is contemporary politics because money is its highest value. Nuclear is the tool for these primitives. Self-evident.

            Fifty years ago I wrote of this predicting that this would happen in Japan. Economic anthropology is a field developed at Yale.


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        Socrates: If you're implying the problem with the world is the Alpha male then you're wrong. The problem is the lack of balance. As in ALL things, if you do not have balance, you have chaos. The problem is there are not enough Alpha males. We need more Alpha males as investigative reporters, scientists, engineers, etc. Men have been emasculated to the extent of being irrelevant as often cited in various TV shows, magazine articles, etc. This leaves the psychopaths at the top, whose behavior mimics some traits of Alpha dominance, and nobody to push back when they go too far.


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        • Socrates

          The issues are about anthropology. Look at beehives. Their genetics define behavioral roles. Mankind gives itself too much credit, in my opinion, for its free will and democracy and other high ideals while acting warlike and shortsighted with advances in technology.

          Healthy male energy and balance are traits not in evidence in Western Society.

          Man's natural state is communal. Money is foreign to paleolithic man. Accumulation of wealth, "ownership" of land, slaves, prostitutes, drug dealers, weapons dealers, nuclear pimps….

          The Alpha male must act in a context. The present context is shaped by technological, economic and political forces that do NOT permit "hope and change." This is INTENTIONAL.

          The male is OK; the system is patriarchal and has us in a terminal deathgrip. That is intentional and backed up with technology. NSA and tactical nukes, for example. Enforced by ownership. Not "natural." Lacking in balance; unable to regain balance.

          We do not live in a natural context and cannot regain balance.


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    • Sickputer made this point above, but I feel it's worth repeating.

      "I think people need to become a little bit more responsible"
      - Baumann

      SP: "You think so?"

      How about…

      –> Become a lot MORE RESPONSIBLE and realize building anything that risks our DNA, air and water is a Tower of Babel folly that is destined to fail.

      "…the construction of the tower as a hubristic act of defiance against God ordered by the arrogant tyrant Nimrod."

      Sound Familiar?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel
      (How odd, the drawing looks like a Nuclear Cooling Tower.)

      Quote of the day:
      "There is no safety in unlimited technological hubris"
      - McGeorge Bundy
      (National Security Adviser to President JFK)


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  • bluetick

    Wonder what the next life form will be like that develop in the next million years… was dinos, then intermediate mastadons ect, to our current period, so what will be next? will it be a mutated world of new critters,


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  • American Phoenix57

    “The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

    Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity — in all this vastness — there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience.

    To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
    ― Carl Sagan


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  • Papa bear

    Misty in San Clemente. I shall not be afraid of the pestilence that walks in the darkness, nor of the destruction that waste at noon day. The most High is my habitation;Here shall no evil befall me,neither shall any plague come nigh my dwelling. Fear not either be dismayed. All these things shall come apon the earth. All we need here is an eathquake. Im thinking 6-11-14. It goes with 9-11 and 3-11. And now we wait.For waves of illness and death. Surf report 4-6 feet with an atomic high tide.


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  • ftlt

    On the fault line issue. The lower the risk the weaker they are built – meaning those in supposedly non-faulted areas are at risk as well from EQs.

    Look at North Anna power station.

    Fracking quakes are being generated on in non faulted areas – to what standards were these plants built?

    Arnie had some amazing numbers on this. Regarding, the odds of natural disasters for the universe of nuclear plants – absolutely frightening stuff, that..

    Add to this, is these bottom fed FUFU GE disasters-waiting-happen units too. That seem to have little resistance to EQs at all. I wonder if they have resistance to any problem?


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    If you get diarrhea from the tainted fish, don't tweet about it, because the EPA passed a law that you're not allowed to use your toilet when you're sick…the EPA doesn't have time to fix the Rad monitors, but they can screen your tweets to see if you are sick.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0vygsOHKZE
    Twitter messages based on search criteria EPA with the following words:
    Stomach flu, stomach bug, stomach ache, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea


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  • Nick

    Baumann: "We are also learning about the stupidity of people who are placing such dangerous facilities such as the nuclear power plants right on the"……

    ….land and waters of planet earth.

    I mean, can't we now at least admit, albeit a tad, that nuclear power plants are a stupid idea?

    We have been told that SOMEDAY we will have the proper technology to deal with the waste issue.

    IF the stuff is NOT okay for life on earth, it's stupid.

    The shills will shill and the anti-nukes will puke, but in the end, we will all suffer.

    The absolute consequences of our nuclear era will be etched into the DNA of all life on earth. Bet on it.


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  • pkjn

    January 27, 2014 Save Kids Japan
    In Japan, NOT only sea animals but the people, especially children are suffering from health hazards.
    Japanese Prime Minister has denied any health problems to realize Tokyo Olympics, but please do NOT ignore this most important issue and please save Japanese kids.
    There are already 59 thyroid cancer kids in Fukushima alone. In addition, report of leukemia high school kids are heard from Fukushima.
    Once again, health impacts have been observed. Now is NOT the time to have a festive mood over Tokyo Olympics.
    http://savekidsjapan.blogspot.jp/2014/01/letter-to-us-ambassador-3-please-dont.html


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  • maybesomeday

    Why is Fukushima being allowed to fester for going on 3 years — with no solution and no effective contaiment? Why does our (US) government do no monitoring, no testing, no warnings or protection? Why is there no international effort to deal with Fukushima? Consider this: http://newswatch.us/think-tank-extraordinary-crisis-needed-to-preserve-new-world-order/


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