Newspaper: Tepco researcher says it’s impossible to contain radioactive waste water leaking from Fukushima plant — “Japanese gov’t has lost all credibility”

Published: September 17th, 2013 at 11:43 am ET


Korea Times, Sept. 17, 2013: Japan is pushing back hard on Korea’s import ban on fisheries products from Fukushima and adjacent prefectures […] As most Koreans see it, however, Tokyo’s move is little more than the proverbial “audacity of a thief.” […] Tokyo is taking issue with Seoul’s move to protect the health and lives of its own citizens […] Seoul is advised to bring this issue to the World Health Organization, as Tokyo has not even done its minimal duty of informing its neighbors of what should be warranted information affecting the latter’s health. […] Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s misleading statements that Tokyo was in full control of the situation [were] later contradicted by none other than Japanese experts. […]

Chosun Ilbo (Major Korean Newspaper), Sept. 16, 2013: […] A researcher at TEPCO conceded that it was “impossible” to contain the radioactive water leak from the devastated power plant. […] Yet the Japanese government claims that it is unfair for Korea to ban fish products from Fukushima. […] The Japanese government has lost all credibility. […]

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Published: September 17th, 2013 at 11:43 am ET


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15 comments to Newspaper: Tepco researcher says it’s impossible to contain radioactive waste water leaking from Fukushima plant — “Japanese gov’t has lost all credibility”

  • nedlifromvermont

    So much for the new best friends, Korea and Japan, married to each other in the nuclear power promoters' Hall of an Irradiated Future …

    Look what happens to s shogun marriage, when somebody starts talking truth …

    Oh no!!

    My favorite quote of the day "Utilities shocked to wake up and find they are already dead!!" from lead opinion piece reprinted on GeoHarvey's wordpress blog … (I'll provide a better link later …

    • We Not They Finally

      That may be short-sighted. Don't forget that Japan and Korea historically (and these are ancient cultures) have been ENEMIES. In fact, A LOT of Asian nations have a messy history with Japan. Even look up the history of so-called "comfort women" for the Japanese soldiers during World War II.

      So Japan may have built up economic power over the past several decades, but that may not be the same as genuine good will. China also has to be MASSIVELY unhappy with Japan, whatever their own current stance regarding nuclear energy. And there have been big protests against nuclear in Taiwan.

      Then when it turns out that Japan's ranking as "third largest economy in the world" is an illusion, all bets may be off for a pan-Asian response.

      I wouldn't start gloating over this one just yet… Well, I'm sure you won't want to gloat anyway. It's all too deadly.

  • markww markww

    I think this can be solved. FIRST pump into the cracks on the ground that opened up with elements Powered glass,sand carbon sterile powder, boron,powered shuttle tile mixture carbon, graphite,lead powder and concrete all mixed inject to the sea escape routes , thus making a shell where the cracks fill up and seal the open cavities. If There is massive heat it will seal the crack structures and seal out radioactive materials from entering the discharge system. Then build a HUGE RE CIRCULATING SYSTEM,FILTRATION UNIT with FILTERS composed of powered sand,glass powder lead powder boron powder,shuttle tile powder, graphite carbon extra fiber filter screens and screens of FELT FILTERS placed between of the element filters. I think water then could be drafted out of the buildings and reused . You could make many large filter units on site and drain the radioactive water from the tanks and clean them too and then once the water is cleaned and filtered it can be reused.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Good thinking, Mark. Hope TEPCO can begin to use some of your suggestions. I believe this is the solution to put into Reactors1-3, when they abandon the very bad idea of "removing melted fuel." It may also be useful in the spent fuel pools to deal with spilled fuel pellets.

      The groundwater solution must include a means of preventing groundwater from entering the area around the four reactors, in order to be successful. Simply stopping groundwater from leaving the plant area will fail, because of the constant contamination of incoming groundwater by corium debris in the ground under the plant. The 12 pumps they have installed won't do the trick. What is needed is a solid wall, probably an Impermeable Wall of sheet steel pilings running in a rectangle surrounding Units1-4. (I know I'm repeating this suggestion a lot, but this needs to be done, and I hope that, sooner rather than later, this idea comes up in a meeting, and is acted upon.) 😉

      • soern

        "when they abandon the very bad idea of "removing melted fuel."
        Of course they cannot even reach melted fuel.

        Here comes what melted fuel cores could do:

        They'd forced back to surface by magma's pressure through that glassified chanels they melted before!
        There are 3 bad scenarios:

        1. Cores detonate by contact with even hotter magma 60 miles deep which causes Japan to vanish from all maps and will trigger a worldwide Tsunami 300m high.
        2. Cores detonate after been thrown back to surface by magma (followong to surface an creating a new vulcano) and destroy most live on earth.
        3. Cores don't detonate at all after meeting magma but beeing pushed back on surface by magma pressure and beeing covered some hundred meters high by that following magma/lava.

        I'd prefer version 3.

        Melt through concrete 30cm/h
        Melt through concrete 8 metres thick = 26.6h (1 day)

        Melt through sandstone/tuff 90cm/h (estimated/maybe quicker)
        90 m/10h
        or per year: 8736 x 0,9m = 7862m =7,8km
        Distance surface – magma at Daiichi: about 80 km
        Meeting Posssible: March 2021

        Until that time sfp4 and all other sfp's are most important to be fixed.
        They could also stop cooling that melted cores as they are far down in earth (prox. 20 km) and cooling is provided by groundwater if at all.

        Wether the underground water flow to sea can be stopped at all i dare to doubt.

        • MichaelV MichaelV

          This is the scenario I think is happening…

          …remind me again why they're pumping water into the buildings.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Do you have a link or citation as to "Distance surface – magma at Daiichi: about 80 km"

          The corium itself is magma. If it is traveling west to the nearest volcano, it is only about 20 miles. There are 3 active volcanoes near Fukushima Daiichi.
          Last eruption
          Mount Nasu
          1917 6283 37.12°N 139.97°E
          Mount Azuma
          1705 5594 37.73°N 140.25°E
          Mount Adatara
          1718 5635 37.62°N 140.28°E

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Volcanic Fury, Another 9.0 Quake
            By Yoichi Shimatsu
            Exclusive to

            “”While doing the decontamination project in the north, I dug a deep hole in a field to check on background radiation. Layer after alternating layer of thick volcanic deposits (yellow soil, pyroclastic) and thin bands of black organic matter. In other words, for most of Japanese prehistory, volcanoes – not life – have ruled.
            “The Tohoku region is a series of vast volcano craters, all of them still alive and well, bubbling up hot springs. Most are not little mountains, but massive, the size of counties in the USA.

            “The phenomenal frequency of big quakes in Tohoku, they are happening at light speed in geological time, means magma is on the move.

            “If one or more of these giants blow, the land will be covered by 2 – 4 meters of ash and toxic gas. That, in turn, would completely shut down roads, power and water, meaning all the nuclear reactors in northern Japan would melt down.

            “The events since 3.11 could be a mere hint of things to come, a triple disaster leading toward the fourth and final catastrophe.

            “Here is a report on Japan Meterological Agency from early April that somehow managed to slip thru –

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              “Japan's 20 Volcanoes Have Come Alive After The 9.0 Tohoku Quake…Another Is Expected


              “Japan's Meteorological Agency on Friday warned the country's 20 volcanoes has become alive due to the massive March 11 earthquake, and a study said earthquake over 9.0-magnitude might hit Japan.

              “The Agency said volcanic explosion occurred after earthquake several times in history and people should maintain vigilance against this tendency.

              “The number of earthquake above 6.0 M reached 77 on March. And 74 out of them occurred in quake-hit region, were aftershock. The number is 50 times over the same period last year.

              “The largest aftershock on April 7 hit Japan has killed 4 people, injured at least 166, and caused a power outage over 2.61 million households, according to Japan's police officials. The Meteorological Agency warned aftershocks above 6.0 M like the April 7 earthquake probably would hit Japan again. …”


          • soern

            Hi Anne,
            i read the distance out of one underground map at Daiichi you provided kindly (this one which showed the fault under the plant). Of course i could estimate only as figures end at 700m there but magma was shown about 10 times deeper.

            I guess cores melt mostly straight downwards as they are pretty heavy and hardly need easier ways.
            Maybe your right also and they travel downwards/west.

            It is a question of time only until they meet magma.

      • We Not They Finally

        PUN, sorry if I am branding myself as slow and confused here, but I stop cold every time I consider that this is not just some ordinary construction site where people can just build this and build that. How do they get in there to do it? What suits are protective enough? And how can they burrow deep enough into the ground to go beneath the deadly coriums? And what if the aquifer underneath is already completely contaminated, yet rushing to the sea at a force of 1000 tons of water a day? What if containing the massive amounts of water just turns the site into a swamp where everything sinks? And what if a closed loop is IMPOSSIBLE because of whatever geologic or radioactive disintegration in even one of two pieces of that loop?

        I know that I'm just a layman here, but having trouble getting my head around this.

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    I can't help but think of my kids when they were 8 and 10. My 8 year old would do something like punch my 10yr old who would tell us and my 8 year old would get into trouble. My 8 yr old would then sulk and have a temper tantrum because he got into trouble. He would get angry at us and his brother, getting into additional trouble for the way he was acting.

    The only problem is there is no parent that is gonna put the Japanese government in the corner for a timeout. They're gonna have their temper tantrum and not clean-up their toys.

  • or-well

    Japan is indeed being "…strong to the weak and weak to the strong.".
    Japan's administration is aiding and abetting the repression and neglect of the most defenceless, of the harmed, of the endangered who most need a powerful advocate – the children, the nuclear refugees and the residents of the contaminated zones – while serving the interests of their national and the global nuclear industry.

    • We Not They Finally

      Not actually sure about that, or-well. I mean, I don't think that Japan considers itself any kind of "underling" (you said "serving") to the global nuclear cabal. Look up Yoichi Shimatsu on Shinzo Abe's role back BEFORE Fukushima in bringing MOX fuel to Japan, as facilitated through the Cheney cabal. He says it was routed through Texas! Yea, our own American Texas! So Japan was not "serving" — they thought they were in with "the big guys."

      Abe considers himself a main player. So I'd change your model somewhat. However atavistic it may seem, it may just be the very worst cruelty of Imperial Japan that we are witnessing in relation to genociding out their most defenseless ones.

      No one humane wanted Hiroshima to be the way that Imperial Japan was brought to its knees. But wasn't that culture supposed to learn SOMETHING?

      • or-well

        WNTF, I quite agree that the folks in Japan's Gov don't consider themselves in any way inferior players in the global nuke cabal.

        However, it certainly looks like the interests of that global nuclear cabal ARE being served, not just in Japan, but in every nuke power nation.

        I'm fine with considering the members of the nuclear gang in Japan as just as sick and dangerous as the Nukist gangsters anywhere else.

        Lets consider them all – Japanese, American, Canadian, French, etc etc etc all gang members of equal status who serve an idea and concept that is hostile to life and attack them all for their lies and corruption and crimes against humanity.

        As for your question, I believe the whole world, particularly the Soviet Union, was supposed to learn that the USA had The Bomb and was quite prepared to use it.
        Here we are. The capacity for Mutually Assured Destruction through nuclear annihilation still exists. Shouldn't every culture learn something from that?