Independent: The explosive truth behind Fukushima’s meltdown — New evidence suggests reactors doomed to fail

Published: August 17th, 2011 at 12:59 am ET
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The explosive truth behind Fukushima’s meltdown, Independent by David McNeill and Jake Adelstein, August 17, 2011:

Japan insists its nuclear crisis was caused by an unforeseeable combination of tsunami and earthquake. But new evidence suggests its reactors were doomed to fail

[...] The Independent has spoken to several workers at the plant who recite the same story: serious damage, to piping and at least one of the reactors, occurred before the tsunami hit. All have requested anonymity because they are still working at or connected with the stricken plant. [...]

Worker B, a technician in his late 30s who was also on site at the time of the earthquake, recalls: “It felt like the earthquake hit in two waves, the first impact was so intense you could see the building shaking, the pipes buckling, and within minutes I saw pipes bursting. Some fell off the wall…

“Someone yelled that we all needed to evacuate. But I was severely alarmed because as I was leaving I was told and I could see that several pipes had cracked open, including what I believe were cold water supply pipes. That would mean that coolant couldn’t get to the reactor core. If you can’t sufficiently get the coolant to the core, it melts down. You don’t have to have to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.” As he was heading to his car, he could see that the walls of the reactor one building had started to collapse. “There were holes in them. In the first few minutes, no one was thinking about a tsunami. We were thinking about survival.”

The suspicion that the earthquake caused severe damage to the reactors is strengthened by reports that radiation leaked from the plant minutes later. The Bloomberg news agency has reported that a radiation alarm went off about a mile from the plant at 3.29pm, before the tsunami hit.

Why it matters

  • The reason for official reluctance to admit that the earthquake did direct structural damage to reactor one is obvious. Katsunobu Onda, author of Tepco: The Dark Empire, explains it this way: A government or industry admission “raises suspicions about the safety of every reactor they run. They are using a number of antiquated reactors that have the same systematic problems, the same wear and tear on the piping.”Earthquakes, of course, are commonplace in Japan.
  • “This means that assurances from the industry in Japan and overseas that the reactors were robust is now blown apart,” said Shaun Burnie, an independent nuclear waste consultant who works with Greenpeace. “It raises fundamental questions on all reactors in high seismic risk areas.”

Read the Independent’s report here.

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80 comments to Independent: The explosive truth behind Fukushima’s meltdown — New evidence suggests reactors doomed to fail

  • Ya tis true. Info gathered here @Nuclear News Now
    http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html

    Hats off to ENE….hurrah!


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  • manontherun111

    Wow this is huge… shut them all down NOW!


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  • maaa

    1/5 Fukushima Global Genocide Plan Explained by Leuren Moret . Australia radioactive wasteland.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXsUTIJtMLs

    Interview with Area51 worker. “infiltrated military” “Aliens want major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left are left are more easily controlled”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdGoN_fwI64&feature=related


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  • Novamind

    These reactors were already on the way to be scrapped! Pipes get thin with age and corrosion, they were never intended to use MOX Fuel!


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    • Who would they get to work on or replace pipes/valves in a 30/40 year old reactor plant, knowing that the pipes are highly radioactive and will spend hours if not days removing pipes/valves possibly standing/sitting in radioactive concrete wells or areas to undo/remove/replace in these active areas of radiation ??
      Insurance risk ?? Liabilities to ???
      Could be the reason that parts are not routinely changed or alowed to leak ???


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    “Oh what a tangled web we weave,
    When first we practice to deceive…”
    Sir Walter Scott


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  • arclight arclight

    ok tell me anonymous has hacked the telegraph!or was it lultz ??

    not exactly front page on the independant…asia section!

    cant see the telegraph connection? @admin


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    “Oh! what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practise to deceive!”

    Sir Walter Scott


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  • arclight arclight

    lol that was really funny! i was just logged off looked at the advert for the first time in a week or so and….
    dating agency for policewomen! the picture was of a very sexy policewomen!
    question ? should i join it or not! har har
    @admin someone is having a bit of a laugh around here….least they have a sense of humour! probaly appreciate real journalism! lol!


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    • arclight arclight

      while im at it off topic but quick

      “Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, today came under attack from a new and unexpected quarter when a police trade union objected to the reported use of policewomen’s outfits for striptease shows at his home.

      According to prosecution documents delivered to parliament, so-called “bunga bunga” sessions at Berlusconi’s villa near Milan involved female guests putting on – and then gradually taking off – skimpy nurses’ outfits and police uniforms.

      Berlusconi, who denies any wrongdoing, said yesterday he had no intention of resigning because of the latest disclosures, adding: “I’m enjoying myself.”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/19/silvio-berlusconi-policewomens-outfits


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  • Jebus Jebus

    This is the golden ring on the merry go round that we have been reaching for…

    The US plants are not safe from damages caused by unforseen ground movement.

    Ground acceleration…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_ground_acceleration

    Okay, now an opinion…

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/03/americas-nuclear-industry-how.html

    The NRC”s take publicaly…

    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/fs-seismic-issues.html

    http://www.firedirect.net/index.php/2011/06/nrc-responds-to-citizenletter-messages/

    The partial truth…

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42103936/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/what-are-odds-us-nuke-plants-ranked-quake-risk/

    The truth…

    From: Quails, Phil
    Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 2:31 PM
    To: McCann, Edward
    Subject: RE: japan
    Probably beyond DBE. How do you design for a 8.9? However, even if DBE was 9, there is a likelihood some
    multitude of things failed. Offsite power is gone for the forseeable future as the grid is down. I think the weak
    link is the “median fragility of ceramic insulators in the electrical grid” NUREG CR 4910 (I have a copy from the
    old days from somewhere).
    With an 8.9, if a pipe support or snubber fails, pipe whip would probably cause a LOCA. EDGs must function.
    With 8.9 they may not for a whole lot of reasons. I have a hard time believing we are transporting water in to a
    facility on the coast. I hope the news article is wrong. I saw the story on MSNBC website and I know how
    accurate their US political reporting of our beloved President is.

    From: Kammerer, Annie aZ1•
    Sent: Tuesday, March 15,2011 11:04 AM
    To: Ake, Jon; Munson, Clifford
    Cc: Meighan, Sean; Nguyen, Quynh
    Subject: RE: Earthquake
    Jon/Cliff: another request, but something we can do later today. Quynh and Sean preparing a response to the
    questions, “what if an 8.9 happened at one of our plants.” This is an obvious question from the public who
    doesn’t understand tectonics and one that we are going to be asked over and over.
    I’m suggesting the approach to developing the response:
    1) Explain that an 8.9 can’t happen at the plants
    2) Explain that plants are designed to ground motions and not magnitudes
    3) Figure out the distance from the plane to the plants in Japan. Try to determine rough estimates of the
    ground motions at the plants (note, we have some numbers on the shakemap, but they are too low
    based on the recording of 0.58g at onagawa) (Jon do you have a subduction model at your fingertips?)
    4) use that estimate to compare to the ground motions and to say “this ground motion is only expected
    every XX years on average at this plant. However an 8.9 can’t occur because it requires a subduction
    zone….”
    b.
    This needs to be written up so that the public can understand.
    Again, this is not the top of the list, but something to do today when we get a breather.
    Sean/Quynh: we’ll do our best.
    Annie

    Vera, Marieliz
    From:
    Sent:
    To:
    Cc:
    Subject:
    Attachments:
    Jain, Bhagwat
    Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:31 PM
    Hawkins, Kimberly; Chuang, Tze-Jer; Ma, John; Park, Sunwoo; Patel, Pravin; Tegeler, Bret;
    Thomas, Brian; Thomas, Vaughn; Valentin, Milton; Vera, Marieliz; Jeng, David; Kazi, Abdul;
    Xu, Jim; Shams, Mohamed; Chakravorty, Manas
    Bergman, Thomas
    Japan Earthquake and Fakushima plants seismic design basis
    KK-TEPCO-2009-Seismic-update.pdf
    All: FYI
    The earthquake that hit Japan last Friday resulted in the ground shift of 8 ft ; i.e., roughly the site PGA of
    2.67g. The site experienced a peak ground acceleration that was more than 2.5 times the upgraded PGA
    capacity of the Fukushima units.
    In March 2008 TEPCO upgraded its estimates of likely peak ground acceleration (PGA) for Fukushima to 0
    .61g, and other operators have adopted the same figure. In October 2008 TEPCO accepted 1.02g PGA as the
    new seismic design basis for Kashiwazaki Kariwa, following the July 2007 earthquake there. Reportedly, the
    Fukushima units were upgraded to 1.02 PGA in 2009.
    By comparison, the certified designs of new reactors in the US are based on PGA of 0.3g.
    BP

    Any questions?
    Am I missing something?
    Are the US Nuclear Power Plants safe from damage by an unforseen earthquake?


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    • arclight arclight

      outstanding jebus!!!! +100

      another chink in the nuke armour and they are coming thick and fast!
      peace bro


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    • Jebus Jebus

      A need to add to my post, new lies found…
      Same time frame as above post…

      Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:31 PM

      The earthquake that hit Japan last Friday resulted in the ground shift of 8 ft ; i.e., roughly the site PGA of
      2.67g. The site experienced a peak ground acceleration that was more than 2.5 times the upgraded PGA
      capacity of the Fukushima units.
      In March 2008 TEPCO upgraded its estimates of likely peak ground acceleration (PGA) for Fukushima to 0
      .61g, and other operators have adopted the same figure. In October 2008 TEPCO accepted 1.02g PGA as the
      new seismic design basis for Kashiwazaki Kariwa, following the July 2007 earthquake there. Reportedly, the
      Fukushima units were upgraded to 1.02 PGA in 2009.
      By comparison, the certified designs of new reactors in the US are based on PGA of 0.3g.

      Now a day later…

      Nuke Plant Chief: San Onofre Could Have Withstood the Japanese Quake

      San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station Chief Pete Dietrich assured the public Monday afternoon that the plant is designed to handle forces like the ones that compromised a Japanese plant.

      By Adam Townsend March 14, 2011

      The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station could have withstood the earthquake and tsunami that have devastated Japan, officials with Southern California Edison said today.

      Pete Dietrich, head nuclear officer at the plant, said fail-safe mechanisms in place at the facility, such as the fuel tanks being buried below ground, would prevent the failures that have occurred at the Japanese nuclear installations.

      San Onofre is built to withstand up to a 7.0 on the Richter scale, Dietrich said. Though the Japanese quake was an 8.9 to 9.0, Dietrich said the velocity with which the ground was moving at the quake’s strongest point was .35 Gs.

      The San Onofre plant, however, can withstand ground movement forces of up to .67 Gs, nearly twice the force of the Japanese quake. This, he said, is a more accurate measure for engineers to go by.

      http://ranchosantamargarita.patch.com/articles/nuke-plant-chief-san-onofre-could-have-withstood-the-japanese-quake

      Huh!

      One day later and they had the quake pinpointed from 2.67g to .35 g

      And the certified design specs went from 0.3g to .67 g

      Huh!


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Going back to the partial truth above, you must expand the text to get to the bottom of the article, and the reality is…

      What are the odds? US nuke plants ranked by quake risk

      A few words about the data (Where’s Richter?)
      The NRC’s risk estimates are not based on the usual layman’s language of the magnitude scale (the old Richter scale or its replacement, the moment magnitude scale). Magnitude shows the earthquake’s energy released. That is a measure of power.

      But a nuclear plant may be close to the epicenter of a quake, or far from it. And some types of seismic waves are more jarring than others.

      Instead, these risk estimates consider how violently the ground will shake at the nuclear plant, considered a better indication of how much damage it will cause. That shaking can be affected by the depth, distance from the epicenter, and the frequencies of waves that the quake emits. The shaking is expressed in a unit called peak ground acceleration, in terms of the acceleration caused by the Earth’s gravity. This is a measure of intensity.

      Often these two ways of measuring earthquakes are roughly in synch, but sometimes not. For example:

      The 2010 Haiti earthquake, magnitude 7.0, rated only “severe” on the intensity scale, the third rung from the top, with peak ground acceleration of 0.5 times the Earth’s gravity.
      The 2010 Chile earthquake, with a much higher magnitude of 8.8, was one step higher in terms of intensity, “violent,” with peak ground acceleration of 0.65 times gravity.
      The 2010 Christchurch or Canterbury earthquake in New Zealand, similar to Haiti at magnitude 7.1, was at the top of the intensity scale, “extreme,” with a peak ground acceleration of 1.26 times gravity.

      Besides the peak acceleration, the NRC made other estimates for each nuclear plant, based on different types of earthquakes.

      From all these estimates, the NRC calculated a worst case, which it called the “weakest link.” Msnbc.com ranked the plants by that worst case, which is the same number the NRC staff highlights in its report, and the only number it provided for the reactors in the western states.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42103936/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/what-are-odds-us-nuke-plants-ranked-quake-risk/

      Note the PGA numbers…

      And for further local US reading…

      US Earthquake Information by State

      http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/

      Note how there is no PGA data for any state…

      Huh!

      There are many other excellent links on that MSNBC page, can you find any PGA data?


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    • VanneV anne

      The ground shifted 15 ft. and lowered 2 ft into the ocean with the earthquake Mar.11. How could that not break up 40 year old pipes that were corroded, especially at the #3 reactor which were corroded by MOX fuel. Those pipes were never expected to last longer than 20 years.


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    • Novamind

      @ Rosie Exackly, Machines have a life expectancy. Be it an Automotive, or a Nuclear power plant. To continue to operate any machine in the name of Profit over Safety is abserd. This is what we are about to learn the hard way. Another abserd thought is that they know repairs and replacement of components will insure safer operation but willfully fail to due so to strech that pennie of profit until it breaks.


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  • odylan

    Switzerland’s SEISMO is recording a swarm of Japanese area earthquakes of greater strength than 4.0 – in the last 24 hours there have been at least 12 (some of them going up to 5.3).

    There may be trouble ahead.

    Obviously not a great place to build nuclear powered hot water machines anyway. On a brighter note, the world’s supplies of uranium are said to be almost exhausted.

    I think we can compare Fukushima nuclear plant technology with the thermos flask. If you drop it it breaks. If you leave it on the beach in the rain it goes rusty.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    How stupid do you have to be to not believe that a humungus earthquake will damage a building constructed forty years ago, before modern seismic construction was even designed, and built in a highly seismic area?
    I almost believe the alien theory, since otherwise our species otherwise must have developed a death wish since 1945. That, or a stupidity epidemic. Perhaps both.


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  • Hmmmmm. 40 year old nuclear power plant. Built in 71 you say? Designed for a twenty year service life you say? Not designed for MOX fuel? Who cares? We’ll use it anyways. Built in known earthquake territory? Just a management/public relations challenge! Send in the hookers and blow!
    Everything is fine until…..surprise! An earthquake! We’ll spin it as unforeseeable circumstances! Who could imagine an earthquake destroying a nuclear reactor in Japan? OMG is this really happening? Don’t worry folks, could never happen in the good old U S of A…. specially with a Black president. Everything is under control, hookers and blow being dispatched as I write, have a good night folks.


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    • manontherun111

      We are all going to need that blow to forget about the horible pain in a few years… so good on em for shipping it out :P

      On a much more sereous note, Yea earthquakes in Japan? who woulda thunk it?

      OMG once in a melenia event! my ass…


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    • cosmicwind

      Maybe there is some connection with refined sugar and stupidity. In the past humans use to be smarter. People just can’t make a connection with the future, it’s too abstract to understand. Nuclear material lasts longer than we can understand, so that’s exactly what it is about…the future. We are creating a toxic mess that will last longer than any of us can understand. WHY? For our insignificate gratification in the here and now. Our lives made easier, is nuclear energy cheaper than clean solar energy….is it really worth it?
      There is no possibility of long term waste disposal because we do not and will not have the capabilities. So dying with the toxic mess surrounding us is the future we create every day for ourselves. I don’t think there is any debate here. You don’t have to justify closing a reactor cause of it’s age, cause it’s on a fault line…..they make toxic waste and they are dangerous…that’s enough. If a horrible disease were to cause all the problems that nuclear waste does we would sit around wondering if there was anything positive about it.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    That’s a good point Mark. They are sure gonna need an awful lot of hookers and blow down in the bunkers. Think they planned for THAT?


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  • sueec

    Murdoch press is busy with other life and death issues…their own


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  • sueec

    Govt, TEPCO to train radiation experts
    The government and the operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant plan to secure more experts on radiation management by training existing employees and new recruits.

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/17_16.html


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  • sueec

    Is this good news??


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  • James2

    It would take about 5 minutes with a set of blueprints from one of these plants by any properly trained design engineer to get an opinion that these things are the furthest thing from safe.

    Most wonder whether what happened at Fukushima could happen elsewhere. I don’t wonder, I’m sure it will.

    Design assumption flaw #1 – the place you are building it will be stable longer than the lifespan of the facility – however, it requires a large source of cooling water – so it must be built on a river or near the ocean – which by natures definition are some of the least stable portions of our environment.

    Design flaw #2 – building a device with a limited lifespan and not having a plan to dispose of the waste, or a plan to rebuild/repair it periodically, or a plan to decommission it eventually.

    Design flaw #3 – designing a device that, if unattended for less than 24 hours will self destruct in a manner that not only renders itself useless, but renders miles of the surrounding area uninhabitable, and makes it so dangerous in the vicinity that it cannot be fixed.

    Design flaw #4 – putting multiple of those devices in close proximity – so that a failure of one of them will risk causing a domino failure of multiple of them, and then risk failures at other plants.

    Design flaw #5 – Using a fuel that is so expensive to handle and dispose of, that it simply is left onsite in storage in perpetuity.

    Design flaw #6 – Spending massive amounts of money building an elaborate “containment” structure to contain the nuclear fuel, and then placing a totally uncontained cache of the exact same stuff 20 feet away in the open.

    Design flaw #7 – That massive “containment” structure doesn’t work.

    Business flaw #8 – building an entire industry on the premise that you cannot be open with the public who is paying the bills.

    Need I go on and on? I could easily.


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  • sueec

    SUPPORT CRMS !

    Fukushima opening of Citizen’s Radioactivity Measuring Station (laboratory measurement of radioactivity).

    Since March 11, 2011, people have been living with increased levels of radiation released from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant in their daily lives.
    Independent monitoring has shown that the release of radiation is different than government projections.  Internationally, there is no consensus about safe evacuation distances.
    It is necessary for everyone to make an effort to minimize exposure to harmful levels of radiation.

    To help us provide you with results of advanced laboratory testing of radiation, we request your financial support.

    http://en.crms-jpn.com/index.html


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  • sueec

    The people have had enough of the lies!


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      REally norbu? Just now??


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    • VanneV anne

      Earthquake,Aug 17
      Magnitude6.2 Date-Time
      • Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 11:44:07 UTC
      • Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 09:44:07 PM at epicenter
      Location36.776°N, 143.773°E Depth10 km (6.2 miles) (poorly constrained) RegionOFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN Location Uncertaintyhorizontal +/- 27.4 km (17.0 miles); depth +/- 12.8 km (8.0 miles)

      This earthquake is 157.5 mi (253.4 km) from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    One of OUR Favorite posters at HP is currently posting A WRITTEN REPORT on the NHK SPECIAL (videos) aired on June 15th
    INCREDIBLE READING when you got the time.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/outnow/nuclear-regulatory-commission_n_923098_103259970.html

    VIDEOS ARE HERE
    http://www.nippon-sekai.com/main/articles/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-crisis/nhk-special-japans-nuclear-crisis-part-1/


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  • norbu norbu

    I have been watching quake info for years. Very active in Japan the last few days


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    RSOE EDIS
    I just love their slogan.
    “Nothing happens unexpectedly, everything has an indication,
    we just have to observe the connections.”


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The sheeple fail to understand the connections…wipeout.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @Whoopie..you have a lot of patience ..dealing with HP..thanks….
    PS.Heart has no patience with them after HP’s failure to get the truth out concerning the BP oil spill.
    NONE!


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      I understand Heart. You just have to KEEP AT IT. And truthfully, I’ve learned to laugh at the Cheerleaders…because they are so ridiculous. PLUS I truly believe we’re on the VERGE of major INFO coming out on them. i/e Greg Palast. Gotta Keep The Faith. I think something BIG is coming down the PIKE, dont you?
      HUGE! :)


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        And YES…HP FAILED MISERABLY WITH THE BP SPILL. In fact HP fails on ALL FRONTS. I really hate the place. I do!! BUT JAPAN IS NUMERO UNO ON MY LIST. Ya got to wonder why the N.C. keep coming back. Something strange about that.


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        • Whoopie Whoopie

          Edit: Why THEY keep coming back to HP. REally weird. Why do they worry about US THERE? It always ends up being the very same posters. Japan Irregulars we call ourselves.


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  • chrisk9

    In 1978 at the Duane Arnold Plant in Iowa, a GE Mark 1 design like Fukushima, we started to detect elevated airborne radiation levels. Within a couple of days the water levels in the drywell sump began increasing. The plant was shut down and I was in the first group of people to enter the drywell. We could see water leaking from the main re circulation piping. The plant was shut down for about a year as repairs were made, and pipes replaced and re welded.

    Thereafter all similar plants in the United States were inspected, and similar repairs were done at a number of the plants. The official story was I believe that the quality of piping material was not what was specified on the original construction plans.

    Were these inspections required in Japan or were there upgrades done? I have no idea. But if there were radiation alarms going off one mile away before the tsunami it would have to indicate there was a major rupture and loss of coolant accident due to the earthquake.


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  • pg

    -British elite try to take America 3 times and failed each time.
    -British elite start WWII.
    -British elite occupy Japan.
    -Low radiation sickness discovered amongst the Japanese people due to high iodine diet.
    -Potassium iodide is invented as a result of those studies.
    -British elite start building reactors in Japan.
    -British hire Americans to build 10 reactors on a fault line, in a tsunami zone, with 6 being hundreds of feet apart from one another. If one goes, chances are they all go. Seeing radiation travels West to east, America will be on the receiving end of the Rads.
    -British elite buy most politicians in America.
    -British elite take over health agencies and MSM in America.
    British elite, now running the FDA, remove Iodine from the American’s diets by adding Boride to all dairy products, mouth products, carpeting, more. A former Monstano executive appointed head of the FDA. Monstano is a George Soros company, a man calling for global population reduction, and a New World Order. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/21/former-monsanto-exec-appointed-to-the-head-of-the-f-d-a/
    -Boride is banned by all nations except the USA.
    -British elite sit back and wait for the big EQ to come which they know WILL someday come.
    -Big EQ strikes the reactors and Britain refuses to let the media warn the people of the dangers (search enenews for the article).

    HAARP, is a different conspiracy in which I have not studied enough to comment on.

    Look who tried to destroy a good portion of our seafood production (In the gulf of Mexico). BRITISH PETROLEUM. In addition, they use yet another internationally banned product, COREXIT.

    Conspiracy yes, but well connected dots plain as day.

    Hate to say it but I looks like the British are coming…again. Paul Revere? That would be the Internet.


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Interesting stuff you have there pg. Makes you wonder eh? I sometimes go to DUTCHSINSE channel. Haven’t been there in ages. I BELIEVE IN HAARP and seriously wonder about Chemtrails and what is being done with THOSE. I see them all over the skies here. In fact, the skies NEVER EVER look normal anymore. Our clouds look…tampered with. Unless I’m imagining it. I dont think so though.


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    • VanneV anne

      HAARP is now owned with all its patents by BAE a British arms dealer. Who has the oil in Alaska? BP. You might as well talk about the British monarchy. I wanted to throw up watching the latest wedding which had invited criminals around the world to attend.


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  • theypoisonus

    A bit off topic, but not far. imho.

    Navajo Indians in Ariz, ill for decades from Uranium mining and contaminated land, water.

    Few are left and very ill, children of elders, afraid to bear children because of deformaties, etc.

    Yet another sad saga of the horrid treatment of the American INDIGINOUW Indians by the USgov.

    http://rt.com/news/arizona-uranium-threatens-navajo/


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    • arclight arclight

      thanks theypoisonus sad link….

      looks like thats they way our global society will go, is already going….what are these pr boys going to do with their money then, eh! idiots!

      “Raymond “Don” Yellowman, a Leader and Activist Nee-Navajo from Tuba City, Arizona, says that “the communities [are] still suffering the effects of uranium and other metals. There are no roads, no education and no opportunities for young people.”
      “I’ll be here. I don’t have a place to go. I don’t have a choice,” says John, Navajo Nation Citizen of Tuba City, Arizona.”

      “I don’t have a place to go”
      where have i heard that before?


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  • odylan

    Bread and Butter, the link you seek is http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/

    As I predicted a few hours ago “there may be trouble ahead” there are already several more earthquakes in this swarm including a 6.2 a couple of hours ago and then two more 4.? aftershocks.

    ps- I heard today on the radio they are now going to restart a Jap reactor that was shut down after the big earthquake – in fact they may already have done so.


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