Swiss Think-Tank: Dire situation for global environment if No. 4 fuel pool releases all radioactive material — Gov’t appears to be keeping information classified

Published: July 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm ET
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Collapse of spent fuel storage pool at Fukushima Daiichi could be worse than initial accident, says new report – Bellona

A collapse of the already tilting reactor No 4 building at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi plant [...] would lead to a “significant global impact”

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According to the report [released by Holpchi CH, a Swiss-based industrial analytics think-tank], radiological fires would lead to some 30 to 100 percent of the cesium and strontium being released from the pool.

“If a radiological fire occurs and further cooling is impossible, more than 10 percent of the radioactive material of the [spent fuel pond] cold be released,” read the report. “Release of 100 percent of the cesium, strontium and other isotopes would scale the base case results by a factor of 10 and would clearly present a dire situation for areas of Japan, marine life in the Pacific and the global environment.”

The report acknowledges that it is not fully comprehensive, saying that many modeling structures about what could happen should the spent fuel pool fail “have been developed by government, but appear to be classified.”

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Published: July 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm ET
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83 comments to Swiss Think-Tank: Dire situation for global environment if No. 4 fuel pool releases all radioactive material — Gov’t appears to be keeping information classified

  • GeoHarvey

    This is an industry that never should have been allowed to begin with.


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  • jackassrig

    The Red Dragon did away with the tilt.


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  • flatsville

    A rather sober, straight-forward assessment minus any hint of histrionics…and it will likely be ignored nonetheless.


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    • flatsville

      And while a measured soft-sell has it's benefits, a follow-up assessment with a spectrum of best case to worst case scenarios might be in order in the next month once they have a few people's attention.

      And hey Swiss guys, when you discuss fuel rod assemblies, you need to make the reader aware that these are in arrays of upwards of 64 or so rods in each. The impact on reader might be more profound if you do the multiplication for them

      And consider the use of an infographic so the scale of the problem is not lost on those who can't do math. Empty out all those fuel pools and stack the arrays up in a column to get the point across.


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      • sadtexan

        Excellent suggestions. It is important to disseminate Fukushima information in a format that laypeople will understand, even if skimming. Whether by graphics, writing for a 9th grade reading level, combination of both, whatever it takes.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    3/11 already wrecked the environment. And is wrecking it more, day by day, continuous, as we speak.


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  • captndano captndano

    After nearly 16 months, maybe it's about time to stop all the thinking and start the necessary doing.


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  • It certainly would be dire if the #4 spent fuel pool released all its radioactive material.

    However, it would be even more dire if the common spent fuel pool, which contains more than 4 times the radioactivity of #4, including MOX spent fuel, released its radioactive material.

    But this is what is happening now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2OdeKbYCns&feature=youtu.be


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    sobering assessment. It should be obvious as to why worst-case modeling "…appear to be classified.” Fukushima is an unparalleled public relations disaster, for the nuclear technologies industry. And as they've long treated the public as little children (keeping us all in the dark), why would they change such policy now, when they're in their darkest hour?

    One thing that can be deduced by their silence: it's far worse than any of us would-want to imagine. If there was a glimmer of hope, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. You couldn't write a better end-of-world scenario that what we're witnessing…


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      "…glimmer of hope…"

      Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. – Dante


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Agreed …especially in the US with an election…imagine the President riding in to save the world…if there was a possibility… that is exactly what we would see.

      Every time I see a report on R4, I am looking over my shoulder trying to catch a glimpse of what they are Not telling us about & distracting us from. We know there are 14 Reactors in Japan in extreme condition & damage has already occurred in R4, explosions & fires & buckled walls. …so Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.


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  • gottagetoffthegrid

    the report said: "Release of 100 percent of the cesium, strontium and other isotopes would scale the base case results by a factor of 10."

    I have to disagree with this assumed linear correlation of quantity of poison released to impact estimated. this would be the typical model for molecular poisons that are consumed and metabolised such as alcohol, etc. these radiological poisons will be recycled through multiple generations until they disappear due to decay. Cs 137 will be around for 300 or so years or about 8 generations of humans. this implies some sort of exponential correlation.

    "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." — Albert Bartlett

    worth watching:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Exponential function here, applies to bio-accumulation. The radiation is going to get denser and denser in all of us, in every living thing. (If density is a function of exponential accumulation. Don't want to upset any mathematicians/think tank 'specialists')

      Well said, ggotg. Any 'official' report is going to be well behind where we really are.


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    • dharmasyd

      ggotg. The exponential and the bio-accumulation must both be taken into account. I can't watch the YouTube vid just now. I'm too busy watching the beautiful rising full moon, and wondering how many more of these we will get to see.


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      • richard richard

        hi dharmasyd – i watched the full moon on my walk to the harbour and back last night. It was so bright and white. In fact, some people had a telescope down on the foreshore, taking a closer look at the moon.

        Sydney Harbour just shines on nights like that, what a picture.

        We'll see many more, this is far from over yet.


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  • weeman

    A global catastrophe requires a global response if we are to mitigate this radiological nightmare, no one knows how to stop reaction, but Japan is resistant to help in case they loose control of decisions, we must find a equilibrium some how, we offer you new land to replace lost land.?


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  • Horseman of the Apocalypse Horseman of the Apocalypse

    Yoichi Shimatsu, freelance journalist stationed in Japan, believes that Unit #4 has already collapsed. See:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3XbpEx7SQ


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    They are all going to collapse. The radiation is destroying the integrity of the steel and concrete structures. Mix this with the constant earthquakes and you have a recipe for complete disaster.

    A better question, brought up in an earlier post, is who is going to maintain all the other plants when Japan is no longer habitable? You can't just turn off the lights and leave. They'll all melt.


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  • norbu norbu

    Like ice cream in death valley!


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  • jackassrig

    I think it collapsed and TEPCO was trying to use the rubble of the walls to cover up the poop. The Red Dragon is so heavy that it could pack the rubble tight. The tracks would grind the floors into a powder. The Dragon keep moving all around without any regard to structural integrity.


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  • This "Swiss Think Tank" is the same consulting agency we discussed in a previous thread.

    http://enenews.com/special-report-plutonium-levels-suggest-fuel-rods-shattered-during-hydrogen-explosions

    It has some interesting information in it if you know nothing about the disaster, but its numbers on radiation for the rest of the plant – outside of 4 — are totally bogus.

    Page 6 is where it states that Fukushima had "very low plutonium releases (possibly 100,000 times less than Chernoby. . .)

    So, I say this report is just a propaganda piece in the form of "limited hangout"

    The report simply re-states what every one knows about unit 4 because of publicity;

    but, it also smuggles in absurd statements, such as the one above, about plutonium releases.

    The report operates on the assumption that there have NOT been ongoing massive releases from units 1-4.

    It never discusses spent fuel pool 3 or reactor 3.

    I think it is another "plant,"

    just like the mice study in Environmental Health Perspectives on gamma radiation 400X background.

    That study was used to argue that the evacuation zone mandate around nuclear plants is excessive and needs to be reduced.

    This Holophi report is a plant to inoculate us to thinking that our soon to be evident illnesses were caused by Fukushima.

    No consulting company or government is going to tell the truth about Fukushima.

    We have to figure it out for ourselves.


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      • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

        +++ Enenewesers…Look over your shoulder, pay attention to the changing laws, & reduction of regulations & trade agreements taking place right now, no matter where in the world you live. The Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) ..(The Toilet Paper Pact) is but one avenue these changes are taking place.

        These changes will also affect how Nuclear power is handled & what will occur if we try to tighten or increase regulations against any industry.

        Yes I am on topic. …This is a diversion …while under our noses laws that protect us are being used as Toilet Paper & flushed in order to ensure that *They can sue our government if we tighten regulations or change laws to protect the planet or life on it.


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    • Majia, thanks for drilling down on that

      Swiss go onto the suspect list now


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  • pnacistreason

    I can understand wanting to exploit nuclear power and gambling on building and operating nuclear power plants. What I can neither understand nor excuse, is the storage of a world-threatening amount of radiopoison (spent fuel) in one physical spot, i.e., in one small area in one building. Why would someone do that?

    Natural disasters notwithstanding, what's to stop some group, for example, from attacking the building and demanding money from the whole world, lest they disable the cooling system?

    And why isn't the whole world intervening in this crisis? Under international law, a country may legally use force if an attack against it is imminent. Why is the "U.S. government" not using the resources at its disposal to intervene at Fukushima? Instead, the "U.S. government" is trying to start WW3 in the Mideast.

    What the hell is wrong with our psychopathic rulers? Fukushima is potentially one earthquake away from ending life as we know it on this planet, and they want to attack Iran, ostensibly because it might someday decide to make some nukes?


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    • CB CB

      I think it's more iceing on the cake myself.


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    • 6feetunder 6feetunder

      The attack on Iran and the Fukushima Stuxnet attack are both instigated at the same source. This is obvious if you would look into it. I had to be shown this info and still did not believe for a few years.


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      • CB CB

        It hasn't been a few years yet.


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        • 6feetunder 6feetunder

          Hi CB the source of Stuxnet and Warmongering with Iran have been doing these types of activities for many decades. If I have to explain you would not understand.


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          • truthseek truthseek

            Exactly CORRECT, many are in denial of the stuxnet source, because this truth is TOO unfathomable. "They" are trying to numb out society to the prospect of wars they create and have waged for many, many years now to polarize the world to believe in their cause, to fight their wars to help save them from their enemy.

            STUXNET IS IN FACT THE SOURCE. Those that do no believe it need to do more study…
            Fukushima was an act of war, waged from a concealed source.


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            • Time Is Short Time Is Short

              Obama is taking credit for the Stuxnet attack on Iran. Does this mean we are responsible for the destruction of Fukushima, knowing it will all blow across the US, killing off the 'greatest' country in the world?

              I don't doubt anything these days, but the US committing national suicide, not to mention the end of the global biosphere? I don't see where that helps keep our Rulers in power. They, and their bloodlines, are as affected as we are.

              Unless aliens gave them radiation cure pills and are going to move them off-planet.

              There aren't a lot of options on how this happened, folks. And only one outcome.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              @truthseek: not entirely sure why this 'theory' is being pushed on this and on many other sites. Regardless what part STUXNET may have played in impeding control of the Fukushima plants, it was not the initiating cause for their damage.

              Those who've been following what's going on at Fukushima, know (from actual plant technician accounts) that a earthquake off the coast of Japan generated shock-waves which caused the initial damage to the plants. Sometime later, these same plants were inundated with tsunami water and ultimately went into total operational-failure.

              Regardless whether STUXNET was present within the process controller run-time routines, it was – not – the cause of these power plant failures.

              That this 'theory' has not been substantiated and is also being perpetrated by 'unknowns', indicates two possible agendas: implicate 'certain' countries as being the cause of this catastrophe. This would be an obvious political objective that attempts to capitalize off of this tragedy. The second possibility would be to perpetrate the idea, that as long as a nuclear power plant is protected from corrupted software, such technology is safe. Such efforts are invidious and deceptive…


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              • truthseek truthseek

                Actually I am additionally referring to the "cameras" that we're installed by MAGNA (sp? the Israeli company) which look suspiciously like mini nukes and the word of (Japans) support of certain non Israeli interests. A multi pronged attack was waged in this case. This IS (very likely, most probably) a political event as much as (remotely) a natural disaster.


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  @truthseek: that this catastrophe has been so-badly handled makes it political. And I'm neither a fan or apologist for the 'holy ones'. Should we want change for the better, then we must be clear on why things are bad. If the holy ones were responsible for the MOX fuel being moved to these vulnerable locations, then they are culpable. But claiming STUXNET was the cause for these failures is misleading and only sidetracks the discussion.

                  As to the mini-cam-nukes? Unless you can substantiate such claims, why stop there? I personally think Raelians did it. There's been an ongoing internecine battle between Aum Shinrikyo and the Raelians for control of the planet. I'm still trying to figure out who's winning…


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    • johnnyo

      Good points PiT, the monster must be disassembled, post haste


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    • Yep fanned and faved, LOL
      I think it is close to insanity.


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  • Horseman of the Apocalypse Horseman of the Apocalypse

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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

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  • papacares papacares

    to any rational person it is clearly evident far too much is happening to just dismiss what is occurring in Japan – instead of getting better everyday brings new surprises and more lies from the authorities trying to hide the fact things are looking very bad and ignoring the ultimate end scenario – if Japan does have to be evacuated in large part due to the destruction of Fuku 1 reactors 1-2-3-4 who or how are technicians going to maintain the other 40 plus reactors on the island – this is the stupidity of the Japanese government's determination to restart any of the reactors – it takes considerable time and power to shut down then keep in cold shutdown a nuke reactor – the Fuku 1 station is crumbling the whole complex is slowly falling apart – if the Japanese government were acting responsibly they would be shutting down all reactors and encasing the spent fuel rods rather than pretending there is nothing wrong and in absolute stupidity trying to give the illusion of conducting business as usual – Japan as an industrial nation is destroyed – the people of Japan understand this and are trying their best to save what little is left of their Great Nation – if they and we along with them are not successful in our efforts to divert their irresponsible government leaders from the insane path they stubbornly insist on pursuing then they will not only destroy all of Japan but everything on the planet – right now we are all fighting for our lives not just Japan


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    I agree with you papacares..luv your nick too. :)

    But the Japanese government & the Nuke cartel do not have plan B….they are not *alone in their decision. Behind or rather above them stands the entire Nuke industry…& the Military Industrial complex & the mafia's & governmetns ect. ect. And the Trillions of dollars to be made, in running of…the use of nuke wastes to irradiate food, creating weapons of mass destruction & cancer treatments which of course are exploding to 1 in 2 …

    And gee the bottom line, the population is aging & we will die off faster now….so the rush is on to make as much as they as can as fast as they can.

    …& money to be spent if they have to shut them down..& by shutting them down they acknowledge to the world that Nukes world wide can be destroyed by an earthquake & the dangers of radiation & that they truly cannot control them.

    All of which we know but that they must deny. Now they are just going to get as much money out of us & the system as they can.

    Even as the watch everyone dieing of cancer..they will be able to send their loved ones for the best care that money can buy.


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  • pnacistreason

    This whole Fukushima disaster thing has a surrealistic, almost supernatural quality about it, doesn't it? For one thing, our Masters seem so indifferent to the potential consequences, you'd think they were somehow immune to radiation, wouldn't you?

    I realize that we're ruled by breathtakingly evil people, but don't even evil people have some kind of instinct for self-preservation? I wonder, what vegetables do they plan to eat, what air do they plan to breathe…when the rest of us are being slowly radiologically poisoned?

    Then again, these are the same "people" who, as I type this, are surrounding Russia and China with bases and hostile puppet governments, interfering with their affairs, and building a destabilizing anti-missile system whose only purpose seems to be to mop up after a first-strike…these are "people" who, by their actions, seem to have some kind of a perverse death wish. So I suppose we shouldn't expect any kind of reasonable response to the ongoing Fukushima disaster.


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    • That's a bit harsh if this was my link to the Constitution of the United States, which if it was being enforced would not allow this tragedy to continue in the manner it is.

      Yes its a "personal blog" and there is no profit motive, so whats up?

      I do think the Constitution deserves to be posted 100 times, not just twice.

      I'll be fine to stop posting altogether if freedom of speaking of the Constitution is no longer allowed.


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Soon it won't be, stock. Soon.

        People flying US flags, and believing in 'liberty', are now terrorists, according to the DHS.

        How soon before people talking about Fukushima, and its' affects on the US are deemed 'terrorists'?

        PS. Hope you didn't lose too much on the Liebor fixing.


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        • Indeed, those who are against "cheap energy" must be trying to destroy the productivity of the country. What a joke though…never been a more expensive form of energy than nuke.

          I am sure Liebor resulted in plenty of misallocation of capital, so it is hard to see a direct effect on me, but EVERY mis-allocation of capital results in overall harm to those not participating in the crime.


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  • papacares papacares

    As according to the Georgia Stones posted by the Elite
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inscriptions
    their directive is to reduce the world population to
    500,000,000 – for some reason they believe they can accomplish this feat and survive themselves – it is my conviction they have gravely underestimated the destructive nature of radiation and allowed acceptance of a false belief it will not harm them – trying to imagine living a life in constant threat of being exposed to nuke particles is not living, there will be no place to escape to – as the doctor once told the patient, we found the cure for your disease, however the cure will kill you – most government officials actually want what is best for the people once they are educated, and national pride is a strong force to any nations leaders – money is such a man made item it is almost irrelevant as it has no value under certain conditions, example: 1930's Germany or in the U.S. Confederate currency at the end of the Civil War – we lose sight of the objective when we tend to make broad statements about politicians, greedy bankers and one worlders – they only have the power we give them through fear, our failure to confront them or our lack of concern as to our effectiveness – for now our task is to get everyone involved within the enenews forum to stand with the people of Japan in their effort to stop the insanity – there are 5,430 people who have signed on most certainly some of them are high ranking…


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      The people that put up the Guidestones missed the reduction estimate by, oh, I don't know, 9 BILLION PEOPLE, INCLUDING THEMSELVES.

      For all their centuries of planning, they turn out to be total dumbshits. Rich dumbshits, but dumbshits all the same. This I find funny. F%$k 'em.


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  • papacares papacares

    sorry but looks like my words above exceeded the limit – did not save the content so gone forever – thus the above does not make a lot of sense but is late and tired so apologize to you – thanks @ maid for the kind words – sad about the post above being distorted


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  • desara3

    I have had this paranoid delusion about #4. That demolition was or seemed very wreckless. The men operating the equipment were running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

    I think there will be no dry cask, ever. $$$$$$$$$$ Throw it in the ocean. Little by little. Saltwater corodes. Gets rid of the evidence. Why not BULLDOZE IT into the ocean. No traces.

    We have not seen #4 SPF and do not know what they have done. If you want to be honest , that would be the simple solution.

    By cloak of night, or by fudged footage. We all know there is something amiss.


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    • many moons

      I have thought for some time that the Pacific Ocean is the long term storage for high level radioactive waste….it is safe there…it terms of catching fire, criticality….it makes sense to put it there.
      But making the ocean radioactive will have dire consequences down the line…but that's the nuclear industries way of operating, sweep it under the carpet…(dump it in the ocean) no lawsuits, no way of proving damage, moving right a long with the pollution.
      I think that's what the cranes are there for…lift the rods out of the reactors put them in the ocean….


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      • desara3

        I learned a long time ago , that was how they disposed of barrels and barrels of nuclear waste. In our oceans.!

        Whatever has already been dumped 40 years ago, I am guessing is also seeping into the ocean from decay. And the weapons testing and such. How in the hell could there be an allowable limit for Plutonium in our diet, otherwise? It is produced by nuclear fission , but its ok to eat it. No worries. It is below an acceptable limit so it poses no danger. MY ASS!

        Also the previous article on ENENEWS had the test for fish in 2001 that was showing radiation. And it was only published recently??? WHAT!!!!

        WOW, Have We Ever Been Lied To. Just how far down the rabbit hole does this go "Quote" (The Matrix or Alice in Wonderland)


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        • Ron

          Heard of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

          I suspect that nations around the world are routinely dumping all kinds of waste in the oceans, from floatable plastic to the most toxic kind. Who'd be there to see? Let the future deal with it. Problem is the future may be sooner than they think.

          Rather than civilization or technology or great ideas, will destruction and garbage be our lasting legacy?


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        • Every molecule, every atom of nuclear waste, all the contents of all spent fuel pools, all reactors, all nuclear weapons, will eventually be diffused into the environment.

          All toxic chemicals, petroleum by-products, mining wastes, etc. will also end up everywhere in the environment.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    What a scary thread, we all (well most) have known much of this for a long time… I am in shock and nearly numb by all the "rediculous things" people are writing (which I agree with) We are in serious trouble!


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  • Ron

    Seriously, they need to remove every rod from all six reactors there at Daiichi ASAP in case #4 goes down and then they find that they can't.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Unfortunately, Ron, they don't really 'need' to do anything. It's far too late to fix what is happening. All they're doing now is to make it look cosmetically 'fixed'. Once it's all dumped in the ocean and scraped clean, 'they' will announce that everything is OK.

      The die-off has already started. It will spread by continent until nothing living is left.

      Who 'attacked/destroyed' Fukushima isn't really important. Who built them incorrectly in the first place are the ones to blame, with everyone behind the coverup accomplices.

      Hug your loved ones. Tell them you love them. Help others that need it. This is what is left for us.


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      • Ron

        No, I don't buy that, there are rapacious corporate interests out there who would love for us to give up though.

        I know that doomerism is all the rage these days but we are still alive and breathing. The earth is still beautiful in most places. As long as we have breath we should not give up in our quest to save this wonderful planet from destruction, this lovely, rare blue jewel in the cold, dead eternity of space.


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        • papacares papacares

          right on Ron – we are all Japan now – also to all those above may you be reminded to the corporate world "the solution to pollution is dilution" however the corporate boards are not educated to the facts of radiation – to be effective we must be always vigilant with the facts and trust before it becomes too late they will wake up – yes this situation is dire, never give in, never give up


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      • Time is Short–

        It is not that dire. lets say we get 3 or 4 more Fukushimas…..I would think the earth will still support some life, but not a life worth living.

        With a sea change in solar, that has already occurred and many people don't even know it, eliminated nukes over say 5 years for the worst, and 20 for all, the earth would immediately begin healing itself, humans too.


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        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          I'm of the opinion that in another two generations, we'll start seeing children unable to reproduce, due to DNA mutation.

          Clearly, many women around the world will follow the Japanese model, and start having abortions rather than raise sick children. This will significantly reduce the chances of the continuation of the human race, well before the factors of mutation in the living kick in.

          You are right about the earth supporting some life, but not a life worth living.

          Another big question is how it affects the phytoplankton. Clearly everything at Fukushima, and almost certainly Daini, is being scraped and dumped into the ocean. How many other NPPs will see the bottom of the ocean? Phytoplankton is responsible for over 50% of the earth's oxygen. Will phytoplankton continue to produce oxygen after many generations of rad mutation, which for phytoplankton is a very, very short timeline?

          Either way, the US is toast.

          Every day, I wake up and pray I'm wrong. Every single day.


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          • richard richard

            TIS – "Every single day" – why do you think we do this? I'm genuinely curious. Why do the likes of you and I feel this way, while the rest of the world cares less, or not at all, or worse – are against us.

            With your restlessness you'll become known as a dissident. Did you ever think you'd have that title ?


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            • Time Is Short Time Is Short

              Too old to be a dissident. More of an opinionated ol' bastard, me thinks.


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              • richard richard

                never too old. and i mean that, really. i haven't got the links at hand, but I have posted clips of 'seniors' being arrested for their protesting. In the USA.

                there was a recent example here on ene of two, post 60s, women graffiting the inside of a courthouse. In the UK.

                There is one community in Japan that has fighting against a nuke plant contruction for over twenty years. Many of the protestors are now over 50, but they have held their ground, as dissidents.

                I do like 'opinionated ol' bastard' though ;)


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  • scintillator

    "Clearly, many women around the world will follow the Japanese model, and start having abortions rather than raise sick children."

    You can already see this across Eastern Europe following Chernobyl. Many couples in Belarus, Poland and the Ukraine go childless because of this exact possibility.

    While trying to avoid being insensitive, there are now stigmas in Europe associated with people from this region as a result of the dramatically increased odds of having unhealthy children.

    I can only imagine the same will occur for the Japanese once the truth about the extent of this disaster is more widely known and studied.

    The fear in the minds of the Japanese, both young and old, about the future of their great nation and race must be extreme.

    They are in my prayers.


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  • isogoodhumans

    When the women cant/dont want to reproduce, they will roll out test tube babies with no chromosome errors. And that will be the end of natural reproduction. Then we can eat as much toxic crap as we want-face it, we already live, drink and eat in and from our toilet. Humans will henceforth be products of companies.


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