TV: Huge number of sea creatures washing up dead along West Coast — “It’s a crisis all along Southern California… large numbers getting sick and dying” (VIDEO)

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KGTV, Jun 6, 2017: Dead dolphin mystery explained by Scripps Insitution of Oceanography — Dead dolphins are washing ashore in the South Bay, and lifeguards believe algae is killing them. The first dead dolphin was discovered Sunday night at the foot of Elkwood Ave. in Imperial Beach, according to the San Diego Sheriff’s Department. Deputies found two more on Tuesday.[Clarissa Anderson of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at U.C. San Diego] told 10News she does not see a connection between the current bloom and February’s massive sewage spill in the Tijuana River basin because the bloom is more widespread.

KGTV transcript, Jun 6, 2017: Now to a developing story — large numbers of sea animals getting sick and dying off our coast… But we’re not alone, it’s a crisis all along the Southern California coast… Stranded dolphins have washed ashore… Clarissa Anderson of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at U.C. San Diego: “The numbers of sea lion strandings we have seen is pretty extreme and a huge number, of not only animals, but a wide variety of species of marine birds have stranded… a lot of deaths… The reality is it is happening all over Southern California simultaneously.”

Coronado Times, Jun 10, 2017: Residents of Imperial Beach and Coronado say they have seen a spike in deceased marine life on local beaches… “I am not a marine biologist, but I have certainly observed an uptick in deceased marine animals,” says Coronado Cays resident and surfer Daron Case. “The timing coincides with the sewage spill.” There have been reports of pelicans, sea lions, and dolphins, and fish washed up on the shore line and floating lifelessly in the water.

See also: Alarming mass die-off on California beaches — “Extremely high” number of sick and dead animals — Seabirds, sea lions, dolphins affected — Experts: Never seen this many sick birds — “How many have to die before somebody cares?” (VIDEOS)

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  • ENENEWS Battered Into Oblivion by Relentless Nuclear Cartel Internet Troll Droppings

    It is summer in Wisconsin, it is short and cannot be wasted. Time cannot be wasted, it is too precious. As such I am withdrawing from future participation at ENENEWS, it appears to be a captured site, and a waste of time.

    Aloha!
    stock out

    An article using recent discussions defining the "captured ENENEWS site" and troll habits is here:

    https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2017/06/enenews-battered-into-oblivion-by.html

    —————————————————————————————————–

    stock here. It is useless to spend time on something which has a systemic problem that degrades one's efforts by 90%, ESPECIALLY when those problems can be readily and effectively enough, solved. The systemic problem is the consistent and relentless attacks by trolls whose only purpose is to degrade the site.

    Admin refuses to ban these trolls (in a timely manner). Sure they can get a new IP address, which is the most likely way to ban someone, but their "identity" and habits are impossible to hide for long, so with a new Moniker and new IP, they would be quickly identified and re-banned.

    • The quality of the discourse would increase dramatically. Other news sources would point at ENENEWS as a method of waking people up to the real problems that we face. But with the "new owners" or the "captured admin", that is not to be.

      So the question is, why is it like this? With tens of thousands of readers, if the site were "taken down" by the "new owners", there would be an outrage of "conspiracy" and not just that, but a new similar site would be set up by someone else.

      So a better strategy for the nuclear cartel? Leave the site up and allow trolls to infect it, disgusting newcomers when they see tons of profanity, supposed alcoholics, drugs, flat earthers, and mandela trash. Make it irrelevant without creating outrage AND a new similar site.

      With a $2B annual budget, the nuclear cartel protects it's gravy train of $400B per year.

      Who is to say they didn't offer the former site owner, $200,000 to hand over ownership of the site?
      In the past, admin has been slow to ban, but in the past, the trolls we jousted actually had a somewhat beneficial effect to the site, with many new readers and MANY new active participants.

      That is not the case with the new set of trolls, which just degrade the site, diluting it with so much almost sociopathic non-sense, and disgusting over the top unnecessary profanity.

    • 😐

      "Admin refuses to ban these trolls (in a timely manner)."
      – Stock

      Agree 100%

      Through the years there have been many with great information, comments and links, but with each 'wave' of disruptive nonsensical forum subversives, a very large number 'real' contributing users have mostly left.

      IMHO: If there are 'Submit Comment' rules, but no consequences, then obviously, there are no rules.
      The disruptive nonsensical forum subversives know this. 😡

  • I am making an article showing the techniques and actual quotes of the troll, like this one. He has multiple postings depicting killing, blowing things up, terrorist type activity, inplying he is part of a muslim organization, threatening.

    Even amongst the somewhat useful or amusing postings, is this acceptable?

    SadieDog
    June 15, 2017 at 7:07 pm · Reply

    Ymyo?

    Report comment

    Farthington MacMananus
    June 15, 2017 at 7:09 pm · Reply

    Dunno what that is. I'm go bomb shit instead.

  • So here is the article on the troll who uses Fart as the beginning of his name, and Man Anus at the end.

    It's a collection of his comments. Read through to have a better understanding of who you are reacting to, and what this site looks like.

    This is likely my last post, I will miss a bunch of y'all, even Sadie, LOL.

    Good luck, and God Speed (what the heck does that mean anyway, LOL)

    https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2017/06/techniques-and-sample-posts-from-modern.html

  • One last one. Any of you who want to get a hold of me directly, my email is

    stock@hawaii.rr.com

    That will be good for 7 or 8 months, then I am shutting down all Hawaii operations and will have to give up that really cool email addy.

    stock out

  • SadieDog

    "A federal judge ruled in favor of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe on Wednesday, handing the tribe its first legal victory in its year-long battle against the Dakota Access pipeline.

    James Boasberg, who sits on D.C. district court, said that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to perform an adequate study of the pipeline’s environmental consequences when it first approved its construction. In a 91-page decision, the judge cited the Corps’ study of “the impacts of an oil spill on fishing rights, hunting rights, or environmental justice” as particularly deficient, and he ordered it to prepare a new report on its risks."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/06/dakota-access-standing-rock-sioux-victory-court/530427/

  • Cooter

    This will be my last post ever.

    For 5 years I enjoyed those here who took their posting seriously and with elegance. I learned a lot and in the end I learned that Trolls and Shills do exist and that ENE admin. has taken a backseat to the nonsense presented here by the likes of Fart-thing-tongue Anus.

    These are the final days of this web-site and I wish you, non trolls, well. Though you may loose a few battles, the war is not over as I will continue to fight for the right to live on planet Earth without nuclear.

    Thank you Sickputter for these words long ago that inspired me to see through the weeds "these are but mere pixels of light"

    coot out

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh, risk perception, hey.
    That is someone else telling you how one should perceive the risk.
    Think they would mind ..BACKING THE UP?
    Until full brain washing has occurred ..I think Humans are perfectly capable to perceive their own levels of risk?
    What's a matter..the 'programming' not working?
    A tough sell is it?
    Hard to convincve people all is well.
    When they themselves know they were dosed and getting dosed???

    Researchers at Kyoto University Release New Data on Risk Management (Risk Perception and Risk Talk: The Case of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear…

    June 16 2017

    https://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/researchers-at-kyoto-university-release-new-data-on-risk-management-risk-perception-and-risk-talk-the-case-of-the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear
    Plenty of money to assess 'risk management'.. yet the PROBLEM GOES UNSOLVED.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Plenty to look forward to…

      http://www.ncf-net.org/radiation/LoganovskyLowDoseIonizingRadiationBrain.pdf

      …Recently, important experimental radioneuroembryological research on nonhuman models of schizophrenia has also supported the hypothesis that prenatal exposure of brain tissue to ionizing (X-ray) radiation may be associated with an increased risk of schizophrenia later in life, making schizophrenia a neurodegenerative and, probably, a neurodevelopmental disease (Korr, Thorsten Rohde, Benders, Dafotakis, Grolms, & Schmitz, 2001; Gelowitz, Rakic, Goldman-Rakic, & Selemon, 2002; Schindler, Wang, Selemon, Goldman-Rakic, Rakic, & Csernansky, 2002; Schmitz, Born, Dolezel, Rutten, de Saint-Georges, Hof, & Korr, 2005; Selemon, Wang, Nebel, Csernansky, Goldman-Rakic, & Rakic, 2005) .

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Wait a minute, are you saying that my schizoaffective nature could to some degree be explained by societal, governmental, military, industrial, delegative abuse?

        That's okay I guess, I haven't met many interesting people who weren't entirely fucked up, anyway.

        It's so confusing, I just can't figure out when people talk shit.

        http://imgur.com/a/FBDay

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      Rose, back in the day, it was first called Hazard Assessment. Corp. lawyers didn't like the word hazard; it's a tacit admission there's a problem. Risk management so much more comforting, sounds like there's someone smart watching out for us, if we get hurt it's just an outlier event. Really it's putting a value on human life & rolling the dice. Cost versus benefit. If our meltdown IS PROVEN to kill 100,000 people, and we have the budget to settle those claims & still make a profit, well…
      The starting fallacy is putting a dollar amount on human life.
      Risk Perception is the next evolution in scummy wordcraft. The word Perception implies those at risk are unscientific tin foil hat types. Phrases like fear of radiation is more damaging than radiation; radiophobia, etc.
      All just words-on-paper as a weapon weilded by sub human corps.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What's next ..the little 'sunfish' robot.
    To take a little peeky-poo?
    Then what?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    In the beginning, Admin would step in with a comment now and then. Now, admin just post the articles mostly and stays out of it. A stern hand now and then with a comment like, "you cuss too much" or "your point?" would even help. Like, get with the program or you are out! But back of the bus chatter getting out of hand. A little loose is good, but after a while, the bus seems to be parked, the driver gone, and the big kids went home. Bo, Stock, etc, gone…. the tires are flat, the wheels are rusted. I miss it being a better learning experience. The articles are still good, but the off-topic nuclear lacks organization so everyone gives up on it, and just puts everything on the latest topic.

    Still it could be worse, look at what Wheepingwillow does on you tube: A place where if you don't agree with her "article" she deletes your comment. A place where admin gets truly insane and says an earthquake or tsunami did not cause the problems but rather EMP destroys Fuku.

    At least our bus driver is sane, and still has the keys to the bus in an old sock drawer. At least admin is not totalitarian.

    Check out the fruits of a heavy hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOPsVDH0PjQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFhjz38VpWmvY0urRnSb4dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YsOrGMfszE

  • How far have they fallen?

    Those are the Labuschagnes for you. They are always embracing, always in good humor and good spirits, and always showing kindness to everybody—even to a relative stranger like me who was befriended by them not so many years ago but nevertheless felt lavished by their affection in a manner that would be impossible to capture in mere words. Legends are beyond language; legends are also forever.

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/29/150967.html

  • Checkmate

    A friend of mine took his family fishing in Hawaii about a week ago on a private fishing boat and he said that they did not even get one bite at all day long.

    The Pacific is dead!!!

    Thanks to the intelligent Japanese, Toshiba, Westinghouse, General Electric and to all the nuclear folks that are killing everything in the world. The problem is they are putting nuke plants in the wrong places (on earthquake zones)- they should really place them on top of volcanoes because the land is cheaper there. Have they ever thought of that??? Oh wait, I better be quiet on that- wouldn't want to give them any more ideas.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Hungry sea's create hungry forests.

    Fukushima NEWS; 2017 Pacific spring SALMON SEASON ENDS:: EPIC ACUTE Collapse, 急性虚脱,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-0GwWRfBw

    We are all waiting for the fall…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Everybody knows, somethings wrong…

    4-Reel Fishin’

    The other day I was talkin’ fishin’ with one of my good friends, Darwin Dick. Darwin was telling me that he went to the coast to go get some Abalone. While he was walking down the trail to his favorite spot another person told him that he wasn’t going to need his wet suit. The Abalone are right on the shore.

    The shore?

    Sure enough, they were just out of the water. Darwin told me that there were nice size Abalones everywhere. Weird, huh?

    Here is the kicker.

    When darwin opened up a shell, the meat was very small. Darwin said he thinks that the Abalone are starving to death. They have moved up into the shallow water looking for food. He also said that there are purple sea urchins everywhere. No red urchins, no starfish? Things are definitely out of balance.

    Our conversation has really got me thinking.. So I did some snooping around. This is what I found out.

    http://www.willitsnews.com/article/NR/20170615/SPORTS/170619971

  • Jebus Jebus

    Well, almost everybody…

    Massive Bloom Of Pickle-Shaped Sea Creatures Fills The Pacific

    Millions of tubular sea creatures called pyrosomes have taken over the Pacific Ocean in an unprecedented bloom that has scientists baffled.

    These bumpy, translucent organisms look like sea cucumbers that range in size from six inches to more than two feet long. But they’re actually made up of hundreds of tiny animals knit together with tissue into a filter-feeding cylinder.

    And they’re everywhere, filling the waters off the West Coast all the way up to Alaska, and washing up on beaches.

    One research boat caught 60,000 of them in five minutes. They’re so thick in Alaska that fishermen gave up on fishing because their hooks were coming up full of pyrosomes instead of salmon.

    http://kuow.org/post/massive-bloom-pickle-shaped-sea-creatures-fills-pacific

  • Jebus Jebus

    I can never remember, is it white or red wine with pyrosomes?

  • Jebus Jebus

    Kinda coming back to bite 'em calling it fission…

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Here? It's not about you. Too bad.

    The articles speak volumes.

    Point blank.

    People talk. BS walks.

    "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

    And where will you go when the other shoe drops?

    Well, you're already here, aren't you?

    Unprecedented algae in standing water… ponds, pools…oceans…

    "We are wasting our water mostly by putting waste into it. One cubic meter of wastewater can pollute ten cubic meters of water. Discharging wastewater into oceans turns freshwater into the less useful salty stuff, and desalination is expensive." Rose George

    Expensive?… Yes, priceless.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Selected radionuclides and heavy metals in skeletons of birds of prey from eastern Poland

    Received: 19 March 2009/Published online: 12 June 2009

    http://www.academia.edu/33421089/Selected_radionuclides_and_heavy_metals_in_skeletons_of_birds_of_prey_from_eastern_Poland

  • Jebus Jebus

    Doesn't matter how anymore.

    It is GMI

    MASSIVE Fish Kill

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hsWSYnDPw

    Probably CGI…

  • SadieDog

    "Health officials still don't know what causes a mysterious polio-like illness that hospitalized nearly 130 children in a year.
    After an outbreak of a rare virus called acute flaccid myelitis (AFM) last year, medical experts are no closer to understanding the sickness than when it was discovered in 2014.
    With around 130 cases reported last year, the CDC still does not know what causes the sickness, how it progresses or even who is most at risk for contracting it.
    The syndrome affects the spinal cord and is caused by a fever which can lead to paralysis and children being hospitalized for months."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4612142/Experts-don-t-know-polio-like-illness.html

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      I think Jonas Salk once admitted the polio vaccine caused more polio than it cured. The they changed the name of the disease to cover it. Man is still in the dark ages, in some ways, more than ever

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Just like Henrietta Lacks satisfied the urge of some mad scientist looking for a cancer line that would grow forever so they could study it and put an end to cancer.

        After the wise tradition of burying the dead was well ingrained as was the tradition of not building below the tsunami height markers from a thousand years in history.

        Why don't we just stop wasting our time writing books.

        Change the tradition to leap before you look again. Think wrong – think long

        Benedict? hell I broke mine

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          test…can never post on ENE, tired of it…

          probably most people know about cancer and the simian virus-40 in vaccines.

          Center for Disease Control admits 98 million Americans were given cancer virus via the polio shot

          http://www.vaccines.news/2015-09-23-cdc-admits-98-million-americans-were-given-cancer-virus-via-the-polio-shot.html

          yawn…more pedo.philia and best.iality in our institutions of authority; k!ll em, then fvck em, its the human mantra I guess.
          An official from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was arrested for allegedly molesting a child and bes.tiality

          http://abcnews.go.com/US/cdc-official-charged-child-molestation-bestiality/story?id=14713259

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Can never post… I know what you mean. You hit "submit" and get a spinning wheel forever.

            I just open a new window, go to Enenews, and close the first window.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO8T-tvtjvQ

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            In their defense, they knew not what they were doing. Can't make money if you do nothing. If they get distracted for a while with child molestation, it may be for the greater good.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Code, the Simian virus was in the third dose of the polio sugar cube series, too.

            On the day they gave out the third dose at my school, I was home sick with a bad cold.

            What timing.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Dodged a bullet. I think.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                You probably know all about this:

                http://www.naturalnews.com/032854_SV40_polio_vaccines.html

                "By 1960, Horwin notes, the Salk injectable polio vaccine had been given to about 98 million American children and adults, while Sabin's oral version had been given to about 10,000 Americans and tens of millions of Soviet citizens, where trials had been conducted. "It was estimated that 10% to 30% of the vaccines contained live SV40," he wrote, noting that despite the link discovered by Dr. Eddy, no federal agency and no new federal rules that regulated the manufacture, sale and distribution of vaccines required makers of the polio vaccine to "discard their SV40-contaminated poliovirus seeds which were the source for all subsequent polio vaccines."

                Subsequent federal testing of the vaccines, which occurred in the mid-1960s, were also inadequate, Horwin notes, because 'the fourteen-day SV40 tests were not long enough to detect the virus.' Yet in the years afterward, the incidence of pediatric cancer increased.

                'Indeed, the pediatric cancer rate continued to climb through the 1960's, 70's, 80's and 90's,' he wrote."

                That claim is backed by other research as well.

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  More:

                  Real Cases – Real Conclusions

                  "In a July 15, 2001 report, the San Francisco Chronicle published a story detailing an increased concern among researchers that the SV40 virus found in those early polio vaccines was indeed responsible for higher cancer rates.

                  'For four decades, government officials have insisted that there is no evidence the simian virus called SV40 is harmful to humans. But in recent years, dozens of scientific studies have found the virus in a steadily increasing number of rare brain, bone and lung-related tumors – the same malignant cancer SV40 causes in lab animals,' the report said. 'Even more troubling, the virus has been detected in tumors removed from people never inoculated with the contaminated vaccine, leading some to worry that those infected by the vaccine might be spreading SV40.'

                  Dr. Michele Carbone of Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill., told the paper he believed the virus was carcinogenic in humans."

          • DUDe DUDe

            "..Center for Disease Control admits 98 million Americans were given cancer virus via the polio shot.."

            And still..no serious blowback..

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Most are probably all gone by now..tough to give any blow back when one is dead and in the ground. 🙁

              Scratching your way out only works in the movies..

              • DUDe DUDe

                "..Scratching your way out only works in the movies.."

                Unfortunately obe..you are right. 🙁

                • DUDe DUDe

                  Climate feedback runaway chain-reaction untouchable now , Inequality and Evil in government idem ditto..lethargy in the dumbed down public idem ditto..Pollution idem ditto..Nuclear pollution most definitely consider its lifespan as a murderer..
                  So many more clusterfucks that cant be reversed fast enough..

                  Its over..we are burning up..time to act was 50 years ago on all fronts..but we were so high after the world-wars..on material progress..

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Correct! 🙂 Exactly!

                    Santa would have been very pissed though..

                    "Its over..we are burning up..time to act was 50 years ago on all fronts..but we were so high after the world-wars..on material progress.."

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              And now the virus is being found in people with cancers who never given the vaccine. See post above.

              And still no blow-back.

              • DUDe DUDe

                "..'Even more troubling, the virus has been detected in tumors removed from people never inoculated with the contaminated vaccine, leading some to worry that those infected by the vaccine might be spreading SV40.' "

                Vaccinate a child..cull a family..

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Chuckles! 🙂

                  "Vaccinate a child..cull a family.."

                  • DUDe DUDe

                    Many culling programs at the same time going on actually..systematic GMO degrading of nutritious value of food , mandatory vaccinations with deadly substances , destroying the biological functionality of all water , always shortcutting on safety , a war on the right to protest against all that etc 🙁

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      Sadie, this 'polio-like' illness sounds a lot like what happened to some of the sailors from the Reagan after their horrendously high rad doses-wheelchairs! And what happened to my wife at week 5 of her 10 week down -spiral. Wheelchair. Don't think 'normal' lung cancer takes away use of your legs. R.A.I.D.S. does.
      They call it a 'sickness', but no mention of virus or bacteria. No photo of a super smart cluster fuck specialist in a white lab coat staring diligently into a microscope; scanning the microsphere for 'da culprit'!
      It's how they found poison algae as the 'cause, not correlation' of the marine life die offs.
      In this polio like thingy, they went straight to BAMboozled !
      It's neuro damage from rads, my body knows it cuz it almost got me. I got other radio-neurogical issues from our Fukushima meal, but that's a story for another time…

      • danger kitty danger kitty

        RAIDS→ The upside is→ it's not contagious!
        Downside is→ everybody has it now, to a greater or lesser degree. And the party​ is just getting started…
        The sailors from the Reagan, my wife & myself, and many others, are your advance scouts…

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Fukushima meal..excellent! 🙂

        Dinner has been served to the entire world and the leftovers will never go away.. 🙁

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          Yep, it's all you can excrete…& then some!

          Medical Disclaimer:
          Your results may vary. Some excrete more than others. You folks know who you are.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Let's put dead sea life on our money, not dead presidents

  • laconic93 laconic93

    https://www.navytimes.com/articles/stricken-destroyer-fitzgerald-returns-home-7-sailors-still-missing

    One down 20 to go.
    When is the last time you heard of a Navy Warship colliding with a ship 4 times its size ?????
    And yes the USS Fitzgerald was one of the ships that was radiated during the Fukushima disaster.

  • Sol Man

    We have driven past several reservoirs, lakes, and streams over the past few weeks while we were out doing errands, going to doctor appointments, and have seen very, very few birds, most often none at all. We are in CO, smack dab in the middle of the great Rocky Mountain Flyway for these beautiful creatures.

    Prior to the disaster we would drive to one of our favorite lakes and, on the north end of it, we would see a few dozen to maybe three dozen different types of birds all enjoying their own lives in that one place. We haven't seen this now for years.

    Good luck and love most all. That is the reason we are here.

  • Sol Man

    A bright moment when we drove past a small lake on the north side of Berthoud= there was a small group (8-10) Pelicans there. The Pelican has the largest wingspan of any bird in the book, I believe. They, are beautiful to see gliding in for their splashdown.

    By the way, no love whatsoever, for any that would harm the children or betray our nation.

  • Jebus Jebus

    You know, if we all had feathers sticking together we wouldn't need sunscreen applying a smokescreen to cover for dropping pieces of the burning sun into our Ocean…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfaPzuS9WqQ

  • laconic93 laconic93

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/traumatic-collision-that-killed-sailors-almost-sank-destroyer-navy-says/2017/06/18/74e99d20-53ed-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html?utm_term=.e920e681f6ff

    Traumatic’ collision that killed sailors almost sank destroyer, Navy says

    How much do you want to bet they scrap or scuttle the entire ship Flawcette?

  • rogerthat

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/hanford/article156705864.html

    World’s largest radioactive waste melter assembled at Hanford
    BY ANNETTE CARY
    acary@tricityherald.com

    this is how the story ends lol:

    … The plant, which is expected to cost more than $17 billion, also will have a second facility to glassify the portion of the tank waste that is high-level radioactive waste.

    Technical issues have delayed work on parts of the plant that will handle high-level radioactive waste, but the plant is expected to be fully operational to meet a court-enforced deadline in 2036.

    Annette Cary: 509-582-1533, @HanfordNews

    Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/hanford/article156705864.html#storylink=cpy

  • rogerthat

    http://www.theecologist.org/

    How the South Australians who dumped a nuclear dump may soon have another fight on their hands
    15th June, 2017
    The rejection of a plan to import vast amounts of high-level nuclear waste from around the world for profit was a significant result for campaigners but that threat is still far from over, writes JIM GREEN

  • rogerthat

    http://nuclearactive.org/

    Recognizing the enduring harms to those exposed to nuclear weapon testing and use and the consequent long-term environmental damage and destruction, many are urging that those provisions be strengthened in the draft Nuclear Weapon Ban Treaty. New papers by the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom http://wilpf.org/, Reaching Critical Will http://reachingcriticalwill.org/, the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons http://www.icanw.org/; and the International Human Rights Clinic at Harvard Law School and Article 36 http://www.article36.org/nuclear-weapons/va-er-harvard-papers/ document the harm and urge the more than 130 countries, or states parties, negotiating the treaty to broaden the assistance to those exposed to radiation and to reduce the harm from contaminated areas by providing guidelines for environmental remediation. The second session of United Nations treaty negotiations began on Thursday, June 15th and is expected to conclude on Friday, July 7th in New York City.

    The suggestions are based on provisions found in existing weapon ban treaties, including the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Further, the 1996 International Court of Justice advisory opinion concluded the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons is generally contrary to international law. …

  • rogerthat

    http://michelekearneynuclearwire.blogspot.com.au/

    DOE Releases Draft Request for Proposal for the Low-Level Waste / Mixed Low-Level Waste Disposal Procurement
    June 15, 2017

  • rogerthat

    this looks like something from the bullshit baffles brains department:

    https://fukushimainform.ca/2017/06/15/what-is-the-optimum-level-of-ionizing-radiation-exposure-for-life/

    WHAT IS THE OPTIMUM LEVEL OF IONIZING RADIATION EXPOSURE FOR LIFE?
    JUNE 15, 2017 FUKUSHIMAINFORM LEAVE A COMMENT
    By Jay T. Cullen

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      I'm not in the mood to read this yet.
      Might I suggest to the author.
      "Get you some!"

    • Down The River Down The River

      He lost me in the first paragraph with this sentence “Life emerged on our planet billions of years ago when levels of environmental radioactivity were about 5-fold higher than they are today.”

      I hate it when someone’s theory is stated as fact. We do not know what was going on billions of years ago. It’s all just theory.

      And the conclusion of the article: “The authors thought that S. oneidensis responded to the lack of ionizing radiation as an environmental stress and mounted a classic stress-response to the reduction of natural levels of environmental radiation allowing it to grow at its maximum rate. In contrast, D. radiodurans did not sense this stress, did not mount a stress response, and was therefore limited in its ability to grow (was less fit).”

      Of course that what you “thought”, that is what you were trying to prove with your little experiment.

      Then again, Mr. Cullen is a Woods Hole scientist.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        “Life emerged on our planet billions of years ago when levels of environmental radioactivity were about 5-fold higher than they are today.”

        This statement is likely based on the potassium radioactivity. It is most likely true, not just hypothetical.
        The rest is a shot in the dark speculation

        This goes to the core of the nuclear argument that all ionizing radiation is more or less the same. But life was always radioactive yet flourishing until 'man made radiation' came along and created dead zones, genetic instability, mental retardation, cancer and profit

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          Jay's experiment is all sciencey & dazzely, but it's just distractive fluff. No practcal light is shed on the level of radiation that causes immense harm to human biology.
          Keep your eye on the flying rocks, not the pea under the shill.
          Code, I love your translations of Frank's bafflegab. Thank dog you speak jive! Saves ever so much time…
          Love to stay & chat, y,'all, but today is mainly non-digital.
          Gonna plant more trees. One's an Afrocarpus gracilor. For Frank. Need to block a view of a big, ugly electric transmission tower.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      In the first place, human history is only 6,000 years old and life expectancy for humans was 40 years. So what is Cullen's definition of "life"? And what is his definition of flourishing?

      There is no safe threshold for any type of radiation.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        did someone wonder who PJ is? This is PJ. Anne, weve been through it countless times. You were wrong then, youre wrong now. I proved it with exhaustive links…I dont feel like doing it again. The cellular physiology had potassium since the beginning. It is ESSENTIAL….please make a note of it. And we know what the decay rate of K-40 is, so you can backtrack and get an accurate radiation dose at the beginning of life on earth.

        Flourishing means everything was as healthy as it could be, as healthy as its ever been, with countless generations showing no genetic instability, no dead zones, no deformities, very little cancer. All of this has been gone over and over and over.

        Whether you think natural radiation dose is healthy or unhealthy is not really material because everything has always been radioactive. If you could take all your radioactive isotopes, it would be an experiment to see if your hubris was justified. This is the equation; NATURE vs PJ. I know which side Im choosing…

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Ad hominem attack is not a rational discussion of science or logical thought processes.

          Trump uses ad hominem attacks constantly.

          Ad hominem attacks are an indication that the nuclear industry and its proponents are filled with desperation. Supporting a killing industry just brings about more death.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar
          February 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm
          To talk about the amount of potassium and the amount of radioactive potassium in the ocean are two different figures because almost all of potassium is non-radioactive. There are not 70,000Bq/m^3 of radioactivity in the ocean due to potassium, but rather 12,000 Bq/m^3. Bq is a measure of radioactivity.

          Although we can talk about some difference between Cs-137 and K-40, it is just that Cs is 10,000,000 times more radioactive than K-40. Cs-137 can't be compared to K-40 because it behaves much differently in the body than K-40. Eiichiro Ochiai spends 12 pages explaining the differences of the two isotopes and how they behave in the body. For example, K-40 is evenly distributed into every cell of the body and the cells have mechanisms to deal with that tiny amount of weak radioactivity.

          However, for just one reason, Cs-137 concentrates and is very sluggish and stagnates in the body. Cs-137 is a much larger molecule and the kidneys and liver are not 100% efficient in eliminating Cs-137 as they are with K-40.
          Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, pp. 80-84, 137, 158-163.
          http://enenews.com/video-us-states-hit-with-extremely-large-peaks-of-fukushima-radioactive-material-significant-amount-of-plutonium-released-for-months-radioactivity-from-plant-measured-gl

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            anne, is irrational argument a part of rational argument? You said "To talk about the amount of potassium and the amount of radioactive potassium in the ocean are two different figures because almost all of potassium is non-radioactive. There are not 70,000Bq/m^3 of radioactivity in the ocean due to potassium, but rather 12,000 Bq/m^3. Bq is a measure of radioactivity."

            The three isotopes of potassium come together, theyre sisters. The conclusion that you miss is this; if you have potassium you will also have radioactivity in a proportional amount. IF you are a PhD, I expect you to understand that.

            Who said there is 70, bq/m3 in ocean water? That was quite a long time ago. But biology has maintained it. Thats how much background radiation you have and all animals have from potassium…source of your largest internal dose. How toxic is it? You never found a study, only ICRP extrapolations.

            Why is it significant? Because if C-137 and K-40 are quit nearly as toxic as each other, as your sources say they are, then indeed we have nothing to worry about from nuclear accidents. Perhaps that is the message you and HDog are making?

            Indeed, K40 would have to be 1/7000 as toxic, becquerel per becquerel to just equal the amount of harm from C-137 fallout. But nobody says that, they say they are about equal. So how is it they could be so wrong? If you are going to compare, you first have to know how toxic they are, isnt that true?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            anne, if you want to espouse truth, then please dont stick with your same arguments….try something different, something you put thought into. You cant grasp toxicity of k-40 vs C-137 on excretion or biological half life because K-40 is MAINTAINED. Please make a not of it. Write it down where you can see it later.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar
          February 3, 2017 at 3:13 am
          And the amount of radiation in the body is contested. The radiation from K-40 is gamma radiation which goes right through the skin and living tissue and Eiichiro Ochiai says maybe it leaks out.
          Also, the important figure on p. 64 of ECRR 2010 should internal radiation from potassium in the body at only slightly 1/3 that of the figures you give 0.165 mSv/year as opposed to the 0.43 (/kg)/year.

          "Some portion of the radiation may leak out of the body, and, hence, the dose may actually be somewhat lower."
          Eiichiro Ochciai, Hiroshima to Fukushima : Biohazards of Radiation,pp. 93,95.
          http://enenews.com/video-us-states-hit-with-extremely-large-peaks-of-fukushima-radioactive-material-significant-amount-of-plutonium-released-for-months-radioactivity-from-plant-measured-gl/comment-page-1#comment-819541

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

            “Dr Goodheart doesnt have an 'expert' telling us that man made K-40 is 8000 times more radioactive than natural…because there are no such experts.”

            Here is the expert:
            http://www.iem-inc.com/information/tools/specific-activities

            Potassium is listed out of alphabetical order just before Plutonium

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              Check how I turn.

              "Potassium-40 is a radioactive isotope of potassium which has a very long half-life of 1.251 years. It makes up 0.012% of the total amount of potassium found in nature."

              Funny thing about k-40's energy, think simple gematria.

              Now you may notice it states E-(6 or 10), along with relatively long half lives (vs say, cesium 134 – 137). That is not the whole picture, but yeah, I don't know what specific activity means.

              Then, I went to check the fluorine-18. Which has something danger kitty mentioned. Then I considered the energy release over time profile. Then I considered a bunch of other things. Like who says that's fine and tries to sell it.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                specific activity is radioactive decays per mass. Its one of the main things that distinguishes man made radioactive material from the primordial radioactive material. I exposed anne to the concept, now she acts as if she is beating my arguments with it.

                What she misses is this; she argues for radiation QUANTITY toxicity. i.e. all radiation is similar and any amount is sickening life on earth. So if k-40 has a millionth the radiation but there is a thousand-million times more of it, you still end up with a lot more radiation from potassium, and indeed thats the case.

                So the salient point is this; if there is a danger to nuclear fallout, it must either be a LOT more toxic than they assume, or background is a LOT less toxic than they assume, or both. Im going with both. And boy did they ever get it wrong! Not even in the ballpark

                • danger kitty danger kitty

                  Code, I think you've told me I'm not correct on this before, but my take is: if you use your magic wand to remove the 'radiation' from cesium, you are still left with an extremely toxic, caustic heavy metal (and all the possible synergies with other toxins.)
                  Part of the truth?

                  • danger kitty danger kitty

                    Code, this free book is probably too basic for you, butt it's a good format for the masses. About as close to a 'one liner' slogan as we'll see. Radiation is complicated. It's how they've gotten away with the shell game.
                    It's from the amazing Ace Hoffman. Don't get shook by the title, lol. Refers to DANA code being raped by radiation.
                    http://www.acehoffman.org/books/TheCodeKillers.pdf

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    danger kitty, no the chemical toxicity from cesium is more or less equivalent to potassium or sodium chloride salt. The conspicuous thing about C-137 and fallout in general is the high amount of radioactivity per mass or per particle. But the biochemical chain of events can be complicated. We saw that a little bit of radiation has a big effect on the glutamine pathway. This in turn affects mitochondria, inflammation, nervous system, and even DNA. So you have a DNA effect that is not from direct bullet hits, and this is a significant departure from the common idea of radiation danger. The bystander effect also shows that cells will die even when they arent touched by radiation.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar
          January 18, 2017 at 9:11 pm • Reply
          Many ancient peoples have known that natural uranium in the ground is deadly:

          “Finally, let us remind ourselves of some wisdom of ancient people. For example, Dine, Navaho Nation has the following creation myth: ‘The people were given a choice of two yellow powders. They chose the yellow dust of corn pollen, and were instructed to leave the other yellow powder in the soil and never to dig it up. If it were taken from the ground, they were told a great evil would come’ (LaDuke 2009).” Eiichiro Ochiai. Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014,p.224.
          http://enenews.com/forum-general-nuclear-issues-discussion-thread-new-april-2016/comment-page-47#comment-815852

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

            “…Chapters 6 througjh 16 considered the interaction of high-energy radiation with cemical entities, atoms, molecules, and compounds, particularly those found in biological entities, atoms, molecules, and compounds particularly those found in biological systems, and the resulting health effects and available defense and data accumulated so far seem to indicate the basic tenet that ‘High-Energy Radiation is Incompatible with Life’.

            “However, organisms have lived over the last four billion years on this planet, where a background level of radiation has persisted. That means that organisms have survived despite the background radiation, and it was because they have developed a few mechanisms that could make them somewhat tolerant to the damaging effects of radiation. How effective the repair mechanisms are in combating the radiation effects has not yet been delineated, but the organisms seem to be capable of just barely coping. It has been demonstrated in this treatment (Sect 12.5) that it is, indeed, the case, so a sudden rise in the radiation due to human activities seems to have caused widespread adverse health effects. If the coping mechanisms was relatively sturdy and may tolerate several times the original background level of radiation, the tragedy, i.e., the adverse effects of radiation, of Chernobyl and others would not have happened.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

              [quotation continued] A recent study has, indeed, demonstrated that about 15% of leukemia among children in the UK, in recent decades is due to the background radiation (Kendall et al, 2012/2013)….”
              Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, p. 197.

              • q Farthington MacMananus

                Hmm.

                Oh really, did they account for their imaging/diagnosis methods, did they mention how many cases of leukemia is the result of chemotherapy and shit like DDT derivatives? Did they mention natural vs unnatural radiation? Did they mention GMO garbage? Did they mention non-ionizing radiation, stress factors, weakened immune systems, vaccines, etc?

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Anne, the first two times you rolled out that study, we noted that all the leukemia cases studied were after Chernobyl, yet they ascribe them to background radiation. There were thousands of farms in England and Wales where raising cattle or sheep was not allowed until just recently. How did the study isolate and remove Chernobyl effects from the result? They didnt

                • danger kitty danger kitty

                  Code, I know it's been a burden & a thankless task, but don't you dare give up correcting the health physics.
                  Hard for me to follow technical arguments with my spiffy new radiated brain function, but I'll persevere. I coul use a better 'background', lol.
                  Is there a book or two you could recommend? I've got the Primer on the Art of Deception. It's pretty good, but a little old.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    danger kitty, warm salutations. I guess Busby and group are doing the best to expose the higher toxicity of fallout, especially the internal particles. They dont seem to address the possibly lower toxicity of background though. This is important because of the quantities involved. Background is there, in our cells, since the beginning. We are 5x more radioactive than the ocean which is 500 to 1000x more radioactive than fallout. So I made a literature search. This does not exist in one book as far as I know.

                    A rough image is this; Potassium, with its radioactive component, was the foundation of life on earth. The radioactive part may have been influential in the chirality or asymmetry of biological molecules. IT may do more. There is evidence of an information carrying bio-electricity…biophotons…that may result from potassium radiation.

                    The cell…it seems significant to get with the more advanced concept of the cell. The electrolyte water…70% of a cell, is ordered in layers. There are loose molecular bonds to cell proteins and this extends the molecular chemistry. Not only chemical 'nuts and bolts' but electric, ionic gradients are found to be especially important to the formation of organisms. The cell is considered a unified, vibrating, communicating, sensitive thing…quite unlike the dead gear like image of college texts. That is where specific activity may by important. There may be only one atom per cell of fallout…insignificantly tiny…

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      An important fact to mention, perhaps is that, while k-40 may be somewhat mutagenic, the neutron and proton count is roughly balanced.

                      Compare that to cs-137.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I wonder if that affects the atomic gravity.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Frank, I looked pretty exhaustively for papers on mutagenicity of K-40 and didnt find it. Even when they artificially raised it by a factor of 100. On the contrary, more than one study shows that organisms do worse without the radioactive component. Such low level radiation studies form part of the confused debate of hormesis. A term I dont care for because its not specific and has now an emotional connotation.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I just looked at the energy release profiles, talked some shit and tried to mention that it's roughly balanced, with maybe some electrons accounting for the apparent imbalance.

                      "MAY be mutagenic". I would still argue it subtly is, without studies. But hey, use your discernment.

                      Otoh, I'm thinking something like cs-137 is far more mutagenic, considering.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the chemical effect and toxicity, and the radiological profile of cesium137 and potassium are very similar. The striking difference is the specific activity. Hence the investigation of ionic gradients

                      One curious characteristic of potassium is that it makes matter-anti matter explosions, as does lightening and PET scans (so to speak). Its not a lot, I forget but maybe several per minute

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Just imagine if something like k-40 explains (to some extent) slow evolution, vs espoused hormesis and the benefits of much much more volatile mutation.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      http://louisville.edu/micronano/files/documents/safety-data-sheets-sds/potassium-chloride

                      That's a lot of 7s and 4s, even the file size, even the weight.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Sorry, I know that's totally unrelated. Trawling a bit.

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Yeah, bio-electricity could be a big factor. Science knows so little about it, how to synch into health with it. But it's very real. Acupuncture works very well, eg.
                      I remember when I first opened up my heart chakra. Blew out the cobwebs, that wheel started turning, freaked me the hell out. Felt like I had a hamster in my chest, running in his wheel.
                      That's real!

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Gotta go 'contrast' with the outside world. Yeah, packing a chain saw. You two carry on,I'll be back tonight.
                      Destroy that which must be destroyed. That which should never have been created.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Frank, the k-40 issue is significant if one wishes to successfully argue against the nuclear cartel and our best and brightest scientists…

                      Mutagenicity of K-40. On the basis of more than 40 chemostat experiments, each typically requiring from 10 days to 2 weeks, with potassium of normal isotopic abundance, potassium depleted in k-40 and in systems enriched in k40, we observed no differences in any of these media in the mutation rates or frequencies of E. coli.

                      All in all, it seems unlikely that K-40 has been an important factor in the process of evolution as a primordial gene irradiator. It is generally agreed that other major contributors to the spontaneous mutation rate are oxygen free radicals produced in the course of aerobic metabolism and errors in DNA replication arising from failures in error detection and repair mechanisms.

                      http://www.pnas.org/content/82/24/8602.full.pdf

                      Dr. H. Planel and associates at the Laboratoire de Biologie Medicale in France, and others, produced experiments in lower order animals, on the effect of both low- to moderate- exposure doses, and on suppression of natural background levels that consistently find that a
                      continuum exists for stimulation by radiation, including detrimental effects from reducing radiation levels below normal background

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Charles Willis
                      It wasn’t until 1958 that I was working with the laboratory [Oak Ridge National Laboratory] situation where we were doing experiments with below background levels of radiation, taking the potassium-40 out and seeing what the effects would be on the cellular level when we saw that the cells looked good but they didn’t function. So we couldn’t publish the results, another ill effect of the paradigm about the linear hypothesis.

                      Potassium was processed to separate the potassium-40 from natural potassium at Oak Ridge to conduct radiobiology experiments in the 1950s. Dr. Willis confirms that radiation research, funded for radiation-protection objectives, supported the linear no-threshold concept by suppressing contrary scientific data, and that this activity dates back more than 40 years, to the 1950s. At that time, animal studies using separated potassium were also conducted. The animals were stated to have “done poorly,” but they recovered when the extracted potassium-40 or natural potassium was added.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      There are processes in the cell that have sensitivities as low as on billionth of a microwatt per square centimeter. Such processes include quantum mechanical and classical processes of superconductivity, Hall effect Converse piezoelectric effect, cooperative dipole interactions and plasma oscillations. These five processes are theoretically capable of serving as the underlying physical mechanism for any known EMF induced biological effect

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the cell is sensitive!
                      Cells can detect a microwave signal of 1.8 GHz as weak as one microwave photon per cell per second. This is much greater than the thermal background which has its peak in the infrared at a wavelength of about 17 m and radiaties 10 e 10 infrared photons per second per cell in the narrow frequency band within 0.5% of the peak.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      a small amount of electric current can make a big difference!

                      Becker showed that applying a very weak current of a billionth of an amp to a culture of nucleated frog red blood cells induced complete dedifferentiation in the cells, which reactivated their nuclei, lost all hemoglobin and became primitive…stem cells…in four hours.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      our cells feel, listen and speak…information, not just 'nuts and bolts'

                      This is actually interesting; Macklis and Beresford, 1991; Feinendegen, 2005. Kuzin 1997 proposed that absorption of a quantum of radiation by a biopolymer molecule within a cell leads to forming a polariton, a persistent exciton. Degradation of polaritons is accompanied by the emission of low-intensity light(this is reminiscent of a concept of mitogenic rays – Gurwitsch, 1932). These rays stimulate cell
                      division and growth of the cell population in prokaryotic and eukaryotic organisms. However,
                      the energy absorbed by cells from the natural background radiation is very low. Thus, it is
                      unlikely that effects of the background radiation on the vital activity have an energetic nature.
                      Rather it is suggested that they are mediated through information transfer processes

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      life was born in a sea of radiation. In spite of or because of?

                      How much radiation was in primordial ponds at the beginning of life? An interesting question which gives some indication of biological danger. In the absence of tests, one cant assume with absolute certainty that all radiation in any amount is dangerous.

                      protocells had the same requirement for potassium as now. So we make a ballpark estimate of what the radioactivity in protocells was this way (right or wrong, we take a stab at it)
                      First we assume the protocell had the same potassium proportion as current cells. We calculate the amount in current cells this way;

                      98% of your potassium is shuttled into your intracellular fluid via the sodium potassium pump.

                      Intracellular fluid volume is the volume of fluid inside all cells. This volume normally contains 27 litre out of the total 42 litre of water in a 70-kg person. – One litre of water equals one kg.

                      So if a person has 5000 bq of k-40, 4900 bq exist in 27 kg of water. Thats 180 bq per kg. Note that 50 bq/kg from fallout gives permanent heart damage

                      Its assumed the extracellular millieu of protocells must be similar to the intracellular because of lack of complex pumps and ion tight membranes. So we multiply 180 bq/kg by 1000 to arrive at the bq/cubic meter. 180,000 bq/m^3. But k-40 has a half life of 1,251,000,000 years.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Evidence points to life beginning around 3.5 billion years ago, so the amount of radioactivity in the ponds at the beginning of life must have had 1,000,000 bq/m^3 of radiation from k-40

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      in the beginning…when cells were just forming…without advanced mechanisms to repair, and being the smallest most susceptible to damage, radiation was 4 to 8 times what it is today. Now the hard part…what does that say about man made vs background radiation?

                      ….background radiation has decreased 4 to 8 times since the beginning of life on earth
                      http://www.irpa.net/irpa9/cdrom/VOL.2/V2_69.PDF

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Thanks for the info CS, particularly the non-ionizing frequency mention.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Sorry about my explicit mistakes. Still, the best way to find out.

                    • "being the smallest most susceptible to damage, radiation was 4 to 8 times what it is today. Now the hard part…what does that say about man made vs background radiation"

                      What it implicitly shows is man made radiation sources on the surface of the earth are thousands of times more toxic than radiation sources from nature.

                      That means (so there is no confusion) The actual substance that produces a radioactive signature (lets say plutonium for example) is many thousands of times more chemically toxic than say uranium sources that exist in nature undisturbed.

                      So it's the producer of radiation that counts, not the actual count itself…

                      Big confusion over this in the main stream with generalizations like…

                      It's like eating a banana… No it's not…

                      Or it's comparable to potassium.. No it's not…

                      Or it's like the sun's emissions… NO it's not…

                      It's NOT the radiation count itself, it's the source giving off the radiation that counts right?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippie Dog, make sure you dont just defer to chemical toxicity. The real point is that x number of radioactive decays from potassium may not be harmful, while the SAME amount of radiation from Cesium IS harmful and it has nothing, or little to do with chemical toxicity.

                      when you say thousands of times more radioactive, the reality could be a million or more times more radioactive per gram. But what if you have a million grams of radioactive potassium …or a ton of bananas, versus one gram of something a million times more radioactive? Equal radiation, equal danger? The banana equivalence lie is not due to homeostasis or nutritional content or quantity of radiation! ITs not due to bio-accumulation or chemical toxicity! So consider that carefully if you want to know about one of the fundamental arguments we have with mainstream nuclear science….and its mouthpieces like Woods Hole, which you always link to as authoratative…

                    • The chemical makeup of the source has everything to do with it's emissions in ALL forms, even radiation.

                    • And for the 90000'th time…

                      The mouthpieces at woods hole don't interest me.

                      The certified readings produced since 2011 do interest me and are based in real scientific testing! I could care less what someone says about them. Even you code…

                    • Let's compair radiation to icecream (maybe you'll finally get it).

                      Icecream is icecream right? Wrong…

                      You have choclate and vinilla and strawberr and banana and so on…

                      Each while being ice cream have slightly different ingredients producing different compounds through their individual differences… So not all ice cream is the same.

                      And the same goes for a radioactive source, no two are the same… No two radioactive sources produce the exact same emissions. It's the inability to distinguish the differences in those emissions that are the problem…

                      So since you can't differentiate the differences between a beta from one source and a beta from another source or a alpha from a alpha from a different source it's fairy tale time for those that study readings instead of sources…

                      Finding a source with a counter is one thing, knowing the difference between one source and another is a whole other story entirely…

                    • Let's try another…

                      Radiation is like a fizzy drink.

                      They both fizz but one is charged with C02 and the other is charged with nitrogen gas…

                      They both fizz (like a rad count) but are different in many ways. Fizz is not just fizz and radiation counts are not just counts of the same thing… A beta is not just a beta and a alpha is not just a alpha…

                      It's the source that counts when determining the damage it will cause.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Hippie: "Radiation is like a fizzy drink."

                      A few beers and you're done.

                    • That's funny HHD…

                      Nope but a few particles of cesium or even one particle of plutonium and you're done…

                      And your point is what?

                      That they charge beer with c02?

                      You are a genius man… 🙂

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      My Point? I have no point.

                      Your comparison of radiation/radionuclides to "fizzy drinks and ice-cream", now that's funny- and pointless. I prefer natural fermentation and kambucha.
                      Also pointless.

                      We should be banned to the pointless forest. For lack of pointiness and OT.

                      Wait- do I have a point, there?

                    • Do you have a point? Doesn't seem like it Hillbilly…

                      My point is though things can appear similar there are actually vast differences…

                      Like the difference between potassium and cesium for example…

                      Both are radioactive but are as different as water and whisky…

                      So there is a point to my comparisons.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Why don't you compare K-40 to cesium-137 or strontium…or plutonium…rather than apples to oranges…or, in this case, fizzy drinks and ice cream to radiation?

                      You want me to make a point? …OK.

                      You suck at invoking authority and your spelling could use some work.

                      http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
                      "8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources."

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog; "My point is though things can appear similar there are actually vast differences…"

                      I want to hear it from the dogs mouth; how can a radiation source 1000x greater than the nuclear fallout be harmless? No ice cream or fizzy drink or rock songs. Just the science.

                      Clue; its not nutrition, not bioaccumulation, not chemical toxicity

                      OK, your time to shine…show us your brilliance

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                  “Eiichiro Ochiai was born in Tokyo and earned his PhD from the University of Tokyo. He has taught and carried out research in chemistry at universities in Japan, Canada, the USA and Sweden. At the time his area of research, bioinorganic chemistry, was a new field and he has published several books on the subject including “Bioinorganic Chemistry, an Introduction” (Allyn and Bacon, 1977), “Bioinorganic Chemistry, a Survey” (Elsevier, 2008). His other books include a general chemistry book: “Chemicals for Life and Living” (Springer, 2011), and “Life and Metals” (in Japanese, Kenkyu-sha, 1991), “Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Power Plants” (in Japanese, Rokusai-sha, 2012).”
                  http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783642387265#aboutAuthors

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    IF Eiichiro Ochiai says potassium radioactivity is not dangerous because we excrete it efficiently…and I dont know if he means that, that is really Annes argument, then how can he be correct, since whatever is excreted is replaced? Life was radioactive from the beginning, but it caused no dead zones, no genomic instability, no cancer clusters. All that was with the advent of nuclear fallout

                    • And he is right do you not even know that radioactive sources travel on different frequencies? Same count will produce the results using Scintillation…

                      The radioactive frequency of potassium is completely different than the exact same count from cesium…

                      That's how you tell em apart and by the way the frequency of cesium is 666 using Scintillation while potassium is on a completely different channel…

                      The difference is compairable to a smashed turd and a brownie…

                      Ya outta brush up on these obvious facts…

                      ..Sure will clear up alot of questions you seem to have about tox values and sources…

                    • Heres a simple explanation from Tom over at anti protons…

                      https://youtu.be/5x6rnNgRBNg?t=4m9s

                    • And don't forget my personal favorite researcher…

                      …Proof that radiation is NOT of the same makeup or toxicity!!!

                      https://youtu.be/uziEgRan2G8?t=1m26s

                      A click is not just a click and a count from one source is not the same as a count from another…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      He never says that potassium is 100% safe. He just cites ECRR for total amount of potassium in the body at any given time.

                      Do you support the ECRR figure or another figure?

                      The study he cites says that there is a small risk of cancer from natural potassium in the environment. The study is supported by many important scientists.

                      Here is a summary of the study:

                      Natural exposure to gamma rays in background radiation linked to childhood leukemia
                      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120618150045.htm

                      http://www.melodi-online.eu/doc/melodi-2012_1a_kendall_slides.pdf

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      “…The results of the study contradict the idea that there are no adverse radiation effects, or might even be beneficial effects, at these very low doses and dose rates.

                      “The Oxford University researchers, along with colleagues from the US National Cancer Institute, The University of Manchester and the Health Protection Agency, have published their findings in the journal Leukemia….

                      “Gamma rays in background radiation come largely from naturally occurring radioactive isotopes of uranium, thorium and potassium in the environment. In the UK, children have an annual radiation dose of roughly 0.7 mSv (millisievert) to bone marrow from natural gamma-rays….”
                      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120618150045.htm

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      p. 111:

                      “…Elaine Cardis and her colleagues (2005) surveyed 400,000 nuclear industry workers in 15 counties who had been chronically exposed and whose doses had been recorded. The study revealed a higher incidence for protracted exposure than that found in the atomic bomb data (one shot of high exposure). This implies that protracted exposure shows a higher cancer risk than the one-time exposure of the same dose, and that the radiation effect is cumulative, implying that the remedial mechanisms are not sufficient to nullify the slow and protracted exposures, even at low levels….”

                      Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, p. 111.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog says "And he is right do you not even know that radioactive sources travel on different frequencies? " The point was that excretion of potassium cant reduce its toxicity because it is always replaced. So HDog gives a complete non sequitur reply of virtual nonsense. True, the radionuclides have different frequencies, and I have posted a meta study showing that there are bands and harmonics where harm results. But HDog doesnt elucidate this AT ALL, and seems to know very little.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog says "..Sure will clear up alot of questions you seem to have about tox values and sources…" Listen up crackerdoodle…you have NEVER elucidated ANYTHING about radiation danger. By contrast, I singlehandedly busted the background to man made comparison boondogle, and went far to explain what the differences are. I started the idea of looking for biological analogs to ion exchange resins and the bioaccumulation in chitin. I gave a plausible and scientific rational for the heating of the ocean where others were stuggling with incorrect hunches, and I have given a sound theory of how Pseudonitschia could bloom and have increased domoic acid as a result of fallout, and found the correlation to glutamic acid radiation damage…which could explain the tragic affects we saw on cetaceans, and bust the theory that every diseased animal is caused by DA. What did you do besides put me down? I have a plausible two word answer; jack shit

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      All true, Code. Your June 20, 2:26 am post. And you got treated poorly for it.
                      With that, goodnight. Can't keep such late hours.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog says "That's how you tell em apart and by the way the frequency of cesium is 666 using Scintillation" Frequency? Or is that electron volts? Maybe you need to convert hc/ λ = [(4.1256×10-15 eVs)(299792458 m/s)]/ λ

                      Unfortunately the grasp of wavelength or frequency is not intuitive when described by electron volts. And its the frequency that we may be most interested in.

                      What did you just learn?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I just learned something about time and not being on the same frequency.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Oh wait, I lied.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog says "…Proof that radiation is NOT of the same makeup or toxicity!!!"

                      But the young woman bionerd does not explain why one dose can be deadly where another EQUAL dose is not. In fact she seems stuck on the usual classification….good as far as it goes, i.e. alpha, beta, gamma, x-ray. But with that system, the difference in harmful effect per dose is only a factor of 20, mainly from close range alpha. Busby et al find a factor of 1000 or more. The bionerd classification would say an equal radiation dose from potassium and cesium would be nearly equal. This is in fact the problem with mainstream nuclear science!

                      Is there a test of potassium radiation toxicity? How good are the cesium toxicity tests…or are they also extrapolations?

                      HDog, better get with the program, you are way behind and you speak mainly a kind of simplistic gibberish between rock songs

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      You'd have to be a physicist to understand the predictive error of extrapolations, but then again, it is a popular appeal.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I dunno, I was doing some non-linear equations that one time, and it was like, shit, the system is unstable and explodes.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Anne says "The study he cites says that there is a small risk of cancer from natural potassium in the environment. study; 'Natural exposure to gamma rays in background radiation linked to childhood leukemia'"

                      We talked about this study before. They say the gamma comes from thorium uranium and potassium. But the study was done in england after chernobyl. They measured hot spots, or areas of increased radiation and found a small correlation to leukemia in children. How did they eliminate chernobyl fallout, how did they control for it? How do we know the areas with higher radiation are not confounded by other factors, including but not limited to ingestion? Kids playing in the dirt. So yes, clearly there are big questions which detract from that study. WHen you cite that study in the future, I will likely have the same, and possibly more reservations about it.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Something to consider, perhaps, it's a bit unrelated, no doubt. What's up with the arbitrary division and supposed quantization of the EM spectrum?

                      IF matter is energy, then surely, you cannot try to classify it as distinctly separate?

                      I'm reminded of radix sorting.

                      A "specialist" constraint minimization "expert" once asked me; "If you have multiple Johns, how do you do distinguish?" Of course he was a kind of an industry derivator.

                      So I was like, "Dude, ask better questions." Which kinda blew his mind.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Frank, the extrapolations are largely from records taken after the Hiroshima bombing. It was found that those records are not indicative because of the cherry picking, so to speak. A whole sector of illnesses were dismissed as not resulting from the bomb. That ICRP extrapolation puts C-137 and K-40 on nearly the same level of toxicity, but any kid of 12 yrs should be able to grasp that we have a lifetime of accumulated radiation exposure to k-40 with no apparent detriment, whereas a short dose period of the same radiation level from cesium causes irreversible heart damage. Bandazhevsky et al

                      I like science, its very powerful, but the radiation science, the nuclear science really screwed up big time. Yet you cant convince presumed anti nukers such as the Anne and Hippie that this is the case even by banging your head against the wall for extended periods

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Anne says prolonged exposure is worse. Yet the study is of what? Nuclear workers around man made radiation. What is another radiation source with no known ill effect and which has a lifetime of accumulated, protracted unrelenting exposure? You get extra points if you answer correctly

                      "Elaine Cardis and her colleagues (2005) surveyed 400,000 nuclear industry workers in 15 counties who had been chronically exposed and whose doses had been recorded. The study revealed a higher incidence for protracted exposure than that found in the atomic bomb data (one shot of high exposure). This implies that protracted exposure shows a higher cancer risk than the one-time exposure of the same dose,"

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      After chernobyl, the industrial age, maybe after their nuclear power plants, maybe after their government policies, their societal abuse, chemotherapy, other damaging non-ionizing factors etc.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Well, I'm not that concerned, my many heads are stronger than a mere wall.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Perhaps something to mention or consider, the fallout from a nuclear bomb explosion, considering the amount of fusion is that nuclear power plants are mostly "slow" fission.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Frank…well of course there is some quantization due to discrete energy levels in the electron shells and really the whole thing at the atomic level. The cuttoff frequency for nuclear stuff is of course when the energy (inverse relation to frequency) is high enough to strip electrons from atoms. But they never acknowledge that there are harmonics and sub harmonics, that is, possible frequency related effects. Thats to say coupled frequencies harmonically related to biological processes…molecular bonds and so on..

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      I'm suggesting that most nuclear power plants are possibly more damaging than nuclear bombs. But because the damage isn't exhibited quickly, so.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      "Frank…well of course there is some quantization due to discrete energy levels in the electron shells and really the whole thing at the atomic level."

                      Not something I believe, I'm more of an anal log kind of guy.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      "Yet you cant convince presumed anti nukers such as the Anne and Hippie that this is the case even by banging your head against the wall for extended periods"

                      Yes, I am super pro nuke and I smite the vagrant filth of life. It may even include you.

                      Of course I have to destroy shit, convincing them is irrelevant. What else would I do

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      Code argues nuclear industry myth:

                      1) Every time he says "Anne says", he quotes what the expert Eiichiro Ochiai. The words he attributes to me are actually the words of the expert Eiichiro Ochiai. This is an ad hominem deception.

                      2) Code quotes many decades-old studies which take place is a very short time, weeks or months, whereas low dose gamma ray exposure is bioaccumulative and the damage can take place over much longer periods of time.

                      3) Code leaves out a very important significant difference between cesium 137 and natural potassium 40 which is the size of the molecule:

                      "the chemical effect and toxicity, and the radiological profile of cesium137 and potassium are very similar. The striking difference is the specific activity. Hence the investigation of ionic gradients"
                      http://enenews.com/tv-huge-number-of-sea-creatures-washing-up-dead-along-west-coast-its-a-crisis-all-along-southern-california-large-numbers-getting-sick-and-dying-video/comment-page-2#comment-845448

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      “the thyroid gland cannot distinguish among isotopes of iodine, and, hence, it can incorporate not only I-131 but also I-129, which has a much longer half-lif of 15.7 million years. However, I-129 is much less radioactive, being about one biooionth of the same quantity of I-131….”
                      Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, p. 83-84.

                      "Although we can talk about some difference between Cs-137 and K-40, it is just that Cs is 10,000,000 times more radioactive than K-40. Cs-137 can't be compared to K-40 because it behaves much differently in the body than K-40. Eiichiro Ochiai spends 12 pages explaining the differences of the two isotopes and how they behave in the body. For example, K-40 is evenly distributed into every cell of the body and the cells have mechanisms to deal with that tiny amount of weak radioactivity.

                      "However, for just one reason, Cs-137 concentrates and is very sluggish and stagnates in the body. Cs-137 is a much larger molecule and the kidneys and liver are not 100% efficient in eliminating Cs-137 as they are with K-40…."
                      Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, pp. 80-84, 137, 158-163.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      I shouldn't have put quotes around the following as it was my summary of Eiichiro Ochiai and not a quotation of what he said:

                      Although we can talk about some difference between Cs-137 and K-40, it is just that Cs is 10,000,000 times more radioactive than K-40. Cs-137 can't be compared to K-40 because it behaves much differently in the body than K-40. Eiichiro Ochiai spends 12 pages explaining the differences of the two isotopes and how they behave in the body. For example, K-40 is evenly distributed into every cell of the body and the cells have mechanisms to deal with that tiny amount of weak radioactivity.

                      However, for just one reason, Cs-137 concentrates and is very sluggish and stagnates in the body. Cs-137 is a much larger molecule and the kidneys and liver are not 100% efficient in eliminating Cs-137 as they are with K-40.
                      Eiichiro Ochiai, Hiroshima to Fukushima: Biohazards of Radiation, 2014, pp. 80-84, 137, 158-163.

                      My summary appeared as a previous post in enenews.com

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      Another problem with Code's analysis of the Kendall 2011 study is that I've never seen a link to the entire article and because Code never shares a link to the WHOLE, COMPLETE article, I have to wonder if he has even read it.

                      Code gets a lot of his arguments from the pro-Nuke shill Rod Adams website.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Disinformation.
                      "Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles…This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues."

                      http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

                    • Boy ya gotta wonder where code went to school, tell us ole argumentative one…

                      The school of cut'n'paste with a sudo degree in disruptive with total waste of time comments I expect…

                    • Now to answer the Doc…

                      Potassium is a natural nutrient our body REQUIRES. Potassium levels can however reach dangerous levels (above 5.5) if your kidneys or other organ begin to fail and cause problems. Cancer may be vaguely tied to this but in no way should be considered the cause, it's underlying problems that cause it to become a problem to begin with.

                      Man made Cesium on the other hand is a metal poison our bodies were never meant to ingest but will show up as potassium on a standard blood test…

                      Could be allot of confusion on that as there seems to be with potassium to begin with.

                      Now we hear potassium causes cancer?

                      VERY doubtful, most likely cesium mistaken for potassium.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Tag team BSers. Like these guys…

                      http://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/news/read?GUID=34443359

                      Terrestrial Energy Commences Work to Explore Siting the First Commercial IMSR(R) Power Plant at Canadian Nuclear Laboratories

                    • "Integral Molten Salt Reactor"

                      The MOST insane design ever thought of!!

                      What happens when molten salt contacts even a small amount of water?

                      https://youtu.be/Ng8YB48OWT0

                      Now imagine a flood, earthquake with liquefaction or tsunami on that site?

                      Pure insanity to even consider building that death trap!!!

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PJ, I dont get anything from Rod Adams…how do you figure? Im interested in Eiichiro Ochiai's opinion. I dont censor information, …but that doesnt mean all info is correct.

                      Whoever makes the argument that potassium isnt dangerous because its excreted, which has definately been your argument, and it appeared you quoted Ochiai to that effect is just plain wrong. I dont care if Einstein said it

                      the bottom line here is that science and the nuke industry is putting all radiation into the categories of alpha beta gamma and assuming a dose of x amount beta is equal to the same amount of beta from a different radionuclide. If they are correct, then you have nothing to fear about nuclear accidents, unless you are at ground zero. So I elucidated the differences, and you fought me every step of the way. Proud of your efforts?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PJ; "Another problem with Code's analysis of the Kendall 2011 study is that I've never seen a link to the entire article"

                      Well thats your problem, not a problem of my analysis. I cant say for sure what part low level gamma from what source played in the leukemia, but is there any doubt the study data was taken after Chernobyl in a downwind location? You have the paper, you want me to link to it for some reason?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog; "Potassium levels can however reach dangerous levels (above 5.5) if your kidneys or other organ begin to fail and cause problems."

                      why do Anne and HDog continually mistake electrolyte balance with radioactivity, even after having it pointed out many times? PJ a PhD? HDog a 'Joe Six Pack' Genius?

                      Lets see if an HDog comment applies;
                      "The school of cut'n'paste with a sudo degree in disruptive with total waste of time comments "

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Frank; "[quantization] Not something I believe, I'm more of an anal log kind of guy."

                      sheesh, and I was thinking you had hidden intelligence.

                      quantization is the reason grass always looks green instead of morphing through the colors of the rainbow unless you have taken too much LSD
                      http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae569.cfm

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        civilization is only 6k years old? What balderdash. Gobekli Tepe at least 11,000. First people to cross an ocean 50,000 to 70,000 years ago?
        http://www.newser.com/story/231488/scientists-find-earths-oldest-civilization.html

        This is what PJ does…when I expose the faulty comparison of native to man made radiation by the nuke industry she makes an all out attempt to discredit it. This includes the ICRP dose model which is the very legal and conceptual reason for the continued existence of nuclear. Is there some reason she does not want the ICRP dose model and the background vs man made radiation boondoggle exposed? Its really quite something to witness….the lengths she goes to. No embarrassment, no shame, never admits an error

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Code, are you saying there is written history older than 6,000 years old?

          Anne did not say civilization is only 6,000 years old. She said history is only 6,000 years old. That generally means written history.

          It used to be Chinese history was the oldest written history, but I think now there have been Middle Eastern recordings of history on par with that.

          I'll argue cave paintings are a form of written or recorded history which is much older, going back at least to the Pleistocene era.

          But I won't make an outright statement of my position on this, especially methods of dating historical objects.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            'Meant it used to be said the Chinese had the oldest written history. That is what was taught in public schools.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Civilization as it were appears to have been around for a long time. The Neanderthals had an advanced civilization, in many respects.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              And there are examples of very advanced technology in ancient cultures. The Incas and (I think) the Egyptians did brain surgeries. Several skulls have been found where people had metal plates placed in their skulls, and had apparently survived for some time afterward.

              The manner in which the Incas fitted together the stones at Machu Picchu has never been figured out. Nor has the method for moving the stones into place ever been determined.

              There have been advanced metal axes and other metal found deep in coal deposits in the Eastern U.S.

              Just to name a few instances ….

              So many mysteries.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            HoTaters, you think when Anne said human history is only 6000 years old she means just the remnants of written recorded history? I doubt that. She is trying to argue, one way or the other, that background radiation has been sickening all life on earth. This is not something new. She will soon roll out the ICRP dose model to try and prove it

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Human recorded history is not billions of years old as Jay Cullen would lead you to believe.

          Uranium and radon have always been lethal to humans and the animal kingdom throughout the entire history of the earth.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          straw argument.

          Recorded human history is only 6,000 years old. Human capable of recoding history have not been around billions of years.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Do you really think they are telling you the truth about Earth's history?

            Remember there is a book based on myths and hearsay at the tip of the human history spear..

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          I quote from ECRR all the time. Another straw argument and false accusation and distraction from the main argument that man was just barely able to survive the radiation on earth before the atomic era.

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        PJ: "In the first place…"

        … …

        "…man was just barely able to survive the radiation on earth before the atomic era."

        Must have been those x-rays…

  • rogerthat

    http://midwestcompact.org/news/

    On June 20, 2017, the Central Interstate Low-Level Radioactive Waste Commission will hold its annual meeting. The meeting will be held at the Capital Hotel, which is located at 111 West Markham Street in Little Rock, Arkansas. ….

  • Sol Man

    So, it seems certain now that "it ends with a whimper" wins now. Genomes disrupted, soft tissues attacked by neutron radiation (how are your joints and eyesight doing? Is the brain doing alright? It's pretty soft.) Humans go down in history with the enduring mystery of why we were ever here, but to wipe everything out. It was for the children?

  • Alternative News and Activist websites have been targeted by corporate and governmental organization for a long time.

    They send "trolls" to screw up the conversations, to confuse, dilute, disgust.

    A new type of troll showed up at ENENEWS, to degrade the site, get people to leave.
    I have left, until the admin bans this troll critter.

    https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2017/06/techniques-and-sample-posts-from-modern.html

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Oh look, stock showed up just a little after he was alting on other accounts after I summoned him.

      Funny shit.

    • I expect the troll to identify himself rather quickly, LOL

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Thanks for the advertising though. To be fair, you should probably remove that article, lest someone notice you are damned.

    • laconic93 laconic93

      Stock your one of the BIGGEST trolls on this site, always posting links to your site because you have no traffic,
      Oh the Hypocrisy!!!!

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        what if Busby commented here and linked to his site? Or Arnie Gundersen, or how about Rod Adams or Jay Cullen? How about AGreenRoad?

        'In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.'

        perhaps you meant advertising his site….closely related to shilling

        • DUDe DUDe

          Pro-nuclear , pro-fossil etc stay away..the rest is welcome..the more the better..

        • Well hot diggidy dam!!!

          You are it…

          What if this site was like a hundred other sites out there?

          Did I evoke a response in your brain? 🙂

          • DUDe DUDe

            What are you talking about ? I'm medicated..

            This is an aggregation of info site i assume ?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            'you are it'. Sorry, didnt understand that. I am what? Didnt get the second and third questions either. Be explicit

            • "what if Busby commented here and linked to his site? Or Arnie Gundersen, or how about Rod Adams or Jay Cullen?"

              Well I expect they have all looked at this site and found talk of ailens, pizza gate and the mandella effect.

              Not to mention all the useless arguing over scientific facts and child like posters trying to disprove them with ridiculous links and arguments that obviously have some personal agendas that have nothing to do with the real proven facts of radiation and our current proven pollution situation…

              …would you place your real name on a post here if you were a public figure?

              I think not.

              It's a shame that posers carry on a personal shit fight for what appears to be ego driven misinformation or the spreading of disinformation for attention or to try to prove bad science soi they look good and even the obvious distractions from simple subjects (so simple sometimes the real facts are taught in middle school).

              Nothing explicit by me, when I said "your it" I meant that it's like a game of tag…

    • Totally agreed stock…

      But let's not overlook the main reasons this happens…

      Egocentric shut in's with no real knowledge that study fairy tales and cut'n paste anything (real or not) that suits their blind arguments in a effort to feel important. Or simply for something to do…

      That's where the vast majority of the crazy posts here and most everywhere else comes from.

      Loony Tooners…

      https://youtu.be/QYiCP1kxL1E

      …it would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

  • laconic93 laconic93

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html#.WUajKvEXDoA.facebook

    Something very Fishy Flawcette, guess what carrier the Fitzgerald was assigned too to provide missile defense in case North Korea launched an attack????
    The good to glow USS Reagan.
    coincidence?????

  • MVB MVB

    First known case of conjoined twins in the cetacean species of Porpoises, off The Netherlands in the North Sea, earlier this June 2017:

    https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/06/17/apparent-uptick-in-cetacean-conjoined-twins/

  • The fact these trolls abound confirms the truth that nuclear energy is bad. People are waking up to realize that clean water air and unadulterated food are more important then "the economy". Act locally. I sold my car years ago to personally divorce myself from big oil. Buy organic. In fact your economic vote way more powerful then your democratic vote. If you can put solar panels on your house instead of using electricity from nuclear sources.
    Nuclear is a boondoggle industry supported by you and me the tax payer. Mother Earth is being assaulted on many fronts not just nuclear but all assaults make someone money so choose wisely how you spend your money. Buy used buy local and avoid supporting the earth abusing industries if at all possible. Be positive not negative and act out of love and kindness. Ignore the trolls they are negative energy and a waste of your time.
    God bless and be happy despite all this is a wonderful place this planet. Kind regards always

    • DUDe DUDe

      Awesome post Mark thank you.

    • Yes Sir Mark!!!!

      That's totally on the mark 🙂

      The only real power we have is the right to choose what we buy…

      Wanna get their attention and create change? Don't purchase their products!!!!

      The only true control we have…

      Amen brother, wish more would get it and organize simple boycotts of bad products…

      Here's a good one…

      Introducing Toeflan the once a month pill guaranteed to stop big toe pain…

      Side effects may include stroke, leukemia, heart attack, loss of bodily function blindness, mood swings, thoughts of suicide or mass murder and diarrhea…

      …ask your pill pusher about Toeflan, you'll be glad you did or you won't be able to care either way anymore..

      HeHeHe 🙂

      Don't buy it and it will disappear…

    • Ya, every chance you have to remove yourself from dependency on the system, even if for a short time span, like I don't need this for 21 days….type of thing….

      every chance that you take, is a positive change for you and the world, and a slapback to the sociopaths who have stormed the helm.

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