Top-Secret Fukushima Interview: All the melted nuclear fuel will escape from containment vessel … it’s completely exposed — Nuclear annihilation of entire eastern part of Japan envisioned

Published: September 12th, 2014 at 3:57 pm ET
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Asahi Shimbun, Sept 12, 2014 (emphasis added): Yoshida feared nuclear ‘annihilation’ of eastern Japan, testimony shows — Plant manager Masao Yoshida envisioned catastrophe for eastern Japan… In his testimony, Yoshida described the condition of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima plant between the evening of March 14, 2011, and the next morning: “Despite the nuclear fuel being completely exposed, we’re unable to reduce pressure. Water can’t get in either.” Yoshida recalled the severity of the situation. “If we continue to be unable to get water in, all of the nuclear fuel will melt and escape from the containment vessel, and radioactive substances from the fuel will spread to the outside… What we envisioned was that the entire eastern part of Japan would be annihilated.”

Japan Times, Sept. 11, 2014: “All of the nuclear materials could escape and spread. Our image was that of a catastrophe for eastern Japan,” he is quoted as saying in the government’s formerly top-secret transcripts of its interviews with him… “This is the part I really don’t want to recall,” Yoshida said…

Yoshida was referring to the situation at the No. 2 reactor on March 14, 2011. Here’s what the final report by the government’s Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations says about the water injection attempts at Unit 2 during that time: “At Unit 2 [it’s] believed that water injection was disabled by about 12:30 [Mar. 14] at the latest. Afterwards… it is believed that core exposure and damage were underway… the seawater that was being sucked up by the fire trucks… was also simultaneously being injected into Unit 3… the thinking is that they were unable to maintain the discharge pressure that was needed by and sufficient for the alternative water injection into Unit 2. From about 19:57…  it is not believed that an adequate water injection flow could be maintained [and] water injection was either not carried out at all or was largely not carried out… the D/W [primary containment vessel’s drywell] pressure plunged rapidly at about 20:03 on March 14. So it can be believed that a leak had appeared in the PCV [primary containment vessel] or its peripherals in the period prior to about 21:55. Such damage as would degrade the containment function occurred to the Unit 2 PCV or its Peripherals between around 13:45 and around 18:10 on March 14 is given sufficient recognition, and there is an exceedingly high possibility that more significant damage occurred.”

According to the government report, “Water injection was either not carried out at all or was largely not carried out.” A report from August 2014 authored by plant operator Tepco assumes that some water was injected into Unit 2, but they conclude this “actually accelerated the melting.” From Tepco’s Press Release: “Unit 2 Pressure Increase and Fuel Melting — In an inquiry into the sequence of events leading to the melting of fuel in the Unit 2 reactor core, the report concludes that the insufficient injection of cooling water into the reactor core by fire engines actually accelerated the melting… [A reaction generated] large amounts of heat, causing pressure in the reactor to rise.”

NHK, Aug 6, 2014 (0:50 in): Water [injected] into Reactor 2… may have reacted with the fuel inside… raising the temperature significantly, and that sped up the meltdown.

Watch the NHK broadcast here

Published: September 12th, 2014 at 3:57 pm ET
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262 comments to Top-Secret Fukushima Interview: All the melted nuclear fuel will escape from containment vessel … it’s completely exposed — Nuclear annihilation of entire eastern part of Japan envisioned

  • “All nuclear fuel will melt and escape from containment vessel”

    Correct. Make that 'vessel' plural however; containment vessels.

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    "We fear nuclear ‘annihilation’ of entire eastern part of Japan"

    Now that is world class optimism, especially as it's looking like they'll lose all of Japan, it's just a matter of time. And even that's being optimistic, as we all know that the entire planet is 'under the hammer' because of the greedy morons.

  • gotta tell y'all… it's hard seeing these reports now when the information had been coming out of Japan in 2011…

  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    A detail that has been missed by most of the media sources is the sheer magnitude of the thermodynamic problem of trying to cool the fuel rods with the main cooling system shut down.

    Keep in mind that there are very large heat transfer systems just to keep a NPP running when everything is working properly.

    The amount of waste heat from a power plant (NPP or coal) is an amount that most people can not imagine.

    It was simply a matter of hours after the quake that the fuel was hot enough that pumping water on to it would create the situation where the water in contact with the fuel would immediately vaporize in to steam.

    Without the means to condense that steam and extract the heat energy out of it, they were left with a situation not unlike pissing on a volcano.

    So then they inherited that problem that all of the steam is highly radioactive and spreading the mess to where ever it was able to vent out of the RPV.

    Hard to imagine that any of the engineers thought that they could actually cool the fuel down enough to solve any of the problem.

    • Sickputer

      fgj typed these pixels of woe: [Like] "pissing on a volcano".

      SP: You said it. They are still fighting nuclear fires like they did 70 years ago…essentially with buckets of water.

      God help Japan…because the nucleoapes certainly can't.

      • All they need is few more leaky buckets, more duct tape (yellow only) and some baling wire, so the homeless people they are hiring can form bucket brigades and dump more ocean water on the steaming, highly radioactive open air corium lava masses, out in the open air.

        That will fix it, right?

        (sarc)

    • name999 name999

      fireguy, I hate the huge lying factory these industries have become.

  • Daisy207

    What will be the criteria used to decide that Eastern Japan – and the western US – are uninhabitable? Does an underground explosion have to occur when the cores merge together? Or, how many sick and dying people have to be wandering around with no medical help – uhhhh because the doctors are sick also or have left the country? Are they also finding that dead foliage is not decaying – like in Chernobyl – and what about all the burning of nuclear contaminated materials through out Japan that is just spewing the stuff in the air all over Japan and the West Coast of the US – it won't be just the east coast of Japan that's affected.

    • Sickputer

      SP: You will know the area is uninhabitable when only the lowest economic social order will live (and die) there. Just like around Chernobyl. The poor people filter back to die in familiar settings.

      Interesting piece I found today:

      "The worst exposure at Fukushima, to two plant firefighters, was approximately 180 milli-Sieverts (mSv). At Chernobyo, 10 minutes near the core of the Chernobyl meltdown exposed workers to 50 Sieverts (Sv)—but some spent hours there. The first firefighters, therefore, were exposed to almost 1,000 Sieverts of radiation, or 5,000 times the worst exposure at Fukushima. In other words, if the scale went high-enough, there would be only two nuclear events greater than Level 6—Fukushima at Level 7, and Chernobyl at Level 11."

      "By the 28th, in an effort to contain the meltdown, 2,000 helicopters were sent to Chernobyl. The helicopters would hover while soldiers dumped 120 pound bags of sand and radiation-absorbing boric acid into the destroyed core. They dumped 2,000 tons (4,000,000 pounds) into the core, by hand, one bag at a time. It’s estimated that 600 helicopter pilots ultimately died from radiation exposure"

      "Finally, finding the boric acid and sand ineffective, they dumped 2,000 tons of lead into the core. The highly toxic lead created problems of its own, but, melted by the heat, it finally sealed the nuclear core on May 10."

      http://peregrinatingmrbeck.com/2014/09/11/chernobyl/

      • dka

        Truth is, no one knows the real exposure some of the workers got at Fukushima because their equipment went off scale at some point early on and because they did not bother to measure when they crossed some areas that were later found to be over 1sv.

      • Sickputer

        Despite the word being invented in Japan…there were relatively few kamikaze martyrs at Fukushima Daiichi.

        They did not deploy 2,000 helicopters dropping water, boron, sand, and water over the hellhole reactors belching radiation to the skies.

        They did not deploy 500,000 miners digging for months to stop the cores at Daiichi.

        That is not to say the Japanese workers were not brave. Just that they had a much better understanding of what nuclear suicidal efforts would entail on a personal basis. The leaders at Daiichi decided not to ask people to work at certain death tasks.

        Was the right call? Easy for us to speculate since we weren't asked to die at Daiichi. And I think some have died of radiation at Daiichi, including Yoshida. But hard facts are virtually impossible to come by in Japan.

        • itsanuclearwar

          Where did you come up with that idea? YOU CLAIM "That is not to say the Japanese workers were not brave. Just that they had a much better understanding of what nuclear suicidal efforts would entail on a personal basis. The leaders at Daiichi decided not to ask people to work at certain death tasks."

          I don't believe it. Then you claim "But hard facts are virtually impossible to come by in Japan."

          Kind of shot yourself in the foot there. Do you just make it up as you go? And we are to take you seriously?

          • We Not They Finally

            I'm with itsanuclearwar on this. If the Japanese were so eager to prevent men from tackling suicidal tasks, then why have the yakuza take over and mismanage to the point of increased and assured eventual annihilation for them all? They didn't seem to much care about anything or anyone — they didn't seem to give a cr-p about what this would entail on a personal basis — just about issuing public denials about danger and leaving their own population to die. While turning off radiation monitors, encasing radiation badges in lead, lying about stats, etc., etc., etc.

            The Russians, by contrast, knew full well the dangers, but threw MANY men into terrible danger so as to prevent an even greater death toll. And that was terribly costly and tragic, but it also marks the Russians as having been one thousand percent more socially responsible than the Japanese.

            And yeah, there have been medical cover-ups about Chernobyl — of course there have been. They apparently silenced doctors there, and of course the international nuclear cabal has been dreadful.

            But crediting the Japanese for "concern on a personal basis"? It seems to be the LAST thing they have ever done.

        • I like your posts SP. You explain what your take is without being mean and argumentive. 🙂

          • Sickputer

            I could be dead wrong… Maybe thousands of Japanese workers are already dead. But the evidence of helicopter usage (or lack of it) and miners (lack of them) is pretty solid that they did not pursue suicide work projects.

            Remember the man who turned back when his radiation device went offscale? He was with another man on the mission to open the vents (which was probably futile by design anyway). But they turned back and the bosses didn't shoot them in the head, they just shrugged in despair.

            You are exactly right the Russians fought their disaster differently. And how will the nuclear workers in China, India, and America behave when their own day of reckoning arrives? Will they give their life for the sake of society or will they flee the nuclear demons? Stay tuned…

            • Those of us who are mean and arguing points, perhaps are sick from HORRIBLE cancer we KNOW is from the uncaring activities of Mobster money grubber nuketards.

              And Chernobyl was yes a disaster, but one JUST like the 1959 Rocketdyne experiment in fast breeder technology. Only difference in the design is basically Chernobyl was water cooled, Rocketdyne was Sodium cooled. The failure was the same. They set the reactor to what they were CERTAIN were the correct settings, only to find in dismay the EXACT same results they found at Rocketdyne. Unfortunately these fidings had NEVER been shared with the world as a warning to never do this insane attempt to fast breed Uranium; again.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_water_reactor

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_Reactor_Experiment

              Were all soon to be a freak in the side show, just like me…

              http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/CesiumSky/library/Cesium%20Sky/ELEmentSky/Garden%20Of%20ELEden

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              They will flee.. 🙁

            • If I'd have been in any of their shoes, I think my head would have short circuited from so many thoughts racing through my brain in a nano second.

              There must have been extremely powerful fight or flight emotions flooding their veins simultaneously.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Just look at the reaction of those in uniforms in the streets? Their personal safety is now paramount and when in doubt.. shoot to kill.

                Shoot to kill, for ones own personal safety, isn't going to bring or incentivize them to go at/into a Nuclear Power plant blowing up and out of control.

                Can't just shoot radiation and make it stop like the bad guys..they will flee..everyone will flee.

                This will be the world's coming fate since intelligent people will not sacrifice themselves for a corporation and it's profits.

                Time to shut them all down while we still can…

                • We Not They Finally

                  People will flee if/when they are told they CANNOT stay, or they will die QUICKLY if they stay.

                  Like a lot of people in Carlsbad will die from what's been happening at WIPP, but there is no public emergency panic button. So they're staying until it's an "everyone knows that…"

                  People get knee-jerked over a medical epidemic more quickly and efficiently than this. And most people (like firefighters against what a psychopathic arsonist did) fight on to save their neighbors — they don't get all political about "corporations."

                  As for the cops, they are being armed to the hilt and trained to THINK differently. Like the population being "the enemy." Your "neighbor" becomes someone who might KILL you.

                  Most people get very manipulated by psychology. Your points of argument are great and SHOULD hold, but honestly, most people (however "intelligent") are manipulated by psychology — or "psych ops" as the mean-and-powerful might put it.

            • itsanuclearwar

              @SICKPUTER, the story about the guy turning back because of to high of radiation was not the truth. So here you are promoting their lies and fabricating your own. It seems that some people are falling for it. Why the lies?

              • Sickputer

                Itsanuclearwar calling SP a liar regarding a worker turning back from venting because of intense radiation.

                SP: Never to late to state I believe the historical account of Hideyoshi Endo:

                https://japansafety.wordpress.com/tag/hideyoshi-endo/

                Excerpt:

                "When Endo was some 30 meters away from the valve, however, he saw the radiation meter reading surpass 1,000 millisieverts. He stared at the meter for a few seconds, but it had gone up all the way and did not come back down.

                If the radiation level was 1,000 millisieverts per hour, Endo would have exceeded the 100-millisievert radiation dose limit a nuclear power plant worker is allowed to be exposed to in five years in just six minutes. But Endo no longer had a way of knowing how high the radiation level was.

                Endo only needed a few seconds to decide to return. His colleague did not seem to understand the situation, but Endo pulled his arm and urged him to head back.

                When Endo tried to leave the reactor building, he looked back and found that his colleague was not with him. He was shocked that he could not complete the valve operation…

                When the two returned to the main control room, all eyes turned to them.

                “It failed. The radiation meter scaled out,” reported Endo."

      • name999 name999

        sickputer, sounds like Katrina.

      • JimLynch JimLynch

        Gee and America shut down its last and only lead smelting plant just this year–I guess when our's go they don't want to cover it–and yes I meant to say "when" not "if"

      • nowyswiat

        yes those Russians were indeed heros and alittle off topic but relevant to our world is the insane fact that the US and EU want a war with these same people Suicidal just ask the Germans

    • name999 name999

      daisy, yes. Absolutely. We live in tragic times.

  • harv33021

    Does this mean the sh*t has hit the fan, so to speak?….
    The criteria will be when everyone in Tokyo and San Francisco drops dead in the street, followed by some sort of half ass announcement that the real problem is global warming and excessive radiation from the sun and or the moon. The solution according to the experts will be to shelter in place and don't forget to "duck and cover" when going outside….It is going to be interesting to follow the price of beach front property.

    • We Not They Finally

      How I wish I could speculate that you were wrong. It's just that I'm thinking the same thing. Anything but the R word, unless maybe Mr. Sunshine is responsible.

      Not that they did not also CAUSE the warming. Geoengineering is a nightmare, with the likes of ionospheric heating and ripping apart the ozone layer. By now, we are flooded with UV-B radiation in various parts of the globe. (UV-A is normal sunshine. UV-B is dangerous.)

      Do look up Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.org. He's nailed everything.

      • JimLynch JimLynch

        "Do look up Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.org. He's nailed everything."–INDEED

        • We Not They Finally

          THANK YOU. We all need a more rounded education here. We think that disinfo is already rampant, but probably we "ain't seen nothing yet."

          • Runningonlove Runningonlove

            WNTF, pardon me if I state the obvious one more time…BOTH
            the stratospheric geoengineering nano-metallic particles, AND the radioactive hot particle airborne emmissions from Fuku circling the globe in the jetstream…are UP THERE in the SAME space, and if we don't think they are interacting, we better think again. The question is, "HOW?"
            I have personally and repeatedly seen higher than usual radiation readings on heavy chemtrail days…this has happened too many times to be coincidence. These 2 phenomena-from-hell are talking to each other, and I don't like what they're saying one little bit. Dane Wigginton doesn't seem to have twigged to this, at least I've never read anything on his site about it. Have you?
            Anthem for the Fukued nation:http://youtu.be/fvrlvn94UMk

    • name999 name999

      harv…its sunspots…its HIV…its ecoli. Its paranoia. Your'e not smiling enough.

    • SOLARAMA X CANYON

      The shit could hit the fan in California, even now they ignore expert opinion. For the love of money they place the nation at risk. 30 pieces of silver all round. Time for a round of golf and a new profit war. don't forget that nasty ebola and take your mark of the beast vaccine, like good little slave drones.

  • TOP SECRET = An excuse to LIE
    (IMO – especially regarding Nuclear events)

    Don't forget we were told during the first six months that there was no reason for concern (over and over) that cold shutdowns would be achieved in Dec, 2011.

    😯
    Don't forget how Nuclear testing in Nevada was for decades TOP SECRET while ruining the lives of many innocent unsuspecting downwind citizens. Affecting the entire planet actually. Radioactive contamination from those tests still remain.

    • We Not They Finally

      I believe that much of the public still believes that cold shutdown happened in Japan. The public ignorance to this day is astounding.

      • West Aussie West Aussie

        Too right, WNTF! Not their fault, so much, though. I heard them's at the Aussie ABC the other day referring to the 'shut-down reactors' (not a mention of the fact that they were in triple melt-down, not shut-down) at Fuku. The propaganda coming from these organizations is so blatant. I am hearing more and more demanding voices on these organizations airwaves declaring what we should be thinking about these things. No inclusive presentation of the facts to be rebutted by the contrary side. Just assertions and bluster with the occasional out of context fact to back up their fallacious arguments and false claims. They seem to have no shame. It would seem they hung up their journalistic credibility and walked away from it when they joined the 'Korporation'.

  • truthseek truthseek

    One of things that I find the most dumbfounding is that there is no really (reasonable 2 week??) long term power back up generators with massive petro fuel reservoirs, higher in hills or safe(r) removed from oceanic maladies. But with everything *blown to hell any way, what would it have mattered?

    We will never really KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, as we will not have the time, resources or ability to investigate, due the death warrant(s) sworn on our souls by the incalculably poor judgement in many ways every step of this has been handled. The politics of the politics has a virtual stranglehold on any measure of honesty or truth about something we all have a stake in.

  • Crickets Crickets

    The way these stories are presented, it always leaves me with the feeling they're trying to downplay rather than inform and tell the truth. "Yoshida feared nuclear ‘annihilation’ of eastern Japan, testimony shows." It's as though they are admitting they were withholding the truth from people, but now that the danger has passed, they thought they'd tell us some amusing story about what happened in the early days of the catastrophe. The bad news always seems to be in the past tense.

    When will we hear something very specific and truthful, like "We had multiple meltdowns. We have no idea what's going on and don't know the location of the reactor cores. What used to be clean fresh water is running by the ruins, mixing with very toxic radioactive material and flowing out to sea in very large quantities. This has been going on for over 3 years now and, short of a miracle, will continue to do so indefinitely, as we have been unsuccessful in coming up with a workable solution to mitigate any of these problems and we really have no idea how to approach this. (PERIOD)"

    • itsanuclearwar

      This story is just another one of their lies. Has no credibility whatsoever. It serves the purpose of supporting those that deny the truths regarding Stuxnet and or Haarp. Who in their right mind would believe anything they say now? I question the intent of anyone that acts as if this is the truth, especially those here at enenews. Talking to us like we are 1st graders and expecting us to believe them.

      • We Not They Finally

        Yes, but/and nevertheless, they might not have even released this much of brave dead Mr. Yoshida's testimony, unless they felt that they had to placate a disbelieving public over THERE.

        Not saying that's the case, just that we can't entirely gauge the public climate of another country at a distance. Maybe the Japanese don't believe anything their government is selling by now either.

        I've wondered if/when people reach the point of exploding. Like how many children have to die before their mothers run out weeping into the streets?

        Don't know what will happen there with the public climate. But the silence must be becoming deafening even to THEM by now.

      • name999 name999

        its, stuxnet and HAARP are two different things. ARP.net .org.gov (choose your poison) is the first internet developed in the US military. ARP=DARPA. The Stuxnet thing is different.

        • We Not They Finally

          It's o.k. name 999. Some future day, someone can give a university course about was it "God" who did the earthquake/tsunami, or was it stuxnet and HAARP. They can call the course, "Was the creacide/omnicide deliberate or accidental?"

          Oh, I forgot. There won't be any universities. There won't be any world.

  • razzz razzz

    We know what happened. A station blackout. Meltdown leading to meltout and finally, loss of containment…x3.

    The nuke power generating manuals have blank pages after a station blackout occurs. There is nothing that can be done for the melted fuel during that period.

    Like I said before, the melted cores might as well be in a open field completely exposed to the environment. At least you would know were they are. TEPCO has no idea where their melted cores are.

    If Unit 2's melt oozed out onto the upper floors thru that blown equipment hatch, it may be possible to recover the melt in the long term future. Units 1&3 melted cores are so far hopelessly missing.

    A US special military tactical nuke unit was onsite and knows full well what the radioactive readings were at the height of the meltdowns. They packed up and left, nothing they could do about the situation either. Hence the suggested 50 mile radius evacuation zone called for by the US military and evacuation from the eastern areas of the island of nonessential personal.

    • itsanuclearwar

      No, not that simple. You have left out much. But don't let the facts get in the way of a false story, one that supports the hidden agenda you keep pushing!

      • combomelt combomelt

        LOL, it never posts any knowledge, only negative rebuttals. It never posts any links, and it DOES NOT spread any useful information to anyone. It attacks any and all here when its theories are not agreed with.
        No one here has had any intelligent discussions with this entity, because it has presented several unfounded, ridiculous theories about what caused the multiple meltdowns/melt-thrus/melt-outs at Daiichi.(stuxnet, haarp). What!?!– the 9.0+ earthquake and tsunami weren't enough for ya!?
        The nuk MOX fuel at Daiichi is out of containment, and there isn't anything ANYONE can do to stop the poisoning of our planet. Just what is it that this entity is trying to accomplish? It wants to "out the shills". Oh thats a good one! right, check, "Out the anti-nuke shills"! If that is its purpose3/goal, then it has outed enenewsers as the top o' the heap of anti-nuke shills!
        +3/11 dude

        • Jebus Jebus

          Ya, it pretty much told it's story in spades. If you go back a few forums it actually disbersed it's agenda attacking fairewinds. It has pretty much attacked anything that moves or speaks just like a rabid puker. It's speaks in terms of "we" like it has multiple personalities.
          It would be better received if it were more rational. Many have brought up the points that it has brought up. Except they were sane when they posted their views.
          This site is the most lenient site on the net for these people with alternate agendas. But it is drawing upon the sockpuppet playbook of beligerence. I give it zero credibility and offer that it is just here to discredit this site, as a certain sock puppet did. Four years of crowd sourced truth trumps it to the ground. I then offer up my observation that it is just another delusional pro nuke enthusiast unleashed.
          Pay it no mind as it is in the same boat as all of the rest of us…

          • combomelt combomelt

            ty!!!!!!!
            agreed 1000%

          • name999 name999

            jebus, combo…yes, exactly.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            At least they got the name correct, and yes, we are in a war, and yes, it's a Nuclear War!

            Us vs all of them who are a million strong! 🙂

            • itsanuclearwar

              Who is it that is a million strong, that is against you? Who is the you?

              So do you agree that TPTB(1%) are using nuclear everything to kill off the 99 percent?

              That is what I claim, that's what it is, apparently jebus, razz, name666, vannev, stock, lastchants, sickputer, combomelt, j, phillupnorth, mark, and some other shills disagree and defend TPTB, in this regard. That is the bottom line. Watch them dance around that, and pat each other on the back, until the light is turned on, the truth that is. "THEY LIVE"

              That's a lot of the regular posters here at enenews that are shills. Its like when you turn on a light and see all the cockroaches scram. This place is overrun with them, like in the movie "THEY LIVE" with Roddy Piper

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJC4R1uXDaE

              "They're running the whole show"

              "Wake up! they're all about you, all around you"

              "Look at them, they're everywhere"

              I have the sun glasses from the movie, so to speak!

              One would have to be delusional to believe that TPTB would not have a site like this crawling with paid shills/puppets owned and controlled by TPTB's handlers.
              Being that Fuku was done by design, it could be no other way. And these shills will never admit that, but will do/say whatever they can to conceal this fact. Its their job. Who knows, MK ULTRA type brainwashing may be involved, or worse. Psychopathic tendencies required.

              "THEY LIVE"

              "THEY LIVE"

              "They're running the whole…

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Fukushima was the result of the incompetence of the nuclear industry. Nuclear radiation kills off everyone including members of the nuclear industry.

                The seeds of destruction are already there with the first splitting of the atom. Every nuclear reactor that is not decommissioned is a ticking time bomb.

                The attempt to control Ebola is not lost (see Off Topic forum). It won't just be 5,000,000 who die. Nuclear radiation and cell phone radiation lower the immune system of every living being. The elites are also dying of brain cancer and other forms of cancer. Do you keep your cell phone near your abdomen?

                The thyroid of every person on the planet, rich or poor, has been compromised. With no one left to care for nuclear waste, we know that the canisters for dry storage don't last very long, we will see multiple explosions around the world.

                With nothing alive in the ocean, the elite will now die just as surely as everyone else. Nuclear radiation destroys all the natural resources necessary for life. How could any sane person put a nuclear reactor [bomb] in his/her own backyard?

                The first mistake was to split the atom and manufacture plutonium pits, which numerous countries have already done.

                The second mistake was to locate nuclear reactors on earthquake faults and the ocean and rivers that can flood. Already done in numerous countries.

                The third stupidity was to use weapons grade plutonium in MOX fuel. The human genome is forever cooked.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                We're the one trying to get rid of nuclear technology completely. That does not make us shills of the US government, but radically opposed to the US government when it comes to nuclear energy and nuclear weapons.

                Your argument is not logical at all. It doesn't matter what the government is if nuclear technology is being used. We see different forms of government around the world all praying to the mantra of nuclear technology.

                At the same time that nuclear and other forms of ionizing radiation are destroying immune systems, the same ionizing radiation also causes viruses and bacteria to mutate to more virulent forms.

                According to Dr. Robert O. Becker, electromagnetic pollution is the largest problem of the 21st century. It looks like the majority of humans are not addressing this problem.

                The invisible carcinogenic pollution
                http://flutuante.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/the-invisible-carcinogenic-pollution/

                Electromagnetic pollution teamed up with nuclear radiation and the mounting heaps of nuclear waste and uranium tailings and radioactive nuclides spewed from every nuclear facility every second of every day work together synergistically with toxins and chemical concoctions and mutated viruses and mutated bacteria to destroy every form of life.

                • itsanuclearwar

                  One of the things that make you shills is the fact that you defend TPTB and governments that seek to kill off humanity with, as one of the means, to do so with Fukushima radiation. That Fuku was done by design, and all of you shills know this but lie about it. PAID SHILLS AND PSYCHOPATHS!

                  "THEY LIVE" "THEY LIVE"

                  • JimLynch JimLynch

                    I havent seen anyone doing that sort of spouting off here among the regulars–lots of learning from them about exactly OPPOSITE of what you say–they are MOST definitely NOT shills either for the nuclear pro people or TPTB. What the HELL are you rambling about? An agenda about HAARP or Stuxnet?

                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Rambling about? Call it what you will. Very simple, these shills are defending TPTB and or the governments that are killing us off with radiation. Pay attention, that FUKU, and WIPP for that matter, was done by design. Done on purpose, to achieve their goal of depopulation. These shills say that is not the case. That it was an accident and all due to greed and profit. Those are flat out lies and what TPTB want us to believe and is what these shills are paid to push, 24/7. They don't want any discussion of HAARP and or STUXNET period. The proof that HAARP and or Stuxnet was involved blows their cover and they will and do say anything but the truth regarding this subject. Any one capable of critical thinking, with a little knowledge of any of the facts, can see their lies clearly, and other deceptive means they employ to control the information and attack the messengers that seek to expose the truth. If you want to believe that they are here in good faith, fine, I have a bridge for sale. It is that fucking obvious. If you don't think that TPTB have operators here working to control the information, after we have witnessed what the governments around the world have or have not done for our best interest, I have the moon for sale too. Are you going to defend TPTB and the government too? Are you a sheep that needs direction and will follow the ones leading and controlling the direction of this site? Or are you capable of critical thinking and not afraid to stand up?

                    • itsanuclearwar

                      Nope, no fucking rambling by me, it is real clear, this site is loaded with shills that have been here for a long time. If you are like most dumbed downed Americans, with the mentality of a 6th grader, be a good sheeple and do as you are told. Get in the slaughter line, ask no questions. That is what they are counting on. That and who has the time, courage and wants to dedicate their time arguing with these shills that will say anything to discredit you, and do it gang style. Do it on your time, unlike these snakes who are paid to do it. ITS THEIR FUCKING JOB! May be I'M wasting my time talking to you and I would not be surprised to find that you are another one or one of them using a number of different identities. Either way, the public that reads this can figure it out, even if they don't post here. Expose the snakes I will, and I did, but there are still more names to come. They will out themselves in do time, and some have already, but that's another day. No rambling here, just the facts and the real world.

                    • He is paid to discredit this site. it is quite obvious.

                  • combomelt combomelt

                    i love how it tries to call everyone a shill for TPTB and corps et al.
                    what a sad comedy with this entity coming here and "turning" his psycho table around to put this site out there as one full of "shills". Keywords people, tags to get noticed by "HIS GOVT BUDDIES". I spit coffee all over the floor when i read socpup trying to equate enewsers to the scum anti-nukes are akin to. Wordplay, and tough going over there with his one-man revolution of confusion and obfuscation through feigned empathy with this community.
                    1 man(nucleoape), alone, trying to discredit the folks here who haven't done/typed or said ANYTHING that could be construed as being a govt nuke shill that supports TPTB. lofl at this stooge. if you can't beat them, beat them some more, but from their side of the fence, with their own tools, telling everyone the folks here are the exact opposite of what it claims. lol again dude.
                    btw, all you do is ramble and post the same cut and paste paragraph about stuxnet/depop and haarp
                    we don't have to agree with your ramblings, its a 2 way street, and not agreeing with your opinions makes people here appear a bit more sane than before you started posting your non-sensical drivel. TRY AND GET OVER YOUR UNFACT-BASED SELF ALREADY. LMFAODUDE!!!

                    • combomelt combomelt

                      IT LOVES TO CALL ENEWSERS THE VERY NAMES RESERVED FOR THE WORST OF THE NUK-CARTELS!!

                      TRYING TO FLIP THE TABLES EH?
                      6TH GRADERS HERE?
                      SHEEPLE TOO?
                      BETTER LOOK IN THE MIRROR FOOL!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BEING MOCKED, LAUGHED AT AND RIDICULED FOR YOUR INANE POSTINGS AND RAMBLINGS REGARDING YOUR EXTENDED VACATION IN OPPOSITE-LAND.

                  • name999 name999

                    Its, you are looking at me, and I will defend our president with great humility and passion. And vigor.

                • itsanuclearwar

                  You certainly support NATO using DEPLETED URANIUM as weapons of mass destruction against Muslims and in UKRAINE. shill "THEY LIVE" "THEY LIVE"

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                The million strong are those working in the Nuclear Industry now responsible for spreading this radioactive poison worldwide.

                We have had this conversation before and your supposed theory is yet to be proven and is irrelevant to the discussions at hand and this ongoing Nuclear crises. Unless you can stop the use of this theory in causing more meltdowns worldwide or bring charges upon those involved, then its simply a theory of interest and nothing more.

                No one can go back to 3-11-11 and change what has happened or change what will be the eventual death of many millions of people from varied cancers and diseases caused by such events, no matter how they transpired or occurred.

                Time to realize we are all in this mess together and you had better grasp the fact that the people here on this site want Nuclear Power stopped on this planet and they want it stopped now. Not tomorrow!

                If your theory was/is remotely possible then it's simply another great reason to shut them all down and to shut them all down now!

                • itsanuclearwar

                  Don't you seek the truth? Why do these members in good faith want to limit the discussions regarding Fuku. IF it was done on purpose and the facts were able to surface, we might have a chance of stopping another one or the next one. And there will be more. Same thing for WIPP. There is much more to the Haarp and Stuxnet that is being posted here, and the ways these shills go about discrediting the truths here is a total scam and has no place in society nor here. Honest discussion is what we need here and is lacking big time. Critical thinking is lacking and when applied often times attacked by the same shills. Shills that defend TPTB and the governments that are killing us off. Do you want to have open honest discussion regarding FUKU, or do you want to limit discussions so that only certain info can be exposed? Anyone that seeks to limit open honest and legitimate discussions has no business being here, and their are many. Many that do not want certain truths /facts to be revealed, let alone discussed. Do you support these people and or these actions?

                  • combomelt combomelt

                    damage done
                    pacific dead
                    other oceans will die too
                    1 npp
                    3 breached/destroyed reactor cores
                    4-5-6 sfpools that have spewed their guts into the biosphere
                    americium meet my friend cesium. He's dating this cutie who I've known for a very long time, Plutonium. One of Plutonium's kids, Strontium came over the other day, and absolutely floored us with a coupla gut-busters!
                    Then we all sat down for dinner and my sister Iodine made this stew from a recipe our uncle Xenon gave her years ago.
                    1/2oz Uranium
                    4 cups Cobalt…
                    ahhh you get the picture

                  • name999 name999

                    Its, you are looking at me. I am the person you don't like here.

                • itsanuclearwar

                  Reading your post again I can see your angle as I have seen it before. You claim:

                  "We have had this conversation before and your supposed theory is yet to be proven and is irrelevant to the discussions at hand and this ongoing Nuclear crises."

                  First so that there is no misunderstanding, you need to define what my supposed theory is. You need to fill me in of what has yet to be proven and what it is that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand and the ongoing nuclear crisis.

                  You have done a good job of trashing the theory that you claim is mine, by dancing around it with word craft. Not so good a job of convincing me that this theory you speak of and claim is mine, was/is only remotely possible, and if is, is only good for shutting down other nukes.

                  And that I had better get used to the fact that because you said so, that all of the other members are here in good faith.

                  It also appears that you are saying that if some one did create the disaster by design, that it will serve no purpose to investigate, expose, or prosecute because the damage is done and that can't be changed. If unable to bring charges against said evil doers involved, it has no use at all other than making headlines in the "National Enquire" and may be used in the Hollywood Hit "JEOPARDY".

                  But in reality you claim:

                  "The million strong are those working in the Nuclear Industry now responsible for spreading this radioactive poison worldwide."

                  So these Joe Blow nuclear…

                  • itsanuclearwar

                    So these Joe Blow nuclear industry workers are to blame for it all, say you. That means the military industrial complex and the governments and the puppet masters of these have done no wrong and are not responsible for any of it. How could one be held accountable when it is the industry to blame
                    and said workers in general. Rather odd, that's what happened in the housing bubble and banking scam, although we know there are certain players that should be locked up.

                    So like the housing bubble, the true actors should go scot free and we should put the blinders on and focus on only shutting down nukes NOW. Never mind the magician behind the curtain that may destroy another nuclear reactor facility with technology that you claim has been proved not to be involved, although just the opposite is true. Proven by information presented in links that I have provided multiple times that most here will not acknowledge or claim does not exist. And some of you have discussed this so that is how it is and I had better grasp this and get on board with what you claim is the noble cause, SHUT DOWN NUKES NOW and go home, nothing more to see nor do. Correct me if I missed something, and do tell me what my theory is that is basically useless and irrelevant. I'm sure that there are many that want to know.

                    Look forward to an open honest discussion of what my theory is so as to have no misunderstandings.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      It's not the nuclear workers that are to blame. It is nuclear technology itself that is lethal. It is the radionuclides that are destroying all our natural resources and causing cancer to multiply.

                    • West Aussie West Aussie

                      We are all to blame to a greater or lesser extent for the crisis. I could have fought when I was kicking back instead. All of you, get off your soapboxes, for pity's sake. None of us is above the fray.
                      If you are, start a church.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    You seem like a pretty bright person and there is no reason for me to explain my words, since you completely understood what I wrote.

                    You need to get a grasp and understand that we are all here inside this ongoing Nuclear Technology induced nightmare together.. 🙂

                    Either you are/want to be part of the team wanting too shut down this Nuclear Technology worldwide or you are not.

                    Whatever truth you think you know is just like everything else out here and potentially simply a "created by other's" illusion for your mind.

                    Unless "you" with proof can bring charges up in a court of law for what ever you think happened, then it's just another theory of another plot/story.. nothing more.

                    Attacking everyone here on this site is not helping your enlightenment cause or overall purpose. 🙁

                    If we are all going to die soon and this is/was an intentional act of Nuclear War in order to cull/depopulate the human race, then we had all better get to living whatever life we all have left.

                    According to you, any of them can be blown up by whomever, whenever, they want to blow them up.

                    Just another reason to shut them all down worldwide! 🙂

                    • itsanuclearwar

                      @obewanspeaks, Very interesting post, you claim:

                      "Whatever truth you think you know is just like everything else out here and potentially simply a "created by other's" illusion for your mind."

                      Would that not apply to you too?

                      Seems that there are plenty here at enenews that are trying to create illusions for the readers minds that are not the truth and are part of a hidden agenda.

                      This is where the critical thinking comes in to play. Dissecting what is written in the articles AND by the members is required to sift through the muck. A great deal of misinfo/disinfo by both here at enenews. It is easy to see that the disinfo specialist are trying to defend and or conceal the ones responsible for Fuku and the depopulation agenda.

                      You also claim:

                      "Attacking everyone here on this site is not helping your enlightenment cause or overall purpose"

                      In your mind my exposing the lies, disinfo, and or the hidden agenda is "attacking everyone". The truth is, because of my being truthful, open, and honest, I am the one being attacked, many times gang style by the ones perpetuating the disinfo and hidden agenda. Blaming me of attacking is like blaming the victim, which is an attack itself.

                      And yes I want all nuclear shutdown, but just because someone claims they are on that side does not mean shit. It seems to be a common thread here at enenews. Of course the shills here are going to claim that, the shills that act as if they are sincere to the public and…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Posting your theories has never been a problem, but then, when you call people shills via very aggressive language it makes the theory your promoting less believable to those that might be reading here.

                      I love research and throwing that research up on a board is all that is really needed and people will believe it or they wont.

                      We still can't change what happened, nobody can. 🙁

                      If you are correct, then we are all in very serious trouble, and yes, they all need to be shut down immediately worldwide! 🙂

          • And the thing is, each of us already determines their own personal viewpoints regarding all kinds of issues that cross our paths. As years pass we each form conclusions based on research, overviews and dots that WE connect…and that's our right.

            What I despise is when someone get's obsessed with another side topic (no doubt important to them, possibly controversial even) and uses this forum to play out their need to bitch slap others into supporting one and one only viewpoint. Theirs.

          • itsanuclearwar

            Any one who knows a little bit about nuclear reactors knows that arnie gundersen is a mouth piece for the government/nuclear agenda. The fact is he never claimed that the reactors were in meltdown until TEPCO claimed it. He knew they were in meltdown within hours of the disaster but withheld that information as he danced around the facts for all to see, like a shill would do, as you continue to do. Your support of him says all that needs to be said, for the whole lot of you clowns.

            All of your continuing bullshit and lies might, might fool some of the people that are not up to speed on nuclear, but to the rest that are up to speed your have no credibility. Your jerkoff shill buddies will support your lies, but that just exposes them like it does you, for what you are, SHILLS.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Arnie is against all nuclear energy.

              • JimLynch JimLynch

                BTW Anne, TY for the posts from the Koran, I intend to discuss them with my neighbor, whom is from Libya. We have very long conversations about the three dominant religions, and enjoy them immensely. He is one of the finest individuals I know. He is personally appalled by the murder at the hands of Muslims.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Jim, I got the citations here:

                  Mid-East Prophecy Update – September 14th, 2014
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B187-4ptLHE&list=UUkz3m787ygph7Uvjxzngl-g

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                    It is obvious that Muslims don't all agree, but argue among themselves and even sometimes attack each other. Most people don't want war, but peace, no matter the faith they profess.

                    I wish all people were peaceful and I wish love and the truth ruled over all.

                    • JimLynch JimLynch

                      Anne, I think your first statement applies to humanity despite the religion, I also think after spending the last 15 years living next to this man, observing him in daily life doing and expressing the love in his heart, not just "talking" about it–our governments and propaganda artists have wipped up a mania regarding Muslims. He is living discontinuity as opposed to the beliefs of Muslims in America. I can attest to this. Is he moderate? I don't know—he is definitely NOT radical, and has as much respect for Jews and Christians as he does for those of his own religion. Muslims cannot be Muslim without believing in Jesus–this is a fact. Does he believe about Jesus what Christians do?-no. But then neither do Jews. He is a God loving man, impeccably honest, mostly about himself. He cares and respects everyone, regardless of their faith, only wishes for all to come to God, regardless of their path, for as he puts it–all lead to Him–how many roads lead to Dallas–yet you all wind up in the same city. Sorry this is off topic, but your post deserved a thanks for sparking more understanding/conversation. Bless us all–we need it now and in the days coming.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I try to avoid labels. It matters so much how people live their lives. In the book "The Road Less Traveled" it points out that many say they believe one thing, but it is just a cover for what is really in their hearts.

                      All wars now completely destroy all life and all the earth's resources. I don't look at a religion as exemplified from the actions of just one person or the actions of just one group of persons.

                      And people do change and are capable of becoming more enlightened.

                      I wish people were all peaceful and caring and humble and not greedy. All life is sacred and needs to be preserved and honored.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      "In the book "The Road Less Traveled" it points out that many say they believe one thing, but it is just a cover for what is really in their hearts."

                      Does this include you..VanneV?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      And why can't you stick to ideas instead of continually making personal attacks on me?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil 1998
                      by M. Scott Peck
                      “In this absorbing and equally inspiring companion volume to his classic trilogy—The Road Less Traveled, Further Along the Road Less Traveled, and The Road Less Traveled and Beyond—Dr. M. Scott Peck brilliantly probes into the essence of human evil….”
                      People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life….”
                      http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597/ref=pd_sim_b_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0MDBAQNQ7X0BW054R9SZ

                      The Road Less Traveled, Timeless Edition: A New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth Paperback – Deluxe Edition, February 4, 2003
                      by M. Scott Peck
                      http://www.amazon.com/Road-Less-Traveled-Timeless-Edition/dp/0743243153

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Faith versus Geology: Could God Stop Japan Earthquake ?

                      "Its time to retire these anaerobic fairy tales and actually apply our collective brain cells to understand science. I know it is hard and sometimes studying is not easy and therefore we prefer to believe fuzzy fancy tales. We need to wake up."

                      http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=205190

                      Quotes from Matthew ..Islam..etc.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      It's time to quit playing with dogma and ideologies.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      >> 🙂

                  • JimLynch JimLynch

                    And THANK YOU so much for this site–I continually LEARN so much every day here Thanks to ALL here for you very valuable time, instruction, and effort!!

              • itsanuclearwar

                @VANNEV! Address the fact that he held out on the meltdowns, he concealed that info until it was made official. Address that fact! Saying that he is against nuclear does not mean shit, especially coming from you. Address the hard facts instead of dancing around them.

            • Jebus Jebus

              It's team sock puppet back!

              The style is unmistakable…

            • @itsanuclearwar

              Oh jeez!

              Well you skated in uncertainty by my troll detectors for a while, but no more.

              I joust ye through the heart, be gone, go seek your precious and wasted life.

            • combomelt combomelt

              it ' s a……

              personalityforge

              jabberwacky

              cleverbot

              elbot

              alice.pandorabots

              pandorabots

              I didn't catch your name, friend. ALICE?

              chatbots.org/ai_zone/

              mitsuku

              add ".com" to any of the above!!!!!!!!!!!

        • itsanuclearwar

          @COMBOMELT, you are full of shit and lying about me and most everything else that you say. Back your shit up with proof instead of cheap talk, SHILL!

          • Cooter

            Is this the pot calling the kettle black. Your language is one of youth, where harsh words are mixed with color. This does you no good and this site, but obviously serves you well.

            You said;
            "He (Arnie G.) knew they were in meltdown within hours of the disaster"
            Post your proof, as you have asked other to do.

          • combomelt combomelt

            IT ATTEMPTS TO DISCREDIT ENE BY SPAMMING 'CONSPIRACY' THEORIES DISGUISED AS "OUR FRIEND".
            IT WANTS FOLKS HERE TO JUMP ONBOARD THE PSYCHO-WAGON.
            ONCE ONBOARD, IT'S OFF TO CRAZY TOWN WHERE HORMESIS REIGNS SUPREME.

            REALIZE THO THAT THAT TRAIN DOESN'T STOP THERE.

            HOWEVER, WE ARE ALL ON THE CRAZY TRAIN RIDE FROM HELL NOW, AND THERE'S NO SLOWIN' DOWN THE BIO-ACCUM AND PINK-SKY BONANZAS JUST AHEAD!!

            LOOKIE OVER HERE,!
            A-3 CARROT-CARROT !!
            I USED TO LIKE THE 2-CARROT-CARROTS MUCH BETTER CUZ THEY DIDN'T TASTE SO METALLIC, BUT NOW I CAN'T FIND THEM ANYMORE!
            SERIOUSLY THOUGH, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME
            4-ORANGE-ORANGES?

        • itsanuclearwar

          @combobelt, here is a novel idea, you and your shill friends quit spreading lies and I won't have to point out your lies, which would eliminate all of the negative replies that are needed to expose your lies. REAL SIMPLE, QUIT LYING!

          Of course then you would be out of a job and that would reflect bad for the governments that you work so hard to defend. Get some therapy.

      • We Not They Finally

        No, not everything is "an agenda." I just don't see the logic of thinking that ANY melted core can be recovered.

    • name999 name999

      razz, thank you…that sounds right.

    • itsanuclearwar

      Jet Fuel Genius
      April 30, 2011 at 11:35 pm
      M curie, you are way off base. Stuxnet was designed specifically to target fluid control systems. The centrifuges it attacked were ideal. So is the fluid control system at a nuclear facility. Oil refineries are equally at risk.

      The real truth is that Magna BSP, a Mossad front company got their only security contract ever at TEPCO, were based in Dimona, and had a full time two way data feed to fukushima all the way through the disaster. They told TEPCO about that connection on March 15 via an article printed in the Jerusalem Post. I wonder why they waited to tell TEPCO it existed. Stuxnet has two modes, random and administrative. It can be administered to optimize the damage. Once installed on the host system via a flash drive it causes that system to violate its normal security protocols.

      I am a lifer in the types of control systems Fukushima and Browns Ferry has. BOTH had modern Siemens controllers running the Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition (SCADA) system.

      Fukushima did not need any electrical systems operating AT ALL to keep itself from blowing up, when power is lost the reactor steam is diverted from the generator turbines to two totally separate steam turbines with totally separate water pumps needing only reactor steam to turn them. But the valves have to activate to re-divert the steam, all 8 valves on a total of 4 reactors failed to. In addition to this, another backup which injects borated water

      • itsanuclearwar

        Fukushima did not need any electrical systems operating AT ALL to keep itself from blowing up, when power is lost the reactor steam is diverted from the generator turbines to two totally separate steam turbines with totally separate water pumps needing only reactor steam to turn them. But the valves have to activate to re-divert the steam, all 8 valves on a total of 4 reactors failed to. In addition to this, another backup which injects borated water at a pre charged 3,500 PSI into the reactor to shut down all chain reactions also simultaneously failed at all 4 reactors. High pressure in all of the reactors proves the quake did not damage any of the infrastructure because the leaks that would have caused would have let the pressure go.

        SO, Disinfo agent M curie, all you did was inspire a comment from a master in the field – absent emergency backup control power keeping the virus alive; control power Magna BSP admitted was there the whole time, those valves, which open when there is no control power would have opened and nothing would have happened.

        Fukushima was sabotage and an act of war.

        http://enenews.com/tornadoes-damage-nuclear-reactors-in-alabama-unusual-event-after-normal-and-alternate-power-supply-unavailable-for-over-15-minutes-same-design-as-fukushima

        • itsanuclearwar

          So it took more than a "station blackout" to cause the disaster, a lot more. Problem is you know it all shills won't admit it and or acknowledge the facts. Instead all you can do is lie and attack the messenger, with a gang mentality.

          • West Aussie West Aussie

            I have worked with SCADA equipment on a rudimentary level so I tend to think that your not talking crap, itsanuclearwar.
            I probably hold a lot of the views that you do concerning how this mess got started but there's not much point in pushing it here as the sensitivities to such 'wild, unfounded, conspiracy theories' are too great. I realized that unless you are privy to the actual conspiracy then any thoughts you may articulate can be dismissed as such. No matter that most of the information about the outside world is nothing more than 'he said, she said' to most of us on any particular day.
            It all comes down to belief systems.

        • Massive 9.0 Earthquake Caused Multiple Fukushima Daichi Nuclear Reactors To Meltdown And Out in 2011
          http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/massive-90-earthquake-caused-multiple.html

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        There are no centrifuges at Fukushima.

        There earthquake broke all the cooling pipes at the bottom of the containment and the cooling water drained out. There was no way to fix these cooling pipes.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        The GE employees at Fukushima Daiichi took off as fast they could go after the earthquake:
        Fukushima 2, Nuclear Whistleblowers, Health and Safety
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDXfXFP4-U
        tes-same-design-as-fukushima

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Eyewitness Accounts; Fukushima Pipes Burst, Reactors Damaged By Quake
        July 3rd, 2011
        "Jake Adelstein and David McNeill authored a ground breaking piece that debunks TEPCO’s claim that the damage at Fukushima was all due to the tsunami or that it could not have been expected. What is most shocking about the article is the first hand accounts of staff working at the plant when the quake hit."
        http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=1692

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Pressure Suppression Containment 1.wmv
        Jul 1, 2011
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup2X_MClUc

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Fukushima: Failure by Design
        “…However, the NRC post-inspection letter to Exelon Nuclear below dated Jun. 29, 2004, provides evidence that RCIC suction isolation valves have failed in US reactors in the past because of inadequate control design.
        “Outboard piping downstream from the pump is commonly not as seismically resistant as the inboard piping from the suppression chamber which is considered existential to reactor safety. If the RCIC design at the Fukushima Daiichi reactors had been the same as that mandated in the US, the inferior seismic rating of the parts of the RCIC loop downstream of the pump could have contributed significantly to the inability of delivering adequate coolant to Units 2 and 3 after the earthquake.

        “According to Jake Adelstein and David McNeill's post with the title ‘Meltdown: What Really Happened at Fukushima?’ published online in the Atlantic Wire on Jul. 2, 2011, eyewitnesses report that the earthquake immediately inflicted widespread, substantial damage to piping at the station. The quake may have ruptured less seismically-hardened RCIC piping, providing a continuous escape route for coolant, steam, and non-condensible gases, e.g. hydrogen and radioactive noble gases, from the suppression chamber. The suppression chamber pool, however, supplies the coolant for the emergency core cooling system.
        “In normal operation, the tall stack towers between Units 1 and 2 and Units 3 and 4 at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station are designed to…

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          [cont.]
          “In normal operation, the tall stack towers between Units 1 and 2 and Units 3 and 4 at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station are designed to vent filtered, decontaminated off-gases from the main steam turbine [Row TH (1973) Radioactive Waste Systems and Radioactive Effluents]. By contrast, separate shorter stacks attached to the reactor building walls vent uncontaminated effluents from the buildings, e.g. the steam vents of Unit 1's isolation condenser in the photograph above. If increased levels of radioactivity are detected, the effluents will be routed through the standby gas treatment system to the stack. This system also filters gases from the primary containment. Compared to the towers, the stacks for uncontaminated effluents are short, ending just above the roofline. One is still visibly intact on the northwest corner of Unit 2.

          “Roughly 29 seconds into the report below, the footage suggests that steam was already emanating from the reactor building rooflines when the first tsunami waves arrived, probably through these short stacks.
          “At 15:29, that is approximately the same time the footage above was recorded, a monitor about a mile from the reactor buildings sounded radiation alert according to Yuji Okada, Tsuyoshi Inajima and Shunichi Ozasa's post with the title "Fukushima May Have Leaked Radiation Before Tsunami" published online on Bloomberg News May 19, 2011. The source of the radioactivity may have been contaminated steam from the…

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          [cont.]
          The source of the radioactivity may have been contaminated steam from the suppression chamber, escaping through the short stacks via damaged valves and broken piping of standby cooling systems like the RCIC. Once the fuel rods in the reactor core super-heated because of the persistent loss of coolant, their zircalloy cladding reacted with water to produce large amounts of hydrogen that accumulated in the reactor buildings, until the gas detonated in violent explosions.

          “It is important to note that neither the widely-acknowledged extended offsite power outage nor the failure of onsite emergency diesel generators may have caused the standby coolant systems to malfunction. Rather, the constant leakage of coolant through shattered loops in these systems may have prevented effective reactor core cooling and may have been detrimental to further attempts of cooling with the addition of seawater during the days after the earthquake and tsunami. The loss of coolant eventually would lead to extensive uncovering of reactor fuel cores, core melt-downs and the eventual melt-throughs of highly radioactive material.

          “The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station known as Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO for short, apparently paid little heed to maintenance and improvements of emergency equipment instrumental for a successful cold shutdown after a loss of coolant accident. TEPCO's probabilistic risk assessment predicted a temblor of the strength of the…

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          [cont.]
          TEPCO's probabilistic risk assessment predicted a temblor of the strength of the Tohoku-oki Earthquake to happen only once in ten-thousand years or less (Report of the Japanese Government to the IAEA Ministerial Conference on Nuclear Safety, figure III-2-3, page III-39). Loss of coolant accidents may be met by similarly anemic standby cooling systems at any nuclear power station with such reactors in an earthquake zone….

          “In accord with the hypothesis entertained in my post, RCIC failure remains the most likely cause that precipitated the reactor's demise. During the morning hours of Mar. 13 after the RCIC had come to its final halt, RPV pressure rose rapidly and its water level dropped decisively, uncovering the core.

          “A safety/relief valve was opened, relieving the pressure into the primary containment at around 9:00 on Mar. 13. At 5:20 on the following day, the operators vented the suppression chamber with hardened venting. At 11:01, a massive hydrogen explosion severely damaged Unit 3 (07/29/11)….”
          http://brainmindinst.blogspot.com/2011/07/fukushima-failure-by-design.html

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          RPV pressure level time courses for Unit 3, based on trial analysis with a Modular Accident Analysis Program (MAAP) and measurements. RICI is synonymous with the RCIC system.
          http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MvBlaVsQnsM/TjLeBrmwkAI/AAAAAAAAAVg/av5w2Gs7w9c/s400/unit3_pressure.jpg

        • itsanuclearwar

          Did you just admit that Fukushima was designed to fail? Done by Design? The result of that, is depopulation by design.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            Fukushima was a failure of nuclear technology. Nuclear accidents and nuclear waste are killing off the whole world. No one is trying to kill off 99% of the population. It is stupidity and greed that is killing off 100% of the population.

            Every nuclear reactor in existence is a ticking time bomb.

            They must all be shut down.

            Atomic radiation is no respecter of persons. It is poison to all life. All life is sacred. All nuclear technology must be abandoned as a total failure.

            Psychopaths are in all walks of life. There compulsion for a high overrides their sense of danger.

          • combomelt combomelt

            bad design, bad placement, bad e-procedures, earthquake, tsunami.

            not stuxnet

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        “Experts believe that Stuxnet required the largest and costliest development effort in malware history.[21] Its many capabilities would have required a team of people to program, in-depth knowledge of industrial processes, and an interest in attacking industrial infrastructure.[3][8]

        “Eric Byres, who has years of experience maintaining and troubleshooting Siemens systems, told Wired that writing the code would have taken many man-months, if not years.[29]

        “Symantec estimates that the group developing Stuxnet would have consisted of five to ten people and as many as 30, and would have taken six months to prepare.[50][21]

        “The Guardian, the BBC and The New York Times all reported that experts studying Stuxnet considered that the complexity of the code indicates that only a nation state would have the capabilities to produce it.[10][50][51] The self-destruct and other safeguards within the code imply that a Western government was responsible, with lawyers evaluating the worm's ramifications.[21]…”
        http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1407768/pg1

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “i have actually not seen the fact of fukushima daiichi's use of siemens step 7 plcs PROVEN, like proven proven, please if someone has a source for that besides some blogger sayin —…”
          http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1407768/pg1

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “nice one to blame stuxnet instead the incompetence of the Fukujima management…

          “security checks that were not carried out, maintenance neglected, incidents hushed up… in a nuclear facility, in a country like Japan ??? (by now well known and proven facts !!!)

          “it takes no stuxnet to find reasons for a failing cooling system !
          and it also brings up the question: why did it take that long to fail ??? Sure a tsunami coming in certainly bothers some of the major pumps, given the structure of the sewers there. But run down systems are quite likely to fail in that situation without stuxnet !!!

          “and btw.: check out the systems attacked by stuxnet ! IT´S NOT JUST SIEMENS !!! (sorry for the American guys among us !)

          “so please Fukujima´s CS certainly is not the result of a conspiracy to run down siemens-controlled sites by means of a virus.
          “it is bad management, corporate supidity and good mother nature´s ‘little games’….”

          “just give it a thought and maybe take a look at the obvious…
          http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1407768/pg1

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          No utilities affected by Stuxnet in Japan:

          New cybervirus found in Japan / Stuxnet designed to attack off-line servers via USB memory sticks
          “Stuxnet, a computer virus designed to attack servers isolated from the Internet, such as at power plants, has been confirmed on 63 personal computers in Japan since July, according to major security firm Symantec Corp….
          “In Japan, no public utilities have been affected by the virus. Nevertheless, the Cabinet Office's National Information Security Center has urged electric power companies to exercise extreme care when using USB devices, and to scan any programs that may have been tampered with….”
          http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T101004003493.htm

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Computers don't control reactor.
          Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-11-04 14:09.
          “Word on the street, for some time, has indicated that a version of the Stuxnet worm was found in the Fukushima Nuclear Plant control systems. This was detected months before the earthquake. Lots of geek-chatter about this, on the internet, months ago. I think that report is likely.
          ============================
          “The computers at a nuclear power plant are only for data logging. They are not allowed to have ANY input on the control of the reactor. The reactor protection system, the electronics that activates emergency systems is all non-programmable discrete logic circuits. That is, all the functionality is hardwired into the circuitry, like your stereo amplifier, and is not reprogrammable.
          “Therefore, a virus can't affect the reactor control systems. The operator's display panels are also non-programmable discrete electronics.
          “Again, the programmable computers are only used to log data for examination after an event; kind of like a cockpit data recorder in an airliner….”
          http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5230

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “Sorry but NO! The Reactor Protection System (RPS) is immune to the Stuxnet virus because it doesn't have reprogrammable microprocessors.
          “All control logic in the RPS is discrete logic control circuits. Saying the RPS is vulnerable to a virus is like saying that your stereo amplifier can be reprogrammed by a virus to have a different frequency response. NOPE – those circuits only "know" how to do things one way – the way they were designed….”
          http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5607

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “You're right, using the reactor's energy to pump coolant in an emergency seems like a good idea.
          All these reactors do after all is boil water. They are very expensive, very dangerous, and very toxic ways of boiling water, but just boilers all the same. Why these reactor-boilers can't be made to be fail-safe in an emergency to a loss of electrical power is therefore perplexing. It seems like common sense to make them work that way. BWR/PWR reactor-boilers have a major design flaw of needing continuous electrical power to prevent a meltdown and explosion in an emergency situation (the station-blackout problem). It is worrying to think that the nuclear power industry are using such a dumb and dangerous design….”
          http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5607

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        MOX fuel was undoubtedly degrading the cooling pipes even before the earthquake.

        There were fires at Rocky Flats plutonium pit production plant every day. This information is from a worker there who told this to my son. The worker's son is a very close friend of my son and my son spent a great deal of time at their house when he was growing up.

        Plutonium is extremely volatile. Plutonium is destroying the earth by fire. Do you really think the "lake of fire" is just a metaphor? Nuclear radiation has already destroyed the IQ of the elite. They have no common sense or good judgment.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      The watchers 🙂 and who will around in 10,000 years to check on this bacteria discovery? Just had my septic tank emptied on the 5 year cycle. Asked if they had lots of tanks to empty and they stated yes. Looking in my tank, I saw that little had decomposed. I informed him of Fukushima , gave him this site and told him why nothing was decaying properly. Everyone he knows has cancer and he is only 40.

      I thought, where have all the little buggers gone, that are suppose to break this stuff down?

      Then I looked in the yard at the petrified poop laying around and I thought of the trees at Chernobyl.

      We are all in very, very, serious trouble… 🙁

      • Interesting you mention septic tanks…I need to have mine pumped.
        Maybe I'd be better off spending the money to have someone dig 6 or 7 outhouse holes and throw wood ashes in.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Best to pump the tank and that will remove the radiation from/now in the tank, since we are eating and drinking the stuff on a daily basis. What goes in must come out.. 🙂

          • Angela_R

            obewan, I assume your septic tank is concrete and, I would think, not as vulnerable to radioactivity as air exposed plant life.

            I think you have a product called 'Actizyme' which activates enzymes; check it out online, it may prove helpful.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Yes, concrete and I will check out the enzymes, but not sure I can spray them on the dog poop lasting for months. 🙂 I see very little alive in the grounds/dirt on my property. There was 1 worm though on the tank cover so that was a good sign….

          • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

            @obewan;Just 80% 0t the long-lived ELEments "comes out",the other 20% ingested one way or another remains & builds as it's cumulative by nature,although "nature" has got nothing to do with the origins of Shitium-311 aside from being destroyed by the foul products of TPTB's brilliant scientist stooges working overtime to find & promote junk science solely useful for causing maximum damage & harm to lives & lands instead of inventing devices & technology that safely allows life to thrive & prosper or at least repair the damage their foolish shitium is responsible for[?]!!
            Here in my nuke-pukey state of IL,better described the "old way" as "ILL",they began digging huge pits along the Chicago Sanitary District Canal's remote,urban "now restricted" right of way land that greets travelers as they reach !-55 from milemarker#279 to just beyond my location on the edge of Chicago city limits with the stench of the massive sludge lagoons where its dumped,graded,dried/cured & turned over periodically as per MWRD standard sewage treatment procedure that began just after TMI and has expanded to include massive incineration units. It seems fairly obvious that the HAZMAT-suited workers I've seen as recently as this Summer wielded Ludlum-type Geiger Counter units with external probe fixed to a telescopic boom while the team-mate wrote findings on a clipboard indicates they're measuring radiation in human waste for some reason or agency's use[?]!"IT'S IN THERE"!!! :(…

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yummy! 🙁 The reason the Earth is so beautiful is because of the natural systems. We are in the process of destroying these natural systems..soon everything will look like Detroit! That's some of our handy work too..
        http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/forests-around-chernobyl-arent-decaying-properly-180950075/?no-ist

  • Igmz Igmz

    Hola from northern NM! Here it's foggy and really cold, feels like snow, and can see breath. Weird 4 sure. Sorry y'all, I fear the ene well is being poisoned yet again, a classic troll trick. Trying to link ene and by proxy, us to questionable sites, topics, subjects. There are lots of sites about HAARP, (looking at you itsanuclearwar!) etc., and I feel like this fuku business supersedes all else personally, so maybe take that stuff up elsewhere. Also, I noticed its been going after some of you regulars lately. Fairly sophisticated. What can I say, I was born with an uber sensitive bs detector. much love to you all these scary times!

    • We Not They Finally

      It's nice that you think keeping the mental band narrow is a good thing. Just try and be a little more tolerant. Nuclear and geoengineering (like the HAARP that you think is WHAT? — it's actually pretty deadly) actually work hand in hand for ill, whether you think it was implicated at Fukushima at all. And it is helpful to get a larger perspective because a lot of things are synergistically wrecking the planet, but the bad players behind them tend to be in the same club.

      Nuclear is horrendously bad — odds on the factor that outright tips us into an ELE[?] But the planet was in bad shape already, and with tons of disinfo spread around as to why.

      And no, you don't have to "buy into" that. But just be more tolerant, please. People do explore and integrate without necessarily having nefarious motives. REALLY.

    • name999 name999

      ig, HARP is for real…and even much worse things in US govt secret programs. Lies are destructive.

      • Jebus Jebus

        I did not get that Igmz denies the existance of HAARP.

        HAARP is real, but it did not cause Fukushima.

        Therefore why bring it here.

        Stuxnet is real, but it did not cause Fukushima.

        Therefore why bring it here?

        Fukushima is mans stupidity. Man's hubris.

        Mankinds ignorance of nature.

        Each issue is unique, connected, but not dependent.

        Anyone attempting to pour it all in one pot is trying to dilute at least one issue.

        Above all else, nothing matters, nothing moves forward, as long as Fukushima leaks into the sea…

        • JimLynch JimLynch

          Would kinda have to agree with you Jebus–all of the above "synergistic" human made FU's contribute to the death of life on Earth–but at the moment(and for the last 3.5 years) I would have to say Fukushima tops them all. Death by air, death by water, death by bio-accumulation in the food we eat. And no way to stop it or revive the perished life forms. Only they found a way to kill us softly and slowly with "no direct evidence of cause" with FUKU. Kinda like the hangman saying it wasn't the rope that killed him, it was the drop from the gallows.

        • norbu norbu

          jebus, ++++++ thank you for your Wisdom.

      • name999 name999

        PLEASE be careful about information here. Mine has been hacked. I would guess other's have also been hacked.

        Just to create a record here on Enenews, be careful of your records. People and their email and information can easily be hacked now.

        Your TV is watching you and I am not kidding.

      • name999 name999

        jebus, this site tries to sow seeds of discord at times, your message is a great message and I am on your side.

    • Igmz, good wishes your way too. All we can do is be with each other in our hearts even while great distances separate most of us. I hope you and your circles and dear ones fare well through whatever the winter brings in NM.

  • kintaman kintaman

    So I should not feel so foolish when people ridicule me for having picked up and left our lives in Japan almost immediately after 3.11? Oh the ribbing I have been taking from people both in Japan and abroad (mostly from non-Japanese) over having essentially ruined my career and abandoning our home in Japan.

    I know I made the right choice but struggle with it daily. I know I will never move home again though I have much family and friends there. Fuck TEPCO for what they have done to Japan and beyond.

    The main question I ask daily is why have they not all been arrested for these unspeakable crimes? It is simply unbelievable. Twilight zone…

  • Well, duh. Of course the actual descriptive word is meltthrough.

    Well to be clear, triple meltthrough over a mountain fed underground river. Actually to be clear, the mouth of said river that dumps into the Pacific ocean which feeds around 2 billion souls. And science doesn't even understand which fish got juiced and how the radiation climbs the food chain. Just know you and me are on top of the food chain. All that radiation smoldering for years. Yeah, Japan is fucked all right…….Yeah, yeah whatever. Thats not what keeps me awake at night. It's wondering how long radiation levels will stay low enough to service the 1400 or so spent fuel rod bundles and what a nuclear fire of said fuel bundles will look like on the West Coast. Me in Vancouver. These people state the obvious and the real Enenews members have been saying this for years. You don't need a fucking diploma to see the obvious despite the media obfuscation. Peace folks and to those so inclined, a hearty God Bless.

    • We Not They Finally

      Mark, since you are in Vancouver, Dana Durnford's work (beautifulgirlbydana) might most touch a chord for you. He is on his second expedition in your area (where he is from himself) right now to see first-hand what is happening to the ocean off of Vancouver. He also has a separate website called nuclearproctologist.com. A very good guy.

      • We Not They Finally, I appreciate the sentiment. However it is clear the local water is polluted regardless of Fukushima. The Fraser river is too polluted to swim in despite being the sixth largest river in the world. Our landfill is in a bog besides the river. As Vancouver sits east of Vancouver island we may have some protection from the radioactive plume. However the salmon returning have been at least halfway across the Pacific.
        Science knows little about bio accumulation or even where the salmon go. For me swimming in the ocean is acceptable but not eating even locally caught fish. Peace.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, we have entered and are not at the Outer Limits of the Twilight Zone! 🙂

    Insanity is often just ours and others fleeting thoughts bouncing into each other as they leave the room..

  • No indeed we are not even close to the outer limits. Folks, things can get expanotionally worse. Obewan §peaks; You are indeed extremely wise. Insanity on steroids is what I see. May the force indeed be with you.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Mark, and may the Force be with you always! 🙂 Crazy times straight ahead..

  • JustaLittleRain JustaLittleRain

    Hey, what are they cooling at rectors 4 and 5? They were doing some kind of failing patch over one pipe for both reactors. What happened with that? You see, my fear is we have more than 3 out of control reactors, if not now then soon. Aren't all the reactors still shut down in Japan?

  • rogerthat

    ''What we envisioned was that the entire eastern part of Japan would be annihilated.''
    – it appears Yoshida did not subscribe to the view that nuclear power is ''inherently safe''. This despite the fact that all the people in the nuclear food chain, all the way up to presidents and prime ministers, never tire of telling us that not only is it inherently safe but that nuclear power is too cheap to meter.

  • rogerthat

    “All of the nuclear materials could escape and spread. Our image was that of a catastrophe for eastern Japan,”
    – so where are the coriums? my clear impression is that they have all escaped containment in one way or another, and the nuclear materials that did not spread in the first few weeks have been escaping and spreading ever since, and will continue to do so for ever. So ''a catastrophe for eastern Japan'' sounds in the ballpark

    • rogerthat

      According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the various nuclear regulatory authorities, the united nations and governments, not to mention a pantheon of ''scientists'' and ''experts'', no-one died from the radiation emitted from the plant, and no-one has fallen ill, or will fall ill, as a result of radiation. they have, on the other hand, concluded that money, resources and manpower should be devoted to reducing stress in the wake of nuclear catastrophes, because stress is dangerous. Theatre of the bizarre.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/lewis-diuguid/article2064199.html
    Japan should rethink starting nuclear power plants
    BY LEWIS DIUGUID
    THE KANSAS CITY STAR
    09/11

    https://www.law360.com/classaction/articles/576910/tepco-moves-to-block-sailors-new-1b-fukushima-suit
    Tepco Moves To Block Sailors' New $1B Fukushima Suit
    By Juan Carlos Rodriguez

    Law360, New York (September 12, 2014, 4:54 PM ET) — Tokyo Electric Power Co. Inc. said Thursday that a group of U.S. Navy rescue personnel, who filed a $1 billion class action over their alleged exposure to nuclear radiation from the Fukushima power plant, can’t amend their complaint because it wouldn’t fix its inherent problems. …

    • Socrates

      Rogerthat,

      TEPCO attorneys said that during the August 25, 2014 in federal court in San Diego. Plaintiffs had filed a Petition to file A Second Amended Complaint on August 22, 2014. In the new Complaint, GE, Hitachi, Toshiba, and a now defunct engineering firm were added as defendants. There were some amendments (allegations) added in response to TEPCO's Motion to Dismiss (Number two).

      The judge was a bit confused. Plaintiffs, if effect, did not chose to "stand on their complaint." The Proposed Second Amended Complaint is very similar to the First Amended Complaint. TEPCO's attorneys argued that even these allegations, if allowed, would not fix the problem with the court's lack of jurisdiction over military decisions to launch a rescue operation.

      Ultimately, the court will have to decide if "all roads lead through the US military," as argued by TEPCO's counsel at the hearing on August 25, 2014.

      The court could deny any right to amend reasoning that TEPCO's counsel are right (there are two lawfirms appearing for TEPCO).

      Their is case precedent that the rescue is not a supervening act nor a military decision that should require dismissal at the pleading stage.

      The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco would probably allow plaintiffs one last chance to amend. Or, they might not see that all roads lead through military decisions.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.thestar.com/business/2014/09/09/opg_works_to_calm_concerns_over_nuclear_waste_dump.html
    … chiefs of the Saugeen Ojibway Nation (SON) told a federal panel as hearings re-opened Tuesday that they remain to be persuaded that OPG’s plans will protect their territory.
    OPG wants to bury low- and intermediate-level nuclear waste in a limestone formation 680 metres deep on the site of the Bruce nuclear plant near Kincardine.
    “We have come today with tough but open minds — and deep concerns over our future,” Chief Vernon Roote told the panel.
    Chief Arlene Cheghano said the SON doesn’t want to accept new risks, and noted that the waste site, which contains material that will remain dangerously radioactive for hundreds of millennia, is a “forever” project.
    … Gordon Edwards of the Canadian Coalition of Nuclear Responsibility … notes that OPG ultimately intends to bury waste from de-commissioned reactors at the site.
    “The variety of waste forms intended for OPG’s DGR staggers the imagination,” he wrote. …

  • rogerthat

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/plans-to-bury-nuclear-waste-near-lake-huron-considered-safe-by-independent-group-of-experts/article20487176/
    SHAWN MCCARTHY, OTTAWA, Sep. 8

    http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2014/09/11/scientist-blasts-dgr-plan
    By Rob Gowan, Sun Times, Owen Sound
    Thursday, September 11
    Ontario Power Generation is understating the hazards associated with the waste it is proposing to bury at its deep geological repository facility near Tiverton, according to a former OPG scientist.

    Dr. Frank Greening told the joint review panel looking into the proposed facility for low- and intermediate-level waste on Wednesday, that OPG is not doing enough sampling to properly determine the level of radiation in the waste, while some compounds are even going unreported.

    “OPG has not made an acceptable safety case for its proposed DGR, but on the contrary has underestimated the chemical and radiochemical hazards associated with a significant portion of its wastes,” Greening told the panel on the second day of two weeks of hearings on the proposed facility. “Overall, OPG has not provided a detailed accounting of the chemical and radiochemical characteristics of the wastes it plans to bury in its proposed DGR.”

    Following Greening's presentation, panel chairwoman Stella Swanson told Greening his presentation contained new information they needed to consider before determining if it would be accepted…

  • mt1000

    JAPAN PLANNING MILITARIZATION OF SPACE
    http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/08/japan-planning-militarization-space/

    I guess they are expecting to have someone else pay for Fuku damages…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Nuclear annihilation of entire eastern part of Japan envisioned"

    So much elaboration about the 'shock and awe' phase of the disaster.
    Perhaps ..they could move on now.
    And be as equally as elaborate in describing ..how they went about ..the conversations that went on ..in deciding to change their minds…and lie/withhold information ..forcing the people to endure the fate that is before them.

    This is what I want to know about.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nuclear annihilation ..
    The words roll off their mouths.
    What do TEPCO and Japanese government thinks will be the extent of this contamination.
    Chernobyl was an accident on undisturbed ground.
    The same can not be said ..about Fukushima.
    There are now tons of corium off-shore Japan.
    (and embedded in a disturbed and fragile shoreline) ..on the 'Ring of Fire".

    Nuclear annihilation.
    Perhaps they should expand their concept and understanding ..of what that might mean.

    • pure water

      Nuclear annihilation -the Pacific ocean goes first together with the Eastern Japan. Till the science starts working as it has meant to be – searching for truth in the realm of the unknown.Till the intention of survival reaches the wisdom to respect life and dignity, till humans become humane.
      It has to be done before anyone looked inside atom. May be it is time to think what is the preservable part of our civilization.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Not sure there is anything worthy enough to preserve inside the human civilizations…

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    ONE NUCLEAR PLANT IS DOING ALL THIS . . .

    And the world is littered with them (( nuclear plants )).

    The meltdowns come without warning, as proven by Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima, and others.

    No one knows where or when a meltdown will occur.

    • Gasser Gasser

      How Nuclear screwed are we?…future mutant children will be born with Phillips heads sporting right hand turn threads on the legs for the robot insensitive Nuclear cartel to use their new robot Screwumall machine that eliminates coffin hole digging, it just screws Nuclear contaminated mortals deeply into the earth…there is no Easy Out invented yet, if body's get broken off in the process.

  • ecoguy57

    TEPCO has lied to the people of Japan and to the world about the true levels of radiation released into the atmosphere, ground and into the Pacific Ocean! TEPCO also continues to dump millions of gallons of radioactive waste into the Pacific Ocean nonstop every single day to contaminate the fish, ocean life and animals. There is now verified proof of DNA damage and mutations throughout the food chain and we humans are next to suffer! Experts recommend to commence detoxing with the natural mineral called zeolite that is proven to safely remove both radiation and heavy metals from the human body.This MUST Be Done to help prevent DNA damage that will cause disease and future ongoing genetic mutations! For more quality information do an online search for the single word Zeolite.

  • Occupant Occupant

    ENENEWS SHAME ON YOU! The headlines link to current stories [which is good], most of the stories are interviews with people that tell about their fears of the plants meltdown DURING THE WEEK OF THE ACTUAL DISASTER SOME THREE YEARS AGO, but the headlines lead the reader to think the end of the world is imminent NOW, TODAY [which is deceptive].

  • Occupant Occupant

    You may have missed my point. The problem is the current deceptive headline reads as if it is occurring NOW TODAY. The headline ought to state that it was [[[ back in 2011 ]]] they felt All the melted nuclear fuel will escape from containment vessel … it’s completely exposed — Nuclear annihilation of entire eastern part of Japan envisioned

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty clear to me. Shut all these Nuclear Rattle Traps down now! 🙂

  • name999 name999

    I am honored to post here with a true dissenting consensus.

    Get rid of Nukes, trade them out for something sustainable.

    Thank You Enenews.

  • name999 name999

    And sometimes the things I write show up in different places on the conversation from where I put them.

    Words can mean something different if they are placed in a different place in a conversation like this one is.

    Still a great honor to post with the minds that oppose the death of birds, whales, sea lions, eagles, clams, many other forms of life being brutally killed by nuclear wastes flowing into our Pacific Ocean.

    SHUT THEM ALL DOWN.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Is there some reason ya'll are commenting on a 5 month old thread?

    Now I'm in. 🙂

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