Top Official: Over 60 million Japanese irradiated by Fukushima — Nuclear Expert: 50,000 sq. miles of Japan highly contaminated… Many millions need to be evacuated… Gov’t has decided to sacrifice them, it’s a serious crime — TV: More than 70% of country contaminated by radiation (VIDEOS)

Published: April 12th, 2016 at 3:31 pm ET


Interview with nuclear engineer Hiroaki Koide (translation by Prof. Robert Stolz, transcription by Akiko Anson), published Mar 8, 2016 (emphasis added): [Radioactive] material has been dispersed, contaminating Tohoku, Kanto [Tokyo area], and western Japan… [The law says] that absolutely nothing may be removed from a radioactive management area in which the levels exceed 40,000 Becquerels per square meter… [H]ow much area has been contaminated beyond 40,000 Bq/m2… that answer is 140,000 km^2 [54,054 square miles]… Indeed, while centered on Fukushima, parts of Chiba and Tokyo have also been contaminated. The number of people living in what must be called a radiation-controlled area is in the millions, and could exceed ten million… I believe the government has the responsibility to evacuate these entire communities… the government decided to leave them exposed to the real danger of radiation. In my view, Fukushima should be declared inhabitable… but if that were to be done, it would likely bankrupt the countryThey’ve decided to sacrifice people… In my view, this is a serious crime committed by Japan’s ruling elite… [F]undamentally, people must not be forced to live in contaminated areas… First must come complete evacuation… [W]hen it comes to radiation… “removal of contaminants” is impossible… This stuff contaminates everything.

Naoto Kan, former Prime Minister of Japan, Apr 11, 2016 (at 2:15 in): The molten material broke through the pressure vessel and accumulated low down in the containment. Now what would have happened if this molten material had escaped from the containment?… A radius of 250 kilometers — which includes the city of Tokyo — anyone living in this area, if you count them up it comes to 50 million or 40% of the Japanese population, and they would all have had to be evacuated. As we know from Chernobyl, not just a couple of weeks, but 30 years or 40 years — it would have virtually meant the end of Japan. [Note: Many nuclear experts believe the molten fuel did in fact escape from the containment] Half the population was subject to radiation [Japan Population: 127 million]. That’s something that could just be imagined, for instance the event of losing a major war.

Arirang (Gov’t-funded Korean TV network), ‘Fukushima and Its Aftermath’, Mar 16, 2016 (at 6:45 in) — Prof. Kim Ik-Jung, Medical College at Dongguk Univ.: “When you look at the contamination map, about 70% of Japan is contaminated by radiation. That means that 70% of Japan’s agricultural and marine products are contaminated.”… According to PNAS, one of the five major scientific journals, over 70% of the land in Japan is contaminated by radiation.

Watch: Prime Minister Kan | Arirang’s Fukushima Special

Published: April 12th, 2016 at 3:31 pm ET


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  • Nick

    This is a waste of money.

    Cancer needs to be prevented. There never will be a cure, satisfactory treatment, ever.

    When you understand WHY an organism goes cancerous, you'll get my drift.

    The efforts to cure cancer are useless unless triggers and causes are confronted.

    But don't expect most folks to "get that."

    • My comment never was posted, the best we got is a junk site, sorry admin, but you need some housecleaning

      • tinfoilhatbrian tinfoilhatbrian

        Is his site run by one person? Whoever the person or persons who came up with this site is a hero and a saint as far as I am concerned! Yeah, the comment section could use attention. If I ask a question or comment it's easy to miss or not find responses. Having more than one admin 24-7 365 to give people new looking for information hard to come by that might have limited internet access that may not get a response or have some shill tell them don't worry about it! Thanks to admin and everybody else here that contribute so much!

        • tinfoilhatbrian tinfoilhatbrian

          And if all the comments being made here were all in the same spot with maybe a header stating what article is referenced that way a person would be more likely to get a response especially if they are looking at an older article!

  • Nick

    "According to the investigation mentioned above, the following are the ten worst charities in America and the percentage of money that is donated to those organizations that actually goes to help people…

    1. Kids Wish Network (2.5%)
    2. Cancer Fund of America (0.9%)
    3. Children’s Wish Foundation International (10.8%)
    4. American Breast Cancer Foundation (5.3%)
    5. Firefighters Charitable Foundation (8.4%)
    6. Breast Cancer Relief Foundation (2.2%)
    7. International Union of Police Associations (0.5%)
    8. National Veterans Service Fund (7.8%)
    9. American Association of State Troopers (8.6%)
    10. Children’s Cancer Fund of America (5.3%)

  • Nick

    "Japan Economic Outlook
    April 5, 2016

    The most recent data corroborate that the Japanese economy is far from achieving stable growth as private consumption remains weak and subdued global demand is weighing on imports. In Q4, GDP fell 1.1% over the previous quarter in seasonally adjusted annualized terms (SAAR), which was a tad above the 1.4% drop previously reported. The economic weaknesses observed in 2015 are far from abating and have likely carried into this year. In February, consumer sentiment continued its downward trend and exports contracted for the fifth consecutive month. Moreover, the recent appreciation of the yen promises to further dampen the all-important external sector. "

    Japan is toast.

    No shilling or shellacking of the truth will change that reality.

    Awol nuclear reactor cores will do that to an economy.

    Them's the facts.

    • mrutopian mrutopian

      Nick, capitalism is a ponzi scheme. Without population growth to fuel consumer demand, raise realestate prices and bust unions, it dies. Immigrants legal and illegal are let into Europe and America to fuel the ponzi scheme. The white race reached zero population growth 25 years ago. The Japanese are too racist to let in immigrants. The earth can not sustain exponential population growth. If billions are not to die, we must install a max. income on people of about 15x the min. wage. That is limited capitalism with a flat tax. Then we need socialized medicine and poor farms for the poor. That is what Japan needs and all other countries also, to back down from cannibalism.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      You see things clearly and actually all these economic numbers are all false and off by a factor 20 points and that is simply due to the rampant inflation occurring behind the scenes and now experienced by all.

      Inflation is a form of controlled hidden theft by those that control the game board from the top down and one reason why we now have 62 people owning more than 3.8 billion humans on this planet.

      It is all a Ponzi Scheme controlled by those that write and enforce your laws..always follow the money.

  • Nick

    "Nuclear power plants do not have the capability to safely and reliably produce energy …"

    (yup I cut and pasted….but I maintain that what you read above IS the truth and nothing but the truth so help us all!)

  • Nick

    ?: Nick, why are you so down on nuclear energy? Don't ya know that we need it in the energy matrix to combat Climate Change?

    Nick: All nuclear is for is for profits, death, and destruction.
    The only useful purpose might be for space probes.

    ?: But, what about irradiated foods? Nuclear medicine? Surely you see some benefit?

    Nick: The entire nuclear era is one great big mistake. Atoms for Peace my ass, etc.

    ?: Nick, get real. What about the need for electricity going forward? Surely you see the need for nuclear energy?

    Nick: At what cost? The death of us all? No thanks.

  • Nick

    I have no illusions that humans will forgo nuclear anything.

    But I will not stand by while vast areas of the planet become wastelands.

    We have no business using depleted uranium in munitions, none.

    Talk about GMI….

    …look at where the USA has bombed.

    Got it?

  • Nick

    Don't, for a minute doubt the power of waging peace.

    All of us can hate.

    We all can kill.

    But it is a nano-few who wage peace.

    They are the true warriors. For their battles are for us all.

  • Nick

    These are not..


    Live beyond this shit.

    Become a registered pedestrian.

    Nothing else matters.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Nuclear fallout has helped our immune system phagocytes to wage peace on pathogens.

    Tis nobler to wage peace even at the cost of all life on earth, then to lift a finger against a maniac. Thus the earth was lost

    • Silverlok Silverlok

      After WWII pathogens were systematically exposed to radiation in labs to create rapid die-offs , generation cycling and mutations in those subject populations.

      This process created the super bio-weapons that the U.S. ( and others ) generated and stored.

      There are over one trillion beneficial symbiotic bacterial cells on the surface of human skin. They exist there to help us fight against bacterial and other pathogens that would use us as fuel for their own growth ( the way cancer does; mindlessly killing it's own host in the process). In essence they are the first order interface between human beings and the physical world.

      Millions and millions of human being's pathological and bacteriological symbiotic safety interfaces are now being daily exposed, in the open environment, to the same type of germ warfare experimentation accelerations that created super bio-weapons.

      A trillion bacterial cells per person,one million people ( to be VERY VERY conservative )that's 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances ( at least ) constantly , every minute every day , for the foreseeable future for a toxic mutation to occur in our symbiotic relations.
      it's only a matter of time now.

      • DUDe DUD

        The amount of possible setups we created to extinct ourself are Legion..many deliberatly..but i think most are not even realised yet due our litle understanding how life and the Universe relate to eachother..

        Following the golden calf..and violently forcing others to do the same..brought us here..

        • Angela_R

          Yes DUD, Many!

          Following the golden calf….

          Actually recently, Time Is Short gave a couple of links re a proposal for replica façades of the entrance to the antiquated Temple of Baal, to be positioned in Times Square, New York and Trafalgar Square, London. Subsequently, I read that they were not going ahead with its erection in Times Square. However I also came across a report that they were anticipating 1000 temples to Baal, these to be scattered throughout the world.

          Surely not an attempt to personify EVIL.

          • DUDe DUD

            That's insane..and at the same time sacrifying us..what a coincidence..

            • Speaking of the insanity of this industry, I just want to jump in and urge anyone living near a nuclear power plant to check out "nuclear hotseat episode 250". Libbe interviews Donna Gilmore from about the storage of the waste at SONGS. They title the show "Chernobyl in a can". The courts have ruled donnas opinions to be valid due to her extensive research into the storage of waste. Lots of great info in this one. And it will even mAke you chuckle at the end. Kudos to both of them for this very informative show. You'll have to search it cAuse I couldn't figure out how to copy the link on this phone.

            • Angela_R

              Yes DUD "That's insane.

              and at the same time sacrifying us..what a coincidence"

              perhaps there are those that subscribe to sacrifices to BAAL.

              "The Temple was originally dedicated to the Mesopotamian god Ba’al, whose principal
              forms of worship were burning babies alive and bisexual orgies. Symbolizing a major
              religion that challenged Judaism, Ba’al was mentioned in the Bible over 90 times,
              becoming the archetype of worshipping evil."

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                "The Temple of Bel (Arabic: معبد بل‎), also known as the Temple of Baal, was an ancient temple located in Palmyra, Syria. The temple, consecrated to the Mesopotamian god Bel, worshipped at Palmyra in triad with the lunar god Aglibol and the sun god Yarhibol, formed the center of religious life in Palmyra and was dedicated in 32 AD.[1][

                On August 31, 2015 the United Nations confirmed the temple's destruction after reviewing satellite imagery, "We can confirm destruction of the main building of the Temple of Bel as well as a row of columns in its immediate vicinity" reported by the United Nations Institute for Training and Research (UNITAR).[18][4] The BBC issued a video report showing the satellite images and the destruction described by Einar Bjorgo, manager of UN Satellite Imaging (UNOSAT UNITAR).[19]

                The main entrance arch survived the destruction of the temple. The Institute for Digital Archaeology proposed that replicas of this arch be installed in Trafalgar Square, London and Times Square, New York City.[20] It was later decided that instead of the temple's main entrance, the replica would be of part of the Monumental Arch.[21]"

                Silly homage to that which was destroyed.
                And if a person believes the CIA did it.
                The US and allies did.

                But just in case it really has the 'powers' that were erroneously given it to begin with..( along with all the other worthless pilfered from other cultures, a habit they picked up from the false Freemasons, time and…

  • Favor to ask:
    I am on last few days of solar work, and SLAMMED insane busy.

    But had this thought in the shower…..

    The released inventory from Fukushima should be compared to the released inventory at the time of release to all of the open air bomb tests, AND all the admitted ocean dumping.

    SIMPLE ENOUGH…..and would be very interesting.

    Any takers to tally that up? Code, Hotaters, PT, bo, K40????

    Here is Fuku inventory

    Here are some ocean dumping reports

  • If you wish to joust some nuke arsehats, go here

    Solar is a good return on investment the customer makes about 100 times what I make.

    How is that ratio for nuclear…..

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

    Fukushima Disaster Costs Taxpayers $100 Billion So Far
    March 7th, 2016 |

    • Sol Man

      There is no way that a number can be put on all of the disease, suffering, and death that this event has caused. Don't forget the loss of millions of acres of production of farm/range land.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

    Over 60 million Japanese irradiated by Fukushima

  • Angela R, did they inject you for the CT?

  • The Snowden house has a bunch of stuff in front of it for bulky storage pickup, just saying.

  • Aloha good peoples, and PT too (just kidding PT we like you when you are not wallpapering)

    Why not just google "Fission products of a nuclear bomb"

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    Hi all, I wish I could get out here and do more than I've been able to since everything kinda went down wrong for me and my surviving family and the cellphone became the only means of perusal. Even when I can see the tiny screen I still have trouble typing with this thing. I should be back in the saddle and on solid ground again in a couple more months and I apologize for any replies to my posts by my friends that I missed in the meantime. It still feels like the world is on the brink of destruction as much as ever and I've been seeing a lot more death and disease during the last five years than the last fifty I've been alive and while I'm not fool enough to blame it all on Fukushima, I sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to attribute a great deal of the current status of the overall poor general health and shortened life expectancy of humankind as well as the animal kingdom to 311/Fukushima and the rest of the crumbling, faulty, haphazard infrastructure of the corrupt,mismanaged nuclear establishment for the bulk of the continuous stream of horrors people & all living things must deal with in the struggle to live long,healthy, hopefully content, if not happy lives. I've been standing on the ledge for far too long already and it brings me no comfort seeing all of the company I have on either side of me and from where I'm standing peering over the edge the distance to the big splat upon hitting bottom isn't as far as it seemed on March 10,2011:-(
    Be well & take care all.

  • Code if you have beer, you can do a pier review on things….it helps.

  • Code, PT would drive me crazy if I let her, are you OK40 with that?

    stock out, got solar to do.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Im A-OK-40 with PJ. Everyone should have their fun and if PJ gets kicks out of it, Im happy to be the whipping boy. Actually, it seems even my wildest flights of guestimation turn out correct…havent been wrong once. I can imagine she feels the same, so were both happy Quixotes! Ive come to realize its not a nuthouse here after all…its a fools paradise!

  • penny penny

    RadChick is back! Update on Sick Celebrities:

    Celebrities whose names I don't even know. Here's one worth celebrating (Dana):

    RadChick, if you read this thread, you are very much appreciated.

  • penny penny

    Busby claims that Fukushima releases are smaller than all bomb testing. On that count (pun intended), I disagree with him. Watch this, from 12:00 on:

    Also, as was stated by Arnie Gundersen, on this very site, "We've contaminated the biggest source of water on the planet[…] the plant continues to hemorrhage." It will never stop; it's a breeder reactor without any containment. Without ANY containment; an open-air breeder reactor. Bombs fission once, then stop. Breeder reactors are the poison gift that keeps on giving (fun fact: gift is the Norwegian word for poison).

  • penny penny

    OT health tip: ditch the acetaminophen, for the sake of your liver, your cognitive abilities, and your emotional integrity.

  • irhologram

    You know those hundreds of tons of Fukushima contaminated water…too toxic to release … or is it 1000s of tons by now?… Yeah, I'd guess thousands of tons… Maybe someone could figure exactly how much has been collected…

    You guessed it. They're going to set it free. Because…they say…they have to. Besides…they say that if concentrated it would only be a couple of teacups worth… It seems they actually CAN clean tritiated water (which I didnt know), but hey…this much tritiated water? Meh. Too expensive.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Funny how people can handle the concept of post-nuclear, post apocalyptic fun and games in their fun and games video games.

    Category:Post-apocalyptic video games

    But here we are with the real deal.
    Fantasy is more fun, therefore they absent at the 'adult table'.

    (Not funny ..more like ..enduringly perplexing)

  • harv33021

    KESHE made a major announcement today….How To Clean Radiation From The Body Of Man. Start at 20:00 This man has his shit together and I suggest everyone else get theirs together.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Gold, nanogold. "SCIENCE WATCH; Gold as Radiation Shield
      Published: September 6, 1988"
      " GOLD, one of the heaviest chemical elements, is the basis of a new lightweight plastic foam under development as a radiation shield.
      Scientists at Texas A&M University have found a way to intersperse gold atoms with other atoms in the long molecular chains that make up polymers. By bubbling gas through the gold polymer, it can be expanded into a light foam that reportedly shows great promise as a shielding agent against neutrons and other types of radiation. "

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Sounds great, but we have a problem..when the next Nuclear Accident happens..we collect the data.

    Do not have another Nuclear Accident..simple really..shut the technology down now.

    These results will/can be easily checked and verified, however I see no solution for the last 70 years of folly or anyway to bring back the dead or remedy the billions that will die from this Nuclear technology folly in the near future.

    Nano gold sounds very expensive..few will have the ability to obtain it under current silly profit motives driven by inherent human greed stolen by force via taxation policies/enslavement practices to solve the problems this technology has created.

    Love this guy..but I am a realist! 🙂

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      A 600 pound guy lives on the bottom floor of a fancy apartment building and he can barely walk. His choice of the bottom floor is obvious, since he has limited mobility. He however every Friday night orders 10 Family size pizzas and eats them in one sitting. His toilet becomes clogged every Saturday morning due to those 10 all meat pizzas. He discovers that it is easier for him to simply walk out the front door at 5AM before the Door Porter shows up and take his movements right out side the front door entrance. Heck he has no more clogged toilets to cleanup and finds himself relieved and satisfied as he awaits for the next Friday night feeding frenzy to arrive.

      This goes on for 2 months and the Door Porter and management are puzzled and blame it on the homeless crowd that must be lingering in the area and they try to find all kinds of solutions from putting barriers up to covering the ground with paper for easy cleanup, but none of the solutions work and the pile just moves from place to place each Saturday morning around the font door.

      Finally one of the people notices that in one of the piles a piece of pepperoni and some sausage is visible in the smelly disgusting feces. A moment of sanity as they track down all the near by Pizza parlors investigating who is giving away free Pizza. Soon they discover that a delivery of 10 Pizzas are delivered to the 600 pound man every Friday night and find out his toilet is clogged.

      Do you fix the toilet or stop the Pizzas?

  • jackassrig is reporting a major earthquake in Japan 6.6

  • harv33021

    Keshe technology has turned the contamination at the Tepco plant into trillions of dollars of nano gold….

    start at 20 minutes

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

    U.S. Radioactive Weapons Fueling Birth Defects in Iraq

    Investigative journalist Barbara Koeppel examines how the U.S. is getting away with using radioactive weapons that are causing spikes in birth defects and cancer in both Iraqi citizens and U.S. veterans

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

      Clinton lies, the planet dies
      Mar 25, 2016

      [Photo caption] “War criminals together: Henry Kissinger and Hillary Clinton
      “illary Clinton, neocon war monger and loyal friend of the big banks and the ruling elite, shares the goals and greed for oil of Wall Street and the Pentagon. Her hawkish policies are driven by the quest for oil of the capitalists. The blood and deaths of countless innocent civilians are not her concern. The environmental contamination of whole countries and regions are never factored in to the heinous war plans by Clinton and her cronies in the State Department and the Pentagon.
      “Among her many crimes, she supported the war in Iraq and military aggression for regime change, with countless assaults on countries including Libya, Syria and beyond.
      “While climate change threatens the planet, and remains a major issue with voters across the country, TV debate moderators of the election cycle — from the corporate media — continue to completely ignore the issue, even though the differences between the candidates are of great importance to the voters.
      “In spite of Hillary Clinton’s brash talk and shrill demagogy about “stopping global warming” and “countering climate change,” a close look at her record reveals that her loyalty is to big oil profits and global domination, all of which mean catastrophic costs to the planet.
      “While supporting tepid proposals from the Obama administration to regulate emissions, regulate power plants, and other pollutants,…

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

        , Clinton in reality is a major promoter of U.S. exporting of fracking technologies all over the globe. According to Mother Jones magazine (09/2014), “Under her [Clinton’s] leadership, the State Department worked closely with energy companies to spread fracking around the globe.”
        “Small wonder when you consider that the Clinton Foundation takes in millions of dollars from Big Oil and ExxonMobil, plus millions from the reactionary government of Saudi Arabia, and other big oil cartels.
        “While speaking in broad terms about how concerned she is about global warming, her baseline proposals, as is true around most of her positions, are empty and without any teeth. Her problem with free tuition for students, universal free quality healthcare, reforming the rigged electoral system, etc.. is that it’s too daunting, not realistic, too expensive, and so on. She states that taking on big oil would be “a difficult sell” even though a large majority of people in the United States support limiting emissions and other programs.
        “In 2006 Clinton went on record, siding with the Republicans, by voting in favor of a bill opening new Gulf coast areas to offshore drilling.
        “To this day, when asked about her position on Keytone XL, Clinton refuses to give an answer. “You won’t get me to talk about Keystone because I have steadily made clear that I’m not going to express an opinion.” Really? (NY Daily News)
        “The terrible legacy of the U.S. genocidal war against Iraq, which she voted for,…

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

        My comments:

        They have socialism in the UK, but the Queen iand London bankers are pro Nuke, pro BP oil, and the bankers were never successfully challenged when found guilty of scandalous interest rate fixing. The Queen’s uranium mines and greed rule supreme in the UK and the former Commonwealth. BP has destroyed the Gulf of Mexico and other places in the US.

        They have socialism in France, and they have more nuclear power plants per capita than any other country. Areva is constantly responsible for catastrophes at WIPP and Savannah River.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          This has nothing to do with the ideology present and instead has to do with the rulers that control their populations.. with the use of force.

          It is not the is the use of force.. via the laws.. that are written and enforced.

  • or-well

    map Japan Kyushu
    scroll in/out mouse wheel or clicks
    Satsumasendai downscreen, Genkai up & left.
    Intensity (Jp scale)- Mashiki town 7, Satsumasendai 4, Genkai 2
    NPPs reporting no irregularities.

  • Nick

    Explain to me again why a seismically active nation went whole hog for nuclear power?

    Was it really because they shipped bomb making goodies to the US?


  • Nick

    Shhhh. Nick. You know no one is supposed to know that little detail.

  • Nick

    WHO would have thunk it?

    Not THE WHO…

    "28 FEBRUARY 2013 | GENEVA – A comprehensive assessment by international experts on the health risks associated with the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant (NPP) disaster in Japan has concluded that, for the general population inside and outside of Japan, the predicted risks are low and no observable increases in cancer rates above baseline rates are anticipated."

    No observable increases in cancer rates…..


  • penny penny

    Today's livestream from Dana. Gives the lie to all the 'official' numbers. ELE alert. Put on the workboots and grab the spouse and kids, time to haul ass!

  • Biffwise

    Riddle Me This???…
    If the 9.0 earthquake that created a tsunami and nuclear meltdown had no major ill affects outside of said Tsunami and nuclear meltdown…how did a 6.x create such damage today? buildings destroyed, fires…etc.
    I still wonder it they will keep up the idea that an earthquake caused that meltdown…or will the own up to the idea that the nuclear meltdown cause the earthquake and the subsequent tsunami.
    It boggles the mind that this earthquake series today caused so much damage and yet the effects of the 9.0 were minimal at best…save for the destructive nature of the Tsunami.

  • penny penny

    Sadly, no matter what the estimates are that people throw out about total Bq for each type of isotope from Fuku, they remain estimates. Each must decide for himself whom to trust, hopefully guided by common sense. Nonetheless, the visual evidence proves that we are looking at a catastrophe. We can believe what we will, but it won't bring the whales back to Maui.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      penny, the point that seems unimportant but over-mentioned is that it doesnt matter how many or how few becquerels you find if you dont know their toxicity.

      What if it was officially determined by experts that Fukushima produced only 1000 Hiroshima bombs of fallout instead of 10,000.

      Would you conclude;

      A) the official experts are wrong or lying
      B) Fukushima is not as bad as we thought
      C) the release estimate is accurate but the toxicity per becquerel is not known or
      D) the extra killing power came from man made k-40?

      IF a fish has died from radiation, the fewer becquerels you find, the more toxic they must have been. Epidemiology is more important than release estimates then, right? The problem is this; nuclear, science and media deny nuclear was the cause. How do you convince the public, or the scientists for that matter, that their toxicity estimates are in error? Call them liars and denialists and have them watch Dunford? Im asking you

      • penny penny

        I would point them to all those low-level toxicity studies that have been bandied about already, Code. I would also, always, question the official (gov't) sources. And follow the evidence, as presented to my own eyes. Also, I did computer modeling in grad school, and know first-hand how fallible it is.

        There is enough proof that nuclear is deadly, that it should be shut down, without needing to re-prove anything. Those who deny the science (the nuclear shills) are lying, period. Do I know how to make them change their minds about being liars? No. I say the debate needs to be taken from the standpoint that the science is determined, and that Sternglass and Hida and their ilk are the go-to experts.

        Maybe I would be happier, or less 'stuck', if I could put aside that the comparisons to Chernobyl are so low… but I can't. But that's just me; others have to make their own choices. To me, that would be an unforgivable betrayal of all the whales, and birds, and everything else, that have died. The missing million people in Japan. The 'Zika' victims.

        "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do." – William Blake

        • penny penny

          By the way, that would be the same truth that I'm trying to defend. Because, like Code, I fully believe that man-made is orders of magnitude more toxic than natural, and that the WHOI and ICRP lies are untenable. Code worked it all out here, I'm content to rely on epidemiological studies. But it's the same endpoint: shut down nuclear. I respect other people's means of going about doing that, but have to follow my own path. Stubborn as a mule, perhaps, but fighting the good fight at least. (cue ninja emoji)

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Penny, got any one liners though? Its the rhetoric that does it. How about….

            The ocean is radioactive by didnt hurt anything until man went fission…

            Heres a winner; 'Primordial radiation is man made' That should be an immediate hit around here

      • And what if it was found to be MANY orders of magnitude more than 10,000?

        And what if they found those multiple MELTED OUT underground corium 100 TON lava blobs, still fissioning away and connected directly to the Pacific, for the last five years?

        What then?

        What then?

      • CODE; "The problem is this; nuclear, science and media deny nuclear was the cause."

        Are you agreeing with them Code? It sounds like you are starting to take their side on this, by not providing anything to show how wrong they are, but stating this 'denial' position over and over again. Saying it over and over tends to make people get 'programmed' to agree.

        Denial is not a river in Egypt.

        Why are you so focused on this position, that nothing bad happened at Fukushima? Just curious

        Are the denialists convincing you?

        Have you come to a new conclusion, that FUKU is not as bad as it seems?

        • penny penny

          Denial is not a river in Egypt, but Fuku is a big middle finger, flipped at the world. 😉

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Oh man…PJ and DOC are on to me…just like they have been saying all along. Im a pro nuke hormesis pushing shill. Go ahead and quote that PJ, I know you will! Those two are BRILLIANT! Our best and brightest…

          As I type this, Im popping another can of yellow cake mixed with C02 and spritzing it around screaming HORMESIS HORMSIS in mad laughter…OOOF! some went up my nose! But IM not worried its GOOD for you. Later, a cesium-137 ENEMA! Its an ANTHELMINTIC!

          That will get me in good shape to go post more pro nuclear stuff on ENEnews! Cant wait

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            I didn't even make any comments to you! Do you have to keep playing the victim and creating whipping boys? Why can't you comment without putting your whipping boys down?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              I could face court! See? I AM a victim!

              Just because Im pro hormesis pro nuke and lump PJ and Doc together on a linear no threshold model doesnt mean Im not open minded!

              That both Doc and PJ have the superior intelligence, or whatever it is, to dismiss Busby got me to thinking;

              I guess they ARE correct about background being far more dangerous than I thought it was. On that basis, I have changed my position; I now believe that man made primordial radiation is doing most of the ocean damage! Thats right, it took some time, but after the 4th reading of AgreenRoad articles on K-40, I finally came around. Man made background radiation dose much more harm than even nuclear meltdowns, simply because there is so much more of it, and now we know its true danger; Half as bad as Cesium!

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                A complete lie: "I guess they ARE correct about background being far more dangerous than I thought it was….Man made background radiation dose much more harm than even nuclear meltdowns, simply because there is so much more of it, and now we know its true danger".

                Just stick to your own ideas and stop creating straw arguments and falsely maligning other posters. No one on this blog has ever said that nuclear man made radiation isn't billions of times more lethal than background radiation.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  “A direct effect of radioactive cesium on the heart is due to its selective accumulation in the myocardial cells compared to other organs and tissues (Fig. 9 &10). Perhaps it is due to the intensive functioning of the Na+/K+ pump: since Cs-137 is similar to potassium, it is absorbed by cardiomyocytes fairly easily. This process involves the structures of cellular membranes, and this radionuclide interacts with them easily.15 This is accompanied by suppression of a very essential enzyme such as creatine phosphokinase, which is involved in the cellular energetic metabolism: accumulation, transport, and utilization of high energy phosphates. Creatine phosphokinase (CPK) catalyzes the reversible phosphorylation reaction which involves transfer of a phosphate group from adenosine triphosphate (ATP) to creatine and from phosphocreatine to adenosine diphosphate (ADP). 1

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    “…Highly-radioactive fission products such as Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 emit 10 to 20 million times more radiation per unit volume than does Potassium-40. So which one of these would you rather have in your bananas?…

                    “Cesium-137 is 10 million times more radioactive than Potassium-40.

                    “2 grams of cesium-137 has more radioactivity than 2 tons of potassium-40

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PJ, you need to add something to the specific activity point. This is why; They dont measure in weight or volume…they measure in radioactivity. So when you ask what would you rather have, you have to qualify it; one speck of C-137 or 10 million times that of the (toxic, as you have pointed out hundreds of times) K-40

                      So specific activity is only part of the reason why background radiation does not cause dead zones. Consider adding chitin…or human bio-concentrators. Actually, thats a good one to research; What in our biology could concentrate cesium…why isnt it evenly dispersed as a salt in the cells of your muscles for example?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      thanks penny…missing is the mechanism. Is cesium concentrated into hot spots or something, or is it just practically infinitely more toxic than the radiation normally found in the body? What do you suspect? 70 bq/kg constant radiation did no harm until it came from cesium?

                    • penny penny

                      Not sure I understand the question. The Cs (even one atom) is in the heart; it is both toxic and radioactive. Those 70 Bq/kg are from an emitter that has no toxicity whatsoever. In this case, the heart damage is not a long-term effect like cancer, and I assume it's due to the toxicity of Cs. However, the radiation damage from Cs and other man-made isotopes is clearly more damaging than natural, as is proven in multiple studies of the dangers of low-level (man-made) radiation. So it seems we are talking apples and Clockwork Oranges. (Note to self: Why do I keep referencing that movie? I hate it, hate it, hate it!)

                    • penny penny

                      More on caesium (this may already have been linked elsewhere):

                      Bottom line: don't feed it to your friends.

                    • penny penny

                      Sorry, wrong link (still important, though). Here's the caesium + heart = certain death paper:

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Thanks Penny. Note that science doesnt consider non radioactive cesium that dangerous

                      The median lethal dose (LD50) value for caesium chloride in mice is 2.3 g per kilogram, which is comparable to the LD50 values of potassium chloride and sodium chloride.


                      So, at first swivel, one would think we are comparing radioactivity to radioactivity when it comes to cesium 137 and K-40. Its been pointed out to me that C-137 is only twice as bad, in terms of radiation danger. So one would be back to this question; why 70bq/kg (of K-40)didnt hurt anyone until it came from cesium. When looking for answers, remember there are still the unknown unknowns!

                      I know it seems boringly pedantic and unimportant to highlight mainstream science failure on radiation assessment and its continual comparison to background. Oddly for me it seems central to the anti nuclear ramble

                    • penny penny

                      No, I think I spoke cavalierly in saying it was just toxicity; radioactivity does play a role. I found an excellent nuclear site – – but it's in French. But I intend to post translated excerpts here, because they are wonderfully sarcastic.

                    • penny penny

                      Wait…Cs-147 only twice as bad as K-40? Not!!! I'll check the AIPRI data. It's orders of magnitude difference.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      penny, K-40 is 6.2 sieverts per becquerel and C-137 is 13 S/Bq. from the ICRP… Why do you suppose I would waste time on this subject, even as others contradict…

                      in Japan the prescribed safe limit for I-131 in vegetables is set at 2,000 Becquerel (Bq) per kilogram and 500 Bq/kg for radioactive cesium.


                    • penny penny

                      …and i really am going to get back to work… but i just remembered, and wanted to share here, that one thing people tend not to mention in discussing 'toxicity of particle X' is that radioactive man-made particles not only irradiate you, they then become something else that emits, and something else, ad nauseum. So when you talk about Cs in the body you're really talking about all its daughter products, too.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    How fish breath..the ocean "is" their atmosphere.

                    Lung cancer rates skyrocketed in Sweden after 1945..

                    Tumors are being found at the entry point of the fish mouths.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  Fukushima is 1000s of times worse than Chernobyl because of the man-made plutonium and other man-made radionuclides.


                  Chernobyl is equivalent to 400 Hiroshima bombs.

                  The Santa Susana muclear meltdown is 1000 times worse than TMI. Nuclear meltdowns are millions of times worse than background radiation.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  au contraire PJ; many times I have said this; Wow, with that huge quantity of background that they keep comparing to fallout, its obvious fallout must be worse than they say and/or background less dangerous. Then I usually give the example everyone can see; the radioactive planet didnt create mass deaths and genomic instability, even after endless generations, but mans radiation has.

                  Now, and to the point; you usually would follow my statement with several more trying to prove that background radiation IS toxic. You often cited the argonne labs paper which tells just how dangerous it is; Half as dangerous per becquerel (standard measurement unit of radiation) than Cesium137

                  So when you say No one on this blog has ever said that nuclear man made radiation isn't billions of times more lethal than background radiation, I can think of two, right off the bat. Thanks for considering the truth of this

                  PS, invoking the specific activity wont help you in this case. We started so long ago talking about the 12,000 bq of radiation naturally in the ocean compared to 12 bq from cesium. Right there you have the ocean being 500 times more dangerous naturally, by your sources. I pointed this out many many times for your consideration…

              • Not dismissing Busby at all.

                Meanwhile, for whatever reason, Code is deflecting, blaming, shaming and attacking, instead of answering a simple question.

                Why is Code NOT answering a valid question?

                AGR has plenty of articles with Busby featured as the shining star he is.

                Anyone who visits there at all knows that very basic fact.

                Care to answer the question yet Code?

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            Internet trolls who set up fake online profiles to post damaging or embarrassing material could face criminal charges
            • CPS updating rules for those who set up fake accounts or websites
            • If they are set up to humiliate or abuse victims they could face court

          • Still waiting for an answer.

            Deflection won't work.

        • DUDe DUD

          "..It sounds like you are starting to take their side on this, by not providing anything to show how wrong they are.."

          Dr.Good many times more does Code have to rewrite hes point of view from the bottom up..

          "..It soundslike.." " looks like.."

          Ain't no fair responses imho , after all this time.. you know perfectly well what he means..

          • He posted ocean radiation graphic saying Fuku was only 10 percent of Chernobyl, then posts something else agreeing with that same premise.

            And no one says boo.

            Ok, let's vote.

            All those in favor of taking official position that Fuku is only 10 percent of Chernobyl?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Dr G, are you referring to this graphic from Woods Hole?


              and this video, playing on a loop at NOAA


              Yes, I recommend people to see those. How much did that video cost to make? Who decided to make it and put funds into it? Buesseler was perhaps with a few people when they came of with the theme; we live on a radioactive planet, the danger is in the dose. Who were those other people. Did anybody see the TV series Mad Men?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              what was the other post agreeing with the 10% of Chernobyl? I have been linking to a few papers, notably Busby, (your opinion of that paper; "Busby is WRONG on this one") and Stohl. I am often trying to get people to realize the mainstream science position. Before I was talking about it, I would guess that over half the people here didnt realize the ocean had more background radiation by far then what was released by Fukushima. (Whether man has made that primordial radiation or not is a subject for a another time). Some people thought Woods Hole was flat out lying about it. Others…the majority, dont give a damn because their brains just arent oriented that way.

              Please make no mistake; I have not promoted the idea that Fukushima is 10% of Chernobyl. But what if scientists said so?

              Would you conclude;

              A) the official experts are lying
              B) Fukushima is not as bad as we thought
              C) the release estimate is accurate but the toxicity per becquerel is not known, i.e. we dont know why the smaller amount is doing so much harm …or
              D) the extra killing power came from background radiation?

              • penny penny

                E) both D and A (in that order). I have been clear on that point (in my own mind, if not on this keyboard) from the start, and I haven't heard anyone else disagreeing. What concerns me is that the propaganda side not be presented as in *any* way credible. It's "not even wrong".

                • D? natural radiation or background from bombs and dumping?

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  penny; Im afraid I phrased/framed the question wrong. Please try it again

                  Lets say scientists claim that Fukushima released about the same amount of cesium as Chernobyl, and over-all was about twice as serious…

                  would you conclude

                  A) the scientists were flat out lying

                  B) Fukushima is not as bad as we feared (only 2x Chernobyl)

                  C) The release estimate is pretty accurate, but we dont know how toxic the radioisotopes are or how they will interact with the environment

                  D) The estimate was correct but background radiation is adding to the toxicity and that is why the results are more serious than the release estimate


                  I take it from your post that you are voting with a subtle boo as per Goodhearts post?

                  Maybe this is the paper that is found objectionable? It has data from the Comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty organization and shows some interesting things, like prolonged high heat and releases from Unit 4, and 8 x 10^18 Bq of 133Xe, about 80 % of the core inventories.

                  CTBTO in on the conspiracy…I dont doubt it. Lots of work to make the false data!

                  reminds me of the world trade center NIST report

                    • penny penny

                      That's an interesting paper, but it's not a comprehensive study of the Fukushima accident by any means. The authors took one data set, on one day at one location, and from that ran computational modeling. That (comp.mod.) happens to be what I did in grad school, and I have a healthy scepticism for results thereof (we theoreticians like to joke that anything within a few orders of magnitude is 'precision' – not at all funny in this context). Besides, as we all know, levels have fluctuated wildly, wind direction changes constantly, and various other factors lend to the non-validity of that one study as a "final word analysis" of the severity of the accident. I wouldn't go so far as to hurl a "j'accuse" at the authors, but they are delinquent in overstating the importance of their results. Okay, maybe I would accuse them of worse, given the devastating consequences of inaction in response to Fukushima.

                • penny penny

                  Sorry, I mis-read the answers. E) none of the above! The man-made radiation is in a different category entirely. Maybe in your terms, natural is the feminine, nurturing entity whilst man-made is masculine (see how nicely it works out alliteratively and all?)… as i was saying, masculine, kill-happy, dangerous.

                  I am hoping to maintain the position that everyone here operates in good faith, but with a certain obstinacy or inability to play nicely (my problem: obstinacy. Am trying to play nicely; I very much hate conflict and drama and all that). I don't have any problem with watching people tilt at windmills, though, if their intention is good.

                  • penny penny

                    It seems evident that, as walled-off as the data is and given all the smoke blown by the 'authorities', there would be a certain amount of disagreement here. There is sooo much smoke, in fact, that it seems (to me) equally evident that every effort must be made to avoid confusion.

                    On that ground, I would boo your not having given a likable answer to your above question, Code. Not everyone here is going to get that the deck is stacked against them. In fact, the full answer is more like: "The estimates are ridiculously low; the danger of man-made isotopes is orders of magnitude higher than official sources will admit; the die-offs are proof positive that the accident was far worse than official sources admit AND that man-made is a whole different animal than natural radiation."

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    Natural uranium is very harmful
                    “…Because uranium is the deadliest metal on earth. As you will see, the scientific evidence fully bears out this conclusion….
                    “Marie Curie…found that even after the uranium had been removed, the crushed rock remained very radioactive — much more so than the uranium itself….Why is it that eighty-five percent of the radioactivity stays behind in the crushed rock?… Marie Curie discovered two new elements: radium and polonium. We now know these are inevitable byproducts of uranium….
                    “To be more precise, when uranium disintegrates it turns into a substance called protactinium, which is also radioactive. And when that disintegrates it turns into a substance named thorium, which is likewise radioactive. When thorium disintegrates it turns into radium; when radium disintegrates it turns into radon gas. And when radon gas atoms disintegrate, they turn into what are called the "radon daughters", or "radon progeny", of which there are about half a dozen radioactive materials, including polonium….
                    “both Henri Becquerel and Marie Curie suffered grievous burns which were very difficult to heal and which left permanent scars just as a result of handling radium….
                    “The only thing these women had in common was that they worked in a radium dial painting factory in New Jersey. Blum called this phenomenon "radium jaw". A few years later, the women who had recovered from these symptoms started developing problems in the rest of their skeleton. They…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      suffered weakening of the bone, spontaneous fractures of the hip and of other bones, and growths — tumors, some of which were cancerous — in the bones themselves. Now, bone cancer is such an exceedingly rare disease, that there was little doubt that this cancer was caused by exposure to radium….
                      “doctors discovered that in their entire skeleton there were only a few micrograms of radium. This quantity was so small, that no conventional chemical analysis could detect it. Nevertheless, this tiny amount of radium had distributed itself so thoroughly through their skeleton, that you could take a picture of any one of their bones just by laying it on a photographic plate in a dark room, It is called an auto-radiograph — that is, an x-ray picture with no x-ray machine….”

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    Mars astronauts risk brain damage from cosmic rays, say scientists

                    “US researchers exposing mice to streams of high-energy particles similar to galactic cosmic rays discover damage to nervous system affecting cognition

                    “Researchers have documented other curious effects of cosmic rays since humans first began to fly in space. In 1974, Nasa scientists revealed that astronauts onboard the last seven Apollo missions reported bright flashes, caused by cosmic ray particles penetrating their head and eyes.

                    “The latest study builds on previous work in animals, and suggests that spacecraft bound for long voyages are likely to need special shielding from cosmic rays. But such shielding might only lessen the problem. ‘There is really no escaping them,’ said Limoli….”

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    Long-haul air passengers at risk from cosmic rays, government fears

                    “…Occasionally there are large explosions on the Sun and huge amounts of magnetically charged particles are thrown out into space, in what is known as a Coronal Mass Ejection.
                    “The report warns that humanity would have just a 12 hour warning about the arrival of a such an ejection which could damage the National Grid, pipelines, and railway signals. …

                    “It comes as new Nasa-funded research found that solar storms could trigger showers of harmful radiation which could cause health problems not just in the air, but also at ground level.
                    It is already known that airplane crews at high altitude are exposed to potentially harmful levels of radiation from cosmic rays. But the team wanted to find out if such particles could cause problems on the ground after previous research suggested that birth defects increased during periods of high solar activity…..”

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    penny, considering the estimate comes from Busby, I would go with answer C

                    C) The release estimate is pretty accurate, but we dont know how toxic the radioisotopes are or how they will interact with the environment.

                    Of course the ECRR gives a better idea of how toxic, not the ICRP…but still we seem to be witnessing more damage than even Busby predicted.

                    I suspect many people here would choose

                    A) the scientists were flat out lying (or simply WRONG, presumably because their expertise was not expert enough)

                    Choice B) (Fukushima is not as bad as we feared; only 2x Chernobyl) was meant to highlight the idea that even if we sort of trust Busby, we cant accurately extrapolate danger from radiation measurements

                    And choice D was meant to address the people who continually point out how dangerous background radiation is (and who posit that so much of it must be man made!)

                    D) The estimate was correct but background radiation is adding to the toxicity and that is why the results are more serious than the release estimate

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HA! multiple choice was the wrong approach! bogged down

                      try again

                      A) linking to the Woods Hole graphic showing the comparison of background to fallout is a pro nuke ploy


                      B) its worrisome because without a warning, people here arent smart enough to grasp the point ( Not everyone here is going to get that the deck is stacked against them.)

                    • penny penny

                      I wasn't saying that people aren't smart enough, but that many won't have the background knowledge yet, to make sense of the possibilities. I don't like linking to that graphic, without giving a full explanation of What's Wrong With It, for that same reason. Too many people, as well, have a vested interest in believing that chart… here:

                      I have a deadline coming up, but will (hopefully) get back later with a translation of an article about Cs radiotoxicity. Its claim is that the deadliness is drastically underestimated, by overestimating the distance its radiation can permeate tissues (i.e., a lot more energy is deposited in a lot less space than the ICRP model accounts for). Unless that's been covered here, and someone can just pull up a link.

                    • penny penny

                      As far as trusting everything Busby says… I tend to see feet of clay everywhere. And would rather look at the message than the messenger, for better or worse, idol or idiot. 🙂

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Penny Ive been hammering away at for a year…
                      you want me to make a warning every time I talk about mainstream science? "warning, this Woods Hole graphic, while technically correct about K-40, may lead some viewers to underestimate the severity of Fukushima"

                      It never occurred to me that when I posted the graphic, people would think it was to fool them into complacency rather than to show the mainstream problem, after having said what the problem is.

                    • sirchasm sirchasm

                      How 'bout just not link to it? Link to the other information – it'll make your friends happy and it'll be serving hte cause. Seems other people have mentioned once or twice that this was causing confusion.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      sirchasm, thanks for weighing in. I want to make sure we are talking about the same link. You mean this one?


                      Thats the graphic that nearly everyone will see when they go looking to our experts for answers. Strikes me as crazy to ban such a link. You know we are talking about Woods Hole, NOAA, Oceanus

                      Everyone who is interested in influencing the minds of the public, scientists or politicians should go here and have a look. Its insane not to, for obvious reasons…



                    • sirchasm sirchasm

                      So don't ban it, just dont post it all by its lonesome. NLP works that way. Rise above that.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I have never posted it without a reason explained in the discussion.

                      While youre here, maybe you can help…It would be great to have a counter phrase to this one from Woods Hole

                      'We live in a sea of radiation, the danger is in the dose'

                      They compare background radiation to fallout, which seemingly proves how small the danger is from the latter. You can see in the lower left of this page what I mean


                      The counter phrase has to be true and we should be able to back it up with facts

                      thanks…I studied NLP by the way. We want to re-frame the background comparison

                    • sirchasm sirchasm

                      DOESNT MATTER if you give a reason, NLP works that way. Youre smart enough to get that. Here, watch this.

                      See? Look, its not asking that much, is it, just dont post that link without linking to the counter-arguments. Or Ill have to believe Dr. Goodheart is on the right track. Sheesh.

                    • sirchasm sirchasm

                      Btw, changing the subject is another NLP tactic. Penny mentioned shifting sands awhile ago. I think she and Goodheart are right to worry about htese tendencies of yours. Especially if you studied NLP.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      German study on a meltdown in contact with groundwater….Sr90
                      The world has at least 3 of those…talk about shifting sands
                      5years and not really a peep, go figure

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Also Majia did a nice piece on the Getman study

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      sirchasm, if you wish to understand, start reading the thread here


                      IF a fish has died from radiation, the fewer becquerels you find, the more toxic they must have been. If you dont find any becquerels, the fish could still have died from fallout. Do need links for that statement? Gave them many times…

                    • sirchasm sirchasm

                      I've done my homework, CSD. All I want to know is why you don't post THAT link instead of the WHOrE link, time fater time after time. Its not a trick question. If you're operating in good faith like everyone here wants to believe then you could do that. When you dont do that youre not helping. Why not help when you can? It aint difficult.
                      Only dropped in here to ese what Dana Durnford was on about. He thinks youre a troll. Is that the image you want to have? Cause you and you alone oculd change it.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      sirchasm, you've done your homework on what? What is your assessment?

                      Sorry if you or others cant follow my lines of thought. I have focused on the contrast of background vs anthropogenic. The exact danger of background is interesting but not essential to the argument; science and media put them in the same category and compare. This I have made a stance on, because its one of the biggest public relation victories of the nuclear industry. Who could miss it? Yet I was the one to point it out. PJ and Dr G and others fought me on it, oddly.

                      You would have me censor mainstream science? Or modify my methods of communication because some of you cant follow, or remain steady in your own view? Sorry, that goes against the fiber of my being sirchasm. Ive already tried to simplify to the best of my ability. What problem do you have with this;

                      "we live in a sea of radiation, the danger was insignificant until man added new radioisotopes" ….BTW, you mistakenly thought that was changing the subject

                      Dana Durnford…I like what he has done. If he thinks Im a troll, so be it.

                      You and Penny, Goodheart and PJ can worry about me being a pro nuke hormesis shill, as I understand you to say. Can I speak frankly? I think it indicates the level or your savvy, your discernment.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      This sentence doesnt have a link, its mine

                      "IF a fish has died from radiation, the fewer becquerels you find, the more toxic they must have been. If you dont find any becquerels, the fish could still have died from fallout. Do need links for that statement? Gave them many times…"

                      But the first part is self evident and doesnt need a link. The second part I have made many efforts to explain. I used many links. Did Aristotle nag Plato for links?

                      Cant you name three reasons why a fish could be killed from fallout even though none were detected? Its not a trifling question; the public and scientists assume if theres no detection, there was no damage. Unfortunately its too easy to think that way, and anti nukers can go off the deep end inventing becquerels

                      sirchasm, you have voiced your advice to me. Allow me the same; Elucidate the truth, rather than hounding others who do. Thanks

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Pretty sure Dana has the freedom and the ability to post here anytime he feels he has the need to… 🙂

                      I have found no error in Code's presented argument or judgments concerning the matters at hand and If Dana does have any disagreements with Code's presented theories then he should voice these concerns directly in these pages of pixels of bright light along with the reasons why.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Shouldn't the driver hitting this kangaroo be charged with animal vehicle manslaughter? Pretty sure last time I checked animals were not running down humans with their own created machines.

                      The Earth belongs to all the animals present on this planet..humans are only animals that somehow don't fit this natural organic equation.

  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    Can't get this page to translate. Can anyone else? Just curious what this meeting is all about.

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  • micky thered micky thered

    just came across this article, it might explain the inaction from the powers that be in Japan. make of it what you will.

    peace and love to all.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Drone flyover nuclear waste new? April 17 2016

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Forgot to give you a link.

    Colorado forgot to give its' citizen votes, so I guess I'm politically correct now.


    • Ve Vill Pik De Fuhrer for de masses, who are too dumb to vote. HEIL!


      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

        Insulting people and sounding like a Nazi is counter-productive. People associate you with your words, and "sarc" added at the end just doesn't ameliorate the insults.

        • Pj, did you read the article? Unless you do, you will miss the point.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            What article are you even talking about?

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              Over and over again I get the feeling that some people are hear for a political agenda that doesn't include getting rid of nuclear weapons and nuclear energy and nuclear "medicine." It is very difficult to know where people stand because there is so controlled opposition in the US. People speak out against one issue to get support when all the time they are really for some other agenda that isn't at all attractive. The propaganda from all sides is never going to get rid of the nuclear extinction the whole world is facing. People seem to be unable to grasp that any future with nuclear technology is no future at all.

              • earthsmith earthsmith

                Well maybe if you took off your personalized one way blinders you might at least be able to read what people are posting. I'm sure the word Colorado personalized it for you. Holy crap you're not the only one PJ, I mean woah is that really that hard to understand or is it you that does not care

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  Well thanks for at least giving me a clue as to what is being talked about. Dr.G. said it was an article. It turns out it is a youtube, not an article. I never saw the word Colorado until you just mentioned it.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    I thought he was talking about Trump. It turns out it was Cruz. Let's face it, no one runs for president unless they are approved of by the elite. All the politicking is just for show. It doesn't really matter who is elected. They all wind up being puppets, and the Congress is always divided so nothing gets done except things like TPP which destroys the environment and the country.

              • unincredulous unincredulous

                I see the absolute authoritarianism manifesting itself in world politics very similar to the damn-the-facts attitude of the nuclear cabal.

                Maybe the two problems are one and the same.

                Considering Hillary Clinton's emails about Fukushima radiation, it seems assured.

            • The article link responded to is right above the sarc comment.

              "Colorado forgot to give its' citizen votes, so I guess I'm politically correct now."


              Watch it and you may understand…

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                This is old news to me. I read about it on cuttingedge when it happened. Cruz will get the nomination because they want the Latino vote so no one can complain when we get another Republican president. The elections are fixed and they go back and forth between a Republican and a Democrat to make it look like the country is divided and everyone is getting a chance to be represented. The truth is that the elections are fixed and it is much easier with the computer voting machines. The truth is, only the elite is represented and they are all globalists.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  Hitler really was a dictator. But in the US the presidents are just puppets–figureheads to take all the blame for all the criticism. This was patently obvious when the banks (including foreign banks) were bailed out. Absolutely no responsibility required anymore at all for those in power. All the NPPs are run for the military, and no wisdom will ever prevail. Obama is going to pardon Clinton, but she won't be president, because it is on the schedule to have a Republican next, and the US is gender biased.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    All you have to do is read all the news analysis. They pretend to be clairvoyant or wonderful analysts. But they are really just preparing people so they won't be to angry with the fix has come in.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      TYPO: they won't be too angry when the fix has come in.

                      If people don't vote, it is not because they don't care or are stupid. Rather, they are too educated to think that the whole process isn't totally corrupt.

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