Some have written in about what appears to be a whitish haze in the location where the spent fuel pool label is in the above photo. Anyone else observing this?
Here's a Berkeley May '12 more detail assumption of SFP 3 condition based on a April '12 IAEA report that included still pictures of SFP 3. I will tell you now that it is inconclusive.
Both these links are in .pdf format which I suggest using Foxit Reader software for opening .pdf documents (a free browser based application and much smaller than Adobe).
Reminds me of what's his name, excitable…Islandboy??? always confusing Units 3 and 4 situations, correct some of the time, wrong most of the time. A real nuisance.
Anyway, don't ask me how the fuel machine jumped up and fell into the pool. The pool dropped, the floor raised, the blast threw it in there, all the above, I don't know.
Thanks for the link. The 3 booms were eerie. I didn't know the sound had been edited out in rebroadcasts of the explosion. I guess I assumed it was filmed with audio off.
What happened there certainly looked unique and sounded that way as well.
I believe that while reactor building 4 looks more fragile, it will be reactor building 3 that becomes the real demolition problem when they try to take off the remaining exterior bay walls and pull debris off the service/operating floor.
When they begin and then abruptly halt the process on reactor building 3 or parts of the building structure below the service/operating floor level change shape or collapse, is when I'll start getting really nervous.
This an absolutely awesome link … I looked at it before … they have no answers, they are speechless in this regard, and their silence on this matter speaks volumes …. ('they' refers to NRC and all pro-nuke shills) …
"The truth wants to come out and play!"
Thank you TerraHertz for sharing, again … 'newsers: please distribute at large with friends …
Thank you so much for your input. If only this post was presented to boardrooms across the world, of every walk…
Or, do I digress? Having been subjected to horrific trauma, I suffer from PTSD, and for this reason have 'talking therapy' from time to time. When I say my exposure to trauma did not have to happen, my shrink, Max, responds, "do not worry whether or not this did not have to be, it is."
…In the darkness with a bundle of grief,
and a shovelful of stars overhead for keeps,
the people march.
Where to? What next?
Like others, I have reread this. I think you may be right in your reasoning.
My hope is that you are wrong in your conclusions. We have to have some hope that things will continue for people who survive – that this is not the end of the human race. Otherwise, we give up.
Once in a while, as I think about this, I ponder the things that people value. Ordinary people make automobiles the most important purchases of their lives. Ordinary people want to take their attention off things too painful to contemplate, or too difficult to understand, and put it onto "reality TV" or football, or whatever. Is there a moral failure in this? Perhaps there is, when a culture makes ignoring consequences the default condition.
In other days, and even today in other places, there are people who live in homes so simple they were constructed in hours. They do not own cars or watch false reality. Instead, they do things all people do, but without modern distractions. They sing, they love, they cook their food and have supper. They raise their children, and look to a future much like the past, without modern "improvements."
Are we happier for the "conveniences" of modern civilization, whose use requires power, which, in turn, pollutes our lives and threatens our children? Are we happier?
I hope people continue. I hope they learn. I am not optimistic that this will happen. But I hope, because that is all I can do.
Fuku Unit3 used MOX plutonium fuel, the very worst idea the nuke industry-an industry famous for coming up with bad ideas-ever had. One 10,000,000th of a gram of plutonium is considered a fatal dose for a human being. The idea was to reprocess spent fuel into new MOX fuel. Unit3 blew up in that famous spactacular mushroom cloud, the video footage that will go down in history as the beginning of the end of nuclear energy.
Here is an extensive discussion of Fuku3 for those who are new to ENEnews: http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3117672.
Many questions remain:
Was Unit3 destroyed by a hydrogen explosion?
Was it a steam explosion?
Was it a zirconium/cesium explosion?
Was it a nuclear explosion?
Was Reactor3 the source of the explosion?
Was SFP3 the source of the explosion?
All is speculation at this point. TEP.gov will almost certainly destroy the evidence of what happened at Unit3 as the wreckage is removed, and we may never know for sure. What we do know is that the mushroom cloud ejected a lot of plutonium into the environment. The portion of the core that wasn't blown up, has melted through the bottom of Containment3 /Torus3, and may have become a bus-sized 50 ton corium somewhere in the bedrock under Unit3. If what has already happened at Fuku will cause the eventual deaths of millions of people, it is likely that the explosion of Unit3 caused more of these deaths than any other event.
Radioactive Steam! Good example of "cold shutdown state" of Reactor 3 (sarcasm)-only 300+ and much higher mSv in some places. Come and visit, "smile and be happy." What a TEPCO farce. Meanwhile thousands(millions?) of children are being radiated…
@jec..I was just about to say something of the same.
I slept..I got up..focus had changed to Unit 3..
I focused.
And..there it was..another example of cold shutdown.
(sarc or scream)
Any body know how old that photo is.
Hopefully that is just condensation coming from SFP, as fuel bundles take years to cool and transfers that heat to water
.what is 1 and what is the square outlined .
Eye beams over SFP are twisted and bent, looks like heat did that, takes at least 1200 degrees to have this effect on beams, must have been high heat in that area.
people are asking the right questions:
In an ugly way all facts about this disaster has been covered up.
They point out where the spent fuel suppose to be. But what about the yellow reactor containment vessel? Why isn't it visible?
That explosion was so strong that the pillars broke like wooden sticks. These were steel-enforced concrete pillars of about four times four feet.
For me it seems mostly alike the reactor vessel blow. Reason is that the pressure was to high. It could have been hydrogen inside the reactor pressure vessel. At the time there were about eighty tons Mox-fuel in the reactor and more outside in the spent fuel pool.
It is amazing that news don't understand to ask the right questions. The questions people are asking now.
Just watched the video of Reactor 3 explosion with sound. As you watch the explosion the first sound is about 2 seconds later. At 1100 feet per second (the speed of sound), the camera or microphone had to be less than .5 miles from the reactor. Does anyone have an explanation?
Hi cindyk. I raised a very similar query some time ago and I am reposting it here to support you and to show that I think it is very relevant.
I got no response either.
I think the concept has a direct bearing on Terrahertz original post.
Here is the quote:
apostrophes
June 1, 2012 at 4:26 am · Reply
TerraHertz, with you all the way. Just one question I would pose and like to hear your view. The version of U3 explosion I saw had a strange effect with the sound. Given that the camera was miles from the explosion, it should have taken say 20 seconds for the sound to arrive [assuming microphone is at camera]. But the sound was virtually at the same time as the visible explosion. I assumed someone had "fiddled it" Hollywood-style, just for effect, for "realism". But now I wonder. Could there be fakery going on?
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re: "whitish haze"
It could be steam/smoke, OR maybe they deliberately blurred the picture there?
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Iam,
I'm going with steam.
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Here's a Berkeley May '12 more detail assumption of SFP 3 condition based on a April '12 IAEA report that included still pictures of SFP 3. I will tell you now that it is inconclusive.
Both these links are in .pdf format which I suggest using Foxit Reader software for opening .pdf documents (a free browser based application and much smaller than Adobe).
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/iaea-data-tepco-provided-pictures-unit-3-spent-fuel-pool-see-pictures.2012-05-14
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/fukushima/statusreport270412.pdf
Reminds me of what's his name, excitable…Islandboy??? always confusing Units 3 and 4 situations, correct some of the time, wrong most of the time. A real nuisance.
Anyway, don't ask me how the fuel machine jumped up and fell into the pool. The pool dropped, the floor raised, the blast threw it in there, all the above, I don't know.
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The new rule :
No Atoms for Peace. Atoms only for War
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Good grief TEPCO… stating the trivially obvious, too late, and only as a diversion from the important horrible truth.
May as well post this again. Relevance: SFP #3, the site of the only known fire-cracker chain cyclic repeating prompt criticality steam explosion series, ever.
http://everist.org/archives/Fukushima/20120430_Message_of_Fuku3.htm
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TerraHertz,
Thanks for the link. The 3 booms were eerie. I didn't know the sound had been edited out in rebroadcasts of the explosion. I guess I assumed it was filmed with audio off.
What happened there certainly looked unique and sounded that way as well.
I believe that while reactor building 4 looks more fragile, it will be reactor building 3 that becomes the real demolition problem when they try to take off the remaining exterior bay walls and pull debris off the service/operating floor.
When they begin and then abruptly halt the process on reactor building 3 or parts of the building structure below the service/operating floor level change shape or collapse, is when I'll start getting really nervous.
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This an absolutely awesome link … I looked at it before … they have no answers, they are speechless in this regard, and their silence on this matter speaks volumes …. ('they' refers to NRC and all pro-nuke shills) …
"The truth wants to come out and play!"
Thank you TerraHertz for sharing, again … 'newsers: please distribute at large with friends …
Go enenews!!! Death to Nuclear Power!!!
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Thank you so much for your input. If only this post was presented to boardrooms across the world, of every walk…
Or, do I digress? Having been subjected to horrific trauma, I suffer from PTSD, and for this reason have 'talking therapy' from time to time. When I say my exposure to trauma did not have to happen, my shrink, Max, responds, "do not worry whether or not this did not have to be, it is."
…In the darkness with a bundle of grief,
and a shovelful of stars overhead for keeps,
the people march.
Where to? What next?
Report Comment
Like others, I have reread this. I think you may be right in your reasoning.
My hope is that you are wrong in your conclusions. We have to have some hope that things will continue for people who survive – that this is not the end of the human race. Otherwise, we give up.
Once in a while, as I think about this, I ponder the things that people value. Ordinary people make automobiles the most important purchases of their lives. Ordinary people want to take their attention off things too painful to contemplate, or too difficult to understand, and put it onto "reality TV" or football, or whatever. Is there a moral failure in this? Perhaps there is, when a culture makes ignoring consequences the default condition.
In other days, and even today in other places, there are people who live in homes so simple they were constructed in hours. They do not own cars or watch false reality. Instead, they do things all people do, but without modern distractions. They sing, they love, they cook their food and have supper. They raise their children, and look to a future much like the past, without modern "improvements."
Are we happier for the "conveniences" of modern civilization, whose use requires power, which, in turn, pollutes our lives and threatens our children? Are we happier?
I hope people continue. I hope they learn. I am not optimistic that this will happen. But I hope, because that is all I can do.
Report Comment
Fuku Unit3 used MOX plutonium fuel, the very worst idea the nuke industry-an industry famous for coming up with bad ideas-ever had. One 10,000,000th of a gram of plutonium is considered a fatal dose for a human being. The idea was to reprocess spent fuel into new MOX fuel. Unit3 blew up in that famous spactacular mushroom cloud, the video footage that will go down in history as the beginning of the end of nuclear energy.
Here is an extensive discussion of Fuku3 for those who are new to ENEnews:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3117672.
Many questions remain:
Was Unit3 destroyed by a hydrogen explosion?
Was it a steam explosion?
Was it a zirconium/cesium explosion?
Was it a nuclear explosion?
Was Reactor3 the source of the explosion?
Was SFP3 the source of the explosion?
All is speculation at this point. TEP.gov will almost certainly destroy the evidence of what happened at Unit3 as the wreckage is removed, and we may never know for sure. What we do know is that the mushroom cloud ejected a lot of plutonium into the environment. The portion of the core that wasn't blown up, has melted through the bottom of Containment3 /Torus3, and may have become a bus-sized 50 ton corium somewhere in the bedrock under Unit3. If what has already happened at Fuku will cause the eventual deaths of millions of people, it is likely that the explosion of Unit3 caused more of these deaths than any other event.
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Radioactive Steam! Good example of "cold shutdown state" of Reactor 3 (sarcasm)-only 300+ and much higher mSv in some places. Come and visit, "smile and be happy." What a TEPCO farce. Meanwhile thousands(millions?) of children are being radiated…
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@jec..I was just about to say something of the same.
I slept..I got up..focus had changed to Unit 3..
I focused.
And..there it was..another example of cold shutdown.
(sarc or scream)
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Any body know how old that photo is.
Hopefully that is just condensation coming from SFP, as fuel bundles take years to cool and transfers that heat to water
.what is 1 and what is the square outlined .
Eye beams over SFP are twisted and bent, looks like heat did that, takes at least 1200 degrees to have this effect on beams, must have been high heat in that area.
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The photo is recent.
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Any body know how old that photo is.
The photo is recent.
? for sure? from the debris on streetlevel next to the building it looks like 1 year + old
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There are human beings that are being sacrificed to death, lied to, and displaced from their roots.
+
The financial aspect of greed in Japan government.
= SUCKS!
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people are asking the right questions:
In an ugly way all facts about this disaster has been covered up.
They point out where the spent fuel suppose to be. But what about the yellow reactor containment vessel? Why isn't it visible?
That explosion was so strong that the pillars broke like wooden sticks. These were steel-enforced concrete pillars of about four times four feet.
For me it seems mostly alike the reactor vessel blow. Reason is that the pressure was to high. It could have been hydrogen inside the reactor pressure vessel. At the time there were about eighty tons Mox-fuel in the reactor and more outside in the spent fuel pool.
It is amazing that news don't understand to ask the right questions. The questions people are asking now.
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Just watched the video of Reactor 3 explosion with sound. As you watch the explosion the first sound is about 2 seconds later. At 1100 feet per second (the speed of sound), the camera or microphone had to be less than .5 miles from the reactor. Does anyone have an explanation?
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Hi cindyk. I raised a very similar query some time ago and I am reposting it here to support you and to show that I think it is very relevant.
I got no response either.
I think the concept has a direct bearing on Terrahertz original post.
Here is the quote:
apostrophes
June 1, 2012 at 4:26 am · Reply
TerraHertz, with you all the way. Just one question I would pose and like to hear your view. The version of U3 explosion I saw had a strange effect with the sound. Given that the camera was miles from the explosion, it should have taken say 20 seconds for the sound to arrive [assuming microphone is at camera]. But the sound was virtually at the same time as the visible explosion. I assumed someone had "fiddled it" Hollywood-style, just for effect, for "realism". But now I wonder. Could there be fakery going on?
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