Published: May 19th, 2011 at 12:56 am ET
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Workers enter No.3 reactor, NHK, May 19, 2011:
[...] The utility says it would be difficult to start work on injecting nitrogen gas needed to prevent a hydrogen blast into the [Reactor No. 3] containment vessel under such high radiation levels. [...]
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Published: May 19th, 2011 at 12:56 am ET
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Hard to believe these ”headlines” are real … it’s like some sort of nightmare … while everyone else dreams on
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For the majority of ‘westerners’, brought up on a diet of wizz-bang science, reality TV and junk food, it just isn’t in them to doubt for a moment that the guys in white coats got it wrong, are getting it wrong, will continue to get it wrong.
Whatever the consequences, at least most people here saw it coming, or at least suspected it might come. In the meantime the ‘powers that be’ should have no trouble (with careful manipulation of the MSM) reassuring the masses and preparing them for the next generation of ‘safe’ nuclear power plants… bigger, better, cheaper; coming to a fault line near you.
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This is a very important post. I am sorry I commented to jump the thread. though it needs to be reposted as many times as humanly possible. THIS IS THE TRUTH THEY DO NOT NOT NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW…
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS SITUATION HAS POTENTIAL TO BECOME AN APOCALYPTIC NIGHTMARE?
I came to a grim conclusion. I am glad you ask…
The 100% way to absolutely prove that this crisis is in fact potentially a : “ELE” (EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT)…
Its been right in front of my nose too lol. I asked on http://www.physicsforums.com, one simple question, early on in the crisis:
Why not just detonate it all. Blast it to smithereens?…
Well everyone agreed. That would create over 600,000 metric tons of radiation particles. googles upon googles upon googles of radiation…. Which would infest the planets jet stream… Killing everything on earth…
This comment should be reposted 1000 fold…
The situation in Fact is A ELE. Check every forum and mind on the planet.
Quote me and know the truth: “There is simply no viable way to stop the chain reaction in events to come, leading to this reality”.
If you can. Prove it. If you can’t… accept it…
Q.Why do you think the biggest nuclear crisis, in human history is the last thing any government official wants to comment on…
A. The truth is right in front of you.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DISPROVE ME. I DONT NEED TO PROVE MYSELF. Its not a what if… its a what is.
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Where’s the link to the forum post and responses that say this would be an ELE? I’m looking and getting lost.
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600,000 metric tons? From whose ass did that number emanate?
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I keep thinking I am just having a nightmare and am going
to wake up any minute now.
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Cassie,
Let’s start with the premise that we’re all going to die of something, we just don’t know when. If you knew when you were going to die, what would you do between now and then? Good, now go have some fun and do all the things that you’ve wanted to do. If it turns out that this event isn’t the end of the world, all you’ve done is lived the life you wanted to live.
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I don’t know how much fun I can have knowing that I have done nothing to stop the end of civilization and perhaps humanity. We all had a hand in it. We have all lived on this planet when reactor after reactor was being bought and installed and did nothing to stop it. We smiled at the poor aging hippies, the backward souls who thought they could hold back progress holding up their NO NUKES signs. We drove on past into the future that others saw and we prefered to ignore as we appreciated the finer things in life that living in a rich country could offer us. Now the rich live in slums in South America, rich cause they have the potential for food and water that will sustain them and not kill them…I’m not having much fun with these thoughts running through my head.
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Cuica,
Realize that we cannot control this or any situation. We cannot control other people. The best we as individuals can hope to achieve is to be able to control ourselves. This may seem like an odd statement but think about it in light of all the people in prison, drug addicts, alcoholics, pedophiles and on and on. None of these people could control themselves. Now let’s bring it down to an everyday example, road rage. Just another example of a person unable to control themselves and there are many every day examples. All of these examples have one thing in common: their actions were preceded by thought. If we can control our thoughts, we can control our actions. Some quotes from Descartes have had a profound effect on my life and how I view things, including this one:
“so something which I thought I was seeing with my eyes is in fact grasped solely by the faculty of judgment which is in my mind.”
I have worked to quiet those thoughts in my mind, recognize that there is a lot of injustice and wrong in the world and do my best to control myself, no one else. Living on an island, I was concerned about the contamination in the ocean to the point where I didn’t want to go to the beach. Monday afternoon, we took our granddaughter, had a picnic dinner and the times of our lives. Why should I live in fear of dying, it’s going to happen anyway. If the world were to end on Monday afternoon, that’s how I would have wanted to go out.
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True dat. It is fitting to have different perspectives that call to move on to enjoy everyday (within reason) like it was your last.
Most of us control ourselves in most situations. Those of us who like to have control of our destiny, which we kill ourselves, trying to do, like learn to make money to buy shit and pay more bills, whatever.
Just having these loss of controls (external) make us very uncomfortable.
I am tired of being treated like a mushroom; fed shit and kept in the dark. I’ve come too far with a great life to toss in the hat. At least, yet.
But, I will not go out tolerating troll bullshit or being pollyanna, either.
Do you want to justify and con yourself while stare into the eyes of your grandson, daydreaming, that his future is gong to be worth a pile of shit? then, whatever it takes to deal with it.
I would like to take this head on as anyone should want to do.
Any truth, is good place to start.
(rant off)
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In defense of this, I think each of us have to sort out how we
are going to handle worst case scenarios. It is going to be an individual thing I think and will vary from person to person.
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Al, yes I have come to the same conclusion.
I think as the possible very bad news begins to sink
in I tend to be all over the map. Normal under the circumstances.
But yes of course you are right.
Cassie
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The post just above is in response to Al in HI
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Cassie,
It is very bad news, but the best we can do is be aware of it, prepare for it and try to move on with our lives.
Al
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Al:
Yes, it is quite a process, coming to terms with it all. And moving to calm acceptance.
Live life to the fullest. Good advice no matter what.
Thanks Al.
Cassie
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How long can someone tread water? How many balls cane someone juggle? The mirrors are now breaking. The spit and paper are falling apart. This is the reality part that is coming our way now. The workers are also getting tired of fighting a losing battle. Very sad to read.
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The Truth is breaking the mirrors of lies, coverups, deception and denial into thousands of pieces. Very soon the severity and scale of this catastrophe will make itself known to everyone. It can’t be ignored any longer. It’s horrible.
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These guys are saying (as nicely and calmly as possible), we suddenly have to rush into a contaminated MOX meltdown, that is lethal, and will try to stop the outer containment exploding … soon … but we don’t think we can manage to stop it … we just wanted to make you alll aware of this.
I mean, that’s what they”re saying here, right?
Have I misread this?
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[...] it would be difficult [...]
That phrase is the touchy, tip-toe around, way of saying, “we have no dead men walking” that we can “force” into this nightmare.
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Actually, I thought they might have quite a few of these walking around about now.
I hope they intend to offer these poor sods a hand full of barbiturates … when the time comes.
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No, they aren’t saying that. They couldn’t say that because both primary and secondary containment was lost many weeks ago.
They’re saying there’s not much they can do. The site is uncontained, unstable and too hot for human intervention beyond message control for public order and financial stability. For an example, Noah can’t build an ark effectively if the commoners are disorderly or allowed access to the same information the same time he has it.
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Mothra, what kind of arc is noah building metaphorically speaking?
While they are placating us and lying through their teeth what do you think is happening behind the scenes?
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If I may jump in, Cassie, they haven’t been building the huge underground facilities and stocking them up for nothing. They knew one way or another that this was going to happen, and they prepared. The Ark was built long ago and sat right under our noses while we gobbled up all the massive entertainment and the lies of “the American Dream” and “freedom”.
Not to sound bitter,of course.
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There is no doubt in my mind, all those $trillions going into the defense budget that are typically totally unaccounted for, have been for the building of living premises for the elite in the event of such
“accidents” that we now face.
And always please feel free to jump in any discussion Dis. The more the merrier.
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Yes you have missread it. It’s worse.
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Say more here Dr. S
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why would anyone go inside no3
this game and nightmare is getting sicker as time goes on
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There’s no need to inject nitrogen, reactor 3 holds no pressure. Its core is on or beyond the floor. Refissioning criticality is and has been intermittent for many weeks now.
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TThe funniest thing ever…
You all may think my rants on here are: unlikely, impossible, or downright just crazy.
Here is what you should consider.
They cant fix these reactors. Its impossible…
If you really want to know what happens next = “Every next Article” published will be the next worse thing you can think of that “could”, within all good reason go wrong in its order. Of course until the worst case scenario…
If you do something there is order. Nuclear fuel is a living product. Its job is to create energy until it burns out… The fuel is now a runaway train. tepco isn’t able to anchor the situation Because there is no substance greater than the physics behind it to settle and advert it from becoming A worst case scenario…
But this is what I notice everyone saying:
THIS babababab
That BABABBBA
If I were everyone I would demand that tepco does a complete worst case scenario damage analysis. Which they likely have and isn’t public<- see that.… (see that’s where that last part came in)…
Your all doing this
THIS balblabab
That naknalka
And tepco is keeping the only documentation you need to know from you.
Ya want to know why
Its biblical…
No one on main stream news gots the guts to say it…
But think about it… They can do nothing. And slowly
This situation gets worse and worse and worse…
Its been months. (no recovery). Only prevention…
There wont be recovery
Prevention came from the word prepare…
You should prepare too…
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this is my post btw…
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Deep Fukushima Pacific Ocean drilling and setting of concrete?
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killing the planets entire oceanic system will not end this crisis. but good shot.
also rain clouds come from the ocean’s too.
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Entomb the radiation on all sides with cement deep under the Pacific Ocean sea floor. Underwater robots like those used in the Gulf could manipulate the fuel rods.
Meanwhile, extremely large HEPA filter tents can cover the reactors.
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If you cover the reactors, the accumulation of radiation will make the site too contaminated for human intervention… (Thats even with venting. its just a bad idea. )
Also you cant touch the fuel once its out of the water cooling…
it would break into pieces letting molten nuclear fuel escape, melting anything that touched it… but even if that didn’t happen… You are still proposing to use some unknown nonexistent robotic machinery? to be operated in a low light environment, mind you robotically, in a circus tent, rushing to move a bunch of material (they theoretically can not touch). while somehow shipping it, >? to the ocean ??? while you cant even get into the reactors or their cores. And every known robot to mankind is incapable of doing that work…
Another great attempt. Next…
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With neutron flux, metal in the vicinity becomes radioactive. Corium melt product is magma-like. Too hot to solve. It took some years before even a submarine x-ray photo could be taken of Three Mile Island’s core damage. The entombment at Chernobyl hasn’t worked to date. The tent strategy news is mostly for psychological comfort.
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No, you haven’t misread it. I am afraid the end game is coming for this reactor, and it can happen very soon, like few days.
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Thanks Greg, thought I was going dippy there.
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a chess man
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Is this truly the beginning of the end?
or is this worst case scenario?
would the plumes coming to the
west coast be as radioactive as
tacoma laid out, then we have to
start building shelter somehow or
get the hell out of here==to where?
If this is for real then not much
time left. Have to be calm and
live it out peacefully and lovingly.
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but but … US EPA thinks what you don’t know can’t harm you … see, cheer up … all is well …
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I though I would be of service…
in loo of what “some guy” ^just said.^
(which was me btw).
I am not being paid to do math or read into this. I do not want donations or credit. The situation is beyond the capability of humanities intervention. No world media outlet has let Any Nuclear expert explain in full detail what worse case scenario is. In fact they completely ignore the situation entirely…
I am only telling you there is in fact the largest chance in human history that: This is the big one; The moment we’ve all been waiting for; The grand finale…
The situation with the reactors by fact is A runaway train.
If you can disprove that then gladly post your fail proof recovery plan below. Otherwise.
Case Closed.
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I agree with you Tacomagroove. It’s a runaway Death train full of spent nuclear fuel, building up speed, only to derail and explode thus unleashing Hell on earth. It truly is biblical when viewed from this perspective. Thanks Tacomagroove for your detailed, indepth, no nonsense, TRUTH! It’s very much appreciated.
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where is your proof, mrtacomaguy, your credentials
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I came to a grim conclusion. I am glad you ask…
The 100% way to absolutely prove that this crisis is in fact a: “ELE”.
(EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT).
Its been right in front of my nose too. I asked on physics forum.com one simple question, on day one of the crisis.
Why not just detonate it all. Blast it to smithereens?…
Well everyone agreed. That would create over 600,000 metric tons of radiation particles. Which would infest the planets jet stream… Killing everything on earth…
This comment should be reposted 1000 fold…
The situation in Fact is A ELE. Check every forum and mind on the planet.
“There is no viable way to stop the chain reaction in events to come, leading to this reality”.
If you can. Prove it. If you can’t… accept it…
Q.Why do you think the biggest nuclear crisis, in human history is the last thing any government official wants to comment on…
A. The truth is right in front of you.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DISPROVE ME. I DONT NEED TO PROVE MYSELF. Its not a what if… its a what is.
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answer to some guy
I am anti-ELE guy, so here goes:
1. Stop all the nuclear reactors worldwide today.
2. Hunt the banksta/corp/gov mafia and keep them for future use.
3. Dump all the Fuku shit into the ocean.
4. Recycle the 2.) and make a lot of plastic coating.
5. Cover oceans and seas with it.
6. Remake the weapons factories to produce water (it is possible without nuclear I believe).
7. Create artificial clouds, the technology has been tested already.
8. Once in a while repeat the 2.) for fixing holes in the cover.
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Maybe he’s not real… kinda like the old Eliza simulated psychologist program, a chatterbot that didn’t know anything. It knew how to structure sentences out of what others said, and using some of the same keywords replies or questions in a sort of techno-babel. To someone else who didn’t understand the words it might sometimes even look like someone more intelligent, but it just reformed versions of what it heard thrown back at people.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ELIZA
Some called it artificial intelligence, but it was closer to artificial insanity.
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Nuclear material has to be deposited into the deep sea floor like the deep sea oil rig drilled into the Gulf where the temperature is extremely cold.
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You cant remove it from the cooling. It would go critical. Especially once removed from the present of boron and brought into an oxygen environment.
It would kill anything near it. melting anything it touched. (this is the power of the sun we are talking here)…
Let alone this again is talking after months and months of construction… Just to set up a plan and get the appropriate tools there necessary would likely take up to a year. It took ten years to build these reactors.
The boron, will fail. the fission will reoccur. That is known. There is no way that the continued use of sea water will cool the reactors. Once the use of boron becomes ineffective, all attempts of containment will be hopeless.
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You people sound hysterical. This is not an extinction level event! There will be rises in cancer in the localized area of Fukushima and so fourth but this is not the rapture people! Get a grip.
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It is a “Starvation-Level Event”, over the next year or so,
with all the turmoil, war, sorrows, and, as Biblically taught,
pretty-much “extinction” by the time it’s all over.
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“You people sound hysterical”
Maybe some here that know about herbs and various natural therapies might suggest something to help them?
How about Saint Johns’ Wort and Marijuana?
Probably better to make brownies with that pot than smoke it in case something has contaminated the leaves.
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suspected you were also “some guy” all along – what is your agenda ? Can we buy the Ex-rad from you at a discount? Only the most constructive of input has any value at this stage. The Bible makes no provision for an ELE.(extinction level event) although it does forecast a very high body count especially in the final act – so for those that may believe the Biblical forecast – the most important thing in life at this stage is learning how to be numbered among the survivors.
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Oh fer chrissake, it won’t be an “extinction level event”. Those of us who live another 10+ years will start to see some higher cancer rates. There will be health problems in addition to the cancers, but not acute radiation poisoning. Not in the US at any rate. I wouldn’t recommend relocating to Japan at this time, though.
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I only stated it had potential which nobody can deny
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@tacoma – There is also ‘potential’ for an alien invasion
Fukushima, at worst case will indeed be an ‘extinction level event’ along the same lines as the Hiroshima & Nagasaki dirty bombs, only worse due to far more Pu239 (why the Japanese again?).
Grim as this is, it will still ‘only’ be a localised event, not global. Cancers are another matter, but as the FDA has recently admitted, there is remediation/cure available in an extract of a certain ‘fine herb’ that Dupont rendered illegal sometime back for their own satanic purposes.
Which brings me to scaremongering. Although it is a natural human trait, it is being deliberately played upon and reinforced to produce the maximum amount of Fear, panic anger chaos – this in a time when Love, and its enormous benefits, is slowly becoming more noticeable and operative amongst the many who have learnt to avoid all dealings with the military/corporate hegemony satanists.
It’s an individual choice – live with usury or rise above it.
Love and compassion to all of good heart in these most testing of times,
joeb
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With whom Dupont exchanged rings, GE or AREVA?
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The American people have been abandoned by every agency responsible for correct and valuable information concerning this situation.
Pick anyone you want, EPA, USDA, NRC, etc. It is totally inclusive. Bar none.
All are controlled by the multi-national corp global money system. If the beast system is anything, it is a conglomerate of thousands of corporations that are ruled from the top of the heap.
Greed and the lust for self gratifying power has come to a head and, there is even now, infighting among these few battling for the top positions.
Any major media outlet that dears to step out of line will receive the JFK treatment.
And we now find ourselves seated on the sidelines as these sick, perverted and evil souls prepare for a final battle.
This world has always been this way, except it is now completely global.
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My thoughts ZP, add some modern toys in the hands of those mad idiots, for example nuclear plants about which they have no clue, and voila. I hope that this could still somehow end as a lesson, not sentence.
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Great post.
Food for though to others…
Who did we build all those super cool nuclear fallout shelters for…
Why hasn’t the president addressed this, since:
A. Radiation is in our food
B. Radiation wasn’t supposed to reach the west coast
C. Radiation was monitored by the united states airforce’s Flight teams though results were never released to the public.
Also:
Internationally radiation monitors have all been shut down.
Health limits across the globe are being raised.
Main stream media is losing tons of money not reporting the crisis.
Data is seized and with help from crucial experts globally who could help. (smirk ). potentially advert this crisis.
The signs are all pointing to a complete world black out of media only inclusive to those that truly have interest in the issue.
Take pleasure in who you are conversing with now on these forums… I doubt most who are reluctant to educate and pay attention to the crisis. Will have any chance at surviving in the zardos of a world that we have now created…
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“Internationally radiation monitors have all been shut down.”
Not quite – the ground stations still operative do not as yet show any great general rise in background gamma. This implies either that Xenon etc are still high in the atmosphere, or the concentrations are not as high as predicted…
Only time will show us what steps to take – meanwhile we will endeavor to keep some stations running.
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I’m pretty sure MSM are not reporting on it because no one gives a shit anymore. The Japanese have controlled the information very nicely so that basically most of the world thought it was only a problem for a few days. Now that they’re admitting that it was/is worse than they said, most people won’t become interested again unless there’s a dramatic explosion, or maybe a celebrity gets fried by the radiation while flying overhead.
As news, it just doesn’t sell anymore. They have instant feedback nowadays on what is popular.
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Exactly right ZombiePlanet. You mentioned the “elite” bloodline in an earlier post. What if someone from that same bloodline chose to wage a final battle against them instead of with them?
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ZP – disregard my question. You answered it already.
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Zombie, in hindsight we should have known it would come to this.
Cassie
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Hi Cassie – the fundamental problem has always been the intensity of diversion programming arrayed against those who might just be bothered to find out who is their nemisis. Put simply, generations of Americans have been discouraged to actually READ rather than gawp at the toob.
If you’re still in the mood for learning, these obscure but empowering books might help a few more people to face reality. It will also make it self evident to the meanest intelligence that the entire world is being held in thrall by only around 300 ‘people’. Does that sink in?:-
W.G.Carr “Pawns in the Game” 1958
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/pawns_inthegame/pawns_contents.htm
Eustace Mullins “Secrets of the Federal Reserve”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_fed06.htm#menu
Fritz Springmeier “13 Bloodlines”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm
and “Monarch”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm
John Coleman – Diplomacy by Deception
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/diplomacy_deception/diplomacy_deception.htm#Table%20Of%20Contents – particularly chapter 6. then
John Coleman – Conspirators Hierarchy
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm
Political Ponerology
http://ponerology.com/
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Hi Joeb:
Thank you for your response and reading list!
Looks very good, I am going to take a look.
Basically you are preaching to the choir here.
I have done much reading along these lines.
The Illuminati is alive and well.
Have your read: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters by James W. Douglass. Excellent and heart breaking.
Cassie
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just another day at the admusment park
night all
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Reactor 3 already exploded and blew its core all over the place in March. This is just obfuscation.
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Many feel the prior reactor 3 nuclear explosion was the fuel pool – not the core.
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There was also a night time blast that was not recorded via cam !
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Alot of people ask. What should I do… I thought I’d write a piece on that…
Stay informed.
Educate yourself.
Watch the movie “The Road”.
In all reality this is an event that will unfold.
THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF IF.
THIS IS A MATTER OF WHEN!
In the mean time, find comfort in being prepared as best you can. (be prepared mentally as well). You are already ahead of the curve for paying attention and asking questions…
Keep calm and remain focused so that, in the event “You do” find yourself living in a post apocalyptic nuclear situation. You have tools and training for survival.
Learn about the common known types of nuclear radiation such as beta gamma and alpha. Learn how they effect you internally and externally.
Learn how to protect and shield yourself from it. Mass will stop any radiation. Though the amount of mass in “quantity” must be able to provide enough protection to support a contamination free environment.
The denser the mass the better. Think lead, Metal, concrete ect. 6ft should be sufficient to stop gamma radiation.
Download a copy of the following to a laptop charge the battery and keep it in your emergency kit at all times:
google earth.
a survival guide.
A fallout guide.
A text document from wikipedia Labeling:
Types of radiation; radiation exposure charts;
And a radiation converting chart; This way in an emergency you have written material’s and guides, on hand. to help you survive.
Also it would be helpful to even create a radiation jump suit. so that you can move around freely if you find your self in a dangerous situation.
Nuclear fallout guide’s are a great place to start btw… I suggest You start your adventure by reading this article… It’s a few pages of everything you really need to know…( print a backup of this one…)
Call this the new bible: http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
The situation; May I remind you; could get very ugly. I assume without a doubt it will. There is no shame in being aware…
stay alert, and don’t waste time. If you want to be prepared. Do so intelligently. Many of my friends have told me I shouldn’t worry about this situation. They are certainly misinformed.
I will admit no shame in treating it with the respect it deserves. It truly is thus far the biggest tragedy to ever occur on the planet, in humanities wake.
I will also remind you:
TEPCO. <—- Does not have a plan.
If your toilet was over flowing for hours, and you did not fix it. the situation still gets worse. It rots the floor, then it molds; rots your support beams ect.
and if you dropped a duece, and everyone would literally faint if they went in to fix it???
well thats the point, there…
If you don't fix it, I just demonstrated how the situation will continue to slowly and slowly get worse…
so here is my point.
Fukushima is the toilet.
People are not fainting from the smell. they are dieing. The floor and so on are the walls in which the nuclear fuel will slowly conquer and overcome. Until you lose your house.
Tepco has demonstrated that there is no sufficient way to end that said "chain reaction"…
Thus your toilet just totaled your house.
So its really up to you, on how you "feel" you should be "reacting" right now… before your sitting at home reading and are forced to deal with the !$h!t!.
p.s.once again if you have a fail proof plan on adverting the crisis. post below;(please forward that plan to tepco too);).
Otherwise. to the best of my knowledge. this "ELE" is a 100% realistic scenario, and is in no way a form of fear mongering. <—thats not even a term.
You just shouldn't keep reading about the big bad radiation if you cant process and accept the situation in its fullest integrity.
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Caesium-134 has a half-life of 2.0652 years
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Cesium-137 has a half-life of 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesium
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You want a realistic scenario, Get together a global military effort; build a command center, and send troops or robots, remote controlled mining vehicles, which we have the technology for to dig under the reactors and devise a system of blasting water, or high pressure air to scatter molten fuel. That is the hard engineering part, but it has to be done. I thought maybe some kind of metal could be mixed somehow to the fuel to dilute the concentration on the fuel. Id say learn from Chernobyl and dig under the reactors. Maybe use wrecking machines to start tearing down the walls of the buildings, and burying the concrete and steel, and use giant machines to effectively get to the molten lava. This is 2011, and I heard there was an American team there right now. Imagine if the war effert were focused on Fukushima, Imagine if the world was watching this event and we all could work together like we did with cfc’s and the ozone hole. Imagine if we could make the most of this situation and start closing Nuclear Power plants, and come out with hydrogen feul cell motors. I think that an event like this is the only way for the world to change the opinion of these energys. We should be protesting in front of the EPA, and this should be talked about on every news station. I cant believe that there is only one active website posting this material and a few worried people. We are all in this together, except for Ronald Regan who sold the MOX fuel to Japan to bad he never had to witness his mistake, Thats what happens with cowboys in the government.
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these are the articles I like to read;)
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this is also why my personality is loud here.
I feel like if I write enough posts. saying…. Uhm. guys… did ya read this. that in time. the articles will be demanded. Thats what we need. Demand. Cnn will be forced to report if enough people boycott them. Thats the point. this situation… Its nuclear. Don’t you all care… ?
Work together. The solution is only going to come if enough resources are applied to the problem. Thats why I write. thats why I contribute.
Without the proper exposure. It doesn’t matter which venue you book. If no one knew the beatles were playing at your event. No ones going to the show.
The trick to being an event planner is exposure.
Lets get some exposure on this.
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Some guy, it seems surreal that we have to beg, plead, cajole, advertise
so that people will notice and take action. I always wondered what it would take to get people’s attention, and if Fukushima doesn’t, then nothing ever will.
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Usury + Fluoride + Aspartame + Junkfood + TV = Docile Slaves
The opposite has far more benefit…
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im still a victim of Usury, got rid of the others a few years ago
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Thanks Rick for your posts.
I just wish the international community had the will to intervene.
The total silence and sitting on hands is puzzling to say the least.
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dear GR- from http://www.hubberts-arms.org/index.php/topic,6833.15.html
A) First death Friday – yeah, some 60ish worker in extreme heat wearing a portable greenhouse. Heat exhaustion. Writer says “meaning the situation is already well beyond cataclysmis”. Yeah, old guy has heatstroke=proof that in 38 days this thing will go critical. Sure. I wish the mother-fucker who wrote this would just shut up and pop a fat cap in his dome so he won’t be around to feel the disappointment when we don’t all die screaming in 38 DAYS!
B) Fuel through the floor and into groundwater in “no less than 1-6 hours” – looking at TepCo info, there’s about 40-60′ of dirt/sand/rock between the two. All of which will significantly dilute the molten blob. And in 1-6 hours? Where the hell did that come from?
c) 600,000 spent fuel rods? NFW. This number is wrong. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/17/957402/-11,195-spent-fuel-rods-stored-at-Fukushima
MY RESPONSE to your articles…
First off.
A. – B.
I stated only that tepco cant use boron after the now 37 days. SO they will likely be forced to abandon the site… once the cooling is idle with neutrons creating high excess thermal fission;
B.(continued from A.) The fuel “then” could make it through the soil into the water table within 1-6 hours… This isn’t anything more than cause and effect…
Secondly:
your article of 11,195 fuel rods only accounts for spent fuel pools 5 and 6. not all the rods on site. Look up 600,000 spent nucelar fuel rods on any search engine…
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I was re-reading an old post in response to cassie… check it out !!
SabreKai
May 18, 2011 at 6:00 pm · Reply
Cassie, don’t be doing anything silly because of what this mutt has said. First off, the death on site was a 60 year old man working in a plastic suit like a green house. He died of heat exhaustion. Secondly there are no 600,000 fuel rods on site, its closer to 11,500.
Things are indeed bad, but not cataclysmic like this guy would have you believe. While there is a huge risk of a steam explosion, the China syndrome as we commonly know it is a bit of a joke. A mass of fuel will indeed melt a hole in things. The metal and concrete and sand and stuff it has to melt through adds its mass to the original melt. It dilutes the fuel a bit more cutting down on the temperature. At some point, (hopefully before it reaches the water table) the melt will have become so diluted that it can no longer maintain a liquid state. At this point it will solidify but be very hot thermally as well as radioactively.
The evidence of this is what is known as the “elephants foot” at Chernobyl. Those guys sweated for months trying to figure out where the fuel had gone, they were actually planning to install chillers under the basement of the reactor to cool the melt. However, as mentioned, it diluted itself to the point where it could no longer remain a liquid. Not only that but the melt ran in different directions through existing pipes and dispersed itself enough to prevent any further fission.
I suggest you sit back, make yourself a decent drink and start doing some research. There are lots of groups out there looking at this mess 24/7 who have the technical skills to make intelligent comments instead of this unmitigated horseshit.
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I read the actual news article about the man dying, and it stated that the man had just started to work there, and had been complaining that he wasn’t feeling well beforehand ..
I believe it was heat exhastion, ever worn a plastic suit in the sun ?
I think the news media will report things when they are newsworthy, it’s just that the flavor of the month has changed…
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still didn’t explain the reason they took everyone to the doctors office. I suppose that was unrelated…
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I dunno about you but the article I saw seemed pretty self explanatory to me. take a whole bunch of people and stuff them in substandard living quarters with limited food types, poor hygiene and make a lot of them old people. The results would seem to be as indicated. Read the article and take notice of the fact that no time period is mentioned for these evacs. Is this since the beginning in March or in the last few days. I think the newspapers have once again gone for inaccurate reporting. Why they did it is unknown but without quantifying and qualifying their story with facts, its just so much scary stories.
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heres the article I read
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/nearly-3000-taken-to-hospitals-by-ambulances-from-quake-shelters
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I replied to this down below;)
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Fukushima worker’s told his internal radiation level is 30,000 cpm — “That’s never happened before” how about the new news… also they only are reporting to check 10 percent of employees…
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I just hope that with this disaster all the people of the world can come together to build a better future. Im going to have to stay opptimistic with you Cindy. And if not, I thought of living on a frozen cave, drinking million year old ice, and eating algae, and spam. Lets protest the EPA, thats whats important right now, the power of the people to take control of our lieing government, and let the people know the truth on the safety of the public.
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I agree rick
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I read that one. I will admit I am a little backed up. my inbox is full or questons. (i just joined that site but am waiting mod approval btw). The bottom line.
Im no mutt lol.
But I will respond to this tactfully. as I always have lol.
First issue you had was fuel rods… HERE: 600,000 fuel rods.
http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclear-rods-blown-sky-high/
“We’d be lucky if we only had to worry about the spent fuel rods from a single holding pool. We’re not that lucky. The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools for spent fuel rods. Six of these are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies. The common pool holds 6291 fuel rod assemblies. [The common pool has windows on one wall which were almost certainly destroyed by the tsunami.] Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.”
Thats where I got that figure.
Second issue
cataclysmic: Def.: bringing about ruin or misfortune <a cataclysmal decision to plunge the nation into war. ect…
Next issue: this isnt chernobly. There is significant evidence that the fuel in the fukushima reactors burnt a whole large enough to let 300,000 some odd metric tons into the reactors basement. that being said. You also took my words out of context. That is on the condition that the molten fuel fissions out of control. which is likely in the event the thermal fission is no longer being effected by the boron in the cooling system.
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I WANT TO SAY IM NOT GETTING ANYTHING BUT FRIENDSHIP AND INFORMATION / EDUCATION FROM THIS> I DONT ADVISE YOU TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT LEARN AND MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISIONS… I AM NOT A PREACHER, I DONT WANT TO BE> I HAD NO IDEA MY POST IS THE ONLY APPARENT THOUGHT THROUGH “WCS” (worse case scenario) ONLINE WORTH SPECULATING OVER LOL.
I am actually a pretty laid back dude that thought Id say. Hey… Are ya ffing serious. Since march 12th… I am happy to say Ive learned alot. I am pretty sure I have a solid understanding of what we are basically looking at. And I will be honest. I don’t like Its either. But Im not freaking out. I am just typing and learning, and teaching, and speculating just like anyone else.
If people are going to be rude. or even worse immature: Because I am making every attempt to do something good. I will no longer continue in attempting to be helpful. I am happy to shut up just like the main stream media. I just thought it was the speaking against it that was getting the data released in the first place.
If thats unfair. or too hard to understand, take a nap. I think I am being an awesome person for speaking out…
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hehe, me to.
I live in a fallout sone, so from the begning I was able to follow, as many others a am fairly shore. I wanted to respond and give some hints, and represents just me.
I have no fear for mother earth, just the consequences and potensiale for all of us and the rest of life on this plant after this acsident.
Thats it.
“It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them.”
Mark Twain
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Maybe it is very difficult, at this stage, to stop the melted cores from going critical, but if you forget about trying to save the ground water and immediately start heaping enormous amounts of clay, sand and earth on top of the site, couldn’t that, with a bit of luck, substantially reduce the amount of radioactive particles that will get into the atmosphere?
If there is an explosion when the melted core gets down to the ground water, there is at least a chance that it will be weak enough to eject relatively small amounts of radioactive matter into the air, after which the sand and clay falls back and covers the bottom of the resulting crater.
The explosion could disperse the fissionable material inside the sand and clay, perhaps stopping or limiting further fission. You could then drop more sand into the crater from the air using remotely controlled helicopters.
The radioactivity that enters the ground water will also spread to the ocean, I suppose, but the ground will act as a filter, keeping a lot of it contained.
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Putting any substance other than water on the fuel rods… = You are only adding fuel to the fire. That is the main reason the sarcophagus technique is not being implored.
The encasement (or suffocation) would also only create a hotter thermal effect on the environment in the fuel. Leading to a more likely chance in explosion.
Also by putting soil on to the rods, the reaction would be an instant vaporization. Leading to even higher, atmospheric releases.
The situation is a damned if you do damned if you don’t type of setting…
plague the ocean, or plague the continents. Either way humanity would suffer the consequences…
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The outlook is simple.
Unless Tepco can convince several hundred thousand people to commit suicide, in order to build a containment structure under it, around it and over it, nothing can be done.
Radiation will continue to spew out into the environment.
Prevailing winds and currents will spread it across the entire planet.
Eventually everyone will die from it.
It’s as simple as that.
But wait there’s more ……
There will be other reactors in trouble, that we don’t even know about yet, guaranteed.
The Japanese people will finally start to get an idea later this year and early into next year, when the birth deformity rates go off the charts.
Unless they build a hermetically sealed containment structure, it’s game over.
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There’s not much radiation spewing right now, the US levels have gone way down, undetectable most places.
It’s not a given that radioactive stuff will be blown up into the atmosphere. It could stay in groundwater and leak out to the ocean.
The corium in #3 is probably already contacting groundwater imo, but apparently not enough to cause explosions to break out. That could happen though if the corium continues to heat up from little criticalities. I think it’s just as likely that it will become diluted enough to remain underground or in the sea. I guess it could go either way.
But even if some does blow into the atmosphere, that’s not where most of it will go, and most of the rods, shut down reactors, etc are not likely to get caught up in some monster explosions. So you can’t put together all the radioactive stuff into the same airborne basket and say that it’s mostly going to waft over and dump on the US.
I think we’ll see plenty of fallout here, but not acute radiation poisoning. We’ll have increased cancer rates after a while. Not extinction.
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That’s encouraging.
I think.
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Wang Dehong, who has been farming watermelons for 20 years, couldn’t understand why his fruit also exploded …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13421374
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There is a tremendous amount of radiation spewing out right now. (its already accumulating across the entire globe) but to the same respect your right…
We have naturally only seen a small proportion of the release to be expected (given the amount of fuel present)
You are also kinda right there too. there is no way of knowing that the release will be mainly atmospheric. It could be entirely oceanic. Either way the release “will be” released. So were still screwed…
I was surprised to read the comment on the declining radiation levels… (as the epa cut off all realtime radiation monitoring). So I feel that is a baseless claim.
Either way. you say potato I say prepare. Not cause something bad will happen. But because it can. Until tepco figures it out. I’d take the bet, that has better odds.
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? ? We have to wonder how big will an Explosion be with the amount of fuel it has ? ?
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Will we even find out about an explosion?
Buried on the back pages, while the world reads about Ahnold’s love child?
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Well that would be better then FEELING it under your feet or laying in bed in the middle of the night, would need a news agent to tell me what it was, think we all would know instantly !
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What the people want is a manual for this.
They want background information and links.
They want the opportunity to do editorial and debate the experts.
They want to know exactly what is going to happen.
They want answers served up in a upbeat tone.
So ..a person tells them.
But it isn’t what they want to hear.
Rinse… repeat.
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Unfortunately, there is no manual for this and most scientist are unsure of much as to what may happen at the plant !
We have never been here before !
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@xxrfox..Exactly….they want what a chart to what can’t be charted..they want descriptions of the what can not be described…
A person has to DEDUCE.. these things with the facts at hand.
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There is no batting around the term..ELE..lightly.
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@xdrfox..add this to all the methane and other toxins still dissapating into the air from the GOM.
Eventual oxygen compromise.
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You are right Heart.
This is exactly what people want and it is hard
to accept that there are no links, no information, no consensus,
and no answers. And no happy ending, just more and more bad news.
Cassie
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xdrfox- Just started spraying my plants with bentonite clay water–the new growth is ‘normal’ again! Does nothing for the damaged leaves that exist, obviously. Oh, I also sprinkled baking powder into my growing medium.??? Still stunted–but not as rain damaged.
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I have been seeing all the same problems as last year on plants here, but the growth brown bubble like fungus is on more and much higher numbers of trees affected. Really makes one wonder as to what is in the food that is grown locally. The deformed leaves are disturbing for they may be showing the disruptor’s that was put into the GOM to eat the oil may be having disrupting results beyond the GOM waters !
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Jill, what does baking powder do for your plants? Do you mean baking soda? Do you have to worry about making the soil too alkaline? Just wondering. This is a whole new ball game.
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make that baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, of course
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look at live webcam now, wtf?
http://newsslice.wordpress.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-updates/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg
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Well the CDC has FINALLY stepped up and given us instructions on how to prepare for the worst case scenario (this is no joke):
http://emergency.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp
This is an article commenting on the above:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032454_zombie_apocalypse_CDC.html
You can’t make this stuff up. We are truly in Oz.
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Yes..Oz..they also planted the word quarantine.
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Sur-fucking-real….
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Desperate morons…
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Here’s a link to an interview with a former chief of the Daiichi plant: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/the-scale-of-the-accident-was-beyond-my-imagination/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=051911
Futami: When a station black out occurs, water level drops down very rapidly. So the first several hours to 24 hours are very important. At Fukushima Dai-1, please remember that all diesel generators and power centers were covered with seawater, and that the heat removal seawater system was completely lost. Under these circumstances, I am convinced that no one could have prevented similar damages…
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Well, not building nuclear plants at all could prevent you wasting your time here. Geothermal is confirmed cheaper already, not taking into account the expenses of managing nuclear waste, which could be dangerous up to 1,000,000 years depending on isotopes.
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Yes, it appears the Earth itself is a giant nuclear reactor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal
GEOTHERMAL ENERGY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_energy
“Geothermal power is cost effective, reliable, sustainable, and environmentally friendly,[2] but has historically been limited to areas near tectonic plate boundaries. Recent technological advances have dramatically expanded the range and size of viable resources, especially for applications such as home heating, opening a potential for widespread exploitation. Geothermal wells release greenhouse gases trapped deep within the earth, but these emissions are much lower per energy unit than those of fossil fuels. As a result, geothermal power has the potential to help mitigate global warming if widely deployed in place of fossil fuels.”
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Anna,
Baking soda I meant, Yes? Indeed, under NORMAL circumstances, perhaps the pH would go too high. But think about the acidification we need to buffer here, right? I read it here yesterday, a woman I think from Oregon said she can buy 50#’s of zeolite for $9 up in Oregon. She also said that she was sprinkling baking soda, with the zeolite, into both her soil and her chicken coops, etc,…
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Question: If there is mold or fungi growing on top of the soil of seedlings it must be too wet. What to do besides let it dry out a bit?
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The number three reactor suffered a nuclear explosion not a hydrogen one as conversed.
There is no vessel to pump water into, there is a big hole in the floor below and a real hot mess below that. on the live cam you could see intermittent blue flashes of light emitting from the now skeletal reactor building, this was probably cherenkov radiation, recriticality occurring. This reaction is outside now exposed to the elements and emitting lots of radiation.
There is a video of the explosion here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=874_1300081369
Compare this with the other two hydrogen explosions, a mushroom cloud can be clearly seen, also the smoke and flames are briefly sucked back in, like in a nuclear thermic explosion. Spent fuels rods, radioactive steam and water and tons upon tons of highly irradiated debris spread far and wide, internally in Japan and externally in the world.
Whats gets me apart from the complete media blackout / falsified fallout readings etc etc is that there is no radiation absorbing materials being dropped into the areas like with Chernobyl, after just 10 days the situation, although very serious was pretty much under control.
I just feel sad there are now many places in the world I probably cannot visit now, let alone the people inhabiting those places. Very sad indeed.
On a cheerier note, visit http://www.catford.co.uk
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Very strange indeed,….Northern Cali. is having the first sunny day in about four days and there are yellow flecks in the air when the sunshine hits it,…so much so that it makes your eyes hurt, throat burn, nose run,…and I am not prone to pollen reactions–in 50 years. Strange.
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“Difficult” is TEPCO’s middle name.
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Make a bugout bag, something could happen to where you may not be able to stay at your location and all plans are off !
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