Tecpo shows groundwater flowing from Fukushima reactors into ocean

Published: April 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm ET
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Title: Progress Status of the Groundwater Bypass Construction
Source: Tokyo Electric Power Company
Date: March 27, 2013

[...] Gradual Reduction of Groundwater

The groundwater level will be gradually reduced with the groundwater bypass put in operation. Careful water level control will be implemented to prevent the accumulated water in the buildings from leaking to the outside while monitoring the groundwater level reduction and its water quality. The sub-drains installed around the buildings will be fully utilized for the monitoring. An observation hole will be newly installed between the Reactor Building and the pump well. [...]

See also: Graphic shows 'direct discharge' going from Fukushima Daiichi reactors into Pacific -- Underground flow of contaminated water also indicated (VIDEO)

Published: April 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm ET
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48 comments to Tecpo shows groundwater flowing from Fukushima reactors into ocean

  • razzz razzz

    What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

    Groundwater seems to be cooling and shielding (3) melted, runaway, uncontainable, missing cores. What happens when you cut down on the water flow that is cooling them? Will the radioactive contamination water collect and concentrate itself more? Does TEPCO and the Japanese government have any idea what they are doing?


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    • PhilipUpNorth

      Corium1,2,&3 are well below the level of these wells. A year ago, I would have shared your thinking on this topic, razzz. In fact, I shared my opinion that this project seemed to have been delayed because TEPCO thought lowering the water table would excite the corium. But I am now persuaded that the corium is now many kilometers underground, and won't be affected by any dumb thing TEPCO does from here on out.


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      • Boelie

        all i can say is this…. http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif

        The coriums are heating up the ground which makes the bright spot on the map. i am supprised that there is STILL no reference of this map altough different versions have been posted here… the spot keepps growing and growing


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      • fuganzi

        1. How do we know? What evidence do we have that the corium is not still cooling in the basement of the reactor buildings? (like chernobyl).

        2. There are a couple of theorized scenarios about core meltdowns; (since we've never seen one before, we don't really know how these happen – but we'd expect to see the following:)
        2a. A lot of outgassing as groundwater and other materials are vaporized from the heat of the cores. This would include the generation of hydrogen gas by hydrolysis (including resulting ongoing explosions). Where would all that stuff be going? We're not seeing it.

        2b. Bedrock criticality – since the bedrock is fairly near the surface here, we'd expect the corium, burrowing downward, to encounter the solid rock, and this rock to act as a neutron reflector, and cause some kind of criticality event – possibly, a large explosion. We have not seen such an event. This was expected within a couple of months – didn't happen.

        2c. At some point – if the cores are much further down – miles? they will encounter pockets of trapped liquids and gasses that are under tremendous pressure. These will definitely issue up through the "bore hole". (google: indonesian mud-volcano; another horrible unstoppable artificial disaster). Even further down, of course, the cores will encounter molten rock material, and we'll have an artificial volcano. We may not expect to see this for years, but we've seen absolutely no sign of any of this happening.

        TEPCO…


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        • snowwy snowwy

          fuganzi,

          I would guess that the corium does something similar to what happened in Chernobyl. There it got dramatically subdued due to mixing itself with other materials, which made it less active in terms of melting towards the centre of the earth but not much less radioactive. My guess would be that tepco hopes for something similar to happen, which would buy them time to do other things like creating lies about cold shut downs and tarpaulins that will keep Japan safe. I do not doubt that tepco has actually great engineers among their staff who actually know a lot about the whole thing… I have doubts though that any of them are either willing or allowed to react responsibly or even, tell the truth and the unmasked reality of the whole situation.


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  • norbu norbu

    razz, "Does TEPCO and the Japanese government have any idea what they are doing"? NO
    N


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    • weeman

      Who knows it is a big experiment, you are dammed if you don't and damned if you do, a yin and yan thing, yes you have to stop the radioactive water escaping, but not at the cost of water as a moderator?


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    A nuclear scientist (somewhere) needs to wake up and figure a way to cool the corium …devise a liquid to inject and stop the heat.

    It can be done …just needs to be ordered, demanded, and implemented.


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    • We Not They Finally

      You mean, "the job that WATER used to have"? That sounds pretty daunting. Also, I've read that if excessive STEAM is created down below, it could explode upwards. Even Arnie Gundersen seems to think that even if "escape channels" are created somehow, it would still need to be monitored for at least 300 years….


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    • bwoodfield bwoodfield

      You've taken the uranium from the ground,refined it, enriched it, caused it to react and generate into plutonium, then mixed in more enriched uranium to make MOX fuel and cranked it up again. The only way you can stop this stuff is by letting it burn out or diluting it. If you had it contained you could mix it in with silica to generate a glass, then mix that in with molten stone. It should be diluted and contained enough from there. It would be still radioactive and dangerous but it wouldn't be generating nuclear reactions anymore.

      If you look at Chernobyl, they dumped tones of sand into the reactor to stop the fires. The sand mixed with the molten fuel encasing it and creating the glass structures that they see in the basement of the reactor today. The problem is the glass structures are quickly degenerating from the radiation and exposing the fissile material. Mixing that with molten stone, something that can withstand the constant radiation, would probably be the best solution to containing the corium.


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  • nedlifromvermont

    Groundwater hydraulics including flow directions and geologic discontinuities were extensively studied by Entergy after their disastrous p.r. experience with "lying" about "underground" or "buried" "pipes" which leaked radioactive tritium (yawn) into the Connecticut River at Vermont Yankee …. perhaps Entergy top management would be happy to consult with the TEPCo brass all about piezometric pressures … that is … unless Entergy Nuclear brass has something else on their plate right now … like an automatic scram forced on a 955MW reactor running full tilt boogie on Easter Sunday … oh shit!!! … these things really do go kerpluey …

    oh well … peace folks …


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    • ion jean ion jean

      I still prefer VY to dilute their tritium in the CT River than create the airborne tritium oxide that ends up in our lungs…but it matters not Entergy is good at doing both…now AK plant is cooling on diesel?!?

      That's last line of emergency backup! Jet Stream is curling counterclockwise over New England from AK way…

      Peace and blessings to all in the Grey Havens


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  • soern

    nobody knows where that 3 coriums are and so no sleeping nuclear scientist will awake and know immediately, where they are and how to cool them. So i don't expect this lonely guy to stand up just because it might be "ordered,demanded and to be implemented".
    Tepco should reduce the risks of their spent fuel pools (#4!)
    The Coriums are gone far under groundwater level already i suppose and they might find their way to mix up with magma some day.
    Has Tepco enough employees to do above mentioned draing project at all??
    I think NO.
    It's just a new PR Gag to calm down folks.


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  • No More Fish by 2048
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201261462834779767.html
    [Note: Dahr Jamail was one of the very few accurate on-the-ground non-embedded reporters during the Iraq War]

    How many more fish in the sea?
    Seafood is the primary source of protein for more than one billion people – can they live without it?
    Dahr Jamail Last Modified: 21 Jun 2012 12:02

    "Three years later the same scientists, along with colleagues from across the world, published an even more startling paper that predicted a total collapse of all fish that are currently caught commercially by 2048. "


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    • okcrad

      What fish? I haven't ate fish in 2 years.

      Hell i am scared to eat anything anymore. Now with this Arkansas issue my own garden might be next.


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      • PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha) anne

        I haven't eaten fish since 1989 when I received my cancer scare.


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      • We Not They Finally

        It's rational to have abundant caution about food. But dairy generally concentrates bad stuff like strontium-90, and seafood from the West Coast has become VERY dangerous. So some foods still need to be avoided more than others. And there are still things everyone can do. High doses of vitamin C give at least some protection against ionizing radiation. And natural mineral supplements are really good since the radionuclides (at least many key ones) REPLACE minerals in the body: strontium for calcium, uranium for magnesium, cesium for potassium to name a few key ones. We were lucky to have pre-Fukushima spirulina in the house (high in mineral content) and other powdered green foods. By now, of course, it's dicey to buy that stuff fresh.


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    • We Not They Finally

      A very good link, just a little too sobering that Al Jazeera gives us news that the American media doesn't. But cross-referencing that to the article on the dying sea lions, it's not just the sea lions dying, it's the sardines and anchovies they feed on. It all leads back to a larger situation of ocean as food supply.


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  • soern

    thanks Aftershock :-)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Sure…and during recriticalities..emissions can be seen rising at shore line.

    2 min. in..

    3/29 2013….Nuckelchen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Z8chjvdTY


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  • Sol Man

    When young and first learning about the absolute grandness of the Pacific Ocean with its unfathomable amount of everything contained within its limitless volume, it was impossible to conceive of the days in time where we would have to witness its undoing on all levels; because of some industry's ill-thought and avoidable experiments. Sad days, indeed.


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    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      And don't forget to thank the lobbying agents amongst us tru outh hystory for making sure you didden't protest to much because you didden't know the truth of their motives and lack of safetyconcerns for you/us . Intentional and dedicated tricking you in to your doom , because it benefits them , or so they think . The creme de la creme of psychopathy.


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  • We Not They Finally

    I'm not an engineer. But if contaminated groundwater is flowing OUT to the ocean, is it not also flowing INLAND? How can anyone safely use the local water? (Just asking…)


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  • http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-02/hollandes-new-75-wealth-tax-catches-french-soccer-pros-offside

    Check above link France now taxing the "rich" and soccer players at 75%.

    shows how "wealthy" the whole country has become running all those nukes….yeah right.

    stock, out.


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  • CB CB

    You know ships and subs use this water for eating and drinking and potable water.


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    • Pattie

      RE: the video you link

      Is the explosion a transformer going because of the reactor melting down behind the mountain?


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      • That one… first presented as not what was.. that's not electrical.. but geological.. coming out the ground. But that's a volcano in behind it. That's way down south tip Japan.. not where presenter first lay claim.. I tracked it down.. but wasn't a transformer. I got look-about that area.. beggers explaining what in ground could cause THAT.. yet, had one just like it in TBS cam spring up for almost same duration beside #4 reactor the other night… so..?


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