Published: May 24th, 2011 at 5:48 pm ET
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What Fukushima’s Triple Meltdown Means, Time.com by Krista Mahr, May 24, 2011:
[... N]uclear fuel in a state of meltdown can, in the worst-case scenario, burn through its container and the plant infrastructure to leak into the ground around the facility. That, as Eben wrote here last week, is known as a ‘China Syndrome,’ and that’s what we want to avoid.
Fortunately, it appears for now we have dodged that bullet, and the not-great-but-not-apocalyptic news du jour is that the meltdowns at Nos. 2 and 3 are not as bad as what occurred at No. 1. [...]
Published: May 24th, 2011 at 5:48 pm ET
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Can they just change their name from Time Magazine to Shill Magazine?
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Maybe they will have reactor #3 as “Man of the Year”.
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LOL, thanks for that, at least a laugh a day
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The Rupture.
By Tacoma Groove
“As of today May 24th 2011, Elizabeth Flock wrote in the Wa Post. Tepco Suprise two more reactors melted down at fukushima.”
Not one but three nuclear reactors suffered nuclear meltdown…
Koichi Nakano a political science professor told reuters that” “The announcement was timed to minimalize the impact on the public. In the early stages of the crisis tepco may have wanted to avoid panic”.
This is an illegal premeditated witholding of information that should be taken with legal precidence and sure outrage. Your companies role is to inform citizens of the dangers that you have created. In a timely manner, to minimilize the exposure rate in the public, thereby reporting all immedieate dangers in a realtime manner, in the best of your ability. Instead; You put national monitary and economic structure above the regard of physical healths. While in the aftermath of a devistating tsunami in that regard. Your company has put the whole nation at risk, while ruining its credibility not only nationally but internationally; You have now admitted your role, in one of the biggest public health conspirisies, that humankind has witnessed. In which an unprecidented nuclear tragedy is putting risk to the entire planets eco systems. Rendering a questionally small 20km portion of the planet inaccessable to mankind. While infecting the food and water supplies internationaly across the entire globe…
A twitter tweet of mis information: “Radiation on the West coast is so diluted, its actually a cure for its self.”
I say: “Radiation is so dispursed it went everywhere across the planet; And now its accumulating everyday every hour every second.”
“How will you replace the ocean?; and the Soil, and the rivers, and the lakes?”
Another few article caught my attention at around this time. The first I will mention is Nuclear engineer found with +30,000cpm internal radiation… (wth); 1000 tepco employees, measured with internal radiation rates of +10,000cpm internal radiation or higher; 70,000 more evacuations are needed outside the 20km containment.
This is proof that the misinformation has lead to an undenyable scandal to Public health.[i] Where is the information and data. Shouldn’t we have those radiation dispersion maps and those thermal images of the reactors updated daily?Couldnt we track the meltdown that way? Don’t we plan on containing this crisis… uhm??? Yesterday?!?
“This is the kind of stuff conspiracies were made of”
Radiation from fukushima isn’t a banana. Its a collection of deadly nuclear isotope’s, that have the ability to kill instantlly, silently, or even slowly and stealthly. By subjecting the citizens to this type of exposure you have commmitted the crime of attempted murderer. Every agency involved in this situation, to that extent is an accessory to your crime. That goes for the iaea, nisa, nilu, tepco, and beyond. This is a conspiracy to the highest degree. As there is a huge misinformation campaign taking place right before your very eyes. You have no dignity or reputation anylonger. you are fraud, and corruption;. Criminally, morally, and ethically…
“This is beyond acceptable.”
The witholding and straying of numbers, and the lack of efficient research is starting to unfold a tragedy… Are we all internationally already in danger? why cant international services collect radiation dispursion data? what is worst case scenario???; How far away is it? Situation reports; Well could be taken hourly couldn’t they?:… Why are you taking away our dispersion models, are we in trouble?: Reversing the publication of epa figures to a monthly report?; telling scientists to withold information in a timely matter?:… Is there anything else down this road of lies?; when will we recieve complte disclosure to your time released data?;
I mean Afterall dropping the story off main stream media isn’t a really good sign btw… The people we trust not participating in a huge international effort to fix the crisis entirely. Is there a secret we don’t know? Because every nuclear scientist on the planet has not really explained the consequences of these figures… Am I right? What lies down the road? As it continues its downward spiral?
Wouldn’t it suck if we already passed that point… Are we going to get that information 2 months late too?
We have witnessed you raise the international health rates ten fold their previous limits, taken no interest in monitoring the radiation levels in our oceanic, fresh water, or food pyramid’s contamination… (missing oppurtunities to create jobs providing efficient monitoring globally). while at the same time limiting our resources on accurate information; and allowing this tragedy to displace as many people in the wake of the tsunami. Rendering portions of the planet inhabital is not a step on the grand ladder fo making progress…
Btw: Lieing to us, is not doing anything more than Creating fear and panic in international communities. There is good reason for that… Were all afraid… We want you to fix this today not in your 6 to 9 month road map which are riddled with error… I have a shovel my buddies got some quick spackle.. Do you need help?… You have made little progress in your attempt to divert this tragedy, and to that effect the situation has gotten much worse.
They call me the fear mongerer, <—
Yet deny the bigger picture of what is currently going on in the situation…
They lied to you. Are they still lieing.
I wrote earlier a piece, what lies down the road. Refrencing both the deciete of these companies and the movie "the road". Add that to your new verbal directory of titles like zardos, the china syndrome, and nuclear boy.
Id really like to know what lies down the road though… How much time it takes the world to screw in the lightbulb, fess up. work together, and save humanity. Cause the events are literally a slinky. The bottom stair is horrible, and there aint that much room left between here and there… This is the bp oilspill on heroin chilling in chernobyls backyard. While the whole planet is more and more contaminated every hour of everyday…
I watched the live cam between 1 and 3 am today… Reactors steaming away, could hardly see the reactors at all major pixilation… This means that every day there are atmospheric releases to current date, along with the ground water, and oceanic contamination. Its a nightmare…
We have no idea what the implications to date are, while the undisclosed projection of damage is growing everyday. The situation is now escalating in all factors, to a nightmare scenario. With little to no reports on how tepco is playing a role in adverting the tragedy. It seems that they are merely posponing it.,,
The witholding of key information is your excuse for not protecting your countries citizens from radioactive contamination… This was your effort to avoid a state of panic?
Its really disapointing to hear that…
All I hear is: "This information will scare the crap out of you"; "and so we would rather you all get potentially contaminated than fess up to that"…
Cheers,
Emmy.
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They increased the rates for children in public school by 20 fold – not 10. On par with adult nuclear industry hazard rates. What’s next? Sending Fukushima toddlers in to fix the reactors? What total douchebags! It’s evil.
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Please Clarity,
Have mercy upon them, those that enjoy the “thrill of their swill!”
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mainstream media coming out and forced to acknowledge Fukushima …that means it’s real bad! That’s a sure sign of the Apocalypse.
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Apocalypse!
Well we’re not quite there yet. Keep your belt tight and a keen eye.
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So, in between the lines writhen and garbage shown, and after 2 mo. well, huh.
My second sorce of concern is still the fallout in Nothern Parts of Japan, this is acordingly som minor drops and notes, and almoust nothing is revailed. But again, the litle we know about ex. Tokyo(Te samples a.s.o.) should be of serious consern, but its just sillence.
And the downplaying continoues.
And if the metdown was consiled for 2 mon. what about the fallout readings, I am 100% certain that there are number somwhere, and done by sombody, I refuse to belive that they have done nothing, and for the sake of the people of Japan, all the readings from Tokyo, and the groundwater suply, when cracks in suagesystem, there must be leaking radiouactivity to the waterdepos.
The lack of a complet fallout and more precise messurements is still mindboggeling in its sheer absence.
This is a chrime against humanity, no more no less.
And from now on, the prospects are not good, not at all.
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Radiation effects in Japan to be studied by UN
The UN Scientific Committee on the effects of Atomic Radiation on Monday said that it would need at least two years to publish a full report on the impact of radiation on people and the environment from Japan’s ongoing nuclear crisis. The risk of seawater contamination was growing after a one- to two-week delay was announced in the construction of a decontamination facility to treat the hundreds of thousands of tons of radioactive water from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
http://www.smartbrief.com/news/un_wire/storyDetails.jsp?issueid=528D5275-B5AA-42E3-AC2A-C1D21206AF38©id=0A3F7B2F-CE72-4509-AE5F-5C1E4315AE60&brief=un_wire&sb_code=rss&&campaign=rss
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That Areva water treatment facility and method has never been attempted in the field at this volume and with Mox plutonium. Areva has sought a contract like this for some time. Further, their “decontaminated water” at La Hague causes leukemia in children. So, no it’s not safe either. They’re going to process it and dump it in the Pacific.
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To embrace death is to be free to live.
It is evident we are all getting radiated..now what?
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Have a banana, maybe?
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don’t worry be happy..
nothing to worry about apart from them arab terrorists that are jealous of are freeedoms.
barry and queen elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha seems to taking things nice and easy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1390540/The-Queen-treats-Obamas-state-banquet-invites-Hollywood-friends.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Here is the full banquet menu.. yummy dinner:
Paupiette de Sole et Cresson
Sauce Nantua
Agneau de la Nouvelle Saison de Windsor au Basilic
Courgettes et Radis Sautees
Panache d’Haricots Verts
Pommes Boulangere
Salade
Charlotte à la Vanille et Cerises Griottes
Fruits de Dessert
Les Vins
Ridgeview Cuvée Merret Fitzrovia Rose 2004
Chablis Grand Cru Les Clos 2004 (Domaine William Fevre)
Echezeaux Grand Cru 1990 (Domaine de la Romanée-Conti)
Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin, Vintage Rich 2002
Royal Vintage Port 1963
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They are probably watching live feeds of the OK tornados and making snide remarks about fly-over country. Ah, to be an elite.
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Was watching those.
The assault continues.
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What no cake – no fiddle?!
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http://royal-arse-wiper.web-word.eu/start/universalis.php?ref=Royal-Arse-Wiper&dom=web-word.eu&page=403
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Just so easy to lie about nuclear accidents. You can lie about an oil spill but unsightly oil gets washed ashore. People see it. Radiation invisible. I’m sure you could have a nice beach day with girlfriend and six-pack on the Fukushima sea shore complete with fish b-b-q and be fine until one two years from now. Nuclear technology is complicated and radiation measured in unfamiliar terms to lay person. People will die of cancer and no definitive proof what caused it. Every man (and woman) for his/her-self!
I’m not well educated in nuclear but my gut reaction is this is not good. Any one out there can tell me what worse case scenario full uncontrolled meltdown means? Does the potential include the tons of nuclear waste and fuel rods at site vaporizing and polluting globe?
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this is one incident that cannot be swept under the carpet.
in the ukraine and belarus in the 80s you could hide the horror,japan today is different.
even without all the meltdowns the mox plutonium reactor is a mass killer.all those exploded spent fuel ponds on the roofs it is just murder.
i hear below denver international airport is the place to storm,when the shit hits.
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I’m not going there..
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-denver-international-airport/
Noooo..I’ll gasp my last elsewhere.
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Check out the Art in the Denver Airport, Scary at least!
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I’m glad I withstood the ridicule and angry reactions since March 13 and applied exposure reduction rain out and dust advisories, installed water filtration, sheltered my pet, and made dietary changes with supplements. I will continue these practices until local data trends zero detectable radionuclides and for some weeks following.
I’m terribly grateful for resources others have shared with me regarding exposure reduction in many categories. I’m also grateful for this forum’s support and news not found easily elsewhere and so are my friends and family.
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Is time travel possible? Is Time Linear? What is Time! One thing I do know is that this is our “TIME”
Question 1. How did one of the most successful bands in the world “The Killers” write and release a song about the Tiger Woods saga well over a year before the story broke???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDncB-AGuc
Question 2. How did the biggest band in the world, “U2″ write a song over 20 years ago about Tokyo Electric Co?
“Earthquake 4. Nice and Slow. Useless scenes in old Tokyo. Useless scenes near Tokyo”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlPoiv8TrU
After the Rain the Sun comes out!!!!
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come on..
the only positive thing about a painful radioactive death is the happy fact that boner bono and brandon i sound like the shit singer Chris de Burgh flowers are gonna die screaming as well.why?
well those guys stink so bad even the new world order hate them.
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I feel so enlightened now!
Oh my…
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Second Thoughts about Nuclear Power
http://spp.nus.edu.sg/docs/policy-briefs/201101_RSU_PolicyBrief_1-2nd_Thought_Nuclear-Sovacool.pdf
Surviving Planet Earth in the Next 90 days… April – July 2011 (3 Months)
http://lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/surviving-planet-earth-next-90-days
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What a snow job. Have you ever heard the frog-in-hot-water story? If you drop a frog in boiling water it will jump right out, but if you put it in cold water and raise the temperature slowly it will boil to death.
The NRC, the IAEA, TEPCO and all of the nuclear industry are treating us like that frog. They knew EXACTLY what was going on, but they figured if they leaked it out a little at a time people would become accomodated, and not respond to the emergency.
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I think they figure the best way to deliver very bad news is in stages, and after the fact.
It is also called desensitization, whereby you gradually expose a subject to increasing levels of a painful stimulus. Eventually the subject no longer reacts with any discomfort.
We also know that distress is lower for past events, as opposed to current or future events.
Someone has carefully planned out how to disseminate bad news.
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Good comment.
…possibly while ‘manufacturing a bit of consent’ along the way …
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Agreed.
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It’s called “rolling disclosure.” Governments and industry utilize the communication strategy often. I’ve never seen it on a disaster scale this large, severe or encompassing. It has failed in my opinion and only served to further damage credibility. After 9-11, Iraq invasion, Katrina, BP spill… I feel the trust bank was tapped to capacity. Even Obama remarked on the public’s pessimism. Our pessimism is healthy and hard earned over decades of fabrication, erosion of good faith and bad choices against the public interest. Without prosecution, remediation and a track record of accountability – I don’t feel optimism and faith/trust will return. They’ll have to be removed from authority or earn it the slow, difficult way. The more they demand it Without deeds – the more outrage they breed.
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Exactly, damage control campaigns work to keep people away from facts which reveal a fuller truth they may not like. If the unthinkable occurs, what OUR govts do will be vital in rebuilding trust again with them in the future. Strange times we are in.
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Obama remarked on the public’s pessimism? Is that after he decided to ruin the nation’s economy by keeping us in unnecessary wars that he vowed to get us out of, or was that after deciding to ruin the US economy by giving away huge amounts of taxpayer money to the Goldman Sachs and other enormous multinational corporations?
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1. Where can I find more info on corium-water interaction? (is it always an explosion that results?)
2. What’s the current state in a nutshell: 3 reactors in meltdown – possibly 6?
What exactly is primary versus secondary or other containment.
Is primary containment the actual stainless steel pressure vessel, or is it the concrete structure built around that central pressure vessel?
Is the entire reactor building the secondary containment?
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Also, what is the expected path of the “blob” (corium).
1. Melts through reactor vessel
2. Hits concrete
3. Hits granite
4. Hits water
5. Huge explosion
6. Possible ongoing ‘geyser’ or ‘fountain’
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CORIUM-WATER STEAM EXPLOSIONS
http://www.j-mst.org/year_abstract.asp?idx=170
Steam explosion experiments using partially oxidized corium
J. H. Kim
The Journal of Mechanical Science and Technology, vol. 22, no. 11, pp.2245-2253, 2008
Abstract : Two steam explosion experiments were performed in the TROI (Test for Real cOrium Interaction with water) facility by using partially oxidized molten corium (core material), which is produced during a postulated core melt accident in a nuclear reactor. A triggered steam explosion occurred in one case, but none occurred in the other case. The dynamic pressure and the dynamic load measured in the former experiment show a stronger explosion than those performed previously with oxidic corium. Meanwhile, a steam explosion is prohibited when the melt temperature is low, because the melt is easily solidified to prevent a liquid-liquid interaction. The partially oxidized corium could enhance the strength of a steam explosion due to the thermal energy from an exothermic chemical reaction between the water and the uranium metal with a sufficient superheat extracted during melting. The melt composition effect on a steam explosion load, which was not included during the nuclear design, needs to be included in it.
Keyword : Steam explosion; TROI; Partially oxidized corium; Core melt accident; Nuclear reactor
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Just to point out that cooling corium down appears to be a tricky area, or still under active research:
http://article.nuclear.or.kr/jknsfile/v41/JK0410575.pdf
CORIUM COOLABILITY UNDER EX-VESSEL ACCIDENT
CONDITIONS FOR LWRs
MITCHELL T. FARMER
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Mox plutonium is an unknown test fuel in this scenario – highly unstable and capable of breeding it’s own fuel beyond original ton capacity.
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Sounds like a politician.
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If so, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I’d be on the news and up in your inbox advocating testing and exposure reduction for you and lived ones. I’d intervene where radionuclide spikes occur in the environment and food chain. I’d ask we divert nuclear subsidies to fuel alternative research and implementation. I’d buy you solar panels with your taxes. I’d restructure the NRC so they’d be an actual regulatory body. I’d remove the Mox plutonium from 40 year old reactors on fault lines near population centers. I’d nationalize existing nuclear and rely on it as a temporary transition bridge to a new energy strategy. I wouldn’t lie to you about risk. I wouldn’t relucense these for another 20 years against science. Ya know… ETHICS.
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I think he meant that politicians are like mox.
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And this is the good news?
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[try this post again...apologies]
http://article.nuclear.or.kr/jknsfile/v41/JK0410575.pdf
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Ignore that post, too technical (and long).
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There is a simple explanation. A given amount of fuel will give off a given amount of energy within its life time. You cannot prevent it. This is not a fire you can put out. The variables are how fast and how long and flux per unit area. If the fuel is allowed to go critical, that is to have a chain reaction, its life time will be shorter but its intensity higher. The total energy will be the same. All of the analysis above does not touch on the fact that if they are able to contain the fuel they will still have to cope with the energy until it is expended. If it goes slowly we are talking millions of years. A half life is half power not no power. That is the problem with fuel rods they are with us forever. We cannot maintain our roads but we expect to keep resolidified fuel safe forever. And who exactly is going to pay for this totally non productive activity? Each of those reactors has fuel capable of producing 3Gigajoules of energy per second, that is watts if your more familier with that term. That energy has to be released some how otherwise the temperature will continue to rise. This is nuclear fuel, just as with an electrical fire there is no upper limit to temperature. The temperature will rise to how ever high it needs to go to dissipate the energy. If it has to turn to plasma to do it it will. Basic physics is not hard to understand only the people who try to make sure you do not.
FJN
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@ Pu 239
I prefer a copy paste …:) thank you,
the idea is a thumb up !!!
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WANTED: Information on avoidance tactics employed by major corporations to prevent contamination of metal equipment used within certain distances from Fukushima.
For example:
– Marine shipping companies requiring that metal containers used to deliver goods north of Tokyo be purchased by the customer so that the irradiated containers are not returned to the ship (already happening and reported).
– Airlines altering arrival and departure routes so as to avoid passage over and nearby Fukushima, and through downwind areas, which might contaminate the aircraft.
– Maritime shipping, military ships and submarines and cruise companies altering passage routes offshore Fukushima to avoid contamination (the ‘Eisenhower’ maneuver ?).
– Auto leasing companies restricting rental cars and trucks from being taken closer than certain distances from Fukushima.
– Used auto sales and export companies restricting purchases of vehicles originating within certains distances from Fukushima.
– Train and truck companies restricting the return of metal containers used to deliver liquids and solids north of Tokyo.
– Bank, retail and other businesses starting to avoid collecting metal coinage originating near Fukushima ?
Yes, the companies are being told to publicly deny that they are quarantining Fukushima, but I wonder what they are doing in reality, and if the quarantine is expanding ?
Used to be that ‘diamonds (and herpes) are forever’. Now it’s being modified to: diamonds, herpes and irradiated metal objects are forever’.
Wonder how the locals are responding to the danger?
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Regarding aviation, the flight restriction within 30km of the plant is still in effect. More specifically, aircraft are not allowed to fly within 30km of it at any altitude (from the surface to space). Here is the text of the NOTAM (notice to airmen) still active on the FAA’s listing today. This went into effect on 3/15 and has not been removed as of yet. Text below.
B1080/11 NOTAMR B1048/11
Q) RJJJ/QXXXX/IV/M/EW/000/999/3725N14102E017
A) RJSS B) 1103150259 C) PERM
E) IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ARTICLE 80 OF CIVIL AERONAUTICS LAW,
FLT PROHIBITED AREA IS ESTABLISHED AS FLW,
IDENTIFICATION : RJP1
AREA : WI A RADIUS OF 30KM FM 372529N1410158E
(THE TOKYO ELECTRIC POWER CO.INC. FUKUSHIMA NO.1,
OKUMA-FUTABA-CHO FUTABA-GUN IN FUKUSHIMA)
RMK/SEE AIP ENR 5.3-29
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 15 Mar 2011 03:03:00
SOURCE: RJAAYNYX
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Wish I had the link for you, almost crash time, but there was a
story blurb about cargo ships arrived at Rotterdam, I think, that was
found to cause clicks on the counters, I guess. sorry not coming with the good link.
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Pu239- very interesting articles. Thank you very much.
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+1 on Shill Magazine. They lost credibility with me long ago.
Is anyone watching the live feed? It doesn’t look good, what you can see through the smoke. (I know some say it’s haze or fog, but I think it’s smoke…) The reactor on the right is clearly burning and there are occasional puffs of dark smoke from the proximity of the one on the left, also. There was also a time they zoomed in, so I grabbed a couple screen shots. I’m going to try and correct for the smoke / haze with ‘the gimp’ & post the pics on the yahoo group in the pictures area.
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Even taken from the perspective of just the Japanese people`s most valid concerns, to trivialize the story is at least insensitive & mocking of Time Magazine and quite disappointing.
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Not great? Guess that Journalism degree finally paid off…
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More lies. But it’s TIme, so what can you expect?
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Just to note, it’s not really a Time article – just a blog with several writers that Time links to.
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“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
“Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?… Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?… The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
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