Published: August 31st, 2012 at 5:04 pm ET
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August 31, 2012 report by Kyodo News translated by EXSKF:
After the amount of water being injected into Reactors 1, 2, and 3′s Reactor Pressure Vessels at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant had temporarily dropped below the level specified in the safety regulations, TEPCO announced on August 31 that the company flushed the pipes [...] TEPCO will wait and see if the amount of water injected into the RPVs recovers before deciding whether the second flushing is necessary.
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According to TEPCO’s Junichi Matsumoto, “There is no conclusive evidence to narrow down the possible causes, and it is unknown whether the flow will recover.”
Published: August 31st, 2012 at 5:04 pm ET
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And the temperatures in Reactors 1 – 4 are???Rising? Stable? Dropping. Its got to be one of the three..if no water injectied all bsts are on "rising." Funny..no mention of "temperature" from TEPCO. Guess the devices are all "broke."
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http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120831_02-e.pdf
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"And the temperatures in Reactors 1 – 4 are???Rising? Stable? Dropping."
This really does not matter, the cores are no longer in the reactors, where they are seems to be the $64,000 question.
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Did r-3 explode? How could it have flow? Don't hold down the handle to long.
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But TEPCO..you're specialists..you are supposed to know.
You don't know..what do you mean you don't know?
Your explanation is unacceptable.
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Dear Heart of the Rose,
This seems very disturbing because I'm not sure what it means -more squid ink?! Is there international networking/problem-solving going on? Do these folks read ENENews?
'TEPCO will wait and see… '
Aloha.
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This is madness. Global citizens need to unite to evacuate ALL of Japan. And in their place-the Japanese islands- will go all of the corrupt bankers, politicians, lifer penal system prisoners, and militia from every country. The existing prisons globally outside of Japan could be torn down and turned into new housing for the evacuees.
Tepco is about to burn a hole that will permanently change the ozone or the surface of the earth. This radioactivity is leaking onto the rocks that comprise earthquake faults. There still is no real eta for containment.
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with you kalidances…
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They aren't 'about to'. They already have.
It's one thing to have hope. It's another to not see reality.
It's time to hope that the next stop on our journey is better than this one. That and compassion for our fellow life forms.
No more Bodhidharmas. The cycle ends.
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I just posted a link to my analysis on the ozone and Fukushima in the discussion forum.
Very scary possibility that Fukushima may be linked to suddenly worsening drought, ozone depletion, and Arctic Ice melt-off
My data and analysis here:
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/might-fukushima-explain-rapid-recent.html
Critical piece of evidence:
Limited Nuclear War Could Deplete Ozone Layer, Increasing Radiation Feb 24, 2011 Chris Schneidmiller
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/limited-nuclear-war-could-deplete-ozone-layer-increasing-radiation/
[Excerpted] — A nuclear conflict involving as few as 100 weapons could produce long-term damage to the ozone layer, enabling higher than "extreme" levels of ultraviolet radiation to reach the Earth's surface, new research indicates (see GSN, March 16, 2010).
“A regional nuclear exchange of 100 15-kiloton weapons … would produce unprecedented low-ozone columns over populated areas in conjunction with the coldest surface temperatures experienced in the last 1,000 years, and would likely result in a global nuclear famine,” according to a presentation delivered on Friday at a major science conference in Washington.
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Dear Majia,
You've made a difference in my life and those I love.
Sincere thanks for your steadfastness to this site, your brilliance and hard work
Aloha.
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agreed andagi. Majia is phenomenal…
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Thanks all for the warm fuzzies
I just wish we could raise awareness outside of the readers here…
Everyone around me has forgotten the disaster ever occurred and certainly has no idea it is ongoing!
The news that does eek out is often outrageous:
E.G.:
The International Atomic Energy Agency will help Fukushima Prefecture implement decontamination measures and conduct health checks on local residents…
…Sato later told reporters that the IAEA support will help bring a sense of security to Fukushima residents….
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120901_04.html
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@Majia: "I just wish we could raise awareness outside…" If you haven't gathered by now, it's not about quantity, it's about quality.
This site is heavily monitored by so many 'concerned' parties, nothing of significance is missed, or, for that matter…is quickly dismissed. The genuine efforts of this site's participants are having a significant impact on those you'd most want to influence; albeit…an 'invisible' one…
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majia, I also wish we could raise awareness outside of the readers here.
The only way I see that happening is if the media continue to report on it, if the public sees the correct data, and if the leaders of the Countries talk about this openly to the public.
Other than that, for many it's just hear say and there will be eyes that roll.
People still believe that anything dangerous would be handled differently by our leaders. That there would be warnings or any information that has to do with health and environment of this world.
Unfortunately, things are not treated this way, no matter where you live the public is the last to know or sometimes not at all.
This is no such thing as full disclosure to the public.
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Continued:
I guess we are going to have to reach people one by one. It might be harder, but the numbers of people are growing against nuclear.
There are some who are starting to realize what the disaster Fukushima means, even what is behind the sink holes, and what is happening with our environment all because of greed and power.
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it is unknown whether the flow will recover
Now What??
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I'm glad the ones U love have listened Mine have looked at me and laughed at me for thinking that this is an ELE event not necessarily just this but with the hole in Louisiana this among other things I only wish I could move to the wilderness build me a cabin and forget civilization but if I'm wrong about all this being ELE then my children suffer from lack of education and civilian life knowledge and
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really that's the choice right now for me is try and find a place northern Canada or stay in the jet stream either way eventually me and my family will be irradiated along with most of the population when is the right time for just my family.. and all of yours my thoughts are with the people if we survive this Ièd say god bless but seems invalid anymore
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When is the time to look after just us and I do mean my family when is it enough
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Ace33. it's really tough to not feel "in crisis mode" all the time, or at least it is for me. I treasure distracting wonderful moments – children, butterflies, hummingbirds, watching people who're generally unaware, or not fully captured by 'crisis mode', take pleasure in their lives. I really don't want others to be quite as preoccupied as I am. (Sometimes I feel pretty annoyed with people who – to me – are intentionally choosing to pretend we'll soon be "back to normal" but then I think maybe they can't handle the overwhelming load of steady awareness.)
I don't know what we can to do stir more wakefulness except to keep talking – dropping small bits of information if that's all the 'space' we're "allowed" before the conversation veers back to whatever's "comfortable".
It seems to me none of us know how all earth's critical conditions will play out. It's hard for me to believe sufficient numbers will come to awareness to take remedial action in time to avoid disaster. I'm too aware not only of nuclear but of condition of oceans, new enthusiasm for off-shore drilling, massive earth destruction re shale oil and fracking, atmospheric and climate changes.
It's really hard many days for me to take interest in anything oriented toward "the future" except activities that are "earth care" focused. But I remind myself I still don't know how everything will play out – sometimes that helps.
(more…)
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Wanted to add one more preoccupation I have re all the above. It's my observation that we're not paying any attention at all to what it is about our psychology that has let us create a severely damaged world – with wars, extreme poverty, dependence on slave or near-slave workers, etc. Even if everything tumbles into a miserable heap, I know some will survive, and I wish they could do so with greater wisdom, empathy, and compassion. I'm afraid it will be more like a "re-set" of the same old patterns and I don't think that's how it has to be.
BTW – as to who will survive – I think it will be people all over the place. Even the Fukushima region will have survivors. We can analyze "probability" but I think "possibility" will play a part. Wherever you (or any of us) are living is perhaps as good a place as any.
Enjoy – treasure – your family. As to energy and concentration to care for larger community and world – do what you can. It's all any of us can do .. and with luck … each small contribution may make an ultimate positive difference, even if it doesn't seem likely or even "rational" to believe so!
AND – thank goodness for ENE as a place to share not only technical info but also our experience dealing with all this!
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Dear Ace33,
I'm glad you're posting. I'm so glad you've been reading ENENews. There is a wealth of info here. If you're like some of us, you can't just leap. Keep asking, posting and reading. Use what's here to formulate the best decisions for you and yours. It's tough.
We're here for you!
Aloha.
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Brilliant, majia. Thank you.
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Yep, Majia rocks, nuff said
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"It will not take many years to utterly destroy the encircling protective walls which surround this planet and protect the Earth from burning up by the sun's hot rays."
(Walter Russell, Newsletter of the University of Science and Philosophy)
http://ratical.org/radiation/HoLLR.html
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Hi Majia, Interesting post and links. It might also explain the visible increase in chemtrail activity I've personally noted over the last year or so??! Could "they" be trying to replace the depleted ozone layer via some other possibly "crap" technology?!! We may never get to find out the answers until the "results" speaks for itself! I hope this post finds you and your family well Majia
-Have a nice holiday weekend! JB
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Whatever it is, they need help. Way.
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As a partially-trained linguist, I note the phrasing. The problem arises from "the flow", "the reactor drop", "the… water… recovers"… but never "we".
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Yes – using language to describe an event without including responsibility suggests an "act of god". Or it suggests the reactor, and the water, perhaps other parts of the system, have independent choice and the water flow problem has nothing to do with human design or management.
I recently caught an observation of how common this language pattern is with "the economy", "the stock market", etc. The pattern is so common in our everyday description of events we don't think about it. "When my car slipped off the road I'd have been OK except a tree got in the way". (Neither the car nor the tree made an independent, mindful, choice.)
When we hear these descriptions our brain language processing "flash-fixes" the inaccuracy so we *feel* that it "makes sense". We seldom notice and challenge these inaccuracies. Nearly all politics, advertising, and public relations statements are designed to take advantage our non-critical awareness of subtle meaning. Our not noticing is among the key reasons we're duped again and again!
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(I first explored language patterns and communication while reading early NLP books that included descriptions of "transformational grammar". "The Structure of Magic", Vol.1, by Richard Bandler and John Grinder, was particularly good.)
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Algeezer – forgot to say – Good Call! I'm usually as oblivious as anyone … we need to sharpen our listening so we can call out inaccurate or incomplete information!
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You are as sharp as anyone, Maggie123, and much sharper than most, but "seeing through the game is not the same as excelling at it". I don't excel at it – I hope you do – it's a pleasure reading your posts.
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Aigeezer – it was quite a few years ago that I studied language patterns by which we "delete, distort and nominalize" events and our experience. My focus was interpersonal communication. The pattern you noticed is "nominalization" if I remember correctly as per transformational grammar. I'm not nearly as sharply aware as I was. Mostly these days I notice use of "trigger words" (and images) that evoke emotional responses rather than support critical thinking. The language pattern you flagged slipped right by me. (Do patterns 'slip'?)
These official Fuku reports don't carry emotional trigger words in the way that advertising and political speeches do – although sometimes headlines do. I think the Fuku official reports are worded to create distance between the officials and any possible responsibility. I also think all these patterns are so pervasive that even the people who use them sometimes aren't aware – not always "calculating". But they still need to be called on it! Explanations are not justification! By calling speakers on this kind of evasive language, we improve communication generally, IMO. (I'll probably be more aware myself for a few days at least – thanks!)
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raises the interesting perspective/specter of subliminal messages and telepathic control. the 80's movie They Live showed this well. they might just be products of a certain kind of management culture, or they might be mind controlled zombies from dark Satanic mills.
pattern recognition and not playing the game is the way to go.
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And here is how the NRC responded, releasing this piece of garbage today.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2012/12-097.pdf
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Dear dosdos,
I recognize what you coped with to post this. Such well-funded, completely detached, (might I say heartless?), eloquent intellectual preponderance… 'I'm fine… you're fine? …I'm really fine… so, we're fine …right?'
Aloha.
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interesting find dosdos. What's really interesting is the list of directives being imposed so late in the game. What on earth have these people been doing over the last sixty years? Reminds of the revelations of Mineral & Mining Management employees trolling the net for porn and partying with oil company executives, while the planet's being poisoned with crude oil leaks. So now we're discovering that the universe's most deadly technology was being deployed within our planet's biosphere and no one thought to put-in any safety protocols? Just exactly how stupid are these monkeys?!
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Basically window dressing; pumps, vents, generators. That's it. Bare bone econo upgrades, and if the utility doesn't like it, they can change the guidelines to suit themselves.
And the NRC continues to ponder extending the licenses to 80 years.
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From that NRC guidelines document:
"The second Order applies only to U.S. boiling-water reactors that have “Mark I” or “Mark II” containment designs. Mark I reactors must improve installed venting systems that help prevent core damage in the event of an accident; Mark II reactors must install these venting systems. The ISG for this Order provides more detailed technical information on the vents, as well as how vent designs and operating procedures should avoid, where possible, relying on plant personnel taking actions under hazardous conditions."
SP: "SHOULD AVOID, WHERE POSSIBLE"
Interesting suggestion, but we know the vents rarely work after an earthquake/and/or/tsunami has smashed the building roof. So nuclear workers will indeed be exposed to "hazardous conditions".
Controlling nuclear plants is similar to me trying to keep a Bengal tiger on a staked dog leash in my backyard.
The tiger WILL get out and eat someone, probably me.
The same is true for nuclear workers…they will not escape unscathed when their reactor explodes.
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"It can't happen here. It can't happen here. Oh, baby, it's important that you believe me, bah-bah-bah-bah, that it can't happen here." (Frank Zappa)
Jaczko is conspicuous in his absence.
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Good eye, dosdos. Perhaps he will come roaring back after Labor Day (or not).
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I'm going with the "(or Not)."
Now back to my regular TV programing.
It's hell being old, and down to one's last working neuron, especially when it's only firing intermittently…
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Dear BringoutYourDead,
You're terrific!
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/gallery/monty_python_quotes?pg=2
Aloha.
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Thanks andagi,
My favorite quotes…"I'm not dead yet!" "You will be soon enough old man."
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"According to TEPCO’s Junichi Matsumoto, “There is no conclusive evidence to narrow down the possible causes, and it is unknown whether the flow will recover.”"
Translation
"We don't know what's busted, how badly, and when it will get worse."
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The pump don't work cuz the vandals took the handles
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Dear Richard,
Aw geeze.
Aloha.
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very nicely played Richard. More nuggets of wisdom from the same source:
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don't need a weatherman
To know which way the wind blows
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
light yourself a candle
Don't wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schoolin'
And they put you on the day shift
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army if you fail
Look out kid
You're gonna get hit
By users, cheaters
Six-time losers
Don't follow leaders
Watch the parkin' meters
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aw geeze andagi, we can't be all doom and gloom all the time
we all are in this together, daily facing mind bogglingly horrific. species and planet threatening apocalypse.
I'm one of the least nuke expert folks here. Only stumbled my way to this oasis a year ago because my sister lives outside tokyo. If not for that, I would be as ignorant as most of the masses.
So, let me contribute a little diversion late at night, please. Without a little laughter, some music and poetry, maybe a little good lovin, we will go batshit crazy I'm thinking. Plenty o time for the serious work in the morning. Happy September
"Might be goin to hell in a bucket babe
But at least I'm enjoyin' the ride"
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Yes Andagi and johnnyo, i'm just throwing in some light entertainment by quoting mr dylan.
It's good to consider the rest of the lyrics, Bob has some good words from his time that still echo today.
there are several songs and writers that seem to be able to do 'it', that prescience.
hope you're all getiing to sing sometime.
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Maybe it's simply because of this:
http://enenews.com/nhk-todays-quake-strongest-hit-region-april-2011
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Why wouldn't it be? A quake started this mess, i'm sure a quake can re-start this mess all over again…if it hasn't already!
Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain, forever!
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Great to see you, Tumrgrwer!
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http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/belgique/2012-09-01/le-beton-de-tihange-2-degrade-en-profondeur-935314.php
The concrete of the external containment is deeply degraded. Fortunately, the reactor is empty for inspection (due to thousands of cracks found in the reactor vessel.)
The external containment protects the reactor from external aggression.
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They must have some idea of why the water isn't flowing properly and they must have some idea of where the corium is and they must have some idea of the actual radiation release and the pattern of the radio active plume dispersing from the ruined burnt out melted out reactors. But why panic the serfs? What we need is a good old fashioned lynching party.
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worth while mentioning (got this on Dr Bill Deagle's show on YT, him remembering Arnie Gundersen a while back) that when the seals go, you won't be able to pump enough water in then it's….. SOMEBODY ELSES FAULT (according to a TEPCO spokesMAN).
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