Published: September 28th, 2012 at 7:05 am ET
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Title: Senators ask Army to provide answers on Cold War-era experiments in St. Louis
Source: St. Louis Beacon
Author: Robert Koenig
Date: Sept 27, 2012
Responding to a new study of a previously reported issue, Missouri’s U.S. senators asked the Army on Thursday to provide details of the potential health impact of – and the possibility of a radioactive component to – Cold War-era particle-dispersal experiments in St. Louis.
In separate statements, U.S. Sens. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Roy Blunt, R-Mo., expressed concern about news reports – based on an academic thesis discussed this week by sociologist Lisa Martino-Taylor – that the Army’s studies of the aerosol dispersal of fluorescent particles of zinc cadmium sulfide in St. Louis in the 1950s and ’60s may have violated ethics rules and could have had unintended health effects.
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In his letter, Blunt asked the Army to report on the specific areas exposed to the spraying, the health impact of exposure to the chemical compounds, and whether there was indeed a radioactive component to the testing in Missouri.
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Title: I-Team: The Army’s secret Cold War experiments on St. Louisans
Source: KSDK St. Louis
Author: Leisa Zigman
Date: Sep 25, 2012
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The I-Team independently verified that the spraying of zinc cadmium sulfide did take place in St. Louis on thousands of unsuspecting citizens. What is unclear is whether the Army added a radioactive material to the compound as [sociologist Lisa] Martino-Taylor’s research implies.
Lisa Martino-Taylor
“The study was secretive for reason. They didn’t have volunteers stepping up and saying yeah, I’ll breathe zinc cadmium sulfide with radioactive particles,” said Martino-Taylor.
Army archive pictures show how the tests were done in Corpus Christi, Texas in the 1960s. In Texas, planes were used to drop the chemical. But in St. Louis, the Army placed chemical sprayers on buildings and station wagons.
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“There is a lot of evidence that shows people in St. Louis and the city, in particular minority communities, were subjected to military testing that was connected to a larger radiological weapons testing project,” she said.
For the first time, she links the St. Louis testing to a company called US Radium, a company notorious for lawsuits involving radioactive contamination of its workers.
“US radium had this reputation where they had been found legally liable for producing a radioactive powdered paint that killed many young women who painted fluorescent watch tiles,” said Martino-Taylor.
While the Army admits it added a florescent substance to the zinc cadmium compound, details of whether it was radioactive remains secret.
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Excerpts from Martino-Taylor’s newly released 838-page dissertation (Viewable here):
- Most disturbingly, evidence indicates that the St. Louis aerosol studies may have involved the spraying of unsuspecting vulnerable populations with pernicious radioactive isotopes.
- Pieces of the puzzle continued to fit together, and early one Sunday morning, I had the jarring realization that the St. Louis aerosol study was much more aligned with radioactive military testing than with bioweapons or chemical weapons projects, and that a network of Manhattan-Project related scientists seemed to be tied to the St. Louis study. I found this revelation literally breathtaking, and the daunting task of putting this information together even more so.
- There is a strong indication, particularly given the level of extreme secrecy surrounding the St. Louis study, and the involvement of Monsanto, that radioactive materials were sprayed in the St. Louis test series.
- A 1993 GAO report indicated that the US military had been engaging in secret radiation tests on humans since the 1940s
Published: September 28th, 2012 at 7:05 am ET
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Add to the growing list of radiologic events that the country has been exposed to…
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Consistently, more time – more poisons revealed.
Why?
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How convenient that those Mengeles are no longer among us or do not remember or did just follow orders.
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well, of course they did
DARPA boys having fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbERctclzg&feature=related
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Just the tip of the iceberg….
Does Chemo For Cancer Cause More Harm Than Good? via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/does-chemo-for-breast-cancer-cause-more.html
Downwinders And Nuclear Bomb Testing; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/downwinders-and-nuclear-bomb-testing.html
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Even without a radioactive component, cadmium is carcenogenic anyway.
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I always hear people say…"oh if what you are saying is true…so many people being involved in the event, at least one person would have come forward and warned the people that event had occured."
I hear that about 911, and now here is an example of large numbers of people, working together, pilots, engineers,chemists, all to do things like dump very toxic material on people over a long period of time….no one has ever come forward with this information although it sounds like there were a lot of people involveed in these operations.
And even if one of these pilots or engineers had come forward would anyone have listened?
The first thing the announcer says…"we would not have believed this story, if it weren't for the records that provide proof."
I think this is an important way that the unbelievable happens right under our noses.
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My son tells me the same thing when I question the Republicans involvement in 911. For example, He says if Thermite had been painted on the walls of the WTC the workers would have told someone, to which I replied, 'Why would they, as far as they knew it was just paint." He just can't believe our government would do anything to hurt the public. I wish he were right but there is so much evidence to the contrary still I hold hope in my heart that things are getting better. http://youtu.be/U_GEch9cyJg "A Gentle Awakening"
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many moons, moonshellblue: For what it's worth, I have chosen to avoid naming either political party as primary source of any of our dilemmas. Partly due to family people who're staunch Republican supporters, and other family members who are Dems and make 'anti-Republican party' statements! Both 'get accusations off their chests' and IMO use their 'tribal' loyalties to avoid necessary calling out of politicians within their chosen tribe. Then they both go back to business as usual.
So I argue – it's unexamined mindsets and paradigms held by individuals of any party that need to be challenged. I can't say I'm having a lot of success. I've got 'liberal' family who refuse to express even hints of skepticism re 9/11 'official' story. And no one I know of Anglo-European descent wants to examine America's almost constant history of warring! Not even when I point out it's 'human' not exclusively American! We may need a forum for psychological/sociological theories and speculations!
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(I actually do think – am a strong believer – that humanity won't come to its senses unless/until we better understand ourselves. I've held forth on this before so won't get into it. But 'unconscious' motivations are perfectly normal and understandable AND when brought to light without shame, blame and need to pretend not to see, we'll be better informed to express the equally normal more promising aspects of our nature!)
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Easy to hide neutron bombs. "America Nuked" by Jeff Prager explains it in great detail.
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The truth is that *many* people have been willing to talk / be a whistleblower–and nobuggy would believe them.
Most people cannot admit that they had been fooled, or that psychopaths might be in positions of authority. It's sooo much easier to call a truth-teller a crank or 'conspiracy theorist' rather than take a painful dose of truth.
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nobuggy: you're right to identify "cannot admit …fooled". Our culture has made it important to be savvy. It's uncool to be naive; it's uncool to be uncool! People don't want to loose illusions they rely on to assure themselves they have clarity and truth. They don't want to interrupt already taxing or more importantly already pleasant lives and routines. They don't want to risk being mocked by their social set or tribe. Fringe thinkers from time to time have proposed preposterous ideas. These have been mocked to the hilt. We've taught each other that mockery and shunning are weapons. It starts as kids when we're told teasing is "just in fun" and "we don't talk to that family, I'd rather you not play with those kids". There are *many* reasons people won't, don't, or emotionally cannot consider paradigm challenges. We've got a system that requires income; jobs can be at stake. The list goes on! Status quo and dominant paradigms are based on a myriad of unexamined "truths" – we assume these, were taught them, teach them to our kids. Within dominant culture are many subcultures, each with it's own 'package' of unexamined accepted paradigms. True of *all* societies! Sometimes, when I remember, I make small challenge statements then let them drop, hoping they are seeds sewn. Sometimes I remember to ask questions such as "Where did you learn that?" and don't try to follow through to a 'finished debate.' We humans have lots of maturing to do!
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There are countless, unpopulated areas in the country which could have been chosen instead. How can this event be viewed without any thought of the intention(s)? Its hard to see it as innocent of wanting to harm people.
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Don't forget, in these modern times – the atomic age, science is the new God. So in the name of Science, sacrifices need to be made so that others can live in peace.
That's what some would have you believe but the truth is what it is…just like Hitler had his hit list so do many other "folks".
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> in the name of science
no, science is an ideology built upon materialistic/economic social relationships. So, sacrifices need to be made so that capitalists' class exploit workers' class for economic/profit purposes. During a war, two opposite interests by two conflicting faction inside capitalists' class collide, and large masses of people perish in order to restart the jammed economic cycle. In a communistic society, there would not be opposite interests and science would serve all the mankind.
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Or perhaps it would be an excuse to kill people.
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your rhetoric is entertaining reading orsobubu. Your idea that science is ideological was a hoot! Real science is predicated on the impartial application of exploratory intellect. That it can be abused to serve special interests is not exclusive to any-one political ideology. Your simplistic denigration of science is an insult to any thinking person, who yearns for the honesty exploration of our universe and the human condition. Read the "Black Book of Communism". When you're done, try coming back with a straight face to tell of Communism's 'virtues'. Your spew indicates little respect for the reasoning of others and is an obvious attempt to link the suffering of others with your political objectives; classic opportunism. I'd be curious to know how you'd explain-away the massive environmental damage that was done under the Soviet Socialists, or for that matter, that which is now being undertaken by the Chinese…
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If you take away the last sentence, what Orsobubu says seems about right to me. Capitalists/communists/facists/democracists – there all a bunch failures.
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agreed eatliesndie. Though I'm not sure what you mean by 'democracists'?
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Democracy seems an equal failure. I can offer no alternatives….
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I can sympathize with your feelings, eatliesndie. From what I've seen so far, I can't offer any fool-proof alternative to what's gone before…
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oops – I meant "they're" not "there".
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* The focus here is supposed to be a want of accountability for the dispersal of hazardous substances into public places.
* Science is a method of being accountable: no more, no less. Too many people wrap themselves in the transparent flag of "science" –attempting to hide underlying unquestioned, unscientific assumptions/beliefs, and unexamined, temporarily convenient, loyalties to one's masters.
* The belief is in "growth" (in the broadest cultural sense) and it's widely shared. The masters are often those cancerous agents of growth: corporations –and the sociopaths who run them.
* Consciously or not, orsobubu spelled "communistic society" with a small "c". If you travel to China or the old USSR to study examples, I think you'll find state capitalism (aka: fascism –where we are headed).
Try instead the Essenes and early Christianity, many tribal original peoples, the Shakers, Amana, the Amish, or a number of modern era utopian ventures, both secular and spiritual:
> http://www.ic.org/
Craig
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well considered response Craig-123. note that I modified my interpretation of true scientific method as being impartial. As it came into its own, science was eventually co-opted by the same ideologues who've plagued every-other progressive endeavor. Admittedly, we were all seduced by its cornucopia of promises; nuclear power being the most obvious delusion. Yet, I feel it will be a return to sound science that delivers us from our present dead end…
Fascism is not where we are headed; we are there. Not unlike the mentality of those who had to accept the reality of their place, we too are in denial of our condition. We now exist in a globalized system of totalitarianism. There are only a few hold outs left.
While I'm familiar with those you've suggested as examples of alternative social organizations, I'm not entirely sure how they'd be functionally integrated into the global scene. That's not to say they couldn't be utilized for the development of a practical social order, but that there are currently too many competing interests at play. (Something alluded to in prior posts). This is one of the reasons they're going for the controlled implosion of the world's (current) economic system (of exchange). They need to force an unconditional surrender of past associations upon all of humanity. We must be willing to abandon the past, before they'll allow us any future…
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Japan was pushing for peace and actively seeking it via channels when we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Japan. Eisenhower stated it was not necessary to have used those awful devices to effect the end of the war. There is little new under the Sun, including the arrogance and hubris of those who little value their fellow human beings. Two questions come to mind-
1. Who authorized this test and for what purpose? If documentation exists then there is likely to be a trail of proposal and authorization.
2. What are they perpetrating now?
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good questions frankfan42. We'll never know the answer to the first, as it's likely wrapped-in national security paper.
There's much conjecture as to what they're doing now. A cursory review of the growing disparities between population growth and available resources hints to a major 'culling' of the herd. Suffice to say, we'll not know until it's too late to stop…
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I am unable to view Martino-Taylor's complete dissertation using Adobe 7.1.0. Is there some other way to view it? I do not want to upgrade to 10 because I have a valid reason. Thanks for your help. I will read this document of over 800 pages.
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Sorry, I forgot to say this appears to be the only .pdf file I cannot view.
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Hi NP
It's a large doc, 42 MB. 800+ pages with images. It took a few minutes to load for me. Maybe try right-click and save it to your hard drive.
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I will try that now. The message I first got from Adobe when I tried to view the file was that it had been sent as an email and a file may have been corrupted. If it still won't show it to me, I'll let you know.
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Questionable aerial spraying over the US populace is still taking place. Look up and monitor the sky …. Not just for a minute, a day or month but truly observe and take note. Don't wait for a delayed report to confirm what your eyes and gut can tell you today. We are still being poisoned from above.
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@ShineTheLight
+1000. Did you know that a deer won't look up? He/she will walk right past a tree stand and never look up. The deer believes that danger does not come from above. That's why so many are killed to be eaten.
It seems nobody will admit the spraying even though all they need do is to look up every day for a month as I have done. Do it in remote areas and your eyes will be opened. Even in remote areas there have been times when the sprayers flew five abreast. Those were not contrails and have nothing to do with contrails.
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Well, I tried that and it won't do it. I read Adobe's remarks carefully and they said it was sent as an email and not properly decoded….
Has anyone else on enenews been able to look at this file?
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Here's the abstract for now: http://gradworks.umi.com/35/15/3515886.html
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I am able to view with the (tiny)Free Foxit Reader. Worked both by saving or simply viewing.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/Secure_PDF_Reader/capabilities.php
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Thank you for the link. Previously I was sent a version of this dissertation which implies that if pages are missing or deleted, I will be told. So far I have only read the first chapter. If there is anything earthshaking, I'll let enenewsers know.
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I think that Ms. Taylor is a very brave woman and should be applauded for her courage….we all need to find courage!
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"The I-Team independently verified that the spraying of zinc cadmium sulfide did take place in St. Louis on thousands of unsuspecting citizens. What is unclear is whether the Army added a radioactive material to the compound as [sociologist Lisa] Martino-Taylor’s research implies"
I don't agree….I don't think it matters a damn bit if there were radioactive materials or just the cancer causing zinc cadmium sulfide…it bad enough without the radioactive materials…it's like they were bug (human spraying them) everyday….pesticides…cadmium is a key ingredient…
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What interesting timing. This article talks about possible radioactive test injuries to 50 and 60-something aged people. So say these people were in some way affected, the government would issue a couple of bucks and say sorry, maybe even allow you early disability. But if you should get sick from Fukushima radiation right now and try to file any sort of claim, guess what's going to happen? They'll say your immune issues are due to other issues and dismiss all claims.
I think everyone might want to pay close attention to this article and always remember that according to the military experts, the Mox fuel present in their 1950's tests (discontinued by the American government due to expense in the 1960's) is completely dissimilar to the Mox fuel used by any of the Japanese nuclear sites.
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Good point.
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I wonder if this information will ever make it to the national news in the US or other countries?
Also,I wonder if an independent group will try to search out the medical histories of people living in that building and receiing their daily dose of Pest-icide?
I'm sure the US is making photo copies of "No one was injured as a result of these test….itsy bitsy amounts of material sprayed from a great distance, would have dispersed before it could reach any one on the ground…in truth it was a test to determine if cadmium is truly a good PEST-a-side.
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@many moons
"I wonder if this information will ever make it to the national news in the US or other countries?"
LOL&ROF
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US Radium, that's twice in one day that I've heard that name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFgJS4uVKQA
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cadmium sulfide is an important ingredient in pesticides….
Perhaps the military was doing work for the agriculture industry…developing particle tables to know how much pesticide residue is too much…I always wondered how they got that information…perhaps spraying it on people helped their research a long.
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/viewtols.htm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Plpo0DwPY
Paper towel wipes off a pickup truck hood after a rain storm in St Louis, last October 17th. Is the testing still going on? Potrblog has been called all kinds of stuff over his simple tests.
I've done the same tests with the same pancake geiger tube using the 1 sq meter sunroof of my Smart car in Charleston, SC., after it rains, here. 1700 CPM, a much lower level, is my biggest result. Sometimes it's only 150 CPM. What's really queer about it is the SAME paper towel carefully folded so the wiping radioactive surface measures NOTHING 7 hours later after the water dries on it. Can't be CS or something from Fukushima disappearing after 7 hours on the towel. Noone has, so far, a plausible answer to my little wipeoff findings. Any ideas?
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* I suspect that Mr. Potr is measuring radon/daughters, perhaps due to the bad history of that area –per:
> http://www.moenviron.org/index.php/program-areas/safe-energy-program/westlake
–and maybe some other isotopes blowing around as well.
* When reading samples, block the alpha with a piece of paper and do 10 minute timed counts to get the averaged CPM.
* After subtracting the background count (ie: without a sample) from each, compare the first average of your sample to one started 40 minutes later (without having changed the geometry of your sample and Geiger counter). If it decays to about half (maybe to 40% or 45%), you're probably reading radon daughters (lead-214 and bismuth-214).
** This is not to dismiss your findings. Radon is serious stuff: the leading cause of lung cancer for non-smokers in the U.S.
* I catch a lot of radon/daughters (clinging to dust particles and pollen) when I pull 10 cubic meters of air through a small 3M "N95" filter –and have to wait a day or two for it to die down, before testing again to see if any residual gross (alpha, beta, gamma) radiation remains.
> http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/map.htm#methods
Craig
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After reading just the first chapter of this dissertation, I can see that this happened in more places than just St. Louis, Mo. I'm wondering why only Missouri Senators are interested in getting answers. This is a very brave woman indeed. My hat is off to you.
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wow Fred thAT IS INTERESTING…maybe short half life radiation is being….sprayed, or launched ..the testing started in the 50's can't image why thet would stop….so many things to test!
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