Published: May 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm ET
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Follow-up to:
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Mainichi reveals "Secret" at Japan nuke plant -- Country has 'latent' possession of nuclear weapons
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NSNS: Secret Japan nuclear bomb program covered up using nuclear power industry -- Enough to build arsenal larger than China, India and Pakistan combined
Tepco spokesman questioned during May 10 press conference by Journalist Ryuichi Kino with translation by Fukushima Diary:
Kino: Since last year, Tepco has been taking some videos of Fukushima plants. Is it possible to disclose all of them?
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Kino: Tepco entered reactor 3 on 9th of June (6/11 ?), is that video disclosed there too?
Tepco: We disclosed a part of the video, but we decided not to disclose the rest for the nuclear material protection.
Kino: Was that decision made by Tepco?
Tepco: Yes we did.
Kino: Does that mean it was not the nuclear agency to have decided not to disclose it for the issue of nuclear material protection?
Tepco: The video included the doors that should not be disclosed for the issue of nuclear material protection, so we made that decision by ourselves. [...]
Published: May 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm ET
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Reactor 1 is a full on china syndrome.
The fuel had lost all containment in June 2011. Melting its way through the bottom of the reactor, it currently sits unmoderated by Boron. Producing googles of radionuclide decay products every hour. This is the real problem… It is leaking directly into the pacific ocean via ground water channeling… The amount of fuel located within the unit is capable of contaminating all aquatic life within the entire pacific ocean species for species.
We are all now in talking head modes. But you heads are only repeating the If's and whens of main stream media.
Senator wydel said…
You should and could easily see that the Reactor 1 has been the primary concern of the japanese and Tepco since march 2011.
Hence the tent that was erected in 2011; which merely hides the reactor unit 1.. (If unit 4 were the primary concern Tepco would have built a concrete housing around the reactor to support the unit). (Week one). However the tent does have a secondary purpose which is trapping open air fission products which undoutbly hamper the use of robotic cranes. Which cannot operate within the vicinity of high gamma radiation environments.
so you are right to address reactor 4 as a concern to humanity. But your focus is off beat.
Reactor 1 is a runaway train. Its containment is so far lost, no human has entered Nor can enter the facility for a time period of 2.5 minutes without succumbing to sudden acute radiation poisoning.
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That being said. What can you do?
Think about that. (This is with the addition of full radioactive protection).
You will die within only a few short minutes.
Meanwhile you see that tepco plans to build a 100ft wall (barrier) to contain the oceanic radiation releases on site. (WHY IS THIS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A CONCRETE / STEEL FRAME FOR REACTOR 4 SFP)
Put 2 and 2 together.
If reactor 4 was the primary threat, why would tepco be building an oceanic barrier, instead of a cement housing surrounding the reactor 4 sfp?
Its not a matter of budget. Its a matter of need.
The oceanic contamination is obviously out of hand.
Senator wydel was not allowed near reactor 1. Hence he has no comments or knowledge of the situation.
Although I thank him for attempting to wake the masses.
I FEEL ITS TIME YOU ALL WOKE UP TO THE CHINA SYNDROME OCCURRING ALL YEAR!
So please continue with all the work that you all do.
You are all heros in my eyes. But dont follow the MSM.
TAKE INITIATIVE. SEE THROUGH THE LIES.
IS OBAMA PLANNING ON STEPPING IN:
http://theintelhub.com/2012/05/02/an-urgent-request-on-un-intervention-to-stabilize-the-fukushima-unit-4-spent-nuclear-fuel/
Information is posted for two reasons…
1. To inform
2. To misdirect.
With that knowledge alone you will be ok.
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Fact 1: if Americans knew there was a highly toxic oceanic radiation plume there would be a state of panic. Military would need excess munitions to control the unruly crowds that would be trying to stock up on supplies. This being said have we seen contracts for these munitions.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/16/atk-awarded-contract-to-supply-450-million-rounds-of-40-caliber-ammunition-to-the-department-of-homeland-security/
Fact 2: (this is very important)…
Oceanic radiation / Plume dispersion models show currents carrying radiation west via the pacific drift, from the east honshui island… While these maps are publicly available. Take a look… If the initial contamination was from the march explosions
A. The currents would not continue to have grown in radioactive contamination.
B. The radiation would have by now subsided, to the floor of the ocean
C. The radiation would only show as only a temporary spot on the model. Which would by now have dissipated.
What we are seeing is a constant Leak… (I.e. A radioactive river flowing directly into the ocean).
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6u7Ck0W2rjQ/T4YEYVMgFUI/AAAAAAAAKKQ/X5t0iqY1754/s1600/60729181.jpg
D. If Oceanic contamination was limited to only the few leaks. And explosions: Then, Why on earth was this reported In August? “China Finds 100,000 SQ Miles of Radiation In Pacific Ocean Up 300 Times Higher Than Normal”
Wouldn’t the dispersion of the elements show minimal contamination levels at this point?
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TCG, you mean the oceanic current is carrying the radiation eastward, correct? It can't go westward, as that's inland. Typo?
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typo
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It's OK. I'm a GIS/map freak.
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Thanks.
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http://pacificprogress.us/2011/08/21/china-finds-100000-sq-miles-of-radiation-in-pacific-ocean-up-300-times-higher-than-normal/
Fact 3: The company tepco would have no need for a barrier onsite. Why build in a rush what you do not need.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704390604576252370915447688.html
How long has the need been a relevant issue… ? Are there any other indications that the aquatic radiation releases are plaguing the pacific Ocean?
Tepco to begin coating seafloor with cement mixture (PHOTOS)
http://enenews.com/tepco-to-begin-coating-seafloor-with-cement-mixture
If the sea floor were cemented wouldn’t this “trap” the radiation. Meaning there would be no need for a barrier? (use intelligence here).
Fact 4 as reported by Fukushima daily, cement was drilled in Dec 2011 showing high gamma levels. The image released to the public spectrum was a cement sample with obvious yellow sediment attached to it.
This was Yellow cake uranium. Which could only have came from a sample of concrete that had direct contact to corium on site. (I.e. The primary containment )
http://imgur.com/iQTw0
More sources:
DEC 20th 2011. The containments are Melting like honeycomb.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/breaking-news-whistle-blower-talks-container-vessel-is-melting-like-honeycomb/
Fact 4: The steam from reactor1's basement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vey_Pi7M_NE
This is an obvious sign of fission.
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TCG, if xdrfox's posts are any indication, marine mammals are the canaries in the coalmine, so to speak.
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Everything nuclear is secretive. And ruining everything. It must be outlawed. What are we waiting for?
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With minimal onsite power, an electrical fire within the reactor would be highly unlikely… SO IF this is not a candidate for a heat signature below the unit 1 reactor; Could a fire be the culprit?
Being the lower level of the reactor is filled with 2+ meters of water this would also rule out a fire. Thus a nuclear reaction is in my opinion: The only possible candidate to create the steam plume, which was spotted on the Ground floor in Reactor 1.
Sources: May 29th – 30th.
http://myfukushima.info/2011/05/31/reactor-1-basement-filling-up-2-and-3-thought-to-be-open-to-groundwater/
Fact 6: the first injury on site in USA media was a tepco employee whom had burned his feet after entering the unit 1reactor at Fukushima. These injuries could only be a result of gamma radiation. Which penetrates up to 6 feet of masse.
Sources:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1442476/pg1
Fact 7: The red substance/ powder, found in Tsuruoka City, shows signatures. Of uranium oxide. The reactor1 basement is completely filled with reactor coolant (which is this same color).
(The below article outlines the highly contaminated water found within the unit 1 reactors basement.).
http://news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/2011/05/cesium-and-iodine-radioactivity-in.html
http://imgur.com/Wzivf
http://enenews.com/mystery-reddish-radioactive-substance-detected-180km-fukushima-daiichi-alpha-particles-200cpm-video/comment-page-1
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Fact 8: (Paid shills)….
You are fact 7 and the most important fact of all. You are a promoter hired by various Japanese interests. This is because when users hop online tepco can create a sense of damage control.
Because the truth is that the reactor 1 is in a state of china syndrome. As I send this very message international pressure and monetary damages are created in your country. Your lies are exposed for what they are, tepco along with all of Japan's stocks are effected.
This the situation escalates beyond even your own intervention. Thee truth And the real news is this … Tepco and the Japanese government are broke. The more attention this post gets, the more attention the reactors get. Which is why they hired (:&:&: promotions and you.
In truth I know what is going on inside reactor 1. And now so does the entire glp community. International governments have been left in the dark while the united states and china are delegating your nations very evacuations.
It's no secret that the USA and china have already begun strategizing where 40million Japanese citizens will reside. Hence the FEMA camps that were recently opened all over the united states. Yes it is all tied together.
Obama is using senator wydel to ease this information into the publics attention. So that international aide and control can legally take control of this situation, without alerting the public of the real situation taking place In reactor 1. It is a Roos. A decoy. Smoke and…
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Smoke and mirrors.
But I can be the first to tell you nuclear fuel melting down has a temperature much higher than steel. If reactor 1 had a steam plume coming fr the basement then it's obvious that the 6foot thick primary containment failed to withhold the 3500+degree payload. It cut through the reactor like an angry samurai.
That is the news. expect to see Hawaiians reporting the oceanic wildlifes contamination by July. as it truly is the next stair to this slinky. Which will also be most west coasters final warning to leave before their lives are in absolute danger. God help us. Emmy 2012
More sources:
Worse than meltdown, government report says devastating 'melt-through' has occurred at Fukushima; Official suggests Japan could become 'uninhabitable'
A nuclear core meltdown involves nuclear fuel exceeding its melting point to the point where it damages the core, leaks out, and threatens to potentially release high levels of radiation into the environment. However, a nuclear melt-through is an even worse scenario, as nuclear fuel literally melts through the bottom of damaged reactor pressure vessels into out containment vessels — and possibly even melts through those outer vessels directly into ground, air, and water.
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Learn more:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032657_Fukushima_meltdown.html
http://news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/2011/05/cesium-and-iodine-radioactivity-in.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/fukushima-china-syndrome-is-inevitable-huge-steam-explosions-massive-hydrovolcanic-explosion-or-a-nuclear-bomb-type-explosion-may-occur.html
http://historiesofthingstocome.blogspot.com/2012/03/nuclear-leaks-12-china-syndrome-at.html
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/fukushimas-reactor-1-meltdown-was-worse-than-we-realized
http://www.neimagazine.com/story.asp?storyCode=2061329
http://www.naturalnews.com/032657_Fukushima_meltdown.html
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110607005367.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230406650457634826351233…
http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/03/when-the-fukushima-meltdown-hits-g…
Note worthy:
I estimated that Reactor 1 would go full on china syndrome in June 2011.
On may 29th – 30 of 2011 The basement water level rose significantly As noted above.
In June 2011. There were several large aerial convection releases in the unit one reactor.
In august 2011. Tepco erected its tent (the main project / focus of the entire 2011 calendar year).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxb5qwbXsw
The pieces all fit together.
Reactor 4 is a huge concern.
However while reading between the lines. We can clearly see that there is a much bigger problem at hand.
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Supporting arguments:
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/months-later-arctic-ring-seal-deaths-leave-scientists-flummoxed
Months later, Arctic ring seal deaths leave scientists flummoxed
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-peru-dolphin-deaths,0,5820394.story
The carcasses of dead pelicans still litter the beaches of northern Peru, even as the last of nearly 900 dolphins are cleared away.
http://thesunbreak.com/2012/04/30/a-staggering-mess-as-tsunami-debris-hits-alaska-coast-early/
“A Staggering Mess” as Tsunami Debris Hits Alaska Coast Early
http://enenews.com/japan-govt-data-65-of-marine-life-test-positive-for-cesium-in-nov-average-catch-exceeds-new-radiation-limits-111-bqkg
Japan Gov’t Data: 65% of marine life test positive for cesium in Nov. — Average catch exceeds new radiation limits @ 111 Bq/kg
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In addition Alaskan airline attendants complain of hair loss and rashes which they claim are caused by their new uniforms. We know what the cause is. Thanks Em
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Ty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxb5qwbXsw
I am no longer accepting donations. (fyi).
It was never about money. I never made a dime.
It detracts from the point.
P.L.U.R.
E.M.M.Y. 2012
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p.s.
I was supposed to upload this on http://www.Godlikeproductions.com, If you type In the searchbox. It is the thread called
"Fukushima real news"
I was banned before I could repeat this information. So if someone could please update the thread copying and pasting the posts above into the reply field. I would gladly apprecieate it. As I was banned this morning.
Its obvious that the government does not want this information in the public realm.
Ty and cheers.
Emmy.
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Very helpful Tacomagroove! Well backed up,….and it is sad, sad, sad!
I have copied it in it's entirety,…and sent it on!
Be well my friend!
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Thanks for your great info! You're priceless!
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You've got quite a self, TC – some might call it a bit overblown from time to time.
Can we at least try to get back to the topic of this thread?
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hi taco
the video is blocked in the uk on copyright grounds..
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I got it posted at Hp and Facebook.
EXPLOSIVE TG!!
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Store material for nuclear weapons under a nuclear reactor on a known earthquake fault 100 meters from the coast that has in the past been prone to tsunamis. Wow, planning at its finest.
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Lots of folks shot PattieB down.
Seems shooting the messenger is alive and well also!
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I liked PattieB.
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Me too!
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I wondered what happened to her. She posted some great info. and seemed very knowledgeable.
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I miss:
Westcoastgirl
Red red wine
Occifer dave
Irradiated californian. (not so much).
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Somehow I never been banned…..nuke pro
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/
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Agreed. I miss FromToyko too.
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Yes! Me too.
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See the Corbett Report on YouTube…he interviews head of National Security News Agency about Japan's secret weapons program which led them to recklessly procure everybody's leftover plutonium:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&p=4038CD856E18C7F9&v=nEz9zqkb30k
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rtsp://v7.cache3.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQlJ3xupzv1MnBMYDSANFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYKWc_dmXjLSRTgw=/0/0/0/video.3gp
@ion jean
i got the report http://www.dcbureau.org/201204097128/national-security-news-service/united-states-circumvented-laws-to-help-japan-accumulate-tons-of-plutonium.html but was unable to watch the video above?
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heres a link that works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEz9zqkb30k&list=UU7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q&index=2&feature=plcp
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Ty all.
Please include any supporting or conflicting arguments below
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Thanks, Tacoma! Godlike is serious, I only got the first section posted before I was banned. Your name was included, I was in a hurry, so if anyone else tries, try without her name.
Nuckelchen's videos provide compelling images!
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But I can be the first to tell you nuclear fuel melting down has a temperature much higher than steel. If reactor 1 had a steam plume coming fr the basement then it's obvious that the 6foot thick primary containment failed to withhold the 3500+degree payload.
- Up to 5070 degrees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
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Yes it was very hot then but you must realise this stuff does cool down with time. We estimated that it went solid around July/August 11, August,early September for the MOX. The worry is whats left behind in the reactors. When reactors melt down they leave most of the outside fuel bundles behind, kind of like a donut. This stuff is still in the right geometry to fission unlike the coriums which can no longer fission.
I vote for discussion, not links.
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The coriums are not sitting nicely at the bottom of the reactors & cooling down, and they are not sitting nicely underground either. We still see steam and smoke and occasionally flame come up from the ground on the webcam, and iodine-131 is still being detected in sludge from Yokohama, Kawasaki, Gunma, Yamanashi, and Shizuoka. This indicates re-criticality and fission.
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If you read what I said I'm making a distinction between what melted and whats left behind in the reactor. Whats left in the reactor is fissioning creating the short lived isotopes like I131. I didn,t say that the coriums were sat nicely at the bottom of the reactors, they melted out the RPV and then out the bottom of the containment. but the corium does not remain molten ad infinitum. If you calculate the fuel burn up, the time since the accident, the isotope cross section and the decay paths for those isotopes then you can calculate when the corium could no longer maintain itself as a molten substance.
When people started to talk about "the China syndrome" reactors were using 5 to 7.5% U235 fuel which was metallic. If this melted down it could, in certain conditions, sustain a fission reaction. One of the reason,apart from being cheaper, that they changed to oxide fuel enriched to 2.5 to 3.1% was that it could not sustain fission when it melted.
No matter how many people say the coriums are still molten, or how many times they say it, it will not make it true. There is too little energy in the system to do it.
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Are you basing your scenario on TMI or Chernobyl? I doubt there's much left of the cores in Daiichi 1-3. I expect there's not much left of the reactor vessels, either. Yes, endoscopy photos from #2's containment showed ugly molten residue, but not very much – sort of what was left as the worm passed by. These are 100% core melts, or as close as it gets. About half the cores of TMI and Chernobyl melted. Different cores, different reactors, different conditions.
These BWRs are guaranteed to go all the way down, and breach inadequate containment. Bad design, bad engineering, bad idea.
Oh… and corium can most certainly fission, though I am of the opinion Daiichi's are pretty much fissioned out by now. Doesn't effect the decay heat one bit, and whenever fresh unfissioned fuel churns to the surface, it will flash-fission in the presence of water. Even that much (fission being exponential and all) can re-heat the flow to active melting of whatever it's in contact with.
Try to keep in mind that people here do understand that decay heat is enough to melt and maintain a molten state. Frame your arguments thusly.
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'If' all the core melted down then it would now be producing around 12 megawatts of thermal energy, sounds a lot doesn't it but when you think that that works out at around 5000 electric kettles worth of energy, that's only 35 kettles per tonne of melt. Sorry for this analogy but I couldn't think of a better image to use.
You are right the melt can fission but it cannot sustain a chain reaction. When the neutrons from these fissions are produced they have to be converted from fast to thermal neutrons by a moderator (water) in order for them to split more U235 and cause a chain of splitting atoms.
The scientists from the Kurchatov institute in Moscow, who were looking for the Chernobyl coriums, had to get a KGB volenteer to shoot the elephants foot with 30 rounds from a AK47, just so they could get samples. This was in 1987, so it had solidified by then. The figures for fuel melt at Chernobyl range from 5 to 90%, the rest being ejected by the explosion and fire.
I made the calculations using my 33 years experience working at Burfield AWE in the United Kingdom until 1992. This might not be experience of reactors but I think I know a few thing about the subject.
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I appreciate your considered opinion, but will still have to disagree. There is a reason they keep spent fuel in water – it will melt if it is exposed to air (and its cladding will burn). And sufficiently diluted corium will present as a "pseudo-solid" even though it is not technically a solid at all (no 'frozen' microcrystalline structure). This is how the Elephant's Foot formation has managed to spread at the interface of corium with rock. It is not still hot enough to actively melt what it is in contact with. It is also smaller by weight than any of the 100% core melt coriums at Fukushima.
Shooting off surface chunks of the mass is the only way they could get samples. The surface develops a 'crust' from which energetic disintegrations expel powder in puffs. To then slowly present hotter interior mass to the surface when then crusts and puffs. Weird stuff.
One of the Chernobyl flows encountered water after melting through the pad. Resulting in massive steam explosion and production of corium 'pumice' rocks that are actually solid. All dependent upon conditions and happenstance. (cont.)…
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…TMI2's corium did solidify at the bottom of the vessel, though no one is sure how long that actually took. It was fully immersed in water (the system was never 'dry'). Corium is a strange techno-element of various chemical composition depending entirely on what has been incorporated into the mass.
The pertinent condition for the corium flows from Daiichi's units 1, 2 and 3 have to do with how viscous they may (or may not) be. #2's corium seems to have melted its way through the torus connection once it got through the vessel. Where it would have encountered water to produce a steam explosion and possibly solidify as 'pumice'. #3's corium contains a lot of plutonium [MOX], could be the most viscous flow, but I suspect most of it blew out. Unit 1's flow is most problematic IMO. There are fissures running under the plant toward the cliff, through which water has been escaping (and occasionally geysering up from the ground). A molten mass will take that route if it's available, because it offers far less resistance to the flow than melting straight down through rock.
Thus I don't think we've seen the last of the corium. There is a reason they have poured thick zeolite/boron impregnated concrete on the lagoon bottom. It's a "core catcher."
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I suppose in the end we shall both have to just 'wait and see'. Wait to see if we 'Dodged a bullet', though I think of it as badly winged. Or see if this horror can release its full inventory the thought of which keeps me awake at night.
On the subject of R3, a group of us who worked at Burfield AWE have been working on a paper to try and explain the explosion, I admit that it has us stumped. Not enough horizontal disruption to the fuel pool contents and even though the reactor is leaking contamination the reactors biological shield is more or less intact and in place so I doubt if that much energy could have been released from the reactor in such a short time. I feel that perhaps the the hydrogen/oxygen mix under went a deflagration to detonation transition but it still doesn't produce quite enough energy. A fresh perspective is always welcome and I would like to hear your thoughts on this, if you don't mind of course.
Thank you for a nice polite exchange JoyB.
Peace and be well.
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I don't understand what you are saying here, TBL. The fuel/fission product component of corium tends to remain molten because of its internally generated heat (decay, occasional fission). A corium mass melting into whatever's below the plant where it was formed will incorporate the non-radioactive material it melts. Chromium fixtures, zirconium cladding, steal reactors, whatever machinery's directly below when it melts through, then concrete, insulation, more steel (pipes), etc. Including bedrock.
The biggest corium flow at Chernobyl [~1/3 of the core] melted through the pad and into basement pipes, where it flowed (as is liquid's wont) through them because it was easier than melting rock. Path of Least Resistance toward center of gravity. The famous Elephant's Foot formation is melt-embedded an estimated 3 meters [~9 feet] into granite. It is STILL technically molten after 25 years. The phase transition from solid fuel to molten fuel happens quick – mere seconds (~120 at TMI, ~90 at Chernobyl). The phase transition from molten to solid is indeterminate. For big flows, it may be FAPP [For All Practical Purposes] never.
The more non-radioactive material it incorporates, the less viscous it becomes, the cooler it gets. But it's no ordinary rock-lava or crucible load. Some Daiichi flows are taking paths of least resistance. Far less diluted, still hot as hell. They could make it to the cliff.
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I can't say I 'know' what's happening at any of Daiichi's trashed facilities, but the concrete and rock-bagging of the lagoon and inlet has suggested to me that at least one of the corium flows is following the water (path of least resistance through fissures to the sea). And that it's getting closer by the day. It will be as impressive as a tube flow from Kilauea cliff-diving into the sea, but a whole lot deadlier. Is TEPCO still on vacation?
I do think the #4 SFP is in danger of collapse/failure. That would be deadly too. I do not think there's anything at #3 that's more dangerous today than it was last year this time, maybe less because a lot of fuel rod debris has been covered with dirt. Its ex-facility corium flow(s) may be the least considerable of the three. #2 isn't holding water, so its corium could be headed for the cliff right alongside #1's. Probably not far behind.
And yes, they (our government, theirs, the Russians and Chinese, maybe others) do have the available technology in orbit to triangulate precisely where the bulk flows are, how fast they're moving, and in what direction. We don't get to see it because it's above our pay grades and clearance level.
Yes, the sudden renewed alarm tends to signify relatively immanent event(s) that probably cannot be stopped at this point.
I'll reserve judgment on FEMA camps and such for now. §;o)
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Thanks JoyB,….I was thinking of you today and wondered what your thoughts were!
Your thoughts are troubling! (But, we knew that!)
It's a good thing we like the truth here!
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Thanks, SJ. But I don't claim my evaluation is any kind of 'truth', just a little weaving of disparate threads TPTB have dangled in front of us for whatever reason. I'm still hoping they'll give in and bury the whole mess at some point, all the way to and past Daini – which may be as bad or worse than any one plant at Daiichi. It that must include help from the rest of the world, I hope they'll get it.
But regardless of "the rest of the story" I'm not leaving my homestead. It's well chosen for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is being a well protected cove on the lee side of the continental divide. It's not exactly easy to live here, but we're used to the work, fond of the peace. There is a time for everything in its turn, you don't get to this side of 60 without earning some appreciation for human mortality. I've survived bomb testing, the leukemia it caused, Three Mile Island, and a host of other quite hazard-ridden adventures. One of these days I won't survive. That's just reality, I can live with that.
I've advised all the kids and grands to seek futures in a country that offers universal health care, honest wages-to-COL, a non-fascistic government and some real distance from nukes of any variety. They'll do as they see fit, of course. I don't try to live their lives for them, mine is quite enough!
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Hi Tacomagroove
Good to see you. I always like to read what you post..You get this old lady's head thinking.
At this point if one doesn't get ya, the other one will. Meaning that, this is all bad and we are in trouble no matter which reactor is worse.
I agree that many things have been with held. You have made some very good points about reactor 1, and I would say you are probably correct.. Honestly, I think they are all throwing out enough radiation to do us all in.
I'm not sure about the Fema Camps. Why would they send anyone here when we are in trouble with the radiation that's here and that's still coming here? They wouldn't be safe here either. Maybe we would get the over flow of people who are already sick?
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Thanks so much. Many of us here only have a slight knowledge of fission and the deadly products.
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I miss AGreenRoad. So much information about Fukushima isotopes
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/p/index.html
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Also, small bugout conversations going around. For anyone who wants to join in
chemfood@hushmail.com
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I don't understand why you bother with Hushmail.
It isn't that secure, and they have a history of cooperating with the feds.
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Anybody see this chit? Chernobyl Diaries the Movie? Now we're making money of nuclear disasters and doing nothing with that money to prevent them? This shit is real life. Fukushima Diaries – happening now. This is a sick world.
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Yes I posted earlier about the movie, on non nuke forum.
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Houston; we have a problem on our hands.
Earths oxygen source, the oceans and the plankton
are becoming a toxic nuclear withces brew.
There will be no where to go.
the way I see it is to enjoy as best as
we can what we have now as it will only get
worse and intolerable. Enjoy that King Salmon
steak. Next year the levels of radiaton in it will
be far worse. Time for thoughtful hedonism.
Celebrate our lives NOW as there is no healthy future.
Spend your money. Live like the 1% on the Fed's money.
Is this not our American Dream to live out too!
Use your credit to enjoy life now.
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In some cases, take the credit and rape the banks, but for the most part credit is evil.
This game is not over this decade, unless 4 collapses, only 10% to 20% chance really.
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Time to pack ones bags and figure out where to go. Oh wait, there is American Idol on. We do not want to think about our everyday lives being interrupted by the pesky thing called radiation. Surrounded by smiley happy people! I can not believe how it is impossible to engage the mainstream sheeple on this topic on what is happening in Japan and now the rest of the world!! Completely bewildered. Tacoma, you are really appreciated!! Would love to help you in chipping in for a Geiger for yourself. How about it everyone?
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"We do not want to think about our everyday lives being interrupted by the pesky thing called radiation. Surrounded by smiley happy people!"
Indeed, this is exactly what happened to me yesterday.
As it was raining and when I reached my front door my neighbour was standing on my way. I just didn't want to get wet and she commmented "oh you really don't want to get wet, do you?" I was like damn right baby!! but didn't say that and instead said 'radiation in the rain' etc and she giggled
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How can one not believe that the government is planning for mass calamity is beyond me. The signs are all around us. From the people who brought you Katrina and Three Mile Island…. They can not afford to tell the truth to the public. Cant have the public panicking. Curious about what the elite are doing? Probably buying real estate in Australia or South America?
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trinityfly,
I am completely with you about an evacuation thread, I think about it everyday. Maybe for know we should use the off-topic thread, although it is ALL about nuclear. My beautiful, magic SF Bay Area destroyed by these thugs.
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I am done pushing the bugging out thread. My friends have worked on this for awhile. What really concerned me was Tacoma's take on what is really happening. It is like a slow train wreck with millions of bystanders. It is ALL smoke and mirrors. Everything we hear read or see. All of it! So no one here is doing a sales job on anyone. I have bought my car already…. Let the others hitchhike. Just saying……
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Yes, Tacoma is right, I believe. The biggest Shock Doctrine ever. Where are you thinking of going? I am very restricted by dragging my parents with me and the need for good hospitals.
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My two cents' worth is reactors #1 and #2 are massive slow motion train wrecks. What's to make anyone think #2 is any less serious than #1, given reports since 3/11/11?
Then we have the explosion of the #3 SPF, and likely vaporization of a good portion of it (if not all).
Then we have explosions at SPF #4, which is definitely in bad shape.
Collectively it's a mess of runaway trains all bearing down on Chicago at full speed. There's no one at the controls, and all the switches are broken.
Oh, and there's no technology to fix any of it.
I say it's worse than the dismal picture TCG paints, and I disagree #1 is the primary issue. The whole thing is the issue! Collectively it's beyond dismal.
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If you've ever been in or near Chicago, you'll understand my runaway train analogy.
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Bought my bug out, not perfect but good.
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There is a way out of this. I refuse to accept and reject even the suggestion that we cannot save ourselves.
The answer is provided by the sea. Build a canal from the sea to a place close to the reactors. Use barges to offload equipment. Use barges to take radioactive materials away. To ships anchored offshore.
Have seen all the old warships docked up the river from San Francisco? Their hulls were built plenty thick and of solid steel. The ships can be adapted to serve as storage for spent fuel rods and other things.
You know, in the U.S., the military is, shall we say, somewhat influential in the Congress and Senate. Get the Navy behind this project. They need a new project. They have no other use for those mothballed ships.
Park the ships in close to Fukushima. They can stay there for 100 years, right offshore, no difficulty in that. Load the radioactive materials into the ships using barges.
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TomSmall, it's dismal, but like you, I choose to believe a solution is possible — until it's proven otherwise.
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OK, but what do you do if there is a large EQ and possibly another tsunami? They are not uncommon in Japan. Are you suggesting using mothballed ships as a sort of "dry cask storage" ? If so, then move the suckers onto land. Use them on land.
Japan and Korea have or had large shipbuilding industries. They can put their own industries to work on this.
But yes, TepGov is likely broke. And too cheap to pay for something useful like that, IMHO.
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Excavate and build berths for the ships. Then cement them in place, or do whatever you'd have to do to keep them onshore.
Think BIG.
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Excerpt from my notes: Atomic Age II: Fukushima, May 5, 2012, The University of Chicago, Hiroaki Koide, Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute…
See the documentary: The Japan That Sought to Go Nuclear.
Japan was seeking to be a nuclear power, not just on an energy mission.
Japan will maintain its economic and technical capability for producing nuclear weapons, even if it doesn’t plan to do so. Japan’s position is known for not keeping nuclear weapons, but would maintain only a minimum for nuclear convention.
Japan feels they should retain a position (of nuclear power) as a deployment tool. Although they don’t own any (weapons)at this time, they actually have 45 tons of plutonium and developed rocket technology which could be readily transferred to missile production. They can produce bombs of 4 Kilogram (?) that would be the size of one drop on Hiroshima. While Korea recently had a rocket-missile that Japan would have shot down, Japan has rockets they have sent up, (rockets) easily convertible to missiles at any point.
Military force won’t engage in war, so has no military; (this) is not the case.
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Completely Insane the Japanese embrace of Nuclear.
There will not be any healthy Japanese left to have a
military let alone look after their out of control
nuclear plants. The place will become too radioactive
for human life.
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They have forty tonnes of plutonium, but it contains a lot of the wrong isotopes of plutonium, too many spontaneous neutrons, really dangerous to build bombs with.
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I believe that government leaders think this event is a great excuse to cull the populations. To many "useless eaters". If they really wanted to stop this disaster, they would have acted by now. Either Japan has pissed off some foreign governments or the elite want it to happen. Maybe man needs to be eradicated. We have been very poor guardians of our sacred planet. Time to start over.
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Yes, well, either they are doing a terrible job of keeping us safe, or an incredibly good job of keeping the threat of our demise quiet.
They have been laundering the cash through Japan for more than a generation (the "Lost Generation," now they have a second one), and this looks just like the typical mobster behavior:
1. Take over a legitimate business by force (bomb a nation with atomic weapons).
2. Install your people, launder stolen money while starving the employees (build up the entire current financial world with the yen carry trade–loaning money at zero interest–thereby enriching finance, banks, hedge funds, etc. while destroying the public).
3. When the business is destroyed, burn the place down and collect the insurance money (nuclear explosions allowed to destroy nation).
Mafia 101.
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Sacred planet? How about sacred people?
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Life is sacred. The planet is an inanimate object.
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My point is, why blame the many because of the few?
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The earth has a soul, my 66 Mustang has a soul, my dogs too. The earth is mad, I saw it in the clouds after fuku.
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"in the clouds" — sorry if this is a repeat question/topic but what was odd/strange about the clouds post-Fuku? The global warming deniers have been saying for years that some external gamma source from space caused a drop in global temperatures 1950s to 1980s, and that of course coincided with atmospheric nuclear testing. Now Fuku has released more than all the earlier tests combined. Ionizing radiation causes vapour trails in cloud chambers, so clearly has the potential to trigger droplet formation in saturated air. Crazy weather since 11th March 2011 in many areas. If there really is a significant change in cloud cover, then there are independent scientists who can publish the satellite data for "Earth albedo" (reflectivity). If we are already experiencing a mini-nuclear-winter with falling temperatures, floods and lowered food production, then those independent climate scientists should not withhold any relevant data as they become aware of it. Climate deniers will of course want to claim that climate change is a hoax if global temperatures fall significantly post-3/11, or even if temperatures just level-off for a decade or two. Apologies for this side-issue not being on topic (Japanese "latent" nuclear weapons capablility).
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they are no longer strange, the flies are back, the bees are back, the birds are back.
Hawaii has nice weather, nice fluffy clouds, no lightning. After fuku that all changed, weird clouds, lots of lightning. never since 1982 have I seen this.
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I have imagined that we (the worthless eaters) are like insects to some and that these reactors placed everywhere in strategic locations are like giant insect foggers…we thought they were nuclear reactors ( I'm sure they told the people in Gremany that the ovens were something other than what they were)when infact they may be nuclear exterminating machines-how do we really know they produce power?…Accidents are used to cover the reason that the plant has begun it's "fogging mode" I know this is over the top..but..just sayin
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Doors should not be opened for nuclear material protection..how is the area to be inspected and maintained?
What is this Narnia?
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Narnia!
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..yaya… that weird fawn..all that…
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Prof. Yamazaki from Kinki university analyzed the cesium in sea ground of Tokyo bay on 4/2/2012.
————>He found out it increased since last August.<————-
The samples were taken at 3 locations in Tokyo bay, near Arakawa river Tokyo and Urayasu Chiba.
Results are like these below,,
http://fukushima-diary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/スクリーンショット（2012-05-09-15.35.31）.png-450×171.jpg
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Wish I had a slinky for that graph…
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I do not believe for a second that those really in charge at Fukushima are trying to contain the problem. It has been a year and still no dam present to channel the contaminated water, still no reported efforts to float out fuel rod sections for removal, or even discussions of fuel removal and isolation. Just 'Burn, baby Burn'.
Look at how BP told B.O. and the EPA and every oil company in the world with a large or larger skimmer boat to shut up and sit down while they destroyed the Gulf of Mexico. We have a repeat. Curiously, my educated friends, the same entity that oversaw the construction of the self-destructing WTCs also owned >40% of Halliburton for doing the intentional DH oil well blow out and has interest in the S%Bs at Blackstone who managed BP's money in the US. This same government employee was there when they sited and licensed and commissioned Fukushima, and has US control over those who do the PR for Fukushima. The US is standing down just like at 9-11, the DH oil well, the HAARP weather attacks and Wall Street looting, and now this. The entire congress should be picking up trash by the highway for ever. We need action and intelligent input not PR mewlers who don't know what to do.
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wow, how dark can it get!?
Of course, this is just a speculation but I am wondering someone is out to destroy the evidence of nuclear weapon program considering the recent Mitsui Chemical factory explosion in Yamaguchi. I mean if you want to destroy huge buildings, yeah, just pretend that it was terrorrists who flew into the building, right!? Let's make these one as accidents too…. I think we are onto something.
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I'm curious about radiation levels in China, and Vladivostok – anyone?
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hi ruthers
the chinese have online radiation monitoring… but i think it uses the over averaging software that is recommended by the iaea et al…
noda did some sort of deal in december and the iaea did some deal in sept/november, that seems to have resulted in china supplying most of the parts for nuclear reactors..
and i think he also stopped the chinese releasing their results form the december 2011 expedition with 6 research vessels, equipped to the hilt!
wonder if they tested the japanese nuclear dumps that were hit by the last years earthquakes.. 200 km out to sea.. they would have been hit as bad as daichi… smoke and mirrors!
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the russians never released their results of august 2011..??
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Re: Fact 8
If 40M Japanese are to be evacuated to China and FEMA camp, where would white American people would go? According to the leaked official paper, the US is preparing for a civil war hence the original idea was to house American citizens in FEMA camp. I know there are many camps all over in the US but I don't know how many people they can house in total. Time to bring out those giant plastic coffins that could be placed in unmarked common graves :O Anyway, the logistic of transporting people to these countries is gonna take a long time and furthermore needing loads of English/Japanese/Chinese interpretators etc. If this becomes reality, the word is gonna spread quickly about FEMA camp and Japanese would not want to go, I don't blame them.
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I don't see the US using their fema camps for irradiated Japanese refugees. They want them for US dissidents!
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Hi Jill, did you read this? prisons seem to be quite a good business model…
"For the past two weeks, I have written two columns on the biggest private prison companies, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and the Geo Group (GEO), to expose their efforts to elevate their profits by working to keep laws on the books that will maximize the number of prisoners in this country (one in 100 people, the highest in the world). They were successful by making certain that they had well-placed lobbyists and former employees to keep their product (the number of prisoners) high to keep beds filled in public prisons that they managed and private prisons that they owned. It was even part of the business plan that they filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. (…)"
http://truth-out.org/news/item/9045-breathing-while-latino-laws-boom-for-private-prison-profits
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Oh yes B&B,….last year we even uncovered a slime ball group that was using these 'facilities' to house troubled teens. A Judge was in on it. Every troubled teen he sent to 'the camp', (detention prison), the Judge got a huge kickback from the jail construction outfit. The more 'juveniles' they housed,…the more money they all got! These kids were sometimes being ripped away from their families for very minor adolescent offenses!
'Man has dominated man to his own injury'. Things haven't changed in,… 'forever'!
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And DynCorp, DynCorp International.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/8/31/21915/9083
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Japan is deeply in debt
with whom?
who could force Japan to do so and why?
WHY?
These are interesting questions that I ask myself
is reminiscent of the "sheep to get dry"
Who knows what really
a. is going on
and b. what was really there yet produced and stored
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We be getting a 50 ft. motorsailer ready, hope to leave u.s.a. within a month.
Pray to the lord, the universe and anyone/anything that listens.
Time to go NOW.
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Good luck to you bruced13. Fill your boat with water, food, medical things, protection, and other people. I think you are right, it's time to take a vacation just like Tepco has.
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Safe passage to you bruced13!
We'll see you on the other side!
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You are absolutely right bruced13. Get out now or never. I told Japanese not to evacuate to the US as I knew this was coming. Wishing you a safe journey.
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bruced13, I hope you don't mind my asking. What are your plans? And where are you headed? Wow, 50 footer, that's huge!
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I read two recent articles, “Houston, We Have a Problem, No Known Technology to Deal With Fukushima”, and “The Worst Yet to Come? Why Nuclear Experts Are Calling Fukushima a Ticking Time-Bomb”.
I thought they had been published on ENEnews; but, when I searched the site, I could not find them. Possibly one of our ENEnews commenters posted the links to them?
So, please excuse me if this post is redundant, I am including the 2 links. Both are excellent descriptors of, what are the conditions at Fukushima, and what are the possible resulting effects.
These two articles are an excellent resource for anyone who wants/needs to know what’s happening at Fukushima Daiichi, and what can we expect. Links to these articles have shown up when searching “Fukushima” in Google News; but, they have not been republished in any of the MSM.
http://cuttingthegordianknot.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/houston-we-have-a-problem-no-known-technology-to-deal-with-fukushima/
http://www.alternet.org/environment/155283/the_worst_yet_to_come_why_nuclear_experts_are_calling_fukushima_a_ticking_time-bomb
If these two articles have not been published as headlines on ENEnews, they should be.
Consider sending them to your local news sources and the MSM.
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a sinister secret we cannot reveal because we were gonna make some illegal fireworks. how about you hire a ninety year old water well driller and find the missing reactor cores and tell us where they are so we can possibly help stop this mess.
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Honestly, I'm reading this bad translation generously…
<i>"…doors that should not be disclosed for the issue of nuclear material protection."</i>
The question was…
<i>Kino: Does that mean it was not the nuclear agency to have decided not to disclose it for the issue of nuclear material protection?</i>
Remember, this is plant #3, everything they had was from robots. What this says to me is that there were places – behind doors – that the robots didn't explore because the readings were too high. Fuel ("nuclear material") on the loose beyond the barrier. So no, they didn't survey everything. It doesn't conjure imagery of 2,000 pound mega-megaton bombs behind some door that says "DO NOT ENTER – BIG BOMBS IN HERE."
A member of our TMI-2 investigatory team found a 100 rem/hr (gamma) source at the far end of the auxiliary building about 3 weeks after the accident, in a 1/4-inch terminal gage line. IOW, a small pipe off a larger pipe that ended in a gage. That could only mean one thing – irradiated fuel in the line. Don't ask how it got there, we were told…
Fukup is much, much worse. Nobody'd even notice a 100 rem/hr hot spot inside any of 'em. Outside it's an issue, that's why there's remote control bulldozers and cranes.
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TEPCO is answering ambiguously. But Kino thinks there are footages beyond the door and TEPCO is refusing to show it. TEPCO said one of the reasons was that the name of the contractors were shown that it needed to be censored, hence it will take time for them to process it before it could be shown but they haven't started it yet. Well that may be but I interpret that as BS since it's TEPCO lol
Of course, 'Do not enter' does not always mean 'bomb factory here' but it makes me think what is it so secret about the nuclear reactor building or room? The world knows what has to be in the building though there may be a variation of makes, design etc.
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I think this door thing is red herring and we are all getting side tracked. I'm not sure but in America and Britain since 9-11 some parts of nuclear power stations are off limits for security reasons, I think that TEPCO meant that this door would show some of the security of the facility and the government don't want terrorists seeing these things. It's a little lame but hey I'm not opposed to seeing Tepco & co looking lame.
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Why on earth terrorists might go through a security door while SFP4 is exposed to the outside world. It does not make sense. That's why I think it's total BS. There is no security. Westeners have entered the site and there weren't picked by the security. Perhaps, parachute will do if terrorists really want to be more dramatic ;P
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Thats why I said it sounds lame. But in the US since 9-11 if you go to city planing and ask to see the original reactor proposal they will make excuses to delay you and call the FBI. Hell in the UK all transport hubs are regarded has strategic. A group of train spotter were arrested, thrown into the cells, finger printed and there books and film were seized. My point is that these rules are not made with a nuclear disaster in mind. when that happens these rules make no sense at all. But when did rules thought up by pen pushing beaurocrates and point scoring politicians make any sense.
I think if Japan was building bombs they would be doing it at there reprocessing facilities, that where we built ours.
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I'm not trying to offend American friends but the fact is you only have to breath to be arrested in the US these days and if PTB lies, commit crimes, kill people, they get more bonus, promotion etc in Japan. Go figure! Your last sentence makes sense though logistically.
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I can imagine the electrical rooms might be off limits for security reasons, and the control rooms certainly. But not for "nuclear material protection" in the sense that there's new or used fuel assemblies in there or anything. The control rooms are in a whole different building anyway, probably so is most of the electrical circuitry and switching. There's really nothing of considerable national security concern inside the reactor building that would preclude anybody simply seeing it. It's easy enough to get plant diagrams on the web, including Wikipedia, to tell you where the reactor, pools, labs, drywell access, torus access, etc. are.
Perhaps you are right that there's some subcontractor identification, but you can get the list of subcontractors on the web too, even straight from TEPCO. Hardly 'top secret' stuff. So it still looks to me like there were rooms with dangerous levels of radiation – dangerous to the robot, that is – so opening the doors wasn't done. Perhaps the sampling lab, which has an RCS through-pipe for sampling, which if broken would be an outlet for seriously contaminated water and failed fuel. Or perhaps the fuel pool is collapsed and spilled some contents to the rooms underneath.
But as with every single other aspect of this disaster, trying to figure out what's actually going on from what lies TEPCO is telling today is an exercise in futility. Even without the bad translations…
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JoyB, there has been speculation that Tepco was involved in secret projects or experiments like separating plutonium at the reactors. I have speculated on this too. This latest thing appears to support the speculation. But it's likely that this is just garbled mistranslated PR-speech.
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Units 1 through 4 at Daiichi were antiquated BWR rustbuckets. Regulatory permission to extend the design life spans of these things is neither here nor there in the real world of operating nukes – they weren't designed to last that long, and with TEPCO's bad record of maintenance, wouldn't have even if the earthquake and tsunami hadn't taken them down first.
Thus it would be a pointless waste of resources (corporate or governmental) to install experimental reprocessing technology attached to these clunkers. Japan has big reprocessing facilities elsewhere, and fuel fabrication plants. And lots of "new and improved!" PWRs which would be much better places (with ample containment room) to conduct experiments like you are suggesting. Sure Japan's nuclear industry and governmental pets are as crooked as anybody's, with heavy mob involvement on the labor and money-skimming end. That has always been true of nukes in any country that operates them. And nobody needs nuclear weapons these days. Or, if they wanted them badly enough, it's a whole lot easier to get the plutonium already enriched (Kerr-McGee "lost" 200+ pounds of the stuff in a not-so carefully hidden transfer to Israel once upon a time) or simply buy the bombs from a starving guard in the ex-Soviet hinterlands.
So I think Daiichi was just another filthy nuclear crap-facility burning way past its prime and fated to go on down in a good shake, while TEPCO was perfectly willing to walk away.
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