Published: October 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm ET
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Title: True Stories: After The Apocalypse (Nuclear Testing Effects)
Uploader: AfterApocalypseMovie
Upload Date: April 27, 2011
Description: During the Soviet era, the people of Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan were used as human guinea pigs in the testing of nuclear weapons. Today they live with the consequences. Whilst sheep graze in radioactive bomb craters, many in the population believe that the testing is the reason why one in twenty children are born with birth defects. [...]
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At 20:35 – 21:00 in
Dr. Boris Gusev, Semipalatinsk Institute of Radiation Medicine:
- “We knew precisely where the radiation was.”
- “We knew precisely how much of the different types of radiation that people were being exposed to.”
- “What dose the population was receiving.”
- “We knew everything.”
At 46:30 – 47:10 in
Dr. Boris Gusev, Semipalatinsk Institute of Radiation Medicine:
- “Over the last 15 years we have thoroughly analyzed all the material in these archives.”
- “We have made our conclusions and published our research, and at the same time we have continued our planned research of the population.”
- “Now a huge new group has appeared of 250,000-270,000 people.”
- “These are the children of parents who have been irradiated.”
- “We thought that everything would go smoothly, that chromosonal damage and genetic effects would be confined to the generation of people who were irradiated and they could not be inherited by future generations.”
- “But it turned out that this was wrong.”
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Published: October 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm ET
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Dr. Boris Gusev, Semipalatinsk Institute of Radiation Medicine:
“We knew precisely where the radiation was.”
“We knew precisely how much of the different types of radiation that people were being exposed to.”
“What dose the population was receiving.”
“We knew everything.”
if the russians knew this then then the japanese authorities know it now!
anybody notice a good case for eugenics ie genetic passport….thats where nuclear power is leading us!! the poor contaminated and the rich “clean food and water” eaters!!
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Arclight i had the same thought. The Russians could measure radiation to an exact number 50 years ago, but the US can’t seem to get there info straight. It takes 6 mos. to tell the population that radiation might have come from Japan. They know and we are the new generation of lab animals.
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re: “poor contaminated and the rich “clean food and water” eaters!!”
In reality, not even money can enable people to escape this forever. Once it’s in the air and the food and the oceans and the soil . . . . We all have to eat and we all have to breath, and when nuclear accidents happen, there’s nothing to limit how far the stuff spreads.
On second thought, it doesn’t even have to be an accident–the even “normal” releases from nuke plants must cause stuff to accumulate in the environment.
That’s one of the things that is so incomprehensible about the people who want to raise the limits on “acceptable” radiation exposures–they and their families have to live in the same world that they are shitting up with this stuff. Why can’t they see the big picture?
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Why can’t they see the big picture? There is no big picture for these people. There is only them and their life. Greed and selfishness don’t mix with the big picture, so there’s no point even trying to show them the big picture. Luckily there’s something called karma. And these people will learn what the big picture is the hard way, soon or later…
Of course by then, it might be too late for the rest of us.
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But even selfish people care about their own offspring–if only out of a narcissistic concern that something of themselves live on after them. How can they not be troubled by the possible impact of them?
How much of this refusal to acknowledge reality is simple greed, and how much reflects the fact that they have bought into their own industry’s lies (the “risk assessments” that always come out in their favor, etc.)?
Hobbes said “Hell is truth seen to late”; will they ever wake up and recognize that they have been leading us all into hell (figuratively speaking), or will they remain willfully blind to the very end, or do they already realize the truth, but simply don’t care?
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and aljazeera knew this
Silent bombs for the Motherland
Residents of a remote part of Kazakhstan still suffer the fallout from Soviet nuclear tests.
Gerald Sperling Last Modified: 25 Jul 2010
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/witness/2009/07/20097311050441793.html
Witness – Silent Bombs: All for the Motherland – Part 1
“Between 1949 and 1989, the Soviet Union exploded 460 nuclear bombs in eastern Kazakhstan. The damage residents suffered as a result of being exposed to high levels of radiation has been passed on and seems to have intensified in the following generations.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aUVQiKVKJQ&feature=relmfu
Witness – Silent Bombs: All for the Motherland – Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwCbuNJa2XI&feature=relmfu
Witness – Silent Bombs: All for the Motherland – Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzF7dzQuhpQ&feature=relmfu
Witness – Silent Bombs: All for the Motherland – Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3hyqM-8xfM&feature=relmfu
nice one tony!…should have been watching aljazeera like hilary recommended!!
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cant understand why i missed this….am a reasonably regular viewer of aljazeera!! good documentary!!
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and this badly working flash? website….wow!! check out the pictures
f£$%”%k!!!
http://www.dinarasagatova.com/polygon/
if you have a problem negotiating the site
click on the bottom link on this search page and use that to move around the site
http://www.metacrawler.com/search/web?fcoid=417&fcop=topnav&fpid=2&q=polgon+victims+kazahkstan&ql=
in case that search link doesnt work..
Semipalatinsk polygon :: Nuclear Warfare
http://www.dinarasagatova.com/polygon/
Found Exclusively On: Google
Informational web site about Semipalatinsk polygon, a former Soviet nuclear test site located in eastern Kazakhstan. Web site features audio and photo galleries, …
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Watching this link this morning, provide on a comment, I saw and heard these worlds on screen, … this changes the whole situation and to want to destroy these lives that they have created because of their pursuits, this gets real scary and disgusting to what they have created for all time and how to deal with it in masses, it’s coming !
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zardoz ???
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Funny that was my thought Exactly….
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not so much sean connery in that bad costume though! things couldnt get that bad?
but the thought that radiation contamination could reopen up the eugenics debate…. i kind of like human diversity.. it opens up channels in human development and learning..the problem with gentic passports is that it is all too possible now as opposed to 1934 germany, where their eugenics programme was well under way.
the problem for me in that video was that i could understand the reasoning…at least until i remembered that i am “disabled” too! but its a great idea though isnt it…clean the human race to thouroughbred status! a great “medical” achievement!! it sounds so easy…but there will be human suffering and this video gave us a glimpse of that when bibgul was crying…. she struck me as a happy girl and the husband seemed dutiful…but they the whole family seemed abandonded… i wonder if kazahkstan will come up with a final solution and will they use genetic marking?? who will escape that sort of purge??
my heart goes out to the polygon victims and i share there difference with pride…
just a point to note here… people diagnosed with domns syndrome are some of the most genuine and naturally loving beings i have had the pleasure to meet..in fact i believe them to be natural healers, my view, but i know anyone out there who has worked with this group might well agree!!
i wasnt able to talk about this properly straight away because i was shocked to the core on so many levels with the material…its dynamite…and shame on the so called main stream media for allowing this to go on.. and shame on tony blair for doing any kind of buisness with such a regime!
just my take :/
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i did an ma course in psychology didnt learn as much as i should but the doctor in my opinion seemed to have add symptoms, he seemed to be in a “manic rush” and being on camera added to that…its a casual note i make nothing definitive, but it takes one to know one!
it also explains his attitude when faced with derision by the nurses…interesting….and if true would make his statements perverse!!
just my take there
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It’s as if what they really want is to destroy the evidence of how their technologies can affect living things. They don’t want to be reminded of it, and they don’t want others to see it. Then they can continue their lies and continue denying the causal link. I read somewhere that after Chernobyl, the authorities went around and tried to force all pregnant women who had been in the vicinity to have abortions.
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Orphanage for disabled children in Kazakhstan
AfterApocalypseMovie
“This section never made it into the film. It shows the situation at Ayagus orphanage. The girl in the film, Rufina, got her operation in the end, but died as a result of complications. Note all filming was done with the permission of the acting director of the orphanage and the Ayagus akimat.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQK1AcRTKw
Kazakhstan’s radioactive legacy
“Sixty years ago, the Soviet Union detonated its first nuclear weapon, nicknamed “First Lightning”, at a test facility on the steppe of northeast Kazakhstan (formerly the Kazakh SSR). The test site, named the Semipalatinsk Polygon, would go on to host 456 atomic explosions over its 40-year existence. Residents in the surrounding area became unwitting guinea pigs, exposed to the aftereffects of the bombs both intentionally and unintentionally. The radiation has silently devastated three generations of people in Kazakhstan – the total number affected is thought to be more than one million – creating health problems ranging from thyroid diseases, cancer, birth defects, deformities, premature aging, and cardiovascular diseases. Life expectancy in the area is seven years less than the national average of Kazakhstan….”
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/kazakhstans_radioactive_legacy.html
Thermonuclear bomb RDS-27; RDS-37. (USSR)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIuWhUCwXw&feature=related
The most powerful thermonuclear bomb created from the United States
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB5ayF75HGo
Tsar Bomba – King of the Bombs – 57,000,000 Tonnes of TNT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8dNQ&feature=related
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Thank you anne& arclight.
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At 15:00 a nurse says that major defects are becoming more common, not less. I don’t remember where it was, but someone the other day posted something saying that, in animals in the Chernobyl region, researchers similarly found that the frequency of mutations in animals actually increased with every succeeding generation.
Why can’t/won’t people pay attention to this?!
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Chernobyl at Ten: Half-lives and Half Truths
In a related study, two U.S. geneticists analyzing animals inside Chernobyl’s 6-mile radius found that small rodents known as voles “sustain an extraordinary amount of genetic damage.” The study found that “the mutation rate in these animals is . . . probably thousands of times greater than normal.” Two findings called “ominous” were, first, that one-third of the mutations that the scientists expected to see were not even detected — probably because they were lethal. “It could be that the animals were never born,” said Dr. Robert Becker of Texas Technical Univ. Second, “the vole mutations were cumulative, increasing with each succeeding generation.” Both researchers doubted that any species could sustain such a mutation rate indefinitely.[22] [22. The New York Times, 5-7-96, B6.]
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/Chernobyl@10p2.html
Chernobyl’s Voles Live But Mutations Surge
By DENISE GRADY
Published: Tuesday, May 7, 1996
http://large.stanford.edu/publications/coal/references/grady/
UNSCEAR 2006/Report: Vol. II
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/2006/09-81160_Report_Annex_C_2006_Web.pdf
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thanks–that’s the one I had in mind
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From your link anne page 52 last paragraph…worth a quote I think here
“The unscear 2001 report on the hereditary effects of radiation emphasised that
NO radiation induced genetic (ie hereditary) diseases have so far been demonstrates in human populations exposed to ionizing radiation.
NO demonstrable adverse reproductive outcomes were described for the survivors of the atomic bombings in japan, or women irradiated during infancy for skin haemangiomas.
NO demonstrable hereditary effects of radiation exposure resulting from the Chernobyl accident have been described.
Likewise
NO increase in cytogenetic abnormalities or genetic defects has been reported in survivors of childhood cancer exposed to ionizing radiation before reproduction.”
NO NO NO NO NO!!! got that wrong and they knew about the problems in kazakstan all along!!
Naughty IAEA naughty WHO naughty nukes!
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re: NO radiation induced genetic (ie hereditary) diseases have so far been demonstrates in human populations exposed to ionizing radiation.
NO demonstrable adverse reproductive outcomes …
NO demonstrable hereditary effects of radiation exposure resulting from the Chernobyl accident have been described.
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Have they ever looked in the orphanages of Belarus and Ukraine? . . . not to mention the Polygon. The IAEA is nothing but a mouthpiece for the industry.
Here's an interesting point from the Radiationtruth.org webpage:
"Agreement WHA12.40 between WHO and IAEA... says:
on 28th May 1959, WHO signed an agreement with the IAEA, which states that neither of these agencies may take a public position that could harm the interests of the other."
("World Health Organization: Basic Documents", 2007, pages 62-66)
http://www.radiationtruth.org/industry-and-government-2/
–”harm the interests of the other”?! You mean the IAEA and the WHO have “interests” other than the health and safety of the people on the planet? And they come right out and admit that in an official document? If that quote is correct, it is disgusting how blatantly these two entities admit that they had their own “interests” to protect, quite apart from health and radiological safety.
The IAEA obviously sees its first object as advancing nuclear power (and thereby increasing the profits of its industry), but how was the WHO ever persuaded/pressured/or whatever into making such an unethical agreement?!–if they have reason to suspect that nuclear anything (bomb testing, power plants, uranium mining/processing) might be adversely affecting human health, they have agreed not to say a word about it lest it damage the IAEA’s “interests”? What could the WHO possibly have gotten in return to persuade it to sell its soul in this way?
More importantly, how can this self-imposed gag order be undone?
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They learned that trick from big tobacco… who used to have the same agreement..or a similar one. The World Health Organization could not say that cigarettes where harmful to your health.
Now..why do we send them tax dollars?
..or listen to a damn word they say?
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From NRC FACT SHEET
Genetic effects and the development of cancer are the primary health concerns attributed to radiation exposure. The likelihood of cancer occurring after radiation exposure is about five times greater than a genetic effect (e.g., increased still births, congenital abnormalities, infant mortality, childhood mortality, and decreased birth weight). Genetic effects are the result of a mutation produced in the reproductive cells of an exposed individual that are passed on to their offspring. These effects may appear in the exposed person’s direct offspring, or may appear several generations later, depending on whether the altered genes are dominant or recessive.
Although radiation-induced genetic effects have been observed in laboratory animals (given very high doses of radiation), no evidence of genetic effects has been observed among the children born to atomic bomb survivors from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Found here: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/bio-effects-radiation.html
I have even see post war propaganda explaining how subsequent generations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually grew stronger and healthier while showing no hereditary effects.
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At 33:00, a scientist shows how a geiger counter goes off when it is very close to a pice of granite taken from the epicenter of a bomb blast, but then the radiation drops off when it is moved a few feet back. He adds that the radiation is only 15 or 20 times higher than normal background levels, which is “not a lot.” From this, he concludes that the deformities cannot possibly be the result of the bomb testing, since the exposures would be too low. Sound familiar?
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make that 31:00 to 33:00
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Here is why Japan is trying to hard to minimize the problem Fukusima caused. And the US is right there with them.
Japan Closer to Exporting Nuclear Technology to India, Vietnam
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204528204577007712071441558.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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How shockingly brutal is that?
When we destroy the very core of life and the absolutely evil judgement imposed upon motherhood we are not human anymore.
The human spirit and soul dies with these hellish images and words.
Is this the future we have created for our children?
This is before TMI, before Chernobyl, before Sellafield, before Fukushima, and before all other “safe radiation releases”.
When will it end? When we can not live and care for ourselves anymore?. When we are restricted from reproducing to “save the gene pool”? To save the intellect of our species? That left town long ago.
When is enough, enough to tip the scales against all life on earth?
It was not the genie that was let out of pandoras box.
This is truly the beast, in all of it’s tradgedy and horror.
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+100
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Loading5 Questions for Vinod Khosla
“For every nuclear plant that environmentalists avoided, they ended up causing two coal plants to be built. That’s the history of the last 20 years. Most new power plants in this country are coal, because the environmentalists opposed nuclear. When you ask someone like the NRDC, ‘Do you prefer nuclear or coal?’ They’ll say ‘We prefer nuclear to coal, but we don’t want either.’ It doesn’t work that way; we need power.
They’d like to see wind and solar photovoltaics. Well, it doesn’t work if it’s 40 cents a kilowatt hour, and it doesn’t work if you have to tell PG&E’s customers: ‘We’ll ship you power when the wind’s blowing and the sun’s shining, but otherwise, you gotta miss your favorite soap opera or NFL game.’ That’s just the reality, so you have to be pragmatic about this. What is the most cost-effective way to do it?”
And this
“It’s a good investment, by the way. We have two battery investments, to make better hybrid batteries. So it’s not like I think it’s a bad market. Something can be a good investment, like batteries, without it being material to climate change. Now biodiesel or diesel from waste grease in San Francisco are toys. They are never going to replace petroleum because they are not going to be cheap enough.”
Yep pro nuke, anti fossil fuel, pro heavy battery usage!
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-questions-for-vinod-khosla/
cont…..
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The nuclear industry depends on batteries as a last resort to keep a nuclear power plant from melting down when all else has failed.
Nuclear Power has failed epically, so maybe it’s time to depend on batteries when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
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and this gentleman employs
“Khosla Ventures, a Menlo Park, California-based venture capital firm that focuses on cleantech and information technology startups, announced in May that Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his team at Tony Blair Associates will serve as Senior Advisors to the firm.”
“”Solving the climate crisis is more than just a political agenda item — it’s an urgent priority that requires innovation, creativity, and ambition,” said Tony Blair. “I share a clear vision with Vinod, one of the earliest leaders in cleantech investment, that entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley and beyond will have a tremendous impact on our environmental future. Vinod’s portfolio companies are galvanizing scientific and technological know-how into businesses that can make a huge difference in reducing carbon and other emissions,”
“The Khosla Ventures organization is particularly effective in assisting entrepreneurs to develop and deploy their technologies all over the world.””
Nice video on link
http://www.greenvc.org/2010/06/tony-blair-joins-khosla-ventures.html
and where in the world did they send poor old tony?
“Kyrgyzstan rejects radioactive Kazakh coal 28 Oct 2011 09:23 GMT
… after Kyrgyz customs officers learned incoming Kazakhstani coal has background radiation 12-15 times … and to terminate their contracts with the mines. Babanov will order a new tender for alternative coal suppliers if necessary, the Kyrgyz government press …”
http://mining.einnews.com/news/coal-mining/kazakhstan
oops meant this…
cont….
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“Tony Blair secured a deal to represent Kazakhstan after meeting billionaire Labour donor Lakshmi Mittal in the corruption-plagued country, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Steel magnate Mittal –who has given more than £4 million to Labour – sat next to Mr Blair at a meeting of powerful international businessmen in the Kazakh capital Astana in May.
The former Labour Prime Minister’s meeting with Mr Mittal will inevitably raise fresh claims that he has cashed in on his decade in power at Downing Street.”
Nice video on link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055223/Tony-Blair-billionaire-donor-Lakshmi-Mittal–major-deal-Kazakhstan.html?ITO=1490
andl Lakshmi Mittal is…..
“Leaders of the trade unions found that Lakshmi Mittal’s employees all over the post-soviet space are facing similar problems. Now they would like to unite into a global trade union. The larger union will be able to protect employees’ rights more efficiently amid the globalization, the initiative group said.
“This step is a necessity, especially since governments of many countries are toughening their policies and cutting social protection of their citizens,” leader of ArcelorMittal Temirtau< coal miners' trade union Marat Mirgoyazov said.
“Together we'll be able to more effectively stand up against the transnational company's rampant pursuit of income. This pursuit often entails infringement upon the employees' rights, deterioration of their working and living conditions, groundless job cuts, violation of social standards, pressure on trade unions and attempts to reduce the scope of their activities,” the joint declaration adopted by the delegations of trade unions of ArcelorMittal Corporation employees in CIS countries stated.”
http://en.tengrinews.kz/companies/1258/
merde i think i pooed in my own bed….sorry tony…he is really hard to pin down…info is well screened.. but theres enough to smell a rat huh enenews viewsers…:)
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http://en.tengrinews.kz/companies/1258/
dont know what happened there and me router is playing up oooerr!!
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Arc, If your savy with the tech, try freesco. A linux based router. Fits on a floppy, runs on a 486. NAT and Rules based firewall. I have for more than ten years. Has never let me down…
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ta jebus …noted!
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liked these comments and the link was informative…
“Bakhyt Tumenova, director of the nongovernmental pressure group on health matters called Aman Saulik, says one of the problems is that no one has really kept track of how people have been affected. “
“Tumenov said that by contrast, Japan had used a “reconstructive” model which looked at the continuing effects of initial radiation and allowed a more accurate estimate of future problems.”
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2008/2008-09-18-01.html
oh and anne nice finds!! no news on the un pettion for children of fukushima yet!! :/
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Kazakhstan’s nuclear ambitions
By Togzhan Kassenova | 28 April 2008
“In April 2007, 150 Japanese government and private sector representatives visited Astana, the Kazakh capital, and signed 24 bilateral trade deals, including the purchase of a stake in a Kazatomprom uranium mine by Marubeni Corporation. In addition, Toshiba pledged to help Kazakhstan build nuclear power plants, and the Japanese delegation agreed to provide Kazakhstan with technological assistance for processing uranium fuel and building reactors.4”
“Kazatomprom’s goal is to collaborate with Russia to export nuclear reactors to third-party countries. It has already established Atomnye Stantsii, a joint venture with Russia that will design, build, and sell small- and medium-sized reactors. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Mohamed ElBaradei has noted that most major vendors have failed to offer such reactors, which are believed to be more appropriate for countries new to nuclear energy. ElBaradei has mentioned Jordan, Thailand, and Ghana as interested in reactors at 100-400 megawatt capacities.8 Kazakhstan also believes that other Central Asian countries will also be interested in buying such new reactor technologies.9”
“First and foremost, Kazakhstan responsibly defends nonproliferation and export controls. It is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Nuclear Suppliers Group. And in addition to its general IAEA membership, Kazakhstan has signed the IAEA Safeguards Protocol and signed and ratified the IAEA’s Additional Protocol. Adherence to the Additional Protocol subjects all of Kazakhstan’s nuclear facilities to stringent IAEA oversight, including comprehensive declarations, reporting, and site-access obligations.”
http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/features/kazakhstans-nuclear-ambitions
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sorry admin hope the politics and economics are on topic
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wonder if tony realises that while hes there that 70 percent of electricity is produced by coal…and that the coal is a bit more radioactive than normal…up to 12 times normal according to the above post from mining corporation website (password protected
) wonder if he will visit the orphanage and leave a donation, or have his pr boys handled that too???
merde im starting to sound like a daily mail reporter….time for tea and a star trek video meethinks!!
gnight you wonderful bunch!!
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suppose i should give you my thoughts a bit as opposed to cut and paste….
in summary tony blair is going to kazakstan to develop nuclear stuff from mining to proccessing the full nuclear cycle including the “carrot of decommissioning and cleaning up the country or maybe offering health and minor financial support as in belarus (now being phased out by the international humanitarian organisations after 25 years)
god this guy looks sounds clean….on the web you cant connect him with the word nuclear??? you have to dig under the surface and follow the names…thats where the blair machine falls down, luckily for us!! and hes really connected, to much to post!!
definately goodnight everyone
peace
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the web you cant connect him with the word nuclear??? scratch that phew!!
“Tony Blair calls for G8 global warming plan
Tony Blair: ‘People need solutions that are realistic and practical’ By Julian Ryall in Tokyo
5:30PM BST 27 Jun 2008
“One area that Blair conceded would be controversial is his support for investment, both financially and technologically, in the nuclear power sector.
To rule out nuclear power “would be a big mistake,” he said, suggesting that the world needs a “substantial renaissance of nuclear power” to reduce emissions.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3345658/Tony-Blair-calls-for-G8-global-warming-plan.html
as the markets crash around tony comes up with a good investment to stick his millions into
“To rule out nuclear power “would be a big mistake,””
and he said it in tokyo!! irony…now hes promoting “green energy” in kazahkstan…hmmm!!??
and this from 19 september… a meeting with a crowd called the climate group…also pro nuke!
“But also, business and industry working within a framework set at international, national and sub-national level, which is incentivising the development of the science and technology, which is in the end the only way that this is going to be resolved.
Because one thing that I’ve learned very clearly in these past years and this, I think, particularly involves the development of China and India. I think, for example, the Chinese government really do take this issue seriously today.”
http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/tony-blair-launches-the-climate-groups-clean-revolution-campaign-at-climate/
india and china huh?? big muke development plans there too!! old tony is pretty slick in a pr sense!! …nearly!!
oh and i use tony as an example of the system at work..and the vague way they talk (non specific or generalised)…
you could apply this slickness to most of his contemporaries in government and the private sector..they covered up…
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POLYGON
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Uhhmmm….Hey, maybe three arms and legs aren’t such a bad thing.
…The average human could increase their output by 50%.
…Would Revolutionize the clothing and shoe industry
or
…Two radiated genetically blind people on a “Blind Date”.
just two examples friends
red red wine
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Problem is radiation diminishes intellectual capacity. At what point will humans no longer be human, but a dumber species? This is probably the cause of the politicians who just don’t get it. There is already so much radiation in the world, they are no longer able to think. What species are humans mutating to? Zombies?
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Evidence of lots of study on radiation poisoning. They can’t say “I don’t know” truthfully. Not Russia, not Canada, not USA and not Japan. And don’t tell me they don’t have antidotes or mapping devices. Why were tests conducted by airplane in Japan and Western States? Its quicker and they have the formulas to extrapolate data for ground. But results are for their eyes only. They have been studying it for 60 years or more. Not only studying radiation but studying public reaction to what they do and have done. They know what they can get away with.
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I was very surprised by the statement in the movie that most scientists do not believe that genetic mutations can be passed on to succeeding generations. Is that true?
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i.e., I mean is it true that they believe that? (not is that really the case)
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I thought they told one of the patients that she had a 70% chance of having a child with a birth defect.
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Yes, but at 0:47:15 in this movie they put text on the screen that says “The vast majority of scientists do not believe that radiation damage in humans can be passed down the generations.”
If that is true, it is astonishing and disturbing. Then it’s no wonder why more doctors don’t speak out against nuclear technologies. But the findings in the Polygon, Belarus, and Ukraine all prove this to be incorrect–and sadly future developments in Japan will probably further confirm this reality.
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Actually, that is not the only place where the movie seems to want to doubt the causal link between the bomb testing and the deformities. The narrator also seems to try to raise doubts about it when he emphasizes that the woman’s mother was born with the same facial deformity before any bomb testing had been done. I suppose that the producer/narrator was motivated by a well-intentioned desire to save the expectant mothers from being harassed by the medical eugenicists by suggesting that they will not necessarily have deformed/retarded babies. Nevertheless, denying/downplaying the tragic effects that such testing has had on this population (including future generations) is not ultimately a helpful strategy, since these people continue to be exposed to this stuff regularly and they grow food and graze sheep in fields still badly contaminated by it. It is important to acknowledge the danger that this stuff poses to all (living and yet unborn).
So on the one hand there are the doctors who acknowledge this causation, but draw from it the horrifying conclusion that people need genetic passports and their ability to reproduce should be curtailed. On the other hand, there is a narrator who seems to think that it is necessary to raise doubts about this causal link in order to escape from those horrifying conclusions. In the middle is the poor Kazahk family itself which represents a third possibility–they know the bomb testing has adversely affected their health, but they also know that life–especially infants–are to be valued and cherished even if they are not “perfect.” One wonders why the producer/narrator doesn’t take this stance instead of trying to raise questions about the causal relationship after quoting so many people who have admitted that this causal relationship is genuine.
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i and my daughters have adhd! what would the spartans have done about that eh!!???? food for thought….grrr genetic passports….
big up on bipolar……were needed!!
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genetic passports? ugh… kinda fits in with my concern when I gave birth..to both of my daughters, and they gave me a card with blood drops on it…incase the girls were ever kidnapped they said I would have their DNA..but there was a card that had the blood drops that was kept by the hospitals.. I always thought or have suspected that a giant DNA data base, part of the human genome experiment, exists and all persons born are added to that data base.. since when? I do not know…only sure that for the last 12 years this seems to be common. pku test anybody?
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kinda depends whos in charge of the database!! huh??
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GENETIC EFFECTS OF IONIZING RADIATION
“Research and statistics show a definite increase in the incidence of inherited chromosomal damage resulting from even low doses of radiation exposure….”
http://www.atomicvetkin.com/genetics.html
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Nuclear Radiation and its Biological Effects
“…. On the basis of the US government’s neglect of follow-up and record keeping on radiation-exposed people, and its lack of concern for mild genetic effects, the unrest of the US public with respect to further development of nuclear technology is highly rational. Continuance of present government neglect and unconcern is at best irrational and at worst genocidal. We may observe the same syndrome of irrational behaviour in other nuclear nations which are experiencing public unrest…..”
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/NRBE/NRadBioEffects.html
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Japan Radiologist: Radiation can cause mutations like “fingers growing out of a shoulder”, other deformities in future humans
At 4:30 in
Eisuke Matsui, Gifu Environmental Medicine Research Institute:
Lower radiation doses could cause significant health problems, even in subsequent generations
If the testicles are exposed to radiation this can cause genetic defects like fingers growing out of shoulder, other deformities
[link to http://www.youtube.com
for english subtitels, press the cc-button bottom right
This report was broadcasted on Oct. 4, 2011 at the german TV-channel ZDF, one of the public channels in Germany.
Radiologist interview partner:
Matsui, Eisuke; Gifu Environmental Medicine Research Institute
some Info about Mr. Matsui
Born 1938. Director, Gifu Environmental Medicine Research Institute. Previously taught radiology at Gifu University School of Medicine. Japanese Respiratory Society certified specialist. A special member of the Japan Lung Cancer Society and the Japan Society for Respiratory Endoscopy. One of the few specialists in Japan to address the problem of internal exposure to radiation. Matsui has been involved for many years with class-action suits over the certification of atomic-bomb victims, and has also written extensively on the health effects of asbestos. His latest book is Mienai kyôfu: Hôshasen naibu hibaku (Invisible Terror: Internal Exposure to Radiation) (Junpôsha, 2011).
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1669862/pg1
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Re: Scientist believes radiation-induced mutations can be passed genetically to future generations
Outlook for Japan could be much worse:
Japan has been slow to admit the scale of the meltdown. But now the truth is coming out. David McNeill reports from Soma City
[T]he triple meltdown [...] has elevated Japan into unknown, and unknowable, terrain. Across the northeast, millions of people are living with its consequences and searching for a consensus on a safe radiation level that does not exist. [...]
Some scientists say Fukushima is worse than the 1986 Chernobyl accident [...]
[M]any experts warn that the crisis is just beginning. [...]
Some scientists predict that one million lives will be lost to cancer. [...]
Chris Busby, a professor at the University of Ulster:
“[Busby] said the disaster would result in more than 1 million deaths. ‘Fukushima is still boiling its radionuclides all over Japan [...] Chernobyl went up in one go. So Fukushima is worse.’”
“Professor Busby says the release is at least 72,000 times worse than Hiroshima.”
Professor Tim Mousseau, a biological scientist who has spent more than a decade researching the genetic impact of radiation around Chernobyl:
“[Mousseau] worries that many people in Fukushima are ‘burying their heads in the sand.’”
“His Chernobyl research concluded that biodiversity and the numbers of insects and spiders had shrunk inside the irradiated zone, and the bird population showed evidence of genetic defects, including smaller brain sizes.”
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1669862/pg1
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Economy of scale from Hell.
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Gene Mutation
http://www.biology.ewu.edu/aHerr/Genetics/Bio310/Pages/ch13pges/ch13note.html
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UNSCEAR 2006/Report: Vol. II
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/2006/09-81160_Report_Annex_C_2006_Web.pdf
see my responce to annes above report… or read the report…its a wild ride though…good luck ??
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Wow, I just dloaded 5 pdf’s from there earlier today…
Here’s one from 1958 on The Genetic Effects of Radiation…
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/1958,%2013th%20session%20%28Suppl.%20No.17%29/1958final-4_unscear.pdf
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Here is a site search from there, that has a lot of very technical info…Tough reads…
Search terms
effects site:www.unscear.org/docs/reports
http://www.unscear.org/unscear/search.html?site=unscear&sort=date:D:S:d1&q=effects+site:www.unscear.org/docs/reports&filter=0&entqr=0&ud=1&start=20
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Somatic effects of Radiation from 1962
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/1962,%2017th%20session%20%28Suppl.%20No.16%29/1962final-4_unscear.pdf
Effects OF Ionizing Radiation on the Nervous System from 1969
http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/1969,%2024th%20session%20%28Suppl.%20No.13%29/1969final-2_unscear.pdf
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maybe not tonight
but ive downloaded um for later ta
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You are right, Mark! We had an opportunity to see some of the secret documents after Chernobyl. Those in power had special food supplies from abroad, everything had been checked for them. At the same time people were left to eat salad, children to stay in radioactive rain and there was no danger, according to the official announcements!
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Mutation is forever. It seems ironic that some would have you believe life on earth developed as a series of small mutations. Here is the proof for all to see that mutations of DNA are 100% bad news. If mutations were good for species, shouldn’t we be seeing teenage mutant ninja turtles by now instead of crippled, disfigured weakened sick babies and grandbabies? How can they tell so many lies?
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Please see my comment above–you don’t need to convince me of this–I’m just quoting (with dismay) words that are presented in this movie (@ 0:47:15).
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sorry, that was supposed to be in reply to Anne’s comment, but it ended up posted far away from it.
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murders AND YOU WILL ALL GO TO hell forever
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“Fukushima officials leave for Chernobyl
A delegation from Fukushima Prefecture is en route to 2 former Soviet republics to investigate how they have dealt with lingering radiation from the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear accident.
The group will also visit the Chernobyl nuclear plant as well as schools and hospitals in areas where radiation levels remain high.”
(…)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/31_13.html
That trip will be a nightmare.
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AWESOME!! It’s a great lesson for them. Long overdue!!!
The Russians have wanted to help Japan, send experts, and take in refugees from Day One. The Russians want to help Japan!! They “get it.”
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There are genetic defects still found in the descendants of Korean victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; 65 years of living in (relatively) nuclear free Korea didn’t improve their genes.
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the IAEA on the case/sarc
“Currently there are no restrictions of access to the nuclear test site and limited reoccupation has already begun. An assessment of the exposure of persons who, on a daily base, visit the areas where the surface tests and vented underground explosions has been undertaken.
Initial findings of this assessment indicate annual exposures in the region of 10 mSv, predominantly due to external exposure. If these areas were permanently settled in the future, estimated exposures could be up to 140 mSv per year. This annual exposure is above the action level at which intervention is expected to be undertaken. Remedial action is, therefore, considered necessary for these localized elevated areas. However, due to budgetary and other constraints, the most appropriate remedial action at this time may be to restrict access to these areas.
The measurements made by the IAEA experts corroborate, to a reasonable degree, the more extensive surveys carried out by different organizations from Kazakhstan and the former Soviet Union. The combined results are considered sufficient to form the basis of a preliminary assessment of the radiological situation of the area around the Semipalatinsk test site.
The one exception to the above conclusion is the drinking water supply. While samples of drinking water taken during the missions showed no elevated levels of artificial radionuclides, sampling was not comprehensive. As such it is difficult to draw general conclusions about the entire water supply.
The external radiation dose rates and soil activity outside the test site are the same, or close to, typical levels in other regions and countries where no nuclear-weapons testing had been carried out. Some areas show small increases but these are not significant in terms of the exposure to the local population.”
http://www-ns.iaea.org/appraisals/semipalatinsk.asp
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Slow Death In Kazakhstan’s Land Of Nuclear Tests
August 29, 2011
shorrt video by radio free europe!
http://www.rferl.org/content/soviet_nuclear_testing_semipalatinsk_20th_anniversary/24311518.html
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Soviet nuclear tests leave Kazakh fallout
BBC News 7 Sept 09
“Many women in those villages were suffering from miscarriages and lots of babies were born with birth defects. But people were hiding it, because in Kazakh culture no-one would marry into such a family.”
Today, nearly half a million people have officially been recognised by the Kazakh authorities as affected by nuclear testing…………..
scientists now are trying to understand – whether children born to parents or grandparents who were exposed to radiation have inherited faulty genes damaged by nuclear testing.
A new lab equipped with modern technology at the Institute of Radiation Medicine is allowing scientists for the first time to carry out such DNA research.”
http://nuclear-news.net/2009/09/07/millions-affected-by-nuclear-tests-in-kazakhstan/
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heres a japanese scientist giving the chinese the enenews job!! wierd confusing world we live in!!
Chinese Nuclear Tests Allegedly Caused 750,000 DeathsEpoch Times Staff Created: Mar 31, 2009 Last Updated: Mar 31, 2009
“On March 18, Japanese professor Takada Jun revealed at a nuclear forum that the Chinese regime carried out 46 surface nuclear tests from 1964 to 1996, causing 750,000 civilian deaths in surrounding areas.
At the “Chinese Nuclear Test Disasters on the Silk Road and the Japanese Role” symposium, sponsored by the Japanese Uyghur Association, Dr. Takada Jun, a professor at the Sapporo Medical University and a representative of the Japanese Radiation Protection Information Center, revealed the disastrous problems of China’s nuclear tests. Dr. Takada said that the Chinese regime has never allowed any form of independent or outside environmental evaluation, analysis, or study of adverse affects on human health possibly cause by the tests.
Dr. Takada said that the 46 nuclear tests were carried out at the Lop Nur site in northwestern XinJiang Province, home of the Uyghur people. The tests had a cumulative yield of over 200 megatons. Though the area of the tests is sparsely populated, many cities on the ancient Silk Road trade route are downwind from Lop Nor and have been exposed to much nuclear fallout from the variety of tests conducted. Prior to 1981, the fallout from surface tests was a major contributor to an increase in the incidences of cancer and birth defects.
The professor also said that the largest surface detonation was a 4 megaton thermonuclear bomb, which was 10 times more powerful than the former Soviet Union’s large-scale tests. The fallout from the test allegedly caused an estimated 190,000 deaths and 1,290,000 suffered from radiation poisoning within an area 136 times the size of Tokyo. According to an inside source, 750,000 people allegedly died as a result.”
more here
http://www.theepochtimes...
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Forgotten Victims: The Story of Utah’s Downwinders
radio programme with slide show
http://www.hum.utah.edu/docstudies/?pageId=4530
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