Water in ground could start surfacing at Fukushima plant — Continuing to rise rapidly

Published: July 31st, 2013 at 7:23 pm ET
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Title: TEPCO’s N-plant delays cause for worry
Source: Yomiuri Shimbun
Author: Takashi Ito and Takashi Maemura
Date: July 31, 2013

[...] TEPCO spokesman Noriyuki Imaizumi revealed the water level of the tainted groundwater in a test well located on the sea side of the No. 2 reactor has risen rapidly.

“If the water level continues to rise, it could reach the ground surface,” Imaizumi, an acting general manager of the company’s nuclear power-related division, said at a press conference Monday.

According to the company, the water level has risen about 70 centimeters over the past 20 days. [...]

To prevent contaminated groundwater from leaking into the sea, TEPCO is working to reinforce the ground foundation of seawalls. The rising water level in the test well means the measures to prevent leakage have been working.

However, the company apparently failed to give much thought to the fact that the groundwater would have nowhere else to go [...]

See also: Gundersen: Japan ambassador confirms Fukushima Unit 4 is sinking unevenly -- Building "may begin to be tilting" (AUDIO)

Published: July 31st, 2013 at 7:23 pm ET
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93 comments to Water in ground could start surfacing at Fukushima plant — Continuing to rise rapidly

  • Cisco Cisco

    Gee, we never thunk about that! Pathetic…where are the smart boys now? Any that had any sense at all, are loog gone.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      Gee, we never thunk about that! Pathetic…where are the smart boys now? Any that had any sense at all, are long gone.


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      • Steve_G Steve_G

        Pathetic is truly the correct word, Cisco. How much longer will Tepco continue to believe that their INANE,INEPT and CALCULATINGLY IGNORANT press releases will be tolerated? When will it become obvious that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, remove Tepco from this NUCLEAR HELLHOLE and BEGIN PROSECUTIONS of these PSYCHOPATHS !!!!!!


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  • BirdOfTheFeather BirdOfTheFeather

    Wonder how much longer it will take to get to Tokyo ,,, or has it all ready ???


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Water is rising and the ground is sinking.
    Gee..all bases covered.


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    Now that it's "official" that the groundwater at the site is contaminated, can anyone on here supply a map or information on where all that groundwater is or goes? I'm not talking about the water that goes to the ocean. I mean, is this an aquifer type of thing? I know that the mountains are to the west, and the water is flowing through the ground, then through the site and into the ocean, but what is the SHAPE of this groundwater flow? How large is it?

    I'm interested to know because I want to see if that water is used for drinking water or irrigation (farms) in any areas. In many (if not all) nuclear incidents, the materials end up getting into aquifers or underground water supplies that may be used tens, or even hundreds of miles away.

    Speaking of long distances…there was an article on here recently (or fukushima-diary) about how the fresh groundwater mixes with the ocean water. In the past I just imagined that it mixed at the coast, but it seems obvious after I read that there are actually natural conduits that extend far out into the ocean before breaching the soil/sediment surface and mixing with saltwater directly. This natural phenomenon ensures that no matter how much radioactive material is measured in the plant port, it's never going to be the total/real number because they aren't measuring what's going through these sub-ocean freshwater tunnels. Continued…


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      It makes me wonder how many of these "freshwater vents" (anyone have the technical name for them?) are actually out there and connected directly to the Daiichi site…

      In the future, the exclusion zone may expand (it should, anyway), but I doubt it will ever include these "out-of-site out-of-mind" locations deep beneath the ocean's surface.

      Okay, more on topic now…Most people probably know that all the water flowing through the buildings and/or around what's left of the coriums is constantly flushing out pieces of fuel (from microscopic in size to moving around large chunks). Though there may be corium blobs, there are also splattered bits all over the place (I'm assuming). The wall that's being made is raising the groundwater level, and that's not good for the buildings or equipment, but I would imagine that it's going to totally fill the basements or levels above them. I imagine a toilet getting flushed. Fill the sub-levels of the buildings with water as much as possible then let it all out again. I'm not saying this is a good idea at all, but that's what it looks like to me. Any ideas? What really is the purpose of this wall if everyone knows that it isn't going to stop the ocean contamination by groundwater, and in fact will make the integrity of the land at the site so much more precarious?

      In my opinion, calculate 100% of Daiichi's radioactive inventory…that's how much is/will be released upon the world. There's no stopping it…


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    • We Not They Finally

      Probably every bad and destructive thing that you've mentioned, plus more. It's not just contamination of water. It's melted CORIUMS — at least THREE HUGE MELTED CORIUMS. Which melted down and then also MELTED THROUGH ALL CONTAINMENT! No containment, no control, just fissioning on and on and on. Far as we know, "forever." Tons upon tons upon tons of loose melted nuclear fuel.

      NO ONE can/should use ANY water from the area. No one should EAT anything from the area. No one should BREATHE anything from the area. No should TOUCH anything in the area.

      But no, there may be no map that anyone can give you or any total assessment. Whatever you think or whatever your questions, IT'S WORSE.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Exactly it is fissioning thus it's like starting at 311 all over again and no end in sight. I never thought I would live to see such a global catastrophe. No words to describe how dire this event is and continues to unfold. They have destroyed our bread basket, the Pacific Ocean. Oh Mother Mother Ocean I have heard you call….


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  • kintaman kintaman

    Wow, so when the water in the ground comes to the surface at the plant site the radiation level will likely sky-rocket. Will this necessitate an evacuation of the site?

    If so we are even more fubared.


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Yeah, I would think that any radioactive material that was trapped in the soil layers over the two and a half years of "leaks" and "spills" will be floated back up to the surface if the groundwater actually makes it that high. And that's not counting all of the areas in the buildings below ground that are going to have water creaping up the walls higher than ever before, sloshing more material around the site in places it wouldn't have gone to…

      On top of that, I assume those buildings weigh a decent amount…and aren't structurally sound to begin with, but groundwater rising close to, or at, the surface would cause a quicksand effect, wouldn't it? If they are going to slide the whole site into the port, shouldn't they empty the SFP's first? Why not make the impervious wall on top of and below the port's breakwaters?

      Someone on here a while ago provided a link to a site that listed all the reactors in the U.S. On that list, each reactor had a body of water (that it sat on) that was named as its "Ultimate Heat-Sink". It was a new term for me at the time, and it took me a little while to form an "opinion" on it, which is this: The Ultimate Heat-Sink is OFFICIALLY listed for each site…that to me means that if any major/catastrophic failure occurs, you can bet your ass that whole fuel inventory is going straight into the designated "sink". I mean, it's on the books…Anyone have any thoughts on this?

      Fuku is devastating, but there is much…


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      • kintaman kintaman

        Huge broken reactors sitting on top of a bowl of radioactive oatmeal :
        (.


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      • We Not They Finally

        MoonlightEmpire, I know that it is hard to absorb, but there are no "leaks" and there are no "spills," nor is anything "floating" to the surface. It's an ELE — a "Extinction Level Event." An ELE that was grotesquely mismanaged and lied about from the start, and now they are finally getting some clarity that they CANNOT fix it.

        It's very sad and it's very hard to face, and we wish also that some genius engineer would just come along and wave a magic wand.
        It's just very doubtful that that will happen. Worse, all the international agencies have been covering up to protect the nuclear industry. And the EPA just raised "acceptable" radiation limits to what will produce mass epidemics of cancer and other diseases right here in the U.S. There is ZERO protection of the food supply HERE.

        Sorry for the bad news.


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        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          A renowned Chemist told me the day this happened how very dire this was and that nothing could be done as it is immense and due to the location almost impossible to control like Chernobyl which is still hot over two decades but was not next to an ocean. Even TMI which was only a partial meltdown released quite a bit of nasties. I'm shocked how TEPCO has mishandled this disaster and why would anyone place so many reactors next to the sea in an area prone to earthquakes. I also wonder what condition reactors 5 and 6 are in and the spent fuel pools but I guess it doesn't matter at this juncture. I still try to hang on to hope but things are looking rather bleak so say the least. If ever we needed a miracle.


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    • The problem is.. the mess is now exiting the ground as far away as 60-70 MILES via prior quake epicenters.. where there are many OTHER holes in the Earth!


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  • We Not They Finally

    I read the above quote from the article five or six times. First it says that the rising level of water is BAD. Then it says that it is GOOD. Then it says that it doesn't matter anyway[!] because they don't have a clue how to stop it. And that thing at the end about "the water would have no place else to go?"

    And the whole headline about "delays cause for worry"?? It leaves one with no confidence that these people understand ANYTHING.


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  • BirdOfTheFeather BirdOfTheFeather

    Next thing you know they will be dealing with a new volcano ,,,


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  • LOOK at all the serious problems that continue to arise on a daily basis. By that account alone, the situation at Fukushima leads directly to certain ruin. If TEPCO is not removed as the central player in this ongoing catastrophe, the whole world is in the gunsight of destruction. I am not an alarmist, but TEPCO's inept handling of this crisis is not helping the world keep an upper hand. At this rate, Fukushima Dai Ichi NPP will inevitably break out of control and any reasonable solution to correct it.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    There is about 40 to 50 meters (130 to 160 feet) of mud pack and land fill between the surface of the plant and the bedrock. That's a large body of water beneath the site, and none of it is pretty.


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  • weeman

    70 cm is 27 and 1/2 inches in 20 days, over a inch a day, how does this relate to the recent multiple problems at the plant over the last couple of weeks, is this solely caused by the stoppage of contaminated ground water being pumped and stored, large storage tanks leaked and no good, above ground tanks are useless so no were to store, my humble opinion and if true dispicable, one of the simpler tasks to maintain, not a clue.


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  • razzz razzz

    "In the press conference of 7/31/2013, Tepco announced there is a possibility that groundwater overflows to up-ground as the worse scenario. However, Tepco doesn’t have an evaluation.

    According to Tepco, the top of the impervious wall is about 2m deep underground. Groundwater can overflow over the walls to the sea.

    It means the contaminated groundwater is still flowing to the sea, but Tepco claimed it’s a certain achievement.

    From Tepco’s latest report , the groundwater level is already 1m higher than the top of the impervious wall.

    Additionally, groundwater coming from the mountain side keeps being accumulated. Because the groundwater level is rising, the accumulated groundwater from the mountain side may be spreading over to other areas of the plant, but Tepco commented they haven’t evaluated the volume."
    As Reported by Mochizuki…
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/07/tepco-in-the-worse-scenario-groundwater-may-overflow-to-up-ground/


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    What's happening is that TEPCO is accelerating the liquifaction process. As the water rises, along with the continuous earthquakes, the ground underneath the entire facility turns into a liquid goo, first it's thick like peanut butter, and soon it turns into Italian salad dressing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction

    (take a good look at the pic of the buildings that fell over in Niigata)

    Either they did this on purpose, to liquify the substrate sooner, or they are completely clueless dumbshits. Either way, they are accelerating the slide of the facility into the sea, which is where they want it all to go anyway.

    It will be 'out of sight, out of mind', everyone will say they had no control over it, and how sad they all are over this unfortunate situation.


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    • We Not They Finally

      TIS, someone else made a very interesting comment that maybe there is a specific covert REASON for this current dance — that suddenly TEPCO can't be trusted, suddenly "there really is something wrong" and here's your scapegoat — and that reason being that "they may be about to announce [finally] something really really bad." Then I guess that they could say, "TEPCO did it," and they're the left hand and the government is the right hand and that funny facial gesture is just a wink and a nod….

      Sick puppies over there.


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    TIS. You are on to some thing here! Look at the lack of international help to ensure a true containment of all damaged plants. These land fell many feet at the time of the quake & then trillions of gallons sea water rushed inward & we have no info how much took at trip under the plants on the way in or out,right? Untit 4 fuel pool listing & sinking & no reports lately of how much up to date! Now if you were a privately owned corporation who in less than 3 years the nuclear power plants you owned & those in the Shadow Banking Cartel who silently dumped their shares & ties wanted to cover their tracks, what would you do? Turn down all help from all out side sources because you do not want your good name put up on the TV for the world to see, right? No matter if you take out a entire Ocean & the life in it. A ocean that once provived a way of life for millions of people is no longer there from the fishermen to the canneries!

    TIS, think how these evil people think, they only care about one thing power & money & the rest the hell with,those sheep ate to much & cost us in medical bills after eating the GMO's we sold them! Now they will die off with cancer & other Radiation related illnesses!


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    TIS, ever seen Graves or swimming Pools rise up because of ground water lrvrls rising? The same could be going on at Fukishima, just at thought!If a concrete peer would float across the pacific, why not a whole nuclear power plant complex, like a break away Island full of radiation on the Currents of the Pacific!


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  • jk641

    Time Is Short,

    You're scaring me..


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  • jk641

    Soil liquefaction is a very real threat.
    The Fukushima area is experiencing earthquakes almost every other day.
    Who knows when the reactor buildings will collapse?


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  • razzz razzz

    Here is an article about rivers, there are some keywords in bold type that describe parts of a river system. Starts out simple then gets complicated. Doesn't include dumping into the sea or tidal interactions for that read the 2nd link 'Estuary' that gets even more complex.

    http://chamisa.freeshell.org/flow.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estuary

    You can see Daiichi is a crime against mother nature itself. Local fishermen know all to well the conditions.

    I have no idea what TEPCO is doing. They are not finished with the seaside dam yet. They are going to turn the site into a marsh or swamp at this rate. Google Earth shows Daiichi mostly surround by farmland and small holding ponds with small rivers dumping into the ocean up and down the coastline. The waterborne radionuclides will make it easier to trace out the aquifers and tidal flows.

    I don't think there is a tent large enough to coverup the damage.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The "Impermeable Wall" is exactly the problem, razzz.
      It is now closing in on half complete.
      Water is already beginning to back up.
      Here is a plan for the Wall:
      http://enenews.com/wall-100-feet-tall-be-built-underground-fukushima-daiichi-tepco-trying-prevent-contamination-ocean-construction-begins-tomorrow-ends-june-2014-photos
      Here is a photo of the wall:
      http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-contaminated.html
      What happens when you build a cofferdam?
      Water stops flowing into the sea.
      Water begins to back up.
      The rise in water levels is because of the cofferdam construction.
      This is a fake problem.
      TEPCO loves to put out fake problems, which they can easily solve.
      Keeps public attention away from the larger problems, for which TEPCO has no answer.
      Simply start the extraction pumps!
      Water levels begin to fall immediately.
      They have drilled a series of extraction wells just inland from Reactors1,2,3,&4, to intercept groundwater.
      After testing for radiation, this water will be dumped into the Pacific Ocean.
      One problem I have with the Impermeable Wall Project is that TEPCO intends to lower the water table.
      When TEPCO lowers the water table, corium splatter, and corium debris in the lava tubes will heat up.
      The result will be increased radioactive smoke and steam.
      The problem will be too little water, not too much water, IMHO.


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  • Wooster

    Something tells me, after two years of farcical ineptitude by Tepco, we are close to the end game with this disaster.

    Once the contaminated water reaches the ground level all bets are off as the site would quickly become too contaminated for anyone to work there.


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    • They don't list, show, or even describe Plutonium breeder rods..?? ;-) and the entire "Vitrification" is a farce.. as it last just over 20-25 years before it then breaks-down.. to a very radioactive dust-powder!

      Like talcum powder! DON'T SNEEZE !!!

      This is what's going on at Chernobyl… and why the rush is on for a new cover over it!


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  • Cavebear Cavebear

    well well well………

    So they built a wall to stop water 'leaking' into the ocean but they forgot that there is water rushing in from all sides? No problem! Pump it into the one-year-lasting tanks with the rusty bolts because the water will end up in the ocean anyway. Sooner or later there will be no other solution than 'leaking' it into the sea, because you can't build new storage tanks every day for the next hundred years. They know it, we know it.


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  • Steve_G Steve_G

    They know exactly how horrible this continuing disaster will become. These Tepco management psychopaths along with the demented political leaders deserve criminal proceedings. The punishment will however, never be adequate for their crimes. Over the years these crimes will constitute mass murder of what could very likely be millions, world-wide! Plants, animals and people lethally contaminated for thousands of years.


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  • Ourself Ourself

    Name one thing worse than nuclear energy.
    They act like it's free but it's not at all cheap.
    Chernobyl alone caused a million casualties.
    How many must die for the sake of the elite?

    What do they need? An ELE?
    It's a possibility with Fukushima Daiichi.
    I don't ask you to believe; just wait and see.
    This is what TEPCO does, actually.


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  • AB AB

    NIPON was hit by a BLCKop… making nukes at FUKU literally brought JAP down… Shimatsu was on RENSE today… I wonder why you never mention his media appearances. Yoichi Shimatsu and Dr. Wilcox are in Fukushima now!

    Here is the latest
    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Shitmatsu_072913.mp3


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  • Ourself Ourself

    According to Benjamin Fulford, the 3/11 event was caused by a nuclear detonation underwater, from a submarine called Chikyu Maru or something like that. Thoughts? Opinions?


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi, no. It was just an earthquake. Mother Nature does that from time to time if She feels like it.


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    • irhologram

      Because there was virtually no damage photographed in the 40 min. between the EQ until the tsunami, even at closest point to the epicenter, Sandai, 50 miles from a 9 EQ….Because the Fukushima data in that interval has not been released..Because the spike in radiation could have been from a detonation and not from pre-tsunami Fukushima. Because a 9 EQ should have damaged Tokyo and inland areas. Because no tsunami alerts went off….because people were photographed strolling, driving on overpasses, and just watching the tsunami roll in when a 9 EQ surely would have alerted them, personally….Because the new monitoring cameras at Fukushima weighed 500 lbs. and looked like a known weapon… For these and other reasons, some believe a bomb was set in an undersea trench, coinciding with a 5 and 7 EQ inland and that a reactor was sabotaged. The theory goes that instruments of sabotage were in place, waiting for a real EQ for a cover story. You can find the info by Googling Jim Stone.


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  • jackassrig

    I did a rough calculation a long time ago and if memory serves me, the SFP water weighs about 1 million pounds. Then add the weight of the concrete. The pools resemble an olympic pool. The weights are enormous and this is just for the SFP. Can't even imagine the weight of the CSFP.


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  • weeman

    Theory for you to pounder, if water is a moderator, with the rise in ground water is it possible the corium has solidified and was above the level off the ground water and now the water is coming in contact with corium, would this not possibly be the reason for the recent trials and tribulation at plant.
    At Chernobyl they took great lengths to make sure the corium was not submerged in water, feared a steam explosion and since water is a moderator, radiation would not subside?
    Please correct me if wrong, thanks.


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    • lickerface lickerface

      What's more likely? Corium melting downward to the groundwater or pumped water seeping onto a less-shallow corium?


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Water is a reflecter, when in contact with corium. Water acts only to heat up corium. Water cannot cool corium.

      Water is a moderator when circulated around nuclear fuel configured as fuel assemblies.
      The space around the tubes, filled with water, moderates the speed of neutrons, slowing them down enough to sustain a chain reaction.
      In a reactor, water flashes into steam, carrying the energy of the reactor to turbines, which generate electricity.

      One thing water does effectively is to absorb radioactive contamination.
      The water then flows into the ocean, delivering heavy contamination.
      If corium is surrounded only by the atmosphere, the air becomes heavily contaminated.
      Choose your poison. :)


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      • weeman

        Pun that is what I was trying to say, water is a reflected in contact with corium, if the corium was not submerged in water before the water table rose and is now covered with water, would things not heat up and lead to what we have seen in the last few weeks. Triying to figure out what has changed, something.
        Not going to be a happy camper this long weekend, keep out of rain.


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  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    The saturated ground at the site would appear to me to be caused by all the water that they have and are pumping. It isn't draining/filtering/flowing out of the area fast enough. And they are still pumping because…? I would guess there are no more Spent Fuel Rods on site to burn. Pumping just for the show? To keep the lie alive?


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  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Pumping because of #2. Thanks PB!


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