Time.com: China Syndrome “might just have happened at Fukushima” — Molten fuel may have “melted through everything into the earth”

Published: May 16th, 2011 at 4:22 pm ET
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Was Fukushima a China Syndrome?, Eben Harrell for Time Magazine, May 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm EDT:

China Syndrome refers to a scenario in which a molten nuclear reactor core could could fission its way through its containment vessel, melt through the basement of the power plant and down into the earth. [...] It’s a nightmare scenario,the stuff of movies. And it might just have happened at Fukushima. [...]

[T]he fuel itself lies in a clump—either at the bottom of the pressure vessel, or in the basement below or possibly even outside the containment building. [...]

[T]he water is escaping somewhere on a course cut by molten fuel–probably into the basement of the reactor building, though it’s also possible it melted through everything into the earth. [...]

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Published: May 16th, 2011 at 4:22 pm ET
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235 comments to Time.com: China Syndrome “might just have happened at Fukushima” — Molten fuel may have “melted through everything into the earth”

  • FoulMood

    So 2 months in and the MSM Mediots are finally “reporting”…PATHETIC!
    I’ve been reading here since ENews started up, and THANK YOU to the staff and all the posters here, it’s been helpful to know i was not alone in my belief that this is way worse than anyone was reporting.


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    • kx

      posting comments in gizmodo is useless, my remark was just saying thinks are much serious and its been downplayed and they didn’t accepted it… censorship everywhere.


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      • Poor Daddy

        Keep trying! Any free time, contact local health dept., letters to editor, your representatives, contact everybody and anybody. Get your sane friends to do same. We have to MAKE them talk! Everyone, start writing and calling. This is one issue that is worth the energy. It is life or death. Wake these fuckers up!!!
        Thank you Time.com. Better late than never!


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        • ocifferdave

          Cool effecient idea to contact public officials. Throw an AWESOME BBQ party at a local town hall or a nice home, have a premade list of at least 3 public figures (ie senator, publick health answering machine, etc) and during the party have the phone go a round robin to everyone taking turns calling those on the list with a few key prescripted points under the list to help the caller say the right things. Quick, fun, and it will get it done.


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        • extra knight

          it’s too late for that.


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    • kx

      I suggest every1 to read the full story


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      • dan

        Just did. Pathetic.


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      • extra knight

        Around 3,400 cows, 31,500 pigs and 630,000 chickens will soon be slaughtered inside the Fukushima exclusion zone as feeding them has proven to be impossible.

        that is just plain sick, those poor animals raised only for slaughter. i will say a prayer for them tonight.

        It’s difficult to say for sure just how bad things are at the plant itself—high radioactive levels mean that engineers can’t get close to the reactor cores themselves and can only make inferences, deductions and guesses about the extent of the damage. As Alexis Madrigal of the Atlantic has pointed out, we’ve faced this uncertainty—and troubling surprises— before. Eight months after the Three Mile Island accident, “an Oak Ridge National Laboratory scientist declared, ‘Little, if any, fuel melting occurred, even though the reactor core was uncovered. The safety systems functioned reliably.’ A few years later, robotic sorties into the area revealed that half the core — not ‘little, if any’ — had melted down.”

        oh jiminy crickets. where have i seen that before.. oh yes everyday by the mass media outlets, from the “junkscience is your master” and always will be types and of coures here on this messageboard, almost on a daily basis. just plain crazy.


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    • Blue

      Yes many Kudos to the folks who run this site.


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    • Cindy

      I agree! I tuned in shortly after the disaster and found this site to be one of the very few that has been realistically discussing the events around Fukushima and the globe.
      Thank you, again, everyone!


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  • Moco

    China shit or not. Fukushima is the maiden of death. The black swan, leading us to inevitable destruction.
    The ELE.
    Don’t need no solar flare,comet or massive earthquakes. We done a good job of being ignorant.. being deceived and to a path of FAILURE.

    Seriously, the fraud, propaganda and corruption is so parabolic, one can only assume that much more is to come.
    Once a tinfoil thought, now becoming reality.

    Increase your faith in God, at the minimum, for the loss in faith in humanity.


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    • Tennessee

      There is no god.


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      • more visions...?

        No, but He is running out of patience with us.


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      • JWS

        There is a god, our God.

        And I would suggest we all start praying!


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        • too true

          Yes, it’s high time!!

          And do keep in mind that several sources have pointed to powerful figures with Masonic influences who follow Satan as having planned 3/11 Fukushima, the Gulf disaster, the world banking fraud/fiscal crisis, and 9/11…It figures. They are unspeakably evil.

          We ALL need to counter that!! The real power of God is on our side, if we claim it.


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          • terraohio

            Tectonic weapons and weather warfare.


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          • extra knight

            organized religion is a sham bar none. anyone that worships and believes in an omnipotent supernatural divine entity isn’t the sharpest knife in the box, and probably isn’t in possession of realworld critical thinking skills. the xtian bible is an interesting collection of fables and moral imperatives, nothing more.


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          • ???

            Extra, If you were really were so confidant about that, why would feel the need to throw daggers and insult millions, even billions, of good people, whom you don’t even know?? No one is trying to hurt you–quite the opposite. Non-believers constantly need more confirmation or proof, but are assured that they know everything!…That’s so contradictory. (sigh)


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          • @ ???

            i agree. the last thing i want to do is insult anybody at all over their most precious and tightly held beliefs. besides it gets away from me sometimes.


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        • too true

          It’s over his head. (and body-poor man!) In previous writings, he acknowledged that there is too much pre-destined order, chaos, and coincidence in math and physics to disprove the existence of a higher power.

          Now the world is hanging by a thread and more and more people are denying God, their conscience, his teachings, love…not a coincidence, I fear.

          This past year I’ve met several atheists who are down on God, religion, marriage, and everything traditional… I’ve never met so many non-believers until this past year–? I don’t think it bodes well…


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          • too true

            And lots of liars, too. The U.S. and Japan are really hurting now due to so many unethical liars and cowards. God, have mercy!! We need you more than ever!….


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          • extra knight

            god is the poor mans fairy tale, the bible is so full of meaningless contradictions and a homocidal destructive violent unforgiving god.


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        • Deetu 3

          The Great Steohen Hawking doesn’t know the difference between a machine and a sentient being.If he’s the current yardstick of scientific “brilliance” it’s no f**king wonder we are in this mess.


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      • extra knight

        i agree. believing in a supernatural omnipotent divine supernatural entity is just an easy cop-out for the terminally insecure and for those that cannnot or flat out refuse to/are unable to acknowledge reality and it’s consequences. and to accept the realworld at face value.


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        • too true

          No, it’s not. Disbelief is the cop-out and a flimsy defense mechanism. I guess you think that not being able to see radiation confirms that it does not exist? Well, I guess I am trying to convert some folks…it may be nearing your last chance. :(

          And I think it’s so strange how defensive some people are about being non-believers these days! Isn’t it a private manner? Damn, the Devil sure wants to take us all with them!…


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          • Cindy

            I’ve read the bible, and the old testament is full of sacrifices and offering burnt animal remains to this god.. There are stories of rape, violence, and i don’t agree with the rules..
            I like to eat seafood, and wear Blue Jeans.. Mens clothes… all prohibited….. illegal according to the bible … It was written by man many thousands of years ago…
            He also has 42 children killed by a she bear, for teasing a bald man .. (Kings 222 & 223) it’s full of hate, and it states you must accept jesus as your savior and worship only him, or you’ll go to hell, and not to question him..
            If that doesn’t raise red flags …

            Mark Twain once said, the best cure for christianity is ‘To read the Bible “…

            You all have discretided the ‘Other gods” why not just one more .. there are over 100 of them…

            Athiests don’t bomb abortion clinics or fly airplaines into buildings …

            Maybe you should read the entire Bible from cover to cover … makes no sence …

            This thread should not be about this anyway, and it really doesn’t matter does it ?…

            If there was a loving god as is stated, why wouldn’t he save little girls from man predators or little boys.. or prevent people from getting cancer … nothing changes… It’s all silly


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          • Anthony

            Cindy this would make a GREAT Tshirt!

            … Athiests don’t bomb abortion clinics or fly airplaines into buildings …


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          • Deetu 3

            @us -the fact that people equate God/religion/spirituality with books,historic or otherwise,persons,or mass social movements is testament to the pervasiveness of our programming.
            Attempting to map an infinite-dimensional into a 3,or at best 4 dimensional “explanation” is doomed to failure from the start.Anyone have an equation for their current feelings?


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          • extra knight

            apple and oranges my friend. god is a fairy tale bar none, get over yourself.


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          • Deetu 3

            Fail. Bananas and speedboats grasshopper.Get over your own patronizing self.


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          • VanneV anne

            @extra knight. I don’t know why you are criticizing ??? There is nothing contradictory about what this person said. Do just push a button that spews criticism no matter what the person said?


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        • terraohio

          The realworld at face value is really rotten.


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        • terraohio

          For someone who is unloved or treated like crap in this vastly imperfect world, belief in an entity who loves you can be a godsend.


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          • extra knight

            now that’s true. i find nothing wrong with spirituality, in fact i am a very spiritual person myself. but at the same time i don’t drown myself, and my rational/logical transcendent self, with illogical and twisted thoughts of an impossible god that is a divine supernatural entity, that can perform miracles and right wrongs with the blink of an eye or a wave of the hand. just doesn’t make any sense.


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          • ???

            But, God and religions aren’t just about saving or elevating yourself…or “feeling better”… It’s about caring about others & the world around you!…something which the world in the present circumstances sorely needs now. I have no idea why you would deflate that sentiment, unless you have your own personal problems/history that you are projecting onto others. I’m sorry about that!


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          • thank you terraohio, really true.

            @ ???

            although i strongly disagree with the general tone and blatant contradictions of your rather extreme and various statements, how would you prove such a thing, anyway. this discussion is going nowhere. let’s move on.


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      • Steven

        Those with Faith in God are often mocked by men of science. Such men ask us to have faith in them, because we ordinary folk cannot possibly understand the complexity of nature, and how to control it.

        How’s that working out for you lately, by the way?


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        • Heart of the Rose

          I think science and faith in God flow together seamlessly.
          The manifestation and the mystery.
          Science defines the manifestation.
          God defines the mystery.
          I have to have both.


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        • extra knight

          that’s a pretty naive and ignorant moral yardstick there, try making some sense for a change. the universe doesn’t need a god to exist, hence the “complexity” of nature, only small insecure minds need a fairytale sized god to see them through the day. remember the god of the xtian bible is a racist, homocidal, and mysogynistic, violent being. horsefeathers!


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          • ???

            Well, you’re the most offensive thing on this blog! You’re posting like the arrogant bigot here–not anyone else.


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          • Deetu 3

            @??? I totally agree,but am not suprised.inflammatory comments on here only serve to divide and distract from the matter in hand.There are many varieties of damage limitation on discussion boards these days.


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          • Cindy

            Have you ACTUALLY ‘Read’ the bible…

            not just 20 favorite pages here or there … it is full of hate, bigotry, cruelty, and treats women as second class citizens… Says we’re dirty, and must be avoided by our husbands for a certain number of weeks after ‘ physical, monthly issues, and childbirth… It’s all in that BIBLE … Try reading it ….

            Why do you think women couldn’t vote in the early years of U.S. history, and were frowned upon if wearing anything but a dress ?

            Did you know it is prohibited to eat seafood ?

            It all comes from the bible ..

            Anyway it wasn’t the Athiests, who started this whole mess, it was all the believers with that sort of advise … no non believer brought up any comments to the contrary, but were looking for scientific ideas on this fix…


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          • VanneV anne

            Cindy, It’s obvious YOU have never read the New Testament of the Christians. This whole mess with nuclear weapons and nuclear energy isn’t Christian. Don’t be blaming Jesus for the work of heretics and atheists. I notice you don’t quote any passages from the New Testament of the Bible. It’s obvious that you could never find your way around these books of the Bible.


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          • VanneV anne

            The Illuminati are all Satanists and Masons. They worship death. They are not Christians. Criminal gangsters are not Christians.


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      • hard to accept at face value, it’s better to be uncertain and entertain the idea than reject it flat out i say. :(


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    • Well, that’s only one way to look at it, isn’t it now? And not a very useful one either. Those who read here are very well informed as to the serious nature of the situation and are doing their best to be involved in intelligent and useful discussion about this terrible catastrophe. Can you please be a part of that positive effort? Thanks! :-)


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      • Poor Daddy

        Agreed. Whether there is or isn’t a God is not the issue here. The issue is ongoing, lethal long term leaks of over 400 separate radioactive isotopes and the intentional and un-intentional obfuscation of that fact. No more, no less.


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        • Cindy

          I think we all are using our ‘Critical thinking skills’, LOL

          Hopefully the world experts will be accepted in Japan, and have some kind of open think tank, on containment …


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          • Cassie

            Maybe we should all be pondering the existence, nature and assistance from a higher power. Appropriate at this time I would say. As someone said upthread, the exercise may be soon forced upon us.


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          • Cassie

            I think we are all doing what people do in times of crisis.
            Trying to understand the situation, trying to make sense of it all, trying to problem solve. At the same time dealing with issues of mortality and letting it all sink it.

            We may be a microcosm of what is to come in terms of the rest of the population.


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          • Heart of the Rose

            “We maybe a microcosm of what is to come in terms of the whole population”
            The sun rise and fell and the people are no more organized than the day before.


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          • extra knight

            @ Heart of the Rose

            and we have a winner. succinct observation.


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  • Cassie

    The time lag is unreal.
    And calling this “a big mess” seems to be understatement.


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  • Cassie

    OK I get it now.

    We are being spoon fed.

    We will get information, but never in real time.
    After the fact.

    And then in small doses. Piece by agonizing piece.

    That is the only way to do it, I guess.
    The total reality is too much.

    Cannot cause panic, and must protect the corporate/political oligarchy.


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    • Moco

      Not just protect the kleptocracy, put they need a bonus filled profit, to boot.

      When they corrupted the system with fractional reserve lending, a right to print money, who in the fuck wants to try making money in industrial and productivity methods?
      So minor details, such as safety, take the consequences.
      Money is the root.
      I knew a guy 3 years ago who worked with a big wall street broker, and he said then; “these people are unreal”.


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      • Cassie

        Oh I am sure they will get big bonuses, just like the geniuses behind the Gulf Oil Spill.

        We are now seeing what a world run by sociopaths looks like.


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  • Jean

    The MSM finally figured out how bad it is; well, it sure took them long enough! Those of us accused of being tinfoil hat wearers had this figured out a long time ago. Let me add my thanks to enenews. This has been the best source of information!


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    • Cassie

      Yes I felt like I was the only one in the world whose alarm bells were going off. And no one is talking about it. Thank God for this site.


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      • dan

        Nope, you’re not the only one. Lots of other people thought they were the only ones too. The problem is, too many people rely on the MSM to validate their thoughts. It’s a big mass mind control thing. But more and more people are wisening up.


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        • Girlygrrll

          Hope so, my friends and family still insist that “radiation is good for us” and that I’m sounding like those Greenpeace nuts :( This is not a left or right problem, obviously both sides have their blinders on!


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          • dan

            All you can do is tell them what you know, and hope some of it gets through to them. It’s going to take a while for this to really sink in. And whatever you do, don’t let them stop you from doing whatever you need to do to protect yourself. Even if it means your friends and family think you’re a little nuts:) Someday they may even thank you for saving their lives.

            And you’re right, it’s not a left/right thing. The whole left/right thing is just a way to keep us divided (divide and conquer).


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  • Franky

    The worst nuclear accident in history and hardly a mention from the main stream media? This silence means we are all in serious trouble.


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    • extra knight

      couldn’t have said it better myself. this is an unthinkable and unstoppable nuclear/radioactive nightmare in full process, nothing can stop it, it’s getting worse by the day. yes not even the idiotic, colorful, soundbite-derived, foolproof rhetoric and feelgood assurances from the Talking Heads will stop this madness.


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  • shockwave

    First, reactors blowed and melt down.
    Second, the west coast got contaminated food.
    Third, if the luck is bad enough, bay area hit by a M 7.0 earthquake when all these haven’t finished…

    I am going to hospital to check my brain.


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    • John

      Don’t forget war and revolution near Europe. Stream of refugees from Africa to Europe and almost bankruptcy state in Greece and probably Spain and Portugal.
      Europe will become very unstable region soon.

      All of this is part of picture. Personally I don’t this that this Japan earthquake is just coincidence.


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  • Dennis

    Please post on the story at time.com, let it be know there are many people aware of this and that we upset that we are all being lied to. This is a time to start acting and get attention to this insanity!


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    • tony wilson

      yes folks..
      put comments on time mag saying to little to late.
      i have been doing this with uk c4 news,bbc and the guardian site about 65% of the comments get taken off.all i asked the bbc was, why have they got a guy that was known as an entertainment news reporter on the biggest story in years.even then his last report was about a town trying to get rid of normal rubbish with only 2 dustbin vans.

      all of these news bastards will start slowly releasing stories.journalism does not exist anymore.it is now just men and women with mortgages rehashing pr press releases or shit propaganda from the government.


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    • Poor Daddy

      I tried to, but comment box said please wait for about 20 min. Tried refresh….no dice. I want them to know this info is needed and appreciated.
      LOVE…….to enenews!


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    • ZombiePlanet

      I really don’t thing they give a hoot what any of us have to say. I wonder is Time is owned by GE!


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      • Blue

        MSNBC is owned by GE I’m not sure about Time Magazine but if you google and dig I’m sure you can find out.


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      • dan

        TPTB look for trusted mainstream sources of info (like Time). Then they infiltrate and corrupt them, until they’re just another part of the propaganda machine. So be careful not to fully trust any source. If it becomes important enough, sooner or later it’ll become a target.


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  • Darth

    I am still Hopium that Obama will tell us what he knows when he knows it.

    The criminal elite banksters, politicians, and media; can you say the Three Stooges.


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  • Bob Hardin

    Governments and the media are worried that the stock markets and bourses would collapse, because everyone would take their money out and spend it, because why not?


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  • Heart of the Rose

    This country has no REAL money..only real debt.


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  • Heart of the Rose

    @xdrfox ..let’s just say we told ‘em so.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Syndrome


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    • xdrfox

      Heart of the Rose
      Yes, it was forgone from the start in days, we never been here before post days !
      Can’t chase it down the rabbit hole can we !
      I am suspect to others as well !
      I have no idea how it will react as it deepens ?


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  • Vtech

    I still remember Chernobyl disaster and cover up involved. I was only couple hundred miles from it. Not many people have realize how close it was to the catastrophe of unimaginable scale. Most of Europe and part of former USSR would end up uninhabitable. That was very close call. Now, if we remove all “may, maybe, could, potentially” from all statements being made since a beginning until now we “may” get a real picture of the situation.


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    • Cassie

      It was just a matter of time.
      Before it all caught up with us.

      And even in the unlikely event we get a pass again
      this time, it will just happen at some future date.
      That is a certainty given the aging nuclear infrastructure, corporate greed and political corruption.


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    • Arizonan

      Excellent insight. Spoon fed, yes. Sometimes 2 or 3 times, same info on the reactors being breached, spaced 2-3 weeks apart. I agree, most of the “possiblys” and “maybes” during the last two months have turned into confirmations sev weeks later, sometimes by slightly diff authorities: TEPCO, Japanese govt, IAEA, NRC, etc. There appears to be a reactor that has melted through its containment at #1, and there are breaches of containment at #2 and #3, correct? There appear to be some official pronouncements about trying to stop or reduce the risk of fission beginning again, which I think means they know that it has, like all the independent physicists do. So, from where I sit in AZ, it looks like we have three melted down reactors, none of which are contained, some of which are reaching criticality somehow. That’s on top of the explosion at spent fuel pool #3n and the fire at spent fuel #4, which sent massive amounts of radioactive lethal crap up into the atmosphere. On top of this there is an ongoing media blackout, punctuated by periodic bland pronouncements seemingly announcing things we have already been discussing here for weeks. The most hopeful thing I have read has been the thought that once the molten reactor spreads out more (on basement floor? in the water table?) then it will stop fissioning. That would bring us down to only 30,000 years of uninhabitable earth. No one is panicking because there is nothing anyone can do I think, unless Gunderson is right, and they can dig a huge trench alll the way around it and cap it from underneath before it burns through the 60ft to the water table….but that would take a Japanese call at the United Nations for international cooperation in achieving such a thing….


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      • JWS

        You are CORRECT!

        We have to take the proud Japs. out of the picture and come up with SOLUTIONS, not DECEPTION!!!!


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        • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

          Given that reactors 1,3,&4 clearly blew their wad in the first couple of weeks, the solution of creating a huge bowl under the entire plant needed to happen ASAP. It is too late. The deception is not with Japanese, also U.S., and U.K. The PR firm for the GOM disaster was hired for damage control of markets, not people. Those who are more science oriented or who are harmed/compromised by the disaster, wake up to realize there is no solution – it’s done, finito, caput, tant pis. People believe whatever makes them comfortable and motivates them to go on. It’s difficult to wake up people (and lying dogs) who do not want to know an ‘inconvenient truth.’ Like the sociopaths who gloss over safety regulations, narcissists want to know if it affects them personally, no need to worry about anyone or anything else.

          Ask yourself why use PR to push the idea that all is well, life is good, move along for a ‘Chernobyl on steroids’? In the U.S., the EPA scales down monthly measurements of 30 (only) sites, publishes nothing about radiation data beyond ‘below a need for public health concern,’ while we allow shipment of goods from Japan without monitoring container radiation. In Japan, rice is re-packaged and sent all over Honshu, kindergarten kids eat cesium beef and do sweet potato bakes outdoors using cesium leaves(!), and govt tells city officials they will dump (100K tons) of debris/ash in your towns, or else). The forcing of ‘life as usual’ given slow info releases of mounting and long lived radiation damage, can mean only one thing: God, blame, solutions, and meditation cannot clean up the damage or stop Fuku fissioning.

          Humans created a planetary extinction event with 2 major disasters, GOM/Fuku. An unprecedented amt of heavy rad isotopes, with flooding, will cause severe food shortages and early death for all life forms. The post mortem will be done in hell, IMHO.


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      • Arizonan–I am one also. I’ve contacted our state officials who work with radiation monitoring and emergencies.

        More AZ people need to contact these officials. The state does its own monitoring–they just don’t make results public.

        We need to demand testing results be made public.

        Call Aubry Goodwin of AZ’s nuclear regulatory agency who has worked in AZ’s radiation monitoring since the 50s at 602 255-4845

        and

        William D. Wolfe
        Radiological Emergency Preparedness Program
        Arizona Division of Emergency Management
        (O) 602-464-6234
        (C) 602-909-3057
        bill.wolfe@azdema.gov


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  • coverup1

    heres a link to possible reactor core recriticality.from a flyover from a helicopter.almost reminds me of chernobyl core when the helicopter saw it glow.
    http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/fukushima-update-very-bad-situation/57915


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  • Heart of the Rose

    The other reactors..same deal.
    Geological disturbances… it’s a go.


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    • xdrfox

      Heart of the Rose
      each drop of water that is heated to steam will expand 1,700 times in size instantly.
      Say you throw water on something red/white hot, now as long as the burn hole is open, the steam should go out that way, but if it caves inward behind the nuke lava then we can expect a steam explosion !
      Did we see this already early on ?
      You have to wonder about the missing water they have talked about of late, if it has not been going into the ocean it may be going down the rabbit hole behind cooling the nuke lava and producing some steam ?


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      • Heart of the Rose

        It’s very, very hot..H2O is no match now ..instant radioactive steam.
        There has been a “melding” of various radioactive materials.
        Coring into an active volcanic/earthquake area is very bad business.


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        • xdrfox

          Heart of the Rose
          The horror is the possibility it may produce a radioactive volcano, The short video “The Clouds” and the red hot mountain may become a reality ! No Joke !
          http://beforeitsnews.com/story/598/757/The_Clouds_…html


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        • xdrfox

          A volcano is a hole in Earth’s surface through which magma, hot gases, ash, and rock fragments,Superheated gases within it (including carbon dioxide) streamed out through a vent throwing Pyroclastic flow, A dense wave of superheated air Molten rock, rock liquids, gases and particles of rocks and crystals that moves as a fluid from an erupting volcano vent escaping from deep inside the planet, sometimes affecting thousands of square miles of landscape.
          So the Nuke lava may come back up to be thrown somewhere to start a melt through again or be disappeared into particles !


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        • dan

          My first thought was oh crap. But now I’m wondering if lava from a volcanic eruption might help by encasing the radioactive fuel. I’m sure some of it would still get released, and a violent eruption would send lots of it into the atmosphere. But radioactive particles encased in molten lava might be less likely to travel far. And I think dangerous alpha particles would be stopped, since they can’t even get through a sheet of paper.


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  • mikael

    Its weird times right now, sometimes one wounders if this is real, and what can be expected.
    The lesson from Tjernobyl is probably the only one right now. Its not plesant reading, but then again, you wil understand what its about.
    And do note, the levels they are messuring and the consecvenses is had and still has.
    A quick recap:
    Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment
    By Alexey V. Yablokov, Vassily B. Nesterenko, Alexey V. Nesterenko
    http://books.google.com/books?id=g34tNlYOB3AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=chernobyl+consequences+of+the+catastrophe+for+people+and+the+environment&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=Q5-dTfadJc-2tgfCtvThBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
    and
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/11/nuclear-apologists-radiation
    and from France:
    http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/radiation-risks-fukushima-longer-negligible-news-503947
    The numbers can be a fals comfort and the main issue us not whats been tested, but what is not been tested. And the second thing is accumulating.


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  • MarcinJ

    VIDEO
    A giant barge which will be used to store radioactive water from the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant has left Yokohama harbour.

    The 35ft (11m) tall basement in the number 1 reactor building is almost half-full with water – an estimated 3,000 tonnes, more than in an Olympic swimming pool.

    The giant barge is 446ft (136m) long and 151ft (46m) wide, and according to local media can hold a maximum of 10,000 tonnes of water.

    The platform, which was originally used as a floating island by local fishermen, is expected to reach the plant sometime near the end of May.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13408803


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    • John

      They need to store 90.000 tons now, this barge is simply not enough. Don’t forget that quantity of radioactive water is increasing permanently because they have to pour 20-30 tons every hour in reactors.


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      • Anthony

        At this point wouldn’t it be a miracle if they received (from rest of planet) all the barges they needed? Wonder if they would accept gift barges anyways? Guess the other thing is everything that goes into Fukushima and area doesn’t and possibly shouldn’t come back out. A bunch of giant “anythings“, even barges, might become a massive problem for a tiny island nation….


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        • John

          I think Japan is rich enough to buy a couple of supertankers. Their capacity more than 300.000 tons each.
          IMHO they simply don’t have good engineering ideas and try to save money on restoration work. This is the main reason of the all problems and mistakes.


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          • Deetu 3

            Hmmm,not sure a red hot super tanker would really help?


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          • Poor Daddy

            IF all this happened, they would just find some quiet corner of the poor Pacific, look the other way and whistle while they dumped it. Or another tsunami or typhoon would do it for them. Humans = one of the few warm blooded critters that regularly shits in its own nest….but for a good reason…..PROFIT.


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          • John

            Good solution will be to create pools around reactors with water cleaning and circulation system. But it’s enormous amount of engineering work in dangerous condition. I think just Soviet Union could create such system.

            As alternative temporary measure they could create closed-loop cooling using basement as temp pool and heat exchanges to remove heat from water, plus ion filters to clean water.
            Extra water could be removed to tanker or to capacity on site.
            But this idea works just for time being when they build permanent pool systems to cool reactors.
            I don’t think that they will go this way. I am afraid they continue “sipping” radioactive water into ocean and pour water in reactors and fuel pools until they will have enormous amount of high-level radioactivity in water on site.


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          • misitu

            Poor Daddy: or Somalia
            (recent article in independent.co.uk by Johann Hari)


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    • Cassie

      Ok what do they do with the barges when they are full?
      Where do they put the radioactive water then?


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  • Ashen

    This has happened for a reason. “Change” happens whether we want it to or not. We fight and seek ways to convince ourselves we are somehow above it and in control, albeit temporarily. In everyone’s life there comes the time when each person is forced to face their greatest fear, the inescapable truth – it was inevitable. The truth can be painful but I prefer it to living a lie. Peace to all.


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    • Anthony

      Don`t you think in some degree the Fukushima Truth has something to do with the Japanese flirting or underestimating risk? I mean it seems to be a common theme in their story, isn`t it? I mean look at their reaction to the creation of millions of gallons of radioactive poisons (injected seawater & fresh waters) – they DUMPED it into the Pacific…. “We believe it will be safe in the Ocean“ Really? When I think about their action, again, I see a people who take unnecessary and unreasonable risks, over and over and over again. I am not implying ALL OF THEM or that they don`t add positives too, but it is really hard for me to overlook patterns in their actions.

      I think Fukushima happened because the people involved gathered together a perfect storm of the wrong conditions. It is a bitter fact the rest of the people then gave them free rein. Hindsight`s a bitch.


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      • Poor Daddy

        No, I don’t blame the Japanese. This would have happened somewhere in the world ….inevitable. It will happen again…..inevitable. Turn them all off, cool them down properly and learn to live without UNLIMITED energy cuz there’s no such thing anyway. Like him or hate him, Jimmy Carter was the last pres that told you the truth. He told you to turn down your thermostats and put on a sweater…good advice. He also put solar panels at whitehouse….Reagan on an idiotic ego trip ripped them all out to make a stupid point. Its been downhill ever since poison-wise.


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        • kx

          agreed, I guess we can complain not enough Japanese open their eyes, but most of them cant read enenews.com


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        • tony wilson

          well you should blame the japanese.
          google us bases japan,the americans have over 20 seems more like a conquered country than an independent one.
          they have had secret nuclear missile deals going with america for 30 odd years similar to israel.
          it is a society run by corporations as a corporation.everything from trying to save infrastructure to plutonium to hiring the min staff possible.even knowing people were in danger they choose not to move them to save money.
          japan has no leadership they are spineless sheep run by an elite of spineless mice.
          please watch this clip at 4 mins in at 5 mins listen to what a true leader of men Mikhail Gorbachev says about actions taken it relates to what is happening now.
          a magma core working down towards water.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiTQ8OGcYNo&feature=related


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          • Deetu 3

            Tony-I can’t help thinking the Big Light in the sky some time back may have some bearing on this..after all there are no Japanese bases on US soil you know…
            Personally I’m really pissed off about the slaughter in the middle east but they didn’t ask me about it.


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          • kx

            any country can have a nuclear crisis, complaining about the Japanese people in general is quite idiot since many of then are good people. The only solution is to stop nuclear energy.


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  • bcbud

    Article mentions further down that they have to slaughter a bunch of livestock. No because that are poisoned and unusable, but because they can’t feed them….. or because they are poisoned and unusable.


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    • JWS

      My thoughts exactly!


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    • xdrfox

      Now that Plutonium has been found in rice passes 50 clicks south of the plant, rest assured that is is further and this will include TOKOYO seeing that Plutonium is 20,000 times more potent then Uranium, making the newest areas NO MANS LANDS !

      Where are the Environmentalist ??


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  • John

    It’s a piece of rubbish. If molten fuel melted through concrete foundation of the reactors and going further we would see small radioactive geyser of moulted land, concrete, steam. Because heat from the fuel and reaction must be removed somehow. Fortunately we haven’t seen this effect.


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  • charlie

    2 months ans a week after the disaster we all saw, the MSM finally is forced to acknowledge that something MAY have happened.
    Why aren’t we receiving big salaries instead of them?


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  • hawkeye

    great story
    to bad the reactor piles past the story line about,what would you say, about 2 months ago
    so any way we have a great line up
    moe will be doing the guessess
    curly the deductions
    shimp the inferencess


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  • hawkeye

    you can tell things are getting worse
    the nuke industry shills are back here blogging


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  • Deetu 3

    i must admit I’m starting to lose the plot on these “if/maybe/might have” press release/surmises. Unless building number1 DOESN’T have 3,000 tons of water in the basement we can safely conclude that the melted fuel hasn’t reached that far yet.This was the exact scenario at the chernobyl accident,that soviet scientists predicted would cause an explosion that would “raze the city of Minsk 300miles away,and render europe uninhabitable”.


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  • Buck-O

    Be patient! The way this thing is developing, I would expect to see worse.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk05lEhDv5k


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  • hawkeye

    what is missing is the geology info
    under the foundation of the reactors
    as before there is a chain of caldera volcanoes
    in fukushima
    looks like they built on a 100,000 year old lake
    filled with mud,muck,an marsh
    then they back filled the ground,
    corporations all ways build on flat ground cheaper that way
    i think if you want to find the melted pile you need to go down to the bottom of that filled lake
    hells 1/2 acre
    were going were no ones gone before


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  • Pu239

    THE ANNE COULTER EFFECT
    (RADIATION HORMESIS)

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2926/is-exposure-to-small-amounts-of-radiation-beneficial

    Is exposure to small amounts of radiation beneficial?

    March 12, 2010
    Dear Cecil:

    What’s the Straight Dope on radiation hormesis? From what I understand, this hypothesis rejects the current wisdom that if a lot of radiation is very bad, a little bit of radiation is at least somewhat bad. On the contrary, these folks claim a little bit of radiation might actually be good. What’s up — sound science or voodoo?

    — harriswillys

    Cecil replies:

    You know me. I think it’s voodoo. But this is one wacky-sounding theory we can’t completely rule out.

    Hormesis is when limited exposure to something that’s generally harmful produces beneficial effects. Scientists have found many examples of this. One of the better known is fluoride: high doses are toxic, minute amounts prevent tooth decay. Other reported cases: mice exposed to dioxins show fewer cancers than normal at small doses, peppermint plants do better with a touch of herbicide, and fleas produce more offspring after exposure to the toxic heavy metal cadmium.

    High doses of radiation cause cancer, of course, but some research does suggest low doses may prevent it. The idea is that low-level ionizing radiation stimulates the body’s natural defense mechanisms, triggering protective processes that kill off precancerous cells and prevent cancers of all sorts. That’s the reverse of the conventional wisdom, known as the linear no-threshold model, which holds that any exposure to radiation is potentially harmful — there’s no threshold dose below which it’s safe, much less beneficial.

    Radium water tonics and such were sold in the 1920s as cures for all manner of ailments but were dismissed as quackery. A few researchers began to take another look in the 1970s, but only in the last decade or so has the idea of radiation hormesis begun to attract wide attention. For example, a 2004 study claimed more than 10,000 Taiwanese accidentally exposed for a decade or more to radioactive recycled steel used in building construction showed much lower than expected rates of cancer and congenital heart defects. The cancer rate, for example, was 3.5 cases per 100,000, compared to a normal 116 — this despite the fact that they’d gotten a pretty stiff dose of radiation, more than 1,000 times normal. A follow-up study clarified that while cancer risk declined overall, incidence of leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and thyroid cancer went up.

    The radioactive gas radon has also attracted attention for its possible low-level benefits. A decay product of radium, radon can accumulate in buildings and in sufficiently high concentration is one of the leading causes of lung cancer. However, a 2008 study of residential radon in Massachusetts found that people who’d experienced modest radon exposure had noticeably less cancer than those with little or no exposure. Looking at a different angle, a 2000 German study found that spa therapy involving natural radon baths produced lasting pain relief in people with rheumatism.

    Due to the obvious risks, most hormesis research has been conducted on animals. Some researchers claim perhaps 40 percent of animal studies show some radiation hormesis, typically conferring protection against cancer. Critics claim these studies typically focus on a narrow range of possible cancers using short-lived animals over a brief period of time, and thus don’t tell you much.

    Though laboratory studies of low-level radiation on humans are rare, some work has been done with human tissue samples. One study found human tissue exposed to low-level radiation and then given a high dose of X-rays showed less DNA damage than would be expected after the X-rays alone. On the other hand, a study comparing two groups of people in China, one receiving three to four times as much background radiation as the other, found no differences in cancer rates. Then again, the radiation levels were so low that the expected difference was only around 1 to 2 percent.

    In short, research to date has been inconclusive — perhaps par for the course on cutting-edge topics. For now, research bodies such as the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation and the National Academy of Sciences are sticking with the assumption that there’s no minimum safe level of radiation. My guess is that even if radiation hormesis turns out to be real, you’ll solve some problems at the expense of making others worse. Suppose you’re the surgeon general and a blue-ribbon panel tells you a modest dose of goboomium in the water supply will drastically reduce most cancers while increasing leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and thyroid cancer. What do you recommend we do?


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  • John

    Looks like we might have really done it this time. It’s always been debatable whether human intelligence was sufficient to enable us to prevent our extinction as a species, but it now appears that, coupled with our rabid self-interest and greed, it was only a matter of time before we went the way of the other 99% of species before us. We are simply too sociopathic as a mass (meaning that the good among us can’t/won’t do enough to stop the greedy maniacs) to prevent some form or other of mass catastrophe. We are, in fact, like any other herd animal, powerless in the face of overwhelming threats.
    Personally, it doesn’t bother me if we die out as a species. We aren’t that important, in the cosmic scheme of things. I anticipate my own personal demise in the next 20yrs (being in my mid-60′s now), and when you think about it, once we’re gone as individuals, it doesn’t matter a toss what happens to everyone else, does it? Going out all at once has it’s compensations…
    This is true whether one subscribes to religion/afterlife theories or not…


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  • Buck-O

    What type of PU does the best as a Hormesis? Which one is “Anne” recommending??? B.S.


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    • Pu239

      Plutonium seems to prove hormesis wrong, since a mere particle can kill you.

      Uranium, it has recently been discovered, acts as a radiation magnifier, and it attaches like a magnet to DNA.

      Natural biological defenses seem to exist:

      BDM’s (Biological Defense Mechanisms)
      http://www.haciendapub.com/article50.html

      The evidence so far says: all radiation is harmful, but some beneficial effects MAY (or may not) exist at low levels. There’s a difference between external radiation and internal (ingested) radiation.

      But, renowned phycisist Anne Coulter says all radiation is good for you.


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  • hawkeye

    i love the smell of frog in the morning

    smells like…..phd


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    • Regina

      yeah, down with those educated people! It’s always better to have ignorant, moronic haters around-(?) And funny how those haters are taking hold more than ever now, while correspondingly, our country is going down the tubes… I’m really tired of the haters out there. In some forums, they just bash everything all day, as if we don’t have enough to contend with!


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  • Pu239

    “would have rendered large parts of Europe uninhabitable.”

    Scary film (on Chernobyl):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiTQ8OGcYNo&feature=related

    …. with a comparable scenario right now at Fukushima.

    [Can someone check to see if they're at about the same stage: - reactor core melting through [primary?][stainless steel] containment through concrete and into earth’s crust and water table.

    With possibility of large explosion? How caused?


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  • Jon

    Our MSM has examined the situation, and this was the best story they could come up with:

    Kim Kardashian and Britney Spears Wore The Same Dress This Weekend

    While Kim Kardashian almost always looks impeccably groomed — no doubt with a team of 20 deliberating every hair, makeup and wardrobe decision — Britney Spears usually dresses like an 8th grader at a slumber party.

    But, this weekend, the two women sartorially crossed paths, if you will, as they wore the same Herve Leger dress across the country from one another. Kardashian wore it Friday night in Miami while Spears sported hers Saturday night in Los Angeles at Wango Tango.
    http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/thefamous/kim-kardashian-and-britney-spears-wore-the-same-dress-this-weekend/1293


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    • dan

      OMG! Now I’m freakin out.


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    • dan

      And if you think that was catastrophic, what about this top of the front page headline:

      “Arnold Schwarzenegger fathered a baby with member of his household staff…”

      oh the humanity


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    • Cassie

      I know, I read what passes for news these days and it feels surreal.
      Very little about what may come close to an extinction event.
      Or has the possibility of being one.
      Maybe they just cannot go there.
      Cannot alarm the masses.

      The truth is out there for those who wish to see it.
      And not, for those who cannot face it.


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  • Cindy

    Did you guys know, ‘It takes 2 and 1/2 times the radiation to kill a chicken , than it does to kill a Man ‘ and even more to kill a cockroach, LOL

    It had been said that the bugs will rule the world ..


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  • Bananas

    I had to link this article because it’s comparing airport x-ray body scanners with eating a banana.

    Where have we heard those comparisons before?

    http://www.propublica.org/article/scientists-cast-doubt-on-tsa-tests-of-full-body-scanners


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  • Cindy

    Maybe we should strap infared cameras on chickens and let them all run loose around the reactors, giving ‘Live coverage’ of the situation…


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  • Anthony

    Japan’s new nuclear refugees

    Rick Wallace
    From: The Australian
    May 17, 2011 12:00AM

    MORE than 15,000 new nuclear refugees yesterday began evacuating villages near the Fukushima nuclear plant amid tearful sayonara ceremonies.

    In line with government orders, residents of Iitate, parts of Minamisoma, Kawamata and several other towns began shifting to evacuation centres or the homes of friends or relatives. Although outside the 20km mandatory evacuation zone, the towns have frequently been subject to high levels of radiation. Tokyo ordered the evacuation last month. The residents will join 80,000 other displaced nuclear refugees.

    Iitate resident Ritsuko Sugano, a 27-year-old mother of three preparing to evacuate with her husband and extended family, told of her sadness at leaving her home.

    “I love this village because of its beauty. I wonder when I can come back home,” she said.

    Iitate farmer Sadako Ohuchi, 73, said the village, one of Japan’s most scenic, would now be renowned for contamination.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/japans-new-nuclear-refugees/story-e6frg6so-1226057025219


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  • hawkeye

    whats wrong did i tug to hard on your phd
    ok let kiss an make up
    lets go on vacation this year,how about winter
    we can go to fukushima and warm are hands by the glow and feel the warmth
    an you can gaze into my eyes an say its ok,when we strangle on or up chuck in are scott air packs
    regina i be so happy you make my insides feel like green jello


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  • Dr. Stranglelove

    Boy, this is going to make it harder for TEPCO to restart the reactors.


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  • regina

    nighty night, Hawkeye. Me green jello 2!


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  • Noah

    The game changing moment?


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  • Unfortunately I foresaw scientifically with the help of the great Web Fire Mapper(University of Maryland, Geography and NASA)the Honshu 9 MM great earthquake and immediately cried out to the world Genpatsu Shinsai Genpatsu Shinsai-Chernobyl Syndrome through the URL:
    http://predictingquakes.blogspot.com
    See from February 2011 onwards at this site. I sent e mails to contacts worldwide-Fukushima caused by the World’s dams! They heat up the earth, the rocks and melt the rocks and presto you have quakes…How the specialists missed the point for years- while I was crying hoarse. See http://justiceinorout.blogspot.com/
    Its time people heeded people, got together, pressed for conservation(America can do with 30 percent less and nuclear is 20 percent and similarly many of the rest like India). If you look at history of the scientific explanation for the man made quakes—ha ha it is far from tectonic setting and quakes… So modern civilisation with its “specialisations only” is doomed. This has been seen a century ago by Mahatma Gandhi and in the US by many like Gofman, Wendell Berry and many many common aware citizens and traditional societies like ours and American Indians. Why should we suffer involuntarily for the specialist sins of a specialist society(modern civilisation)?
    This is only to make it easier for the earthlings see the truth that I am so outspoken-hope it will help to go far far away from nuclear and we practice a lot of conservation…


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  • simple jack

    now,iam become death,the destroyer of worlds


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  • CaptD

    This Eco-Disaster is happening because REACTOR DESIGN SPECS were exceeded, who cares about the reason…

    Since we can never control NATURE,
    that puts EVERY REACTOR IN THE WORLD AT RISK…

    Add to that Operator Error (i.e. like storing way to many spent fuel rods on site) to save money and you have a situation that defines the entire industry today with the possible exception of the Naval reactors which are far smaller and far more ruggedized …


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