Strange: 8 months later, plutonium test results still “pending” — Researcher compares Fukushima radiation to potassium — From nuclear-connected university

Published: February 22nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm ET
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Title: Radiation levels higher but safe off Fukushima Daiichi, scientists say
Source: CNN
Author: Matt Smith
Date: Feb 22, 2012

[...] But the readings amounted to a fraction of the amount of radioactivity sea life is exposed to from naturally occurring potassium in seawater, [Nicholas Fisher, a marine science professor at New York's Stony Brook University] said.

“The total radiation in the marine organisms that we collected from Fukushima is still less than the natural radiation background that the animals already had, and quite a bit less,” he said. “It’s about 20%.” [...]

Fisher said that when his group took samples in June 2011, they were not allowed within 30 kilometers (19 miles) of the plant [...]

Fisher said test results are still pending for other reactor byproducts believed to have been released by the plant, such as strontium-90 — which builds up in bone — and heavy elements like plutonium. [...]

Title: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Source: Wikipedia

Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), is a United States national laboratory located in Upton, New York on Long Island [...]

Brookhaven, which originally was owned by the Atomic Energy Commission, is now owned by the Commission’s successor, the United States Department of Energy, which subcontracts the actual research and operation to universities and research organizations. It is currently operated by Brookhaven Science Associates LLC, which is an equal partnership of Stony Brook University and Battelle Memorial Institute. It was operated by Associated Universities, Inc. (AUI), from 1947 until 1998 when Associated lost the contract in the wake of a scandal when tritium leaked

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64 comments to Strange: 8 months later, plutonium test results still “pending” — Researcher compares Fukushima radiation to potassium — From nuclear-connected university

  • hbjon hbjon

    Everyone has fed a goldfish in a fishbowl. Just imagine those fish swimming around gobbling up little pieces of food that have a tiny bit of Pu attached to it. At some point when a certain amount of it builds up in their tiny stomachs, guess what. KABOOM!


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    New Tweet
    WSJ take on US NRC actions in immediate wake of Fukushima Daiichi #nuclear accident http://on.wsj.com/yGKPLF


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  • Bobby1

    Plutonium evaluations take 3 minutes to complete, with the right equipment. If it takes 8 months, they're not looking.

    These research contracts get handed out through universities and private firms, they get subcontracted out, then the subcontractors get others subcontracted etc. It is like the Tepco workers at Fuku… but in this case, it is not getting people to risk their lives at minimum wage, it is to get professors to conduct pseudoscience. Same principle applies, though.


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  • Sickputer

    >Fisher said test results are still pending for other reactor byproducts believed to have been released by the plant, such as strontium-90 — which builds up in bone — and heavy elements like plutonium

    SP: What's the matter?

    1. Couldn't find any more lack of moral compass to release false data for the missing bad isoptopes?

    2. Or did the corporate nuke pukes owning your research facility just command you to stonewall for a few more years?

    All in favor of question number 2 please nod sagely and utter these stress-reducing words: "I will not suck in your lies like the other 99.99% of the population.


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    • ion jean ion jean

      Imagine you are a nuclear scientist with a solid position at a public health dept or prestigious university…

      You cannot accept that your whole career has been hinged on supporting an industry that turns out to have aging, crumbling infrastructure and that when accidents happen, they poison and kill millions of children…

      So your ego starts "grasping for straws"

      The straw is Potassium 40…they All start testing for that for supposed "perspective" for an uninformed public

      We here all know that humans have had the opportunity to adapt to this since time began for our species

      We all know that argument may wash for Cesium, but then uranium, plutonium, strontium all function differently as a trace mineral in our bodies

      So to our ears it is an unequivocal LIE, but even the pres might buy into that hokey correlation

      Scientists have lowered themselves to slightly below lobbyists and politicians

      I know I'm disgusted…this is something Arnie really needs to bring attention to!


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  • Caveat Emptor

    Majia had posted a link to an article on Plutonium Transport

    http://www.majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/interesting-article-about-plutonium.html

    Available here:

    https://str.llnl.gov/OctNov11/kersting.html

    1. Scientists regard plutonium as one of the most complex and perplexing elements in the entire periodic table. For example, its transport in groundwater strongly depends on its oxidation state, and plutonium is one of the few elements that can exist in four unique oxidation states simultaneously. Plutonium has been shown to migrate while associated with small (less than 1 micrometer in diameter) particles, or colloids. It may also migrate while associated with mobile organic matter.

    For many years, scientists had assumed that plutonium, because of its low solubility in water and its strong tendency to sorb (adhere) to soil and rocks, does not migrate.

    Since 1999, additional studies by this team and fieldwork by other scientists have confirmed that colloids play an important role in transporting plutonium at a number of other contaminated sites around the world.

    Past laboratory experiments aimed at understanding how plutonium moves in the subsurface were performed at concentrations higher than those observed in the field. New analytical tools developed at Livermore are providing an opportunity to conduct experiments at the much lower concentrations measured in nature.

    The extremely sensitive instruments allow researchers for the first time to mimic environmental conditions.

    2. Livermore instruments allow researchers to conduct experiments involving extraordinarily low (but environmentally realistic) levels of plutonium in the femtomolar to attomolar range (10–15 to 10–18 moles per liter, with a 10–18 concentration of plutonium being roughly equivalent to dissolving one grain of salt in 100 Olympic-size swimming pools).

    Hmmmm. Such sensitive instruments … not to be used where it might contradict the framed narrative.


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  • Mack Mack

    Is this strange, too?

    Compare Chernobyl radiation in the U.S. to Fukushima radiation in the U.S.

    * Example One:

    CESIUM IN VERMONT MILK:

    Fukushima = 1.9 pCi/l
    Chernobyl = 88 pCi/l

    * Example Two:

    IODINE-131 IN RAINWATER:

    Olympia, Washington – Fukushima = 125 pCi/l
    Spokane, Washington – Chernobyl = 6,620 pCi/l

    So……3 Fukushima meltdowns versus 1-Chernobyl meltdown, plus the radiation-plume was even closer to the U.S. with Fukushima, and yet there was so much less cesium and iodine-131 measured in the U.S. from Fukushima ??

    Please compare for yourselves and add your opinion/thoughts on this:

    Chernobyl Radiation Data in the U.S.:
    http://www.davistownmuseum.org/cbm/Rad7c.html#USA

    Fukushima Radiaiton Data in the U.S.:
    http://www.epa.gov/japan011/docs/rert/radnet-cart-filter-final.pdf

    EPA Searchable data:
    http://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_query

    (Thanks to arclight for the Chernobyl data, and stock for the Fukushima data)


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      Very! It's riddled with them.

      Portland, OR rainwater I-131 – Chernobyl – 481 pCi/l (May 9, 1986)

      Portland, OR rainwater I-131 – Fukushima – 86.8 pCi/l (March 25, 2011)
      Undetectable April 20

      Fukushima 12 days after Japan – Oregon
      Chernobyl 14 days after Ukraine – Oregon


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      • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

        After careful consideration of the data the only conclusion one could come to is that Russia lied to the world about the the release of the Chernobyl meltdown.


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      • Mack Mack

        @ LetThemEatCake — Good find!

        More interesting info:

        1. These nuclides were also found in the U.S. from Chernobyl = 103Ru, 106Ru, 140Ba, 140La, 132I and 95Zr

        2. And from Chernobyl: "Extensive 131I in precipitation in May throughout US in all stations, with 15 reports above 1000 pCi/l."

        15 reports above 1,000 pCi/l !!

        Strange how Fukushima reported rad numbers are so much lower ?

        http://www.davistownmuseum.org/cbm/Rad7c.html#USA


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        • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

          Or could it be the current data being reported about the Fukushima event bogus?


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        • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

          @Mack no yours was thanks! I posted your links on my page today and it actually made someone ask about Fukushima this afternoon *shocked look*…after all of my bazillion posts they hadn't thought about it until now. Hopefully now they'll look more and do something for themselves. Crazy they aren't releasing data and/or are releasing inaccurate data for more nuclides and that 1000 pCi/l is ..wow. If Boise rainwater was 422 pCi/l from an April 1 sample..makes ya wonder what it was later after the monitors were removed due to the "levels going down" the toilet.

          @laterlukemayb.. re: lying Russians.. lmao!!


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    • Sickputer

      Mac typed these pixels of a puzzlin question

      >add your opinion/thoughts on this [why government radiation monitoring data for Fukushima is bogus and the great mass of population cares not a flying sh#t]

      SP: Not much to say…I can't speak for the poor naked apes in Third World countries, but I do know Americans. They haven't progessed much educationally since 1986 other than they communicate better socially among their family and friends. I know because I helped thousands matriculate throught the educational syste…and .01% rose above naked ape status for mental gymnastics. Operating a cellphone and programming a DVR is about as tasking as it gets for the other 99.99%.

      99.99% have no knowledge of radiation or care in the slightest as long as they have their Facebook, iPhones, and Nascar on the weekends. Chernobyl means nothing to them. Fukushima means nothing. It is what it is. They are tuned in, turned on (to FB) and dropped out of anything else.

      On the bright side for the more intellectual naked apes…it sure makes for a steady and available supply of N95 masks, apple pectin, and two-year old aged cheddar cheese at the stores.

      No shortages and for my privileged Internet information I didn't even have to blackmail the nuclear regulators like Kodak did in the early 1950s.

      BTW…check out the Enenews.com website for my original Kodak moment posting last summer…

      Scroll down about 25 posts on this post to hear Sicputer's telling of the KOdak moment story that every advanced naked ape should pass on to their children:

      http://enenews.com/iaea-is-mandated-to-accelerate-and-enlarge-the-contribution-of-atomic-energy-like-expecting-a-tobacco-company-to-prevent-lung-cancer

      Now the Kodak moment author has a book in progress and a new Fukushima section:

      http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/toc.php


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      • Mack Mack

        @SP – Thanks for bringing the Kodak story to light. Nuclear crimes is a wealth of info. Hope you're feeling better, too.


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        Indeed Sickp.. I spent the weekend with one of my oldest friends who is all about organic food.. crazy about it.. and going on and on about Tyson chicken and Walmart, as she fed her 6 year old milk, yogurt, ice cream and cheese…

        Keep in mind, I have been talking to her for about a year now.. she did not even investigate radiation.

        We got in a big argument! I finally told her I would rather drink milk from a non organic source if the other cows were fed three year old feed from the back of the barn.. she can not fathom..

        I said, the organic cow is eating the grass.. the grass is covered in radiation, now cow bio accumulates for you. It was truly the most unbelievable conversation. I begged her to at least limit her childs intake to one serving a day.. until the releases stop and the milk is hopefully better..I explained our bodies can repair some damage, but there will be a tipping point, she said she would investigate it!!!???

        I also mentioned that I am trying to only buy produce from the southern hemisphere, to which she replied they are dirty and germy places, and she had been there.. I again argued, and said I would rather have dirty germs and less radiation in my produce..

        She works for big organic food outfit.. and her bosses are big brained, according to her.. and oh I guess we(company) are buying more produce from the Southern hemisphere.. (I think bosses are keeping quiet)

        Really unbelievable.. at one point she told me it was just too much to deal with, and then went on about Tyson and Walmart again..

        Geez.. then she said, it is nothing new, we have been living with this same stuff for ever.. no I said, this is not anything like we have ever dealt with..

        Just wierd, so food conscious and yet, so willing to not accept the truth, not even look into it???? I don't think we will be talking for a long time…

        She has a couple of masters degrees..I have Community College AA.. guess you can't buy smarts..

        Saving for 3…


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        Oh and ot while scrolling through the comments I saw ocifferdave… any word on him? Did he get relocated? anybody know?

        I hope he is safe and one of the few that have successfully moved to less contaminated areas.


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    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      Hasn't anybody noticed that none of the measurements are for points farther south. It would make sense that the readings would be higher for the Chernobyl event than the Fukushima event at those locations because the way the atmosphere travels. Got any readings for the Pacific South West? I'd sure like to see those readings. You are never going to either because then the data would get out and then there would be a mass exodus from the one of the largest economy's on the planet….Califonia!


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    • arclight arclight

      +100 mack!! good sleuthing!! raises some interesting questions?


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    • Dogleg Dogleg

      Mack, Boise had the highest percipation readings in the country. those readings were taken on April 4. The plume that hit Boise arrived on the 19th of march, over 2 weeks before their test date. What they measured (relased) was a meer fraction of the actual levels that are poising my children. FUCK!!!


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      • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

        Dogleg… anyone you know in Boise doing anything at all!? All I get is "interesting" and then they go sledding or post how much snow they want.


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        • Dogleg Dogleg

          Exactly Cake! I have left Boise, am in North Dakota. Getting set up for family to join me. I dont really know what the levels are here, but I'm sure it must be better than Boise. I am almost certain we took a direct hit from the #3 SPF MOX. Nobody seems to care……yet.


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          • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

            That is fab Dogleg!:) I remember you saying awhile back you intended to leave. Best wishes for going smoothly and swiftly! I actually learned just today the only 2 people I know there (in person) who care, decided it's for them and can now make it out too yay!:)

            I hope it's lower in ND too – I would think so considering after the Cascades they take the next high hit..plus the valley/wind pattern effects that seem to concentrate crap there. The monitor removal after such high iodine readings is enough to know really that Boise was doused.. It's difficult watching the repetitive posts of pneumonia, broken bones without impact, hospitalizations with heart attack symptoms, cases of death from recurring cancers etc. – I've seen multiples of these all. They openly wonder why while ignoring reports on Fukushima – from their own government. I just don't know. Too much xenon? When/if they do care and circumstances are such it can't be remedied by leave I guess I hope there is enough xenon for them..really sad. I am thrilled for you guys though. It's a good news day!:)


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          • StillJill StillJill

            You're our 'trailblazer' dogleg!

            Happy and safe inroads, my friend! :-)


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            • Dogleg Dogleg

              Thank you guys very much. Your encouragement means more than you can know. I have sacrificed much and fought strong resistance through it all. The fight is far from over, but I am winning and I believe the worst is over. Sometimes I felt like giving up, then I would look at the little boy in the pic (Brock 7) and realize this could be the fight for his very life. I will not stop until my children are out of Boise! You are right about the removal of the monitors cake IMO. Why else would you remove them all. Makes me so mad! Also the jet stream took an unusual strong sothern dip just before the contents of #3SPF hit the west coast. Sometimes I wonder if they used HAARP to affect the jet stream directing the plume away from the more populated NW coast and right into my backyard with no warning at all.


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              • StillJill StillJill

                Yes Dogleg,…just like those tornado(s) in Joplin, etc,… just after the meltdowns. That was a storm that never moved! Days it 'trained' on the midwest,…then the tornadoes. I always thought it was somehow intentional.


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                • Dogleg Dogleg

                  Hi Jill. How are you feeling now days? You seem to be in good spirits! You want to hear the icing on the cake of it all for me? I grew up in a tiny Kansas town called Reading. That was my escape plan "A". That is until it was destroyed by a nuclear tornado the day before Joplin got hit (same storm system). Then a month later there was the level 4 (which probably means 5 at least) at Fort Calhoon. What are the odds?


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @dogleg

        Yes, such tests always depend upon who did the measuring and when they did it.


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    • Mack, the Good Old Cold War was still going when Chernobyl melted down and blew up. We had TMI – "Look how SAFE our meltdowns are!" – and the entire U.S. press/propaganda network to tell us all why It Can't Happen Here.

      The same press/propaganda network has been at work since 3-11-11 to fictionalize the absolute non-danger of Fukushima. Because those were OUR reactors and Japan built them during the Good Old Cold War because WE talked' em into it (and covered most of the cost).

      It is physically impossible for Fukushima to have released more crap than Chernobyl. But people want to be coddled, so they believe the lies. It was worse than Chernobyl when unit 1 blew, got steadily much worse from there (love that MOX!). Everyone who knows anything about nukes knew that the moment we heard that it blew, didn't even need to see the video.


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      • Er… impossible for Fukushima NOT to have released more crap than Chernobyl. Sigh. My kingdom for a "preview" or "edit" function!


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        • Mack Mack

          @JoyB – I'm glad you weighed in on this because I respect your opinion.


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        • Kevin Kevin

          "Everyone knew it was worse than Chernobyl."

          I have never set foot in a Nuclear plant, and that was my first suspicion. I did go to grade two, there they taught me that 4 is greater than 1.

          Hwoever the rocket Scientists over at Scientific America (not to mention every mainstream media outlet since) had this to say at the time

          Fast Facts about Radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactors
          Elevated radiation levels have been detected at and around the stricken nuclear power station in Japan, but the Chernobyl accident remains far more catastrophic

          By John Matson | March 16, 2011 |

          http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=japan-nuclear-fallout

          A few months afterwards when the reality of the grade two math began to overtake the propoganda campaign the message took a subtle switch and virtually all references went like this.

          Fukushima, the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl

          I mention all this because it is subtle messaging that works to keep people far from the facts. Instantly at the time of the explosion they plant the false coverup that Chernobyly was the worst disaster and Fukushima is not comparable. Then later they refer to it as the worst accident since Chernobyl.

          Its a bit of a bait and switch, but not in the traditional sense. But the later message is reinforced by the original lie and people continue to believe that Chernobyl is worse. And the line that it is the worst accident since Chernobyl is not a bold face lie like the comparison to Chernobyl was.

          Very subtle, very effective and was virtually used everywhere.

          Even the scale of the event was not raised from 4 to a 7 until much later which they described as on par or comparable to Chernobyl, versus simply stating that there is no worse classification.

          But I am rambling. Just another detailed look at what lengths they go to cover it up. If they play these subtle communications game to fool lay people you can imagine what they are really doing.


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  • Sickputer

    Sorry for my typos…not feeling too well today…after yesterday's calm skies we have massive winds blowing from the direction of Japan and I am feeling the effects…so far away and yet so near.

    Keep the course.

    SP


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      Hope you feel better soon – and thank you again (I often save what you post for my notes.:) I remember reading that one last summer.. at least narcissism will be considered "normal" for the apes soon and life will be even more blissful for them. Pitiful.


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  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Remember the post about the possibility of flights being canceled to Japan due to radiation? Watch this shocking video……

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/media/content/car-crash-occurs-behind-wfla-reporter-adrienne-peterson-during-live-report

    Now that you've watched it gazillion times listen carefully to what the reporter is actually saying.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Went there. Been there. Did that. Didn't see that. All I saw was a news clip about high gas prices. What's up with that? Is this a pro-nukes promo? ???Support nukes or get high gas prices?


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  • Alice Alice

    Are there no agencies that can do testing without a clear conflict of interests?

    8 months is an awfully long time to wait for results. If this was a medical case, the patient would be deader than a dodo.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      I agree Alice.

      It gets more and more outrageous all the time.

      30 kms away from the plant we took samples and you know what? The results are saying that after pouring a Gigazillion bequerels into the ocean the readings are less than normal background! There is less in there, then before the accident! Amazing!

      Sorry we have not get the results on meaningless things like plutonium and strontium, but hey what about that iodine, oh yeah it would be decayed by now, but hey we found none.

      Then will hear, we finally have the results in, its only been a year so we are very proud of our team! As it turns out there is no immediate health effects and to our amazement it turns out that ocean temperatures are dropping, sea levels too and the final results prove that pouring endless contanimated water into the ocean has begun to solve global warming!

      Fact is the only background levels that are rising are the levels of bullshit they are immersing us in.


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    • arclight arclight

      to verify a test for plutonium you need two labs to verify.. there are two different tests.. busby had a test done but only one lab complied and the other threw the test sample away!

      then when he sent a soil sample to his uk lab for testing he was informed that they would report him for sending hazardous substances in the post… the sample was from outside the window of a young child and the japanese government said it was ok!!

      the lab game is rigged.. remember how busby was attacked for trying to set up an independent lab (like CRIIRAD) ? full blown guardian "expose" lots of media attention.. classic psy-ops! nearly worked too! for some it did anyway..

      the only game in town are the french teams but they can only test so much! and if my experience is anything to go by, those boys and girls have been under very overt surveillance..

      ot but ….

      my email has started working again all on its own.. after the sarkosy and cameron nuke funder.. seems like they dont care about the poluution that is currently covering old london town.. and most of western europe.. these are strong pulses (up to 0.29 microsieverts/hr) and i reckon they are coming straight from la hague… loverly… and the beat goes on!! :(


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  • James2

    ALERT: #4 SFP IS BURNING DOWN NOW!!!!

    You can see the flames top the other end of the #4 building in this tepcocam clip – I see flames probably 30 feet above the top of the building – that's 60 meters or so high flames. That's big.

    You can see the smoke – not clearly – but for those who've studied the videos there's a whole lot of smoke coming out of #4 and blowing directly to the east – off to the left – you can see the cloud rising a billowing behind #2 building.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hxLKUaTqrU&list=UUDu1KkkwuzybKx6MXQgGHuw&index=1&feature=plcp

    I don't know how many days it's been going, but sickputer said the JNN cam was down – this is why.

    THIS IS THE BIG ONE FOLKS.

    According to Arnie, this is the Honshu extinction event. This is also the US and Canada west coast evacuation event.

    Good Luck everybody.

    We all knew it was coming – time to act – now.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Holy shit James2 is that live?


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  • dear jones

    Just those worker doing BBQ


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  • openeye openeye

    Hi, all

    Great info in these posts, thank you.

    Let's ask: how much of the planet is already contaminated just from DU, never mind all the other nuclear sources: DU shells are now being used in small arms in military posts all over the U.S. Hawaii is highly contaminated from military DU. These aren't even the war zones where it's been used en mass, starting with Iraq.

    Imagine, a species that makes its own habitat uninhabitable.

    I read an alternative news political writer say that until humans admit we are helpless to stop all this, a Higher Power will not step in. But how to get psychopaths to admit they are helpless????
    I truly believe they have secret antidotes for their own use–antidotes for all the killers they are unleashing on the rest of us. Including GMO canola and soy, BTW, along with corn, beets, now alfalfa–and on and on.)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Hi Openeye! :-)

    Yes,…it would be ALL that was needed–asking a Higher Power to help us. But,…just because 'we' can't get everyone to admit they need help,…that Higher Power has been known to help smaller groups! :-)

    We need help! :-)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I think… reactor 4(whatever was inside) and the SFP been burning a long time…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HOM0M4IhCY&feature=fvst


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    May 3 2011…see 2,3 and 4 go off…1.. too probably..though difficult to see.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qID45rFJ0


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