Published: August 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima The Truth Behind the Chain of Meltdowns
Source: NHK Documentary
Air Date: July 2012
Upload Date: August 17, 2012
Uploaded by: MissingSky101
At 7:50 in
Narrator: What was happening there? Managers who responded to the accident gave their accounts for the first time in front of a camera. They also feared Reactor No. 2 was in the worst shape.
Reactor No. 2 crisis response chief: I thought my heart was going to stop beating, I was really scared. We couldn’t inject water, but the water inside was leaking. If that continued, the reactor would start burning inside without any way to cool. In the worst case scenario, soaring pressure would have wrecked the reactor and the containment vessel would have cracked.
At 28:15 in
Reactor No. 2 crisis response chief: Part of me was extremely worried, I thought that the situation could end up ruining the whole country.
According to the NHK documentary, it appears the “worst case scenario” mentioned above (“soaring pressure would have wrecked the reactor and the containment vessel would have cracked”) did happen: NHK: "The unimaginable was happening" -- Workers say part of Reactor 2 containment vessel destroyed -- After alarming pressure readings, "we heard a loud bang... pressure is now zero" (VIDEO)
Published: August 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm ET
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These engineers are telling their story because of public sentiment and because some in government leadership are protecting them. We are witnessing and participating in how there is never a complete domination of power and what it takes from all of us to act powerfully and bring about change regardless of an iron grip or intent to deceive.
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The Panic Over Fukushima
August 17, 2012, 6:21 p.m. ET
Japan's nuclear accident was a great human tragedy, but its long-term health effects have been exaggerated—and the virtues of nuclear power remain.
By RICHARD MULLER
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444772404577589270444059332.html
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This part is bothering me:
**But over the following weeks and months, the fear grew that the ultimate victims of this damaged nuke would number in the thousands or tens of thousands. The "hot spots" in Japan that frightened many people showed radiation at the level of .1 rem, a number quite small compared with the average excess dose that people happily live with in Denver.**
me: If this is true(and I am thinking the hot-spots were WAY ABOVE .1 rem) then WSJ is building the case that everything is JUST FINE in Japan. If you read the article, you can see why this is troubling. I'm scratching my head, thinking the hot spots were much hotter than this author is minimizing them to be. Weren't they?
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**** Sadly, many of those 4,400 who die from "normal" cancer will die believing that their illness was caused by the nuclear reactor. That is human nature; we search for reasons behind our tragedies.****
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While ALL reports of contamination levels from Japan are highly suspect, Muller's assertion of .1 rem means absolutely zip without the required time qualifier. .1 rem per what? The normal dose designation is per hour. The deception forwarded by his comparison to ANNUAL gamma background in Denver would appear to be per year, but that isn't specified, is it?
.1 rem/hr adds up to 873.6 rem/year. Which is certainly not an insignificant dose.
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Excellent comment Joy
Anthony I would not believe a single word in the article.
The guy just wrote a book. Here is a description from the comment section
Energy for Future Presidents
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Future-Presidents-Science-Headlines/dp/0393081613/ref=la_B000AQ4JZ6_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345339942&sr=1-1
[excerpted] The book itself is a review of what scientists know about the energy problem not only in the United States but worldwide. In Part I of the book, entitled "Energy Catastrophes", Mr. Mueller discusses two recent energy disasters using a non-emotional analysis. One of the disasters is the tsunami in Japan that damaged the nuclear reactor site as well as homes and factories and human lives.
He feels that the nuclear part of the disaster has been grossly overstated and he gives his reasons for that conclusion. Many people around the world wanted to completely disassociate themselves from nuclear energy after the Fukushima disaster. However, Muller believes that nuclear energy is still a safe energy source and it is important that we not give up on it.
He also discusses the Deep water Horizon accident in the gulf, which spurted oil into the sea for seemingly endless days. He also felt that the damage was grossly exaggerated and attempted put it in perspective. He felt the cleanup activities worked well….
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"He feels that the nuclear part of the disaster has been grossly overstated and he gives his reasons for that conclusion."
Anyone that makes such a statement is a damned fool. And a liar. Look at the photos of reactor 3, "the spent fuel pool should be in the middle of the picture but we don't see it anywhere" kind of sums it up for me.
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I saw pictures of the #3 pool wreckage, and the fuel rods were blown to bits~non-existant. Chunks were found 2km away by guys who dropped dead from the Plutonium exposure. Several articles on that subject were posted on Energy News.
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*** …particularly the long-term evacuation of large areas and the virtual termination of the Japanese nuclear power industry—were expressions of panic. I would go further and suggest that these well-intended measures did far more harm than good, not least in limiting the prospects of a source of energy that is safe, abundant and (as compared with its rivals) relatively benign for the environmental health of our planet.
If you are exposed to a dose of 100 rem or more, you will get sick right away from radiation illness. You know what that's like from people who have had radiation therapy: nausea, loss of hair, a general feeling of weakness. In the Fukushima accident, nobody got a dose this big; workers were restricted in their hours of exposure to try to make sure that none received a dose greater than 25 rem (although some exceeded this level). At a larger dose—250 to 350 rem—the symptoms become life-threatening. Essential enzymes are damaged, and your chance of dying (if untreated) is 50%.
Nevertheless, even a small number of rem can trigger an eventual cancer. A dose of 25 rem causes no radiation illness, but it gives you a 1% chance of getting cancer—in addition to the 20% chance you already have from "natural" causes. … ***
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***…Nothing can be made absolutely safe. Must we design nuclear reactors to withstand everything imaginable? What about an asteroid or comet impact? Or a nuclear war? No, of course not; the damage from the asteroid or the war would far exceed the tiny added damage from the radioactivity released by a damaged nuclear power plant. …***
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Thanks for the link to Dr. Muller's editorial Anthony. I read this garbage and wondered who the heck this guy was because his numbers and approach are deeply flawed. Sorry but his linear methods do not work, and his exclusion of many other factors including internal dose are indications of ideology not science. Also beware of anyone trying to tie in natural doses to unnatural doses, it is really not that simple.
So I expect this out of the Wall Street Journal, but this guy's name bothered me, it was familiar. This is the guy the Koch brothers hired to disprove global warming, because he had published papers denying global warming in the past. But he made news a few weeks ago because he changed his position in his paper and agreed that the threat of global warming was real.
So a past global warming denier, connected to the Koch brothers produces a radiation report, an area he is not an expert, and it gets published an read by millions. Pure propaganda, and very sad.
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Anthony, a split thread developed on the subject. Some more details about Muller are posted here:
http://enenews.com/japan-times-fukushima-daini-written-off-reactors-no-5-and-6-at-daiichi-also-japan-policy-minister-plants-should-never-be-restarted/comment-page-1#comment-280707
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Thanks everyone! Stunning and dangerous lies.
Science is supposed to be about the truth of things.
Nuclear but more intensely Fukushima has taken the integrity out of Science and Medicine. Today lies are sold as truths by medical and scientific professionals, intentionally.
How can it be okay that we cant place our trust and faith in Doctors and Scientists anymore?
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“I thought situation could end up ruining the whole country”
It did, just not in the time scale you were thinking at the time…
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To clairify my anger, our use of splitting the atom to boil water, is some what like finding a troup of chimps that have developed a very complex instrument, and are proceeding to use it to crack nuts. Unfortunately the results of our tech will wipeout our future, and theirs.
As a pronucker less than a year and one half ago, I guess I'm somewhat like an ex-smoker in my tollarance for this SNAFU.
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BYD…I'm glad to hear of your EX-hood. Welcome to the antinuke club.
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Thank you for the welcome dharmasyd. Hopefuly I'm not too late to make some small difference.
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cross linking to another site, worth a read.
http://rense.com/general95/fuknucl.html
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I can't help making the connection between valves not working and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
Stuxnet is a highly-sophisticated, US-Israeli[1] computer worm. Discovered in June 2010, Stuxnet initially spreads via Microsoft Windows, and targets Siemens industrial software and equipment. While it is not the first time that hackers have targeted industrial systems,[2] it is the first discovered malware that spies on and subverts industrial systems,[3] and the first to include a programmable logic controller (PLC) rootkit.[4][5]
The worm initially spreads indiscriminately, but includes a highly specialized malware payload that is designed to target only Siemens supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) systems that are configured to control and monitor specific industrial processes.[6][7] Stuxnet infects PLCs by subverting the Step-7 software application that is used to reprogram these devices.[8][9]
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6'under, If Stuxnet was created by Israel and USA, I'm sure they would have appropriate anti-virus software installed on their allies reactors. Especially Japan, with a large US army presence.
The quote, "Tepco Manager: “I thought situation could end up ruining the whole country” — I thought my heart was going to stop beating… Reactor 2 would start burning inside if no way to cool it ".
No conspiracy theory needed. except executives and government, in the name of money and greed, conspired to hoodwink the public by convincing them that building nuclear reactors close to the ocean, on a earthquake and tsunami prone site would be safe because the experts said it would be.
Despite continuous radiation emitting from these ruined reactors, apparently according to the TEPCO manager, it could have been a lot worse. Maybe God did intervene. Its as good an explanation as any, in my opinion, because it certainly wasn't because the experts were on top of the situation. It shouldn't of happened because the Japanese people shouldn't have let nuclear reactors be built on their beautiful earth quake prone country. This happened not due to some conspiracy theory/haarp/stuxnet/whatever. It happened because human beings are risk takers. Every day people smoke cigarettes, don't put on seatbelts ride motorcycles without helmets etc etc. Human nature is to blame. We have to learn from Japans mistakes and fix our own back yard.
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Appreciate your response Mark. I have to disagree with the assumption that the creators of stuxnet/flame and NPPs are allies of anyone. They're mercs and operate in a different value system than we do.
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Totally they operate on a different value system then us thats why we are here and they are there. Building nuclear power plants in earthquake zones is a recipe for disaster. Simple. The Japanese people were hoodwinked by greedy fraudsters plain and simple just like how G.E hoodwinked Americans and Canada sells nuclear fuel and promotes its own nuclear industry while putting Canadians health at risk. This is a story that has repeated itself in industry countless times. Tobacco industry comes to mind. I believe its that simple. No complicated Stuxnet theory needed. 6'under, with due respect I like to shoot down all conspiracy type theories on this site not because I don't believe that there is any truth in them but because I think it all boils down to greed and profit over human health and honesty. And I do believe that we can facilitate change from within. But I don't think it will be easy. Focussing on HAARP or Stuxnet I believe is a waste of time, as it misses the bottom line that we the people have allowed a minority to gain exceptional wealth while poisoning the world. I'm not discouraging free speech. I may not agree with an individual but I do want to here his/her opinion. I'm off to visit my Mum, take care.
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They use the term "main containment" to include the drywell. Traditionally this would not be the case. The pressure vessel and the torus (suppression chamber) are connected and have been considered the primary containment. And the drywell has been the secondary containment. The relief values are located in the top of the drywell if my memory is correct. So if the pressure is too high in the drywell for the valves to operate then containment has already been lost because the fuel has leaked out of the pressure vessel or a main cooling line has been broken.
My bet is that the earthquake broke at least one of these large cooling lines.
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I'm listening to some hippie dippie song with the line "Look at mother nature on the run in the ninteen seventies. 40 years later not much has changed.
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Care to let us check it out tooo ?
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Neil Young After the gold rush
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The song is Neil Young's iconic "After the Gold Rush" from 1970.
Lyrics: http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/80407/
"Dolly Parton once commented about the making of her version of the song: "When we were doing the Trio album, I asked Linda and Emmy what it meant, and they didn't know. So we called Neil Young, and he didn't know. We asked him, flat out, what it meant, and he said, 'Hell, I don't know. I just wrote it. It just depends on what I was taking at the time. I guess every verse has something different I'd taken.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Gold_Rush_%28song%29
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There are several versions of Young doing this song on YouTube, such as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_mXVtjQWQ
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One of the things about Neil is that every time he sang a song it was a little different than the last time.
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Thx aigeezer , i did not see your comments before i posted my reply to 6feetunder , its ok now , have the disk "Decade" spinning as i speak .
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You posted first DID while I was off "researching" (meaning I don't trust my geezer memory). It's all good.
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Thx 6feet , i knew it sounded familiar. Neil is great.
quote "Thinking about what a friend had said , i was hoping it was a lie".
Lots of people having those toughts nowadays , its part of the awakening…the sad part…almost as sad as the fact that it is a forced awakening…no choice..
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"Look at mother nature on the run in the 1970's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e3m_T-NMOs That was then this is now
"Is it two, three? Leave a good tip
I’mma blow off my money and don’t give two shits" quote from Starships – Nicki Minaj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo
How this relates to Fukushima? Todays 20 somethings look at old hippies like some tragic/comical figure from the past. After all its old hippies who raised todays 20 somethings. No protest dance songs on the radio. We have to engage the young in this conversation if we want change such that no more nukes are built. The young people don't care. They are jaded. They turn inward as a defence mechanism from all the crap the last generation left them. They resent and despise the older generation. I hear this first hand from youngsters. I'm 51 so I'm sort of post boomer. But I have a 2 and 3 year old and I don't know how I'm going to explain why we left them a world in such a mess. I don't want to hear another old rock and roll hippie song. Peace and Love got sold down the river a long time ago. I saw a big black brand new beemer with a Bob Dylan sticker on it driven by a white haired suit with a stupid pony tail at the back of his balding head. Cartman says it best; "Its all a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap".
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Mark, don't write off tree-huggers too quickly. Here's a story from treehugger.com – it's not new news, but it sure is good news:
http://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/worlds-largest-solar-park-166mw-built-on-former-mine.html
Without hippie tree-huggers, nuke would be far more entrenched than it is.
I don't think we need to engage the youth in conversation, by the way. They would just ignore us – they have to figure it out for themselves. Hehe, I have a daughter about your age, grasshopper, and she's got a son on the brink of adolescence. Sweet revenge.
As for the music – yes, there's nothing as irritating as being force-fed another generation's music. To a geezer like me, "After the Gold Rush" is a really fresh vivid song. To my parents' generation, Sinatra and Tony Bennett were important voices. Yech! Now there's Justin Bieber. Mega Yech! We all look at each other as if the other person has three heads.
'Twas ever thus. "O tempora o mores", Cicero, November 8, 63 BC (I wasn't actually there).
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN
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Actually Aigeezer, I can certainly relate more to your generation of music yet I'm allways happier at work when the young ones throw on the dance music channel. Only so much of any old music I can stand.
However in respect to all the hard work those tree huggin hippies have done to at least slow down, somewhat, the industrial behemoth,
I give you this, one of my personal favorites. God Bless All, especially the tree huggers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cin0QzuEss
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Thanks, Mark. I hadn't heard White Bird for a long time. Good choice.
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"Ruined" explains what radiation is doing to crops, milk, water, and fish …in Japan, and U.S.
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And for the record, I am in a coffee shop listening to the coffee shop guy's music. I love Neil Young, especially as he is Canadian like me, but I would never choose to listen to such depressing music. Dinosaur music. The past is gone like a puff of hemp smoke. Don't live in the past.
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Sometimes a puff of smoke can help approching a Gordion Knot a different way to reach an Aha-erlebnis that influences future decissions and therefor the rest of your life
. Probably one of the reasons fore the war on it besides the money, medical monopolies and the need to protect all those prisonguards jobs etc…
But i agree , some musicians…like Leonard Cohen , wonderfull , majestic , divine and so gravity adding.
If you happen to have some sadness stored on subconscious level, a voice like that of Leonard triggers/resonates it to noticeble levels without merci lol.
Ok, enough off topic .
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