Top Official: “Sinkhole has sunk further… we have water coming through dam” upstream of nuclear plants; “Now agency’s top priority”; “Continued flow…could destabilize dam” — Section caved in at base — Gov’t not disclosing inundation maps over security concerns; Private meeting with facility in path (VIDEO)

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WJHL, Apr 28, 2015 (emphasis added): [T]he head of the nation’s largest public utility… TVA President Bill Johnson toured Boone Dam [and] said water was moving through the base of the earth filled portion of the dam carrying sediment… “we do have water coming through the dam because the sinkhole has sunk further,” Johnson said pointing to a section of caved-in parking lot at the base of Boone Dam… Johnson said it is essential for TVA to figure out how to stop the flow of water through the base… because continued flow of sediment-laden lake water could destabilize the dam.

Johnson City Press, Apr 28, 2015: TVA leader: Boone Dam is top priority

Kingsport Times News, Apr 29, 2015: TVA already has spent millions of dollars looking for the fix and is likely to spend millions more, Johnson said, adding cost is not a factor… The seepage is being blamed on karst, a geological characteristic [that] occurs with dissolution of bedrock, such as limestone. The more rock lost, the more room for more water to flow through – speeding the further dissolution of rock. Seepage through an earthen section of a dam [with] sediment… can indicate ongoing erosion.

Bristol Herald Courier, Apr 28, 2015: [TVA officials] continue to report sediment seepage in the earthen part of the dam… Travis Brickey, TVA senior program manager, said via phone that repair is still in the “discovery stage”… but there is sediment seepage in the earthen part of the dam because water has, over time, found its way through karst underground.

Kingsport Times News, Apr 6, 2015: In February… TVA officials met privately with Mayor Dennis Phillips and [an official] at Eastman Chemical Co. – to discuss the seepage… “TVA’s intent is to protect everything downstream“… Phillips said. “They didn’t get into any specifics on houses or areas involved. It’s just naturally understood that if something happened to the dam, it would be a major problem“… Phillips said he is very supportive of Boone Lake remaining at its current level or lower until TVA determines there is no chance of disaster. City Manager Jeff Fleming said… “we have to support [TVA’s decision], rather than risk something catastrophic happening“… Last month, the Times-News submitted a [FOIA] request… asking for inundation maps [for] areas downstream… “We are unable to publicly disclose the inundation maps, studies and plans… due to security concerns,” said TVA FOIA Officer… “There were no assurances… It could be multiple years” [Phillips said].

WJHL transcript, Apr 28, 2015 — Bill Johnson, TVA president: “You see here the sinkhole in the parking lot”… He said [it] is now the agency’s top priority… Sediment seeping downstream led TVA to drastically drop water levels — now we know to keep people downstream safe.

See also: Sinkhole develops under dam in US — 7 nuclear reactors downstream — Plant officials notify gov’t of stability issues, begin evaluating potential flood impacts

Watch the WJHL broadcast here

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  • From the report:

    "Apr 29, 2015: TVA already has spent millions of dollars looking for the fix and is likely to spend millions more, Johnson said, adding cost is not a factor… The seepage is being blamed on karst, a geological characteristic [that] occurs with dissolution of bedrock, such as limestone."

    Ok so it has been months… Why the hell hasn't any money actually been SPENT to actually FIX it??? Typical spend 50 million dollars on a study for a solution, and 50 cents on the actual project.

    From Oct 31st 2014:
    http://enenews.com/sinkhole-develops-dam-water-starting-seep-base-7-nuclear-reactors-downstream-nrc-notified-event-plants-evaluating-potential-impact-flooding-official-uncommon-occurrence-monitoring-continuousl

    I feel the JERKING AROUND were getting anyone else???

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      They can't fix it. The limestone is stratified and fractured – it is nothing close to 'solid bedrock'. If a single, big crack was found under the cement part of the dam, then they may have been able to grout it. It sounds like it was far worse then they originally suspected.

      Imagine this limestone: http://www.mcz.harvard.edu/Departments/InvertPaleo/Trenton/Intro/GeologyPage/Sedimentary%20Geology/uppermilldam.gif
      flipped on its side so the layers are pointing up and down, not sideways. Erode that for a few tens of thousands of years, crack it with a few different faults, then throw a hundred feet of concrete and dirt on top of it.

      Of course its leaking under the dam, but they had hoped it was somewhere under the concrete apron in front of the dam. Squeeze a million pounds of grout under it and it may 'fix' the problem. They were hoping that it didn't have anything to do with the earthen part because that's a far more risky proposition – the grout cement is pumped under several thousand pounds of pressure into the cracks. If you don't have a nice, flat piece of concrete 100 ft. high on top of it (like the dam) then it won't squeeze down into the voids like you want it to. Worse yet, they could cause additional fractures when plugging the existing ones.

      This is the other part the NRC doesn't want you to know/worry about: http://peaksurfer.blogspot.com/2014/11/boonedoggle.html

      • combomelt combomelt

        PavewayIII…

        Scary scenario you posted there.

        http://peaksurfer.blogspot.com/2014/11/boonedoggle.html

        "Studies that are more recent have also computed flood heights that exceed the flood protection elevation of the Standby Shutdown Facility (Duke 2009, Duke 2010). The following timeline (which begins with dam failure) is an excerpt from a Duke letter, which is based on results of the 1992 study:

        Notification from Jocassee would occur before a total failure of the dam; however, for purposes of this timeline, notification is assumed to be at the same time the dam fails. Following notification from Jocassee, the reactor(s) are shutdown within approximately 1 hour. The predicted flood would reach [Oconee Nuclear Station] in approximately 5 hours, at which time the [Standby Shutdown Facility] walls are overtopped. The [Standby Shutdown Facility] is assumed to fail, with no time delay, following the flood level exceeding the height of the [Standby Shutdown Facility] wall. The failure scenario results are predicted such that core damage occurs in about 8 to 9 hours following the dam break and containment failure in about 59 to 68 hours. When containment failure occurs, significant dose to the public would result. (Duke 2008, att 2, p.10)

      • Agreed, a fix in the geological configuration the dam is constructed on is unlikely. My point was they could drain it slowly, and decommission the hydro power dam. But in my opinion that would make it clearly obvious the nuclear plants below really do not generate as much power as they claim. They are being used for breeding Plutonium. Bit of a sticky wicket like they say over at Sellafield also. In the ENENEWS link I posted above, I referred to the wisdom of having nuclear power plants below a hydropower dam as "oxymoron". Doc G's comment called it just plain moron. Correct.

        • I have a feeling too that since war and nuclear industries are the unholy sickie sticky wicket twins, they're all pretty mad and crossing their greedy fingers that mother nature doesn't throw an earthquake on them and screw up their profit schemes.

          That darned old stupid Fukushima just had to go have an EQ…and a tsunami to boot.

          Must be tough being nuclear dependent.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Next there will be a sinkhole under the reactors…

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      Sorry – the interesting part of the blog I linked was another external link to 'a secret NRC report' on Huffington Post. That link is dead, but the report can still be found on their site here:

      http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/flooding.pdf

      It's marked 'Not for Public Release' so please DO NOT read it if you are a member of the public and do not distribute it to any members of the public. It is not likely to last very long there – the NRC is only trying to protect you. Obey!

  • Marcie

    Well, they have to form a committee to hire a firm to study the issues and file a report that has to be evaluated by another committee. That committee produces a summary report because the big shots are too fucking lazy to read the study. Then the powers that be have to take it under advisement and generally waste time and see who among their top funding sources is going to be impacted. These things have to weighed carefully. So what if it's upstream from 7 nuclear reactors? What could go wrong?

    • Ya Marcie, what could possibly go wrong?

    • Shaker1

      Just what would a modern economy be without simple 'busywork'? Seems increasingly that it's only words now that might distinguish us from the old Soviet Union on so many levels. Think about our 'security state', the rise since the 80s of an openly proud and arrogant insider class, and the manipulations of every aspect in which a couple of cents can be gathered in taxes or skimmed with no work in schemes like arbitrage. We're an economy of advertisers, wholesalers, insurers, and retailers who are increasingly cutting the feet off the customer base and the tax base in emulation of those 'heroes'. "Yes, even you can have an off-shore bank account and the ear of a Congressperson. Contact your local broker…"

      Sorry for the OT rant…

      . And yet we're too stupid to realize that there are examples of the distress we're headed for in a modern economy like Japan. How many years now has that example existed (a couple of decades) and the experts in their fantasies still don't get it.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Nothing could go wrong, as it seems everybody involved, is making money hand over fist! 🙂

  • combomelt combomelt

    "now we know to keep people downstream safe."

    thank goodness!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "The seepage is being blamed on karst, a geological characteristic [that] occurs with dissolution of bedrock, such as limestone. The more rock lost, the more room for more water to flow through – speeding the further dissolution of rock. Seepage through an earthen section of a dam [with] sediment… can indicate ongoing erosion."

    Exactly.

  • irhologram

    My post May 1

    http://www.turnto10.com/story/28924115/tva-president-on-boone-dam-we-can-fix-itwe-will-fix-it
    After months of investigative work by engineers, Johnson said TVA has more information than ever about the water seepage problem. "We know a lot more about what's happening under the dam," Johnson told reporters. He said water was moving through the base of the earth filled portion of the dam carrying sediment with it. "We have reduced the pressure on the dam and are not seeing the sediment come through, but we can see we do have water coming through the dam because the sinkhole has sunk further," Johnson said pointing to a section of caved-in parking lot at the base of Boone Dam.

    Johnson says no caves have opened up under the dam, and the ground remains stable. (Except for the wash out at the base of the dam and the sinking parking lot?)

    Johnson says it is essential for TVA to figure out how to stop the flow of water through the earthen section because the continued flow of sediment-laden lake water could destabilize the dam.

    Translation: Lowering the water level had stopped downstream sediment from BUT it's still flowing through the base because the sinkhole is growing (hopefully not into a cave), because the parking lot sank, and so sediment IS still flowing and its a matter of time until the dam bursts.

    Cont

  • irhologram

    TVA said it plans to reveal its long-term solution plans as soon as July. "I think speculation today about the future with the knowledge we have would be worthwhile. A couple of months from now I will have a better answer." Translation: Since the sinkhole appeared last October, we still don't know what to do.

    Johnson says the TVA is weeks away from testing the injection of grout into the base of the dam. Translation: After discovering the dam was breaking, we still have not begun reinforcing its ever worsening weakness.

    "My belief is not only can we fix it but we will fix it," he said. "We're going to do this, we're going to do it right, and whatever it takes that what we're going to do." Translation: They don't know what to do, but they're going to do it. Without a fix, a torrential flow of millions of gallons of the heavy, unmitigated sediment-laden water will certainly burst the dam and crash downstream like a tsunami over multiple nuclear and chemical plants.

    • Further translation….we don't have the money, and have no idea where to get the money, even if we could define the problem and get cost estimates.

      We are basically screwed and so are you, so hang tight as a team, you downwinders, I mean down riverers…best be happy we don't turn you lights off….

      • We Not They Finally

        Say, I can tell them where to get the money. There are a ton of "black" projects killing us slowly, so to speak, instead of what looks like it might become a rapidly moving disaster. Ask the chemtrails crowd for the money, for one. Anyone disinvesting them would be performing a major public service.

    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      July… Seriously… Does anybody here actually believe that the dam will see June, let alone July, I don't.

      As for shutting down all those beautiful Nuclear monoliths to human stupidity. Don't be silly…

      Their Americans, their exceptional… They won't let a piddling little inconvenience like 2 meters of flood water in the control room, stop them from increasing the profits of their lords and masters aka share-holders.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Just for the record it's NOT from Fukushima.

    It's just another short sighted monopolistic monolithic corporocratic bureaucratic boardroom infrastructure fuckup.

    Again…

  • dosdos dosdos

    Drain it down to river status. Period.

    • Exactly dosdos…and if they don't do it, mother nature probably will.

      • jec jec

        I'll bet TVA cant drop the dam water level to basic river..because the nuclear plants would not have cooling water 100% of the time–or too much water at other times. What was the original river level, pre-dam, at the nuclear plants downstream of Boone Dam? Anyone know?

        Also, Wappapum Dam, Hanford WA..the concrete pour was bad during the build, and the 'anchors' into bedrock were never done! Want to bet Boone has similar issues with 'quality control'. If one federal dam project has bogus engineering..bet its in other dams as well. Anyone have the 'as is build' documents? Anywhere?? Nope..cause they dont match…at least Wappapum Dam..for a starter.

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      Yep.
      I second your motion

  • Jebus Jebus

    Shut seven more down. Period.

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      Double Yep.
      I double second your motion.
      Shut down the dangerous cancer factories/reactors before the next innevitable radioactive catastrophe.
      Nuclear power is not needed. Solar, wind and gas can EASILY AND CHEAPLY REPLACE NUCLEAR POWER!!
      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • They probably won't do it, because that would LOSE MONEY.

    Same logic for keeping nukes puking radiation, got to keep rolling in the money. Stopping them would LOSE MONEY.

  • bowling

    The beauty of this dam if it breaks is there will not be anyone left to sue the company that built it. Those nuclear reactors will probably make it so everyone in the southeast is evacuated. Not like the coal slurry dam breaks in west virginia where companies like Duke Energy had to shell several millions.

    • We Not They Finally

      Why, exactly, do you think that governments evacuate areas due to nuclear contamination? Did you know that in 1959, the Rocketdyne disaster in southern Cal was covered up and it was many times worse than TMI? And Indian Point is just 35 miles from NYC and there are NO contingency evacuation plans.

      Normally no one gets evacuated unless their HOMES are in imminent danger of destruction. PROPERTY.

  • If they had really thought ahead 7 generations, the dam would not have been built in the first place.

    Same goes for the nuclear plants.

  • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

    Nuclear plants only make economic sense now if you can continue operating these old past-their-expected-life reactors. New nuclear is a money loser. Nuclear now is only a front for producing plutonium for bombs. It has no place making electricity. What to do with the waste?? It is a bad idea for so many reasons.

    We need to research the companies' political donations. Who is "bought"

    • Higher Education and Nuclear were the biggest donors to the Obama campaign. And looks whats "blowing up"

      Sorry I know 47% love Obama for various reasons, but facts cannot be ignored. I voted for him in the first election….I will man up and admit this. Because "he got it"

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        In 2004 when Kerry was running against W, he stated that he had 1000 lawyers, just waiting, if there were any problems with the voting.

        But Green Party was the one who payed for the recounts.

        At that point, I saw the truth about the "two party system" we had.

        I'm placing my bets with Sanders this time around.

        • We Not They Finally

          Kerry had to have lied. He folded over instantly. In OHIO, where corruption was rife. It was disgraceful. We were shocked and would never trust him again.

        • We Not They Finally

          LOVE Sanders and admire his courage for doing this. He cannot win but hopefully he will push Hillary a bit to the left.

          • He won't push Hillary to the left. She is pro-GMO, pro-Patriot Act, pro Not Measuring Radiation from Japanese products. People will vote for that disgusting pile of excrement because she isn't a Repbulican, claiming that she is the only hope of defeating Jeb. It was the same thing with Kerry who had almost no differences with Bush.

          • “Rise like Lions after slumber in unvanquishable number. Shake your chains to earth like dew which in sleep had fallen on you. Ye are many-they are few.” – Percy Bysshe Shelley

          • PurpleRain PurpleRain

            I'll go with Sanders over Hillary just because of Nuclear!

  • bowling

    I wonder how much tritium those nuclear powe plants dump into that river each year. How much nuclear waste they all combined generate every year. How many people have died from venting, refueling, the tritium released over the years.

  • dan dan

    It's just like every other boys club disaster. Deny deny deny….lie lie lie. The public doesn't matter anymore.

  • dan dan

    Doesn't matter who you vote for, it's still the same corporate back-room boys calling the shots for the pea brains up front.

    repair is still in the “discovery stage”…

    So as usual, they pissed the time they had available to affect repairs up against the wall. Now the thing is collapsing the car park, spewing sediment and increasing the flow hourly.
    Why not freeze the ground boys……borrow the recipe from ineptco.

    I used to wonder why the ruskies ha

  • dan dan

    I used to wonder why the ruskies had so many revol..ions. It was probably to clean out the back room boys and get some decent honest citizens in there instead. Give it time and it all goes to pot again.

  • dan dan

    Sorry about the rant. My second best mate died at fifteen. A border collie. Smarter than any nucker and a friend to all…..except the guy who came to read the elect. Meter. She would bale him against the wall every time. Excellent judge of character was that girl.

  • razzz razzz

    Forget the duct tape, they need sandbags and lots of them.

    I always thought bedrock was granite or some other hard rock. Not limestone. The limestone is melting away because they can't keep the underground water from seeping through it.

    Just in time for spring runoff. Maybe transfer the downstream reactors and all the spent fuel to WIPP.

    Or maybe they could hurry up and build another damn directly in front of the earthen dam. Of course they would have to find real bedrock this time. Probably doesn't exist anywhere near there.

    Ask TEPCO to build them a temporary ice-wall. But ice expands, huh?

  • tinfoilhatbrian tinfoilhatbrian

    Of course anyone with a few brain cells to rub together would agree the situation with these sub-standard damns and ready to blow if anything goes wrong makeshift reactors would be in a big dam hurry to shut down the time-bombs and remove or replace the half-assed could crumble anytime, dam damns!..or is it damn dams? Whatever it takes! Joking aside the potential could be as bad or worse than fukyalshima!

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      Disaster Capitalism in it's finest hour…and we get to go along for the ride.

      You know…they DO need to get rid of some of that "really expensive to cask" spent fuel that they have been hoarding in all those over stuffed devils pools.

      The dam burst might save them some $$$.

  • jec jec

    HUMM. First of all, most local communities should have risk maps, per FEMA. And evt FEMA has those flood maps..they have to for flood insurance..so if curious:
    FEMA publishes maps indicating a community’s flood hazard areas and the degree of risk in those areas. Flood insurance maps are usually on filein a local repository in the community, such as the planning and zoning or engineering offices in the town hall or the county building.
    In addition, you can order maps online or by writing, telephoning, or faxing a
    request to the FEMA Map Service Center: http://www.msc.fema.gov, P.O. Box 3617,Oakton, Virginia 22124-9617
    Tel: (877) 336-2627 Fax: (703) 212-4090
    E-mail: MSCservices@riskmapcds.com

    And who is responsible for damages (like who pays for it?)..TVA..the ratepayers. So for any property owners..I would get my property evaluations current, flood insurance, and keep my homeowners records safe away from any flood zone areas. Same for critical personal papers. Once property is damaged or 'flooded out'..its going to be hard to reconstruct.

    FEMA has the flood areas mapped out, and must provide the info so homeowners can get insurance..And I would get it now..cause basic flood zone out of the flood plains is cheap. Of course is FEMA is aware of the dangers due to the potential dam failure of Boone (or other dams)..prices may be going up…

    • Price for flood insurance went up 500% this year.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Hey! Give me your money! Do this now! 🙁

      • Haidagwaii Haidagwaii

        Flood insurance is useless. It is capped in the small print. AND if it from a collasped damn. Than it doesn't even cover it. This is what was done in the Green River in WA State. If water damage occurs from a collapsing damn, the insurance has an out, it only covers natural water damage. Also, for the Green River (Howard Hansen Damn), they cap the payout and it is first allocated to "KEY" infrastructure providers. In the Green River valley that would be Boeing. Boeing has several large facilities in the flood plane. Damage to Boeing facilities in the Green River would be billions. Don't waste money on Fema insurance.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    There are seven nuclear plants downstream.
    Seven!
    The TVA is sooo out of control.
    Tennessee! All due respect, but have you seen the place?
    Absolutely nothing going on.
    A few farms.
    Some hills.
    Don't need nuclear power for nuttin'. 😉

    Could always sell it.
    Private ownership of nuclear power plants is such a good idea, as we've seen at Tepco.
    What could go wrong.
    Oh, a sinkhole in a dam, perhaps?

    http://reason.org/blog/show/gilroy-tva-privatization-heartland

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Decommission the unneeded and unwanted nuclear plants.

    Problem solved.

  • Nick

    Is this what is meant by "flush with cash?"

    As in, the TVA might flush away cash cows?

    I suggest a thorough analysis of this sink-hole problem.

    If the risk assessment warrants Dam draindown further, it should be done. No hemming and hawing for the boat owners up river/lake.

    Better yet, decommission any and all nuclear reactors planetwide 🙂

    It is not going to get easier as time rolls on, that crap about univented technology is the siren song of the GNI.

  • Ki11more Ki11more

    surely they could just scrunch up some old newspapers and stuff it in the hole…..that'll work… (sarc)

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Worked for New Orleans, and it's good for the 'conomy.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        18 trillion heading to 200 trillion in debt…states clearly for everyone watching.. there is no 'conomy! 🙁
        http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        • bowling

          Let us get real Obewan speaks. A country floating on nuclear wastes with 20,000 aging nuclear weapons theyll never use and building 2 huge new hydrogen bomb factories as we speak. A country whose entire west coast is on a dead ocean, a dead ocean caused by a fake world destroying human invention that started 70 years ago. A fake economy that is based on that whole phoney premise that supposed boosted us into developed country status and has poisoned the world so thoroughly. ITS like a hardcore drunk who wakes up detoxed and realizing he had no life. THERE was never any economy with this phoney nuclear death around. TIME to wake up try to clean it up give up the nuclear bottle of whiskey and reset

          • GOM GOM

            It's all been a void hasn't it. I woke up long ago and realized this is just a matrix for the idol rich.
            Did you know they refer to themselves as " the lucky sperm club"?

            your summation of america is dead on. .

  • bowling

    I had seemed to me we were living in a parralel.universe when george w bush started wars everywhere foe no reason and 911 happened. Then fukushima occured and i knew my whole interpretation of reality had always been wrong. everyone outside of enenews needs to wtfu

  • jackassrig

    Someone stated above they thought the nuc plants are using the lake water for cooling. I think the dam is providing a positive head to the down stream plants to provide cooling water. This saves much pumping costs. I bet TVA can not lower the water more than they have because the intake to the aqueduct supplying water to the plants would uncover. If the leak under the dam continues, erosion will increase the flow and if action is not taken soon the leak may cause the level to drop to the point where the dam will collapse or the intakes will uncover. We all know what happens if cooling is lost. TVA should as a precautionary measure rig pumps near the plants to pull water from the river for cooling.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      That would be correct and all these Nuclear Poison Cancer Causing Machines/Factories need to be shut down anyway. Save the money on pumps and pull all the licenses for their operation. Remove the fuel and then simply bulldoze all the building down as you fix the leak and/or drain the dam.

      It's over for Nuclear, since this technology is a vile dirty technology that does not belong on this planet!

      Bam! Here you go another 32 year old cancer death ..gone! Shut them all down now!
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068188/Alysha-St-Germain-reveals-children-came-terms-death-husband-moving-tiny-house.html

    • Sickputer

      The feds could build a huge diverter dam wall to protect the nuclear reactor buildings. And cask and remove the cooler spent fuel rods. But that would admit the industry is dangerous to humans. So they won't save America.

      So we all sit and wait for the next nuclear meltdown. Eventually after a few more countries are destroyed like Japan the nucleoapes will be personna non grata. Scorned by all the victims just like the Japanese people hate their nuclear pariahs.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        No they won't save America..

      • +1

        Good idea.

        The Nuclear Industry will do anything or in some cases, do nothing, in order to preserve the illusion/delusion that Nuclear Power is cheap and safe. They will do this at all cost… even lives.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          This world is heading directly towards 2 billion death by cancer lives lost in the next 80 years! 🙁

          How many lives taken by cancer death.. are enough?

          • bowling

            probably in thenext 5 years obe. i worked on an oncological unit and as a.medical toxicologist. take my word 5 to 10 years

          • GOM GOM

            So would that population reduction meet the Georgia Guidestone guidelines?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              no GOM, it doesnt even stop population growth. For the excellent vision of a hugely reduced human population living in harmony with nature, as per the guidestones, massive birth control and education is required in developing countries. Since the old rely on the young, the difficulty lies in ramping down the population.

              http://www.truthmove.org/workspace/photos-content/WorldPopulationGraph_yearPre7000BCto2025AD_metalAges_703x578.jpg

              Isnt the population during, say, the Italian Renaissance a sufficient number of people? What are we doing now with our obscene numbers that is just SOO GREAAAT?

              http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Last_judgement.jpg/800px-Last_judgement.jpg

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                That last pic is interesting Code..humanity as an empty shell..or something..don't know what was ment by the artist..but it fit's..

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  DID, its Michelangelo's Last Judgement. Supposedly its Saint Bartholomew holding his own skin that was flayed from him and the skin is a self-portrait of Michelangelo (?).

                  It is part of a large fresco. The original art had almost all figures nude. The church had their panties up the crotch and so had the nude bits painted over. Such papal dictates being expressed in the perverse pedophilia rampant in the abrahamic religions hundreds of years later

                  The last judgement turned out to be made by the impersonal forces of nature and the the judgement is in; yep, man was sure as hell stupid to poison the well for profit

                  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Yep..stupid to begin with..weak and greedy enough to continue..evil enough to defend and lie about it.. devilish enough to keep expanding it..

              • irhologram

                I just don't understand this mindset. I don't see where you get your stats. The U.S. has a replacement birthdate of 1.4. That means with disease, accidents, and disaster,, about 1 person is going forward for every 2. That's one reason the borders are open IMHO, to fudge this stat. Plus the stats are the same throughout the developed world. In third world countries from whom we STOLE clean water, clean air and natural resources, MANY children are NEEDED in order to preserve the lives and wisdom of the aging.

                Anyone can prove out these numbers for yourselves. You can research the fact that food for everyone is quite doable now…But is not being distributed evenly or is left to rot…what's the stat in the U.S. …I think it's 40% just left to rot or paid to lie fallow. I am so tired of looking up these stats for people who post without links… Please watch the movie "Thrive," available free on the Internet.

                I was doing just fine living in harmony with nature, thank you very much. I don't need some allegedly esoteric, mystical, freakin' stone cold sacrificial looking slab to intimidate me into thinking I have to begin some death logic overlay as to how many can survive in a life boat and who should we throw overboard first!

                Sorry to get so steamed, but you do realize you're talking murder here, right? IN THE WORDS OF ELVIS…DON'T BE CRUEL.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  irholo, there will be no meeting of minds on this. If there were 8 billion hyenas or wild boars or wildebeest or lions running through the city streets, it wouldnt work out. Which beast would you choose, which would you elect to have the prime land use? 8 Billion alligators, or 8 billion human?

                  How many wildebeest? 1.5 million? For every one wildebeest living in harmony with nature, there are 5000 humans. Are the humans (at least you) living in sustainable harmony with nature just because you say so? Not all agree with you.

                  Everywhere I go there are too many people. So many species of bird and fish are 95% gone already. Did you notice? Care?

                  But for you folks that love bumping shoulders with people instead of other wildlife…the people who cant seem to get enough of people…then maybe squeezing out the gorilla, elephants, birds, lions, netting all the fish seems like a good idea. More people needed to support the people! Hell yeah

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    If humans don't get a grip on themselves, it's just suicide, on a grand scale.

                    The murder is towards all the other life on Earth.

                    Here, take my hand, we're almost to the edge.

                    Run. When I say three, jump….

                  • irhologram

                    Give stats code. It's so easy. Give me links: show me the live births are even breaking even in the U.S. Pop. You can't show that. As for the alligators, wildebeests, lions, gorillas, elephants, birds, and fish, what are you TALKING about? They are dead from the same things killing us!

                    ! BUT in the sea and elsewhere, outdoor living is AT PRESENT gassing populations, and WE didn't collectively DO THIS. Get over yourself! The earth is bigger than you. Yes, radiation, God now help us all, but also toxic atmospheric gas releasing in clathrate melts on ice caps in solar system planet's ice caps and their moons, as well. Ummm. I Do NOT hold myself responsible for Phoebos!

                    Poachers are in the mix. Kill the poachers, don't kill citizens.

                    "No meeting of minds on this"? Oh! You got that right! You're in the camp with Bill Gates. My very pores send out a quivering chill.

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    Go bigger, the rest of the planet's population is included…

                    Not just US…

                    But as one is falling, one eye open, one eye closed, someone yells from the top, "We can save you for the low price of $100,000…"

                    "You're worth it!"

                    Cancer Drug Spending Tops $100 Billion, Up 10% in a Year

                    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/cancer-drug-spending-tops-100-billion-10-year-n353911

                    • irhologram

                      Jebus. You research the " bigger" stats yourself. (Or maybe you meant on cancer and not population…if so this reply isn't for you.) I AM tired of providing your links for this forum when you have opinions and no back up. The developed world's birth rate is DOWN. I have supplied this story and links before. The impoverished world NEEDS children in order to survive.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I only jumped in to predict that you just want to argue. 🙂

                      Night IR…

                    • irhologram

                      I just want to argue when eugenics is at stake? Well, isn't that an interesting proposition!

                      Think how that would look, when when discussed tomorrow. IR was argumentative by insisting on statistics to prove the need for murdering segments of an already diminishing population.

                      I think I am beginning to understand Dana's insights about some here.

                      Sigh.

                      But guess what? I don't car

                    • irhologram

                      Reply to code, sorry no more boxes. The mother jones link was from 2000. Please post the current birth/death rate for developed nations.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Simply put nothing else matters more for everything, all life, than the very ecosystem, a viable one, EARTH, so that the fuckers can even practice eugenics, or have children in…

                    • irhologram

                      Jebus nothing else matters more for everything, all life, than the very ecosystem,
                      Now there we have a match.

                      The problem is, you have not seemed to see TWO ELEs, radioactive, electrified atmosphere, DNA fail, disease, mutation, and infertility… And more volcanism gas releases than EVER in recorded history, with the most accompanying climate extreme EVER in recorded history, and what is being IGNORED in our record, people are dying at such a rate, it is likely affecting employment numbers.

                      Please look at the two reseach pieces I did and posted here, so far for only Las Vegas/Reno and Baltimore MD. We have a naturally, ongoing poisoning that's going to take out enough of us to satisfy the murder-lust of eugenists in any case (by the way, was I next? How did you determine to decide who lives and who dies?)

                      Yes, it's taking down the animals first. They live outdoors and don't use filters. OK. I would take a moose into my house. I would (Smile) you're on the wrong track here.

                      We're dying already here. No need to kill us.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      There is no population growth. Radiation and other toxins are producing sterility, excess deaths, and mutated babies.

                      For 7 pages of studies of population decline:
                      http://www.scribd.com/doc/104585200/What-Population-Growth

                      Link provided by MaidenHeaven.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      “…Japan faces a substantial problem: impending demographic collapse. …”
                      http://www.businessinsider.com/japans-demographic-collapse-hurts-military-2014-11

                      Japan’s Population Shrinking Faster Than Ever; Radioactivity & Pacific Salmon
                      Submitted by IWB, on January 2nd, 2015
                      http://investmentwatchblog.com/fukushima-news-1115japans-population-shrinking-faster-than-ever-radioactivity-pacific-salmon/

                      Japanese population sees record decline in 2014; births may dip below 1 million
                      http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201501020031

                      Japan sees its largest population drop ever recorded (VIDEO)
                      Published: January 2nd, 2013
                      “Japan sees largest population drop in more than a century
                      “Japan’s population dropped to 127.47 million in 2012, marking the largest natural decline since statistics began in 1899, according to government estimates.
                      “[…] the natural population decline, which is calculated by deducting the number of births from the number of deaths, hit a record 212,000 for 2012.

                      “The number of births in 2012 was down 18,000 from the previous year, dropping to 1.033 million, the lowest number since 1899 […]…”
                      http://enenews.com/japan-sees-its-largest-population-drop-ever-recorded-video

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Scientists: Fukushima radiation is causing “serious biological effects” — Disaster’s widespread impact now being revealed — “Major irreversible shifts” in ecosystems discussed — “High rates of abnormality and mortality”… severe damage to humans next? (PHOTOS)
                      Published: August 14th, 2014
                      http://enenews.com/scientists-reveal-serious-biological-effects-fukushima-radiation-widespread-impacts-population-declines-genetic-damage-high-rates-abnormality-mortality-species-significantly-impacted-disaster

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Ukraine's Population in Rapid Decline
                      With ultra-low fertility rates and high death rates, Ukraine will experience the single largest absolute population loss in Europe between 2011 and 2020.
                      http://blog.euromonitor.com/2012/05/ukraines-population-in-rapid-decline.html

                      http://euromonitor.typepad.com/.a/6a01310f54565d970c0163057165bb970d-pi

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      “…The fertility decline was evident in Europe, North America, and Oceania throughout the latter part of the twentieth century, with fertility rates at or below the replacement level of 2.1 children per women. By the year 2000, most Asian and Latin American countries had entered a transition toward lower fertility, and by the start of the twenty-first century, some low-fertility countries had adopted policies to reverse the declines. Many of the countries that had not shown fertility declines were located in sub-Saharan Africa. In addition to high infant mortality rates, mortality among the working-age population in Africa was also high as a result of the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) epidemic, which was having a profound and detrimental impact….”
                      http://science.jrank.org/pages/7621/Demography.html

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      UK – Shocking increase in respiratory problems due to Nuclear incidents from Fukushima and The Budapest Medical Isotope Inst.
                      http://nuclear-news.net/2013/04/23/uk-shocking-increase-in-respirtory-problems-due-to-nuclear-incidents-from-fukushima-and-the-budapest-medical-isotope-inst/

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I've scripted an rss page on my HA server for over five years.

                      US Population Estimate: 315,802,398 at 23:01 UTC (EST+5) May 05, 2015

                      World Population Estimate: 7,238,235,547 at 23:01 UTC (EST+5) May 05, 2015

                      It's overall going up, no matter the clusters of populations receding.

                      If you look at the very good article that AirSepTech posted, you see that in approximately eight years we, all of us, the wold, the planet, are at eight billion served…

                      No matter how, humans have to figure that one out. The rock is finite.

                      LOL, Go Elon!, Go SpaceX!, if ya wanna save 'em all…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      So Airsep they are seeing 9.5 billion by 2050?

                      With most of that growth in/coming out of Africa.

                      Now will all the Africans have what we have now and if they do where are all those resources required going to come from if they are all trashed with Nuclear Radiation Contamination?

                      Certainly it's the massive amount of pollution that the human Zeitgeist Matrix creates that is the overall problem amongst the many other belief systems that pushed us to this point of a trashed planet.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Atoms for Each…

                      Maybe that's the plan?

                      You can't have any iphones if you don't eat your atoms!

                      You have to have a robust diverse economy to achieve the prosperity and cancer treatments, that nuclear brings to life…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      That first chart is growth rate, not gross population…

                    • irhologram

                      OK Jebus. Let's say you are unwilling to Alleviate the suffering that makes underdeveloped people's (nations rich in natural resources we robbed) need for progengy to survive.

                      You UP!

                      Game show: which populations will you make infertile? Short term: from which segments, groups of people or age groups should we withhold food and water? (You know they are doing that right now, right? {my Dad was targeted by U.S. Hospitialists' death squads!})

                      Wake UP! People who want to kill you are the enemy. They make you want to kill others who 'Scuse the intolerable reference, do not even need to be killed for quota.

                      THIS is a series question. If you don't answer if you disqualify to continur in the discussion. WHO WILL YOU KILL OR STERILZE FIRST in numbers significant enough to make a difference?

                    • bowling

                      what makes people think our planet can take anymore garbage people pollution radiation when our genomenome.is almost already ruined?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Whatever projections you post, Fukushima has changed all of that. The current amount of nuclear and other radiation in the world will keep increasing the next 250,000 years.

                      There are many other causes of population decline, and they are part of the toxic soup that will accelerate population decline exponentially.

                      When the next dam breaks in the US, how many will that kill?

                      There may be no people left on earth at all 30 years from now. There is no longer any clean air, water, or land any where on the earth.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      lol! It's not my choice.

                      All I have is an observation.

                      By choice or not, the math just doesn't work out in this one planet's favor.

                      The only way that I can help, at this tipping point, is to not live forever…

                      Every planetwide choice humans make, must have the Earth as top priority…

                      Only one begets the other…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Absolutely agree anne, no one gets to predict the future as fact…

                    • bowling

                      Some people do not understand basic logic or science very well or perhaps they have other motives for coming to enenews.

                    • bowling

                      whoa somebody makes suggestions about how ir just likes to argue and other things and aunavoz shows up. very interesting

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      There are 2 political/philosophical arguments to this discussion. You can not believe in both. Pick 1.

                      Exponential Growth is:

                      1) Good
                      2) Bad

                      I pick 2 after much study. It is what is happening currently.

                      Fuku may well change things up, but regardless, we are well on our way to "half full". Next step is overflow.

                      If you understand EG, it will change or confirm what/how/why things are, as they are.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Just think about the number of shopping malls we will need in the year 2050!

                      Best we bury/dump all the shopping trash directly into the Pacific Ocean with everything else we are now dumping into it.

                      The fish have no clue what all the trash is, since they do not shop or speak human! 🙂

                      In fact last I checked no other species besides mankind on this planet even goes shopping or creates any trash!
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLZ_Zy1VhMI

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      from a distance, that chart is rippin' cool!

                      THANKS

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      as PT says; There is no longer any clean air, water, or land any where on the earth.

                      That makes all arguments moot. Like the kitchen in the Titanic bickering about how many guests comfortably fit in the galley.

                      But we keep hearing about the guide-stones. oooh the stones. Here is Yoko Onos musical inspiration on it

                      https://soundcloud.com/yokoono/georgia-stone

                      IRholo, I said I know your argument and the population trends, more or less. I reject 1000 people per mile average in India purely on aesthetic grounds, equally for ecological. 90/mi^2 in the U.S. is too much. Maybe you dont remember what it was like to go to the beach when there were 1/3 as many people. I do

                      Yours is an unbridled anthropocentric sunday social view, mine is poetic, grieving for all babies of every species yet to be born

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Yes obe and jebus, more IS more. If you believe the science/math of EG, then you know 1/2 is the LAST multiple before disaster strikes.

                      Once it is over the top, it is a problem beyond compare.

                      The doc on youtube with the EG lecture is a mindblower. Takes some time to wrap your head around.

                    • from a distance from a distance

                      YW AirSepTech – they also have one for the United States, showing real-time births and deaths

                      https://2f5553c27b4a1eaa4c181720e143fb92b5c72544.googledrive.com/host/0B2GQktu-wcTiZlAyTTFEaFVuOUk/

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Fukushima will be responsible for one billion deaths of babies alone, based on the babies who died in India because of atmospheric atomic bomb testing.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      India’s Plummeting Birthrate: A Television-Induced Transformation?
                      http://www.geocurrents.info/population-geography/indias-plummeting-birthrate-a-television-induced-transformation

                      Wake up. It's the radiation.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I have read over the various links in this discussion. The arguments for negative population growth are not convincing. Immigrants flood the EU and US and India and Africa keep cranking out babies.

                      From the studies on depleted uranium and nuke downwinders, I can believe that radiation, in combination with hormone disrupting plastics and toxic pesticides is reducing fertility. Social factors also have an influence.

                      Its not enough. Human population is 6x too large any way you look at it. The answer lies in capping off the 72 thousand cubic meters of sperm produced every day, eagerly hunting down a fecund receptacle.

                      It would be the worst tragedy if nuclear poison is the one thing that reduces the population by 85% because the remaining 15% would soon follow. Will nuclear apocalypse be averted? Doubtful

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Al Bartlet on exponential growth

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCm2QQZVYk

                      This was the error in so called capitalism economy. Of course it was oligarch/fascist from the get go, but sorcerers apprentice of exploitation then making money on money is pure folly when thinking of the next seven generations

                      Anyway, if you are concerned about declining population, dont worry because more and more will be born with two heads

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Yes Code, Prof. B has his shit together.

                      Apply it to everything/anything and you will loose sleep at night.

                      It is how we think, bigger is better. More of a good thing, save it, hoard it.
                      We can not stop. Less is bad. More is good

                      Many of those charts were 'percent of growth'. It is declining, but, above 1/2%. Not much. What?
                      Compounded 35yrs, it is way over 1.5BIL. It is insane, 2bil with no clean h2o, power, lack of food, today.

                      We can not build the infrastructure fast enough to keep up, if we could, it would just get bigger, faster.
                      Exponential Growth.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Africa's population is declining due to AIDS:

                      http://skyblue.utb.edu/paullgj/geog3320/lectures/South_Africa_Growth_Rates.gif
                      Africa – 1940's – 1950 – many countries still phase I
                      " HIV infection rates over 40% in Zambia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, South Africa
                      Slide back to Stage 1 – Sierra Leone, life expectancy about 30 yrs….”
                      http://skyblue.utb.edu/paullgj/geog3320/lectures/populationgeography.html

                      The Middle East is getting decimated with depleted uranium.

                      The nuclear industry claims the myth of population growth because then we might need nuclear energy. But the truth is that the nuclear radiation is killing of everyone and everything. There is no way nuclear energy could ever supply a lot of energy, and the use of nuclear energy is ensuring that there will never be a need for more energy.

                      Solar energy alone could already supply 4 times the world's total needed energy.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      PT, can you not understand your own post?

                      http://skyblue.utb.edu/paullgj/geog3320/lectures/South_Africa_Growth_Rates.gif

                      This shows positive growth, a lot. Huge amount. An increase of 86%. How do the wealthy get and stay that way? Compounded interest.

                      A group of people, a town, sticks, baseballs, dollars, whatever. 1,000,000

                      1,000,000 x 1.8%(compounded)=1,860,000+
                      35yrs x 1.8% average is what that chart is for non-AIDS.

                      How about the AIDS line? Clearly much more than .5% average growth over 35yrs.
                      1,000,000 x.5%(compounded)x35yrs=1,190,000

                      That would be a 20% gross increase.

                      Now ask yourself, is Africa's population more, or less, over the last 35 years?

                      Number of AIDS victims, more, or less?

                      Helpful calculator:
                      http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/financial/compound-interest-calculator.php

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      The pink line is definitely going down.

                      And the black line at the end is much lower than at the beginning of the graph.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      If you look at the explanation of the graph on the page just above the graph you get:

                      • Phase 1: birth rate is high, death rate as high as birth rate; growth rate is low/less than 1% per year. Epidemics, famine; population fluctuates. Europe middle ages – Black death
                      No stage I countries 1960-1995
                      Latin America – 1920's – Guatemala, low birth rate
                      Africa – 1940's – 1950 – many countries still phase I
                      HIV infection rates over 40% in Zambia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, South Africa
                      Slide back to Stage 1 – Sierra Leone, life expectancy about 30 yrs.
                      http://skyblue.utb.edu/paullgj/geog3320/lectures/populationgeography.html

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      PT, I realize you do not understand. The chart is history. In a graph. I used 1.8% as an average, per the graph.

                      So here is the reality numerically:
                      http://www.geohive.com/earth/his_proj_africa.aspx

                      And a calc to follow the chart you provided. Clearly above 1.8%, even 2.2% and that is 2010, 5 years ago.
                      http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/financial/compound-interest-calculator.php

                      Again, this is history.

                      'The pink line is definitely going down.
                      And the black line at the end is much lower than at the beginning of the graph.'

                      And this means there is growth, a positive increase, without any doubt. Africa has more then doubled its population in 30 years.

                      I am not here to beat you up, if you don't understand I hope this helps.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            2 billion ? Obe , i doubt that it stop's there.. are all the meltdown's that are waiting/bound/setup/protected by TPTB to happen incalculated ?
            Exponential..the show has hardly begun..
            I'm starting to have a really hard time believing it is NOT ALL done on purpose.. so many on fault lines..fracking close by..dam's.. gaspipes and NPP's..

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              Science seem's to be/become in agreement that power corrupt's , and psychopath's dwell very well at the top of capitalistic structure's..
              Maybe it's time to investigate now if an excess amount of power and wealth not also automatically trigger's the mind in to Hatred for the less powerfull..
              And i'm talking real mindcontrolling hatred , the kind that lead's to it's own demise in the process..
              Like building NPP's in the worst possible spot's and dynamic's of circumstances..

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              DID, its done on purpose…to make money. NPPs have to be built next to the ocean or on rivers and that is where a great amount of fault lines are. The loosely knit oil and nuke cabal are smart enough to pollute the world to oblivion but dumb enough to do it, not thinking about the consequences.

              I talked with a deep land driller and a BP engineer, a nuclear health physicist and a fracker. None of them thought there was any problem! Man; not a three step thinker… we need non psychopathic chess players in power

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Maybe your right..i don't know..it's becoming hard to believe it's just that..looking from a distance at the whole setup..

        • irhologram

          Bowling! I have been here since 2010. And you? I "show up" when I have something to offer. I do not use this internationally respected blog as a way to " bond" with like agendas or personalities…If I have nothing to forward the progression of the inquiry, I keep my mouth shut. I don't fault you for making this a social page.

          I don't think it's useful for you to fault me for using this forum for real information, at which time, I, as you say, "show up." You got a problem with me "showing up" only when I have something useful to offer?

  • bowling

    Our country and world is so saturated with radiation and nuclear waste now the pacific ocean is dead. One shoddy dam stands between a lake and radioactive oblivion. If the dam went an ELE will occur very quickly because the whole world will go up like in a conflagration as if it isnt close enough already with the worthless bombs rattletrap reactors and idiotic machines that will not work. There will not be any cell phones to distract us no interact no microsoft windows. NO cars to go shopping.

    Nuclear energy is a burn everything to the ground ponzi scheme. A psychotic fraudster arsonist dream where the criminal steal everyone blind and then try to burn everything down and kill everyone so they cannot be convicted. The only problem with their psycho criminal plan is that they are killing themselves too. THE WHOLE industry is build on a scorched earth destroy the world policy and kill thing on earth policy. THE WORST POSSIBLE MOST PSYCHOTIC MASS MURDERERS flimflam killers and gamblers

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Thank God I won't have to die from Japanese fallout. Buy AMERICAN!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    People are dying from cancers and others are dropping dead all over the place.

    Good luck with that one.

  • bowling

    Lmao unincredulous. Thats so sick that I think Iam gonna die laughing! The frogs know!

  • bowling

    yep let the dam fail and then them 7 old rattletrap reactors with their ton on high level rods melt down, explode, and burnup because there will be a lot more american fallout for the most part and we can all be fininshed off with a mix of slightly more american fallout

  • Speaking of NPPs/dams, This one begins refueling today. >The Columbia Generation Station (CGS), Washington’s only remaining commercial reactor, sits inside the Department of Energy’s Hanford Nuclear Reservation, a former nuclear weapons production site that spreads over 586 square miles. The CGS facility, which extends over 1,089 acres (1.7 square miles), is the sole survivor of a planned five-reactor complex proposed by the Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS). Powered by a General Electric Mark II boiling water reactor, CGS (originally dubbed the Washington Nuclear Power Unit 2, or WNP-2) began operating in December 1984, a mere 15 miles north of Richland, Washington.<

    • WPPSS Columbia Generating Station Nuclear Power is 200% More Expensive Than Other Energy Sources, Still Claims It is Cheapest Energy Source, Ignores 2.5 Billion Financial Bond Disaster
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/10/wppss-columbia-generating-station.html

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      These people are now in serious trouble and need to shut this one down instead of refueling this piece of Nuclear junk.

      Now past it's original design basis and a big money loser from the get go! 🙁 Bend over baby! Smile!
      http://www.psr.org/chapters/oregon/assets/pdfs/q-a-on-mccullough-research.pdf

    • License Expires: 2023 but guess what. >On May 22, 2012, NRC re-licensed the nearly 30-year-old CGS reactor to continue
      operating for another 30 years. The new license was granted despite the fact that the plant’s seismic evaluation was still in the works.< >At CGS (as at Fukushima) the facility was designed to store dangerously radioactive spent fuel rods in a pool placed near the top the structure, 100 feet above the ground.< >the containment structure surrounding the CGS Mark II reactor was too small to contain the buildup of extreme heat, pressure and
      explosive hydrogen gas in the event of an incident. The NRC has acknowledged that the Mark II containment capacity is only one-sixth the size of standard containment structures in pressurized water reactors<
      >In March 2013, the NRC ordered plant operators to install hardened vents at 31 US reactors. The cost to Energy Northwest was estimated to range between $25 and $30 million. Energy Northwest says it plans to install the vents during the next fuel outage in 2015 or in 2017. The new vents will not have filters.<
      >CGS is one of 34 reactors, one third of the US fleet, at risk from the collapse of upstream dams. A 41-page study that revealed the danger was suppressed by NRC officials.

      (Sorry many of my early notes were gathered with no links to them or some no longer work)

  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    "Security concerns"? Security of the people or security of the mic?
    Any time national security is brought up that person and his agency should be subject to a congressional investigation.

  • This is worth a laugh…this troll is the exact same troll as on ENE, he followed me over to another news site immediately after I posted a link here at ENE….

    Nuke Pro Entraps a Troll In It's Own Lies, With The Trolls Own Link Gosh Golly, stock Hands Him His Asshat
    The whole interchange can be seen here, which you should visit and drop a comment also

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/05/nuke-pro-entraps-troll-in-its-own-lies.html

  • bowling

    Just think, the mark 1 general electric reactors in japan that melted down blewup and had their fuel pools burn up now make the cost of nuclear power over a billion dollars a kilowatt hour in every.home that uses nuclear power. We have lost a 900 quadrillion dollar ocean over it. A few billion people whose cancer bills will.be 999 trillion dollars. All that west coast property that is really worthless now. All that sushi. Nuclear power was always at least a million dollars a kilowatt hour if you.count all the waste death birth defect and cancer death. if the dam goes and the 7 reactors go nuclear power will be costin a trillion dollars a kilowatt.hour. Those accountants that qork.for.nuclear must be pretty smart. Then there is all that uranium they mine and process and use gasoline to.haul and the waste it produces. The most renewable fuel on earth. Not. It really cost a few million dollars an ounce when all is said and done. Its the least renewable. Way more expensive than platinum.

  • Sam Sam

    a 50 mile evacuation zone from Watts Bar NPP downstream from the dam
    would include more than a million people. The entire complex at Oak Ridge
    would need to be evacuated as well as Fort Knox (irradiated Gold- empty vaults?)
    If you include all 7 dams then millions more impacted.
    Socref et aliases is out of Oakridge. Since he is within the zone perhaps he is
    having second thoughts about it now. Do need to drain the damn, shut
    down the reactors and make sure there is sufficient back up power to keep
    things running in case there is a damn break.
    Go look at the evacuation zone map for this area.http://www.psr.org/resources/evacuation-zone-nuclear-reactors.html

    • GOM GOM

      Sam
      I would seriously order an evac. But everyone is missing the big picture. There is something they don't want you to see. Please see my post below.
      To see seismic activity regarding the LA sinkhole, go to Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle.
      take care

  • Nick

    My other grandfather (who died before any grandchildren were born) worked for the REA up until the day he died.

    I am not sure what his take on nuclear power would have been, but he clearly was privy to the TVA's dams, etc.

    Although he spent tireless hours bringing electricity to rural areas (helped with land deals) he craved weekend (and vacation) get aways in areas NOT serviced by electrical wires.

    Somehow he knew a non-electrified experience was a special event.

    He could have wired properties he bought but chose to remain "primitive" (not even modern plumbing!).

    To this day, his offspring manage properties that have bi-laws that basically "forbid" electricity (except for small scale solar battery units).

    All of us are better for the electrical free experience.

    Try it.

  • GOM GOM

    Sinkholes don't just 'appear'. They are caused by cave-ins. Something caused the cave-in. Now what do we know geographically about what's under the Reservoir? (Dam)
    G.E. built it's reactors on a river bed, so before this reservoir was filled, we must backtrack to find the root cause. And check on any seismic activity under the dam. Also, is it releasing gases? Do they see 'bubbles'? Bubbles would indicate gas leaking. We have bubbles in the swamps here, not good.

    Case in point: Bayou Corne is nothing more than salt domes. When Texas Brine filled them with toxic chemicals, the salt/toxins ate away at the walls causing collapse.
    With that said, the sinkhole took years to grow and is releasing gases, oil, toxic mix chemicals..

    The BP blowout was the direct cause of the Louisiana sinkhole. She's mic activity is constant. Lake Pontchartrain is now involved. If the sinkhole blows it will be the equivalent of Hiroshima or probably worse. I live within the detonation zone of this thing and I watch it closely. I also fear that the gas leaks are causing respiratory issues here. I getting out in October.

  • Nick

    Dams do give way…

    http://www.damsafety.org/news/?p=412f29c8-3fd8-4529-b5c9-8d47364c1f3e

    Maybe folks downstream need to rethink fission piles and fools' pools being located downstream of ANY dam?

    My risk assessment brain-assisted computer model keeps flashing warning signs, especially with MORE human induced frack-quakes!

    • GOM GOM

      Frack-quake that caused cave-in, that caused sinkhole? IF this is a sinkhole causing leaks. If it is leaking. This happened in what, 2014? What if they are crying sinkhole because of shoddy dam building?
      I'm guessing this is NOT a sinkhole. They are hiding something.

      • irhologram

        There are 100s, if not thousands of new sinkholes in TN. Google them. This area is not a fracking zone. The earthen dam is holding. The erosion is from sediment beneath. When it swallows the parking lot entirely, it can officially be a sinkhole. Right now it's karst erosion. It WILL become a sinkhole. Yes, it was first noticed in Oct. 2014.

        • GOM GOM

          Ir
          sandstone, limestone, intra-plate faults, part concrete, part earth & fill..thats the dam site. friend of mine used to live there, says they built up that region too quickly.

        • Haidagwaii Haidagwaii

          Simple thought. As we lower our water table/aquifers NATIONALLY. Things will start to sink everywhere. Simple enough.

  • Sam Sam

    The big question is the amount of risk
    taking in the calculations. Who is
    in charge here? Sinkholes under the
    damn would be catastrophic.
    Any calc. on how long it would take
    to draw down that damn?
    Is there sufficient water after drawdown to cool the spent
    fuel pools on the seven plants downstream.
    In the meantime the dangers keeps escalating.

    • GOM GOM

      Sam
      If they did empty the reservoir, AND there was a sinkhole, the question would be who built it? Liability starts [remember WTC] They would have to shut down reactors immediately. Stock holders pissed. Energy rates soar. Evacuation downstream. Lawsuits emerge.
      The people who live in this area are nothing more than country folk, prime targets.

      That's a lot of stuff to deal with. Either way they are hiding something. These sneaky SOB'S are the worst of humanity.

    • @ Sam, info from last October is one *rate of drop possible* that I found… 'Over the course of the next 11 days, McCormick said the TVA will be bringing down the water level about 11 more feet to the necessary mark of 1,362 feet, which is what he calls the “winter pool” level. The rate at which the TVA can drop the lake maxes out at 2 feet per day and 7 feet for the week.'

      This was in October 2014…references to locals concern about would their boats or docks be high and dry soon and for how long…sports and tourism type local chatter, if I remember right.

  • Nick

    Maybe sunspot AR2335, which is moving into a geo-effective position as we speak, will unleash a CME towards earth.

    Heck, we can't predict when the next Carrington Event will take place.

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/

    Suffice it to say, back-up systems to back-up systems will fail.

    Dam ooze … is the least of our worries.

    Time for geologists and hydrologists to frantically power-point each other as they seek a solution to "The Seep."

  • Wow, man; seven reactors. And nobody seems to be paying this much attention, either. I suppose this is because NUKE plants are safe and even GOOD for US.

  • irhologram

    You know,,,northeastern TN is one of those "Loud booms, windows shattering, strange sound locations," right? In Johnson City, Morristown, ect…towns in the vicinity…
    http://www.wfla.com/story/27787782/investigation-underway-into-booms-ground-shaking-in-east-tn

    2-3 years previous to the 1811 New Madrid quake, these same booms were reported, louder as time progressed, until they sounded like canons going off.
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/is-the-new-madrid-fault-earthquake-zone-coming-to-life
    One interesting theory is that the “oil volcano” unleashed by the BP oil spill in 2010 may have sparked renewed seismic activity in that part of the world.

    Jack M. Reed, a retired Texaco geologist-geophysicist, has been carefully studying the geology of the Gulf of Mexico for over 40 years. Reed is convinced that the Gulf of Mexico is currently tectonically active, and that the Gulf of Mexico is the source for most seismic activity along the New Madrid fault.

    …If a truly historic earthquake did strike along the New Madrid fault the amount of damage that could be done to surrounding states such as Illinois, Kentucky, Mississippi, Indiana, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas and Tennessee could potentially be unimaginable.

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/is-the-new-madrid-fault-earthquake-zone-coming-to-life

    Yet…allegedly, the New Madrid repeats every 200 years, so it wouldn't even need the BP trigger. Nevertheless, it's now in the mix.

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