TV: 50 billion pounds of Japan debris should reach West Coast beaches — Concern it “may contain radioactivity” — “Just a monstrous debris field coming our way” says oceanographer (VIDEO)

Published: December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm ET
By
Email Article Email Article
36 comments


Report: First debris from Japan tsunami reaches West Coast, KIRO, Dec. 18, 2011:

SOURCE: Jim Ingraham via KIRO

[...] Researchers who have tracked wind and water currents in the Pacific since 1970 [...] said about a fourth of the 100 million tons of debris from Japan should reach beaches up and down the West Coast.

“It’s just a monstrous debris field coming our way,” said Curt Ebbesmeyer, one of the oceanographers. [...]

About the size of California, according to Ebbesmeyer’s estimation. [...]

“We’re at the beginning of the beginning,” Ebbesmeyer said. [...]

Though not included in the article, the newscaster ends the segment stating: “There is also concern the debris may contain radioactivity.”

Watch the video here

Published: December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm ET
By
Email Article Email Article
36 comments

Related Posts

  1. CBS: New photos from west coast show large amounts of tsunami debris — Field the size of Calif. headed toward US, says estimate (PHOTOS & VIDEO) December 17, 2011
  2. TV: Serious concerns in U.S. about Fukushima radioactive material coming to our shores — WSJ: There’s concern around world that ocean currents are spreading the radioactivity to faraway places (VIDEO) November 25, 2013
  3. TV: “We don’t want to create a panic, but it’s good to know” — Radioactive tsunami debris coming to Hawaii “much earlier” than predicted (VIDEO) October 19, 2011
  4. Video: Fukushima debris “waist high” on Canadian island; “Catastrophic death” trapped in nets, it’s horrifying; 15-mile long lines of floating trash — Journalist: Radioactive tsunami debris found far from Fukushima plant — Global concern over spread of contamination July 29, 2014
  5. Senator: We need agressive plan to deal with mass of “toxic debris” headed to US from Japan — Concern over hazards to people, fish & clogged waterways November 10, 2011

36 comments to TV: 50 billion pounds of Japan debris should reach West Coast beaches — Concern it “may contain radioactivity” — “Just a monstrous debris field coming our way” says oceanographer (VIDEO)

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: “We’re at the beginning of the beginning,” Ebbesmeyer said

    More like: “We’re at the beginning of the end”

    End of Clean Beaches ..End of Safe Waters…and so on..


    Report comment

    • jimbojamesiv

      It really is like the sci-fi of the past where the future humanoids couldn’t go outside and lived underground and/or in domes, etc. & etc.


      Report comment

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Am reporting this development (and this article’s contents) to a local city council and water board tomorrow night, God willing. They are giving me the floor for three minutes.

      Please see my post re: ACTION ALERT! WEST COAST. In the “active discussion” thread (new topic). I hope I’m pointing y’all to the correct place to look for the post.

      If not, please let me know.


      Report comment

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Am postponing due to pressing personal business. Want to do this next month with the Council’s blessing. Would still like to coordinate with others in this effort.


        Report comment

    • many moons

      End of swimming in the ocean. End of eating fish. End of beach houses.
      End of walking along the beach. End of fishing. End of sunbathing…the ends go on and on


      Report comment

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      With this horrible news, let’s please remember to count the blessings of each and every day we have allotted to us. May we be thankful for the blessings of good health, friends, and family. May we cherish each moment. Who, by worrying, can extend his life by even a moment?

      Here’s something lighthearted which I hope will warm the hearts of the weary and discouraged:

      http://www.flixxy.com/best-christmas-lights-display.htm

      I’m not saying (at all!) we should turn our backs and not face the ugly truth. It helps, though, sometimes, to stop and smell the roses, and remember there is still some beauty and love in the world, despite all the troubles and devastation.


      Report comment

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Yikes. Knew it was coming, horrific seeing this report. Posted to Fluffpost.


    Report comment

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Shouldn’t these people be protect better at least with, Gloves, Boots, Masks, Geiger Counters?


    Report comment

  • or-well

    The tsunami debris-field may have been getting fresh dousings of radiation, courtesy of the atmosphere, from ongoing or intermittent releases from Fuku Dai.

    Free delivery, fresh and hot.

    Have any westcoasters here heard local authorities mentioning this ? Or mentioning any plans at all ?


    Report comment

  • markww markww

    BREAKING NEWS——————- Read a article today that the size of the debris field was 2 times the size of Texas

    Mark


    Report comment

  • Tacoma-WA. Tacoma-WA.

    or-well, nothing is said on the news about any of this. Nothing about the radiation that rains down on us. Last Saturday we received the most radiation ever and nothing on the news about it. I for one am making plans on moving away from here in early 2013. That’s the fastest I can.


    Report comment

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      The local mayor here sounded very concerned. The city council person I spoke with has relatives in Seattle, and told me she had heard nothing about this.

      Do you suppose we’re not better informed because the Feds thought the debris wouldn’t arrive until 2013 (according to previous estimates) and have dragged their feet? Since apparently no plan is in effect, or there’s no plan to make a plan (?) maybe they figure the less talk, the better.

      Another FEMA and Hurricane Katrina in the making? Did the inaction taken during Hurricane Katrina set the precedent here?

      IMHO, the only way we can do anything about this is to scream loud and clear to local representatives, and see if they can bring pressure to bear up the chain of command. That is, we can (and should) present the facts as clearly as possible. Since many of them are probably reasonable people and not doing public service as some kind of ego trip, they might take action.

      I’d trust local officials much more than anyone from state or federal govt. at this point. If we deal with local people at least we stand the chance of seeing SOMETHING DONE, even if it’s testing our water for contaminants.


      Report comment

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        I meant, even if it’s ONLY testing our water for contamination. That would be more than is being done now, except by concerned citizens and people at sites like this.


        Report comment

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Subscribed to the eponline newsletter. Am hoping since I’m planning to do research on this for my coursework for the next 2-4 years, they’ll allow me to continue to belong to the group, even though no co. at present.

      http://eponline.com/articles/2011/11/08/epa-partners-with-federal-agencies-to-track-japan-tsunami-debris.aspx?sc_lang=en&returnkey=oS613sBodFtQ2Rfv5irsJ6Escw7lpKdC
      EPA Partners with Federal Agencies to Track Japan Tsunami Debris
      Nov 08, 2011
      The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and other federal agencies are teaming up to document and track potential marine debris generated by the Japan earthquake and resultingtsunami in March.
      EPA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will issue a monthly bulletin to keep key stakeholders informed about tsunami debris activities, an effort from an EPA lead marine debris workshop held in June in Honolulu.
      The workshop, part of the regular Oceania Regional Response Team meeting, explored options for a coordinated response to the tsunami debris. The ORRT, comprised of federal, state and U.S. Territory agencies, has an area of responsibility that includes Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
      Follow up meetings resulted in a coordinated strategy for reporting of debris sightings. An advisory was issued to U.S. flag vessels at the end of September by the Department of Transportation’s Maritime Administration (MARAD) requesting voluntary reporting of significant debris sightings in the open ocean to better characterize the extent and nature of the debris field.

      For more information on EPA Region 9’s marine debris efforts and to subscribe to the Tsunami Debris Bulletin and receive it via email visit:

      http://www.epa.gov/region9/marine-debris/
      For more information on Tsunami Debris and the NOAA Marine Debris Program visit:
      http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/info/japanfaqs.html and http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/welcome.html


      Report comment

  • Dr. Awesome Dr. Awesome

    How are we going to safely collect all of this debris?
    What sampling methods will be used to test this trash?
    Besides radiation, what other chemicals & biologicals should we test for?
    Who will conduct the sampling?
    Upon data collection, subsequent analysis, & classification, who will decide the fate of this trash?
    I predict that this trash will be buried and burned.
    Thoughts?
    Much love to all.
    Peace.
    No Nukes!


    Report comment

    • or-well

      Federal funding funneled to FEMA ?

      How long will it take for the debris-field to come ashore ?

      Will cleanup wait or be ongoing ?

      Booms and scoop vessels a la oilspill ?
      (Oil company involvement?)


      Report comment

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Hey Doc Awesome,

      Great questions, and I’d like to use those questions in my presentation to local govt. Your comments pretty much hit the proverbial nail on the head. Those are very good questions to ask — to prod local officials to be thinking along proactive lines ….

      Speaking of nails, the Japanese have a saying, “The nail that sticks up will be hammered down.” In Japan, it means people prefer conformity (being more or less collectivist thinkers), and nonconformist views are not welcomed.

      I’d like to think the Japanese people are starting to question ideas like that.

      Here’s another worthy saying, “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.”

      OK squeakers, let’s get to work and grease the apparatus of public policy to get those wheels turning …. Let us be like mice that roared!


      Report comment

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi Dr. Awesome

      I agree some trash will be buried and burned.

      Some will be treated as they did with the toxic oil chunks..Grind up and bury it with new sand on top.

      Without testing, to see if it is safe for kids to dig and play in it.


      Report comment

  • Dr. Awesome Dr. Awesome

    Dr. HoTaters,

    Yes, please use any and all information I share with you. We are all a universal consciousness. My questions are yours also.
    We also need to research and discuss geiger counters as a community.
    What do geiger counters measure? What can’t they measure?
    What are the proper calibration methods and how often should one be calibrated?
    What is the proper method to store, carry, and use the geiger counters?
    What is the proper way to record and share data?
    Always consider personal safety as far as exposure to chemicals, biologicals, & radioactivity when using geiger counters.
    What type of personal protective equipment should be utilized during sampling?

    We can petition to all environmental equipment manufacturers and rental companies for help, information, donations, and/or reduced prices in this time of crisis.

    All questions and comments are welcome.
    Much love to you all.
    Peace.
    No Nukes!


    Report comment

    • markww markww

      When you get a Geiger counter they are calibrated with a radioactive product. Every year or so you take it to a local calibration lab and they do it for about 65 bucks.I purchased one from the company online I have a hand held MC-1k radiation alert.

      Depends on the type of unit people have mine does gamma which is the worst of everything.


      Report comment

  • larry-andrew-nils

    there’s gotta be some good shit in that big pile of floating debris.

    i feel that there will be many people going through the garbage looking for goodies. radioactive or not.

    must be some briefcases full of money. boxes of diamonds… excellent wood for salvage… and so on.

    a scavenger’s delight.


    Report comment

    • Sickputer

      Read Alas Babylon by Pat Frank. This 1959 nuclear war survival novel has a character named Porky Logan who loots radioactive jewelry from a bombed city and falls deathly ill.

      Scavengers beware!


      Report comment

  • StillJill StillJill

    No, no word from ANYONE here,…,still on the Westcoast. Not a peep since the ‘cold-shutdown’ pats on the backs all around the other day. I’m thinking that Uncle Arnie’s statement that THIS might well blow up in their faces,…the cold-shut-down that is, might be my long requested Christmas present–Uncle Arnie going all FUKU. I’m a patient woman! :-)


    Report comment

  • skizexq skizexq

    welp, larry, I reckon we’re gonna halfta go get some of that day-bris to dees-play on sumpin’ for summin…you betcha, good chit/


    Report comment

  • markww markww

    BROWNS GAS can burn and eliminate the radioactivity. It is a high burning gas and the elements of it can eat the radioactivity, and also vaporize any toxins. They have to just build the incinerators.
    Mark


    Report comment

  • markww markww

    Good Morning Anne Browns Gas burns so hot and the chemicals that make up browns gas can neutralize radioactive particles.I gave that material and how it works to the Governors on the West Coast. They are going to hopefully work with NASA and NWS and other people and scientists.

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Browns_gas

    Mark


    Report comment

    • VanneV anne

      Quotation from your citation:
      ‘The DOE argued 1) ‘the radioactivity was encapsulated in the sample’, but the sample was crushed and the Geiger counter reading was the same. They argued 2) ‘the radioactivity must be disparaged into the atmosphere’ while the department of health preformed in depth investigation of the environment.”
      http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Browns_gas


      Report comment

    • VanneV anne

      The Nuclear Alchemy Gamble: An Assessment of Transmutation as a Nuclear Waste Management Strategy
      Statement of Hisham Zerriffi, Senior Scientist
      May 24, 2000, National Press Club, Washington DC

      “…However, even if all of the technologies deemed necessary by its proponents are developed, this scheme cannot be realized. Even proponents of the scheme now acknowledge that a geologic repository would still be needed for much of the residual long-lived waste, including elements like plutonium and neptunium, as well as fission and activation products. In fact, only two of the dozen or so long-lived fission and activation products can be effectively transmuted. Huge volumes of “low-level” and transuranic waste will also be created. Moreover, proliferation dangers would increase due to repeated separation of plutonium and other transuranic materials in reprocessing plants. New reactor types will be necessary and they will create new safety risks. So after hundreds of billions of dollars in investment, the existing problem will not be solved and new ones will be created.

      “How then is transmutation proposed to occur? Transmutation requires a nuclear reactor of some type to generate the requisite flux of neutrons. The transmutation reactions occur when a neutron strikes the nucleus of the atom being transmuted. The nucleus either absorbs the neutron to become a new radionuclide or it fissions. However, these nuclear reactions can also transform short-lived radionuclides into long-lived radionuclides, defeating the purpose of transmutation. Furthermore, when uranium, which is approximately 94% of the mass of the spent fuel, is placed in the reactor it forms more plutonium. Therefore, in order for transmutation to work, only those radionuclides that can be fissioned or can be effectively transmuted from long-lived ones to short-lived ones must be selectively put into the reactor…


      Report comment

      • VanneV anne

        [cont.]
        “It must first be reiterated that these systems cannot overcome some of the fundamental limitations of transmutation which I spoke about earlier. They cannot transmute the uranium or some of the other long-lived radionuclides. They will also create new waste….

        “In conclusion, ATW, like all other transmutation schemes, has fundamental limitations and a number of associated problems. Transmutation will not solve the nuclear waste problem and could, in fact, make it worse. The waste transmutation program should be ended now, in its early phase, before needless expenditures and risks have been incurred. ….”
        http://www.ieer.org/reports/transm/hisham.html


        Report comment