TV Host: He just said Fukushima blew its containment up after 3/11 — “It exploded people, it exploded — Let’s get our heads around this” (VIDEO)

Published: September 15th, 2012 at 1:59 am ET


Title: Japan at a Crossroad: Two Futures
Source: CCTV Ch. 17 Vermont
Date: Sept 13, 2012

Host Margaret Harrington speaks with Maggie and Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds Energy Education on Japan’s nuclear energy direction.

At 28:45 in

Arnie Gundersen, Chief Engineer Fairewinds Energy Education: …Fukushima Daiichi Unit 2… blew it’s containment up…

Host Margaret Harrington: Viewers, are we really listening. Am I opening my ears? Arnie Gundersen, Chief Engineer Fairewinds Energy Education, just said Fukushima blew its containment up. It exploded people. It exploded. Let’s get our heads around this…

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Published: September 15th, 2012 at 1:59 am ET


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61 comments to TV Host: He just said Fukushima blew its containment up after 3/11 — “It exploded people, it exploded — Let’s get our heads around this” (VIDEO)

  • Shammalammadingdong

    Note to Margaret Harrington. Quite a few people have wrapped their brains around this entire event. We wrapped our brains around it a long time ago.


    We were all screwed the second that power tripped off. Not speaking for "we" in terms of nationality or politics. "We". All of us. Even you.

    Welcome to reality.

    The only way to have any chance of fixing this is to order people to their deaths. Something a private company can't do. One or two of them would bankrupt the company. End of help.

    Only solution. Militarize the entirety of Japanese society. Take away all rights. Start ordering people to their deaths. Stop the continuing degradation. 40 years from now, apologize, but say that was the only thing that could be done.

    Otherwise, 40 years from now the alien anthropologists can sift through the rubble to find out what happened.


      @Shammalammadingdong: "The only way to have any chance of fixing this is to order people to their deaths. . . Militarize the entirety of Japanese society. Take away all rights."

      You're obviously having trouble with all of this. Of course, you may be suggesting the above as means of discrediting the anti-nuclear crowd and this site. There's no telling whose been sent to wreak havoc and discredit this site's participants.

      Then again, you could be dead serious! You may think you're the harsh light who will guide us through the smoke. In which case, I suggest you not abandon your leadership role until you've reached your final destination…

      • jec jec

        The Japanese people are facing such health damage. Its almost the same as "ordering", and taking away their rights…


          perhaps, jec, you're in need of a second cup of coffee. 'Sham' is proposing the use of martial law and forced labor as means of getting this under control. Even if we were so selfish a species as to feed each other into those three pits of death, we'd long before run out of sacrificial offerings. If no one's gotten the picture yet, the levels of radiation are so high, there is no means of surviving close exposure for any period of time.

          Putting such insane solutions aside, I don't confuse the ongoing 'negligence' of TEPGOV with the abrogation of human rights. Put simply: none should accept the use of this catastrophe as grounds for added suffering. At this juncture, some might feel it's necessary to abandon all pretense of civility, to save our species. When we accept such inhumanity as means of survival, we no longer have reason for living or any right to life…

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            *thumbs up to Aftershock

          • andagi andagi

            Dear Aftershock,
            Thank you for always streching the capacity of my 'inconceivable meter'! You have such great insight.
            'If no one's gotten the picture yet, the levels of radiation are so high, there is no means of surviving close exposure for any period of time.'
            We must all remember the many who are now finding courage, and support their challenging process of assimilating these very difficult truths into personal choices and decisions.
            Keep posting, reading and sharing ENENews! Effecting change, worldwide, 24/7. Thank you Admin 🙂

      • PavewayIII PavewayIII

        Whoa there, Aftershock. It sounds like Shama-whatever is just frustrated with TEPCO and the Fukushima situation. He/she can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if there's other posts by Shama that suggest otherwise – I'm just taking the post at face value because I'm new here.

        fa·ce·tious   [fuh-see-shuhs]
        1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.

        "…There's no telling whose been sent to wreak havoc and discredit this site's participants…"

        I know your comment is directed at Shama, but this makes me a bit paranoid. I'm being facetious in some of my posts in my weak attempt at humor. If 'this site's participants' are offended by my conversation style or suspicious of my motives, I'll disappear.


          @PavewayIII: the character of Sham's post speaks for itself. Are we to dismiss any-and-every scurrilous statement on the basis it's made in jest? So as not to waste valuable time in the defense of either of our statements, go back and re-read his/her opening post. If you think the seriousness of this ongoing catastrophe somehow justifies thoughtless statements (regardless how they're couched), then you – are – invited to find other venues for your 'entertainment'. If you're here to develop issues through constructive analysis, then you are more than welcome to join those who are attempting such. Keep in mind: our strength resides in being considerate of each other, those who draw upon it for knowledge, the site's administration and not least of all, victims (both current and future) of nuclear power technologies.

          Now I'll get off this box and welcome your response…

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Sham – It is already too late. Once the reactors, spent fuel pools, etc. started to explode and burn, the entire world was fucked. Get used to it.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Exactly..this is the reality of the matter..
        Two futures?
        No..only one..and it's looking bad.

      • johnnyo

        StPS, that is exactly what he said: "we were all screwed the decond that power tripped off".

        I sense something of a disconnect here. Maybe someone can help me understand. Ding-dong gets slammed-a-lamma for saying, go all martial law and send waves of people to their death in a last ditch hail mary attempt to……do something. OK, I get that it sounds barbaric and all, but haven't I heard grudingly good things said about the Soviets for basically doing the same thing?

        Is the difference because the communists already had the whole "no freedom/militarized society" already in place? Isn't there agreement here that Chernobyl would have been much worse had they used the TEPCO laissez faire method. I know they still have issues there and are needing to replace the sarcophagus. I also get that 1,2&3 are spewing so hot humans cannot safely approach, but that is what's implied by "sending to their death". We are all being sent there it seems. Can anything be done, at all?

        I am truly asking for some clarification, not in any way picking sides. However I would like to urge caution to all to try and stay civil. We all are under more stress daily. Constructive back and forth=good. Quick tempers, name calling and accusations of sabotaging this site(without voluminous evidence)=bad.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Thank you johnnyo , you are right , attack the message , not the messenger but didden't feel like arguing much today.


          The anti-nuclear movement is about more than ending nuclear power technologies within this biosphere. It’s also a healing movement; the healing of the environment and the human spirit. Entertaining the use of forced labor should be deemed equally unacceptable to those who honor the dream of life. Repeating the same predatory pathos of the past is an obvious dead end. It’s time we move the discussion of solutions into arenas that further our place in the universe…as opposed to lowering it anymore than it’s been…

    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Are you pointing at something like this? Russia took control of Chernobyl disaster. It ended up with the military ordering 1 million people in to clean up.. but then never measured any radiation exposure, never disclosed how much radiation these million casualties endured, and is still not talking about the truth of what REALLY happened.

      Chernobyl Coverup And Denial Of 1 Million + Casualties; via A Green Road

      The Chernobyl Sacrifice; 1 MILLION Liquidators; via A Green Road

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      "Militarize the entirety of Japanese society. Take away all rights."

      Sounds like a Japanese version of the American NDAA passed earlier this year.

      A lot of comments aghast at the very thought, yet that's exactly where the US is right now.


      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        DING DING DING! We have Winner TIS here.
        Thanks for pointing the similarity to NDAA. The U.S. police state is being put into place every day. Please people, understand this…it is just an example of why we have no effect in exercising our 1st Amendment rights. It's only getting worse.

        If we don't do something to reverse this totalitarian plutocracy, all hope of ending Nukes is empty.

  • razzz razzz

    What I found interesting in this interview, is that Arnie said TEPCO wants to start Units 5 & 6 back up for power generation at the Fukushima Daiichi site.

    Also he mentioned 'liquid sodium' style operations for nuke generation and how dangerous it is. The uninformed think it is the next best thing or next step in nuclear generation.

    Also, Arnie talks about plutonium used on space probes where a lump weighting a couple of pounds gives off its own heat without having to construct a reactor for it. Just build a heat-exchanger around it to transfer for power. Scary.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This journalist didnt watch the explosions I take it.

    'Japan at a Crossroad..Two Futures'.

  • Dogleg Dogleg

    How can number two building still be intact if the containment blew?

    • Maxxforce

      The containment lost its pressurized integrity. To be more accurate it blew a gasket. One of the downcomer seals between the drywell and the torus or one/all of the penetration seals to the turbine building failed. It was not like Unit 3 blast.

      • timebomb

        lol maxx checked it out… don't bother providing sources

        @dogleg containment vessel and containment building are different

    • razzz razzz

      Three different scenarios for the (3) reactor meltdowns. The buildings that house the reactors are themselves called 'secondary' containment. The buildings are suppose to trap small amounts of leaking gasses, not for containing large amounts of vented gasses. The tall standing towers are for major venting (they couldn't function at the time due to lack of operating power).

      The buildings were built to vent themselves when a high enough pressure is reached inside of them. The side panels are actually blowout panels, made to open under pressure. TEPCO defeated this by welding them shut except for Unit 2 hadn't been modified yet.

      So, Units 1 & 3 (and 4) held leaking gas pressures until they exploded. Unit 2 had a blow out panel open and allowed pressure to escape the building even though primary containment was/is lost in all (3) units, the Unit 2 building only appears intact, that doesn't mean it is in any better condition than Units 1 & 3 as far as releasing nuclear contamination.

      The Units 1,2,3 might be 'technically' in cold shut down but have no containment as compared to say, Units 5 & 6. Unit 4, the only containment is water inside the spent fuel pool.

  • Sickputer

    I think Arnie has had more effect on the Japanese government than we expected. They probably won't try to restrict his visits, but you can examine their recent strategy and see how they are going to counter nuclear critics.

    Mainly by pretending to be the good kindly sympathetic Big Brother looking out for the poor Japanese people.

    Big Brother: "We hear your protests and we will close the plants as soon as financially possible. In about 60 years. Go home and be happy, drink your sake and be a good citizen. Love Big Brother as we love you."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    By the looks at our doesn't seem Mr.Gundersen is promoting Enenews..that's for sure.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Could be he is not a masochist ? So sorry if i'm stepping on toes as a side effect H.O.T.R but i don't know of any other way of saying atm. Why would he advertise opinions wherein he is made suspicious for not being more like KevindBlanch , wich he is not , and KevindBlanch gets rejected for not being like Arnie ? In the face of armageddon ?
      Humanly understandebly or not , we are not exactly drowning in infinite oceans of time and choices or something . imho
      We should be on the lookout for more "deserters" like Jacko , would be awesome if he broke 100% free and posted here some of his "memories " uncensored .

      • timebomb

        Yes Gundersen, shame on you for making it be the weekend, and summertime! And for there being only 1 new story posted here today. Its all your fault Arnie!

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Trust me, it's the quality of viewer that counts. Far more than you know.

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Quote T.I.S : "Trust me, it's the quality of viewer that counts. Far more than you know."

        If this is directed at me can you expand a litle pls , just to make sure there are no misinterpretations ?

        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          I was responding to HOTR. Although, clearly, as a regular commenter you are part of the quality here.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Thank you + for the answer TIS , and sry i got confused to ask , but i think you are right , ENEnews-ers place is a very interesting dynamic in its own way 😉

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      @ Heart of the Rose. Why would Arnie be responsible for what happens on enenews. That's a rather odd case for laying blame at someone else's feet.

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      @ Heart of the Rose – is this quote from Arnie posted in another article today on enenews somehow not strong and direct enough for you? Somehow he is failing enenews? Please clarify your campaign against this man. I'd appreciate it.

      "some observers, however, were quick to hit the panic button. One of the best known was U.S. antinuclear campaigner Arnie Gundersen, who predicted that the disaster would lead to 1 million extra deaths from cancer.


      Gundersen, a nuclear engineer, says [the official release amount is] an underestimate. He puts the release of cesium at about half that of Chernobyl, and says little attention has been paid to radioactive gases, Xenon and Krypton, which poured out of the No. 1 plant in quantities “two to three times” greater than the 1986 Ukraine meltdown. He is sticking to his original alarming estimate of cancer fatalities."


      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Like I said …truce…I just want to know how long the"mild message" is going to take.
        Sorry..the SOS is ringing in my ears again.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..Yaya..he doesn't have to..we are all just here 'shooting the breeze'.

    • Sickputer

      Yep, when the Japanese appoint a gaijin (Dale Klein, former head of the American NRC) to be one of the top three Nuclear Policy Reform committee members, then you have just been reminded of how the cow eats the cabbage in Japan.

      But what did you expect? Some kind of compassion or a spark of humanity for the future of the human race?

      C'mon now.. Japan is still an occupied country with 91 Japanese US bases and another 300,000 navy troops "protecting" US interests.

      When Uncle Sam sends in instructions, the Diet jumps to its bidding. The sophistication of this arrangement would make Stalin smile in his grave over the cleverness and open domination of the populations under the guise of democracy.

      Sorry to be so pessimistic, but it is what it is. Even a blind man knows when he has been screwed by the government, but can't do anything about it.

      • timebomb

        @Heart of the Rose: You appear to know a lot about shooting the breeze. Fyi, some of us are actually doing something… why are you here? why don't you take your negativity elsewhere?


        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          This comment is sarcasm.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            And ..yes..i feel. pretty useless today.
            Despite bringing in some great visual analysis.
            And ..yes..I feel like..I am waiting..for the experts to come of their right minds.
            Twittling my thumbs..
            Yes..I feel bad.

        • Sickputer

          I was replying to your Youtube link earlier and my phone ate it. I'll try again.

          Ryan was very articulate, shed some first person light on the Tokyo protests. Hate to say it, but he might be more effective wearing a charcoal double canister respirator. Perhaps full face mask. We heard Hosono had that gear when he went to Daiichi (better face and lung protection than most of the workers).

          Also…sorry to be a little picky about the actual videography process…Couldn't one of the many thousands of protesters hold his video device instead of himself? Just suggestions, he is a brave man to stay even in Tokyo in my opinion, especially a young man who would probably like to at least live as long as Sickputer. 😉

          If Ryan was older he would know like me the visual impact of gasmasks on reporters. 20 years ago I watched the CNN coverage of Israel being attacked by Scud missiles from Iraq. Very powerful television years before the World Wide Web. Night after night we were glued to our TVs.

          Unfortunate that we were denied such reporting from Fukushima. We actually did have it for a week before the American nucleocrats placed a blackout on all coverage.

          In a word… Shameful.

          20 years ago we helped Israel fight an aggressor. In March of 2011 we failed to help protect our own citizens. Tragic betrayal of all Americans. I hope one day we can expose those actions to the blind 99% in America.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    In the past ..I bemoaned the day that the'approved opposition'..would fully supplant..I'll just opinion.
    I joked about someone coming and puttin me out of my misery.
    LOL…I live on.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


  • kalidances

    Either support Arnie or reject him but don't act like everyone doesn't know that he's terrified of the Yakuza in Japan and Obama here at home.
    For all the people that demand be a warrior all the damn time: why not you? Why haven't you chained yourselves to the front gates at nuke sites to assert your values? It's because you are afraid of getting arrested, or fired, or having someone enact revenge on you through you or your family or your friends.

    People constantly come on here saying that no one believes them yet watches people continue to die over this mass coverup situation. Then they STILL keep wondering why Arnie won't fall on his sword for them. Why should he do for you and your families what you won't do for him and his family?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    He doesn't have to fall on his sword.
    But why deny impatience?

    There have been no evacuations.

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      @ Heart of the Rose – i don't understand your anger at Arnie Gundersen. He is one of the most vocal outspoken nuclear energy educators to take up the cause of getting the message out about Fukushima. He is a whistleblower, a dissenter, has taken great personal risks, and has given over a good chunk of his life unpaid in many circumstances to try and bring attention to this crisis worldwide. Your constantly running him down truly puzzles me. Why try and marginalize one of the most effective speakers and activists that mainstream folks can relate to and understand?

      • timebomb

        All her posts are either about herself or her disparaging others. Very self-centered person. Just go through all the past posts. It's enough… we get it. Move on.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          When one's opinion is rather is easy to come off as self centered.
          But to offer remedial I retire all futher comments to the webcam thread.
          And will remain on topic.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Shamma is getting some heat.

    The initial concept is solid, but the workforce is wrong. The japanese citizens are cattle and sheep nothing more, and nothing less, not unlike all those that live inside and pay taxes here in the USA.

    The work force should be anyone currently working in any area of Nuclear Energy. Plant managers, employees, scientists, educators, professors, uranium mine workers, military promoters working in areas handling nuclear technology weapons and then finally the stock holders.

    The world population did not ask for this Nuclear Energy and/or this Nuclear Technology that is now spreading around the globe like a plague, it was all shoved down our throats and then up other places, where the Sun does not shine.

    Hold those human's promoting and working and then profiting from this Nuclear Technology responsible, and then watch these Nuclear Power Plants and this technology shudder all over the world.

  • arclight arclight

    Japan’s radiation standards relaxed following lobbying by nuclear power companies

    "…Fukushima Nuclear Disaster – Public Health Lessons and Challenges
    “Federation of Electric Power Companies of Japan has successfully lobbied radiation specialists including ICRP members and the Nuclear Safety Commission to relax radiation standards.”

    FEPC has covered travel costs for ICRP members
    to attend international conferences through the
    Radiation Effects Association….

    The health risks posed by radiation are not
    limited to cancer.
    There is risk of cancer even at levels less than 100mSv.
    There is both theoretical and epidemiological evidence
    for this.
    The risk is purported to be an unknown. Is this to maintain
    the power of MEXT, METI, and the utilities in order to
    promote nuclear power?…"

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks


    Cattle and Sheep are created solely by governments, which have been given the sovereign power to write the enforcement laws along with the responsibility of enforcing those same laws written.

    When you then give that same government the ability to tax the citizens for any type of and/or form of government expenditures caused and or created by that same government, the citizen then becomes a wholly owned slave of the government corporation created, nothing more and nothing less.

    The corporations you mention are only the stock holders of such created government entities and collective enterprises. The US government is a corporation and now the king pin for all the others.

    Yes, they do work hand in hand with the goal of controlling all of our enslaved cattle and sheep lives.