Published: December 23rd, 2011 at 3:35 pm ET
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Gov’t starring in own show to bring Fukushima nuclear crisis ‘under control’, Mainichi Daily News, Dec. 23, 2011 [Emphasis Added]:
[...] The government view disclosed by nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono that “the situation is under control onsite, but not offsite,” is based only on circumstantial evidence; no one has actually seen inside the reactors.
We can only deduce that the “conclusion” of the crisis, rather than being based on scientific evidence, comes from placing priority on a political decision to create the impression that the crisis has been brought under control quickly. As the stance of a government that is supposed to protect the lives and property of people, such an approach is questionable. [...]
Published: December 23rd, 2011 at 3:35 pm ET
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“the situation is under control onsite, but not offsite”
That’s a tough one to parse.
Does it mean “the horse is out of the barn but we’ve got the door locked”?
Does it mean “nobody at the site is talking, but tongues are starting to wag elsewhere”?
Does it mean “we’ve declared cold shutdown, but we have not yet declared ‘crisis over’ for the Pacific”?
Sick humor aside, what the heck might it mean?
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All of the above!
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It means (if one views the other headline re: the reactor situation and status of supposed cold shutdown posted today 12/23/11, there is no containment (vessels leaking) at one or more reactors. Radiation so high in at least one reactor there can be no work done. The technology for cleanup doesn’t exist. The only hope at this point is to build robots to conduct the cleanup.
Therefore, abandon work at the sight and declare cold shutdown. Make a thinly veiled appeal for international assistance (finally).
See the video posted 12/23/11.
http://enenews.com/nhk-radiation-high-reactor-3-gas-detector-place-building-be-decontaminated-install-device-video
The lack of control of the situation offsite must mean “our efforts at spin and damage control appear to be failing because many are not buying our lie about cold shutdown.”
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Burn, baby, burn!
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Multiple +++es
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Boy when I see tripe like that, I want jump right into that screen grab one of those lying bastards.
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HoHo Hosono -
Nuclears’ bitch -
Throws out another
left-handed pitch.
Minister in Charge
(bonus PR for Tepco)
Says it’s under control
(pretty much from the get-go).
“Where I am it’s dandy-
Umeboshi Plum-candy!
Where you are – feh, so what -
We won’t let you know squat.
Good Japanese
don’t spread Sad-Spirit Rumors
Remain in your homes
and quietly grow tumors.”
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Gets my vote for your best one yet, or-well! I almost choked on my Pocky.
Got TAB for that?
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What’s TAB aigeezer ?
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Sorry, or-well, I meant guitar TAB. Drifting off topic, but I kept trying to make your opus fit into Christmas Carol tunes and I got to wondering if you already had a tune to fit. It almost fits with Silent Night, but it gets a bit macabre that way.
Tumor humor. Aieee. What has Tepco done to us?
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aigeezer, I could not bring myself to do this with Christmas songs. Too much defilement already in this world.
BTW, I heard Fruitcake is impervious to radiation !
Also, FYI Brother James Tekton inspired a couple more in the discussion thread yeaterday (he said modestly).
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“BTW,I heard Fruitcake is impervious to radiation!”
ROTFLMAO! I literally blew chicken soup all over my monitor!
Thanks for the laugh…it helps in such dire straits.
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Before this is over we are all going to be weeping, wailing and gnashing our teeth.
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Is it possible to get permission to repost in blog or include in future book?
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@ AGreenRoad, is that question for me ? If so,do what you like!
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Yes, thanks…
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Wow classic, not lost in translation
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Yep, or-well is indeed a ver good poet!
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You Rock or-well.
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It means, “Smile and the radiation won’t hurt you.”
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Intentional Situational Sabotage And Active Advanced Disinformation Tactics; Clearly Demonstrative Of Campaign To Undermine And Suppress Alternative Media -
These Actions Treasonous In Nature Confirm Mandatory Peaceful Resistance Of All Citizens Within Industrial Nations Execute Those Guilty Of Criminal Actions Public Tribunal Involving Bilateral Political And Legal Contribution.
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That reads like a SITREP followed by an Official Directive coming up on a screen in an imaginary
Peoples Bureau of Planetary Security.
It’s an interesting approach GuanShiYin.
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I wish the Peoples Bureau of Planetary Security could issue that directive…
http://www.planetarysecurity.org/
BTW, they are looking for an Associate Director…
http://www.planetarysecurity.org/PSF_AssocDirector2011.pdf
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Well whaddya know Jebus !
Anti-nuke weapons, but I didn’t find anything about them being anti-nuke power plants.
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You won’t stop the NPP’s without stopping the WMD’s…
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Npp is what? Nuclear Power Pimp?
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YEP Yep Yep…Stop the WMDs because the WMDs need NPPs to supply the fuel for the Weapons of Mass Destruction. It is a totally symbiotic relationship!
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We really should be at the point now where anyone who knowingly finances, abets or harbors those who produce nuclear weapons, including NPPs (which are nuclear weapons themselves, and used to produce more) should be tried for crimes against humanity.
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Nuclear Spring…
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa050700c.htm
A nuclear spring?
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/Outside-View/2010/04/14/Outside-View-A-nuclear-spring/UPI-52441271239860/
I find it difficult to think happy thoughts while puking…
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http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/bloated-nuclear-weapons-budget-and.html
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yep its good for buisness, and these are the boys who have been employed by tepco from the beginning.. kept that quiet too!!
Shaw Successfully Mitigating Environmental Impacts at Nuclear Site in Japan November 30th, 2011
“The Shaw Group Inc. (NYSE: SHAW) today announced that support services contracted by its subsidiary, Shaw Global Services, LLC, are performing as designed to help recovery at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station in Japan. After a tsunami and earthquake hit Japan in March, the Toshiba Corp. led Shaw, Babcock & Wilcox, Westinghouse and Exelon Nuclear Partners to provide emergency response support. Shaw deployed water treatment, radiation monitoring and consulting services.
“Experts from Shaw have been working closely with our partners in Japan since the massive earthquake and tsunami struck,” said J.M. Bernhard Jr., Shaw’s chairman, president and chief executive officer. “Our technical systems at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station were brought online very quickly and safely through the help of our subcontractors and already have demonstrated successful operations. We are committed to this long-term effort and are ready to employ our critical resources, leadership and technical solutions for years to come.””
And this
“Shaw and its legacy companies have extensive experience with some of the biggest nuclear, environmental and natural disasters in history, including Three Mile Island and Chernobyl; hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma; and the Haiti, Northridge, Calif., “
And this
“Shaw and its legacy companies have extensive experience with some of the biggest nuclear, environmental and natural disasters in history, including Three Mile Island and Chernobyl; hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma; and the Haiti, Northridge, Calif., and Sumatra earthquakes.”
cont……
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“…….“A Fortune 500 company with fiscal year 2011 annual revenues of $5.9 billion, Shaw has approximately 27,000 employees around the world and is a power sector industry leader according to Engineering News-Record’s list of Top 500 Design Firms. For more information, please visit Shaw’s website at http://www.shawgrp.com “
http://us.generation-nt.com/shaw-successfully-mitigating-environmental-impacts-at-nuclear-site-press-3273451.html
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Great pic, Jebus! How did yer get yer doggie to hold still fer that one, or is it Photoshopped?
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Maximum efficiency allowing optimum information transfer essential during incredible crisis: Nuclear Disaster Event Fukushima Daiichi.
Personal Feelings, Desires – Egotistical Sentiment Reserved For 20th Century – Current Planetary Condition Mandates All Organic Life Forms Embrace Higher Thought Patterns – We Must All Operate Under Emergency Extinction Protocol Saving A World Worth Living For Our Children And Ancestors.
Thank You Or – Well: For Daring To Have A Good Heart In This Callous Confusing World.
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Russia to supply uranium to Japan
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2011/12/23/Russia-to-supply-uranium-to-Japan/UPI-17131324673104/
Keeping the pipeline open, they must be smelling restarts.
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Breathe deeply, meee laddeeesss, rig up the mainsails, raise the anchors. We sail into radioactive plutonium rivers and toxic uranium laced oceans to harpoon us some cesium tainted white whales. (We need to ‘study’ em)
By the way, thanks for the emergency funds for disaster relief, so we can use them to go get some of these whales.. You never know, they might not be around much longer, so we need to get some more, while they are still around.
“About 498.9 billion yen was earmarked for fisheries-related spending, including 2.28 billion yen for “stabilising whaling research”.”
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/japan-confirms-greenpeace-whaling-charge/story-e6frfkyi-1226216712737#ixzz1hPOhNGXo
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Are Japanese dolphins at least getting a one year break? Could it be that part of the money above is going to resume the dolphin ‘study’ program, where they herd hundreds of dolphins into a cove and then slaughter them?
http://www.alternet.org/food/148067/dolphin_slaughter_resumes_in_japan
Maybe it was the dolphins and whales working with King Neptune that caused the earthquake and tsunami? Maybe they are getting somewhat pissed off, after trying to communicate with these upright skin bags, who seem to not want to listen?
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I think you have got it right on! Ahab knows absolutely nothing about inter-species, beyond-tech communication. And most humans don’t either!
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UNDERCOVER REPORTER SAYS:
Conditions at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant are far worse than its operator or the government has admitted, according to freelance journalist Tomohiko Suzuki, who spent more than a month working undercover at the power station.
“Absolutely no progress is being made” towards the final resolution of the crisis, Suzuki told reporters at a Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan news conference on Dec. 15. Suzuki, 55, worked for a Toshiba Corp. subsidiary as a general laborer there from July 13 to Aug. 22, documenting sloppy repair work, companies including plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) playing fast and loose with their workers’ radiation doses, and a marked concern for appearances over the safety of employees or the public.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT
FUKUSHIMA IS OUT OF CONTROL
THE MSM IS REFUSING TO REPORT THE TRUTH!!
http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2011/12/absolutely-no-progress-being-made-at.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheWordTheWholeWordAndNothingButTheWord+%28The+Word%2C+The+Whole+Word%2C+and+nothing+but+the+Word%29
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“Whoopie hacks HuffPo computer, deletes ALL pro-nuke Comments.”
OK, I made it up.
Merry Christmas Whoopie !
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Christmas dreams! LOL!
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FIRE DOG LAKE:
“To paraphrase the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Merry Effin’ Christmas.
In a news dump that came a day early (because who really wants to dump on Christmas-Eve Eve?), the Nuclear Regulatory Commission made a pair of moves Thursday that could have significant consequences for America’s nuclear industry–and all the people who have to live with it.
First, the Westinghouse AP1000 reactor design got the big thumbs up:
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a radical new reactor design on Thursday, clearing away a major obstacle for two utilities to begin construction on projects in South Carolina and Georgia.
Whoa–let’s stop it there for a sec. . . .
MUCH MUCH MORE AT LINK
http://my.firedoglake.com/gregglevine/2011/12/23/you-could-even-say-it-glows-nrc-votes-to-fast-track-a-more-dangerous-nuclear-future/
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“As Benjamin Disraeli was wont to say, “There are three kinds of lies in the world: lies, damn lies, and statistics.” Selectively using cancer data from the mid-70s on amounts to all three kinds of lie at once. Clearly, we can see that although cancer is an ancient disease, its incidence and mortality have skyrocketed in the 20th Century.”
http://www.jonbarron.org/alternative-cancer/historic-growth-rates-of-cancer
No mention of all of the nuclear testing, nuclear accidents, and releases of all kinds of radiation, which causes cancer.
Way back when, cancer was almost unknown.. Now, the rate of cancer is about one per three people. Where is the graph that shows cancer rate going from one per billion people to one in three?
Read the comments section below the article above. Indians did not know cancer. It did not exist for them, UNTIL THEY BECAME URANIUM MINERS. Then their cancer rate skyrocketed.
Hmmmmm, no scientific data here.. move on, nothing to see..
Official government statistics say cancer is decreasing, and we are all safe, no matter how much radiation is released.
Believe. Smile, and radiation will not hurt you.
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Always Spot on GR. Posted here soon off to bed:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-cold-shutdown_n_1152889.html
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE ESP JAPAN!
BETTER NEWS TOMORROW PLEASE!!
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Merry Christmas Whoopie, Whoop it up! Envision tranquility and a sustainable way of life on this earth, there is no substitute.
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“I only believe in statistics I fabricate myself.”
– Winston Churchill
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How can onsite be under controll if offsite is not?
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Good question, maaa. Some of that pesky offsite radiation might drift back over the plant and interfere with the cold shutdown.
If the plant is the only place that’s under control, perhaps they should turn it into a shelter for all of us who are in the dangerous offsite zone.
Black is white. Up is down. Onsite is under control.
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You have to understand the doublespeak. They are referring to the Public Relations situation, which is under control onsite after the announcement of “cold shutdown”. Offsite, the PR situation is very tenuous, what with all the reports of cesium, strontium, iodine, and other radionuclides popping up all over the place. But never fear, they are working hard to suppress those pesky reports, too. Soon everything will be fine.
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“Weird Al” Yankovic – Christmas At Ground Zero comes to mind this Holiday season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t039p6xqutU&ob=av2e
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That black humor is almost prophetic.
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Cynical Sarcastic Dark Humor Has Quickly Assumed A Prominent Role In Peoples Conscious Intentions -
This Radical Behavior Is Another Weaponized Social Pattern Designed To Proliferate Unproductive Behavior And Cognitive Dissonance To Exceptional Consequences.
- Also Survival Mechanism Allowing Individuals Maintenance Of Psychic Levity.
Projected Focus Intention – Cessation To All Hazardous Nuclear Weapons Platforms And Power Generation Plants. Memory To Japan – Our Extinction Depends Upon It.
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That’s a classic! I just love Wierd Al! Needed a laugh today.
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Technically they may be telling the truth.
The radionuclides IN the plants have migrated OUTSIDE and are therefore uncontrollable. Not as easy as rounding up sheep, which are by far larger than nuclear particles.
They have no idea what is inside because they can’t get in to measure anything.
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Or maybe that’s what they’re trying to inform us in their own clumsy way.
“Sorry, there’s nothing inside the plants because they’ve all gone outside”.
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A Devil’s Brew. There are so many nasty isotopes being created it makes my head spin.
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Hahahahahah
Nice one nonuke!
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No mention of #3 reactor which is so radioactive they haven’t been able to install a gas monitor to see what is going on. Goshi Hosono as I’ve said before has a degree in law. So that says it all as far as Japanese Government priorities go. If I had a triple meltdown oh sorry melt through in my backyard I would want someone who had operated one of these beasts to be Minister in charge of nuclear accident. Not a glorified lawyer looking for a political career. Goshi, you are Minister in charge of Bullshitting the crowd. Typical Lawyer double speak its under control on the inside but not on the outside. He knows less about nuclear power then many of the posters on this site.
Check this quote out “One of the goals that TEPCO initially announced for step 2 was filling the reactor containment vessels with water. However, the utility abandoned this plan after it emerged that there were holes in the containment vessels. Eventually, officials decided to delay such measures for five years or more.” Nice, five fucking years of radiated water leaking into the ocean. War on Drugs? War on Terrorism?!!?
Sorry for swearing but WTF? USA is the superpower. What are they doing? Dicking around in Afghanistan and Libya, hiring thugs to grope children and Grandmas in the name of terrorism at airports. If plutonium is legal then why not heroin? I’m not pro drug but really I would much rather deal with a nodding off junkie then a gram of plutonium! The general jist of the article, is stuff I read here many moons ago. Except no mention of #3 which is scary. Remember #3 is the one with the “trial MOX (ground up plutonium added ) fuel. Hows the trial going now boys? And you in the States are building a MOX fuel factory. I love all you American posters but sorry your government is Fucked. Yeah they start to tell the truth around Christmas when everybody is busy. Nice. Merry Fucking Xmas you bunch of asshole nuclear criminals.
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Cut off all Gov’t funding to nuclear and oil and military quit buying junk take more exemption on paycheck take a extension at the end of year when filing your tax return cut off the money and these evil business will end. Happy Holidays
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I wish that would happen. We Taxpayers are the ones who foot the bill for these damn reactors and I am SICK OF IT! Effin’ Merry Christmas, eh?
Happy Holidays to you too.
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NEW TWEET DEC 24
After Fukushima: A Changing Climate For Nuclear
by CHRISTOPHER JOYCE
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/24/144194064/after-fukushima-a-changing-climate-for-nuclear?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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This year has something unpleasant in common with the years 1979 and 1986. In 1979, a nuclear reactor at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania melted down. In 1986, the Soviet reactor at Chernobyl blew up and burned.
Nuclear power had enjoyed 25 years of relative quiet
RIGHT THERE IS THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM. Too little oversight, regulations pushed aside…NO CONTROL.
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TEPCO DRAINING WATER ON UNDERGROUND FLOOR
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_111224_02-e.pdf?source=RSS
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Can someone with a good engineering background help interpret this?
My eyes have glazed over. I think it’s routine (but I can’t tell). I think it’s mildly good news (but I’m not sure).
For example: they report an increase in water level. Is that a good thing? Did it increase in the tank they are draining into or the trench they are draining out of?
They are reporting temperatures in degrees Kelvin – I would have expected Celsius. Are they “up to something” or am I being too wary?
They reference an ion exchange system to remove salt from an sfp. Again, is this “routine” or “urgent”? How much salt? Why remove it now?. What will they do with it?…
As usual, this Tepco report may hide important stuff in the drone of apparent trivia. Can anyone confirm whether or not it’s just boilerplate data?
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Came through a Tweet from Lucas. Maybe he has an explanation @
Enformable.
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“Continuously implementing water spray using water after purifying accumulated water of Unit 5 and Unit 6
to prevent spontaneous fire of trimmed trees and diffusion of dust.”
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No matter how much radioactive water they accumulate – it’s danger is minimal compared to the nuclear fuel directly.
They need to contain the fuel – immediately. They need to put the fires out – immediately.
They need to get all of the other fuel that has not melted out of Fukushima – that includes Diani – immediately.
If they don’t, radioactive water doesn’t make a bit of difference, because the amount to be made in the future dwarfs the amount they have already made.
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Vast Majority Population STILL Unaware Of Daini Plant Situation –
Daini Reactor Event Analogous Counterpart Example Is Building 7 – WTC Attack.
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Would you please explain?
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Am familiar with the WTC7 part, but not the Daini analogy.
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“spontaneous fire of trimmed trees”
That’s an odd one. Are they telling us the trees are the problem? They might just suddenly burst into flame for no reason (in late December)? Gee, I’ll have to start watching my own trees more closely.
“Purifying” sounds so innocent. Maybe it’s a translation thing.
The more they tell, the less they reveal.
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I think the translation would probably be better as “wild fires”.
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The increase seems to be from the leakage of the processing plant being placed in the basements, rather than back in processing, to prevent contamination of the filters with ground debris.
Keep in mind that the basements are a balancing act with the groundwater. Take out too much water from the basement for purifying, and the leaks from groundwater fills the basement back up, creating more water that needs processing. Don’t take out enough, the basement water flows into the ground, spreading radiation into the water table.
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Re: Japan Earthquake: nuclear plants
Originally Posted by SteveElbows View Post
TEPCO have released a large number of previous unpublished videos, taken over many months.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/111111-e.html
It says there
so make copies
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Thanks Stock. Will do just that and post to HP.
“ORDERED TO DIE” Undercover journalist
(dont know if posted it’s DUTCH has todays date)
http://xandernieuws.punt.nl/?id=648701&r=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Here it is translated.
Just search for Google Translate
and then type webpage (copy the http) in the box for page translation, Dutch works much better than Japanese!
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fxandernieuws.punt.nl%2F%3Fid%3D648701%26r%3D1%26utm_source%3Dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
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WTH?!?!
The German government may be getting out of the nuclear power business at home, but it is still active internationally. Berlin is currently reviewing applications for federal export guarantees for four nuclear projects abroad. Environmentalists are furious, saying the phaseout must also apply to the sale of atomic energy technology.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,804687,00.html
This is bullsh111t! No More Nukes means NO MORE NUKES, home or sale of ANY elsewhere!!! I dont live in Germany but I’m PISSED! BB probably IS pissed.
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Typical Corporate Hypocrisy.
We Must Practice Vigilence And Control Around Every Corner -
For They Will Be Plotting With Duplicitous Malice, Against Reason And Sanity With Each Decision Made By Any Corporate Or Any Government Across This Planet.
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AEC chairman warned people within 170 km of Fukushima plant might need to relocate
The head of the government’s nuclear energy panel warned in March that all residents in areas within a 170-kilometer radius of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant might need to be relocated in a worst-case scenario, sources close to the government have disclosed. …
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111224p2a00m0na011000c.html
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Interesting find, xdrfox.
My take is that any warning that includes the notion “might” is not useful, except for posturing and ass-covering by bureaucrats.
The world might end within 15 minutes (or it might not). I warned you!
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Japan AEC? Isn’t that NISA? Did you mean IAEA? Sorry, the reference to AEC is confusing . That used to be the name of the NRC ….
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Santa’s getting all fukued right now.
http://www.noradsanta.org/en/
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Posted both at HP
Santa ain’t loading for me…but posted it anyway.
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Chilling that they can “track Santa” but can’t show us the debris field over the Pacific.
Santa’s motion looks like a porn avatar – I think they had some goofy notion that riding in a sleigh should look something like riding a horse.
Hey, we’re all paying for this so I guess we should enjoy the show.
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Makes no sense, does it ajg.
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Here is actual assembly load information for the reactors:
Number of fuel assemblies
In the reactor
400 unit 1
548 unit 2
548 unit 3
0 unit 4
548 unit 5
764 unit 6
Spent fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
292 unit 1
587 unit 2
514 unit 3
1,331 unit 4
946 unit 5
876 unit 6
New fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
100 unit 1
28 unit 2
52 unit 3 (this indicates unit 3 was fully loaded with MOX)
204 unit 4 (MOX)
48 unit 5
64 unit 6
So unit 3 is now burning openly another 600 fuel assemblies.
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James2, where did you get these figures? Just curious, thanks.
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pg 35
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/11_005_special_report_on_fukushima_daiichi_master_11_08_11-1.pdf
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Nuclear fuel has melted through base of Fukushima plant
“The nuclear fuel in three of the reactors at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant has melted through the base of the pressure vessels and is pooling in the outer containment vessels, according to a report by the Japanese government. ”
09 Jun 2011
“The findings of the report, which has been given to the International Atomic Energy Agency, were revealed by the Yomiuri newspaper, which described a ‘melt-through’ as being ‘far worse than a core meltdown’ and ‘the worst possibility in a nuclear accident.’…”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8565020/Nuclear-fuel-has-melted-through-base-of-Fukushima-plant.html
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A nuclear explosion is like a nuclear bomb. I think it most likely that whatever wasn’t blown into the air was blown deep into the ground, IMHO”
Mag: Curium and plutonium outside Fukushima plant indicate nuclear explosion at Reactor No. 3 — Broken spent nuclear fuel rods may have been scattered
http://enenews.com/mag-curium-and-plutonium-outside-fukushima-plant-sign-of-nuclear-explosion-at-reactor-no-3-broken-spent-nuclear-fuel-rods-may-have-been-scattered-around
“Related Posts
• Japan Expert: It was a nuclear explosion at Reactor No. 3 — I believe fuel rods were blown out of spent fuel pool December 13, 2011
“’I believe there was an explosion inside the SFP, and the fuel rods inside were blown out’“
http://enenews.com/alert-japan-expert-nuclear-explosion-reactor-3-believe-fuel-rods-blown-spent-fuel-pool
• Curium-244 detected for first time outside Fukushima plant – Requires lead shield 20 times thicker than Plutonium-238 June 14, 2011
http://enenews.com/curium-244-detected-first-time-fukushima-plant-requires-lead-shield-20-times-thicker-plutonium-238
• TEPCO claims explosion at No. 4 spent fuel pool may have prevented rods from melting down April 28, 2011
http://enenews.com/tepco-claims-explosion-at-no-4-spent-fuel-pool-may-have-prevented-rods-from-melting-down
• Nuclear physicist suspects No. 3 MOX spent fuel rods have spread out and surrounding area is contaminated with plutonium — “You can never return to this place again” May 9, 2011
http://enenews.com/nuclear-physicist-suspects-3-mox-spent-fuel-rods-spread-surrounding-area-contaminated-plutonium-never-return-place-again
• US nuke industry report: Explosions at Fukushima Units 1, 3, 4 may have caused inventory (nuclear rods) to be lost from spent fuel pools — “Debris” on ground near Unit 3 was extremely radioactive after blast November 11, 2011”
http://enenews…
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http://enenews.com/nuke-industry-report-explosions-fukushima-units-1-3-4-caused-additional-inventory-nuclear-rods-be-lost-spent-fuel-pools
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Yomiuri: Former Japan PM ‘hints’ of recriticality at Fukushima — Found Chlorine-38 in Reactor No. 1 water tested at research institute
December 16th, 2011
http://enenews.com/breaking-former-japan-pm-warns-recriticality-found-chlorine-38-reactor-1-water-tested
“Related Posts
Yomiuri: Meltdowns were advancing while being kept hidden from public for months — Gov’t “very cautious” about saying meltdown December 15, 2011
http://enenews.com/yomiuri-meltdowns-advancing-concrete-facts-hidden-public-months-govt-very-cautious-about-meltdown
Professor at Kyoto University’s nuclear institute changes mind: I’ve started to think fission has happened again… re-criticality April 6, 2011
http://enenews.com/ive-changed-my-mind-ive-started-to-think-fission-has-happened-again-professor-at-kyoto-universitys-nuclear-institute
“Recriticality? Possibility of recriticality?! IAEA report: a meltdown at Fukushima unit 3?” (JAPAN TV) May 19, 2011
http://enenews.com/recriticality-possibility-of-re-criticality-japan-tv
Prime Minister ordered halt to cooling after he was advised seawater could cause a “chain reaction” or “recriticality” May 21, 2011
http://enenews.com/prime-minister-ordered-halt-to-cooling-after-he-was-advised-seawater-could-cause-a-chain-reaction-or-recriticality
“Fukushima in recriticality”? — Iodine-131 detected in 4 locations: Tokyo, Iwate, Nagano, Niigata (CHARTS) September 9, 2011″
http://enenews.com/fukushima-in-recriticality-iodine-131-detected-in-4-locations-tokyo-iwate-nagano-niigata
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[cont.]
４.１.２Nuclear reactor core design
“（１）Criterion
“Taking into account the impact on the reactivity of the fuel and the characteristics associated with changes in fuel composition will be required to meet the following criteria characteristic of the core nucleus.
1. Even if one is completely pulled out with a control rod reactivity worth up to be able to subcritical reactor core.
2. Moderator void coefficient is negative and the Doppler factor.
3. For boric acid water injection system can be less than the critical core of the reactor rated power operation state, and can be maintained.
“（２）Rated by TEPCO
“①Evaluation criteria
“a. Operating cycle
“Is planned core was loaded with MOX fuel in 25 cycles in a cycle following the Unit 3 nuclear power plant Fukushima Daiichi, and MOX fuel since it is expected that the use of three cycles from 25 to 27 cycles of have been evaluated for the core.
“The number of MOX fuel loading body
“As shown in Table 4.1-2 25 cycles first body 32 in the long-term storage, 26 cycle, the second body 32 of the pending inspection bodies imported fuel, to 27 cycles first new fuel MOX body 80 of the number of body replacement is assumed in the equilibrium core has been evaluated as being loaded with the new.
表４．１－２ MOX fuel loading per cycle, the body count
Number of operating cycles*1 for fuel loadingNumber of MOX fuel loading body*2
New fuel
All the fuel in the furnace
Setting a new basis for fuel loading
25 cycles of 32 body 32 body MOX fuel in the spent fuel storage pool in Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3
26 cycles of
32 body
64 body
Body examination pending imported fuel (November 14, 2000), MOX fuel
27 cycles of 80 body
144 bodies
MOX fuel per replacement permit a change in the equilibrium core of the analysis established
＊1：Operation period of each cycle, the rating is adjusted for duration of operation, including about one month to 13 months
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＊1：Concerning the operational period of each cycle, in regard to appraisal has included the adjustment operational period of approximately 1 months in 13 months.
(Babel Fish Translation for comparison)
＊2：The number of bodies of all fuel assemblies in the core is the body 548.
“Talking Point 1:
“When looking over this rough translation and table 4.1-2 in particular, the supposition that Tepco was indeed looking at a short term goal of a 1/3 MOX core loaded in Reactor 3 is reinforced. Taking careful note that there remains to be imported MOX fuel (Nov. 14, 2000) in water cooled storage somewhere pending import inspection.
“Talking Point 2:
“Information with regard to the operational period of each cycle is given (via google translate) in ambiguous terms. We can, however, begin with the idea that every 18 months 1/3 of the MOX fuel loaded has to be replaced because it has lost efficiency. http://dcbureau.org/201103141303/Natural-Resources-News-Service/fission-criticality-in-cooling-ponds-threaten-explosion-at-fukushima.html
“If it was indeed Tepco’s intention to rapidly move Reactor-3 to a 1/3 MOX in 3 operating cycles, then we have to assume that this would have to be accomplished prior to the 1st Fuel Assemblies losing their efficiency. Therefore, I would like to put forth the supposition that Tepco was planning to load the 2nd 32 MOX Fuel Assemblies within a time frame of less than 6 months after the 1st 32 MOX Fuel Assemblies were loaded in the reactor core. Extrapolating, this leaves the conclusion that March 2011 would have initiated the 26th operating cycle and therefore an additional 32 MOX Fuel Assemblies would have on site at Fukushima I – 3.”
http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=1734
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There is a huge difference between fission and flames. In the worst nuclear plant fire in US history it was the electrical system that was on fire, not the nuclear fuel rods. It took minutes to put out the flames once water was used:
Fission Stories #17: Where There’s Smoke, Let’s Just Look for Flames
“…Twenty-nine minutes after the smoke was reported, an auxiliary operator reported flames above the electrical switchgear (i.e., a nuclear plant’s equivalent of a home’s fuse and breaker panel)….
“The worst nuclear plant fire in U.S. history, at Browns Ferry in 1975, burned for over six hours as detailed in Fission Stories #16. The local fire department showed up at Browns Ferry within an hour and recommended using water, but the plant manager refused. Hours later, the fire was finally extinguished within minutes after water was authorized….”
http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/1406233486/fission-stories-17-where-theres-smoke-lets-just
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pp. 35-36, [Common SFP]
“Approximately 60 percent of the spent fuel on site is stored in a separate building in a common spent fuel pool. This pool contained 6,375 fuel assemblies (about 80 percent of pool capacity), but the heat load was very low because the assemblies were stored in their respective units’ SFPs for 19 months or longer before being set in the common pool. Calculations determined that cooling can be lost to this pool for 30 days before it becomes a concern. The common spent fuel pool uses fans and air for cooling, so cooling is maintained if the seawater ultimate heat sink is lost; however, AC power is required to power the fan motors and circulating pumps.
“Dry cask storage is also used for spent fuel. At the time of the event, the station had nine casks containing 408 spent fuel assemblies.
“There are no mixed-oxide fuel assemblies in any of the spent fuel pools or in the dry cask storage facility.”
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/11_005_special_report_on_fukushima_daiichi_master_11_08_11-1.pdf
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This claim that there was no MOX fuel in SFP of #3 has been challenged:
Fukushima Daiichi Intended To Increase MOX Use In Unit 3
September 6th, 2011
[Translate]
Editors note: Documentation TEPCO #1 Documentation TEPCO #2
“Preliminary Analysis of Tepco Documentation 3-2
“Tokyo Electric Power Co., Inc. Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 3
According to the results confirm the soundness of the new MOX fuel in the long-term storage”
July 31, 2010
Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency
“Introduction: Analysis of this document began under the premise that MOX fuel could in no possible terms be viable and intact after spending a period of 10-11 years in the spent fuel pool. Documents show that 32 Mixed Oxide Fuel Assemblies were manufactured and sent to Fukushima-I in 1999. These fuel assemblies were then stored in the Spent Fuel Pool of Reactor 3 pending local government approval. This approval did not come until late summer of 2010, at which point arrangements were made and the fuel assemblies were loaded into Fukushima I-3 in September 2010.
http://archive.greenpeace.org/pressreleases/nuctrans/2001jan28.html
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2000/2000-12-29-11.html
http://www.nuclearconsult.com/docs/consultationNCG_Submission_to_UK_DECC_Plutonium_Consultation_2011.pdf”
“Shift of Focus (as it pertains to analysis of Tepco document): Upon periphery work in translating this document, it soon became evident that Tepco was not just seeking approval to install 32 MOX fuel assemblies into the core of Reactor 3 at Fukushima – I. It appears that they were intentional about taking it a step further and in fact seeking approval for a quick transition to a 1/3 MOX core at the NPP in question.
“Below is an excerpt from pages 5-6 of the translated document for consideration:
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The Fukushima nuclear plant 3 machine “nuclear explosion” was caused! The specialist asserts
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zakzak.co.jp%2Fzakspa%2Fnews%2F20111213%2Fzsp1112130929001-n1.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
What the Spent Fuel Pools Might Mean (It’s Probably Not What You Think)
http://techyum.com/2011/03/what-the-spent-fuel-pools-mean/
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Japanese Engineer: “There Was a Nuclear Explosion in Reactor 3 in Addition to a Hydrogen Explosion”
[Original includes Japanese]
“There are foreign nuclear experts who have said the explosion in Reactor 3 on March 14 at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant was a nuclear explosion. But this Japanese engineer and whistleblower at JNES (Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization) Setsuo Fujiwara says there were two explosions at Reactor 3: a hydrogen explosion, and a nuclear explosion at the Spent Fuel Pool.
“The following is my best-effort translation of the interview Fujiwara did with the SPA magazine, without detailed technical knowledge of nuclear physics, subject to revision.
“From Zakzak (12/13/2011):
“’The explosion in Reactor 3 at Fukushima I Nuke Plant on March 14 was nuclear!’
“So says Mr. Setsuo Fujiwara, who worked at Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization (JNES) until the spring of 2010 as nuclear plant inspector. He is one of those experts who know the nuclear power plant facilities and operations in great details.
“’In the Reactor 3 explosion, there was a flicker of fire, then a vertical, black smoke up the reactor building. A hydrogen explosion does not produce such a black smoke. And the mushroom cloud. It resembles a nuclear explosion.’
“But according to the government and TEPCO, the nuclear reactors are getting more stable, aren’t they?
“’A more important source of radioactive materials dispersed is the Spent Fuel Pools.’
“Fujiwara takes out an aerial photograph of the plant shot from the land side.
“’The upper frames of the reactor building are blown off at the location of the Spent Fuel Pool. I believe there was an explosion inside the SFP, and the fuel rods inside were blown out.’
“If the spent fuel had melted and sank to the bottom of the pool, would that cause a nuclear explosion?
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“’The amount of cooling water decreased in the Reactor 3 SFP prior to the explosion, and hydrogen was generated from the zircaloy-water reaction. The upper part of the cladding melted, and the pellets fell out and piled [at the bottom of the pool?]. Inside the SFP, it was like a nuclear reactor becoming critical, and the water boiled. Then there was a hydrogen explosion above the surface of the water in the SFP, and due to the pressure from the explosion, voids (steam bubbles) in the boiling water were compressed. The void coefficient was negative, so the reactivity of nuclear fission was suddenly heightened, resulting in a nuclear explosion from the prompt criticality. When you see the slow-motion video of Reactor 3′s explosion, you hear three explosive sounds. It is the evidence that the nuclear explosion occurred after the hydrogen explosion.’
“Next, he points to the pipe that connected the exhaust stack and Reactor 3. The big pipe is broken, and the short segment of the pipe is lying on the ground.
“’TEPCO explained that the hydrogen gas generated in Reactor 3 passed through this pipe and entered the reactor building of Reactor 4, causing the hydrogen explosion in Reactor 4 which was in regular maintenance at that time. However, if you look at the photo, the pipe is broken. I think it was a hydrogen explosion in Reactor 4 also, caused by hydrogen generated inside the Spent Fuel Pool. If Reactors 3 and 4′s hydrogen came from the Spent Fuel Pools, is it possible that the explosion of Reactor 1 was also caused by hydrogen from the Spent Fuel Pool? But no one is questioning [TEPCO] hard on these important points in reconstructing the accident.’
“Fujiwara says he tried to run his scenario of the accident with the engineers who are anti-nuclear, but that they withheld comments. ‘Japanese engineers are too reluctant to comment on things outside their specialties’, says Fujiwara, irritated.”
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http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/12/japanese-engineer-there-was-nuclear.html
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So by my count the 1 2 and 3 cores have melted, which is 1496 assemblies
Unit 3 SFP is on fire right now – another 566 assemblies
Unit 4 SFP is shored up, but leaking and leaning – 1534 assemblies – more than melted in first 8 months
1 and 2 pools contain another almost 1,000 assemblies
Unit 5 and 6 contain another 3,000 assemblies
And as I recall the CSFP contains about 6,000
So by my scoreboard – Fukushima is about 15-18% melted down. It is completely out of control, and so multiply whatever radiation we have now by 5-7 times and that’s what we will have when it all melts.
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(this stuff always confuses me)
So when James speaks, I listen. YIKES!
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They intentionally try to confuse you. They do not want the public to know the fuel amounts.
It’s not that difficult. Just remember core +SFP in each building plus common spent fuel pool – plus some dry cask that I didn’t even mention in the post above.
I would assume they’ve moved the dry cask stuff at least.
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Thanks for explaining that james. PS I wouldn’t ASSUME anything of these people at Tepco. But you know that…
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“I would assume they’ve moved the dry cask stuff at least.”
No, James2, that would be a sign of intelligence and reason. Therefore we can conclude the dry casks were stacked up beneath the collapsing fuel pool as bracing.
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This brings a thought to mind.
You know the workers they have brought in have been doing a fantastic job. They have done an immense amount of work in a very dangerous environment. They are to be commended.
Yet they are up against a fire breathing dragon that cannot be slayed.
However the people running this, and telling lies about it and making bad decisions – take away all the credit from the workers.
The people of Japan will come to hate even the ones who’ve given their lives in this cleanup.
And the ones who sit back and cover up the webcams and give false information to the press – they will live. Life is so unfair.
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WE LOVE YOU PLANT WORKERS!
NOW GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!!
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Well stated James, Thanks
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James – Your Surplus Syanptic Aptitude; Greatly Appreciated, Absolutely Needed.
Whoopie – Your Tireless Efforts, Demonstrative Of Pure Heart.
Emergency Tepco Plant Workers, They Will Find Heaven Through A Honorable Death. – They Will Know Peace.
A Death With Honor, Better Than A Life Never Lived.
Logical Deduction – Reasoning One Must Concede Highest Probability Likely Simultaneous Daini Fukushima Site Insolvency, Subsequent Evacuation, Maximum Contamination And Tremendous Suffering Within Japanese Nation State Causing Severe East Asian Instability Allowing China Fulfill Power Vacuum Role.
Localized Contamination To South East Asia, America And Ultimately Globally Is Currently Unimaginable.
Japan Has Earned It’s Fate – The People Ignorant And Petty, Jealous And Superficial – Their Leaders Nothing More Than Empty Husks And Hungry Demons.
The Best Way We May Honor Beautiful Vanishing Japan?
- BY NOT KILLING OURSELVES ALSO.
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James, first part of your comment appeared…so I posted 2nd part in a REPLY which should appear soon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-cold-shutdown_n_1152889.html
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THAT’S WEIRD. 2ND JUST SITS THERE DOING NOTHING.
i’ll keep trying.
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From Yesterday i missed:
Announcement of “Cold Shutdown” of Fukushima Reactors Is Based On a Political Decision, Not Science
If The Reactors Are “Cold”, It May Be Because Most of the Hot Radioactive Fuel Has Leaked Out
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/announcement-of-cold-shutdown-of-fukushima-reactors-is-based-on-a-political-decision-rather-than-science.html
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James…HP will not let the 2nd part of your analysis go!! How can that be? It has posted other posts but there’s something about your 2nd comment above THEY WONT LET GO. IT JUST SITS THERE. HOW COULD THAT BE? WHAT IS IN THAT COMMENT that it just wont let go? CREEPY SHIT.
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I call FOUL HP!! CENSORSHIP!! That’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen there. IT WILL NOT POST THIS:
“So by my count the 1 2 and 3 cores have melted, which is 1496 assemblies
Unit 3 SFP is on fire right now – another 566 assemblies…” ECT
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And Yet, the MOD let ATOMS REPLY THROUGH:
“what do you mean by “burning”? That is a term for “nuclide burn up” via neutron absorbtion and fission.”
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“Unit 3 SFP is on fire right now”
I would guess that’s their sticking point. They’d want proof (not just opinion, no matter how earnest), and proof is hard to come by in Tepco-land.
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Probably, They are desperate not to have the news of the SFP3 collapse get out.
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Did someone post the link to the NHK video where the announcer explains it? It’s pretty clear from that video at least #3 has no cooling whatsoever, and is too hot for anyone to work on it. Did anyone else notice the reference to “the reactor” and “the plant” in this context, and think, as I did, it might have been a generalized statement, and not just in reference to #3? Or am I mis-interpreting that?
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And the fuel assemblies blew sky high already in the March explosion of #3 reactor and SFP.
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Anne despite your repeated tries to change history, the only thing that blew skyhigh on March 14 was the reactor.
The SFP was intact. Read about it in an official report here:
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/11_005_special_report_on_fukushima_daiichi_master_11_08_11-1.pdf
As you well know the SFP collapsed a few weeks ago and spilled its fuel out.
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So now you are advising following TEPCO’s official account and ignoring the expert nuclear engineering analyses. Do you see any contradition in your position? How can there be fire or recriticality that has not been officially declared by TEPCO? And where is the link to the official or non-official collapse of SFP #3?
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Something that describes what it takes to make a good Nuclear Industry employee
http://www.gocomics.com/workingitout/2011/01/21
BBL! Shower time…
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Atoms4Peace1 REPLYING TO MY COMMENT.
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
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You would not know what it takes – dedication, hard work, sacrifice
Ask a half million Americans.
What a f**king tool, NUCLEAR TOOL.
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“Ask a half million Americans.”
Pathetic. Ask all the other living creatures, including the almost 7 billion people who do not feed at the nuclear trough.
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Merry Christmas, Japan.
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And don’t forget the leaning of unit 4 and the ground under complex dropped one foot. No cracks here, move along.
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WSJ Past Haunts Tally of Japan’s Nuclear Crisis
KASHIWA, Japan—The struggle to understand the health consequences of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear meltdown carries an eerie echo of Japan’s past: The nation is still debating who is a victim of the atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II.
On Wednesday, in the latest in a series of high-profile lawsuits, four of five people who were exposed to radiation from the bombings—but weren’t present at the actual blasts—won official recognition as victims. Until recent years, Japan held that only people who experienced the actual blasts at close range were victims, because secondary radiation posed negligible danger.
Emerging from the Primeval Ooze
http://comics.com/the_other_coast/2009-01-04/
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Lies, damned lies, & statistics…. we aren’t sure who originally said it. I’d thought it was Churchill, but Wikipedia says it is not really known – but not found in Disraeli’s writings. Anyway, it’s a great epigram.
Re our mad, mad, mad, mad world… this whole Fukushima/nuclear thing has put the capstone on my cynicism and despair, which had already been ripe & well-advanced.
I’ve long been a student of that tangled web of institutionalized deceit called ‘economics.’ Talk about damned lies & statistics. But my latest condensation of it all into a few words, another ‘a-ha’/ minor epiphany, is that …
…you know what? What we call ‘money’ in the world now is nothing more than electronic-entry ‘money’ &/or worthless paper/metal slugs.
What I realized is that this means that essentially our ‘money’ is IMAGINARY. And it – & its marketplace value – can be & is controlled/’created’ (literally) by a few strokes on computers controlled by very bad men of low character & the morals of a cat in heat.
When they create a whole lot of it, that is what we call ‘inflation’. When they shrink the supply, we get ‘depression.’ Inflation is the invisible theft of the earnings of the world’s working stiffs (increasing amount decreases purchasing power). The money mafiosi – bankers, Fed. Reserve, etc.- manufacture many theories & articles & Ph.D. theses in order to obfuscate these simple facts. (One man who tries to tell the truth about all of this, & risks his life to do so, is Ron Paul. Paul has written books on it; so has Murry Rothbard (the short WHAT HAS GOVERNMENT DONE TO OUR MONEY? & other titles).
If the elites are so evil & so clever that they can conceive of & actually successfully execute such a colossal scam – read LIE, con – & the people of the world are so dumb that they can be taken in, gulled by it (even the Ph.D.s, etc. – either dumb, or on the take, paid off to keep their mouths shut)…. alores, mes amis, then we are…
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Bleep, here’s another way of putting it (you’re not alone in your thinking). From Bill Bonner, in a newsletter from a few days ago:
“…the genius of modern representative government is that it cons the masses into believing that they are insiders too. They are encouraged to vote…and to believe that their vote really matters. Of course, it matters not at all. Generally, the voters have no idea what or whom they are voting for. Often, they get the opposite of what they thought they had voted for anyway.
But the common man likes the humbug that he is running things. And he pays dearly for it. After the insiders brought him into the voting booth, his taxes soared. In America, with taxation without representation, before the war of independence, the average tax rate was as little as 3% or so Now, with representation, government spends about a third of national income. And if you live in a high- tax jurisdiction, such as Baltimore or New York, you will find your state, local and federal tax bill will run to nearly 45% of your income.
In short, the insiders pulled a fast one. They allowed the rubes to feel that they had a solemn responsibility to set the course of government. And while the fellow was dazzled by his own power…they picked his pocket!”
It is a clever system for some, as we are discovering. For the species, and for the planet… not so clever.
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Individuals Practicing Cognitive Dissonance, Living Beguiled In Denial To Absolute Horrific Tyranical Demontic Dictatorship Global Crime Syndicate “-Illuminati-”;
People Who Cannot Accept This Truth, Thus Rising Against It Are Equal In Nemesis To Liberty, Life And Freedom Just The Same To Psychopathic Maniacs Practicing Global Genocide.
We Must No Longer Practice Silence In The Face Of Evil.
Silence Is Treason – Denial Is Death – Complacency Is Criminal
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And when you get governments who do nothing to coordinate fiscal and monetary policy, it makes things that much worse. What a mucked-up financial and monetary system!
Welcome to the world of fiat currency!
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“governments who do nothing to coordinate fiscal and monetary policy”
At first glance that seems off topic in this thread, but it isn’t – far from it.
Most Western governments ARE coordinating these days – that is a huge problem, I suggest, because they are coordinating failure. The overall pattern is that the debts of failed entities are pushed to higher, larger entities until they too fail… from corporation, to small nation state, to large nation state, to continents, to unknown territory.
Humanity has never been in this particular situation before. In the past, such collapse stopped with a single nation state or empire. This time it may be global.
One paradox is that if there is no outside reference, what is the collapse relative to? Maybe “they” will actually get away with printing their way out of this, although that has never worked in all of recorded history (and it has been tried often). The gamble is that everybody, everywhere will go along with the script and behave as though newly printed money, created out of thin air, is valuable.
However, if some key player moves first and asks for debts to be paid, then the scramble begins not to be the last one holding unpayable debt. In such a scramble, someone will pay (probably “us”) and someone will gain (no doubt “them”). Of course, we all define “us” and “them” differently.
As to why this is on topic… there is a very real chance that “they” will say there is no funding available to clean up nuclear messes, to decommission the entire industry, to dismantle all the weapons, to go with “untried technologies” such as wind or solar instead of “clean, reliable nuclear”, and so forth. We’ll recognize the tune when the song begins.
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I posted an article the other day about India who used to hae an independent nuclear advisory board. The legislature just made this advisory board government appointed so that the nuclear industry can bribe the elected officials to approve nuclear power plant construction. Node is there advising them. The world wide mafia is like an evil octopus or metastasizing cancer.
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Nice example, anne. Power consolidates power. We’re on different wavelengths with respect to your closing sentence though. We observe the same phenomena through different lenses, but we’re both certainly on high alert.
I acknowledge that people often do conspire and collude, but for me the (monstrous) real world situation does not require monsters such as a world wide mafia for explanation – it’s just people, doing what people do. The results are no less monstrous.
I find this both reassuring and terrifying. Ordinary people shopping in a mall may have recently murdered total strangers in Libya, for example. Under a spell of “obeying orders” ordinary people do ghastly things, but the people who give the ghastly orders are also just people, behaving like people. Think how many Enenews posters (presumably all “good guys”) have advocated attack, murder, takeover, revenge, and so forth as their solution to the Fukushima crisis – ordinary people can and do advocate anything imaginable with great sincerity.
Others have said this kind of thing better than I, but that’s the essence of why I try not to put a label like world-wide mafia on “them”. We are they. Them is us.
In an evil cabal model, the “bad guys” are always just out of reach – the label empowers them and allows “us” to take comfort in “ain’t it awful” behaviors. In the “we are they” model, we can take remedial action every moment of our lives (as we try to do when we post at Enenews, for instance).
The little joke below is my attempt to show how innocently we get on the road to doing monstrous things. We face turning points everywhere, usually without noticing them. We all have regrets in life – we have all done monstrous things, some more monstrous than others.
Executive to intern: “I hate ‘yes men’. You’re not a ‘yes man’, are you?”
Intern to executive: “No sir!”
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…well and truly SCREWD.
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Good Afternoon, bleep and ALL,
“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.”
Ron Paul.
Saw that today @ Zerohedge.
There IS awakening happening.
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Hey Blades, or-well…GO TAKE YOUR FRUSTRATIONS out on Atoms and the others. Then you’ll know why I love it there at HP! FIGHT!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-cold-shutdown_n_1152889.html
Here it is Christmas Eve, and the MUTHERS ARE STILL THERE POSTING.
Shows you how desperate they are.
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FOOD FIGHT! I’M GETTING ALL KINDS OF “INSULTS” FOR MY CARTOON!!
ABOVE. LOVE IT!!
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You SHOULD take a shower after dispensing the filth that you do. It is disgusting how you demean and insult people who work hard to provide you with the conveniences of modern life.
lol!!
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Dearest Whoopie: Keep on truckin with that bad ass avatar cartoon! If people are responding, you’re getting through. Ice breaking isn’t always, or usually really, a foppish spa treatment experience. You’ve got a good strategy going. You’ve also got the revolutionary attitude. That post you received that you reiterated above is very funny. The same thing when people complain about those that criticize the very existence of all things military. lol Keep on teaching! Right on!
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PALLAS!! GOOD TO SEE YOU!!
I LIVE FOR DAYS LIKE THIS actually. It’s been so QUIET there. “I LOVE THE SMELL OF NAPALM IN THE MORNING”
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” NAPALM IN THE MORNING”! Now you’ve really got my engines starting! Wish I could be a ‘Son of THUNDER’ with you my friend!
The smell of NAPALM,…LOVE IT! I want to hear Robin Williams shouting, “Good Morning Fukushima”, eh?
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You GO GIRL!
“FOOD FIGHT”,….made my day!
Thinkin’ ‘Animal House’ here!
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Hey Jill…I left for a few hours. So good to see you.
Hope your feeling “better”.
HUGS TO YOU!!
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So good to see you too friend! Always!
I took suggestions here,….made myself important enough to get a blood test at least yesterday. I will know Monday what my bleed is doing, or not doing. Better? You betcha,,…..but still show signs that are pretty clearly FUKU,…or FUKU-Fatgue at least. (Must be OD’ing on NB, “Nuclear Baloney”, as your pal CaptD puts it!) What a gem he is, you were right!
I pray the Good Lord BLESSES YOUR SOCKS OFF Whoops! I know He will.
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SO GLAD TO HEAR YOU ARE “TAKING THE BULL BY THE HORNS” afterall…the only person we CAN count on is OURSELVES, right?
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Indeed,…one of my favorite sayings is, “God moves mountains,….but you’d better bring a shovel.” ::-) I’m just a diggin’ and singin’,….(I figure with all this horseshit in life now,…there’s bound to be a pony in here SOMEWHERE!)
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Greetings, StillJill, I, too, am wondering if I’ve been FUKU’d and NUKU’d into having some strange post-radiation exposure symptoms. Me: strange burns and blisters on hands, after exposure to rain water. Getting that even if I wash it off right away. Wondering if this is from gardening. Also made the mistake of shredding leaves w. a Niosh rated mask, but might have had some inhalation. Getting slight nosebleeds, brusing on back of hand a couple of days ago (spontaneous), and periodic swelling of lymph glands under my chin. It’s really starting to bug me. If it continues, I’m going to ask for some more tests. I hope you don’t mind my asking what kinds of testing you had done. From HoTaters in SF Bay Area. (Damn those Ho-Taters, they’ll burn you every time.)
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Yes, or-well, war is very profitable and also helps cull the human herds and keep people in fear and child-like obedience to big daddy govt.
There is awakening, as you point out (and not as much as there will be when the inflation finally hits). But is it too little too late? Do we have ‘critical mass’ awakening? Are we so totally out-gunned/weaponed that we are like the Indians with bows and arrows up against the ‘long knives’/horse soldiers with repeater rifles and cannons?
I fear that the mad,mad,mad,mad Dr. Strangeloves are holding the technological toys/aces, and the masses will be ‘a day late and a dollar short’ – as they usually are.
I just hope I am wrong.
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I also suspect you are correct, bleep, but history is full of surprises at such moments.
One irony is that the bad guys need us. The instant we stop paying them, accepting them, appeasing them, and so forth is the instant they lose their power. If everyone just said no at the same time, they’d be finished – wizard of Oz, emperor’s clothes, and all that.
The herd may turn on a dime some day, one never knows. When and if it does, it may just replace the current clown princes with a new batch – that seems to be humanity’s destiny so far.
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Well said Blades,….about thinning the herd, and other ‘bennys’ they KNOW war brings THEM.
Your glimpse into the future however, made me think of young 12-13 year old shepherd boy King David,…slewing Goliath with but one faith stone,…while all the King’s horses, and all the King’s men huddled in fear.
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‘Don’t know if you’ve gone online and looked at the “latest and greatest” the defense industry has to offer, but it’s pretty chilling. The D-H-SERS have some pretty scarey “tools” as well. Check out the mobile defense vehicles with the body scanners, for example … soon to be deployed in a city near you. It’s not so much the people we have to fear, it’s the legal infrastructure and the weapons they now have in place (besides having oodles of money and power behind them). But you are correct, instilling fear is part of the assault on our collective consciousness …. “Psy-Op.”
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Aigeezer, at this point I don’t think the elites need us. They want to thin the human herds very drastically. They don’t need a big labor force.
They have control of world’s wealth and sources of wealth and don’t need to keep making more bucks now, and automated production, robotic and nano-technology will replace much of the workforce, or so it appears.
But there is ‘many a slip twixt cup and lip’ and ‘it ain’t over ’til it’s over.’
There are some nations that are not necessarily going along with the globalist game plan – those most demonized and attacked basically (esp. those very few with no central banks).
Some of the ‘bigs’ are of unknown allegiance – Russia, China… they could be ‘in on the deal’. We don’t know.
But right now the Rothschild corporate/banking elites are just staging invasion after invasion of nation after nation, as per plans/strategies formulated in think-tanks decades ago… and the world stands by and watches, seemingly powerless to do anything, or afraid of lighting the Armageddon fuse.
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I don’t endorse the herd culling hypothesis. Time will tell.
We seem to be in strong agreement that the nukes are a Bad Thing though, and that’s a Good Thing. I’m struck by the diversity of posters here at Enenews.
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“nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono”
I’m reflecting on the implicit normalization of this job title.
I can imagine: several deputy nuclear disaster ministers, each with a window office in a new building, a large and growing support staff, gilt letterhead and stationery, information officers and media liaison specialists galore, chauffeurs waiting in the designated parking spots, private jets fueled and ready 24/7 at Narita in case of need, high security briefing rooms with plush seats and large screens, subcontracted staff developing “mission, vision, values statements”… you get the picture.
If the plant is in cold shutdown, and if no future disasters are anticipated (from clean, reliable, safe nuclear power), then why the need for NUDISM? (NUclear DISaster Minister)
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It is clearcut. Nuke guys going to have to learn a new skill.
It is clearcut. Mankind’s gonna have to reduce his numbers.
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Re: Japan Earthquake: nuclear plants
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It is clearcut. Mankind’s gonna have to reduce his numbers.
Yeah, I think you are right, as much as the big Govs want a larger taxable base (more people) at some point “sustainable” is going to apply to population, things didn’t seem quite so crazy at 4 Billion people.
It is amazing that, that type of discussion is rarely heard. too much fiat money, and too much humans, chasing increasingly limited supplies in an increasingly polluted environment.
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http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3682785&posted=1#post3682785
Physics forums, some good stuff, quite a bit real technical discussions without too much hype.
the PNP’s all have this….it needs more study, if we just change that one thing, then nuke will be safe. Interesting how even smart people can defend this incredibly dangerous god-like playtool of turning matter into energy to boil water!
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It sounds right out of DR STRANGELOVE doesn’t it… having a ‘nuclear disaster minister.’ Ya gotta laugh. As they say, you can’t make these things up, folks.
Hey, man, we create ‘em and then we create job descriptions to ‘minister unto them’… the disasters, that is. For every disaster, a minister. NOOOOO problemo!
Jill, thanks for the kind comment; regarding the Biblical reference, you are talking to a sceptic here… seems to me when the going gets hot, the water is circling the drain and the Indians circling the wagon train, then we ‘get religion’, haul out the prayer beads, and start thinking in terms of miracles.
I don’t mean to offend any believers, because to each his own, as the founders of the country said. That is just my view.
Reminds me too of a joke a guy of Swedish descent told me once – it was God’s instructions to the Swedes: “Just play dumb ’til I get back.” (I am 1/4 Swedish btw.)
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To ignore ‘thinning the herd ideology’,…one must ignore the population control folks,….the stats about immunizations causing deaths,…..radiation testing on the under-privileged, the Cancer Society touting a 10% cancer cure,…with their three fav’s, cut, burn and poison, etc,…..
Not an easy ‘concept’ to deny.
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To tout a 10% cure rate they will need to treat 10 percent of people who are healthy. Wait, no, they will have to treat 20 percent healthy people, because 50% of them will die of cancer. Isn’t capitalism great?
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Actually, it is, at least for me.
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Ahhh ha,…. “Just play dumb ’til I get back.” That explains a lot Blades,…thanks. Seems many have heard that one,…or follow it at least. “What I don’t know,….I can’t be responsible for,….”
(Sticks head in sand,…..TIGHTLY!)
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OUTNOW @ HP:
“Here’s some red meat for the pro-nukers – New take on impacts of low dose radiation
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-12-impacts-dose.html
Basically, humans evolved at a time of low radiation. We could repair our DNA – even double breaks because of clustering occuring rapidly after exposure to ionizing radiation.
The research was done at DOE’s Berkeley Lab using tome-lapse photography of DNA damage response to radiation. Physics would predict a linear, no threshold response so that even minute amounts would be permanently damaging over time. Mother nature equiped us to deal with minute amounts of radiation. Indeed, uni-cellular organisms will die without background levels of cosmic radiation.
Coats and Bissell published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences – “Evidence for formation of DNA repair centers and dose response nonlinearity in human cells.”
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RED MEAT: PRO NUKES HATE RED MEAT EXCEPT when it comes to their Industry and their DENIAL OF EVERYTHING BAD.
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thanks Whoopie. posting at rad effects forum at rc
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,152.0.html
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thanks chem. I’ll post to HP.
I’m IN AND OUT CUZ OF FOOTBALL!!
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MEANT TO SAY…I’LL TELL OUTNOW YOUR POSTING THAT INFO!
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Anywhere you like, Whoopie. Merry holy days, in case I forget
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Whoopie, can’t open the link. Did this have something to do with the hogwash about “hormesis” ???? Or is this a more recent study?
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http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-12-impacts-dose.html
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Hardly a conclusive study:
New Take on Impacts of Low Dose Radiation
“Previous studies also mostly involved fibroblast cells whereas Costes, Bissell and their colleagues examined epithelial cells, specifically an immortalized human breast cell line known as MCF10A, which has a much higher background of RIF than fibroblasts, even without ionizing irradiation. To compensate for this higher background, Costes developed a mathematical method that enables background to be corrected for on a per- nucleus basis in unirradiated cells. Still the use of a special line of immortalized breast cells is an issue that Costes and his colleagues plan to address.
“’We are now looking at primary breast epithelial cells that have been removed from healthy donors to determine if our results are repeated beyond just a single cell line and under more realistic physiological conditions,’ Costes says. ‘We’d also like to know if our findings hold true for fibroblasts as well as epithelial cells. Also, we’d like to know if double strand break clustering is the result of a random coalescence or if there is an active transport mechanism that moves these double strand breaks towards pre-existing DNA repair centers….”
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2011/12/20/low-dose-radiation/
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Look at all these lies that have been promoted to aid the existence of nuclear energy. If we had any sense, we would have been drastically converting to Thorium plants in the 1980′s and our unwillingness to pursue a “safer” nuke is tantamount to treason of the human species.
The inability to recover against momentum of uranium reactors and their original place as a method of production of weapons of mass destruction is key in coming to the conclusion that nuke cannot be trusted to humans.
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/best-lies-of-nuclear.html
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Unfortunately, it is now too late for such a conversion because our background radiation has already risen much too high.
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Well, if we can’t kill ourselves with nuclear power plants, then let’s try colliding with a nuclear sub:
Nuclear sub narrowly avoids collision with freighter off B.C. coast: report
Victoria Times Colonist December 23, 2011
http://www.vancouversun.com/Nuclear+narrowly+avoids+collision+with+freighter+coast+report/5906241/story.html
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Notable Observation -
Nuclear Aircraft Carriers And Submarines Pose Definitive Threat To Globe – Excluding Their Additionally Deadly Nuclear Weapons Payload!
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The only good thing about this nightmare nuke situation is this website and the people who comment here – a lot of intelligent people with good info. I so appreciate you all, and the fellow who created and maintains this website!
Re the wry comment above about ‘capitalism’ — we have long not been under free-market capitalism, which is actually the best (fairest, best for the masses) economic system. We are now and have long been under a kind of ‘mixed’ system, with ‘capitalism’ always taking the rap for the bad things. All of this corporate welfare (bailouts) and actually the public welfare systems that are bankrupting so many countries (again, look up CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY) are not ‘capitalism.’
I keep coming back to this because it is so extremely important.
Just go to the library, get a book by Murray Rothbard (or check him out on Amazon online), or online look up ‘free market economics,’ Mises Institute, Lew Rockwell’s website, or Rothbard.
Also btw I am not a Ayn Rand fan so don’t confuse her with true free market economics. She had major psychological problems (in addition to being a very disagreeable person and writing truly execrable fiction that became unaccountably popular – but then Valley of the Dolls was a best seller, too…)
The key to understanding so much about our current plight is getting a basic understanding of economics. So much falls into place (and it is actually fascinating – will, as we used to say back in my hippy days, ‘blow your mind’).
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Namaste’
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Check out the Steveo 2012 Telescope Project, not just for Astro-freaks!
Really good Scope, I put up a video collage of moon shots, and some picture of Saturn and Jupiter.
Also, fully $1000 over budget, so any Christmas Kliks are appreciated!!
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/2011/12/perspective-via-telescope.html
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Interesting take from Germany:
http://www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/themenderwoche/1637106/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
~snip~
“Today we know it exactly: It happened 5 times in about 30 years – and that is not five times too much, no, ONCE IS TOO MUCH ALREADY. In Chernobyl in Fukushima to visit so that billions are suddenly perdu, when houses, factories and public facilities are contaminated, if the cesium and all the other radioactive substances sit in every window crack that lurk on every plant and fallen on every square inch of ground are. Such an accident here or in France – unimaginable.
And because something can go wrong, to Harrisburg, Chernobyl and Fukushima experience, also goes wrong, there can be only one conclusion:
SWITCH OFF – the sooner the better..
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Equally Unimaginable In Japan – Yet Already Happening.
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Japanese Domestic Mitigation/Depopulation-
Artificial Synthesis – Intentional amalgamation, capitalization, facilitation and utilization; engineering components within controlled environment achieving desired result. Consequence of consciousness demands action, current corporal condition within reality – resultant quotient of limiting factors, controlled instigation coupled alongside apathetic complacency. Captive state sustained suppression utilizing simultaneous five phase methodology -
* Desanitize – propagate infectious bacteriological, viral, fungal, radiological, physical, social, psychological and emotional pathogens using econometric vector insertion methods.
* Desensitize – Acclimate species individually and culturally using colloquial methods incrementally increasing progression. After media manipulated acquiescence acceptance gradually introduce domestic conceptualization – familiarizing through consumption; forced fictionalization.
* Dehumanize – Gradually denigrate ultimately isolating thus extracting natural behavioral patterns and organic tendencies. Weaponize traditional survival motives establishing through synthetic perception artificial reality basis reversing typical roles/values excluding social, cultural, finally, personal equanimity using subliminal techniques, subtle manipulations, over perversions, idealistic aggrandizement, technological immersion and normal human infirmity to achieve total manipulation and bastardization.
* Demineralize – Weaponizing food, air water full intake control induce metabolic starvation achieving mitochondrial manipulation. Gradual declination nutritional intake allowing increased mental encapsulation. Particular advancement through social conditioning environmental control personal arbitration.
* Demoralize – Final achievement specimen capitulation self defeatist realization denoting complete cognitive impairment and total spiritual…
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Check out the Carrington solar flare/event/effect. With this kind of threat a hand they continue down this path of self destruction. There are still over 400 nuclear power plants in the world, is this how we will meet our common demise?
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/
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We Have Been Sleeping…
Reality Has Become Gargantuan During This Slumber…
Waking Up To This Reality, It Seems There Is Much Work To Do…
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Indeed, I have reported on this. If we get a Carrington event (massive solar storm), We could have some power grids down for years. And most all of the nuclear plants would go into meltdown.
That would be the end of the human race as we know it.
More here: The Best Lies of Nuclear, ps stop by and klik some adz too.
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/best-lies-of-nuclear.html
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Link in your link:
A Super Solar Flare
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/
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Truth and justice, Nuclear Free BILL OF RIGHTS
1)Elimination of all the old plants, in the next 3 years.
2)No new permits issued AND I do mean anywhere in the world.
3)Strategic shutdown of all later model plants by 2017.
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I like that, stock.
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Explosive Article – Logical Deductions
- Are We Already Extinct? Thank God We Are Not!
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