Strange Events in Gov’t WIPP Report: Emergency personnel needed for ‘reddish-brown vapors’ observed after ‘unplanned, excessive exothermic reaction’ — ‘Filters had an orange tint’ when changed hours after radiation release began

Published: April 25th, 2014 at 11:56 am ET


Radiological Release Event at WIPP, Department of Energy, Apr. 2014 (emphasis added):

  • At 0014, on Saturday, February 15, the [Central Monitoring Room Operator] attempted to notify the on-call Radiological Control Technician (RCT) but was unable to reach him. The effluent sample Station A, Skid A- 2 and Station D shutdown due to low air flow or clogged filter paper. […] Station A skid A-2 filters upstream of the HEPA filters in the Exhaust Filter Building, were changed out at 0637 by the [Radiological Control Manager]. It was noted during the change out that the filters had an orange tint. […]
  • On March 6, two ventilation system dampers that were known to have design leakage, and allowed a portion of the radioactive material to bypass the HEPA filters were sealed with a highdensity foaming material. […]
  • 03/08/2014 — Unplanned, excessive exothermic reaction** occurred during foaming. Foaming was secured. Emergency response personnel called to the scene. […]
  • The Board had other concerns with the quality of […] responses related to a potential exothermic reaction due to a foaming process upset that could result in a fire and subsequent failure of contaminated HEPA filters in the U/G ventilation system due to the fire soot combined with the observed particulate loading on the Mod filters, and this event was not considered in response to Question 5 regarding creating the possibility of an accident of a different type than previously analyzed. Although the safety basis includes a fire involving the Waste Handling Building contaminated HEPA filters […] these hazard scenarios were not addressed as bounding or representative for a fire release from the U/G HEPA filters. An unplanned exothermic accident that could have led to a fire occurred on March 8, 2014, when “reddish-brown” vapors were observed coming from the open ports in the duct […]

** Exothermic Reaction: “Chemical reaction that releases energy in the form of light or heat”

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Published: April 25th, 2014 at 11:56 am ET


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128 comments to Strange Events in Gov’t WIPP Report: Emergency personnel needed for ‘reddish-brown vapors’ observed after ‘unplanned, excessive exothermic reaction’ — ‘Filters had an orange tint’ when changed hours after radiation release began

  • Gads–the euphemisms! Design leakage and unplanned exothermic reaction. Does that mean oops and burning filters coated with plutonium and other toxic waste?

  • ftlt

    The nuclear industry is such a joke – a sad joke

  • Joe Ebslap Joe Ebslap

    At least they didn't say "duct tape."

  • lam335 lam335

    "An exothermic reaction is a chemical reaction that releases energy in the form of light or heat. It is the opposite of an endothermic reaction.[1] …

    … An exothermic reaction is a chemical or physical reaction that releases heat. It gives out energy to its surroundings. The energy needed for the reaction to occur is less than the total energy released.[2]"

    Could this be related to the fact that plutonium is pyrophoric?

    "A pyrophoric substance (from Greek πυροφόρος, pyrophoros, "fire-bearing") is a substance that ignites spontaneously in air at or below 54.55 °C (130.19 °F).[1] Examples are iron sulfide and many reactive metals including uranium, when powdered or thinly sliced. Pyrophoric materials are often water-reactive as well and will ignite when they contact water or humid air. They can be handled safely in atmospheres of argon or (with a few exceptions) nitrogen."

    See pictures and caption:

    "Plutonium pyrophoricity (spontaneously burning in contact with air, causes it to glow like an ember)."

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      IAM335, also wondered about Plutonium & the exothermic reaction. Also — the coloration of the smoke makes one wonder if it's smoldering PU.

    • Go Flying

      Iam335, that's not very likely.

      Typically foams are made in situ by combining two components. They heat up significantly as part of he foam making process.

      Caution is always advised to make sure there is sufficient pathway for the heat to dissipate as the chemicals combine.

      Sounds like they used too much foam in a confined space, or maybe they had no chiice but to use so much foam.

      Either way it's pretty poor.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Pg. 234..of document.


    Facility operations assumed the alarm was due to a CAM malfunction.
    Delay in response potential exposure to 153 personnel.

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    No worries, that orange tint and reddish brown gaseous release….just a whoopsy poopsy so breath deep and don't forget to rub your eyes and pick your nose.

  • mairs mairs

    How could they have put a filter on an underground air vent to the surface and not seal it properly in the first place? Any handy homeowner would know to do THAT much.

  • Heil…. this is all illegal factiums and truthium, and vill be reported to the authorities.. ve vill find out how this illegal factium and truthium got out and punish those responsible…

    Ve vill allow no more leaking truthium or factiums.. !!



  • HEPA Filter System Failed At WIPP Facility; What Is The REAL Story About Radiation Release? via @AGreenRoad

  • WIPP Did NOT Protect Workers or Inform Public About Plutonium Dangers Immediately After Radiation Disaster; via @AGreenRoad

  • Interesting document.

    "The cumulative effect of inadequacies in ventilation system design and operability compounded by degradation of key safety management programs and safety culture resulted in the release of radioactive material from the underground to the environment, and the delayed/ineffective recognition and response to the release."
    – page 20 in the document reader.

    • from page 52…

      "During the afternoon of February 16, a nearby rancher contacted the JIC expressing dissatisfaction with the communication and handling of the event. He stated that he was not notified by WIPP and heard of it through one of his employees. The AEOC followed up with the rancher, apologizing for the lack of notification and then provided information on the event, status, and ongoing surveys and sampling. They then notified other nearby ranches."

      I said it before and I'll say it again.

      Why not test livestock FIRST?
      They are the obvious sentinels.

      Why waste time?
      Maybe they don't want to know?

      At least they apologized. That was nice. 😉

      • Cisco Cisco

        ChasAha, you know the answer…no data, no evidence, no problem.
        The wordsmiths and copy writers are having a ball with this one, confusing folks, like literary…Three Card Monte.

        Smoke and mirrors with just the right amount of admission, contrition and feigned empathy. SSDD!

      • jec jec

        Quick, sell off the herd to feed lots…before someone TESTS them!!! (sarcasm). No farmer or rancher would knowingly do this, but bet WIPP personnel will suggest it(saves money).

      • mt1000

        cattle mutilations were downwind from nuke plants … they were testing cattle and scaring the public by the way they did it (to mimic UFO) ….—cattle-mutilations—ufos.php#!

        • How could a permissible level be set? 😉

          The sampling program of Project Sunshine was done under strict secrecy. (early 50's)

          "One interesting point to be made here is that the Atomic Energy Commission would set what was called a Maximum Permissible Concentration (MPC) when it came to how much exposure the public and the military could be exposed to when it came to radioactive fallout from the nuclear weapons tests. How could a permissible level be set when the threshold …is possibly zero? This was done for convenience so the nuclear testing could go on and be proclaimed safe to the public, the military and the ANIMALS."

          "Cattle and sheep and any other grazing ANIMALS that eat the grass and other herbage, …radioactive fallout would assimilate the fallout directly at fairly high levels. After time passes the plants would assimilate the [radioactive contamination] from the soil only as the fallout on the leaves would be blown or washed off by the weather conditions."
          – from mt1000's link

  • Nick

    Safety culture only works when everyone is on the same page.

    It's very common for folks to shrug off protocols everywhere.

    WIPP is just the tip of the iceberg, the entire DOE operations are suspect everywhere. So are the DODs shenanigans globally.

    Look at those nuclear weapons folks who were terminated recently for improper conduct.

    It is way past time for us citizens to have a real means to oversee all weapons operations.

    The secrecy = it's none of your business.

    Problem is, WIPP has actually endangered possibly 1,000s of folks downwind.

    No amount of shilling and spinning can alter that horrible reality.

    This is the real deal folks, nuclear mishaps are forever.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Love the demonstation of how the filters in the storage cells underground are supposed to work. Fran Williams showed how green food coloring inside a test tube of water represented radioactive contamination. She dumped the green colored water into a larger beaker full of water. The green food coloring "magically" disappeared. She explained how that "little bit of radiation" got diluted in the outside air, & could no longer be found.

    Shazzam! It just disappeared & we can't find it anymore! No worries! If you can't find it, it just ain't there. From March 27, 2014, see below. Fran Williams speaking. She is a master of propoganda & downplaying risks of radiation exposure. She comes in at about 53:30.

    Discusses bioassays for exposures & mentions a doctor interpreting results to fall within a range.

    It only takes one PU 239 particle to cause death. Fran of course follows the "health physics" model of exposure, designed to minimize the seriousness of exposure to internal dose exposures.

    From March 20, 2014, beg. at about 17:30 (to about 31:00). No mention of what releases may have occurred if the filtration system was shut down or bypassed during the radiological event(s). Note also the discussion of stirring up "legacy" radiation already present. What's that????

    And some more lies, with the usual comparisons to chest X-rays, airplane flights & exposure to UV.

  • yellowrain

    Their monitors are screaming after the accident on 2/15 and they just got around to sealing it up on 3/8. Thats not a filtration system that is a bypass system. I feel for anyone downwind or the poor souls working there. WTF is going on? Is there not one single person in our congress,dep,dod,executive branch that will step up. Some one set me straight if I missed a savior in that group.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Yes, good point yellowrain. The system was bypassed and that's why there were large and largely unmonitored releases.

      Would have to go back into the technical details to explain why the filtration system got bypassed, but Stock would have a good explanation for that.

  • Nick

    There is a strong possibility that the mine was vented to "hide" the radiation release.

    They did have to suck the soot out from the earlier truck fire as well.

    I suggest folks downwind rethink reality, stop inhaling, and flee.

    There is NO GUARANTEE that WIPP can be declared safe, ever.

    What happens when the next event happens and the salt/brine solution mixes with groundwater.

    Do you REALLY trust the suits to tell the truth?

    Nuclear waste storage is an oxymoron, it cannot, and never has been done. Especially for eons.

    What a joke the nuclear safe waste disposal story is.

    Best to just truck the shit over to Japan. Or just dump it into the Pacific.

    Who would ever know?

    The great pea in shell game continues.

  • yellowrain

    And another thing how come nobody told us how many bananas escaped between 2/15 and 3/8?

  • Tim42

    Hmm, redish brown color. Sounds like SrNO (Strontium nitrate used in fireworks shells producing red color)..

    It along with Sodium permanganate is used to precipitate radioactive Sr(strontium-90), Am(Americium 241,242m1,243) from liquid waste during the reprocessing of reactor fuel rods. The folks at Hanford invented this process. Yet another nuclear gift(nightmare) that keeps on giving.

    Problem is once you mix this stuff up, it becomes just as contaminated as the stuff your trying to remove. No way to separate radioactive from non-radioactive after precipitation process is completed. Only thing left to do is remove the moisture and ship it all off to be stored.

    BUT, now you've got built in oxidizer combined with nasty nuclear isotopes. (Just waiting for a ignition source).

    see: reference paper..

    What a mess, should be a nasty combination of airsol'd alpha and beta emitters once it goes up in smoke.

  • ON Decomissioning….decisions are being made on the 5 reactors being shut down. The owner do not want to dry cask, and they want to let everything sit for 60 years, no joke. By then they will be backrupt.

    leave a comment for NRC on their blog, i did
    Thanks for the response, I think its a great idea to start dry casking everything in the country over 5 years old, think of the economic shot in the arm that would entail. Plus the workers from these 5 plants that are closing are mostly training in radiation hazards and they can transition to dry cask and then plant decomm. Makes way more sense than the expensive training for new people, and keep people off unemployment. And keeps them working in a field they probably like.

    I am not talking about SAFSTOR for several years….I am talking that letting them sit around in an area perfect for hookup of solar PV farms for 60 years is just wrong. None of these same companies who own nuke will exist in 60 years, so the parent company guarantee means naught. They will spin off profitiable divisions into the new energy paradigm like solar, and then the parent company left holding the nuke assets will simply go bankrupt. It is obvious it can only happen this way.

    And thanks for the nice blog, if the NRC wants to interact with real people, this is a good route. The moderation seems appropriate in type and extent. A frank discussion and debate with those who may have opposing views-

      • Radio Radio

        Thx, Stock, for the post, and i agree that dry casking is way better than using the reactors as storage facilities. We get maybe 50 years from dry casking, then they can be put into a bigger dry cask if need be, maybe even vitrified for 1000 years if we're lucky. It is better than just aging in place, though woefully not a long term solution. I also agree with your thoughts on bankruptcy as the way for corporations to get out from under the decommissioning costs. That's how the out-of-state nuclear utility companies did things here when they were pressured for many reasons – from protests to the market falling out (pun intended)- to shut down in the Pacific NW. And, i'm not sure if any nuclear radiation maker is required to cover any of the costs of long term storage save but a small upfront storage fee. I think the bulk of the cost for any longer term storage beyond dry casking is a government freebie. Do you or anyone here know?

      • PurpleRain PurpleRain

        Thanks for this link Stock. I had to add my own one-cent…. (not as knowledgeable as other two-cent comments). I wish there was some "meet-up" group even for some of us who want to help tip the way all of this energy conversation leans. (warm smile). Thank you to everyone on this site who helps keep me informed and educated. I love all of the conversation here.

    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      Those five year dry cask storage units would be an excellent START towards cleaning up all of this highly-toxic-deadly stuff, but they don't want to pay for them…. even at some of the nuke plants now they are dragging their feet with complying at all, but it would be a huge-huge step in the right direction anyway.

  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    ‘unplanned, excessive exothermic reaction’

    Does this mean they have
    ‘planned, excessive exothermic reactions’ ?

    • Ontological Ontological

      WIPP = Wind Injected Plutonium Puffer. So 'planned' exothermic outbursts would be in the works if planned as a weapon. To 'plan' this insanity as a "safe" storage area the way they have would only be logical if it was based on the farce lie science propaganda trash they teach and subscribe to like a cult following.
      A regular breathing dragon of death breath for the human race.

  • Sol Man

    Don't think that any that comment here will ever be making it to any of those town hall meetings. The hall is just too close to the action; no, reaction(s.)

    • No you can actually go to the town halls by using livestream, I have submitted around 8 questions that were read by a mod at the town hall, and responded to by the panel.

      Try it, very easy, look up red rocket on livestream, take you 10 minutes, get active.


  • Relative Risks of Radiation, methinks a good summary

    Moving kids back into areas of 20 mSv/year in Japan in insane at any level, but more insane when you consider that the radiation is assumed to stay all external. The Rad Crap in and on the soil, and to be washed out of the air will all eventually go into food or water consumed by a human. It will almost all become internal

    So for our most likely suspects, Cesium, Strontium, Uranium, Plutonium, all long lived, all extremely damaging as internal with different weighting factors.

    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      They are insane! All those people will suffer right along with all the many people in downtown Tokyo too who are breathing it, eating it and walking in the *hot* rain.

  • NRC responding to a question on the NRC blog

    This helps to answer my questions on total inventory of radiation at Fukushima. That will present a worst case scenario of release.

    I was asked to respond to your question.
    The NRC does not track the isotopic inventory in each spent fuel assembly at nuclear power plants. The following is a link to a public document titled “Characteristics of Potential Repository Wastes”: It contains physical, isotopic, and thermal characteristics of all type of commercial spent nuclear fuel assemblies. For example, in the middle of Table 2.4.13 on Page 2.4.17, the most dominant (i.e., >1%) isotopes, in terms of curies/Metric Tons of Initial Heavy Metal (MTIHM), for a typical Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) spent fuel assembly enriched up to 4.42%, burned up to 40,000 MWD/MTIHM, and cooled for 10 years are shown. These numbers are still valid to date. The number for each isotope should be multiplied by 0.45 MTIHM/assembly, which is a typical number for a PWR assembly, in order to obtain the isotopic inventory in a single PWR fuel assembly.
    Maureen Conley

    • Maureen I did a review, and thank you so much, this is a great resource, and they do a simple list of the primay fission products 1 year after burn, and for various enrichments and degree of burn. Perfect for what I need to do.

      Sorry to ask another favor, but can you find a similar resource that would depict fission products and neutron production from various MOX mixes? Thanks!

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky, etc, etc.

    • I am happy to be at 43 north, but got a crapload of reactors to shut down up here, mostly not prevailing wind from me, BUT the wind does change

    • 52Rockwell


      Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky, etc, etc.
      Colorado got a big puff during the first phase. They already have high background.

  • I havent been posted much at Nuke Pro, my main computer is still prevented from editing my blog, it is some evil Google thing. So i have to switch to another computer which for some reason I can get in to edit.

    Anyways…..the above fission inventory data is becoming an article at Nuke Pro, look for it today, and for ease of future reference.

    stock out, happy weekend.

    • No worries, same for AGRP. Youtube deleted all 1300 videos TWICE now.

      Plus no video editor available, preventing uploading of any more videos for months now.

      Can anyone suggest another video platform that has better stability, and customer service for anti nuclear videos?

      • razzz razzz

        Fat chance finding a site that welcomes anti-nuclear vids that you pieced together yourself from commercial sources because copyright laws will come down on you like a tons of rocks esp. spliced from Japanese media.

      • Radio Radio

        Dr. G, Youtube seems to have no issue with content that i have encountered unless the owner of the video has asked for any copies of their stuff to be removed, which it then is from every viewer account at once. So, if you are doing what Razzz is posting about and your vids contain copyrighted material, then it will all be washed away when the owner chooses whatever the subject matter. With the new net neutrality changes pending at the FCC, this will be the norm with large fines and penalties.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Dr. G, would Vimeo be an appropriate venue for posting videos?

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            I hate Google, BTW. I don't "google" anything. I do browser searches. Why let those evil Google gogglers have a verb named after their evil google goggling privacy invading selves?

    • razzz razzz

      Probably need some Microsoft (limelight or visual C++) or Adobe flash or Java updates for editing or maybe you have some blocking filters going on. You should be getting error messages to guide you to the problem. If you are on a shit list, they usually let you know about it, if not, inquire.

      One of the many lurkers here should know all about it.

      • "Soon" I will buy and install new 4 head viedo card (to match existing "old" 6 year old system" and hope that things are fixed and I can switch to new computer entirely.

        I was a mainframe hacker in 1975 before the word hacker was built, now my time is demanded in many directions, and although I love programming and wish to become good in at least HTML, it may not hit the top ten even this year.

    • Radio Radio

      Just a thought, Stock, in case this can help, but, as a website newbie, a recent upgrade created a software conflict with the video editor, themes and my ftp, just to name a few issues. I would not have known about the source of the problem but it happened during a release of the new WP version and effected enough people to earn some blog posts. I had to back up everything, return to a default theme, clear the browser caches, something else i can't even remember right now, then reinstall the theme i was using when i upgraded, oh, and completely remove any images i had managed to upload after the upgrade but before the issues began. This all allowed me to get the ftp going again. It all had to do with a java script glitch with the visual editor, neither of which i had a clue about. It all works fine now. My take away was that the smallest upgrade or update from any platform or software can suddenly stop your entire ability to upload, download, stream or even find existing files and i could easily not know the cause. Upgrades are only dealing with their end of things, like a general platform, and not all the software from everyone else built to be used with that platform and so when they change the platform, the software can stop functioning. I have come to fear upgrades and updates.

      • I know, I need to be more diligent in doing Acronis Truimage images before any change, but even those take some time (15 minutes) but still, on my last main workstation that saved my a dozen times.

        Still so many updates and upgrades fly at us….hard to Image before every one, esp during the work day.

      • razzz razzz

        It is important to have only the operating system and your main programs loaded on one hard drive and everything else is sent (saved) to a mass storage hard drive. The operating system might die or programs be infected but pics, videos, research, word docs, links, music can avoid being taken out when there is a glitch. When everything is working well, backup the main drive to the monster drive so you have a copy when life was good. You will be more apt to run deep virus scans on a small and fast hard drive too.

        A good set up is a SSD (no moving parts like a huge fast, fast flash drive) as the main drive. (90gigs to 120gigs) would be fine for loading the operating system (Windows, Mac, etc.) along with favorite programs. The storage drive should be one of those monster mechanical hard drives of 1 terabyte or 2 terabytes (1tb = 1,000gigs). You load the same operating system on the monster drive but don't use it as such.

        Will not solve all your problem but might help to recover to a working starting point.

        Most updates aren't released until they are mature and if your program software is not keeping up with the operating system's latest update interactions, then maybe you need to go back to loading Windows XP as that is as mature as you can get for a operating system that most software programs will still harmonize with. Microsoft is about to end supporting XP, oh well.

    • Radio Radio

      stock, thx for working with the NRC b/c people are people everywhere and the more bridges built, the more headway we make, Also, i sooo appreciate you for creating your site for nuclear professionals who want to be able to question and think. It is a necessary service. I am not one, but, i'm hoping to encourage my former nuclear engineer neighbor to your site, but, he tends to not want to look into anything that doesn't have an immediate solution that he thinks he can work on. The scientific compartmentalization thing. Staying within those compartments, he is a kind man who hikes in the woods, loves his cat, bake cookies for everyone, and is a bright electrical engineer as a career he has just retired from helping build drones. I'd like to see his mind on solutions to nuclear leaks if he can bring himself to accept their real reality and not their mentioned from time to time in the background reality. So, we build bridges.

  • Zerohedge has a good Fuku article up, spread the word.

    Not just japan, 50 to 100 tons of uranium and plutonium were aerosolized in the air, and here is the proof using US EPA data.

    Sorry to tell you, but you been dosed. 300 micrograms of Plutonium in your lungs is enough to pretty much for sure kill you. I don't think we all got that high but many did. All Big gov had to stay was stay out of the rain, and shelter in place with HEPA filter.

    Instead Obama took his family to Brazil, and went on TV stating "nothing will be coming the the US"

    • That is exactly what AGRP was pointing at but without the specific numbers..

      Thanks for getting it down to brass, errrr, plutonium hot particles.

      BTW, are anyone's lungs are hurting consistently now?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Hi Doc, no, lungs don't hurt all the time, but lots of sinus problems and asthma which was pretty much gone pre-3/11 is now with me most of the time. Mild asthma but still there. There's a spot in my right lung which felt "wunky" when the plumes were going through in April, 2011. That particular spot hurts when the CPM counts get high, or after a Fuku event. The last one was around 3/18 or so, when the SFP #4 was supposed to have had a fire. Right lung hurt for a couple of weeks, in that same spot where a hot particle may have lodged back in 2011. Always the same spot.

        What DOES happen a lot now when it rains is the sinus and chest congestion. And got another radiation burn on my leg about three weeks ago. Got some rain on my pant leg and my skin started to itch. By the time I got home and washed my skin off with baking soda, whatever had gotten on my leg burned a hole in my skin. The sore was literally a hole burnt into my skin. It took about three weeks for the ulceration there to heal. Now there is a scar.

        Also have purpura on my hands whenever it rains, now, or the jet stream is overhead. Immune counts have been checked, and other than IGG Subclass III (low), all immune markers are normal.

        Fatigue, too, when the jet stream is overhead or it's raining. Hoping Admin will post a Forum area where we can all keep track of our symptoms.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Can't complain overall, though, health is pretty good these days. The skin burn thing from the rain bothers me a lot, though.

          Have had burns on my skin three different times, now, when rainwater has gotten on my skin.

          What is causing the horrendous itching and skin burns, scarring?

        • Seraphine Seraphine

          I second the idea of a forum section for signs & symptoms tracking. I know I've complained about mine (sorry) but I'd really like to compare what different – or similar – experiences we're having, from type to severity. It would also help to put things in a geographic context.

    • +1

      A second fall – "…from a few minutes to a few years later."

      Testimony of Jack Parker, Geologist March 5th, 1999 regarding WIPP.

      "Roof bolts can fail without being detected by visual examination when they hang up in the drill hole. There could be more roof bolt failures at WIPP than are detected by visual observation alone."

      "If waste were emplaced in a room, rock bolts could not be replaced above the waste. A chain reaction and collapse of the roof could take place."

      "A second fall into the void space of the first roof-fall can occur anywhere from a few minutes to a few years later."

      • What they should be advising the public RIGHT NOW!, is to expect a second collapse.

        That's why they are now trying to figure out HOW TO properly FILTER what's to come. (if they can?) Obviously, they hadn't really thought it through before. 😉

  • razzz razzz

    I am still trying to understand the leap from accepting and storing radioactive contaminated suits and gloves then going on to accepting liquids radioactive waste at WIPP.

    It might have been a bright idea to allow salts to collapse on barrels containing suits and gloves but who allowed sticking liquid waste inside bore holes down in the mine?

    Remember some Congressional committee already had a hearing on recent events at WIPP and the result was 'Carry on' for the good of the nuclear industry. That why officials are arrogant in their delivery. Watch as less and less questions are answered or ignored. Soon they will have nothing to say about past and ongoing events. Probably once lawsuits are filed. Waivers don't usually cover (gross) negligence or maleficence esp. if individuals are named in a suit. But there is no money in suing individuals and LLC evaporate and blow away when sued so that leaves insurance companies to foot the bill and with DOE running the show, that means taxpayer's fund the costs to squash citizen complaints and pay up if there is any settlements.

    Japan hasn't learned the fine art of settlements with non-disclosure agreements, a more 'civilized' approached to shutting people up as opposed to enacting a hardline blanket Secrecy Act.

    • Per Conca 7 curies per liter, in other words

      One liter=1 quart has enough radiation to contaminate 1 Billion chickens to the point you cant eat them.

      they have 20,000 barrels of this crap down their already….high level stuff,

      and 480,000 barrels of lower level stuff.

    • Corruption, lies, desperation —-the answer to your question.

  • Sickputer

    SP: Weather report for WIPP downwinders (my family included)…60 mph winds this weekend. Not a good time to mow outside.

    "Windy weather set for this weekend 04/25/2014 12:37 PM

    ALBUQUERQUE (AP) — Forecasters with the National Weather Service are warning New Mexicans that it could be a windy weekend.

    They say a strong cold front will be sweeping into the state late Saturday through Sunday, bringing with it potentially damaging winds for much of the area.

    Snow in the northern mountains and below-normal temperatures are also possible thanks to the storm system. Forecasters say the strongest winds expected to develop Saturday afternoon and continue through Sunday.

    Gusts of 60 mph or greater will be possible, resulting in blowing dust, especially along the Rio Grande Valley.

  • Sickputer

    Guess I was right…from this article it sounds as if idled WIPP workers are assisting in the Los Alamos shipment on trucks for movement to Andrews: (plus learning how to replace their own filters at WIPP…who trained them before? Apparently nobody since we know they had no spare filters.

    "Shipping container maintenance
    Today, waste handling employees returned to the WIPP site to remove waste packages from four containers used to ship transuranic waste. Routine surveying of shipping containers is completed periodically to allow for off-site maintenance. The containers arrived at WIPP prior to the February events. After the containers are evaluated and any maintenance work is complete, these additional containers can support the effort to remove a portion of the transuranic waste from the Los Alamos National Laboratory by the June 30 deadline."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    POTR blog…and BeautifulGirlsByDana..are doing excellent work on this.

  • GQR2

    LANL-WIPPlashers think a "recovery" action plan can be drawn up, a dozen new managers put on the scene and some smooth obfuscating talk, and viola, the WIPP contamination all go away and they can convince the public that their expensive dump is viable.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "some smooth obfuscating talk, and viola,"

    WIPP Report: Safety oversight lacking at Carlsbad DOE office; no cause found for radiation leak

    "The report's findings reveal decisions and oversight that are far below the expectations and standards that led to our 15-year safety record," Franco said. "Throughout the investigation process, DOE provided the board unlimited access in order to receive the most complete and accurate analysis that identifies our areas for improvement. We are moving forward on recovery efforts and implementing the changes necessary to reopen WIPP with fully accredited systems and a prepared nuclear safety workforce."

  • GQR2

    More to be done at Hanford- they are having a
    from the article :
    SRNL’s role is to ensure that the best experts are brought in and given full latitude to ask hard questions and make their recommendations,” said Dr. Terry Michalske, Director of SRNL. “This is one more important way that the National Lab can provide relevant scientific and technical assistance for the safe execution of a critical DOE environmental management mission.”

    SRNL will manage the interface of the panel with WRPS and will ensure that its report is made public. The final scope and schedule for the review will be developed in consultation with the expert panel. Any recommendations are entirely the domain of the expert panel."
    So the other management company URS must be stumped? This is a racket.

  • dosdos dosdos

    I see that the DOE is laying the blame on WIPP management, slipping themselves loose of any blame for poor regulation.

  • Sol Man

    Reddish-brown vapors….bromine? It's anybody's guess

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Operators Rely On Memory, Not Computers, to Track Nuke Waste
    4/28 2014

    "Operators at an underground nuclear waste repository in New Mexico must rely on their own memories to locate plutonium-contaminated waste stored there because computers at the facility were not upgraded to track the materials, the Department of Energy concluded in a 302-page report released April 24.

    • GQR2

      Heart that is a stunning find! They rely on their memories!! If that is not total incompetence i dunno what is. Disband the DOE.
      There aren't enough charts,lists,action plans to make this active salt mine,fracking zone,TRU waste dump safe!
      CLOSE WIPP NOW – decommission it. Remove waste or Declare an ongoing catastrophe like they should of from the git-go (Joe Franco and company taking it personally is the least of the world's problems)

      We need a new sheriff man o man. 🙁

    • Good one.

      "WIPP currently stores 3.2 million cubic feet of waste generated by Energy and the Defense Department during the development and manufacture of nuclear weapons. The radioactive materials are stored across 120 acres in areas called panels, each of which contains seven rooms the size of a football field."
      – Bob Brewin

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Hundred's of thousand's of years of maintanance and "unforseeäble event's" responses..on individual memory..from mouth to mouth at best..

        I can see..i see..a never stopping global rain of collective Darwin Awards..

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        take 3.2 million ft^3 nuke waste (thanks for keeping us safe, military!) then squeeze like Popeye opening a can of spinach (chief, we gotta plan!), then dream of a good outcome for life on earth. That'll get yer head spinnin. My heart goes out to all the Olive Oyls of the world

  • lam335 lam335

    VERY INFORMATIVE new WIPP analysis from POTR blog:

    "MAX ALERT! "GREEN BURST" At WIPP Electrical Substation Triggered By Deadly Radioactive Americium Cloud"

    • GQR2

      Its a very damning report and these people need to brought to heel. How is they have a permit?! They need to be operating with a better plan,a clearer plan despite all their new lists in which they attempt to build and implement basic safety practices and procedures. A new permit was rushed through just last month.

      How do they reconcile the plan to have the mine collapse,with active mining of salt and the venting of waste barrels every 60 days? That place is gonna blow.

  • GQR2

    POTR blog new elucidating analysis on the WIPP report.
    its damning,the Americium probably leaked for at least an hr before alarms went off.

    Hope people in the Southeast are safe,what an insane weather system.

    • +1

      "Short to say; our opinion is that those officials who were reassuring the public that the HEPA system activated automatically and rapidly, while knowing otherwise should face jail time. Moreover our opinion is that those who may claim not to have known but should have known from the math / data, that those persons should never be allowed to operate in any matter involving public safety ever again."
      – potrblog

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Humans are wack.. and 'slow learners'.

    The OPG Wants to Bury a Bunch of Nuclear Waste Right by Lake Huron
    April 29 2014

  • lam335 lam335

    POTR blog:

    "WIPP Electrical Design Flaw Lead to Nearly Catastrophic MidWest Airborne Plutonium Release, AND MAY YET STILL!"

    I think it should say "WIPP Electrical Design Flaw Nearly Led to Catastrophic MidWest Airborne Plutonium Release," since the electrical design flaw didn't in fact cause the release. His point is that the design flaw could have made the release much worse, if not for . . .

    • +1

      Yes, I agree fully with potrblog's assessments.

      A backup electrical system is an obvious oversight.

      It's proximity to the exhaust vents is just plain stupid.

      from an earlier comment…
      This might be important too

      "A second fall into the void space of the first roof-fall can occur anywhere from a few minutes to a few years later."
      – Parker

      April 27, 2014 at 10:35 am ·

      >>>What they should be advising the public RIGHT NOW!, is to expect a second collapse.

      That's why they are now trying to figure out HOW TO properly FILTER what's to come. (if they can?) Obviously, they hadn't really thought it through before.

      regarding link: Parker Testimony 1999
      (credit user Gasser)

    • lam335 lam335

      POTR blog added a link to an interesting video that shows how the "arcing" over the substation works:

  • jec jec

    WIPP containers may have had issues and caused the radiation:

    HUM..and that was just 'low level' waste in those little tin cans..right? (sarcasm). Just WHAT was in those containers in Panel 7? Has anyone the 'removed' contractor lead?? Like what he approved to go into WIPP? If anyone is looking for someone to he will…LOUD AND CLEAR to keep himself out of trouble. If he is not suddenly found missing..or running for legal cover.

    • jec jec

      The 'protective covers'–were have been over 4,000 lbs..or close to a ton in weight….that's heavy to put on top of a can or jar of radioactive coveralls and diapers.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Reddish-brown vapors. Let's see, would that be … plutonium?

    So much for the dopey WIPP Town Hall Meeting where the WIPP presenter showed the green food coloring in the test tube.

    The green food coloring was supposed to represent a tiny little bit of contamination which escaped outside AFTER the HEPA filters had done their job. The presenter said the radiation was basically non-detectable once it had gotten out into the outside environment. See Livestream video of 2nd WIPP Town Hall Meeting. Stock commented at length here re: the subject of potential hazards from whatever leaked out of the WIPP.

    The audacity with which the people representing WIPP officials and the DOE lie is just astonishing. It never ceases to amaze me.

    "Dirty Creature's got my head exactly where he wants it…. Dirty Creature's got me at a disadvantage from the inside."

    Fun watching Timm Finn sing it, too ….