Published: December 1st, 2011 at 6:19 pm ET
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All N-fuel may have fallen to outer vessel / TEPCO: Up to 68 tons likely melted in No. 1 reactor, eroding concrete of containment unit, The Yomiuri Shimbun, Dec. 2, 2011:
[...] The nuclear fuel at the No. 1 reactor melted as its temperature reached nearly 3,000 C at one time, TEPCO estimated. In the No. 1 reactor, TEPCO believes, almost all of the about 68 tons of fuel melted. [...]
Only 37 centimeters of concrete remains between the fuel and the vessel’s outermost steel wall in the most damaged area, TEPCO said.
Without water, the No. 1 reactor’s fuel temperature was more than high enough to have melted everything inside the pressure vessel, not only the fuel itself but also the fuel control rods, the utility said.
TEPCO currently maintains a steady supply of water to the three reactors, enabling the No. 1 reactor to always have about 40 centimeters of cool water at the bottom of the containment vessel, enough to cover the melted fuel, according to the utility. [...]
Published: December 1st, 2011 at 6:19 pm ET
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“TEPCO currently maintains a steady supply of water to the three reactors, enabling the No. 1 reactor to always have about 40 centimeters of cool water at the bottom of the containment vessel, enough to cover the melted fuel, according to the utility. [...]”
How much good can that do if you have a 68 ton blob (especially one that is 3000 c). Even if water could cool metal of that temperature, it can only touch (and therefore only cool) the outermost surface of a portion of the blob.
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By stunning coincidence this is also the same amount of BS they’ve shoveled since
The crisis began. Oh, and pouring water on top of Blob might cool about the top
2 cm, leaving about 67.8 tons of fiery melting death. TepScum.
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TEPCO covers the corium with water to safely put out atomic fire.
TEPCO poisons the largest ocean on our tiny planet in the process, poisons the air of three other continents with 100 times Chernobyl contamination.
TEPCO does nothing requiring human intelligence or even 1980s technology to stop this catastrophe.
TEPCO LIES over 200 times before FukU melt-throughs in order to keep defective cracked reactors raking in the proFits.
TEPCO gets the U.S. And Europe to downplay the facts and blackout the MSM.
TEPCO: A band of crazed sociopathic murdering Capitalist Copycats, bringing suffering and depopulation to an overcrowded city near you!
This is SICK SICK SICK 68 tons probably needs a zero added tothe end because these are TEPCO numbers, but this is a huge amount to have uncontrolled…
But TEPCO deeply apologizes from the bottom of their cesium filled hearts (while they choke down a rare Kobe steak with A bottle of 60 y.o. Sake)
This will go down in history as “The Japan Syndrome”
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Good list, except you will find that TEPCO is controlled by the corrupt British elite, the very same people that installed those reactors, on a fault line, in a tsunami zone, less than 50 miles away from one another, knowing damn well someday it would come unglued sending plumes of radiation toward the USA.
Anything to stay in power, even genocide. That is the motto of most world governments these days.
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Ok, so,,, partly speechless at what has come out and what’s bring reported all of a sudden, but all of this we have known months ago,, what credit do we get?? Nice pat on the back
All of this happened since the takeover of tepco? The new boss wants to save his ass in a way, he might of read some of these posts who want tepscum hung up high for all to see, even it’s admitted now it’s far too late, will there be outcry? I guess foreign people will understand and switch of first an the Japanese will still think and say “I’m fine because I don’t live in Fukushima and the earthquake has gone” and “what’s danger in Japan? Earthquake? Yeah we get many of them”
Next stage will be interesting as we all screamed for the evacuation of Tokyo months ago,, it can’t and probably won’t happen, the economy needs Japan not to collapse, although it will eventuate,
part of me feels ripped out as I’ve tried to warn so many people especially Japanese about what’s unfolding here , this is a global ELE event
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my feeling is that this new info is coming out now because soon they will not be able to hide the fact that the fuel melted out. someone with
a longer attention span than I should make a time line of when facts where discovered and when tepco admitted to them. I think we can demonstrate a pattern of them coming out with info right about the time they can no long hide behind plausible deniability. so when they come out an say that there is a possibily of a massive explosion, get you lawn chair ready.
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The water is not going to help at all. Sand could not cool Chernobyl for 25 years water sure as hell won’t help cool reactor cores they can’t even find. You can’t cool something you can barely prove is where you say it is…Science is about facts and TEPCO is now face to face with reality. I hope they are squirming because that media campaign of deception only made them look worse.
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You should all know by now that if TepCo states something you should multiply by two. So using the number TepCo provided (68 tons) and using some inverse division, the real number of tons melting is 136 tons.
I have spoken.
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Multiply by 10 you mean God. Lied since the beginning and what pisses me off even more is our very own NRC backing and supporting Tepco. If I ever see whats-his-name in a dark alley, I’d be the one walking away. (what the hell is his name? head of nrc bald guy)
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Whoopie,
My kind of girl !
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The three bald men will have their time before me.
Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, and the name of the bald headed guy from the NRC in whom you reference.
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Who called in the freak show? I’m sure the ghetto god will save us, from his trailer.
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I love you.
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I remember seeing figures 1000 times lower than official. So it could be 6800,000 kg.
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weapons grade
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You mean that chrome-domed,beagle-beaked,vultur-looking,circus-faced,giggling like a schoolgirl,son of a jackal bitch,leader of the pack of laughing hyena’s-”Greory W. Jackzo”??!!~yeah Whoopie,You aren’t the only one with that notion,trust me on that!! I got a feeling he might end up like Moamar Ghaddafi with more than a handful of “other’s” in his circles having immediate justice served without the un-necessary expense of a trial by the time the biggest & worst of the impact here & globally is un-deniably known,understood & felt by their victims!…I guess some might get the impression that I don’t like the fellow now?!!(LOL)-I don’t know what would give that idea?,after all he made us all feel so warm & fuzzy inside when we watched him respond to reporters questions about deaths from Fukushima! And not to mention his dedication to his job and commitment shown by “never rubber-stamping approval to a NPP he didn’t like” and in the interest of keeping the investments made into the industry viable & productive by his concern for the public’s “immediate” impact on the health of the industry & economy by never inspecting a NPP he didn’t like either! How could I dislike anyone with such a great sense of humor when posed with such a morbid,outrageous question? Given his sense of humor and dedication to his job with his handsome looks-his father must’ve held a govt. post as well,oh wait-he still does,right next to the other rooftop Gargoyles guarding historic govt. bldgs. in D.C.! (lol)-Okay,I’m done & I hope he reads this & don’t like it!! ~PEACE~
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fix=”GreGory” not “greory”,LOL , although “Gory” or “Lurch” might do just fine for that son only a mother could love!
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No spelling police remember?! Hard not to isn’t it!? LOL
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LOL-yeah you’re right!!-I couldn’t resist the opportunity to add another jab in there though!lol,I couldn’t let someone like GreGory Jackzo,the Head of the NRC,and someone so high on the list of those needing to be held accountable! That dude is one of many needing to get a “pumkin’head” from Whoopie in that dark alley-although it wouldn’t be dark with Lurch’s bulbous,glowing dome throwing some lumens on the scene! ~I don’t know how any of us manage a laugh anymore,but I’m glad we are still able to for the time being?!! I guess I’m gonna take a break to see what “SadNet” shows here in the Windy City and check on the wife since she’s been suffering both her health issues simultaneously now with bad asthma attacks combined with seizures and I swear half the hair I got left turned white since yesterday when I got her back on her nebulizer in time to start breathing without having her back on a ventillator for the 5th time in our 21 years together!! A lot of respiratory issues lately in the neighborhood that keep me wondering about the origins?!! Take Care YC,~PEACE~
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I had a scary daydream about G Jackshole…he’s perpetually slurping a cheap domestic beer sitting in a dimly lit frat house rec room and he’s playing the hottest new nuke insider video game “Core On The Floor” and he’s at his favorite level where Asian executives meet him in a Love Hotel and supply him with young girls, a vial of coke and a videocamera. All he has to do is fly back to the States, joke with his coworkers and the journalists, ask the admin for a raise and the level’s compLete.
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Most of the blob is embedded in the concrete with less surface area exposed to cooling water and that means the blob heats up and speeds up. The fact that cooling water is cool is actually a bad sign. Punch through is imminent and they can stop playing with the water and build a relief well to vent the pressure buildup.
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Nothing ever mentioned about burning spent fuel pools from March & April.Where did reactor 3 pool dissapear to? Makes me feel so reassured that they have the ability to pump water on a totally out of control pile of nuclear shit! Cant take much more.
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I concur Yohann! And when I learned of the Common Spent Fuel Pool that runs the length of the whole joint I really had some dire thoughts! There’s only slightly more mention of that monstrosity made than Reactor’s #5-6! Does anyone have anything relating to those “other” items such as their condition,contents & vulnerabilities? If something bad’s happening that would imply TEPCO “running for the hills”-then it can be assumed whatever’s in those crap piles will be going belly-up pretty damned soon after the FUKuD up gear we been focusing on chases them away from the controls!?? Thanks in advance for any links or replies.~PEACE~
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This is crazy making! This has been going on for months and no news until the complete melt thru is eminent? Where have all the pro nuke supporters been when this was happening? If you read the NRC time line, they mention workers were scavanging car batteries to turn valves. Why is there never a plan to stop a total melt down? Oh that’s right it will never happen, see its not on TV so it must not exist. I feel so bad for the people of Japan they deserve a better government that would protect them instead of protecting Tepco.
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You want Pro=Nukes? I’ll give ya Pro-Nukes!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/30/japan-fukushima-daiichi-meltdown_n_1120262.html?show_comment_id=121078150#undefined
It’s really becoming a pain in the ass watching these guys post, day in day out SPOUTING EVERYTHINGS A-OK.
These guys have no soul, no compassion. All they’re worried about is their BOTTOM LINE:%$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
soapbox collapse.
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You can’t eat money…..that was the catch phrase for the 1992 rio eco summit that George Bush senior walked out on cause he didn’t give a rats ass about the earth.
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Sorry Whoopie, these idiots have got HP beat by miles!-I gotta admit that I only spend a few minutes at a time here just to update the latest lies the pro-nukers will be propogating on fake “Green” sites! http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_New_analysis_of__Fukushima_status_30111111.html
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It is just more of the same old news. Just now someone is letting out a small part of the real scenario. Probably in 3 months we’ll hear that all the nuke plants on the Eastern coast of Japan have melted down.
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Um, How many times did they have to run the simulation, run, tweek, run, to get the results that they wanted?
We all know that the fuel melted down in #1 within the first two days of the disaster.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-red-alert-nuclear-meltdown-quake-damaged-japanese-plant?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110312%284%29&utm_content=readmore&elq=d069624ee7394c6d95bed6aab634bf54
That leaves almost 10 months for the corium sitting on that possibly cracked foundation pad to eat through the concrete.
If it was 3000 degrees when it melted down and hit that outer containment, after burning through the stainless pressure vessel, then it did not take long to eat through the concrete.
This “new” info is just getting everyone ready for the “REVELATION” that Tepco has just “discovered” that the corium has left the building.
This is not an ELE in my opinion, Just very bad for Japan, very bad for the ones who get the revolver with the bullet in line with the barrel, and very bad for life’s DNA.
We are getting there people, with help from the IDIOTS at Tepco, NRC, and our elected elite, I hope to be celebrating the END OF NUCLEAR in my lifetime…
There are also other near term developments, here on the west coast, that threaten our existance coming soon…
I will head over to the discussion thread to elaborate as much as I can…
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The corium has left the building.
You know this as well as I.
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The corium temperature is 5700F with, even basalt reinforced, concrete melting, vaporizing, burning, whatever at about 3000F, or less and most metal metal alloys at an equal or lower temperature (2000F over hours for structural steel) and I don’t think their purported steal containment (probably doesn’t exist folks) beneath the basement, can survive 5700F.
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The recriticalities are getting worse, it’s getting hotter. It ain’t cooling off. All 3 of the coriums have probably melted thru into the ground, but they have still gotten concrete and steel imbedded in the mass of heating-up goop.
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40 cm = 15 inches of cool water at the bottom of the containment vessel???? WTH??? Do you really think 15 inches of water will cool 68 tons of hot uranium? What a joke. The fuel is not in the containment – the control rods melted and the molten fuel would have run out the holes through which the control rods entered in the bottom. STUPID design.
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You humans should take your lemons and make lemonade.
Do the responsible thing and relocate all Japanese people to other parts of the world as that land will become contaminated for thousands of years. Use Japan as the island in which to lay your waste, nuclear, or otherwise.
It is an unfortunate burden but the situation is insurmountable. You have an opportunity to save human life. Don’t waste it.
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Yes I have a lovely room or two for 2 or 3 family, Bring your children to safety ! Someone in Japan, put the word out, I know we have some bloggers here in Japan ! Free rent until you can make it on your own, Just get a visa and leave ! xdrfox do you Yahoo. com
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How long does it take to warm cool water with a 68,000 pound blob that is 5200 degrees f?…I can only imagine the answer is in seconds, but it wouldn’t be hard to calculate.
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I’m confused. Read this from today;
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-japan-nuclear-shutdown-idUSTRE7B104520111202
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The same things were said during Chernobyl. This is much worse.
I have spoken.
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God,
I know you are shaking your head as you look in these directions of our affairs, You understand more then I know, giving us a little knowledge but we grew with a bigger head and ego, some of our kind never stop growing and affects their ability to think so self absorbed, you know man would take the easy way and try to profit too, giving us just enough smarts to see the days ahead make new obscene tools for greed and war, how to profit on what you left to us, a beautifully balanced world … Oil ! what was once limitless but the future came, and wars provide for centuries for the fuel that keeps the earth stable, part of earths life blood, Vampires at work, more then earth can make, quake after quake of warning, slow down, slow down … waves of pain slow sown, you dig too deep and steal too much as the earth shrinks in size rattlings and shaking from being purged too often too quickly injected and froth with synthetics as a fighter in the ring being pummeled to the floor, and we stand at her last door, as us and earths creatures suffer too as warning to what you do, you see what we do, and you knew this as your created all things, the amount earth could supply and what we would do, … Alpha and Omega ! You wrote the book, we try to understand, years later after all we can do, and draw nothing, we may read words of saving grace …
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You are wise beyond your years.
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From the article:
“A cold shutdown is when water used to cool nuclear fuel rods remains below its boiling point, preventing the fuel from reheating.”
If there are no fuel rods to be found, then the water is perfectly cool.
Collect your bonus, pack up and go home.
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“HOT POTATOES” and they dropped them BIG TIME, they”ll get burn now and later but so will the rest of us !
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Thanx god.
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I gave you free will. Thank yourself.
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Study shows deeper meltdown at Japan nuke reactor
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111130/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_nuclear_crisis
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i wonder..why does nobody report de value of neutron rays in fukushima?whereunder the brave (poor) men are working there senseless?nobody kan stop a nuclear fission in this range.the very easiest way to stop this GRAVEYARD >(worldwide) would have been a dropdown of 2 H-bombs on the site.function:2 great emissions,but no nevernding radiation…nobody heared me.as i wrote when chernobyl was actual…it seems to be an suicide syndrom of all the people in the world…
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should my english not be correctly,so i beg your pardon.i am viennese/austria.a little country in the middle of europe…
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and i wonder… something isnt wright in reporting fukushima.the core melts with over 3500° C into the ground.there are now 7 months since the meltdown.the core should be in groundwater after few days.somehting is wrong in the reporting….
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It’s been in the ground water for quite a while.
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or are you all fakes????
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we have here 06:10 in the morning.greenwich meantime plus 1 hour.(mitteleuropäische zeit)
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You’re responding to your own comment…
Are you a flake?
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I agree that most active fuel is sitting at the water table now. The water table has risen up to 8′ following that disaster, and the basements would be that much closer.
I think TEPCO is playing the Washington DC harp, “lets try to keep the sheep herded with radiation doomer news as well. The moment it looses its effect, we light something on fire, or repeat bogus headlines”…
Just remember who’s party this is and remember that they only care about themselves.
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Come on! It is only 68 tons of melted nuclear fuel at reactor 1. You people are all over reacting like it was something dangerous that everyone in the world should be greatly concerned about. Get over it. Its only extremely radioactive nuclear fuel after all. It can all be cleaned up in a few weeks and disappears in several hundreds of thousands of years and only result in the deaths and suffering of millions of humans and other organisms. Think of the poor elite corporate folks who will profit less from the reactors being retired. Won’t you please think of them! I cry at the thought.
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Ya, but it is 2,176,000 ounces of the most toxic, nasty, and life destroying substance ever created by man.
Or
It is 61,688,562.2656 grams of death by man’s follies, of which each gram could kill two or more living things.
But wait! There’s two more coriums for those who were left out in the first round….
Go ahead, if you can, spin the barrel before you pass the gun along…
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What you did there…I saw it
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You forgot about the spent fuel pools, dont have to worry about reactor 3′s 88 tons the missing fuel rods that should be in the pool is all over the country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugIrnThul0
As for Reactors 1, 2 & 4 Reactor No. 1: 50 tons, No. 2: 81 tons, No. 4: 135 tons so about 532,000 oz or 1,508,1934gr
from http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=nuclear-fuel-fukushima
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Red Alert at Tepcocam Reactor 1 LOOK!!
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and one more time NO COMMENT about neutron ray values at fkushima.the geiger-counters and dosimeters given to the workers there DON’T show neutron rays….
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you must add the molten steel of containment and the molten concrete inside.much more than 68 tons…and IONIZING gamma rays that makes all radioactive where contacting…all material in contact with this ionizing rays will become radioactive BY ITSELF.
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when i was young, a man working with a “schweißbrenner” (don’t know it in english)fuelled by azetylenegas showd me what that flame does with granit.the temperature of the flame was nearby 1400° C.the granite stone (on the street there) melted within seconds into glass (afterwards when it colled).thats why they call it china snydrome.because the earth melts and becomes china (porzellan).
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schweilBrenner is a Welding torch. Sounds like you were working with Oxgen Acetylene
3200-3500 C
concrete is in failure at 1000 C and the sand in it melts at 2600C
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enough for today..once more:has anybody here values of neutron ray in fukushima?must be horrible high…
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seen the alert at nr.1.heres the link to the webcam.
http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asf
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but what does this red blinking light mean??????????
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the day after the tsunami the president of TEPCO locked himself drunk in a hotel room for a week.
he knew what had happened.
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awwww, shit
leaking little lies readying souls for the big whammy.
but they can’t believe their own lies -
Where in the world are these folks? If in Japan then what are they eating? What are they drinking? Are their families still in Japan What are they feeding their families? How are they sleeping at night? What kind of solace do they find in how they do or have they long, long, ago run for the hills, the caves, the deep to wait the worst of this out? I mean if folks here can puzzle together the doom on the horizon with scant information while watching jerry rigged TEPCO camearas placed at strange angles, far, far away, I can only imagine what folks with the real data are doing to prepare themselves. I mean, even a liar knows the truth in his heart
peace
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No analysis due to insufficient information.
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