TV: Highest ever radiation levels detected outside reactor buildings at Fukushima — People exposed to it would die in 20 minutes (VIDEO)

Published: December 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am ET
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Asahi Shimbun, Dec. 7, 2013: Record outdoor radiation level detected at Fukushima plant — [Tepco] said Dec. 6 it detected the highest estimated radiation level for an outdoor location at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. The reading of 25 sieverts per hour was taken on steel piping near an exhaust stack for the No. 1 and No. 2 reactors, TEPCO said. [...] A TEPCO official said radioactive materials derived from melted fuel likely entered the piping during venting soon after the accident [...]

NHK Transcript, Dec. 6, 2013: Engineers at Japan’s crippled nuclear plant  have hit another snag. They’ve discovered radiation outside a building on the Fukushima Daiichi site, and say it’s potentially lethal.

NHK WORLD, Dec. 6, 2013: Highest radiation levels measured outside reactor — Tokyo Electric Power Company says radiation levels are extremely high in an area near a ventilation pipe at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. TEPCO found radiation of 25 sieverts an hour on a duct [...] The estimated radiation level is the highest ever detected outside reactor buildings. People exposed to this level of radiation would die within 20 minutes. [...]

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Published: December 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am ET
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215 comments to TV: Highest ever radiation levels detected outside reactor buildings at Fukushima — People exposed to it would die in 20 minutes (VIDEO)

  • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

    How much core material made it through the duct and into the exhaust stack? Is there contamination in the exhaust stack itself? Hard to measure but remotely controlled drone could hover close enough to get readings. Such drones are available off the shelf. Obvious why stack has not been checked, it would prove that core material was released into the air.


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    • they will send in humans when it's too radioactive for machines — i don't get it why drones aren't used more. *mechanical* drones. doesn't take a rrocket scientist, if you'll pardon the expression.


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      • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

        it is my understanding that the electronics fail when radiation levels get too high. That is why they don't use robots.


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        • "mechanical" not "electronic" robots lack this weakness to radiation. hence my wondering.


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          • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

            Electronic drones can be used to measure radiation from a distance. You just have to back off when radiation is getting too high. Of course radiation tolerant electronics must be used, just like space probes.


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          • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

            EA45:
            Quite right you are.
            Recall that an alpha particle is simply a Helium nucleus.
            That nucleus has a charge of +2 due to the two protons that are missing their electrons (for charge balance).

            Semiconductor electronics is based on charge concentrations
            and movement within the impurity dope crystal lattice.

            The extra charge from the Helium nucleus can/will have a significant effect on "the goings on" in the chip.

            Impinge a lot of alpha at typical velocities and you can wreak all sorts of havoc on the semiconductor behavior.
            Think of a bus full of people and the doors and windows have no latches. All is well until two fat drunks insist
            that they are getting in. The net result is that some people will get pushed out the back door or a window.
            Bus is still as full as it was before they got on.
            Then the drunks decide to get off the bus.
            The people who got pushed out are ow at ground level and
            do not have the strength or energy go climb back in the way
            they came out.

            In silicon memory circuits (RAM) this means that bit states (stored charge, or none) will get altered.
            This means data is corrupted and/or the OS gaggs badly.
            Or all of the above.

            This effect is what causes the noise (snow, sparklies) effect on the videos we have seen from inside the buildings at Fuku.

            It is also why all of the robots have quickly died once inside.


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          • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

            FF: We have yet to be able to make a mechanical robot.
            We are still struggling to just get the electronic ones to do well with typical obstacles.

            In 2004 (not so long ago) DARPA funded an autonomous vehicle race contest. ALL ENTRANTS FAILED. And quickly.

            In 2005 they sponsored again, with a 10 hour time limit.
            The winner made it in just under 7 hours, with 3 behind it within an hour later. The last one took about 13 hours.

            DARPA sponsored an urban version of the contest in 2007.
            11 out of 89 entries were allowed in.
            Only 6 of the 11 finished without a major accident.
            Which implies that even the winners had some accidents!.

            The latter scenarios were customized by very motivated and talented engineers, depending on computers and complex sophisticated software and GPS, and most still failed badly.

            Imagine trying with purely mechanical parts.

            Rhetorical questions: Just how does a mechanical robot send back video? Be able to see and avoid obstacles? Detect radiation levels? Control motor speed for movement?

            End of rant.


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      • rakingmuck

        How can they send in humans. I have not checked personally but highly trusted source says spike at reactor 3 reaches infinity


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        • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

          rakingmuck:

          Any source that uses the term infinity with respect to anything measured is NOT to be trusted.

          Infinity is a purely theoretical abstraction.
          And an elusive one at that.

          Infinity is a fundamentalist religion within the subcultures of math and physics.

          Feel free to quote me on that.

          They will write PhD theses about it.
          They will write books about it.
          They will debate and argue about it's features and implications without any way to measure it or verify anything about it, while talking about it as if there is something tangible about it.

          Reactor 3 measurements beyond their ability to measure?
          Easily.

          Digital readout displaying all 9s simply indicates their
          is more of something being measured than what the transducer
          can respond to.

          So….I suggest you be very leery of anything the "highly trusted" source has to say about any of this stuff.

          Oh…by the way…I love you and I am stuck here in central Nigeria on a business trip to help feed the poor and need you to send me some money to get home. $1000 ought to be enough and I will pay you back $2000 as soon as I get home.


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          • rakingmuck

            Thank you for the advice. I do not personally have the money. They will be waking up in Nigeria now – yes? Is there a way I can find out more about you?


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            • vicky13 vicky13

              >>Oh…by the way…I love you and I am stuck here in central Nigeria on a business trip to help feed the poor and need you to send me some money to get home. $1000 ought to be enough and I will pay you back $2000 as soon as I get home.
              >>

              Sounds like a nigerian date scammer to me,, LOL


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              • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

                OK.
                Guess I should have avoided trying any humor via text.

                My point was that the idea of having measured something as infinite was as believable as a Nigerian money scam.

                They can both seem very sincere if taken literally.

                My apologies for the confusion.


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      • lickerface lickerface

        Using humans helps cook the books. Electronics are a better tool of recording data. I'd use disposal people rather than electronics if I wanted to hide the truth.


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    • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

      Thinking about it more I realize that it is almost a certainty that debris from the core made it up and out the exhaust stack. Since that duct is feeding the stack. I'd call this smoking gun type evidence. Appropriate for Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.

      BTW drones were used early on to survey the damage, they could be used again. But I doubt very much that TEPCO or the government want to confirm venting of corium through the exhaust stack. I'll bet there is plenty of corium still lining the stack.


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  • pkjn

    Highest radiation levels measured outside reactor
    Dec. 6, 2013 NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation)

    Tokyo Electric says radiation levels are extremely high in an area near a ventilation pipe at the Fukushima plant.

    Tokyo Electric found radiation of 25 sieverts an hour on a duct, which connects reactor buildings and the 120-meter-tall ventilation pipe.

    The estimated radiation level is the highest ever detected outside reactor buildings. People exposed to this level of radiation would die within 20 minutes.

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20131207_01.html


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  • CaptD CaptD

    More about Fukushima Radiation, and why the Japanese people are now in even bigger trouble and/or will have even more health problems:

    Japanese Scientists DENY reality AGAIN

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/11/12/national/plan-to-lower-radiation-readings-okd/#.Up5u3ij4_AY


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  • bozzy54

    Good reason for the state secret law!


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  • this should be lethal in three minutes — i thought one sievert could kill you in one hour — if i am not mistaken


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    • nedlifromvermont

      ten Sieverts absorbed dose, gamma, equals 1000 REM a 100% fatal dose, usually within days,

      One Sievert equals 100 REM a lot, but survivable (equals 1,000 milliSieverts.)

      Five Sieverts equals 500 REM a lethal dose to fifty per cent of population exposed, within two to three weeks …

      These are usually expressed in dosages per hour; so limiting the time of exposure limits the dose … la dee da …

      The gamma rate of exposure to freshly removed spent fuel, at a distance of one foot, with no water shielding is 10,000 Sieverts per hour … or 167 Sieverts per minute or roughly three Sieverts per second … see why they just love their fool pools.

      Exposure to gamma decreases by (help me here somebody) inverse of the square of distance from source … some such equation.

      Alpha and beta emitters mainly harmful if ingested by breathing contaminated air or eating contaminated food or liquids.

      Have I got this right. This is the "Wonderful World of Progress" which GE sold to a gullible public in 1964.

      No way to stop the corium, or gather it up, or wipe it down, just let it go sploosh fizzle and pop??

      So very thank you to GE for your invention!! Not.

      Take no notice of the GE logo all over the Daichi mess.

      It's all Japan's fault for forcing us to sell them nuclear fission power plants, sold cheap, with no manufacturer's guarantee, (except that it could ruin your country) and no manufacturer liability insurance policy to speak of!

      peace …


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I see some brave journalism going on..shhhhh….


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  • Rufus

    25 Sieverts per hour would kill you in 20 minutes, but you would feel instantly sick the second you were exposed to that level.
    You'd be on the ground in 3 minutes.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      In Clifton Jersey there is a great hotdog joint called Rutt's Hut. One of their specialty hotdogs is one, deep fat fried until the skin blisters, tears, and splits. It's called a "Ripper". 20 minutes exposure to 25 sieverts, and you'd be a Ripper.


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      • Cisco Cisco

        In Clifton Jersey there is a great hotdog joint called Rutt's Hut. One of their specialty hotdogs is one, deep fat fried until the skin blisters, tears, and rips. It's called a "Ripper". 20 minutes exposure to 25 sieverts, and you'd be a Ripper.


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  • bozzy54

    My radiation detector keeps reading 0.04-0.38 McSv/hr more so to the higher side during my normal day. Low level background radiation bothers me the most ahead of whats flowing our way.
    BOYCOTT JAPAN AMERICA


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  • captvldz

    What the HELL is going on??? I have a 2 year old son who is the most beautiful little person and so kind and gentle. We live in Everett Washington on puget sound next to the pacific. What's going to happen to my son if we stay ?


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    • captvldz

      My throat hurts and I've been getting headaches along with my wife. Our bones hurt and our muscles ache. I also been getting scab like rash on my head and my dogs skin is red and she has a huge lump on her side


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      • captvldz

        My two year old son is constantly sneezing now along with my wife and i. What do we do? Is there anywhere to go ? How do i protect my beautiful son?


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        • captvldz

          Is this really going to be the end? Can anyone tell me where i can take my son to protect him or if this really is the end what can we expect?


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          • seems too uncomfortable for anyone to reply to your concerns but I will try….
            where you live is in a death plume of fallout and contamination from fuku and although the entire planet is going to be a mess your short term goal should be to leave the nw.
            Long term goal, enjoy your time with your son while learning to accept the certainty of your demise, as well as his. nobody will escape this,it is part of the goal of depopulation of us "useless eaters" as carved into the georgia guidestones.
            I take no joy in telling you this, but what we need less of is lies and more truth exposed as to what is coming.


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          • tarpus

            Hello captvldz… I too have a son that lives in Everett. My ex lives there too and my good friend lives in Seattle. My buddy knows what's going on very well. I told my ex wife the best way I could and I don't really think she wants to know…she has two other boys there too. The best thing you can do for your son is to try remain level headed (as hard as that may be) and as cliche' as it sounds, don't let the fear get the best of you as it really doesn't do you or anybody any good. It may be radiation and it may be some other things going on too… Things are the way they are and nothing is going to change that and feel some solace in the fact that you are able to live in an exciting time and had a chance to procreate and make such a beautiful son.
            This song seems fitting for these times…
            George Michael – Praying for Time
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1PuJb-blp8


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          • educate yourself on the basics for starters, if you have not already

            http://tinyurl.com/nukushima

            and

            http://tinyurl.com/newkushima — follow the links on the second until you get to the downloadable zip file


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          • Kassandra

            Captvtldz

            I am so sorry. We have the same experiences/symptoms here in AZ, but slightly less pronounced.

            I've been preparing to flee for years and I'm getting closer to the decision to take my family and leave everything for an uncertain future in the southern hemisphere.

            The unfortunate truth is rational flight is construed by public officials everywhere as 'panic,' so all efforts will be made to calm the public with reassuring expertise.

            Scientists and whistle-blowers who don't tow the official line can be indefinitely detained without trial because they jeopardize state 'security.'

            Fascism is here, unleashed by the worst nuclear disaster in human history.

            I would be ok with dying while fighting suppression of this information (I've lived a full life), but I must protect my children so I am making plans for ways OUT.


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          • tfreeman007

            I wanted to say, I also live near here, Seattle for me.
            There was something going around, cold or something. Had that
            like upper resp cough. Went away last week.
            Flying is bad. (I flew a few months ago, down to CA and back and got a nose bleed – and I dont get nose bleeds.)

            That said, I've been following this site and others
            since about 7/11.
            Look I stopped dairy and you should too. Kids dont need it after 2. No strawberries for your kid also.
            Q: The question of where to live… Some that I talked
            to say we know about this accident but other mishaps are bound to happen
            and the most likely site of the next is the East Coast
            since it has many plants, look at a map. Now I'm from the East;
            most of my family is there. Before 3/11 the west was
            paradise. The trouble is that nobody has balls to tell it
            like it is. If there is a problem, so say it. If not
            say it too. Now I know this has been whispered before so
            I will say out loud. First I love all people animals
            and life. The slow seepage should not be allowed.
            The powers that be, supposedly discussed a "surgical"
            strike on FK (yes add another bomb to the list of WW2)
            and zap the thing / vaporizing it and could have been done
            at the beginning. But they probably thought it too expensive to relocate people and compenstate them for
            nuking their property. That would have been better
            than nuking sea and injuring the countless. Q: where do
            people relo to? Some considered all those empty cities…


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            • tfreeman007

              They clip you to 350 chars.
              Wanted to say that my cold I had lasted about 3wk or so.
              Also go to the baking isle and pick up some pectin its
              a good detox agent (if you fear that you have consumed
              something and passed it to your kid if you were breast feeding or your kid picked it up) and should not hurt a 2yo. Give your kid some love from me. Also no mushrooms for them also. My motto is … if they can not tell you anything, be conservative. Where you live you get more snow than me; no snow for your kid. (I get hardly no snow.) Places like Denver or MN get lots of snow and snow can be bad (be conservative). Where I grew up on the East, we get plenty of snow. I have a friend that lives in Jacksonville and it can rain like crazy same for Atlanta.


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            • harengus_acidophilus

              Magic nukes?

              "The powers that be, supposedly discussed a "surgical"
              strike on FK (yes add another bomb to the list of WW2)
              and zap the thing / vaporizing it and could have been done
              at the beginning. But they probably thought it too expensive to relocate people and compenstate them for
              nuking their property. "

              Magical bombing?
              If you nuke the site, you will disperse the fuel/coria.
              There is no known way, to blow atoms to nirvana,
              all we can do is mix them with others,
              so called "dilution".

              You like big bangs, didn't you?

              h.


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          • Max1 Max1

            captvldz,
            Seattle here…
            … Nose infections and spotting blood for two years now.


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          • Cisco Cisco

            captvldz…One of the best investigated articles (published June 2011) about nuclear power is Jeff Donn's of AP, "Aging Nukes: A four-part investigative series". It should be a primer for those who are new to the story of Fukushima Daiichi. It's a good read, even for those who are educated on the subject.
            http://www.ap.org/company/awards/aging-nukes

            It may provide some answers to your fears.


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        • please please please please please take steps to get you and your family out of there!

          http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2011/09/fukushima-video-if-you-can-only-show.html

          not that i think you are willingly avoiding information, or you would not be here.


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          • captvldz

            Thank you both. I need the truth not silence. Is there anywhere in the US for us to go ? Like a pocket of temporary protection so i can give my son as long as i can? I WANT people to talk openly with me. Im prepared to die but and im not sensitive to what is coming. My wife won't let me talk about it because she the kind of person who doesn't want to believe. My wife is 8 weeks pregnant, should we abort the baby to protect it ?


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            • Kassandra

              This is what Fukushima is:

              It is an event that causes people to consider aborting their otherwise wanted babies for fear of great suffering

              This is what nuclear power is: the ultimate genome DESTROYER!

              Captvldz there is no way of knowing whether your baby will be affected. Exposure is so variable depending upon diet, lifestyle, etc. Your baby may be unaffected.

              However, the longer you stay in the direct line of fire, via the jet stream, the more impacts to your family.

              Does anyone know what areas of the country were impacted least?

              I would rule out any area of the country under the jet stream for a substantial share of the year.


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            • that is not something i can advise you on. i should not be here, myself, miracle of science at the time, and i am very very grateful to be here.

              i can say this: if you keep it, MOVE. of course there are better places in the US — GET AWAY FROM THE COAST. do your research: look for where the readings are historicaly lowest.


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              This images gives a quick visual of the fallout patterns in the United States during nuclear "testing."

              http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/23/fallujah-fukushima-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-part-2/fig-12-fallout-us/

              If you are moving, some data from the height of the nuclear "testing" era suggest that the closer you get to the equator, the less fallout is deposited. Latitude seems to make far more difference than longitude. In other words, people often suggest moving east, but Boston got more fallout than sites closer to Nevada, for example. It comes down in the rain.

              Ecuador is a cheap place to live, and has great medical services for drastically reduced cost. More and more work can be done remotely. It is only one option.

              This graph shows the levels according to latitude during the nuclear "testing" era. Graphs exist that show similar differences by latitude in 1996, I believe. If anyone has a link to something more current, I would love to see it:
              http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/09/catastrophic-effects-of-radiation-contamination/fig-4b-bombtstdeposition/

              "the fallout in the Southern Hemisphere is only one-fourth that in the Northern Hemisphere"
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14460479


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            • i dedicated this to love:

              http://faustsstudy.blogspot.com/2013/12/amor-vincit-omnia.html

              — inspired to finally post it by you and your family….

              "love is the answer
              and you know that
              for sure"
              – john lennon


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            • tfreeman007

              Also if you travel when pregnant; don't fly, drive.

              But note, my cousin's wife is a flight attendant; my cousin's dad tried to say stop flying. But she kept doing
              it up till the end. Flying is even more of a risk.
              Also not to mention the full body xrays.

              They had a fine baby. (Still it seems reckless to me.)


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            • We Not They Finally

              captvkdz, if your wife is pregnant, you should definitely at least move HER! If you have, let's ay, relatives somewhere else. But hat doesn't make your 2-year-ld afe — hardly! Much less you.

              The EPA has been TERRIBLE, but they do publish a radnet of readings in many American cities. You can check on enviroreporter.com, on the right side of the home page, all the way down, click on US EPA RadNet Data — that U.S. map. It will bring you to the separate listings for cities all across America.

              But you'll see that they publish NO readings at all for beta counts in Washington State (that's the likes of strontium and cesium — VERY bad news) so we figure that that's because the readings are too high!

              We're here in Albuquerque, where technically the readings are ridiculous high, but at least they can be published. We've had spikes up to 680 CPM. Which is about 25 times above what should be "normal background," even though "normal" here looks like about 100 CPM.

              The thing is, in other States, like further East, you can see right away that for now at least, they are considerably LESS radiated. You still have to be selective. Like for some reason, Florida, because of the wind currents, gets a bad dose.

              We're from back East and we're on a waiting list for an Eastern city because staying here looks bad. But staying in Washington State would be REALLY bad.

              Meanwhile, there are things you can do to protect your health:…..


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              • We Not They Finally

                We've just had a dear friend diagnosed with either two separate cancers, or it's already metastasized, like quick. So we've been researching what BLANKET protections cancer patients should have. But the thing is, EVERYONE needs those blanket protections these days.

                One of the MOST critical things turns out to be water purification. Water is the basis of body chemistry and it has to be made illness-Unfriendly.

                To make a long story short, you need reverse osmosis, ionization, alkalization and mineralization. We got from DrSircus.com (he's a VERY good practitioner) a machine which does all that for $226. It's called Crystal Quest 50 GPD counter top 10-stage system, with the add-on for alkalizer/mineralizer/ionizer, if you want to look it up.

                I'd say DO NO LESS. Don't drink ANY of your local water without that kind of purification, even water used to make the coffee in Starbucks, or WHATEVER.

                Also, baking soda (equal parts of that and apple cider vinegar, 1/2 teaspoonful several times a day) will ALKALIZE the body, a KEY way to keep cancer away.

                The body also needs a lot of MAGNESIUM. (American diets are overloaded with calcium. But don't eat dairy in Washington State anyway. Look into maybe substitutes for your two-year-old.) Supplements and/or soak in Epsom Salt in a bath, which is magnesium sulfate.

                We like the drsircus.com website because he knows the radiation dangers, and is doing his best to make prevention doable for anyone at home…


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                • one small point:

                  i must politely disagree with the efficacy of that much baking soda on a regular basis: it may have the opposite effect with respect to ph; certainly (and counterintuitively), lemon juice is considered more effective for long term use.

                  I have personally found raw potato to be quite effective at alkalinization.

                  just saying.


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                • deedles deedles

                  If you are speaking of Marc Sircus, he's great.

                  Get some magnesium oil and you can rub it on your and your sons tummy when you get out of the shower. Great absorption. Epsom salt baths work well, too. I also believe (stronger all the time) in the power of prayer.

                  I'm in the mid-east part of Wisconsin and I've been doing 10 minute CPM reading for a couple weeks now and they are in the 25 to 31 (highest) range, higher noted to be during and just after rain. But when I look on netc, it'll show other parts of Wisconsin at like 100+ cpm and they aren't that far from me. I don't get that at all.


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                • Au Au

                  "you need reverse osmosis, ionization, alkalization and mineralization."

                  Yes, mineralization…very important. Trying to find a good bio-available source can be a challenge. Sure, there are heaps of brands but, lately, I have settled on BioPlasma by Hyland, 12 mineral salts all in one. "this product:is safe for children over age one and adults the young & the elderly"

                  They just melt in the mouth. Everyone for Christmas is getting a big bottle of this!

                  I noticed when I started taking it that my bones FELT BETTER (Sorry, caps police). Hmm, better that those receptor sites are filled with minerals instead of radioactive strontium and such.

                  I have that magnesium oil from Sirucs. Good stuff. Heads up though- it stains. Just use a shirt you don't care about.

                  Heads up on epsom salts too. Back in 2011 people were saying, "Oh yeah, you can go to the feed store and get 25 pounds of it for cheap so I did. I was looking at the small print on the label and it has lead in it! Not much lead,but still it was on the label.

                  Then I bought 25 pounds of Arm and Hammer baking soda because I read it did not have aluminum in it. But, then I read on-line that it did! I suppose if we have gotten dosed with rads we might find lead (Pb) and aluminum preferable. (But, not for pregnant women.) Bob's Red Mill has aluminum free baking soda. I have not found it in bulk though.

                  Epsom salt is great- just check your label ;)
                  Baking soda is a great soak just check the label ;)


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              • We Not They Finally

                Christino Consolo ("radchick") says that we should all start treating ourselves like cancer patients — preventatively, that is. We think that that is good advise.

                We're so sorry for what you are doing through. But really do try to get OUT of there. In a few years, Washington State is probably one of the places people will want to exodus from, anyway. And it looks like you need to get ahead of that curve NOW.

                All our love and encouragement. And we have found that this is a great website, ourselves. People really want to help and we actually learn more from the posters than from the articles!


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                • deedles deedles

                  Yes, get ahead of the mad rush out of there. Such an awful shame. I've been to Mt. Ranier and remember fishing in the Puget sound and almost getting run over by a ferry because our motor wouldn't start. I thought it was a gorgeous part of the country.

                  Thinking of Dante's inferno. What level of hell is there for these nuke murderers?


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            • Salemone Salemone

              I am disturbed by your questions regarding your pregnant wife. It is clear from your posts that you have a 'normal' 2 year old, which would indicate your wife was pregnant when the Daichi plant blew. I am concerned you would ask an energy new site about the idea of terminating a pregnancy. I hope you are not a shill, and if not, I hope you understand this is the wrong place to pose such a question.


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            • my honey has gotten the data from a federal program tha measured falloout from testing over a period of 20 years, and mapped it. data from the non proliferation labs worldwide gives a source for the deposition after 3/11. comparison from data therefrom show that the fallout, that is, the contamination that fell to earth via the air from fukushima is much, much less. not nearly so much of a danger unless you live in japan. a one time plume like the west coast got is much easer for the human body to handle….. (CONT)


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            • zogerke zogerke

              hope not off topic: water purification. Philadelphia water is purified ground water. Is triple filtration and reverse osmosis going to protect from radiation? i know it will protect from pesticides, lead, VOCs, etc. But I thought only zoelite and adsorption was useful to remove radiation from drinking water….Any one know about this?


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            • Protect yourself. No one else will do it for you.

              List And Links To Citizen Radiation Monitoring Networks; via @AGreenRoad
              http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/08/list-and-links-to-citizen-radiation.html

              Radiation And Geiger Counter Readings Simplified; via @AGreenRoad
              http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/01/radiation-and-geiger-counter-readings.html


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          • rakingmuck

            It is not easy for many as it poses economic hardship. That being said that list is invaluable. I live in Southern California and can tell radiation levels by symptoms now. Is that link up?


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      • do not panic and no need to give in to defeatism. you can do it: even if this is not the radiation (and i must admit i had some of the same symptoms back in april of 2011) it still poses a significant threat over time to your son. how would you feel if he became one of the unlucky ones that this coast's predicament will most certainly spawn?

        do not let him go out ijn the rain, or eat seaweed, green leafy vegetables, strawberries. under no condition let him play at the beach or in the surf. drink filtered water. wear a mask when you sweep or vacuum, gloves when you change air filters….no shoes in the house…

        he can't do it by himself. he needs you.

        us adults should be able to take action more swiftly i know — but i also know how hard it is. sometimes i feel trapped — but that is nothing to the reality facing the children. hell, if you have room on your caravan and you are headed south, please look me up, my email is on my blog, http://femalefaust.blogspot.com


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        • tfreeman007

          add dairy and also no snow playing (to your list)

          Ah back in the day, we would , as kids, play in the snow.
          And a few years ago I was a huge veggie eater. Ah give me the
          sweet glowing organic honeycrisp from the good old days. Stay away or reduce that too
          now to play it conservative. (Now I will say I still eat kale
          and some clinatro

          But I must say Ms Faust you are well read.


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          • We Not They Finally

            You mean NO dairy, yes? (I'm sure that's what you meant.) It gathers strontium-90 whih mimicks calcium. And that's what leads to bone cancer and/or leukemia.

            Steep drop in white blood cell count (as is endemic in Tokyo children by now) can be a pre-cursor, and that can be determined by blood tests that an M.D. can authorize.


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            • jump-ball jump-ball

              Skip the visit to and cost of seeing your own doctor, if you even still have your own doctor, and order and pay (much less) for a CBC or any test you want, online from PRIVATEMDLABS.C, print the email order and take it to any LABCORP or other lab that will accept it, and get your results emailed back in 3 days.

              Doctors in japan are forbidden to order such nuclear-oriented tests, doctors here are unwilling, but we can care for ourselves using this unknown service until contamination symptoms become endemic in the u.s., at which time 'our' politicized HHS or another statist agency, or congress, shuts the service down.

              It would be valuable to monitor children with their rapid cell growth rate contamination susceptability, or perhaps to monitor everyone in suspect regions.

              If anyone has done the math on what tests should be done, newsers would like the answers.


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            • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

              WNTF:
              Industrial (non organic) dairy has been a nightmare for the last 40+ years.
              The majority of milk calories are from the fat in it.
              And that fat accumulates the majority of nasties like pesticides and herbicides in what the cows eat (never mind GMO corn!).
              So it needed to be avoided even before Fuku.
              Add in the concentration of radioactive elements from the fall out in dairy fat and dairy easily becomes a very effective way to ingest concentrated amounts of radioactive elements from Fuku.

              The latter does not even address the issue of dairy as the only nonhuman source for IGF-1.
              And some people wonder why the cancer rates have gone through the roof.


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          • yes, admittedly my list was partial, being, as it was, off the top of my head.

            and, thank you, tfreeman007, for the compliment.


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        • rakingmuck

          Do you still have a twitter account? I used to follow you. Now following blog.


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      • mesa777

        In PHX, AZ area, have the same deal on my head as well!!


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      • jonnyboy jonnyboy

        hmm.. i live in seattle, and i dont seem to have any problem, nor do i see anyone with issues like this…. while i am deeply concerned about Fukishuma, i am not quite ready to evac. or move.. i sense, you, poster are trolling.


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    • "What's going to happen to my son if we stay ?" – captvldz

      I do not have an answer for that.

      The way the 'experts' would say it is…
      "What's the calculated RISK?"

      Things can be done, like mitigation, awareness and moving. These things may help to decrease exposure.

      Every child born from 311 on should be taught that those who created and supported these DNA destroying Death Machines were criminals. It was a bad idea that was allowed to go insane.

      Every child should be taught from day one to respect the air, water and soil of this life giving planet. Not to respect these three, free to all, resources is not only going to harm one's self, but every other living INNOCENT creature on the globe.

      It IS unfair!
      June 11, 2012
      https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Enviro%20Sad%20Comment%20001.jpg
      (A very sad comment from EnviroReporter.com)


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      • Gasser Gasser

        Danny's song: Loggins & Messina

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4FDcTyyXQb8

        ~~~~

        People smile and tell me I'm the lucky one,
        
And we've only just begun.
        
Think I'm gonna have a son.

        
He will be like she and me, as free as a dove,
        
Conceived in love.
        
Sun is gonna shine above.

        And even though we ain't got money,
        
I'm so in love with you, honey,
        
And everything will bring a chain of love.

        After 3/11/11

        
But, shit, now in the mornings, when we rise,
        
Fukushima Dieichie brings tears of fear to our eyes
        
And enenews'ers tell's us everything not gonna be alright.

        Seems as though, a month ago,
        I was in China syndrome denial,

        
Never F—ing got it.
        
Oh, I was a sorry guy.

        
And now, I frown and face the girl that shares my name.
        
Now I'm through with Nuclear games.
        
This world will never be the same.

        And even though we ain't got money,

        I'm so in love with you, my Cesium polluted honey,
        
Though everything will bring a chain reaction criticality.

        
And in the morning, when we rise,

        Dieichie reality will bring many tears to our eyes

        As I bullshit you that everything is gonna be alright.

        [Con't]


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        • Gasser Gasser

          [Con't]

          Plutonium and Cesium's rising is not a very good sign,

          Strong bad ass shit, and not so kind,

          And the little deformed boy is mine.

          
Now I see a radiated family where the once was none.
          
Holy shit! we've just begun.
          
Yeah, we're gonna fry like the sun.

          And even though we ain't got money,

          I'm so in love with you, my Plutonium glowing honey,
          
As Japan's reactors will bring a chain reaction of death.

          
And in the morning, when we rise,

          You bring a tear of fear to my eyes

          As I see you're health is not alright.

          Question the girl who holds a hormesis Tritium laced water in a paper cup.

          Watch her stupidly drink it up.

          Love her and she'll bring you bad luck.

          
And if you find she helps your stupid mind, take this radioactive hottie home.

          Don't you live Actinide dosed alone.

          Try to earn what lovers own.

          And even though were completely contaminated,

          I'm so in love with your hot body, it must be fear placated,

          And life will bring a chain of anti radiation Pharmacy drugs.

          
And in the morning, if we rise,

          You'll bring a tear of joy to my eyes

          Bullshitting myself into everything is gonna be alright.

          ~Gasser Classic~


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    • razzz razzz

      You need to talk to a doctor familiar with radioactive fallout effects. Try the local Chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility,
      Washington Chapter
      4500 9th Ave NE Suite 92 ,
      Seattle, Washington 98105
      Phone: 206-547-2630

      http://www.psr.org/chapters/washington/

      Maybe you can get a referral for a good doctor to speak with or maybe they can get you headed in the right direction.


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  • jec jec

    The comment,"A TEPCO official said radioactive materials derived from melted fuel likely entered the piping during venting", is chilling. Those reactors are STILL venting! What happened to the "filters" which were said to be in place? Then and NOW? What happened to the COLD SHUTDOWN they touted? (SARCASM!). Right now on webcams, what about the RED FLASHING lights on the cranes? They are 8 positioned over the two reactors 1 and 2 which 'vented' that melted fuel or other radioactive material and are still steaming out radiation. You know, those two reactors no one can enter due to high deadly radation. You know, the reactors whose radiation levels are so high they destroy robots. You know…..


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  • bozzy54

    Drones and/or robots can not handle high radiation either. They've tried


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  • weeman

    Correct me if I am wrong but that stack was used to vent cores, now if you have hot heavily contaminated air going up the stack and the outside air is obviously colder, the inside of the stack will precipitate and that precipitation will be heavily contaminated and run down stack and accumulate at bottom of stack?
    This does not surprise me, I would like to know what the reading coming out top of stack was during the event, or I would like you to analyze the ratio of isotopes at bottom of stack and give us a indication of atmospheric realease during event.
    This is a opinion and I am in trouble with the law, I have my middle finger raised, I would relish the chance to face you in court.


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  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    They have been working there for over 1000 days and they just 'discovered' this?
    Something (not rems) doesn't add up.


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  • I thought this was reported some time ago and is related to the cracks found on the support tower that they can't fix because of high radiation. Or is this another tower? Someone said send in the drones. That won't work as high level radiation messes up electronics function. Can't send in humans or robots. This nuclear technology is really an uncontrollable poison we have saddled our childrens childrens grandkids with. Those in charge lie and deceive as thats all they are fit for. Someone somewhere deserves a bullet through his liver. Until then eat drink and be merry.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Hi guys, I'm in a pickle. Someone is telling me I need to trust the WHO over people like you and Arnie Gundersen. HAha I know. We all know why that is laughable, but my issue is that I cannot locate a link that I can provide to back up what I'm saying to him. It used to be so easy to find these links- I should have bookmarked them when I had the chance.


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  • rogerthat

    Weird, isn't it. On the one hand, the IAEA and their minions say no-one ever dies of radiation, and on the other this stuff can be lethal within 20 minutes. Cognitive dissonance on a grand scale. Three russian scientists came up with a figure of 960,000 deaths from Chernobyl. The IAEA's estimate was about 20, if i remember. Why do people put up with it?


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  • tsfw tsfw

    I'm sorry. I need data about the WHO's involvement with the nuclear industry as well as information on the 'safe' levels being raised. Basically the evidence that they are not a trusted source. I came across a good article a while back but it's slipping my mind. My search results are only bringing up RENSE and INFOWARS type malarky that will not help my cause. Thanks :)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Because they have been brain washed and are under very strict wide spread multi-layered control(s)/distractions that are very deeply ingrained in/throughout their ever present created Zeitgeist Matrix.. :(


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  • retali8 retali8

    does anyone have any links handy which might assist in (proof) obtaining environmental refugee as i run away from japan please ?


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Wow this is great material thanks all!


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    ONE LEAKING NUCLEAR PLANT CONTAMINATING THE PLANET . . .

    U.S. developed this horrid technology and should show a little concern.


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  • ruppert

    I think that right after the accident we were instructed that the radiation would not reach us and we would know anything as soon as our leaders knew and that set the standard for who or what to believe or trust.

    You really have to do your own research according to your location, whether you have children or not and finances etc. There is not a one answer fits all situations. There are a lot of good videos and scour your area to learn from others so you don't have to reinvent the wheel and keep a good notebook so you stay organized.

    Google (at the moment) is your friend.

    Unfortunately there are a lot of reactionary people who are using this situation to sell products. The major question I always consider is "Is this person benefiting personally from what what they are telling me"? Even then sometimes their information is useful so you have to use or develop good discernment.

    Ask, ask, ask and learn from others. When I get enough of the same answer from different sources that I feel good about, then I use the information. Don't rely on any one person's ideas as each person or organization have biases or agendas so be wary.

    Whatever any of you do, don't wait till the very last minute as your choices become fewer and less optimal.

    If you use online radiation maps, they can be a good "general" guide to safer areas but read the averages and don't go by one day's readings as the levels are a fluid dynamic.

    Good Luck


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    • We Not They Finally

      epa radnet does give beta readings ongoing for many American cites, not all. It's at least a back-up for people. Because they are criminally negligent about everything else, it seems.

      I do remember (will ALWAYS remember) when Obama's five minute speech said that all we needed to do was to "stay fully informed." As he did not even caution pregnant women to stay out of the radioactive rain-out, and hightailed his own family off to South America.

      And we voted for the guy. At the time we thought he was a human. Now we're not sure that anyone running for President is/will-be a human.

      We could laugh or cry, so we just try to do a little of each…


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  • Shaker1

    Mack, I think something similar to this was reported long before even the damage to the vent stacks.

    As for robots, I personally think they need to take a different attitude. Industry relied upon air and hydraulic logic long before the advent of electronics. Granted, the packages are larger, or one would have to have hoses that would obviously be difficult, and neither have the capability of video, but they'd last much longer in a radioactive environment. Simple heat is also not such a great concern. We get used to having things that 'do everything' in one package. I'm talking out my ass, because I'm not an engineer, just a metal worker, but I truly think its more a matter of effort and lack of expertise concentrated in the right place. Who cares if one needs two or even six robots of robustly radioactive resistent design working together (because none can do everything itself) to do the work of one of electronic design that does it all but unpredictably fails? The point is getting it done, right? What does time matter when one is doing nothing at all? I've seen some pretty complicated and rather small systems where space and package size weren't even necessary. Maybe just another crack-pot idea, but in my experience doing something even if wrong allows one to learn how to do it right. Hell, they're doing nothing now that I know of.


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  • ftlt

    This whole thing is so scary… And to think there are 500 more of them lined up waiting to happen…


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  • myau

    To Captvldz, donnot abort, go south. Countries like Paraguay, Argentina, S.Africa, from what I have read, may buy you extra 20 to 50 years,but mind you no expert has confirmed this yet. Perhaps some Enenewsers can comment here! Thanks.


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    • ftlt

      My: The Bush family has beat you to it… See – their vast land purchases in the recent past


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      • We Not They Finally

        Yeah, inhumane criminals running the planet, ruining the planet, taking over the planet. Yeah, safe spots for US, and F the other 7 billion people.

        Want HUMANS to be in charge, but doesn't seem to be happening. We've literally been driven to David Icke (an acquired taste? — yeah, probably) who details how a malevolent astral species that THRIVES on radiation, taking over the energies of the world power structure. It never sounded possible before, but how could HUMANS be doing this to even their own, plus all the other species on the planet?

        We find that Icke is a good guy — very humane, and still wants a mass human awakening. We're not that optimistic, but want that too. Who wouldn't?

        I guess we are just over the cliff by now, because it is criminally insane for humans to have done this to each other, themselves, and the whole planet.


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      • bo bo

        I'd rather die up here in north than become bush's and george soros' neighbor


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  • ruppert

    Also don't waste time trying to convince others about anything that you have learned from credible sources.

    It's heart breaking when you see people you care about making no effort to find out what is happening and possibly putting themselves and others they are responsible for into harms way.

    People think I'm crazy even just following the situation as it's been evolving. Don't allow people who are too lazy to prepare to throw you off track.

    Try to get an overall view of where you and your personal situation fits into the scheme of what is happening and use that as your personal compass, not what other people (who may have totally different situations) than yours that don't apply to your needs and situation.

    I can't even imagine what I'd do if I had children or was pregnant.

    The first thing any of us needs to do is to sit down and get a good realistic picture of what resources we have and what the reality is for our location and what we can or cannot do.

    So many people are scrambling around to go to the Southern Hemisphere without even realistically considering if it's viable for them.

    I think it will be helpful to watch what or where certain people are going. If people who might be considered "in the know" are suddenly leaving the area, pay close attention.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Thanks guys that was so helpful. Talking to people about this feels like throwing a grenade at a party, but I'll keep at it until I'm blue in the face.


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    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      tsfw:
      Let me help you out on this one, as I have been in your same situation for many years on many topics and social demographics.

      Humans are notorious for being resistant to change.
      Everything but humans adapts to environmental changes (or dies for not). Humans are the only species that will change their environment (air conditioning, heating, space suits, space ships).

      Addicts (drugs, alcohol, gambling, romance, etc.) are more than difficult to deal with in terms of altering their present life style that is killing them.

      Like Bucky Fuller noted…"Humanity has historically proven that it will stay on it's present path until it paints itself in to a corner with only two choices left…CHANGE of DIE".

      What I learned from a very good therapist friend was that the most effective thing I can do is live my life as an example of how to do it right. When people around do decide the change (vs die), they will be very desperate. And their new awareness will have my lifestyle in a spot light (in their mind) and they will want what I have.
      That is when they will listen.
      And not until.

      Like the addict, trying to educate those who do not want it simply irritates them and leaves them even more resistant.

      When the people you know are ready, they will start to talk about it. And you will be there for them they do.

      And remember, some addicts die addicts.
      Not everyone gets this life stuff figured out.


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  • ruppert

    You have to keep in mind that if you are preparing and a friend or family member is not, they may feel that they have to defend their position because they don't want to feel they are wrong or maybe putting their children into harms way.

    Find like minded people and avoid Fukushima conversations with people that will want to challenge your ideas or what you might be doing.

    Talking about Fukushima has gotten like talking about religion or abortion.

    Your reference to it being like a grenade at a party made me laugh cause it does feel that way.

    Don't waste time or energy on people that are thoroughly convinced that this is all being blown out of proportion or who consider the main stream media gospel.

    It's frustrating talking to people who honestly believe that if it isn't on CNN or NPR then it doesn't exist and there are many.

    I'm always blown away by what's not being reported or being downplayed.


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  • brjam

    For the most part things flow from west to east. The radiation in the water is going down the west coast and is already showing signs of hitting Australia and New Zealand. Once the radiation gets to the Drake passage and hits the Artic circumpolar current it will flow unimpeded around the world. The Artic current is the strongest in the world and routinely experiences waves to 100 feet and is the most dangerous area for ships and will spread the ocean radiation quickly and effectively in the southern hemisphere. IMO, sea life in the southern hemisphere will be the first to go. Looking at world globe and moving from Japan across the US past the east coast to Europe and Africa It would appear that the safest place would be along the equator and south, the Middle East. Israel, India, etc, away from the southern coastline and then second would be on the backside in Russia and Europe. Fallout would be least at the furthest point in the jet stream and south of it of course.


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  • razzz razzz

    That 25 sieverts is estimated from reading further away. EX-SKF has a better writeup about it…http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/12/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-tepco-estimates.html


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  • jedi jedi

    Hello this is for tepco ! Confucius say go to bed with problem
    in hand! wake-up with solution…..what it means is quit jacking off! The great nike once said (just do it ).//you dont have any workers,well we can help, just do buy anything from japan!and there will be lot of workers…


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  • razzz razzz

    WHO compiles all the information available but is an arm of the IAEA which has final say about what is released to the public keeping in line with their supportive nuclear agenda. This argument about radioactivity doesn't kill anyone (right away) is fallacious when looking at the death rates caused by cancers, been going up and up ever since man split the atom.

    Anyone (doctors, researches, scientists) studying outside their (IAEA's) control and producing contrary results gets dealt with harshly. (Older article, eventually received an Euro passport to escape persecution) http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/envirorights/info_access/29685/

    Dr. Busby is good independent reference for results concerning nuclear studies. Openly deals with the WHO and IAEA all the time.


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    • razzz razzz

      From the link above concerning Prof. Yury Bandazhevsky, an expert on the consequences of radioactive contamination caused by the Chernobyl catastrophe and outtake;

      "…Radioactive rain over Belarus
      The cesium-137 released after the explosion at Chernobyl NPP, Ukraine, in 1986 contaminated the environment 600 times worse than the Hiroshima bomb. Ukraine, Russia and Belarus suffered significantly more than other countries.

      Following the accident, the radioactive clouds, moving to Sweden and Norway, were seeded to rain above Belarus, because the USSR was afraid of possible lawsuits from Scandinavian countries. As a result, the Chernobyl contamination that reached Scandinavia in any case, was minimized — leaving most of the radioactive rain to spill on Belarus.

      With 10m total population, Belarus's approximately 2m people, including 500 thousand children, live on land contaminated by Chernobyl, which made more than 25 percent of Belarus's forest and farming areas radioactive. Official data say about 1.2m hectares of land that is still used for farming purposes is contaminated with cesium-137 at the rate of 37 kBq/m2.

      In Bandazhevsky's opinion, the contamination is widening — cesium and other isotopes are spread by forest fires and dust. Different forecasts predict a peak of various diseases caused by Chernobyl between 2005 and 2010…"

      The Russians seeded the clouds to washout Chernobyl radiation but radiation is not to be feared, go figure.


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  • Shaker1

    "It would appear that the safest place would be along the equator and south, the Middle East. Israel, India"…

    No offense, brjam, but are you aware of the contamination in the ME because of DU munitions? The dryness and wind coupled with indiscriminate use against lightly armed combatants has spurred studies that found decreased sperm counts among male IDF forces and problems in British forces, studies with which I'm casually familiar. I'm sure that the subject hasn't been studied enough and/or suppressed, but the rising cancer rates and birth defects in Iraq are generously noted. India is a rising economy with an attendant commitment to nuclear and notorious for not managing toxic situations any better than China's now, haphazrd concerns, some rather large, engaged in recycling and remanufacture of materials.

    While I might personally have sincere doubts about this being an ELE event, I think it's a life-changing event, the extent of which won't be realized until its greater expression. I also don't think that it's close to done for that greater expression to be anything but a poor guess. One must be discriminate, and not be surprised if their choice to relocate isn't orders better than anywhere else in whatever future this change manifests.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Another question if I may; How effective are dosimeters and geiger counters? Can we count on them for all types of radiation, and do they have an accuracy rate? Are there counters that we can buy that can test water? Just out of curiousity because my trust level is so low at this point, that I don't think I'd even have any confidence that I didn't waste money on more lies. I think a list of who and what is not tainted by the nuclear industry would be a lot easier to sift through. There is conflicting information about such gadgets online, and am wondering if someone here has any any expertise on the subject. Thank You.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Apparently, any really sophisticated, comprehensive radiation-reader can run into thousands of dollars. But the Inspector General was highly recommended by Michael Collins and apparently goes for less.

      Radiation seems very complicated. To start with, alpha, beta, gamma, all different, all deadly for different reasons. Like they say, oh, alpha, that just goes a tiny way, how harmful could it be? But if it is INGESTED and stays in your system, it is "an internal emitter," radiating the same small area for years on end, which eventually causes cancer.


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        WNTF:
        Quite right you are about the need to distinguish between external and internal emitters.

        I am compelled to offer a clarification here.

        The radioactive element ingested is what will emit the alpha (Helium nucleus…2 protons and two neutrons).
        It is the emitted alpha that is the problem.
        The alpha on it's own is not radioactive.
        Yet it is what rips up/through cell DNA.

        Think .22 cal bullet going through a China shop.
        Shop is still very intact.
        Anything the bullet hits is ruined.

        A 1000s of .22 bullets at random through the China shop?
        Nearly everything broken by the building structure is still
        very intact.

        Another feature is that most of the radioactive isotopes will become yet another (different element!) radioactive isotope that
        has a totally different decay mechanism and half life, etc.

        Sort of like a gun that can reload itself after firing, yet make different calibers and then fire those at random.

        FWIW


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    If R 1 is that high, I bet the others are also. The dog & pony show on unit 4 fuel is just that.
    Congress has passed laws making hard to leave the US, you must prove you owe no taxes & all sorts of crap. I dont the answers, but many say the radiation is pilling up from rain, dust, storms, farming. Then you have waste du,ps dotting the US, take St Louis, Hanford, Oak Ridge & all the leaking nuke plants in the US that should have been shut down long ago & all the SFP's over full of SF Rods & no place to store them.
    We do know one thing, the gov agencies we pay for has done nothing to help the people but raise the legal limits by 27,000%. Where they base these numbers from is anyones guess.
    I wish I could head to south America, but having the income, knowing the laws & how the locals feel toward Americans now that we have forced our will on these nations via big corporations who have raoed their lands & left waste behind. I hope more people come up with answers because I have none except to try to eat right & warn others!


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    • Au Au

      wetpwcas1 "knowing the laws & how the locals feel toward Americans now that we have forced our will on these nations via big corporations who have raoed their lands & left waste behind. "

      I was thinking the same thing. So, if the SHTF why wouldn't they hit the greengo expat areas first? If one goes down there it would be best to just mix in and leave the areas, where expats group up, alone. It ain't easy. I've done the move to a foreign speaking country thing without help and did not know the language. Frick'n hard. Every paper you get, setting up banking, etc. is a language nightmare. It's challenging, but it can be done, of course. After a few years you get the hang of it.


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      • razzz razzz

        The the latest government brainstorm is to tax everything outside the US borders by forcing foreign banks including Swiss banks to reveal all info about US customers (individual or corps). Limits (and reporting limits) are also placed on wire transfers and any other money movements inside or outside the US.

        The results is expected to be more revenue in the coffers (taxation). Reality, foreign banks are refusing to accept US citizens as customers due to the complex US reporting requirements. Business have to pay both foreign and IRS taxes where no other country (maybe one other) in the world taxes profits made on foreign soil. US companies have to pay twice, foreign tax and the IRS here at home.

        Some States are just as bad like California, where if you retire out of state but draw a pension from a California company or source, you have to file and pay taxes on it besides paying tax in the current State you reside in now.


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  • Max1 Max1

    "25 sieverts per hour…"

    The propaganda goes like this: "could" "potentially" cause death in 20 minutes…


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  • bincbom

    Far too radioactive for robots – and now too radioactive for the "bio robots".

    What a mess.


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  • Nick

    Radiation rising.

    Rip in space-time fabric.

    Think climate change will be out doom?

    Go nukes!

    Man, are we screwed.


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  • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

    Let's not panic people! First of all get a decent geiger counter. They are not sensitive enough to tell you if food is safe. But it will tell you if there is any unusual contamination in the environment. Learn the difference between alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. It is common for alpha radiation to increase after a rain. It is due to radon washed out of the air. Simple things like granite counter tops will increase background slightly, don't panic at small things. There are several groups at Yahoo dealing with geiger counters and their uses. Check out the Gamma Spectrometry group for more advanced testing of food etc. PS Make certain you buy a Geiger counter, the US Civil Defense surplus units are often ionization chamber types that only measure very high radiation levels.


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  • zogerke zogerke

    re: purification of drinking water- i read (here, probably) that zoelite and adsorption was what was effective for water removal of radiation, though nothing removes tritium. the best multi stage water filters these days have 3 or 5 stage filters and reverse osmosis, and remove VOCs, pesticides, lead, arsenic, cysts, flouride, etc. Great, useful, yes yes yes. But useful for removing radiation? How does that work? is it true?


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  • rakingmuck

    The insanity of people who used to be considered normal has begun. Signing off for a while. be well.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Thank you, I will take in what you all have said, thanks for sharing. If you all had to just take your best guess as to how this situation might evolve, what would it be? And in what sort of time scale? I realize that's impossible for anyone to determine with any accuracy at the moment- but just going on instinct, what would you bet your farm on if you had to?


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    • That's a really good question.

      Best guesses.

      Now:
      Radioactive contamination continues to accumulate as it has been for over 1000 days. Chernobyl and/or all of the Nuclear testing from the 60's is no longer a comparison. This is new experimental territory.
      (low dose long term radiation slowly accumulated exposures)

      Now and near future (next year):
      Die offs globally increase dramatically due to weakened immune systems, lack of births and damaged DNA to name a few things.

      In general, it will become more obvious.
      Ecosystem collapses and the universal connectivity to all things starts to become apparent to a few. The government authorities will issue that studies are to be done, but that could take several years.

      TEPCO will continue to pump water in desperate attempts to keep things cool. The contamination will get dumped into the Pacific.

      2016:
      The POTUS will not speak of this debacle until he's about ready to leave office. (if at all)

      Just a matter of time: (?)
      If/WHEN further earthquakes, tsunamis, human error, terrorism or war occur forcing abandonment of the Fuku facility, then the damage/change will accelerate globally beginning with the Pacific rim.

      5, 10 to 30 years:
      All Hell could break loose, like it hasn't already.

      300 years:
      If it were all to stop right now.

      The Cesium and Strontium will still be HAZARDOUS to life beyond the year 2311. Damage to all life's genetic structures will be affected. :(


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  • Socrates

    I smell panic here. Folks, get a grip. Yes, things will get worse. Do not falsely attribute each nosebleed to radiation. False attribution is a cognitive distortion. Anecdotal evidence is worthless.

    Unless there is a sudden event, this will be a chronic situation. Get reverse osmosis with double filtering. You still get tritium. Remove shoes in house. Get HEPA filters. Do not eat seafood from the Pacific Ocean.

    Prepare to shelter in place if you can afford to. But panicking is the wrong thing to do.


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  • nedlifromvermont

    @Socrates: not very reassuring, but still somewhat reassuring …

    Do you have your private stash of hemlock juice near to hand?


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    • Socrates

      Seriously, since 3-11, I immediately thought of the movie On the Beach, and what the worst csse scenario would be, along with the idea of voluntarily ending my own life.

      One look at Dr. Kavorkian's apperatus, a photo of which is posted on the internet for those eho might need it, brings great sorrow and strikes fear.

      For now, we all need to plan for the most life-affirming plan. Life itself is a struggle.

      I wish I could give you hope and reassurance but that would be baseless at best and dishonest at worst. We all need to make plans to cover any and all contingencies. Someof us ard old enough to die from other causes in all likelihood; but panic and despondency will not help. Keep your head, my friend. Hope for the best yet be prepared for the worst – anything might happen.


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  • RonM RonM

    I definitely think we should stop calling it"China Syndrome" and start calling it Japan Syndrome!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Ron, this is just the beginning and China will have many of its own syndromes in the future just like the rest of the world will have if we do not shut all these Nuclear Rattle Traps down now!

    The next one may be the United States Syndrome and on and on and on… :(


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  • tsfw tsfw

    I'm not in the least bit panicked, but I can't lie, it makes me very sad. I'm in Southern Mexico so getting to SA by car wouldn't be too difficult for us. There are worse things than dying – I would just like to die knowing that the world continues and my children get to play in it.


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