Reuters: Fukushima fuel melted through containment vessels and is “spewing radiation” — Nuke Expert: Fuel has “scattered all over the place” — Gov’t: Fuel may have burned out into environment — Tepco Official: Fuel could have flowed out “like lava in a volcano” (VIDEOS)

Published: March 15th, 2016 at 8:13 pm ET


Reuters, Mar 11, 2016 (emphasis added): Today, the radiation at the Fukushima plant is still so powerful it has proven impossible to get into its bowels to find and remove the extremely dangerous blobs of melted fuel rods, weighing hundreds of tonnes… The fuel rods melted through their containment vessels in the reactors, and no one knows exactly where they are now…  Tepco has been developing robots [to] negotiate obstacles in damaged tunnels and piping to search for the melted fuel rods.

Reuters, Mar 9, 2016: Five years on, melted fuel rods still spew radiation

DW, Mar 11, 2016: The melted nuclear fuel and the destroyed pressure vessel in the nuclear reactors 1 to 3 continue to be major problems… “So far, nobody knows what exactly happened in there and how to solve it,” [Heinz Smital, a nuclear physicist] told DW. “Until now, there is no solution to recover the melted fuel rods from the reactors.”

News Corp Australia, Mar 11, 2016: Today, the radiation at the Fukushima plant is still so powerful it is impossible to extract and remove deadly melted fuel rods…  [Tepco is] grappling with the fact that they don’t have the technology to find missing melted fuel rods in three reactors at the plant. The rods melted through containment vessels in the reactors.

Guardian, Mar 11, 2016: [It’s] the most daunting task the nuclear industry has ever faced: removing hundreds of tons of melted fuel from the plant’s stricken reactors… something no nuclear operator has ever attempted… Of greatest concern, though, is reactor 1, where the fuel may have burned through the pressure vessel, fallen to the bottom of the containment vessel and into the concrete pedestal below – perhaps even outside it – according to a report by the International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning… Masuda and Tepco engineers who spoke to the Guardian conceded that they still didn’t know where the fuel is located. “To be honest, we don’t know exactly where the fuel is”… Masuda said… “No one has ever done what we’re doing”…

PBS Newshour, Mar 11, 2016 (at 35:15 in):

  • Miles O’Brien, PBS correspondent: What about the melted fuel in the reactor cores? They aren’t even sure where it all is.
  • Lake Barrett, Tepco advisor: Is it in one big vertical lump on the floor underneath it? Or did it come down and flow like lava in a volcano and move out to the sides? We don’t know yet… Nothing of this magnitude [i.e. the attempt to remove Fukushima’s melted fuel] has ever been done by mankind

Interview with nuclear engineer Hiroaki Koide (translation by Prof. Robert Stolz, transcription by Akiko Anson), published Mar 8, 2016: We simply do not know where the core is or in what state it is… [The government and TEPCO] are convinced that the melted core fell through the bottom of the pressure vessel and now lie at the bottom of the containment vessel―basically piling up like nuggets of the melted core [See Lake Barrett’s statement above]. There’s no way this would be the case. (Laughs)… It should have been scattered all over the place… Though the containment vessel is made of steel, if the melted core has come in contact with that steel, just as it ate through the floor of the pressure vessel, it could possibly have melted through the containment vessel… There are situations in which the containment vessel can suffer a melt-through. I think this likely has already happened.

Watch: PBS Newshour | Reuters

Published: March 15th, 2016 at 8:13 pm ET


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    "Japan, US, France to team up on Fukushima clean-up: official
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    Tokyo (AFP) March 14, 2016
    The Japanese government will team up with experts in the United States and France to develop brand new technologies to collect melted fuel from crippled reactors at Fukushima, an official said Monday."

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    2013 "Lady Barbara Judge, the British-American hired to oversee the safety campaign of Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) said that the company has changed enough from the previous leadership and so deserve to have their nuclear reactors restarted as soon as possible."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Nuclear Engineer: There’s been a melt-through at Fukushima, fuel has ‘scattered all over the place’ — Gov’t: Fuel could be out in environment — Tepco Official: Fuel may have flowed out like ‘lava in a volcano’ — Reuters: Fuel melted through containment, is still spewing radiation (VIDEOS)"


  • Jebus Jebus

    A few corium tips from the IRSN…

    Mostly for third gen reactors…

    In a core meltdown accident, the main objective is to minimise releases to the environment, exposure of the public to radiation, and long-term contamination.
    To this end, integrity and leaktightness of the reactor containment must be maintained.

  • freebywill

    International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning –

    [ couldn't find the exact report the Guardian cites about melted fuel exiting secondary containment ]

    this is the Fuku info site

    This is one of the last items posted

    Organizers: the U.S. Embassy in Japan, the U.S. Department of Commerce,
          the U.S. Department of Energy, the Ministry of Economy,
          Trade and Industry of Japan (METI) and the JETRO [ Japan External Trade Organization ]

    " This forum was intended mainly to promote useful exchanges between Japanese and U.S. companies in the fields of nuclear decommissioning and decontamination, as part of Japan-U.S. cooperation on nuclear decommissioning and decontamination. "

    [ Its a corporate feeding frenzy , the DOE, what a joke, bungling about since inception. If anyone can find a project the DOE has successfully managed please post. ]

    pdf that goes with the speech

    [ most of the R&D seems geared to robotics which screams " we can't get near the place. imo 40 years decomm is a tight schedule unless you wait 20 years to start the counter ]

  • Keyhole

    Somebody tried to "prove" that Dana Durnford is a liar below:

    My commentary on the latest Rense/The Nuclear Proctologist interview

    That forum is very loyal to Durnford but no one is standing up for him in that thread. Guest posting is allowed there, will someone please set the record straight?

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. Naohiro Masuda told the Whole World that:

    “Cores melted out of containment.”

    “Core locations unknown.”

    “Spent fuel pools critical. Thousands of tons nuclear fuel released”

    “Radioactive water from storage tanks dumped into the Pacific daily.”

    “No way to de-contaminate water.”

    “No steps have been taken to stem the flow of radioactive groundwater.”

    “Underground stream flowing across cores carries radiation to ocean.”

    “Potential of super-criticality still high.”

    “Governments and TEPCO are lying.”

    “No fix for Fukushima.”

    Yes,he did.

    It was a good dream; as dreams go.


  • papacares papacares

    Hey guys and girls – these continual threads are amazing – last year
    enenews reported TEPCO admitted 3 melt throughs and that unit 4 had not only the corium but also the contents of the spent fuel pool blown to smithereens – many comments from all the regulars – so why the continual rehashing of differing accounts? – anyone who has seen the videos of the explosions realizes for the last 5 years all we are watching is a dog and pony show – come on give me some real news and tell me solutions or preparations or as ONTO keeps doing give me signs to watch in order to prepare for the dangers of going outside – what say – the only rad materials left onsite are the ever accumulating batches of leaky water tanks storing highly rad water in the same manner as the storage tanks at Hanford are so successfully accomplishing – time to man up – this has been talked to death

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      This rehashing must continue daily. The nuke industry daily brainwashing everyone that toxic heavy metal poisons millions of times more lethal than arsenic should be an over-the-counter health supplement.

      • papacares papacares

        reminds me of the little rascals episode where spankies dad was tired of corned beef hash every sunday for lunch. nobody could understand why – each of us old timers here have lost numerous family members, friends etc to the curse of Fuku and Hanturd – hash it ok but tell me something new rather than support the next rediculous claim of TEPCO – everything they do is a lie! got that – in the past we who know the truth about nukes have shut down Trojan, Blackstone and Sequoya – where is the outrage? a group of us tried to stop UNESCO from exporting US school children to Fuku and Japan to prove there was no rad risk, yet we failed miserably because not enough people would quit complaining get off their duffs and get active, poor Dana is out there doing the job of a 100 of us while losing his health, wealth and having credibility attacked – the nukers read these comments and are thrilled that so many are griping about what is happening but complacent 27K likes now remember when there was just a few hundred and no progress just constant whining

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The signs to look for are – if you woke up this morning

  • ‘Acceptable risk’ is a better way to think about radiation exposure in Fukushima
    sick story now being touted by Jay Cullen …

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. papacares. TY.

    I was surprised to find in Carlsbad,six months after radiation was vented from the WIPP facility,25 miles SE,that most people there had never heard of WIPP,or had heard of it but didn't know what it was,or knew what they did there,sort of,but didn't think it was a potential danger.

    Poor,poor people. Very sad.

    If the people only knew they….


    • jec jec

      A relative,skis in high altitudes–is now in hospital with multiple blood clots in his legs and lungs. The doctors cant figure out how he managed to get so fast. He was fine before skiing…drove to the location, took helicopter to summit..skied down. Now this. Do you think its possible radiation ?? Hes lives and skis in the Western USA on the coastal area.

  • aunavoz

    Anyone have doubts left that it's gonna be Hillary v. Trump?

  • sentinelle sentinelle

    "dangerous blobs of melted fuel rods, weighing hundreds of tonnes…"

    Trying to visualize this. A tonne is about 2,200 lbs and a ton is 2,000 lbs. An adult elephant can range from about 4 to 7 tonnes. So I guess we can think of about 20 plus elephants would be 100 tonnes. And the blobs weigh hundreds of tons. I imagine the mass of the melted fuel is more condensed than elephants. But these are really huge blobs. Is blob really the right word?

    • sentinelle sentinelle

      …and speak of the elephant in the room,

      "Masuda and Tepco engineers who spoke to the Guardian conceded that they still didn’t know where the fuel is located. 'To be honest, we don’t know exactly where the fuel is.'"

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      It is hard to visualize, Uranium is very dense, near the weight of gold, 1.6 times that of lead.

      11 oz. per cubic inch—about

      1200lbs per cubic foot—about

      So, a cubic yard is about 16 tons/32000lbs

      100tons=6.25cu yds or 170 cubic feet approx.

      So what is 170 cubic feet of volume, that is familiar:

      The inside of a station wagon

      A small bathroom, very small, 5x6x8 feet= 240 cubic feet

      Eye opener, a small bedroom, 10×10…800cu.ft., about 475 tons.

      Yes, we are held hostage by blobs, much smaller than a small bedroom

      That, is insanity.

      And 400 other Nuclear Power Plants?

      • sentinelle sentinelle

        Thank you AirSep! That is exactly what I was looking for. Then the weight of those particles would probably be so heavy that staying airborne or in the upper atmosphere is unlikely.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          sentinelle, I think the microscopic particles of fallout can circle the earth for years.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Yes sir, and once settled, be disturbed again, and again.

            Forever? geez, how stupid we are.

            Every year around Kiev, the rains wash more fallout into the rivers and lakes, enough to measure. 🙁

            Hope you are well CS. Wish you were next door, I'm distilling something, and some water too. haha

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          YW, those, for the most part, are washing into the ocean.

          They have sprayed 'polymers' all over everywhere to hold down dust/particulate so they can work onsite. Does it work? yes, some, or a lot, or none….we'll never know how well.

          They have poured mega-yards of concrete on the site to help as well. So they can work is my guess, and control runoff.

          Absolutely the stupidest thing ever, this junk at sealevel.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Enenews was down. Weirdest thing. about 1/2 hour ago, if I typed it into a search engine, the page would go blank. If I searched anything else it would do a search. I tried Dogpile and Google, after Ixquick did that.

    It was as if SEARCHING for Enenews was down. Then, a bit later it would do the search, but when I clicked the link, the page would not load.

    Right at first, I did a search for "enenews down" I got that page that checks and it said it was down for everyone.

    I would do a search and not only would it not load, the blank page turned yellow.

    I clicked a link on a enenews face book page, and when it connected here, I WAS STILL LOGGED IN. Curious what will happen when I click submit button. here goes…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Back to the topic, maybe they should ask Wade "So what?" Allison what they should do about these inconvenient meltdowns.

  • Total inventory burn 133Xe:


    Decay chain of 133Xe into stable metallic 133Cs:

    Heavy metal TATAL hell we have been breathing since:

    These radio isotopes were electro statically blown from R3 into the ionosphere, where it and the Barium, and Strontium 90, that becomes Zr90 that had already seasoned in many stages of fuel stored in the reactor, has caused QED color changes in sunlight since at noon and at sunrise/sunset there is basically ZERO information on this subject unfortunately. Carl Sagan was correct however, the high spin of these radio isotopes levitate high in the sky for as long as they remain excited.

    Now add the garbage in the upper atmosphere R3 and other fires added to this phenomenon, and you have all we know about what has happened to the QED of the sunlight from Cesium137/134/133, (pink light scatter from inclusion), Strontium90 (light blue sunlight scatter from inclusion) Zr90 (rusty color) U (green) PU (red) 131Iodide (purple). NOTE these are NOT flame burn colors, they are sunlight matter interaction SCATTER colors!

    IMHO most of the fuel was too hot to simply melt, it aerosolized into the atmosphere.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Nuclear Fuel Inventory Of Fukushima Reactors On 3/11/2011

    There were a total of 1496 fuel assemblies in Reactors 1-3:

    1F1 1F2 1F3
    tons of fuel
    69 94 94
    257 t

    Nb assemblies 400 548 548
    Total 1,496
    ≈ 172 kg per assembly×280160

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    What To Do About Fukushima

    Sooner or later, the following is a likely outcome of the Fukushima Disaster:

    Thick walls of reinforced concrete enclosing Units 1-4, extending down to the lower limit of the aquifer, and topped by a sarcophagus.
    Sand or grout will fill corium lava tubes, torus, torus basements, containment, and reactor vessels of Units 1-4.
    Spent fuel goes into dry cask storage yards on-site, from Spent Fuel Pools 1-6, and Common SFP.
    Contaminated water will be treated and dumped into the ocean.
    The harbor will be fully enclosed, with locks to block contamination from reaching the Ocean.
    The entire site will be marked with signs to alert any future sentient visitors of the danger.
    The Pacific Ocean Ecosystem, which is now in the process of collapse, will eventually recover, perhaps 100 million years down the road.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Tokyo will eventually become a ghost city.
      By evacuation.
      By self evacuation.
      By death.
      By mutation.

      The Japanese economy will crash and burn.
      Japan will cease to be a nation, or a people.
      Pretty bleak, huh? 🙁
      But also pretty inevitable, since so little has been accomplished thus far.
      One great big study of the effects of radionuclides on a human population.

    • papacares papacares

      since tepco has told us 4 vaporized the only fuel possibly moved to dry cask storage would be from 5 & 6 yet it appears nothing is being accomplished there at some point probably after the Olympics the site will be abandoned much like Chern. The proud Japanese people will hold on through the most awful of times until all hope is lost and the sad reality becomes apparent their doom is sealed because rather than have their most brilliant and dedicated scientist's work on a solution they had idiot's convince them smiling is the best treatment to overcome rad poisoning because all is well no danger to the public nothing to see here, move on. Our ocean our dear ocean a million years from now recovering so sad to even think in such terms but that is the only fate what can be realized because soon tepco will have to dump everything into it walk away and let the whole thing slowly crumble into the waters, nothing will work or be done to slow down or stop the flow, because the people in charge are convinced there is no real problem – sad – peace out

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        papacares…armed with extensive test data and the ICRP LNT dose model, the World Health Organization can now inform the industry, governments, scientists and public just how bad Fukushima is;

        …According to the W.H.O. study, girls exposed as infants to radioactivity in the most contaminated regions of Fukushima Prefecture have an increased risk of thyroid cancer; from the normal of 0.75 percent, elevated to 1.25 percent life time cancer risk…

        "There would most likely be no observable increase in cancer rates for the general population in Fukushima Prefecture outside the most contaminated zones, in the rest of Japan and the world, the report said. It also said that the radiological fallout from the disaster was not expected to cause increases in miscarriages, stillbirths and other physical or mental disabilities"

        Jiminy Cricket; 'Its bad news for you and me, the ICRP.'

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Buesseler says in this paper, that we can size up the danger of Fukushima by comparing to background levels; Safe to swim in the Fukushima discharge channels! The ICRP must go!

          'With respect to dose effects on humans, at a level approaching 100 000 Bq m–3 for 134Cs and 137Cs found at the Dai-ichi discharge channels in June the dose due to direct exposure during human immersion in the ocean can be calculated to be 1 μSv d–1, and would be at least a factor of 10 lower if on a ship above and not in direct contact with the water. This is insignificant relative to the average dose from all sources to the Japanese population of about 1.5 mSv yr–1. This low dose should not be surprising, as levels of the most abundant naturally occurring radionuclide in the oceans, potassium-40, are comparable to 137Cs offshore, with typical ocean value of 12 000 Bq m–3. Levels of 137Cs in June and July at Dai-ni and Iwasawa Beach of 4000 to 10 000 Bq m–3 were comparable to permissible drinking water limits for 137Cs,'

          • mon ami

            Thiw is just silly talk. Non radioactive Cesium , strontium , and uranium are toxic in there own rights. The radioisotopes have the same chemical toxicities as the non radioactive cesium, strontium, and uranium. Cesium 134 and cesium 137 have the same chemical toxicity as thallium and non radioactive cesium . They did not exist in the evironmentso much until npps blasts until industrial accidents like this at fukushima. I do not know why this guy is obsessed or fixated with getting irradiated when swimming in the ocean. There are high concentrations of rcesium around tokyo and belarus. People are bioaccumulating it from food and water. There was and still is mercury in sea food. Now there is rcesium and rstrontium and many trace radioactive heavy metals in sea food as well. They all have toxicities at very low concentrations outside of their inherent radioactivity. They can irradiate internally to break dna and chromosones as well as causing damage from their inherent chemical toxicities as mNmade industrial pollutants that dis not exist till people started setting of nuclear bombs and building nuclear power plants.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              heavy metal toxicity is but one of many reasons that the ICRP linear no threshold dose model is a failure. Yet it is the scientific standard. What good does it do to tell the NOAA that they are just talking crazy talk? Chances are those people BELIEVE in their science. I can see the dialogue now; "your crazy" …"no, YOUR crazy" …"i know you are but what am I?"

              The ICRP dose model must be gotten rid of!

        • mon ami

          The throid cancer and abnormalities are from being exposed to iodone 129 and 131 not from some mythical giant pices of cobalt 60 somewhere dorko

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            mon ami…I take it you are calling me dorko. OK, if enough follow suit, Ill change my moniker from Code Shutdown to Dorko, thanks.

            No dount their risk models factor in the decay…the half life, and they consider I-131 all but gone and therefor not a hazard.

            Mon ami, you have to realize that its not ME that is giving these insanely positive spin predictions about Fukushima effects, its the WHO with all their simulations and relying on the ICRP model. So by all rights, dont you think you should be calling the WHO dorko? I mean really, is that where your at? Its mainstream science you should be fighting, not me. Sorry you cant make the distinction

          • mon ami

            Internal accumulation of rcesium riodine uranium etc have nothing to do with icrp or lnd dose models. this guy and buessler And  cullen and others are   just playing three card monte with you to get you to take your eye off the real problem. the inherent toxicities of the idustrial poisons that are flooding the earth. They poison chitin formation in marine creatures  and insects and biocummulate as mercury has done for years.  They also damage dna and chromosone when trapped in the body as strontium and uranium are in the bones and cesium can be in soft tissue and fat. Here how about a helping some glow in the dark cesium dirt from tokyo


            • DUDe DUD

              "..And cullen and others are just playing three card monte with you to get you to take your eye off the real problem. the inherent toxicities of the INDUSTRIAL (((aka manmade right ?))) poisons that are flooding the earth…"

              I think you are mistaken if you think Code is folled in that matter..

            • mon ami

              Why argue about complicated dosing models for ionizing radiation like gamma rays from explosions and the like when toxic chemical are spewing everywhere and building up to toxic levels with known toxicity thresholds in places like belarus and tokyo? Tetraethyl lead causes neurological sx at .5 mg/kg. cesium 137 causes heavy cardiac toxicity at about 15.34e-10 mg/kg as verified by epidemiological studies by dr conrad miller

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                mon ami, the reason to fight the standard dose model should be obvious; its the tool IN USE by all agencies of science to determine the hazards of nuclear. Many of the reasons you cite for its failure are precisely why it should not be used!

                Ill try to make an analogy; say the global environmental agencies had a tool called the plant spray no threshold linear dose model. All plant sprays, regardless of they are DDT or neonicotinoids or ground up chrysanthemums…and this model contained extensive modifiers for organs and some for the chemical type etc. And it turned out that all the bees were dying and plants and everything and weeds were taking over. I say get rid of your plant spray model! You come in and say thats stupid dorko, let them have their model, the problem is that they arent taking into account fat accumulation, this that and the other thing. I look back at you sort of stunned and say…isnt that what Im talking about? their dosimetry/toxicity model is flawed science, kill it!

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              mon ami…dorko here; you list the same and a few more reasons why the dose effects standard IN USE around the world…the ICRP lnt model…is a failure. Yet its the one being used. They get closer, and actually cover some of the organ specific effects with their committed equivalent dose, and committed effective dose,
              but it matters not! The model is based upon the idea that you can group all radioisotopes together under the heading of 'radiation' and by applying some adjustment factors, turn the becquerel into a kind of risk assessment metric that has a linear dose effect. This is an insidious scheme because it somehow appeals to the simple minds of our scientists and public, yet is bogus science!

              The actual fight is getting rid of the official dose models, halting the comparison of background to fallout radiation, and getting on with real science…meanwhile having shut down all power plants.

              • mon ami

                well sorry for calling ya dorko. all of these industrial chemicals have very low toxicity thresholds oustide from their inherent radioactivity when absorbed internally which is becoming more and more the case.

                • mon ami

                  Natural uranium is toxic in high enough concenrations. To get those concentrations requires industrial manipulation so it is quite rare on earth to have even untreated radionucleides that are strong poisons. Regular cesium, strontium, thallium, arsenic, were not so prevalant till humans came along and started poisoning everything.

                  • mon ami

                    when nucleoapes like buesseler throw bqs at you, just use mg/kg toxicity thresholds at them like from dr millers cesium studies. We know radionucleides are very toxic when absorbed internally like the guy fro doa who got oded with radium in the 1950s film noir doa and had 24 hours to find his killer. Like the russian dosed with a minute amount of polonium. I agree with code about the icrp as being propaganda. It is also one reason why so called scientist people lowball damage from fukushima. so many blatant lies propaganda red herrings and obfuscations for so long

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      mon ami, earlier you implied you had perhaps a list of radioisotopes and their internal dose toxicity derived from test and epidemiology. It would be useful!

                      The problem of simply stipulating mg/kg toxicity is that the boys are adept at converting radiation to quantity of source material. Since the measured levels are well below safety standards, you know that they consider these highly toxic substances to have diluted to safe levels….and you are again losing an argument. If you argue that they can re-concentrate, or that the average deposition is in the form of highly radioactive hot particles, you simply are arguing the case that their safety model is bogus and should not be used. Its the ICRP models that ALLOW all this pollution to go on, for them to declare the disasters as safe. Many…even most…believe their own failed science. Thats a BIG problem! Better to fight the model than calling them idiots, idiots though they may be

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Code you really should try to put your theory in a complete and bug-free but widely understandable shape and put it somewhere where you can link to let it spread from there..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DUD, Busby et al lead the fight against the ICRP. I try to make it simple "ICRP is not for me, cause Im no fool" but it seldom takes hold.

                      Busby's group apparently keeps the K-40 toxicity standard, but this is not based on direct science, only the same tired and all too often wrong extrapolation.

                      My fight against the K-40 comparison Is my own contribution, and vehemently opposed around here I might add.

                      Its the biggest PR win. If we could get that damn background comparison meme out of the way, at least we wouldnt have to work uphill trying to explain why doses of radiation 1/000 the natural appear to be causing the pacific ocean genocide.

                      I tried valiantly to simplify these concepts to their minimum; 70 bq/kg is natures standard and has not mutated the world away, but 70 mg/kg of fallout IS mutating and killing the planet in one lifetime. But this didnt appeal, it seems to only cause people to blank out, as if somehow it couldnt be true. So firmly entrenched is the subconscious idea that a becquerel MUST be some measurement of toxicity!

                      One must WORK to dig this assumption out of the mind. Potassium turns out to be the perfect tool because there is a lot of it and the specific frequency, medium and quantity of it may be an essential ingredient to life on earth. Alas, only the open minded can catch this

                    • mon ami

                      15e-10 for rcesium is an ultraminute quantity. I haven't said idiot about nucleoapes, I have implied nothing about whether i have any threshold toxicity values hey are put there though.Gave you one example for cesium and an example for tetraethyl lead though. You can find values if you do the research. There are conversion factors to change bq to gm concentrations. There are also mass spectrometers.

                      You can bet that whoever poisoned the russian knew what the mass concentration of whatever polonium compound he used was fatal to kill the russian.

                      The ICRP model is based on exposure to externally generated by ionizing radiation which is a false premise from the get-go. In places like tokyo and belarus the industrial poisons like rcesium and riodine are obviously not diluted enough anymore to be below threshold toxicity. Why argue with nucleoapes about a rigged models that is about the price of tea in china instead of about all those kids in belarus with cardiac defects with measurable amounts of r cesium bioaccumulated in their bodies in areas where it is easy to measure cesium 134 and 137 in the environment?

                      I am not here to agrandize any contibutions or insights I have. Just the facts. One of the reasons you get lies like know one was killed at chernobly is the iaec and who use of icrp models. Same for lowball estimates and epidemiological lies like farleigh

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      for reference, it could be pointed out that the sievert system allows for about a 20 times variation in radiation toxicity depending on type, and about 200x depending on organ. Of course they go to some detail. They admit to the bystander effect, VERY non linear! A 20x variation in say oxygen, ionizing in its reactions…goes from healthy and indispensable to deadly

                    • DUDe DUD

                      "..I try to make it simple "ICRP is not for me, cause Im no fool" but it seldom takes hold.."

                      Yeaah Code , i ment "understandable" not "parrotable" LOL

                      And with "bugfree" i mean on one side complete with every counterargument incalculated/worked out , and on the other side digestable by the human mind..inviting to explore/ponder about , not putting of by complexity or hidden sarcasme or such..

                      Aim highschool level/psyche/innocence

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The ICRP has modifiers for consumption of radiation…food etc

                      bottom line is this; science needs to look at why low to zero levels of measured radiation is killing the ocean and mutating the animals instead of if those levels can do any harm according to their extrapolated model. Simple as that

                      They simply cant believe that ZERO radiation dose can produce deadly effects, yet we already know of two ways which are admitted to. Its a problem of the mind

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Good DUD. I should be perfect for the job because I AM at the high school level of intelligence/psyche/innocence

                    • mon ami

                      Again this guy dodges and uses really silly high school debatetactics he would get called for . He want rational arguement. This is no ego game for me about my grand, magnificent , wonderful theory of k40 and an old rigged external ionizing radiation exposure model the nucleoapes have used for years to justify detonating open air nuclear bombs and nuclear waste .
                      .They have used the icrp dilution model to use nuke bombs to frack gas from shale in co nv and new mexico to build npps. After a while these nuclear industrial chemicals, which are super toxic, become concentrated enough as to where dilution does not hide their toxicity any more and no one can avoid intaking them internally. The amount of rcesium in the environment in belarus is high enough to cause direct cardiaC damage in 85 percent of the children in belarus. I am tired of the cs gutterball tactics and him trying to get his buddies to defer away from rational facts. Very strange. Cannot tell if it is an ego trip or something else.

                      Im through here.

                    • mon ami

                      For some people this is a game. For the children in fukushima belarus it is not.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      listen up mon ami, Ill fight nuclear my way and you fight it your way, are you ok with that?

                      If you keep nagging at my heels I feel more than justified to use your own words of slander and hurl them back your way; dorko, ego trip, gutterball tactics. I can tell now that you wouldnt know a rational fact if it hit you broad side in the face. You ARE LACKING in basic understanding of nuclear, so Back off jack! Hey, go hound GOM or Sadie, why dont you? Huh? Huh?

                      most of my points were valid and useful, only the fools cant see it.

                    • SadieDog

                      Oh code, you don't like someone nagging at ypur heels for no reason? Wah!

                    • SadieDog

                      Hypocritical bullshit! People talk for hours here, agreeing and disagreeing. They talk things nuclear and things off topic. Then some asshole like you shows up and must ruin everything. You start off with immature insults and playground bully tactics, when all day adults have been talking without them. Just go back in the comments and look. You intentionally want to throw a wrench in the works and cause problems. You can call me what you like but you can't deny that. No OT post could ever do as much damage and disruption as you do with your childish attacks. Why?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      its one thing for you to discredit yourself, but quite another to discredit mine and the rest of ENEnews. You claim you arent a troll but its a perfect troll scheme; appear to be on the same side, in this case, against a government/nuclear cartel and everything that surrounds it, then make the place look like a lunatic asylum for the fringe. Either you did this damage intentionally or unintentionally, either way it doesnt look good, does it? As for mon ami, that person ran after my heals slinging dirt, not the other way

                    • mon ami

                      Rcesium, restrontium, uranium, plutonium and a whole plethoria of radionucleides and industrial poisons have been bioaccumulating in the air, dirt, water and now enough in the oceans to have noticable effects. It appears that there is enough rcesium and other radionucleides in the ocean to poison chitin producing krell, which then bioaccummulates from bottom to top in ocean ecology. Cesium 137 is a major byproduct of nuclear waste decay, bombs and accidents like fukushima. 80 percent of fukushimas initial tremendous toxic relesse went into the pacific ocean. Busby and gunderson have acknowledeged that "The Fukushima mega nuclear disaster dwarfs Chernobyl. Why? THREE reactors melted down and through at Fukushima, compare8d to only ONE at Chernobyl. Three or more spent fuel pools dried out, and then burned their contents at least partially, with one containing MOX fuel."
                      There was already great contamination of the pacific before this.

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Code , you are way smarter then me , so much that i sometimes at a loss of what's the fine point your communicating..
                      I did not mean to offend you , i just posted what i thought you maybe did not think about..i'm frustrated With you..that your point that i think is valid is not taking off..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      mon ami, nothing you say above is new for me, therefor I dont know why you write it, here in this exchange. I initiated the chitin as biopolymer ion exchange resin concept. I have consistently looked for data on how serious the accident is. We looked at the spent fuel pools extensively, given our limitations.

                      But can you back up your assertions with data? Do you have figures on how much radioactive heavy metals are in the sea lions and whales or anything, and if its below or above official safety standards? Why dialogue with me, Im not for it. Thanks

                    • SadieDog

                      Code, you're insane. You initiated this. It's like clockwork. Why don't you try not fucking with people in your initial posts every day? If anyone has no respect for the free flow of ideas here, it is you. Everyone can see that. Like I said people talk all day and don't have personal problems until you get here and include another enenewser in your post. Usually, a negative or provocative inclusion. I'm not discrediting enenews, I'm calling a spade a spade. You, for some reason, try to instigate problems here. And, once again, you started this shit.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DUD you have wisdom, more important than 'smarts'. I always enjoy your posts, thanks. Dont overestimate my three pound ape brain. Im just having a stab at the problem. I come at it from an artists/ musicians point of view. I live in the moment like theres no tomorrow and no yesterday, simply because Im unable to make a plan for my future and my memory is shot.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Sadie, mon ami comes after me here (link below) with some pejoratives and quickly escalates to 'dorko'…in your vernacular that means 'some asshole like you'. Thus your assertions are wrong. Here…fill in the RIGHT commenters name and win bonus points; "—-name here—-you're insane. You initiated this. It's like clockwork. Why don't you try not fucking with people in your initial posts every day?


                      a troll by any other name….

                    • mon ami

                      Everything this guy said in his last post was about ego.
                      March 16, 2016 at 10:11 pm
                      mon ami, nothing you say above is new for me, therefor I dont know why you write it, here in this exchange. I initiated the chitin as biopolymer ion exchange resin concept. I have consistently looked for data on how serious the accident is. We looked at the spent fuel pools extensively, given our limitations.

                      But can you back up your assertions with data? Do you have figures on how much radioactive heavy metals are in the sea lions and whales or anything, and if its below or above official safety standards?

                      'You know nothing about nuclear'
                      "nothing you say is new to me"
                      "I said this about chitin"
                      What is the deal here? Do you expect people to pay you for posting? Do people have to call you up and give you money everytime you make a grand k40 post or post about external radiation and icrp models? That is where the icrp lnt model is most flawed is with internal bioaccumulation. Rcesium has an affinity for cardiac tissue like regular cesium and thallium do so it attacks cardiac tissues. Go write a book about it or start a blog as people have prompted others to do here. When a person gets a high enough dose of rcesium in them they have cardiac damage as Dr Miller has proven as dr caldicott speaks about. Gosh so arrogant.

                    • mon ami

                      No it has degenerated into troll baiting.What a high horse and narcissistic ego trip this guy is on. Said i was sorry. Im through

                    • DUDe DUD

                      My two cents on the bickering..

                      Those with a proven past record of trolling or deliberate insulting should be the last ones giving in to the urge to police others..i remember some came in as new posters flaming in all directions..things like that are not forgotten or worked away that easely..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      mon ami, you might have a point…if you had made your post at some other place…but you didnt, it was specifically (and with some scrolling effort) placed as a response of some kind in our dialogue. You seem to be fighting a fight that Im not the least interested in.

                      Whats your problem? I have a simple solution: Do not follow up any of my posts or tag onto them and I wont follow up any of yours. That should end it all I think.

                      I dont particularly care what facet of the subject you want to chew on or how you chew it. Likewise, why so much negative judgement on my take?

                      review the (long in the tooth) thread and see who is unleashing the judgement and name calling.

                      Again, I beseech you to live and let live. Since we butt heads and since I have no interest in it or your personal quest, just back off and talk to the others. Please….and thanks!

                    • mon ami

                      The thing about people with a heart is they are not on ego trips. They dont keep lists. They dont throw their interpretation of the past in peoples faces. Troll baiting and troll chasing really screws things up here. No need for it.
                      This is By Dr. Conrad Miller from a green road Dr Goodhearts site. Dr Miller extrapolated his toxicological conclusions from extensive epidemiological data from bandazevsky and others from children in belarus effected by the high leveles of rcesium spewed from chernobyl that were mixed in with the soil water and environment in belarus with aggitation came to uniformily conatminate a large swath of belarus.EATING 10 Bq/kg RADIATION CONTAMINATED FOOD, BUILDS UP TO 1,400 Bq/kg INTERIOR RADIATION IN 3 YEARS
                      Dr. Miller explains how if a person eats food on a regular basis that is contaminated with as little as 10 Bq/Kg, it accumulates in the body and is NOT excreted quickly as the pro nuclear advocates claim. Instead the Cesium for example, builds up over time until the levels reach 1,400 Bq/Kg in as little as 3 years.

                      It only takes 10 Bq/Kg in the human body to cause health problems according to Dr. Miller, and 50 Bq/Kg will cause irreversible lesions and heart problems.

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Nobody is perfect Code , i know i'm not..Thank's for the compliment and..
                      Yes this sounds plausible.."..I come at it from an artists/ musicians point of view.." overly creative in the linguistic part sometimes..? Too many trees in the forest..;)

                    • mon ami

                      there are 88 curies/gm of cesium137
                      there are 37 billion bq/curie
                      88 curies×37bq/curie=3.26e11 bq of cesium137
                      millers calc is 50bq/kg causes heart defects
                      10bq ÷ 3.26e11 bq of cs 137 is equal to
                      3.07×10^-10gm/kg is the gm mass of cs 137 that will cause heart defects. It is as simple as that csd.
                      multiply that by 5 for 50 bq/kg toxicity and you get 15.35e-10gm / kg toxicity of cesium 137

                    • SadieDog

                      Does that mean you will take your own advice? 'do not follow up on any of my posts'. So, will you mind your own biz from now on? Will you stop making sarcastic, instigating posts? Wow, you really have some nerve to say such a thing. Hypocrite much?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      not gonna give it up eh Mon ami? I will leave you with this then; is 70 bq/kg of constant internal radiation of any health concern at all?

                      You didnt mention the isotope, just 50 bq/kg will cause irreversible lesions…

                      70 bq/kg is healthy or not, depending on radioisotope. So next time, you might include it.

                      Now if its OK with you, lets put an end to this thread and future frapple between us, thanks

                    • SadieDog

                      6 hours of bullshit arguing. Thanks, code.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Sadie, I will gladly leave ENEnews and not return, just say the word. My input could not possibly be worth the angst it causes the likes of you and mon ami.

                      Thanks, I await your decision

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Oh ffs , don't let that depend on him..

                    • SadieDog

                      I've never asked anyone to leave. Don't play reverse-psych games. Youre making yourself look even more pathetic. Do you think the ppl here will buy your crybaby routine now? Your really insulting this site now. Just stop fucking with people. Don't start shit, and there won't be no shit. Grow up.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Sadie, actually I am giving you the call. You seem the most irritated. You think Im an asshole who constantly interrupts and now its so easy for you to end this constant needless irritation. Im giving you the lever, all you have to do is pull it, its so easy. What do you care? I wouldnt do it if I was determined to stay here, but what I find is much the same as when I left a month ago. If I continued to have an urge, maybe I could comment on stocks site or something. This isnt the only saloon in town

                    • SadieDog

                      Please stop. That's all. This is ridiculous and nobody wants to wade through it. Just leave people alone. You post in peace and let others do the same, please. Of you don't wish this to occur, don't instigate it. Others don't do this. Stay, just please stop.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      awe cmon Sadie (I look just like Jack Nicholson as the Joker), I gave you the power to save Gotham city from the insane., sarcastic, instigating Troll baiting and troll chasing (joke right? cant bait a troll if there isnt one to bait!) high horse and narcissistic ego trip, fucking with people in his initial posts every day, who starts off with immature insults and playground bully tactic, dodges and uses really silly high school debatetactics he would get called for… Some Hypocritical bullshit asshole like me who shows up and must ruin everything. Thats right Sadie, I have you the power but you were too chicken shit to pull the lever. HELLO GOTHAM, THE JOKER IS HERE TO STAY!
                      then I spray some potassium chloride in your face from a flower on my vest…

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      And your invaluable insight was sorely missed, Code. There is yet nay a brighter lamp in this room.

                      "Such is the nature of the beast."

                • mon ami

                  CSD called me a fool, said i know nothing of nuclear, and asked me for concentrations of heavy metals of and radionucleides in dead and dying seals and whales. He knows full well that buesseler, cullen, the establishment, the government refuses to test for those toxins in sick and dying animals though there is plenty of scientific data about heavy metal and even uranium toxicity in mammals out there. That is a lowball tactic and it begs the question.
                  I appologized for saying dorko about his implication that thyroid cancers in areas with iodine 129 and 131 exposures are not linked to the radioactive iodine itself.

                  Csd finally resorted to
                  calling me a troll so that his posse could come in and chase me off as if nothing i said is valid. I want to put principals ahead of personalities. It is not an ego trip or an image trip for me. Troll baiting just sucks.

                  Erin Brockvitch had to fight like hell to get anyone to listen to her about hexavalent chromium. Dr Miller and Helen Caldicott have to fight like hell to get anyone to listen to the fact that great swaths of belaruss are so heavily contaminated with verifiable amounts of cesium 137 that 85% of the children in belarus have bioaccumulated enough cesium 137 to have cardiac damage from it regardless of any icrp model or background radiation.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        In 2050, the mainstream media will say, " There were Olympics in Japan in 2020. If Fukushima was so bad, they would not have been able to do that, now isn't that right?"

        Boycott the Tokyo 2020 Olympics.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Through hubris, greed, and ignorance of the facts, we are approaching terminal velocity.

    Looks like nuclear will go out with a bang.

    Just push the button stupid.

    One way or another. Please deposit all change.

    Hope is as worthless as their words.

    Good luck and thanks for killing all the fish…

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Through Hope and the terminal facts, Looks we are approaching greed velocity.

      One way is ignorance or all killing like another with hubris will go out a bang. fish as worthless as… Please deposit their stupid nuclear words.

      push button, Good luck and thanks for all the change.

  • Nick

    (put your coffee cup down before reading)

    …. Now visualize the hell below…

    ….I am certain that some of the awol reactor cores ¨dusted¨ and got flushed away, separating from the corium mass..

    Besides look at TMI (far worse than you probably are aware of to this day!)

    Given their personal experiences, the Thompsons warn that we may be fooling ourselves into believing nuclear power is safer than evidence and history suggest.

    "Once you realize how deep and broad the realignment of facts about TMI has been, it becomes really pretty amazing," Randall Thompson says. "I guess that's what it takes to protect this industry."

  • Nick


    ¨the onset and continuance of such high readings from detectors in the vicinity of the bottom of the reactor vessel pointed to a “relocation” of a considerable part of the fuel. But as no one could imagine that a considerable part of the fuel had melted, there was no plausible explanation for how such a “relocation” could have taken place.

    The “relocation” hypothesis was so much at variance with the tendency of nuclear power plant engineers and operators to take at every stage an overly optimistic view of the seriousness of the damage to the core, that relocation was not accepted until finally it could be seen by video cameras some six years after it had occurred. And even when seen and accepted as fact, the conclusion that it had poured down molten was not drawn.

    Nothing but speculation was possible without inspection of the interior of the reactor pressure vessel. The first step in this direction, entrance into the containment building, was not possible until—more than a year after the accident and amid great but unwarranted public outcries—the radioactive krypton gas, which had been released from the ruptured fuel rods and had accumulated in the sealed containment building, was exhausted into the atmosphere.¨

    I have a hunch that relocation of nuclear fuel also is happening at Fukushima…to where?

    Ofcourse much of the air-borne stuff is now in you and in me as well!

    • The plan is to use humans as radiation sponges to soak up all of the relocated radioactive heavy metals that got away from Fukushima without signing the official permission forms.

      Any illegal heavy metal radioactive hot particles found in the US, either inside or outside of US citizens, will need to be turned into the Immigration authorities or the police.


  • RT News Founder Mikhail Lesin Beaten To Death In US Hotel Room, But Police Said Cause Of Death Was Heart Attack; No Official Murder Investigation, Police Claim There Was No 'Foul Play'

    He probably beat himself to death with the furniture in his hotel room, right?


    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. Dr. Goodheart. TY. Great research and reporting,as always.

      Headline could read,"Mikail Lesin Beaten to Death for Continually Exposing the Truth."

      Sure a lot of death going around these days.

      Remember Antonin Scalia? Newspaper said,"Heart Attack". Awesome guess.


  • Sol Man

    Yes, the mostly vaporized inventory, as referenced in the comments above; it extinguishes the life force. We see its affects reported all around. It is only because of the taxpayers mandated support of the industry that people can be in favor of this life-ending stuff.

    Pandora's box is fully opened. If we want to do something positive (life-affirming) for the future we must shut all of these aging things down- yesterday.

  • tarpitboss tarpitboss

    I maintain a quiet, perhaps insane and unwarranted degree of hope that the right circumstances and information will come together soon to invent the technology that we can use to get the heavy metals, radioactive and not, out of the environment. I've suggested on this forum that Paul Stamitz' mushroom chemistry, with its ability to capture these materials, is a hint that they can be captured from the environment AND removed from our bodies. But do we have time and the public or private will, manifested by funding, to do this? Time is short. Don't give up. What else is there to do?

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      It is nice to have hope and/but the truth is the Earth is in the process of dying and it has all been caused by mans' progress agendas and his creativity.

      When you lose almost 50% of your large animal wildlife on the planet in less than 40 years and then you have reports of 50% of the remaining animals in the form of humans being diagnosed with a form of cancer you have all information needed to understand the planet's death process.

      We are in the process of exterminating this planet and all of it is being caused by the Zeitgeist Matrix now in place for the last 2000 years which promotes greed at all turns within the design.

      Earth will pass and be void of all life in less than 500 years…says he. 🙁

    • GOM GOM

      .. Fuel rod
      A long, slender, zirconium metal tube containing pellets of fissionable material, which provide fuel for nuclear reactors. Fuel rods are assembled into bundles …

      ..Fuel Fabrication
      Depending on the type of light water reactor, a fuel assembly may contain up to 264 fuel rods and have dimensions of 5 to 9 inches square by about 12 feet long.

      .. Spent Fuel Pools
      Spent Fuel Generation & Storage After Use … The water-pool option involves storing spent fuel assemblies under at least 20 feet of water, …

      ..Reactor core
      The central portion of a nuclear reactor, which contains the fuel assemblies, moderator, neutron poisons, control rods, and support structures. The reactor core is where fission takes place.

      ..Core melt accident
      An event or sequence of events that result in the melting of part of the fuel in the reactor core.

      ..Containment structure
      A gas-tight shell or other enclosure around a nuclear reactor to confine fission products that otherwise might be released to the atmosphere in the event of an accident. Such enclosures are usually dome-shaped and made of steel-reinforced concrete.

      Core melt accident
      An event or sequence of events that result in the melting of part of the fuel in the reactor…

      • GOM GOM

        Mushroom therapy for Earth's survival..Really? Groovy baby groovy.
        Then this is for you..

        • DUDe DUD

          Troll mode today GOM ?

          • Sure making us look like a fringe site……

          • GOM GOM

            Troll mode? Childish at best. By implying that's its utterly ridiculous that one could even suggest, on a supposed anti-nuke site no less, that the massively irradiated world could be saved with fcking mushrooms?Or some bacteria from said mushrooms.
            It implies that radiation is somehow cleanable. Something one can get rid of easily. That's the impression it gives. The state and fate of the world is dire. All due to nuclear, big industry, and military.
            Mushroom therapy for a dying Earth.. Good Grief.

            • DUDe DUD

              Then go hang yourself and get of my back. I don't give a flying fidle about what you think is valuable opinion and the way you express that , before understanding what i'm talking about.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              multiple nuclear plant melt downs/explosions is certainly dire. That said, the best chance of remediation lies in natural forces.

              Sequestration by settling, ash from volcanoes, washing by rain (where it settles about 10 km out to sea)…and…plants and microbes.

              We dont know all the ways that nature may remediate from nuclear fallout. Sunflowers have been used for this purpose as they have a high uptake. Of course the concentrated source in lichen, mushroom and sunflower is now a new hazard. Only by observing and working with nature do we have a chance. Natural forces overwhelm human forces in magnitude and detail.

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Chaga, reishi, shitake, cordyceps, more for cancer treatment is receiving much attention.

          Fungus? growing inside nuclear reactor core? Nature's way?

          Might even get the nuclear industry involved, but we'd have to show the idiots videos like this:

          • DUDe DUD

            I'm in windows at the moment so i can't click links to youtube..because my linux wont make a connection at all..
            So i answer without knowing what you posted uni.

            My interest stems from that we are at the mercy of an industry that came in to being solely to destroy life on the most massive scale..and convieneintly forgot to create a solution for the accident's and damage that logically would occur with what it was developing..

            That stuff spreads in the environment..penetrating everything..microparticles assasinating everything it comes in contact with..TATAL like forever..cumulating..

            Warprofiteering interest's , politics and a genocidal agenda prevent the population's concern's to be heard..

            So another thing left to focus on is staying alive and maintaining a certain quality of life as long as possible..

            The litle murder's keep cumulating and spreading.
            If we wanne develop an understanding how to suck it back out..we better look at nature..for master chemistry lesson's..

            Maybe if we can isolate the most succesfull processes that are still around to show us..still..

            We can mimic and with added energy like solar panels maybe we can find a way to do it on a big scale..if so every house can hook up a radsucker on his solarpanels to clean the air and maybe water inside..

            Just trying to maintain a glimpse of hope as long as we are alive and have a brain to ponder about solutions..

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              I posted a video, "Bananas Are Losing the War on Fungus." Cavendish Bananas are the bananas we eat most, and fungus is going to wipe them out, the way things are going.

              The nuclear idiots think fuel rods are like bananas, so it was a sarcastic sales pitch

          • GOM GOM

            Get the nuclear industrial complex involved with healing mushrooms? What are you people smoking? I am detecting some sort of normalcy bias here? With a twist? Fungus in reactors? If a lurker were reading this, they would never come back.

            NEVER FORGET
            NEVER FORGIVE

            • DUDe DUD

              Why don't you focus on your own contributions , instead of looking for a fight.


              NEVER CHANGE

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Millions of Sunflowers Soak Up Nuclear Radiation in Fukushima

              Phytoremediation: Using Plants to Clean Soil
              Overall, phytoremediation has great potential for cleaning up toxic metals, pesticides, solvents, gasoline, and explosives.
              It is said that Sunflowers can remove 95% of the radiation in soil in 20 days.

              • DUDe DUD

                Thanks Code , Hemp has also being reported as a excellent cleaner..

                • DUDe DUD

                  Wel yes aunavoz thx
                  Uptake by plants could be also a way to get it in to solid mass..for later when we can disperge it with an explosion into deep space..
                  Volume is a problem , but algae can be dried..

                  "..When Hiroki Shimura, a research associate at the University of Yamanashi's Faculty of Medicine, and coworkers conducted an experiment using radioactive water sampled in Fukushima Prefecture, the algae removed 80 percent of radioactive strontium and 40 percent of cesium in 10 minutes. It is thought that the algae's secretions, which stick to their cell walls, absorb and retain the radioactive substances.

                  Yukawa said the binos algae can easily be multiplied in a culture because their cells divide fast. They may also help to lessen the amount of post-decontamination waste because the algae lose about 90 percent in weight when dried. Yukawa hopes to cooperate with other enterprises in the future to help treat radioactive water and decontaminate farmland and residential quarters using the algae.."

                  • DUDe DUD

                    Just brainstorming here..

                    Plants sucking it out of the ground..then grind the plants and concentrate further with algae..then dry them and shoot and disperse..

                    And the rest we try ourself with technollogy mimicking nature and maybe some other even more efficient way comes along..

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Then when the limit is reached of what the plants take out of soil..shrooms to put it deeper underground..

                    • mon ami

                      And then the plants and mushrooms have the radionucleides in them and i will say picking the plants and mushrooms and burning them will make the radiation and poisoning worse. Inhalation is a bad way to absorb poisons because they go into the blood and the rest of the body.

                    • DUDe DUD

                      "..and i will say picking the plants and mushrooms and burning them will make the radiation and poisoning worse…"

                      Yes thank you but you misunderstood , no burning allowed in my picture.. i'm talking about storing the radioactive concentrate of dried algae (radioactiveplantmatter –> dried algae)untill we can schoot it into space and at a far enough distance disperge with an one-sided explosion away from us in to deep space..after a few lightyears spreading open it should be rendered pretty harmless when it finally touches something..

                      ".. Inhalation is a bad way to absorb poisons because they go into the blood and the rest of the body.."

                      And cumulate.. filters toxins..

                      i'm trying to put it to good use..

                    • aunavoz

                      Dud .. it could be used first on all the tanks of contaminated water at fuku .. prior to just letting them leak or dumping them into ocean .. as well.

                      Water could be filtered off and then the alga could be dehydrated and buried as light weight waste ..

                      Not an engineer .. but who knows eh?

                      Just another thought .. or what if they pumped the spores (or however alga make babies) into the reactor coolant water?

                      Thanks ..

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Not an engineer either aunavoz , i'm just trying to figure out some idea's that could work for those that are..and hope they work it out further..our education system main focus is creating specialist's..their victims we depend on can use a litle wider real world view of opportunities..

                      Just another thought .. or what if they pumped the spores (or however alga make babies) into the reactor coolant water?

                      I doubt they would multyply/grow..and the water/soil/medium needs to be dilluted to be survivable at all to begin with..
                      And i believe there are around 2000 manmade un-natural isotopes to deal with..lots of research ahead..but without making a start we get nowhere..and nature is still around to teach us the basics..

                  • DUDe DUD

                    "..and the water/soil/medium needs to be dilluted to be survivable at all to begin with.."

                    To live long enough to do the job i mean..

                    • DUDe DUD

                      So without stopping Fukushima and nuclear in general during the process of finding way's to make the planet liveable again..

                      There wont be enough fresh water to keep diluting..

                      Humanity still has the problem that it needs to kick it's own 4ss in to awareness..

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  yes aunavoz, and an impressive absorption for strontium!

                  veering a little….
                  In fact plankton are good at absorption…they die and fall to the bottom. The ocean is considered one huge exploitable food bucket with mud at the bottom, also useful as a universal dump. and the powers are no doubt counting on plankton kills to clean up the water. A tiny minority think of the ocean as an ecosystem, a living entity, source of oxygen and life for all earth and worthy of being treated as a sovereign kingdom of power and mystery. Yet, here we are, having used it as a toilet and worse, so the plankton and algae will/must be sacrificed. Man will learn this lesson; "its even more exploitable than we thought, kaching!"

                  • aunavoz

                    Code .. strontium is the one thing that they do not have an effective method for filtration of waste water .. yes?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Aunavoz, the algae study is a great find, thanks for sharing it in this conversation. Its use is practically unlimited. If only they could stop the leaks, the ocean would start to clean itself up, even at the sacrifice of life.
                      "the algae removed 80 percent of radioactive strontium"

                    • DUDe DUD

                      "..If only they could stop the leaks, the ocean would start to clean itself up, even at the sacrifice of life.."

                      Indeed , thats how planetairy life takes care of itself/the whole.. but we still need to help BIG TIME ,
                      with all our technollogical powers we posses,
                      because the timespan it operates at is to slow for one survive..

            • SadieDog

              GOM, I know you mean well and aren't a troll, but I posted stuff about mushrooms absorbing radiation a long time ago. We have to look for solutions wherever they may be. Nature may just have a fix to save us. What's wrong with looking at something that could offer some remediation, even if it doesn't solve everything?

              • tarpitboss tarpitboss

                SadieDog, Thank you! That was the intend gist of my original post above. The biochemistry of mushroom heavy metal absorption can be isolated, juiced up, powered by artificial photosyntheses and deployed in massive fractal structures designed to collect and isolate the bad stuff. The pessimism on this site is most certainly understandable and at the therapeutic level it does need expression. BUT what about the solutions??? How about creating some science fiction-level scenarios that could stimulate creative thought aimed at solving the big mess? There is amazing knowledge posted daily on this site. Get creative, people!!!

              • unincredulous unincredulous

                but, "The researchers stressed these findings do not mean fungi can eat radioactive matter and somehow cleanse it. Rather, the fungi can simply harness the energy that radioactive materials give off."

                They don't boil water to draw energy from radioactive material. They are smarter than us.

    • SadieDog

      Seems like the fungus angle is something that is worthy of looking into. 😉

  • Last night, could not post, and then got locked out of site, finally gave up and went home.

    More attacks on site.

    Right after a melt out article is posted.

    Hmmmmmm, there couldn't be a connection there, right?

  • Everything is back to normal and everyone is happy, shiny and loving over in Japan. Nothing happened at Fukushima, it did not release any radiation at all.


    Over 50 branches of Japan's district courts are currently considering lawsuits from 12,539 people against the Japanese government and the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) over the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster, according to local media.
    Read more:

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I'd like to join a class action lawsuit. The loss of seafood. Especially coconut shrimp, buttered lobster, man…, I am forgetting my favorites. Five years, and less than 2 lbs of fish…

      The time I spend reading about nuclear lies, government lies boring as hell and I don't have any fun. It's really a lot of wasted time.

      Reimbursement for mental anguish, and social loss of popularity. Everybody saying that I'm depressed and should get over it… I feel like the last survivor in that movie, "The cavern." Kind of like if she read the script she would not be happy.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    The big lie right in the middle of the Reuters article. So self defeating. Must haz a psychological experiment on the sheeple every friggin day

    "In late 2014, the utility overcame arguably the most dangerous challenge since the meltdown, with the removal of hundreds of spent fuel rods from a storage pool inside a damaged reactor building."

    100 percent of spent fuel at unit 4 burned up. What percent was removed by the Tokyo Electric company, kids?!


    ..Molten Salt Reactor Graphite Core
    ..Water Reactor Vessel

    Nuclear Regulatory Commission image of pressurized water reactor vessel heads
    Types of reactors:

    >Liquid-Metal Fast-Breeder Reactor
    >Pressurized Water Reactors
    >Pressurized Water Reactor
    >Boiling Water Reactor [easy with color diagrams]

    Please feel free to add other info. Keep it simple for clarity. Thanks.


    March 15, 2016 – Kakrapar nuclear plant unit shut down after reports of leak

    Following the event, a plant emergency was declared, which signifies a heightened state of alert for the plant personnel and management, the board said.

    Reports said the workers within the plant were allowed to go home after thorough checks to prevent no radioactivity is reported outside the plant.
    The Nuclear Power Corporation of India Ltd (NPCIL) runs KAPS, located on the border of Surat and Tapi districts near Vyara town of Tapi. This is the same reactor where, in 2011, four labourers were exposed to radiation when they were painting a tunnel. "Things are under control", said Surat collector Rajendra Kumar.

  • Nick

    I have held a fantastical research project in my head for years in which a crowd source funded entity collects hair samples from far and wide with the intent of measuring radioactive elements.

    The data-base would then become accessible on vast server farms (which we have already!) for folks to peruse at their leisure, etc.

    Just think how powerful such an endeavor would be?

    Mapping software could show clumps of stuff, indicating confined releases or widely dispersed ones; for instance, The Mid-East would show high DU levels (where egits dropped DUmb bombs!)

    Japan would show how pervasive the contamination is across parts of the islands, and make folks rethink ¨levels as low as that found in Tokyo¨ as a good thing, etc.

    Areas around uranium mines would show spikes.

    If enough samples are analyzed, it might even be possible to locate where nuclear plants/weapons labs are within, say 20

    Just think of the possibilities.

    I know this is a fantasy, but it sure would be informative.

    Hair-raising too!


    Update : 1 hour ago..Kakraper NPP.

    'Secrecy' bullshit.. same as Japan

    More than 100 hours later, Kakrapar nuclear leak not fixed.
    'The leak is likely to continue for some time before it becomes stable, but this is something that NPCIL, who is the plant operator, will have to do.'
    'For this, we have to plan very carefully.'
    Rashme Sehgal reports.

    The leak has yet to be identified and plugged, but such is the veil of secrecy over this accident that the four million people living in a 30 kilometre radius around the Kakrapar Atomic Power Station remain clueless about the radiation levels they are presently being subjected to.

    Wait a minute THIS HAPENED ON 3/11?

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. GOM. TY. Why worry? It is just a water leak…like at Fukushima. Peace

  • Nick

    I still shake my head to this day, that after Fukushima, the world has yet to truly grapple with our collective idiocy when it comes to embracing nuclear anything.

    We irradiate food ON PURPOSE for crying out loud!

    We scan humans with lethal rays to see inside and try and ¨kill¨ cancer cells,etc.

    We refurbish our obscene weapons armories.

    We mine and mine uranium.

    We claim nuclear energy is carbon friendly (man, I get sick when I hear normally sane folks promote nuclear energy as a way to ¨fight¨ climate change)

    Sure, the energy is invisible…but it is driving us all TATALly insane.

    GMI is real…..especially when you consider that a presidential campaign promotes a dude who likes to hit white balls on course that have His Brand! (

    Wake me up in a 1,000 years.

    • GOM GOM

      Peat bog fires and the horrific release of methane. And they burn when wet.

      This is one of the most feared tipping points. There is a delicate threshold where a slight rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the environment by triggering a huge and instantaneous increase in global temperature.

      Since the bogs were formed they have been generating methane, most of which has been trapped within the permafrost itself, in ice-like clathrates.

      It is estimated that the west Siberian bog alone contains some 70 billion tonnes of methane, a quarter of all the methane stored on the land surface of the world. This is equivalent to emitting 1.7 trillion tons of CO2, which is more greenhouse gas than has been emitted by humans in the past 200 years.

    • datura17

      it may mean that all the dead stuff in the pacific is emitting methane + the methane from melting permafrost oh, yeah the gas leak in calf. too. personally i believe the radiation in the atmosphere is causing cloud seeding and thus the floodings…remember 2011 and 2012 seems like after chernobyl same thing but i may be mistaken. it causes the vapor to drop out before it should and so areas end up droughted others flooded. think xenon133, a gamma emitter went around the world. didnt it?, quickly too. if cosmic rays might add to cloud formation what is the effect of the gamma, alpha and beta??? hmmmm….i dont know whether it is or not, just pointing it out. see here

  • Nick

    Then there is this star:

    (just because the sunspot activity is low does not mean that extra UV-B is not hitting the surface, since cosmic rays penetrate easier, etc)

    Certainly humans have added molecules into the matrix that F with
    heat loading of the atmosphere…..

  • Nick

    I see data sets all the time about warm months….yet I am not convinced that the increases are all due to us.

    We are part of a vast cosmos…….

    ….I am more concerned about TATAL loading of our biosphere.

    • 95% is caused by, get ready for this……THE SUN!

      • GOM GOM

        Truce. Would you care to elaborate on your statement?

      • Everyone denying global warming is in good company, along with ExxonMobil and the Koch Bros.

        New Study Exposes True Extent, Influence Of Climate Denial Echo Chamber For First Time, Indigenous Press Conference Demanding True Climate Solutions at COP21, New York AG Subpoenas ExxonMobil

      • SadieDog

        I don't know about anybody else, but when it's hot outside and I need to cool of for a bit, I try to find some shade. My dog does the same thing. Here in Georgia, it seems like there's a race to cut down trees at a rapid pace. If there is some warming, could it be because millions of acres a year of forest are being cleared. Less shade. More hotter.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          I live close to the edge of the earth, so a drive to the shady side is only 30, maybe 40 minutes.

          • SadieDog

            Apparently you're even a shorter drive to being an asshole. 🙂

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              why yes Sadie, here on ENEnews its a much shorter drive to 'the rings of uranus' than the other side of the planet

              • SadieDog

                Ring your own anus. I didn't start with you. I posted a thought. Your whimsical, veiled insults don't excuse you from admonishment. A camouflaged insult is still an insult. Don't be a dick.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  I have a bumper sticker that says 'WTC 9-11 was a controlled demolition….and the earth is flat'

                  very effective, dont you think?

                  no lets get real Sadie, after that last volley with stock, and all that history, are you going to tell me that posting yet ANOTHER link to the flat earth theory isnt trollish provocation?

                  Fact is, I accepted you fine back in the days of endless foul mouth curse hurling…but then you came totally unhinged and turned on stock and a few good posters for no good reason…really hounded them with smears and defamation. I never hounded you for ANYTHING until those events, now Im more than justified to make a few quips to point out the damage you are doing.

                  If you are real, take it like a man SadieDog

                  • SadieDog

                    No. I really don't think anyone is interested in you're digging up past disagreements, that don't even involve you. It doesn't entertain or help anyone. You are not justified in drudging up that or other spats. It is only a distraction. Your intention is more than questionable, as you constanstly seem to enjoy trying to instigate problems between members. No one says you have to agree with any OT posts. Hence they are OT. Why does It seem that only a few people here find it necessary to school others? Your quips, as you call them are not fooling anyone, as they are meant to antagonize and provoke. It's just tiresome, old and unproductive. Imagine if others acted as you do and felt the need to make a smart ass comment after anything you posted. If it weren't for the maturity of the people that must endure your bullshit, this site would be a 24 hour argument. It seems sometimes that is what you're aiming for. Give it a rest.

                  • SadieDog

                    I'm not arguing w stock at the moment. I'm not arguing w anyone. No reason to. And if I post a flat earth video every day, you don't have to watch it or comment on it. Its prefaced by an OT. Stop trying to be the asshole kid that eggs on a fight in the schoolyard. If you didn't make a problem, there wouldn't be one. Stop ruining discussions here. If you don't like it, move on. Politely, mind your own fucking business.

                    • Jebus Jebus


                      Why would one want to post a flat Earth video?

                      Ring of Fire- Abbreviated


                      I only wonder why?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      balderdash. Im the one that always ruins discussions? Hear this; government corruption, international politics, military industrial political fascism, even the business of kings and queens, is all related to the nuclear nightmare. And its all discussed here, in front of a potentially huge audience. This is no five kid hangout where we shoot the shit Sadie. I will say that I thought your contributions of government corruption and false flags were valuable. But if you wont/cant accept that cussing and throwing in the flat earth theory destroys the credibility…the credibility of the site, then take it from me, it destroys YOUR credibility. At one time I would be inclined to believe you had studied up and I would take your conviction with some weight. Not any more Sadie. Every thing you say now is highly suspicious. What a waste

                    • SadieDog

                      Whatever you say and whatever you believe. I was minding my own business and you started this nonsense. I didn't initiate any conversation with you. It's easy for anyone to see that you are trying to provoke me into an argument. Why? I don't know. This is craziness not worthy of anymore of my time. Geez.

          • Yeas, it helps to live near the edge on a flat Earth. It is always cooler near the edge. The view is also so much better there.


    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      one of the real problems; man cut down all the trees and messed up the soil.

      Drylands cover over 40% of Earth’s land area and are home to more than 2 billion people. It has been estimated that some 10–20% of drylands are already degraded into deserts. Land covering 12 million hectares, equivalent to Bulgaria, is lost every year. Who cares about releasing some carbon (much smaller than say the termites), when all the plants are gone? Pollution on the hand, we dont want. Go solar


    Aliso Canyon
    L.A.-area natural gas leak finally capped, but new problem emerges

    But officials said they now are worried Southern California may not have enough gas in storage to furnish power plants with the fuel they may need this summer, possibly resulting in electricity shortages.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Can't say I'm surprised at all.

      Turn off the A/C, lights, and all the other crap.

      Close down the 'retail' crap at sundown/weekends, chill with family.

      Ration power, so much per meter, most are 'smartmeters'.

      Live with it.

      Or, fill it back up and hope for the best.

      They don't get it, too many stupid people in one place.

      My guess, someone is trying to sell a nuke plant right about now. 🙁

  • razzz razzz

    Here is one site that has Hillary's emails that are searchable. I read Wiki and the Wall Street Journal also have the documents and they are searchable.

    Try putting 'radiation' in the search box and see what you come up with.

  • Approximately 100,000 primary and metastatic brain tumor patients/year in the US survive long enough (>6 months) to experience radiation-induced brain injury. Prior to 1970, the human brain was thought to be highly radioresistant; the acute CNS syndrome occurs after single doses >30 Gy; white matter necrosis occurs at fractionated doses >60 Gy. Although white matter necrosis is uncommon with modern techniques, functional deficits, including progressive impairments in memory, attention, and executive function have become important, because they have profound effects on quality of life

  • If 100,000 PER YEAR survive longer than 6 months, how many are NOT surviving that long?

    Anyone know?

  • The trillion dollar question
    MARCH 16, 2016
    tags: military spending, nuclear weapons
    by Lawrence Wittner
    Isn’t it rather odd that America’s largest single public expenditure scheduled for the coming decades has received no attention in the 2015-2016 presidential debates?

    The trillion dollar question

    No questions about the biggest budget item.

    Lots of fights.

    Guess we are picking our next president based on who will attack the other candidates the best.

    Divide and conquer.

  • Jebus Jebus

    The Fiat Earth is real…

    Japan's exports down for fifth month in a row

    TOKYO–Japanese exports fell for a fifth straight month in February, their longest losing streak since 2012, in a fresh sign of weakness in the world's third-largest economy.

    Abe, surfing the ring of fire, slowly swirling towards the nuclear hellhole, dragging the Fiat Earth behind him…

    • DUDe DUD

      But keeping Tepco profiting with most their reactors on a halt..

      Ah under the table agreements trumps domestic needs i guess..

      • Jebus Jebus

        This is why the state secrets laws…

        It's a financial decision, and sadly, the human tide will only turn with the next meltdown.

        No matter the condition of the tides on the planet, at the time.

        Meanwhile people only jump when all the other ageing machines backfire…

  • irhologram "Metro announced that its entire rail system would cease operations for 24 hours so crews can inspect cables throughout the system.

    …unprecedented move by transit officials, who said they acted because they feared for the safety of passengers of the nation’s second-busiest subway system.

    …said that it was too risky to delay the safety checks after an electrical fire erupted early Monday and poured smoke into a Metro tunnel downtown."

    Its every day now… Somewhere. A derailment. An engine fire. Tracks on fire… Smoke in plane cockpits. …collased landing gears … Blown tires. …running off the runway…

  • Nick

    Infrastructure requires periodic maintenance.

    Not sure why DC had to shut entire system down all at once, why not a line at a time over, say a week?

    Now folks are turning to LEAD in water….a huge infrastructure conundrum (Didn´t Rome fade due to lead issues?) as lead service pipes need to be replaced everywhere. Tell me again why lead was used in the first place? Don we ever learn from history?

    Adding anti-corrosion stuff to water systems might cause other health issues as well! (besides….kind of a fetch to think the lead is prevented from leaching at anywhere near an acceptable rate since, in actually, lead is a TATAL substance and there IS no safe level of it technically in drinking water. Allowable limits are for officialdoom!

    At least we are now beginning to look at our aging infrastructure in ways few thought about before.

    Let´s shave the defense budget by 50% and use those funds for water line replacement and other crucial infrastructure needs and repairs.

    Tell me again why we went into Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Yemen? Somalia? Etc?

    Clearly, we have to choose going forward how to learn how to wage peace.

    Then there is Fukushima…..Not sure one can put a price on that…what is going to cost is beyond what we can bear, so we HIDE the truth about ALL things nuclear. shhhhhhh.

  • tarpitboss tarpitboss

    A massive, world-wide crowd-funded lawsuit aimed at disassembling the entire nuclear industry is a GOOD, CONSTRUCTIVE IDEA. Please help spread the word!!!

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