TV: Alert issued after fire at U.S. nuclear site — “Trigger for fire may have actually happened hours before” (VIDEO)

Published: June 25th, 2013 at 3:09 pm ET
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Title: Alert issued at Oak Ridge National Laboratory for small fire
Source: WBIR
Date: June 24, 2013

The U.S. Department of Energy said a small fire ignited in one of the rooms at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

Authorities issued an alert Sunday at 11:45 p.m. after a fire alarm went off, activating the room’s sprinkler system. When ORNL firefighters arrived, they saw smoke in the building and reported the fire had been extinguished.

The building is part of the Tru Waste Processing Center, which is managed by the Oak Ridge Emergency Management Site Office. […]

U.S. Department of Energy said they’re continuing their investigation into what started the fire […]

ABC 6: “The trigger for that fire may have actually happened hours before”

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Published: June 25th, 2013 at 3:09 pm ET
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41 comments to TV: Alert issued after fire at U.S. nuclear site — “Trigger for fire may have actually happened hours before” (VIDEO)

  • combomelt combomelt

    Lol
    I was kinda close…
    combomelt June 23, 2013 at 10:41 pm · Reply

    "well Its Sunday night and the weekend is done. I can hardly wait for wednesdays news to find out which npps had problems "on sat or sun" requiring one type of emergency shutdown or another because of some failure of some sort leading to releases that are/weren't any immediate danger. Waiting sucks. I Should have sheltered in place yesterday. Ahhh what a mad mad mad mad world!

  • crystalwind crystalwind

    Rats, no doubt.

  • What I found of interest in the article was that they are still dealing with waste from almost as far back as the Manhattan Project.

    What does that tell you?

    Over 60+ years ago. 😉

    Waste Processing Center:
    "It deals with waste that had been generated going back many many years, almost to the Manhattan Project," said Department of Energy Oak Ridge Public Affairs Director John Shewairy. – from article

    • ion jean ion jean

      Whatdya think Tru Waste is? The wasted human race zapped by Plutonium and thousands of other ionizing fission products of a fractured uranium atom…if there was a blue glow, we'll find out 30 years from now when/if it's declassified!

  • theroyprocess

    Isn't Oak Ridge Lab down wind of D.C., and the east coast including New York City? So is Davis Besse Nuclear Plant near Toledo, Ohio! How long will they pretend? The West coast will soon be radioactive with debris from Fukushima, Japan.

  • theroyprocess

    There is an alternative to 'storage' of invisible, deadly nuclear waste which will contaminate the environment forever. Nuclear waste can be transmuted to a non-radioactive element and the decay heat can generate electricity. See
    ;
    Petition – Please sign

    THE ROY PROCESS FOR THE TRANSMUTATION AND NEUTRALIZATION OF RADIO ACTIVE WASTE

    Please join this campaign: http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-senator-harry-reid-amend-the-nuclear-waste-policy-act?share_id=OQwAwNKSwf&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

    There is a viable, cost effective alternative to the federal policy of burying nuclear waste. First, there must be a Congressional Bill passed to allow transmutation, or backwards engineering nuclear waste to a non-radioactive element. In addition to eliminating nuclear waste, the decay heat can turn the steam electric generators at each nuclear power plant to produce electricity.

    The Roy Process website – New website under construction
    http://web.archive.org/web/20110430022218/http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/

    No Time To Waste: E.I.S. – The Roy Process
    for Neutralizing Nuclear Waste – About 18 min.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGHSnDXLgQ&feature=youtu.be

    United States Senator Harry Reid: Amend the Nuclear Waste Policy Act

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      No one can sign a petition on a unproven process. Transmutation has never been successful and creates even more toxic and radioactive tran.

      TRANSMUTATION OF RADIOACTIVE WASTES IS "NUCLEAR ALCHEMY GAMBLE"
      Hugely Expensive Technology Would Increase Environmental, Health, Safety
      And Nuclear Proliferation Risks, New Report Says
      "’Asking the public for huge sums of money for new reactor research and development under the guise of radioactive waste management appears to be largely a scheme to perpetrate the nuclear power industry using public opposition to waste repositories as an excuse,’ said Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER. ‘Our research shows that the road will not only be costly and dangerous, but that it will also be a dead end. There is no magic bullet for solving the problem of long-lived nuclear waste.’
      “According to The Nuclear Alchemy Gamble, even transmutation proponents agree that many long-lived components of radioactive waste, such as cesium-135 and carbon-14, cannot be transformed into less dangerous forms because of fundamental limitations that cannot be overcome by technology development. Uranium, which makes up 94% of the mass of the spent fuel, cannot be transmuted because it would result in the production of even more plutonium. In some cases, the report notes, transmutation would create new and even more toxic transuranic radioactive materials, making the residual wastes far more dangerous per pound….”
      http://www.ieer

    • Trawling4Trolls

      No 'tanx

  • norbu norbu

    Turn out the lights the party is over. Sing it Willie….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsTAUs_h_uY

  • theroyprocess

    The late Dr. Radha Roy was born in Calcutta, India and was personally invited by General Eisenhower to London, England to teach physics for the WWII war effort. He was a personal house guest of the Curies and knew the elite physicists in Europe.

    Since we are using public tax payers money, don't you think we should test alternatives to 'burial' of nuclear waste which the government knows will not work? The aim of nuclear reactors is to make plutonium 239 for atom bombs, the rest is PR to entrench nuclear power in the economy.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      No, I don't. It costs and huge amount of money and has been proven to make the waste problem even worse:

      Transmutation of Radioactive Wastes is “Nuclear Alchemy Gamble”
      Hugely Expensive Technology Would Increase Environmental, Health, Safety And Nuclear Proliferation Risks, New Report Says

      “Washington, D.C. (May 24, 2000): Nuclear industry claims for a proposed radioactive waste management technology called “transmutation” are fundamentally deficient and overly optimistic according to a new report released today at the National Press Club. The Nuclear Alchemy Gamble: An Assessment of Transmutation as a Nuclear Waste Management Strategy, by the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research (IEER), warns of the high cost and technical limitations of transmutation, as well as the safety and environmental dangers it poses. Transmutation aims to convert long-lived radioactive waste components, such as plutonium, into short-lived or stable materials. Some proponents claim the technology could reduce the period over which nuclear wastes remain dangerous from millions of years to a few centuries.

      “’Transmutation will not solve the nuclear waste problem and could, in fact, make it worse,” said Hisham Zerriffi, principal author of the report and a Senior Scientist at IEER. “Even proponents of the scheme now acknowledge that a geologic repository would still be needed for much of the residual long-lived waste.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        [cont.]
        Huge volumes of ‘low-level’ and transuranic waste will also be created. Moreover, proliferation dangers would increase due to repeated separation of plutonium and other transuranic materials in reprocessing plants. The waste transmutation program should be ended now, in its early phase, before needless expenditures and risks have been incurred.’
        “The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is considering launching a transmutation program that is based on preliminary work done at the agency’s nuclear weapons laboratories, principally the Los Alamos National Laboratory and the Argonne National Laboratory. Other countries, notably France and Japan, also have active research programs in place.

        “’Asking the public for huge sums of money for new reactor research and development under the guise of radioactive waste management appears to be largely a scheme to perpetrate the nuclear power industry using public opposition to waste repositories as an excuse,’ said Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER. ‘Our research shows that the road will not only be costly and dangerous, but that it will also be a dead end. There is no magic bullet for solving the problem of long-lived nuclear waste.’

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        [cont.]
        “According to The Nuclear Alchemy Gamble, even transmutation proponents agree that many long-lived components of radioactive waste, such as cesium-135 and carbon-14, cannot be transformed into less dangerous forms because of fundamental limitations that cannot be overcome by technology development. Uranium, which makes up 94% of the mass of the spent fuel, cannot be transmuted because it would result in the production of even more plutonium. In some cases, the report notes, transmutation would create new and even more toxic transuranic radioactive materials, making the residual wastes far more dangerous per pound.

        “Transmutation of long-lived radionuclides into short-lived ones can only be done in a nuclear reactor. To be a useful management tool, the report points out, transmutation would require fast breeder reactors, a technology that has not been successfully commercialized after decades of effort, and billions of dollars of expenditures.

        “’France and Japan have long had breeder reactor programs that have proven to be costly, technically unreliable, and environmentally problematic. They also raise serous proliferation concerns,’ according to Annie Makhijani, IEER Project Scientist and the report’s co-author. ‘Transmutation would only perpetuate these problems and add new ones.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        [cont.]
        For instance, breeder reactor operation was never really mastered even with simpler plutonium fuels, yet would be far more complex with transmutation fuels, creating new safety risks.’

        “Many of these concerns already exist because of nuclear programs in countries outside the United States that attempt to use plutonium as fuel. Currently, a number of countries use mixed oxide (MOX) reactor fuel, a blend of plutonium oxide and uranium oxide. Several countries, including the United States, have also attempted to develop breeder reactors, which were supposed to produce more plutonium than they consumed.

        “Advanced transmutation schemes would require a complex, entirely new reactor type, called a sub-critical reactor, which would create significant new safety risks. These proposals would, in whole or in part, replace the ordinary critical reactors with a reactor that cannot sustain a chain reaction. In order to operate, such a “sub-critical” reactor requires an external source of neutrons, which would be produced by accelerated protons hitting a target of heavy metal. Work on Accelerator Transmutation of Waste (ATW) is being conducted at research facilities in several countries, including at Los Alamos. Proponents of such technologies claim it is safer than current reactors. The IEER report states that ATW systems could create new and little understood risks.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        [cont.]
        “’Sub-critical systems can actually be more dangerous than conventional reactors if, as is often the case, there are more subsystems that can fail or initiate failures, and fewer backups,’ noted Dr. Lawrence Lidsky, Professor of Nuclear Engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a reviewer of the report. ‘Probabilistic risk analysis is a complex art, requiring a deep understanding of possible accident initiators and accident progression, and the ATW design is far too rudimentary at this time to apply this powerful tool. However, it is clear that the currently envisaged ATW systems are more complex than fission reactors, have more accident initiators, and many fewer backup safety systems.’

        “The report recommends a halt to transmutation research and the use of plutonium as a nuclear reactor fuel and urges creation of a sound, scientific program of studying waste disposal alternatives.”
        http://ieer.org/resource/reports/nuclear-alchemy-gamble/

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          The DOE investigated transmutation and found it to be a scheme to make money on the research, but is not a successful process. Transmutation was investigated by scientists at Los Alamos. The government will not pay for research which has already been shown to be impossible.

          The nuclear industry is desperate to solve the waste problem or no new licenses will be granted. But propaganda will not solve the problem. Reprocessing and transmutation do not get rid of nuclear waste. Creating more nuclear waste is really nonsensical.

  • theroyprocess

    The late Dr. Roy, professor of physics emeritus, released to an AP worldwide news story in 1979 , that he had indeed invented 'The Roy Process' Search Youtube for [ No Time To Waste EIS ] Scientists of a large company said the Roy Process was 'entirely feasible'. Then five lawyers offered Dr. Roy 5 million dollars to shelve the Roy Process which Dr. Roy refused. Then A.S.U. sued to claim Roy process was their property and lost. after they could not buy the Roy Process, or steal it, then President Reagan signed the 1982 Nuclear Waste Policy Act which limited science to 'burial' of nuclear waste.

    When did Anne see the Roy Process? It IS NOT reprocessing as she says!

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      The report came out in 2000, long after 1979.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        And what I say does not matter. No reason to attack me. The government scientists wrote the report. Argue with the government or the scientists involved. I am just calling attention to the report.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I never said that it was reprocessing. It is just that both methods, whether reprocessing or transmutation, do not get rid of nuclear waste.

    • razzz razzz

      Japan was just trying to turn some radioactive gold into inert gold by using their collider but the usual 'mechanical' failure caused a radioactive release instead.

      Even after separating out each and every specific atom of radionuclides, Roy never really said how to precisely aim a proton to split an atom into the number of exact atoms desired and do it consistently because random splits gets you back to square one. It is also expensive keep your collider up to speed besides getting all the atoms involved on a target board to standstill.

  • theroyprocess

    The late Dr. Roy estimated 2 million dollars in 1979 to neutralize some Cesium 137. It would take about 2 weeks. The decay heat amount can be measured for electricity production. Radiation is the paramount environmental health threat. Most disease rates increased worldwide from 1945, the beginning of the atomic age.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Even if it were true about cesium-137, there are many more radioactive by-products, fissile elements, and transuranics. Taking care of one and making other much worse and costing a ton of money without solving the nuclear waste problem is not sensible. What is the half-life of Cesium-137? And 2 million dollars would be much more. And how much is some Cesium? And how much exists in the stored spent fuel in the US alone?

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Well the half-life is 30 years. Transmutation doesn't get rid of the iranium and the plutonium. Cesium isn't even fissile. And transmutation makes the transuranics even more toxic and radioactive.

  • theroyprocess

    Fukushima's Radiation Threat with Dr. Chris Busby

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4X5CfZiGJ8&feature=player_embedded

  • theroyprocess

    Radioactive waste: Dumped and Forgotten

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_lzoYl9AU

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      TY, the royprocess. This was a really great interview with Dr. Busby. He was talking about Sellafield (rhe reprocessing plant), and downwind exposures from NPP and weapons from the Iraq. The greatest problem the fine particles of uranium for all of these, even nano particles of uranium which goes through the skin. He said that many people die from internal exposure to radiation from other causes before cancer would develop, because the whole immune system is lowered from radiation.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Fukushima's Radiation Threat with Dr. Chris Busby
        Published on May 1, 2013
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5SXko
        “The ending few minutes are really good, so try to stick through to the ending.

        “Here's the video Chris Busby was talking about where he measured the filter from the lady's air conditioner in Tokyo:
        “Shocking Tokyo Japan Radiation Test by Dr. Chris Busby (Fukushima Fallout)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9pk42

        “Dr Busby describes measurements made on an air conditing unit filter from inside an apartment in central Tokyo. This was sent by a lady in Tokyo who wanted to know if it was safe to live there. The filter only collected air from inside the apartment. It shows the presence of 130000Bq/kg radio Caesium in the dust plus enriched Uranium and for the first time Lead-210/Polonium-210. The apartment was evacuated from the Tuesday after the catastrophe and the machine switched off; and the family returned 5 months later. This and much other information about the health effects and cover ups, including leaked data are to be found in Dr Busby's new book in Japanese: the Horror of Fukushima, published on 25th July by Kodansha in Tokyo
        http://youtu.be/AOobTcwzElw

        “here is a list of other Very Good videos by Chris Busby you should check out, if you have not already:
        http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=
        “and there are many many more.

        “Here are his web sights:
        http://www.llrc.org/
        http://www.greenaudit.org/
        http://nuclearjustice

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        I think I meant this as a reply to the post just above.

    • Jebus Jebus

      And that's exactly why ANY, old or new, nuclear needs to be stopped.
      Anything that man does, that is so dangerous, albeit deadly, will be disposed of in the most detrimental manner.
      Each corporation or utility will economically trump the safeguards put in place, just by the very nature of the expense.
      The bottom line is about profit not safety…

      • Jebus Jebus

        I will add that in todays world, the insurance risk, puts the safety mechanisms in place in the corporate world, not the corporation.
        Where are the nuclear insurance policies?
        Left to the free market, nuclear is done.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      TY, theroyprocess. The film on radioactive waste dumped at sea isvery good. We have to stop making radioactive waste.

  • ftlt

    STOP!!! Really, think about it… How many fires there have been since Fukushima at nuclear facilities…

    The total seems extraordinarily high to me…

    Let's say there are a 2000 major sites in the world.. The number of fires seems to have been in the multiple dozens now in just 2 years ( for many reasons)..

    WAY HIGH for any industry, I would think…

    It just seems weird to me…

    Is there something inherently combustible about nuclear sites???..

    Nuclear security and safety oversight are supposed to be at the highest levels given the known dangers and threats that nuclear materials pose.. Fires are should be prevented occurring – not controlled after they start.. WHAT IS GOING ON???