TV: Radioactive waste containers may be “smashed and opened” after roof collapse at leaking U.S. nuclear site — Official: We believe there’s been a breach… “It’s a very serious thing” — ‘Seismic event’ mentioned — High levels of alpha and beta radiation detected (VIDEO)

Published: February 21st, 2014 at 11:49 am ET


Carlsbad Current Argus, Feb. 20, 2014 (emphasis added): […] the radiation leak occurred on the evening of Feb. 14, according to new information made public at a news conference Thursday afternoon. […] Joe Franco, manager of the DOE Carlsbad Field Office, said an underground air monitor detected high levels of alpha and beta radiation activity consistent the waste buried at WIPP. “We are assuming and believe that it is from one of our waste (sources) that we have underground […]” he added. […] It could be up to three or four weeks before workers can go underground to survey the possible source […]

Reuters, Feb. 20, 2014: Airborne radioisotopes can be harmful if inhaled or swallowed. […] “Even though it’s well below levels established by the EPA to ensure protection of public health, it’s a very serious thing,” [Franco] said at a news conference Thursday afternoon. “WIPP is not intended to be in this kind of condition.” […] “Radiation is simply not supposed to be released outside this facility. It’s not supposed to be released inside the underground. Any type of release is unacceptable and disconcerting,” [Secretary of New Mexico Environment Department Ryan Flynn] said. […] Franco said indications suggest a drum or drums containing radioactive waste may have breached for reasons that are not yet known.

AP, Feb. 20, 2014: […] could be weeks before workers can safely access the underground dump to determine what happened. […] It was the second incident in just a matter of weeks. Earlier this month, a truck hauling salt below ground caught fire […] but Franco said it was unlikely the events were related. He also said there was no evidence of a seismic event at the site.

KRQE, Feb. 21, 2014: Federal and state agencies are scrambling to deal with the discovery of airborne radiation […] one of the working theories right now is that a big slab of the roof broke free, hit the stack, knocked some drums off and smashed and opened one or more of them. […] that is not supposed to happen in areas being actively worked by crews. It appears the leak occurred in an active work area […]

Watch the KRQE broadcast here

Published: February 21st, 2014 at 11:49 am ET


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    Our own 'little Fukushima'.

    And not a word about sealing any of the air ducts. Which means, until they do, all the transuranic radioactive crap down there is exiting to atmosphere. For all we know, they left the doors wide open, too.

    On the other hand, if they do seal the exits, will gases build up and blow the whole place open, and end up with a giant radioactive open pit possibly miles wide?

    • dosdos dosdos

      I read that all exit ducts are being filtered. It was unfiltered for the first few minutes, which accounts for the detected atmospheric release. But as soon as the alarm sounded, the filters were automatically set in place.

      The filters prevent sufficient air exchange for normal operation, but under emergency conditions they automatically kick in, concurrent with evacuation.

      I'm sure they will filter out the air below before sending inspectors in. If it's a continuous leak, such as barrel spills, it won't help much, as anything filtered out will no doubt be replaced.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        The only info on filters kicking in automatically, dosdos, is from Russell Hardy, the director for the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center:

        "The levels detected during this time period are higher than the normal background levels of radioactivity from transuranic elements commonly found at this sampling station, thus their presence during this specific time frame appears to indicate a small release of radioactive particles from the WIPP underground exhaust shaft in the brief moments following when the radiation event occurred and when the WIPP ventilation system shifted to the filtration mode."

        From the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center website:

        "The facility can perform a wide range of environmental and radiochemistry work, characterization, monitoring, and feasibility studies in support of performance assessment, radiological and environmental training and education, subsurface flow and transport experiments, nuclear energy issues, and issues involving Homeland Security particularly those involving radiation dispersal devices (RDDs or dirty bombs). CEMRC has partnered with Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), Sandia National Laboratory (SNL), and Nuclear waste Partnership, LLC (NWP)…"

        "The CEMRC facility and staff provide support to WIPP, LANL, SNL and WTS…"

        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          And this:

          "According to a 2011 annual report provided by CEMRC, in response to the Fukushima incident, CEMRC accelerated and increased sampling frequency and analysis of the air in and around the WIPP site to confirm that there were no harmful levels of radiation reaching the U.S. from Japan, and to better inform the public about any level of radiation detected."

          They have a significant financial interest in not telling anyone the truth.

          And further from the original article:

          "…the americium and plutonium isotopes are so heavy, that they won't travel far from the original source. Only a large wind gust or human-caused incident could cause a spread of the radiation from where it currently lies, according to Hardy."

          So only a strong wind would cause a problem.

          "Next 6 Hours:

          Partly cloudy with temperatures falling into the low 50s. Winds W at 15 to 20 mph."

          "Gusts to 24 mph."

          Solid BS. Everyone in that area better pray those access vents are blocked.

          • vital1 vital1

            MAX ALERT! DOE is Funding FREE Whole Body NUKE Scans For People Living Within 100 Miles of the Airborne Plutonium Disaster

            "CEMRC provides a free lung and whole body counting service to adult citizens living within a 100-mile radius of the WIPP facility. Concerned citizens can be measured to see what radiation may exist in their lungs and whole body. This service is available by scheduling an appointment with the CEMRC Internal Dosimetry Lab at 575-234-5530"


            • SadieDog

              "For WIPP and other nuclear site employees, plutonium is a common – but not dangerous – peak to see, which happens at around 17 kilo electron volts."

              • combomelt combomelt

                Yucca Mountain – excavated, and made ready for high level reactor waste. Location deemed unstable for 10,000 year storage(longer than recorded human history). – closed before receiving waste i believe, and thats a win.

                out of nowhere,
                all the high level waste everyone wanted to truck to Nevada has been rerouted to New Mexico with nary a word of debate or explanation. Deliveries just started to occur, and before they knew it, the tunnels(panel storage rooms) were packed ceiling to floor, and wall to wall with the worst shyt this side of fukunobyl.
                Lying liars simply started depositing high level waste in to a salt mine 500ft from brine water nearly a halfmile underground.
                Debate? debate about what? lets just store all this crap over/under here fellas, instead of trying to fight harry reid and the public about Yucca Mountain, just reroute all those casks to NM, and everybody just STHU already.

                death dealing liars of the 1st order.
                killers of children
                destroyers of our world
                electricity DID NOT come cheaply
                death did not take a holiday
                morelike death won the lootery(lottery)lol at that misspelling.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            This is the weirdest wind pattern I've seen:


            The jet stream is different:

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Hi VanneV, I LOL think the wind patterns ALWAYS look strange. Maybe it makes more sense when one has observed the patterns for a long time?

              Have you seen the iink for the global wind patterns? It's really something to see! I'm still trying to figure out how all of this works.

              Here's a link:


              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Looks like the plutonium from Carlsbad is headed straight for Denver. We are supposed to get snow tonight and tomorrow. I've never looked at the wind patterns before, but they call it an upslope when we get moisture.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                I know with HAARP they create a vacuum over the Rocky Mts. with a series of arrays along the Front Range (Eastern slope) and bring up moisrure from the Gulf. There is so much drought in California and the southwest. And then if we get radioactive the fallout here, there is less to fall in the East.

                Of course, it is very dry here, and we have to get rain or snow sometime.

                My own opinion is that global warming, caused by nuclear power plants, is much more severe than we know and is being mitigated by HAARP. But it doesn't help when there is so much radioactive contamination coming from Fukushima and WIPP, and probably from other places around the globe that is being covered up.

                The people that promote nuclear energy really have something missing in their psyche, probably caused by all the radioactive contamination created over the last70 years.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Anne, you're right. The SFSU animated loop is really strange looking today.

      • Archie

        Maybe they can hastily construct some storage tanks above ground to hold the used filters, patching any leaks with duct tape and disposable diapers. Just an idea.

    • Radioactive Plutonium Plume Coming Out of New Mexico's WIPP – Geological Nuclear Radioactive Waste Isolation Pilot Plant; via @AGreenRoad

  • bf9 bf9

    I think the best comment I can make on this is nothing but music (idea borrowed from a previous post of mine)…

  • Joe Ebslap Joe Ebslap

    Thought it was a truck fire?

  • Ontological Ontological

    I was afraid of this…Yikes!
    Due to the ENOUMOUS cost of fixing this fuck up we will not do anything. Thanks, now move along move along this is not the Plutonium plume you are looking for.

    • Ontological Ontological

      err that was ENOURMUS, HUGE, UNGODLY AMOUNTS, we ummmmm don't seem to have, even tho they can produce billions for bullshit.

    • califnative califnative (NY)

      Ontological – looks like they'll continue to build more nukes before fixing this one, I just read this yesterday…
      DOE to approve $6.5 billion for new nuclear plants

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Ya, this will be a while in the unfu@k mode.

      It is a salt mine, no re-enforcement.

      Even hardrock mines today bolt/rebar-mesh the roof for safety

      Any moisture will be worse, salt is soft, just sweats and absorbs

      They must have ventilation – what goes in must come out.

      I think Shaker posted it is 500ft from brine water

      Google Earth will blow your mind, surrounded by oil wells

      A good coworker friend managed co2 distribution in OK/TX for fracking in this area for years.

      Exponential effect, no one seems to be able to put 2+2+2+2+2+2
      together to come up with 'oh fuck, that's a bad idea'

      Man is running out of options that allow for safe, stupid behavior

      • DOE report in 2009 actually said it was a bad idea and this site was not planned to be used.

        Lots changed since then, including going from low level waste, to high level LIQUID waste, which was never in the original permit or environmental report.

        They just changed it all on the fly, with nothing but baling wire and duct tape holding it all together.

      • GQR2

        i saw shaker say that too, 500 ft from Brine water
        could not believe my eyes.
        in fact it still makes me blink.
        The situation down there is waaaay more shall
        i say critical,then these a**clowns are even getting close to on the tv.

        and it between Bayou Corne and the West Coast. gaaahhhh!
        RUN! but to where?
        As code atomic or some wonderful soul here said. They want us to absorb in place. Duck and Cover.

        • JimLynch JimLynch

          There are at least 3 salt caverns filled with radioactive waste within 5 miles of Bayou Corne a year ago when the site "burped" a radiation source, traces were measured through groundwater as far away as Tyler Texas. Unfortunately, i can find no historical data set on the monitors, though im sure they are kept somewhere. Goggle Louan salt dome to see the future extent of what is happening to the salt layer under the gulf–its washing away under the southern states into the gulf NOW WIPP—-im looking for underground strata formations to determine the extent of the WIPP site salt dome bet it carries all the way into west Texas. How about they monitor the millions of bats that fly out of Carlsbad for radioactivity? Glad i got to see the caverns before their imminent destruction can we please pledge to quit electing psychopaths and shot them on site when observed? PLEASE??????

      • gottagetoffthegrid

        liquid waste in a salt mine. what could ever go wrong?

        500ft from water? can you say Bayou Corne syndrome?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        AirSepTech, agreed. Why can't they put 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2 together? DOH! I'm starting to get upset now because I have lot of family members in the path of the plumes.

        This makes me GRRRRRR ticked off. Why can't these people get their poop in a pile? It's like they pick the worst possible sites, the worst possible designs, stay stoned out of their minds during the whole process, then meet and present the whole FUBAR mess on paper, and say, "Yeah, let's build THAT!"

    • Ontological Ontological

      Ok I have a note to add here, there is a crap load of fracking going on all around this area Carlesbad in near the center of the south east New Mexico fracking zone. Betcha all this nearby drilling disturbance helped that salt mine storage chamber roof collapse.

  • magikald magikald

    So what does this mean? Does this mean radioactive material is still spewing out from some container? Do we have a another Fuku type situation that nothing can be done about? Particles just flowing non stop 24 hours a day?

  • FallOut FallOut

    So Plutonium is being belched out onto the public and not a word about it.

    The big three news agencies should cover this crisis upon the children down wind but the corrupted shills will talk about the olympics or bieber.

    • FallOut FallOut

      They tell you the slab fell because they can't tell you criticality / illegal parts storage go BOOM !

      • Questionit

        I think you are likely correct. From what I read rules were changed to allow additional types of materials to be sent there but more importantly the verification process of what was to be stored was changed so they could slip in highly contaminated stuff.

        They may have shipped in some highly contaminated stuff unnoticed and some of it blew up the containers it was in.

        If a slab fell, it must have been a large explosion that made it do so.

    • combomelt combomelt

      From my understanding, GE sold off its entire stake in NBCUniversal to Comcast back in march 2013.
      However, does that mean that GE now has zero influence on global media broadcasts thru its subsidiaries like it used to?
      "Funny is, as funny does", and "everybody's funny, now you funny too." relates to taking a look on the GE website at the bottom where we find GE's worldwide partner in crime is, guess who?, yes, the OLYMPICS!!! in all its glory.
      Man is that a filthy shyte stained mattress GE just woke up in, isn't it?

  • lam335 lam335

    "… a big slab of the roof broke free, hit the stack, knocked some drums off and smashed and opened one or more of them."

    This is the secure storage place that is supposed to last 10,000 years? And a piece of the roof just fell off??

  • GQR2

    The tone and content of that report was beyond ridiculous and contradictory but they don't seem to edit for that,in fact they seem to like it!

    Not a health hazard? Really then why all the fuss at all.

    The reporter sounded like he was trying to tell a story to children.
    It really pisses me off.
    Its a Carlsbad, bad, FUKuppy. Happened fast too, WIPP hasn't been storing all this Nuclear Waste long,under 5 yrs.

    they'll go down in a few weeks?

    alrighty then.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    It could be three or four weeks before workers can get in to survey the accident.
    Pu244 has a half-life of 80 million years, while Pu241 has a half-life of 14 years.
    So, clearly, they will not be waiting to send workers down until the radiation has lessened.
    If their suits can't protect them from the radiation right now, waiting 2-3 weeks isn't going to make much of a difference, now, is it?
    What, do you suppose, are they going to do, in order to make the caverns safe for workers to enter once again?
    Could they be planning to vent it up a stack at night?
    Could they be planning to turn on the exhaust fans?
    Yea! More Plutonium for the rest of us!
    You betcha! 😉

    • FallOut FallOut

      And, and ….. I would think this infecting everything. How will they clean this off everything.

      They just don't have it " in um' " yet to inform the public the billion dollar cave is now a wasteland, a multi-billion dollar hanford, just a mile down.

    • ottawa_dave

      Right, vent it all to us then it's safe in the hole for them… I did not think of that. Dilution is always the solution.

      I've been thinking criticality. "Hey guys Bob drove his new extended-cab Durango down here… let's take a look. Change of plans, let's run for our lives instead."

    • "COULD BE" famous last words..

      If one or more high level nuclear waste drums broke open, what would make the radiation 'disappear' in a few weeks?

      Even if something was burning, or melting down, it would still not just go away..

      Everything down there is being contaminated now, as we sit here. The longer it continues, the worse it gets.

      Depending on what happened down there, and what is being released, the radiation levels could just increase and keep on increasing down below, because it cannot really go anywhere and be 'diluted' like they are doing with Fukushima..

      If two or more drums broke open and mixed contents that are now reacting, God only knows what will happen.. It could eat holes or burn through more drums, making it worse and worse, and finally maybe even reach criticality and then explode.

      They started with shirts and rags, but ended up putting high level liquid wastes down there.. Who knows what broke open or leaked out, or burned through?

      At Hanford a CEMENT shipping container holding unknown high level nuclear waste products above ground leaked alpha particle liquid (plutonium) out of it onto the ground and DOE did nothing. The container is still just sitting there at last report.

      Good luck with getting them to fix a 'leak' underground, if they cannot even handle a teensy one above ground and easy to get to.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      PUN, wondering the same thing about what they think is supposed to change & allow inspectors or workers to enter the site in three weeks. Hmmn.

  • many moons

    They will get the robots down there to sweep everything back into the containers and that will be that. The robots are great low cost clean up and they don't get cancer.

    I wonder about the sequestered workers who are no doubt being kept from harm in the room beside the one that exploded and caved in….I can't imagine how they must feel…wonder what lies they have been fed.

  • weeman

    Russell Hardy, director of CEMRC, emphasized that the radiation levels found a half mile northwest of WIPP are no more dangerous than radiation the public has already been exposed to.

    "There's plutonium and americium in our environment from prior detonations of nuclear weapons and from some satellites that have fallen out of orbit and lost their payload, so there's naturally occurring americium and plutonium in the environment that falls out and lands in the soil," Hardy said.

    Thursday's high winds weren't a cause for worry about the spread of the radioactive particles, Hardy said, because plutonium has a relatively heavy isotope, making it unlikely to spread far.
    From first article.

    Hardy we're is Oli, your sidekick from laurl and hardy, this man is now deemed a enemy of the state.
    What a fool, a puppet, who wrote that speech you recited, do you think before you speak.
    So let us continue to no ends to add these isotopes to our environment till saturation, coming soon.
    We're is the logic, lost in a power vacuum.

  • Shaker1

    If this is true, I'd like to corner (again) some I know who threw up their hands and just said 'Well, we have to put it somewhere' as excuse for their apathy to this site. And, again, the inherent frailties of geological salt deposits are known, especially here where there is quite a bit of history with people being in direct contact with the formation, not like some sinkholes cause by salt-dome collapse in which no once actually entered the dome. And, again, here is a link that mentions some at the site itself and its problems, water intrusion and leakage, wall and ceiling cracks, etc.

    I would think that there have been many more incidents of faulty structure, either natural or man-made, at this site.

    "Hey, George, what's in that barrel?"

    "I dunno. Paperwork just says 1 barrel, unspecified material."

    "You gonna open it?"

    "Hell no! Are you? Where should I put it?"

    "Let's see…Maybe over there where the wall is crumbling and the ceiling's cracked. Maybe it'll bury it and save us the trouble of dealing with it."

    "OK. Fine by me."

    "Hey, Ed, whatcha doing for lunch?…"

  • ottawa_dave

    Some one explain to me:

    1. Why it is not "safe" to go down there now and fix the problem?
    2. Why will it be "safe" in "three to four weeks?"

    What magic is going to happen in 4 weeks? I am only a nuclear amateur, but 4 weeks means isotopes with very short half-lives – fission products or neutron-activated isotopes.

    There has been a criticality in this hole.

  • Sol Man

    We hope that it doesn't become like an ancient coal-seam fire.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    "..that is not supposed to happen in areas being actively worked by crews…."

    Is it supposed happen everywhere else?

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    “Even though it’s well below levels established by the EPA to ensure protection of public health,…"

    So 96,000 times background level is safe now?

  • magikald magikald

    So nothing was learned from Fukushima incident when it came to handling criticalities, huh?

  • ottawa_dave

    No, nothing. The 21st century: me have phd me smarter than u. me get money from gubment.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    "that is not supposed to happen in areas being actively worked by crews"

    So crews were actively working when big chunks of rock salt caved in, squashing flat drums filled with the most toxic poisons? Kind of reminds me of the SL-1 accident that left a man, Legg (the shift supervisor) impaled and pinned to the ceiling. Valuable lessons learned for that 10 million year fail safe design! Sure, some planets may need to be sacrificed if we are ever going to reach that solar and wind free nuclear powered wall street funded utopia. A utopia where men are men, women are women, and the other 99% are well controlled mutants doing our bidding.

    • ottawa_dave

      Well said codeshutdown

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha +1 CS

      Have not heard SL-1 mentioned here yet.
      Got in a big 4 way discussion/argument with nukes. They claim no direct dead on nuke power and I point out SL-1, where they all were trained.

      He did not die from radiation, but from mechanical failure was the take from them, happens all the time.

      Remember these are the asshats we deal with. "No one dies from radiation, just complications from thereof. Millions have died from the same things, with no exposure at all. Prove it."

      No words describe this bunch of fools.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Denial is strong when they have a large mortgage. Your kids don't mean s&%t to them. Most of the time their kids don't mean s&$t to them, either.

      • vital1 vital1

        I suggest you all use this document as one of your resources to prove to those who say "No one has died from the Fukushima Nuclear disaster", they are totally wrong.

        This occurred in the first few days of the disaster. In this correspondence between the NRC and the Japanese, the Japanese admitted to 5 people having received lethal radiation doses.


        We have to do more than just comment in these forums. The more people we educate the sooner change will happen.

        Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
        quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf or create your own, hand it out, mailbox it, Facebook it, Twitter it, or email it. Think outside the box, put it on public notice boards, hand it out to people, or put it into letter boxes when you go for a walk.

        Chemfood has created this resource, and all you need is a printer, scissors, some thumb tacks and … walla! We all are info dispersers as well! Put them on notice boards everywhere in the community. Get your local church or community organisation to help.

        • vital1 vital1

          TEPCO Workers deaths are not reported


          "She also said that there were 100,000shifts shared between the work force that have worked at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant so far, also, 4% of 100,000 (4300) workers have reportedly died."

          "Apart from Tepco workers, 64 members of the Self Defence Force and about 300 policemen have also died. They said that those policemen who work at the security check points of the no go zones in Fukushima prefecture are not wearing any protection, therefore, they have been exposed to huge amounts of ionizing radiation."

          • combomelt combomelt


            STOP LYING


      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Sodium reactor at Idaho Flats Laboratory in Idaho.

    • not just impaled. carbon rod went up through his groin and out his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling.

      we lighten that around my house by associating it with the cartoon sound of an arrow hitting target: doing-oing-oing-oing.

      if that helps.

  • razzz razzz

    Well, at least they don't have far to go to store the radioactive filters.

    Yeah, I was think'in too that TEPCO could loan them some robots but that hasn't been working out for them to well either or maybe TEPCO can give them some handi pointers about dealing PU and salts.

    I don't see Homeland Security in any big rush to setup shop anywhere near the site.

    With neutrons and protons flying around in the storage cavern, you at least get radioactive salt to deal with. I'm sure there is a fire suppression system, yeah right… "…The element normally exhibits six allotropes and four oxidation states. It reacts with carbon, halogens, nitrogen, silicon and hydrogen. When exposed to moist air, it forms oxides and hydrides that expand the sample up to 70% in volume, which in turn flake off as a powder that can spontaneously ignite…"

    "..Plutonium is considered a man-made element, although scientists have found trace amounts of naturally occurring plutonium produced under highly unusual geologic circumstances…EPA limits the amount of radiation in community water systems by establishing maximum contaminant levels. Maximum Contaminant Levels limit the amount of activity from alpha emitters, like plutonium, to 15 picocuries per liter…Under the Clean Air Act, EPA limits the dose to humans from radionuclides to 10 millirem from emissions to air…"

    From none to…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      "forms oxides and hydrides that expand the sample up to 70% in volume, which in turn flake off as a powder that can spontaneously ignite"

      Hmmm, makes me wonder, since robots are not viable, if steam powered cyborgs from the cadavers couldnt be devised. Radioactive salt and moisture = steam powered workforce employment extentions!

      well, food for thought.

  • Nick

    Hey Dave, did you shore up the roof before we excavated it?

    Dave: Oops.

    A roof collapse at a facility that is supposed to last for eons is totally unacceptable.

    All nuclear activities must cease planetwide from this point on.

    To continue is MADness.

    But then again, we are already MADdenly close to game over anyway.

    What's a few specks o plutonium gonna hurt?

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    When radiation is coming your way.

  • jec jec

    Just 'low level plutonium' waste. Would HATE to see what is called 'high' level nuclear waste. Beats me how clothing or tools like a shovel could produce the kind of reaction seen in the WIPP event. Both DOE and EPA should be firing folks and contractors..with a few of them going to JAIL! Someone put something illegal in the salt dome. Any geologists out there know where the saltdome edges are? Someone should take a good long look and make sure the human moles at the WIPP site did not tunnel into water or thru the cavern walls…Just saying..

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Surface wind is north-northeast Hobbs/Lubbuck/OKC/KC/Chicago the breadbasket. Wind has covered a 120deg path in 2 days

    I sadly wonder how much leaks, how much is to much when any is bad

    And in 2 weeks a small fire to a possible collapse?

    Sounds kind of–you fill in the blanks

  • rogerthat

    The radiation game:
    They monitor for radiation, but when they find it the information is not released to the public in time for people to take precautions or to decamp.Release of information is delayed until isotopes which decay quickly have done so, to reduce the total reported count. The counts for only one radioactive element are released. Whatever measure is reported, the lowest of several is chosen. If necessary the figures are further adjusted downwards through the use of ''faulty' instruments or ones which have a low ceiling. If further adjustment is needed, it can be done through faulty calculations. Monitors which are recording high figures are switched off until radiation counts fall. No-one knows who is in charge, so official spokesmen are non-existent or hard to find.
    This is just the odd thought or two, many here can do a better job than I.

    • mairs mairs

      It's like Scientific American saying that everything in the Fukushima tanks are filtered out except tritium, in their article discussing whether we need to be concerned about the ubiquitous discharge of tritium from nuclear power plants. There is so much disinformation out there. In this case is it deliberate, or is it pure laziness about researching anything beyond the original press releases about TEPCO acquiring filtering equipment long ago? Which is it?

  • "Federal and state agencies are scrambling, that is not supposed to happen. Immediate coverup to commence as to protect our investment in the eugenics programs."

  • rogerthat

    It would be nice to know what exactly is down there, and how much, to the nearest tetra-quadra-hyper-kazillion becquerels or whatever. there was a reuters report of a few days ago saying stuff from hanford was to be moved to carlsbad. if carlsbad takes 850 shipments (??) a year from 12 nuclear weapons sites around the country, what's in them barrels? I can't believe those 12 sites aren't dying to be rid of their mountains of high-level waste. Also i presume this is pretty well all plutonium, and that transuranic is just one of those obfuscations adopted because no-one likes to say p-p-p-p-plutonium? And it seems odd to talk about plutonium and ''low-level'' waste in the same sentence. This is like having a 44-gallon drum of black mambas. If the drum is full, it's high-level waste, but if there are only 37 or fewer black mambas in the drum it's low-level waste. But if only one black mamba bites you, you still die in 15 minutes. You can't ''dilute'' black mambas, just like you cant ''dilute'' plutonium. A single particle can kill you

  • jec jec

    The "contractor' for management and operations is Nuclear Waste Partnership.

    The contract info (non linked PDF so no details..even the modifications!)
    is at DOE. After much checking around the DOE site, the FOIA information is full of bad links, and information only to 2011. Does that date seem the date of Fukushima? I can not believe NO ONE has asked for more information! Bad Bad public information Department of Energy! If they can not keep the website updated, they better figure out other methods, but better than Obamacare assistance.

    Partnership with NWP is guess WHO? AREVA! Heard that name with Fukushima.

  • mairs mairs

    I wonder if hydraulic robots would work, trailing fluid lines behind them. No circuits to fry.

    • Shaker1

      mairs, I'd thought the same concerning robots and the work at Fukushima. I've seen some very complicated air and hydraulic logic and circuits, and they've been around for years. Also, cylinders can be quite light and yet be very powerful, as can air and hydraulic motors. They may not be so precisely discerning as steppor motors. The real problem that I see with such arrangement is not the mechanics but the need for electronic sight. Neither air nor hydraulic methods of that exist that I've seen, so there must need be an electronic component. In this case, I would hope is nothing quite as over-the-top as Fukushima with its stew of alpha, beta, and gamma in large quantities for problems with electronic components. Being a machinist, it'd be fun to work on such an item…

  • Jebus Jebus

    I hear a piano, being played. Mind numbing elevator music.

    A dull droning corporate voice, unintelligible noise.

    Exposing you. Conditioning you. Subtly minimizing.

    Naturalizing, homogenizing, decriminalizing.

    Molding you. Shaping you. Convincing you.

    We don't know what the hell is going on, but

    It's ok, nothing here. Look over here. See, it's ok…

  • mairs mairs

    What I don't understand is them saying that plutonium is heavy so it won't travel very far on the surface, not taking into account that it traveled to the surface from underground and was released into the air.

    • GQR2

      it boggles the mind mairs apparently they think they can say anything at all and most people won't know better. Its a gamble and if they keep doubling down maybe the truth will burst through in an unexpected way.
      Maybe it won't its preposterous to suggest these atomic particles are too heavy to travel. Takes science and makes a mockery out of it,all the stupid things they do now about this poison they invented,now the dangers of and yet keep foisting on the entire planet.

    • chevvvy chev

      he was only referring to his share of the plutonium, not ours,

  • JimLynch JimLynch

    PLEASE go here to observe new photos of HOW RADIOACTIVE WASTE IS STORED UNDERGROUND—directly pertains to WIPP

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Interesting: NETC site is showing nothing unusual in this area of New Mexico. Whom to believe? I'm so cynical now, that I say: don't trust anyone or anything! And that is a truly sad place to live!

  • Sickputer

    "People work in the underground storage facility. They need large quantities of fresh air to survive. The ventilation system provided in the WIPP moves a lot of air in and out of the underground cavern – 425,000 standard cubic feet per minute (SCFM) to be exact. Though the exhaust air can be directed through HEPA filers whenever there is any indication that it is contaminated, it is not routinely filtered because the filters would be routinely less than 100% capable and would require frequent maintenance or replacement with no added value."

    Credit to Rod Adams at Atomic Insights:

    SP: You can bet the farm that they will be fully venting those salt cavern "panel" rooms and clearing it out to protect workers. The downwinders will get a sampling like we always have.

    Even Hanford Site built concrete vaults to secure high level waste. Several days ago I posted a picture of one they dug up recently as a decommission project.

    With fracking going on nearby I have to wonder if a man-made earthquake might have compromised the panel rooms. They may need to rethink the no-concrete room strategy. The NM state officials would be gung ho also to add a few thousand more jobs to boost their economy.

    Offtopic…Legal marijuana in NM by 2016 might be a strong indication of growing state rights. New Mexico is one of twenty states that have removed criminal penalties for the medical use of marijuana.

  • vital1 vital1

    Analysis: WIPP Is No Safe Haven For Nuclear Materials – 21st January 2011


    "In essence, if water manages to penetrate whatever protection the materials are being afforded, then radioactive isotopes can be carried away to be deposited in one of the many aquifers that serve the drinking and agricultural water needs of New Mexico. As for the protection around the materials themselves, that consists of ordinary steel drums, suitable for storage in non-oxidising environments, but not suitable for any environment that would result in corrosion. As a paper written for the Sandia Laboratories – a government owned facility – states:"

    "According to a study of comprehensive well records for nine townships around the WIPP site (Broadhead et al. 1995), 532 wells had been drilled in search of oil and gas by the end of 1993. Few wells had been drilled in the area prior to 1960. Between 1960 and 1989, drilling activity increased but was sporadic and never exceeded 20 wells per year. Since 1990, however, drilling has increased markedly, with annual totals increasing to a maximum of 140 wells in 1993. This increase has been partially attributable to the opening of previously restricted areas of the Potash Area to drilling. Most of these wells were drilled into the Brushy Canyon Formation of the Delaware Mountain Group."

    • vital1 vital1

      "Three commercial wells have been drilled for oil and gas within the boundaries of the WIPP Land Withdrawal Area. Two vertical wells were drilled within the area during the 1970s; neither one became a producing well. A third well was drilled in 1982 from a location outside of the WIPP Land Withdrawal Area. The well was drilled at an angle underneath the area to intercept gas in the Atoka Formation and is currently commercially productive."

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        That is some really dated info on wells.

        There has been an oil EXPLOSION of wells/fracking around there

        Get on Google Earth

        Thousands and Thousands of wells


  • dave14139

    What are they thinking storing alpha emitters (plutonium?) in barrels? Come on man. Who really knows what they are doing underground in NM.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Speaking of ceilings..
    See the slideshow.
    Look at 9 of 9.. and the other photos to check the ceilings.
    2 of 9..a picture of crumbling salt..

    Nuclear Waste Solution Seen in Desert Salt Beds
    Feb 9 2013.

  • Max Sievert Max Sievert

    here`s the next leak
    HAZMAT in USA on Saturday, 22 February, 2014 at 18:10 (06:10 PM) UTC.
    Federal and state health officials are investigating leaking trailers loaded with thousands of pounds of potentially radioactive filter socks and debris parked on rural property southwest of Watford City. A special agent with the Environmental Protection Agency criminal investigations unit is assigned to the case and a radiation control team from the state Health Department was on scene Friday. Brad Torgerson, with the state Health Department's waste management division, said the team determined that radiation levels "do not appear to present any public health hazards." He said the company, RP Services, of Riverton, Wyo., was told to put the waste in proper containers and submit a plan for cleanup. A formal enforcement action is possible, Torgerson said. EPA special agent Dan O'Malley contacted state health officials about the waste; when contacted by the Tribune, O'Malley said he could not confirm his agency's investigation. The RP Services trailers are parked on property owned by Russ and Mary Williams, whose separate company was involved in an illegal filter sock disposal that led to a $27,000 fine at the McKenzie County landfill operation last summer.

    • Max Sievert Max Sievert

      but don`t panic,the radiation levels "do not appear to present any public health hazards."

      • Max Sievert Max Sievert

        that`s also a good one

        " The Health Department is awaiting results of a study on radioactive oil field and other waste before deciding whether to raise its allowable limit of radiation and how disposal sites would be constructed. "

      • GQR2

        They never do.
        These people are delusional. A fixed false belief self reinforcing system, radiation will not hurt or harm ?
        It does,it can,it is and it always will because that is the nature of this invisible,tasteless,odorless,forever deadly poison.
        This end game is changing fast. Each day we will hear of serious leaks. Melt downs, fires. all of these events are scrambling the DNA of all life forms. They can't control it, they never could, should have never brought to common use. Defense use or any use. Its sick.

        lies of Tyranny. A totalitarian Oligarchy that is taking out the entire planet.
        That is not an exaggeration.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    More visuals..
    Search: Nuclear New Mexico

    See what they have done to the "Land of Enchantment"

    There is a town north of Carlsbad..called ..Cloudcroft..because the clouds settle in this little mountain valley…
    Gentle like a dream.
    Just north of a pit of death..

    PS.. Anyone interested in the local geology (Carlsbad Caverns) will tell you this is not a place of permanence ..cave formation..duh.

    I despise the nuke industry..

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Carlsbad Department of Development Supports Thermal Testing at WIPP
    Sept 14 2012

    "In July, the CDOD passed Resolution 2013-01: "Support for the Thermal Studies at WIPP." The resolution, signed by CDOD President Don George, says the economic development body voted to "acknowledge our nation's need for additional scientific and social confirmation of the safe disposal of thermally hot DHLW (Defense High Level Waste) in salt, and do hereby support the use of WIPP for field tests associated with this confirmation process, and do hereby request that the DOE EM provide FY 13 and out-year funding for said tests to be managed by DOE EM Carlsbad Field Office."

    Testing gone badly?

  • lam335 lam335

    One thing that occurs to me when I think about this free scan offer …

    They're saying there's no cause for concern because the amount released was so small …

    Yet when the Fukushima reactors were exploding and the fuel pools were burning, they only told Amercians to evacuate out to fifty miles …

    But here they're offering to test people who were within one hundred miles of the incident …


  • Oceania - foreknowledge of pain Oceania - foreknowledge of pain

    here is what happened per the TV – – – TV: Radioactive waste containers may be “smashed and opened” after roof collapse at leaking U.S. nuclear site — Official: We believe there’s been a breach… “It’s a very serious thing” — ‘Seismic event’ mentioned — High levels of alpha and beta radiation detected

    But lets let CEMRC spin it – – – –
    Russell Hardy, director of CEMRC, Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center emphasized that the radiation levels found a half mile northwest of WIPP are no more dangerous than radiation the public has already been exposed to. " There's plutonium and americium in our environment from prior detonations of nuclear weapons and from satellites that have fallen out of orbit and lost their payload, so there's naturally occurring americium and plutonium in the environment that falls out and lands in the soil," Hardy said.

    That naturally falling plutonium and americium is a PR Dream, hell yes !

  • kickstand970 kickstand970

    A grim "Of Special Importance" (highest classification level) report prepared by the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation (ROSATOM) circulating in the Kremlin warned that the "potentially catastrophic nuclear event" currently unfolding at the US atomic Waste Isolation Pilot Plant on what is called nuclear salt-water rockets (NSWR), which is a proposed type of nuclear thermal rocket designed by Robert Zubrin that would be fueled by water bearing dissolved salts of plutonium or U-235. Under tight strictures put upon it by US law, this report says, the White House needed Russia’s HEU Purchase Agreement uranium for these NSWR experiments and which is not reportable. On 5 February, however, this report continues, these NSWR experiments at the WIPP went "horrifically wrong" leading to an explosion and fire at the underground facility, followed by the 14 February "radiological event" that prompted its full evacuation. Of the greatest concern to Russian nuclear experts, this report says, is the US conducting these NSWR experiments at the WIPP facility in the first place as nearly the entire Carlsbad, New Mexico region is in danger of collapsing due to the massive sink holes appearing over these areas vast underground salt domes.


  • Chudleigh Chudleigh

    WIPP is making TEPCO look like a bunch of Nobel laureates.

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