Tokyo Professor: I want to stress that Japan is on verge of collapse after Fukushima — Osaka Professor: If you don’t recognize health risks and take action right now, you have no future (VIDEO)

Published: September 24th, 2013 at 9:47 pm ET
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Title: 0.23μ㏜ – Fukushima: Is There a Way Out?
Source: Arirang TV
Date: Sept. 9, 2013

Fukushima: Is There a Way Out? […] What kind of tomorrow awaits Japan? […] The Japanese public spends every day in fear and anxiety, as the repercussions of the nuclear crisis can be felt everywhere, and there is no end in sight yet. […] Where is Fukushima headed? Will Japan be able to find a way out?

At 42:00 in

Professor Taisei Namura, Ph.D., National Institute of Biomedical Innovation (Under jurisdiction of Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, located in Osaka): Cancer doesn’t happen immediately. If you don’t recognize it and take action right now, you have no future. We must raise public awareness. We can’t rest assured just because it’s a small amount. The symptoms will not appear until decades later.

At 46:00 in

Professor Eiji Makino, Hosei University (“One of the most traditional private universities based in Tokyo”): This tragedy has revealed that Japan’s political, social, economic, and moral standards are falling apart. I think we’re facing a big crisis. I want to stress one more time that Japan is on the verge of a collapse.

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63 comments to Tokyo Professor: I want to stress that Japan is on verge of collapse after Fukushima — Osaka Professor: If you don’t recognize health risks and take action right now, you have no future (VIDEO)

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    This is true of every country in the world if we can't stop nuclear energy and weapons immediately and recognize the problem that all people share from nuclear waste and nuclear energy proliferation.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Very true, and to think Japan had less spent fuel rods than US reactors. We really need a waste repository as the spent fuel pools are all over the USA. I have a congressman in my district who emailed me today, and he said he was unaware things were so out of hand at Fuku.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        newsblackoutUSA, it is good that you are writing your congressman.

        It is sad that so much time and money and false reporting was spent on Yucca Mt. when it can never be a repository. It was picked simply because of geographical location, but has geologic features which are completely unsuited for a repository.

        We have to stop mining uranium and creating more nuclear waste. And as the companies who have nuclear power plants need to accept monetary responsibility for all incidents and accidents, so do the people who are using nuclear energy have to accept responsibility to store their own nuclear waste. It is immoral to force nuclear waste on someone else. If the American public would realize the radiation spewing out of every nuclear power plant, and the health effects of storing their own nuclear waste, and the amount of taxes used to subsidize nuclear energy and weapons, there would be a huge outcry to shut down every nuclear reactor.

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          I agree, no nuke is a good nuke. When TMI happened, there was an outcry and we still have nuclear today. People who want to make money can find many excuses to do so. An example is the people dying from prescription medication and medical mistakes everyday, the public outcry needs to be sonic boom to even get noticed. Doing unneeded procedures, prescribing medications that big pharma is giving kick backs for them to prescribe. Greed is the big issue.

          "Now comes a study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher 2014 between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death, the study says."

          http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals

          • Sixela Sixela

            I'm in total agreement newsblackout. Greed blinds those in power, and indoctrination blinds the general public. Friends think my postings about Fukushima are all about Japan. Um, no numb nutz, coming to a theater near you!

            I've been trying to explain the health care stuff to my family, but we have a lot of medically trained family members who like to call anything they didn't learn in med school psuedo-science. Thanks for the link!

            • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

              "I've been trying to explain the health care stuff to my family, but we have a lot of medically trained family members who like to call anything they didn't learn in med school psuedo-science."

              Yes Sixela, I'm having the same issue. But in my anecdote I've tried to get them to read here to see there are doctors and professors who are trained in peer reviewed science that are speaking out if only my med trained friends would actually click the links and read. They refuse. I believe a refusal to consider that scientists are coming forward in this discussion flat out denial. It is one of Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief and loss so I suppose we just have to take it in stride.

              "1. Denial and Isolation

              The first reaction to learning of (devastating loss) is to deny the reality of the situation. It is a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock. We block out the words and hide from the facts. This is a temporary response that carries us through the first wave of pain."

              The next stage is comes anger! We already see the germination of this among early acknowledgers but soon the masses will join us.

              Quote comes from: http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/000617

            • lickerface lickerface

              I deal with this mindset all the time. You'd think that at some point medical science would stop downplaying the successes of herbs, for example, but there's a lot of money in the pharma business. In my own line of work (I sell mitragyna speciosa online), I have witnessed attempts by threatened pharma associations to lobby congressmen to push bills through which would make our tree leaf illegal. Media is a big player in setting up the public opinion that such a bill might "save the children" (such nonsense)! The public either don't care or don't even know about our tree leaf, so it's even easier to slip legislation through the cracks. The most shocking thing is that legislators don't even fact-check (or even know history on herbs), and it is this ignorance that allows many bills to be signed. In my industry, the lobbyists and media run the show. I've come to realize that anything valuable out there will always be faced with an aggressive campaign to demonize it.

              Because the medical industry heavily relies on product releases, it will never be unbiased enough to actually put protecting life first. I could care less about trying to convince anyone within that closed box. Either they care about life and be a healer, or ride the system for pharmaceutical numbing. Not much inbetween.

      • PurpleRain PurpleRain

        Thank God/or whomever, that your Congressman finally listened!!~

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      It is not nuclear energy which is the problem, which is killing us. It is the ethical, moral development, evolution, of the human beings who handle it. Our moral consciousness has not been equal to the awesome task of managing nuclear energy. It is human consciousness which must change, which must grow, evolve, develop to a higher state. Without the commensurate growth in human consciousness, we will only destroy ourselves with the god-like power of the energy of the universe.

      It is our brutal, childlike consciousness which must end. Nuclear energy is the energy of the universe. We cannot stop it, we can only learn and evolve to learn to live within it's dictates.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Radiation kills, no matter how well it is handled. Nuclear weapons were developed to kill as many people as possible. And all other uses of nuclear is just to justify or produce the nuclear weapons. There is nothing natural about man-made radionuclides which do not exist in nature. At Hanford there are over 2,000 radionuclides. There is no way to ever handle nuclear waste. Self-destruction is not the energy of the universe. IMHO.

        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          Anne: I don't think God developed nuclear energy in order to kill as many people as possible. Humans decided to use the energy to kill as many people as possible. It is in taking this god-energy into our childlike hands that is the problem. But, finding that energy in our hands is part of the growth from childhood to….. It is the growth mandated by evolution. It is how we evolve to the next level of <i>godhood</i>, or if we do. This is the new test put before us.

          I don't know if you can understand what I am saying. If you did, you might condemn me as a heretic and sentence me to burning at the stake like the witches-unorthodox of old.

          I won't repartee with you much more. If you don't get what I'm saying, there's no point in trying to labor it.

          God bless you!

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            There is nothing divine about the development of nuclear energy. This was developed by men (and women) without any supernatural help. Nuclear energy kills at every stage of the nuclear cycle from mining uranium to nuclear waste and all in between. There is nothing supernatural about men killing men, women, and children.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              The test is the will to ban all weapons of mass destruction which includes nuclear energy. There will always be nuclear accidents until the human genome is destroyed and humans are extinct, because humans are ruled by other humans who will not give up the power they achieve with nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is perpetuated by human hubris. Splitting the atom is the destroyer of worlds. Nothing divine here.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Hear! Hear!

              Man is not ready or even close to be/becoming a God!

              What has been done was a huge mistake and not anything like anything divine…

              Animals have no right to own such weapons…

            • dharmasyd dharmasyd

              And just who, Anne, developed the men and women who developed nuclear energy. In the gbeginning was the word, and the word was with god, and all that…Jebus took me to task for criticizing you. I accept that. I have absolutely no desire to argue with you. And with you, I've not found another option besides saying "I agree with you," or arguing. You don;t exchange ideas; you proclaim. I congratulate you on knowing that you are RIGHT! I haven't tried to talk to you in a couple of years. I tried tonight. I shan't try again. Goodnight, Anne. May God bless you!

          • Jebus Jebus

            @dharmasyd, I did not find one word about anyone's god above, except your post. You are trying to incite. Please leave your god out of this conversation about Fukushima…

            I feel the need to remind you:

            Before clicking 'Submit Comment', please make sure it's: 1) On-Topic – This includes off-topic political, religious, or other such comments; 2) Relevant; 3) Not repetitive; 4) Not insulting, rude or hateful – No personal attacks; 5) A maximum of four short paragraphs (or ~25%, whichever is less) if copy and pasted from an external news source due to copyright reasons; 6) Links to personal websites will still be allowed, but limited to no more than two links per post. If not, it may get deleted.

            • dharmasyd dharmasyd

              Jebus…I apologize. Yes. T'is I who mentioned god, but I would correct one thing. It is not "MY" god. And I don't need reminding about the rules. I do beleive that we are involved in a vast evolutionary process. It is far more vast than any tiny supernatural being. Nuff said.

              Sleep well.

          • We Not They Finally

            dharmasyd, God didn't develop nuclear energy!! There is not even any safe amount, so surely it's not from God. Pretty evil, destructive, greedy, violent men did this. It may already be too late, but anyone of any humanity will have the decency to JUST STOP. PERIOD.

      • or-well

        Hi dharmasyd
        even if we had not discovered nuclear energy, we'd still be in a boatload of trouble, because of that brutal – and may I substitute primitive for childlike? – consciousness.

      • micky thered micky thered

        sorry, but u are mistaken. even a properly run plant will still discharge radioactivity. the water from the cooling ponds that they periodically flush out to sea contains tritium and the vent stacks are releasing radiation into the air every minute of every day, year in, year out.
        the sad reality is that the future is a radioactive one, we cannot put the genie back in the bottle, all we can do is close all plants and hope no more bottles get broken.

    • ftlt

      Anne: Yea!!! Yes!! Yes!!!..

      Too bad countries don't answer to their peoples any longer or feel they have too…

      The police state is worldwide… And these folks love their nukes..

      OCCUPY!!!!!

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nothing can be done.

    Far too late.

    We can complain and be depressed. And that's it.

    The world's ill-informed politicians, starting with Eisenhower, took us to this point.

  • Sixela Sixela

    Maybe we can contact Nate Silver. He got really popular during election season, and is a data and probability guru. HBR just interviewed him. Anyway, get him some data, and let him run the probability of them clearing SFP4 with no problems/criticalities. Also, some ancillary numbers of types of cancers, dispersion rates, etc. MSM will believe Nate Silver. He is their God of Data. So, let's get him on board. He can also talk about the probability that EPA rad data "malfunctions" happen to randomly coincide with when other parts of the world are reporting wind carried fall out. And that the new thyroid cancers in Japan are random. And the likelihood that it is only 300 tons of radwater per day. He could have a field day with all this stuff!

  • razzz razzz

    "This tragedy has revealed that Japan’s political, social, economic, and moral standards are falling apart."…Must be only talking about the government itself. The little people know better just can't do anything about it.

  • papacares papacares

    and then this article from Berkeley at
    http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/nuclear-expert-fukushima-spent-fuel-has-85-times-more-cesium-released-chernobyl-%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Cit-woul
    and in the comment section over and over this theme:
    Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2013-08-30 07:16.

    Courtesy of the Health Physics Society chapter at the University of Michigan:

    http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm

    The average person's radiation exposure due to all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing is given in the above table under "Fallout" as being <0.03 % of the average person's background dose.

    That is; Mother Nature continues to be the largest source of the average person's radiation exposure by a factor greater than 3000!

    So by increasing the Cs-137 exposure by 50%; one is making a 50% increase in a very small percentage of our radiation exposure.

    It's only the unthinking, unprincipled, lying, anti-nuclear progandists that say that this is going to extinguish all life on Earth. What do the scientists say? Here's the testimony to Congress by the past President of the Health Physics Society; a Professor of Medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical School and a cancer epidimeologist with the Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center:

    http://www.vicc.org/dd/display.php?person=boicej_compuserve.com

    Dr. Boice's testimony on Fukushima to Congress:

    http://www.hps.org/documents/John_Boice_Testimony_13_May_2011.pdf

    The health consequences for…

    • papacares papacares

      Continuing

      The health consequences for Japanese workers and public appear to be minor

      The health consequences for United States citizens are negligible to nonexistent

      —————–

      One would think the response from Berkeley would have been less
      nuclear towards those of us who oppose this horrible nightmare of technology that is being forced upon us – was it not once said the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        The unfolding Fukushima story has enormously strengthened the case for advanced nations – including Japan – to build more nuclear powerplants, in the knowledge that no imaginable disaster can result in serious problems.

        http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/

        we must listen to the scientists and professionals; nuclear is safe, nobody has been harmed and civilization will collapse without nuclear

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          AS if the events were not horrible enough, are you really advocating making them worse?

          • papacares papacares

            @anne & jebus – surely codeshutdown's comment was pure sarc. the point trying to be made is Berkeley has
            a prof who is trying to point out Fukushima has the potential to be an ELE and yet his contemporaries and students ridicule him in the comments section as being a tin foil hat nut case and one commentor cited as proof the following;
            In testimony to Congress by the past President of the Health Physics Society; a Professor of Medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical School and a cancer epidimeologist with the Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center:The health consequences for Japanese workers and public appear to be minor….The health consequences for United States citizens are negligible to nonexistent

            Those statements by a veted Professor of Medicine are not only incredible they are irresponsible, IMHO

        • Jebus Jebus

          I think papacares and code were showing the hubris of these nuclear proponents and their attempts at quickly jumping in to mitigate the damage to their precious nuclear power without contemplating how bad Fuku really is, as codes link was from March 14th 2011

          Here is a quote from Lewis Page on Fuku, classic…

          "The whole sequence of events is a ringing endorsement for nuclear power safety. If this – basically nothing – is what happens when decades-old systems are pushed five times and then some beyond their design limits, new plants much safer yet would be able to resist an asteroid strike without problems."

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            bingo Jebus. Sorry anne, I know you have Indian blood and no place for obtuse inverted sarcasms. Truth is, I am so amazed and disappointed that such pro nuke articles can possibly be penned, in the face of global disaster, and people buy into it. a sad state of affairs

      • We Not They Finally

        papacares, the sources you quote are CORRUPT. Why don't you look at actual stats? Like when I was born, right after WWII, cancer was RARE. Now it's common. Where do you think that that came from??

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      You should offer yourself as a public test case to prove this point if you actually believe it, breathe in deeply for 10 years in Fukushima and come back to us and tell us more, papacares.

      The National Academy of Sciences has established that there is no safe dose of radiation. http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030909156X

      • We Not They Finally

        10 YEARS? If papacares (does he?) just goes to the 10 sv/hr hot spot in Fukushima for ten MINUTES, I think he'll figure it out.

      • papacares papacares

        come on guys – start reading the comments rather than jump to a conclusion – nowhere did I state what you are accusing me of – in fact if you would actually read you would realise the truth of the matter is from the thread ENENEWS reports i.e. a Tokyo Prof as saying Japan because of FUKU is on the verge of collapse and a Prof at Berkeley agrees with him, yet the students and collegues of the Prof at Berekely overwhelmingly castigate him – do you realise the depth of this battle we are engaged in – the younger generations actually believe nuke is great, healthy and the future rather than the obvious to anyone with a brain that nuke is the most destructive, and medically disastrous force that if not checked entirely will mean the end with no future for anyone

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          More propaganda from papacares, it is false that the younger generations actually think nuke is great. UC Berkeley is a famous tool of the nuclear industry, they have been pushing plutonium literally into the Pacific Ocean next to San Francisco, and figuratively with their lies for generations.

          "In 2013, Soka Gakkai International released the results of its international survey[16] in which 91.2% of respondents believe that nuclear arms are inhumane and 80.6% favor a comprehensive treaty banning all weapons of mass destruction. The 2,840 survey respondents were men and women of ages 15 to 45 from Australia, Brazil, Britain, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, South Korea and the USA–the official and unofficial nuclear weapon states, states under the US nuclear umbrella and states in nuclear-weapons-free zones (NWFZs).[17]
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_nuclear_issues

        • mopar69 mopar69

          Ah Papa, forgive them for they only parrot the byline "shill" "pro nuke" "propaganda" ad nauseum at the slightest hint of deviation from their doctrine. Comprehension is apparently trumped by mania as evidenced by the number of rational commentators who have moved on. Peace.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Papacares -"It's only the unthinking, unprincipled, lying, anti-nuclear progandists that say that this is going to extinguish all life on Earth. What do the scientists say?"

      "The scientists" is pretty broad. I don't think the anti-nuclear people have a monopoly on "unthinking, unprincipled, lying" behavior. And labeling your opposition as "propagandists" is propaganda.

      P.S. I bet most everyone on this site had science in high school.

      I don't own stock in a nuclear company. How about you? I also don't own any stock at all. So I am not defending my anti-nuclear stance for monetary gain. If you believe what you are saying, why don't you invest in an organic farm in Hanford, Washington. Just hold onto it for it's potential future profits. Better yet, buy some beachfront property in Fukushima Prefecture, Japan. Then, ask your neighbors to back you up.

      • papacares papacares

        again that was not my comment – the comment you refer to is from Dr. Boice past President of the Health Physics Society; a Professor of Medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical School and a cancer epidimeologist with the Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center:

        come on guys start reading my comment to the original post causing such ill words from commentors;

        papacares stated, "One would think the response from Berkeley would have been less nuclear towards those of us who oppose this horrible nightmare of technology that is being forced upon us – was it not once said the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits

    • Jebus Jebus

      Reading comprehension skills are critical if we are to someday band together and collectively defeat this life killing monster that is nuclear power…

      quoting papacares last continued paragraph:

      "One would think the response from Berkeley would have been less
      nuclear towards those of us who oppose this horrible nightmare of technology that is being forced upon us – was it not once said the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits"

      Geeze people, figure it out. papa cares…

  • or-well

    "What's scarier than the radiation covering the skies above Fukushima is the black cloud concealing the truth."

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    When all the scientist are bought off or threaten they di as told, would want to your mother or any other family member head on a platter? Hell NO! These people are insane evil nut cases who think this won't get to them, well they are wrong! It's coming & hell is coming with it & there's no way to stop what has happen, so prepare & do yourselves the best you can, spread the word as best you can, the monetary fall is coming to Japan, Europe & the USA & the world. All the Kings men will not stop this Monster, so make right with your maker & may Peace be in your Heart!

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Yeah, them evil cats have done bullied their way into a wolves den. They're screwed. Coincidentally, we are too.

      It's not confirmed that this nuclear accident will kill us all, yet. The thing is they want to keep building those things.

      Thanks to the technology called "the toilet" we crap in our homes alot. But if that technology did not exist, I bet we would not crap very often in the house before the stink changed our ways.

      Now imagine if crap were toxic. Well, it is when you think about it. If you were trapped in your bathroom with no toilet and just crapped in there all the time and could not get out it probably would kill you.

      Most of us learned this already but I bet these nuke-building fools would just keep on crapping right on and invite others to do the same. This lesson plan has been written for your 4th grade bullies —without your plumbing you would probably all die.

      Note: not an ounce of hate here. Just hoping you will learn to open the door to your bathroom and shovel the shit outside. Now just imagine there is no outside and you are stuck with all your shit. Now you see how I feel. This planet is our home and we can't just shovel the shit out on our neighbors lawn, because the nearest neighbor is about a million million miles away or something like that. Do you understand? You just can't keep making this shit. And if you think you can I hope you believe in God. For your sake, I hope he is a plumber.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Even if he is a plumber I am afraid we are all screwed!

        The US had better take a 180 degree move/turn now and shut down all their Nuclear Power Plants immediately and then put all their energy resources into renewables in all forms .

        Why?

        If one of these Nuclear Power Plants goes up and releases anything like Fukushima just did, there is no money to correct anything that goes wrong with anything related to Nuclear Technology.

        This is what happens when you allow any "by law collective" to spend money that is not/never has been their money!
        http://news.yahoo.com/us-borrowing-authority-exhausted-oct-17-151054701–finance.html

        The US is now broke!

  • AntonButler

    So Japan had a beggar its neighbor policy,
    cheap nuclear power
    for cheap electricity,
    for cheap exports of cars,
    and many Europeans in car industry lost their jobs.
    Now the bill 150,000,000,000,EUROS for clean up of Fukushima.
    This should teach the Japanese not to beggar its neighbors in the future.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Japanese had no choice as this technology was shoved up their ass purposefully!

    Car salesman are now running the entire world!

    To cheap to meter at the time was the focal point of the sale as they handed the keys of this Nuclear Technology over to the Japanese and then they walked right out the door!

    Problem is they have done the exact same thing to all Americans!

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Japan didn't take decisive and immediate action to evacuate central Japan because it feared a political collapse.

    Japan didn't want to evacuate its economic center, Tokyo, because it feared an economic collapse.

    TEPCO dragged its feet on the "clean-up" because it feared bankrupting the company.

    Japan didn't want to admit that corium had left reactor buildings, heavily contaminating hundreds of tonnes of groundwater a day pouring into the Pacific Ocean, because it feared a collapse of the Japanese fishing industry.

    Japan put-off a takeover of the clean-up from TEPCO because they didn't want to bankrupt the nation.

    Japan wants to restart idle nuclear reactors because it fears a collapse of the nuclear industry.

    After 2 1/2 years, take a look at the results of Japanese inaction and foot-dragging:
    Japan's Government is in chaos.
    The economy is in freefall.
    TEPCO is a government-owned shell of a company.
    Japan is bankrupt.
    People are leaving Japan in droves, and any family who can is sending their kids out of the country to school.
    The nuclear industry is in ruins.
    Radioactive Pacific Ocean Seafood from Japan is banned from a growing number of nations.
    Countries no longer want any radioactive imports from Japan (not even Japan's radioactive scrap metal.)
    The masses of Japanese people are clearly saying "NO" to nuclear energy.
    And TEPCO still can't tell us where 250 tonnes of melted nuclear fuel got to. 😉

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Exact same thing happened to Russia after Chernobyl…

    The real question to ponder is: What nation is now next in line for the/this massive carnage left by this Nuclear Industry Technology Power Generation practice where ever it is found?

    Americans need to wake up very quickly from their by law drug induced stupor!