TV: “Imminent situation” at U.S. nuclear site — Emergency operations center evacuated due to fire deep underground — “One of most serious incidents” on record — Anonymous footage of thick black smoke coming from ground (VIDEO)

Published: February 6th, 2014 at 9:27 am ET
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KOAT, Feb. 5, 2014: An imminent situation going on right now in Southern New Mexico at Carlsbad. Emergency response crews have activated an emergency plan at WIPP. Here’s what we know right now — shortly after 11am, WIPP’s emergency operations center was evacuated. They tell us an underground vehicle […] was on fire in the underground. […] KOAT Action News is working on getting every detail of this scary situation from Southern New Mexico. We’ll see you tonight. >> Watch the broadcast here

KOAT, Feb. 5, 2014: It’s the nation’s first repository for radioactive waste left behind from research and production of nuclear weapons […] Access to the site is being restricted. The cause of that fire remains under investigation. >> Watch the broadcast here

KOB, Feb. 5, 2014:

KOB anchor: An emergency today at WIPP […] A truck caught fire nearly half mile underground […]

KOB reporter: 6 workers were taken to this hospital in Carlsbad for smoke inhalation […] It was enough to shut down the plant for the rest of this week. […] WIPP spokesperson Roger Nelson says […] these situations can be very dangerous.

Roger Nelson, WIPP spokesman: “These are events that could potentially harm people, our workers as well as it gives us a bad reputation because we appear to have made a mistake. […] Inhalation is the primary hazard with radioactive materials of this nature.”

KOB reporter: Nelson says this is one of the most serious incidents since the plant opened in 1999 […]

Watch the KOB broadcast here

See anonymous footage of black smoke rising out of ground at plant here

Published: February 6th, 2014 at 9:27 am ET
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181 comments to TV: “Imminent situation” at U.S. nuclear site — Emergency operations center evacuated due to fire deep underground — “One of most serious incidents” on record — Anonymous footage of thick black smoke coming from ground (VIDEO)

  • Socrates

    Inhalation is the primary danger… yes, so let's incist that our children be permitted to wear respiratory protection at school.

    We did duck and cover drills when I was a mid to boost profits for the MIC. So let's protect our children in a real and meaningful way against the real enemy – NUCLEAR POWER.

    Maybe the images of children wearing face masks at school will raise consciousness that a zero tolerance policy against nuclear releases and accidents is needed. The nuclear energy people are worried about their image. That's what the article says. So let's trash it.


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    • Seems the American People are under the impression .gov cares about children. But as James T so courageously keeps posting, the powers that be perform regular rituals to destroy the "care" of anything and see our children as nothing but future slaves and targets for marketing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8l5hLO9DnQ

      How to get parents to insist on protection when all information on nuclear consequences is consistently undermined, ignored and buried?


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      • Socrates

        James T has courage and tells it like it is. We are no longer citizens who enjoy rights and protection…. we are "consumers" and a labor force. The social contract has been broken. Globalization undermined our protections under our constitution. Multinational corporations are the citizens of the New World Order. Corporations have no soul. There is simply a mandate to make profits without regard to the consequences. With Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court, they can buy influence without limits or disclosure in many cases. These corporations have access to our markets but are exempt from our laws, especially environmental, labor and consumer protection. International finance, GMO foods, pesticides, nuclear….. lot's of slave labor today. The middle class is outmoded for the financier class.


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      • Socrates

        Chemfood,

        I enjoyed your video! Read all of Freud Jung. I advocated special ed students and understand all of that stuff about society.and consciousness. Really appreciate that people understand the social engineering going on through social psychology. Also a fan of Joseph Campbell and Marie Louise Von-Franz. …

        Werner Herzog – seen several of his movies – Aguirre and the Wrath of God, the one about the 37,000 year-old cave paintings, an exhibit at the Getty.


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        chemfood, and whomever is interested, Kevin Blanch reported on this subject yesterday and also, how all the countries are backing out of nuclear.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gxvEq9wKEw


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    • DanielVincentKelley

      If you home school, you can filter your air so your kids are safe from breathing nuke spew. You can also accomplish the point about getting the word out, how disastrous nuke power is, by wearing gas masks around town. When Fukushima first melted down, I did. I didn't go outside without a gas mask for about 4 months. It's necessary again as radiation levels are off the charts now, because they connected the ocean to the nuke melt down which is still raging and as of August 20th 2013, the ocean in front of the Fukushima nuke plant began to boil. They're able to throttle that boil, apparently they have a valve they can variously open or close to dump more or less ocean water on the meltdown, upwards of rolling boil the ocean as the early images of it show.


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  • Proton

    "Inhalation is the primary hazard with radioactive materials of this nature."
    "because we appear to have made a mistake"

    Yeah you did FUCKERS


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    • Bones Bones

      Exactly and the people around the plant have to figure out on their own if it's truly safe where they are. That's my whole point. We all need at the minimum a geiger counter or a dosimeter. Something that says gtfo or get in a basement or where you are is fine for the moment. This stuff will only get worse and as a nation we need to stop and think and take our lives into our own hands. ~$200-$400 for a real nice dosimeter or geiger counter that would work perfect for those circumstances, is all one needs to determine the actual safety. We can't rely on any group or government so it's up to us to protect our families and in our day nuclear contamination is a real threat. If everybody could say, "hey, these were the dose rates at x on y and they lied," and they are different than what was said or someone with a scintillation counter got the exact radionuclides and then we take the power back just through information. A group of individuals working together is all we need and then these pieces can't be used for propaganda like see we kept you safe and everything under control or the timeless classic "harmless releases." Just a warning to NM as you will never be told the actual truth by the company or parent company the U.S. …Ever.


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  • ftlt

    They say it out… Good news… Wonder what burned – we will never be told.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    So is this still going on ? Anyone ?


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  • Nick

    Just watched video.

    Guess we will hear that no harm to public (except inhaling soot particles)…that as far as we know, no radioactive materials were released.

    Relax folks, Fukushima is already your worst nightmare.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    "it makes it appear that we made a mistake"

    Nuclear is the mistake! Trucks will catch fire, earthquakes will rattle the earth, tsunamis will flood coastal areas.

    If they haven't learned by now, then they never will. It appears they just don't care.


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    Time to dump that troublesome water problem at Fukushima.

    3 days ago
    WHO cancer report blaming lifestyle choices. Multiple news channels … different focus
    Confuse and obstufication.

    followed by scare at Selafield (uk). that is later explained by natural emissions…we're thinking safety!

    Next tuck fire in a tunnel. Scary!!!!

    Next we hear that safety measures were effective as planned.

    Phew!
    Nothing to worry about then
    Watch it happen


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    • We Not They Finally

      WHO says cancer is caused by "lifestyle choices"? I guess we made a "lifestyle choice" at some point way back when (none of us remember) to go live on the reformatory called Earth.

      By the way, one of our best friends was just operated on for lung cancer and she's never smoked. I guess that everyone else's "lifestyle choices" intervened. Breathing the same air or some such.

      And who "chose" to have the World Health Organization in bed with the IAEA? Anyone under age 55 was not even alive when that happened. But it's ghastly. The international bodies seem to be even worse than the local ones.


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      • It is all just fear, stress and worry. Radiation does not cause lung cancer.

        Ask WHO.. They KNOW for sure.

        Or, if you don't get answers there, ask the IAEA, the boss of WHO.

        They KNOW too.

        They are absolutely sure about this..

        No one died from Fuku, and no one will die from Fuku.. for sure. for sure. Just believe. Just believe.

        The 'experts' KNOW, for sure.

        (sarc)


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        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Yes, Dr. Good…we should all smile more, and everything will go away. All of this worry and stress will cause wrinkles, and we know that is much more scary in today's world, than radiation.

          Actually, having said that I wonder if the evening news ran a story with a dermatologist saying the glow from radiation makes you look ten years younger, if there wouldn't be a sudden demand for a beauty cream with uranium as the key ingredient.


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          • +100 and if they marketed that today, as they did back in the early days of hormesis theory run wild, people would STILL buy it TODAY and smear it all over themselves and their kids.

            so sad.. and that is why radiation is still seen as a good thing in some professions.. crazy insane, when other solutions work better without any side effects or DNA damage.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Yet one state over…good old Texas.

    Ron Kirk joins pro-nuclear group as co-chair; ex-mayor and trade ambassador pitches “clean and safe” energy

    "Ron Kirk, the former Dallas mayor and U.S. trade ambassador, has signed on as co-chair of Clean and Safe Energy (CASEnergy) Coalition, which promotes nuclear energy. He joins Christine Todd Whitman, an EPA administrator under President George W. Bush and former New Jersey governor, who has served as co-chair since the group’s launch in 2006."

    Interesting note:

    Patrick Moore, co-founder of the Greenpeace, stepped down as a CASEnergy co-chair about a year ago.
    Jan 6 2014

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/02/ron-kirk-joins-pro-nuclear-group-as-co-chair-ex-mayor-and-trade-ambassador-pitches-clean-and-safe-energy.html/?nclick_check=1

    Bought and paid for fools..born every minute is seems.


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    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      Let's not forget Ms Whitman's prior history/collusion either.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042202807.html

      NEW YORK, April 22 — Christine Todd Whitman, the former head of the Environmental Protection Agency, cannot be held liable for assuring residents near the burning detritus of the World Trade Center after the 2001 attacks that the air was safe to breathe, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.


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      • jec jec

        Not liable..so where DID she get the information from? GO get that person(s).
        I hope she paid a LOT in lawyer fees; hope she did not get government bailout on the legal action costs ; hope she gets the same IRS treatment we do when she turns in the costs on her taxes, nada! Open mouth, act 'expert'..we need to stop this kind of brainless government mouthing. Will SHE pay for all the medical and physical health damages, lost of loved ones because she promised safety? HUM…sounds similar to 'like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." And the governments wonder WHY the public does not trust them????


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      • We Not They Finally

        fireguyjeff, we were living in New York at the time. The EPA never released readings for the first twelve days at all.

        So now a federal appeals court says that federal agency tasked to protecting the AIR, cannot be held accountable for lying about the air quality? Apparently, no one can be held accountable for anything.

        I'm just unclear why the lawsuit went after her personally. Why her bosses at the time were never prosecuted. That was Obama's job, but he made clear in the first week or two that he wasn't going to touch any of it.


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      one difference between the atom mafia and folks like us is that they are organized and that they have a goal… and yet, David brought down Goliath, right, I wonder where the achilles heel is…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Patrick Moore always has been involved with pro-nuke.

    "Patrick Moore was a leading figure with Greenpeace Canada and subsequently with Greenpeace International between 1981 and 1986. In 1991 he established a consultancy business, Greenspirit Enterprises, "focusing on environmental policy and communications in natural resources, biodiversity, energy and climate change."[1]

    Moore began working for the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, in 2006."

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Patrick_Moore

    "front group" ..indeed..

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Front_group


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      Infiltrators are among us always .
      What a shame
      And the masses still look to greenpeace
      Money and power corrupts
      Has beens


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      • We Not They Finally

        That's the way it's done. I still wonder what happened to Occupy. But I know the way it's done. People need to be WAY SMARTER, for one thing.

        The 9-11 truthers got derailed by disinformationists too. Steven Jones. Total DOE shill. Look to Judy Wood — she is fabulous! Figured the whole thing out. Cold fusion brought those buildings down. Steven Jones was pushing "controlled demolition" just so everyone would go shut up. He apparently public wrecked the careers of the scientists who proved cold fusion, back in 1989 — probably so they could steal the patents and then, instead of using them to produce energy, put them into weapons.

        People need to be MUCH SMARTER. Learn how the process works.


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      They see the writing in blood on the wall. It's not enough to fight the good fight. You have to fight the right fight. Know your enemy. Aim high.


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    • Questionit

      The best way to control the enemy (opposition) is to lead them. When I am critical of Greenpeace in a discussion I am viewed as a traitor. People are holding onto their blind beliefs and loyalties. Greenpeace was always controlled and for some reason protected Democrates in particular in addition to PR for the govt..

      Why climb an oil rig in Russia and never show up in BP's Gulf of Mexico? Why their absence in making headlines about the sea life die offs from Fuku? Why now that there is a real killer of the polar bears (instead of some future threat of global warming) do they ignore it. Code Pink is controlled in somewhat the same way but seem to be more about politics only, once Obama became president they went quiet.

      For others it's just motivation by money. Such as Michael Moore who now supports more nuclear plants. Arnie Gundersen is very suspect to say the least.

      And they get their opposition to give money to them which they then use for their own purposes.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Appreciate the sentiment. Just PLEASE don't diss Arnie Gundersen. He's just cautious and looking for back-ups in science as he goes. He's a totally honest man and he turned whistleblower out of conscience and conviction. He also gives forums where whistleblowers can collect. Like Japanese doctors VERY upset about the medical situation there. WE NEED ARNIE GUNDERSEN.

        And not, I'm not dissing your criticism of Greenpeace. Or of the whole environmental movement at this point, either. (CO2 is the enemy? Hey, guys, ever hear of plutonium?) It just HURTS people who remember when the left-wing had any teeth, but got co-opted by corporate rule. They remember when Greenpeace had more teeth too. It just hurts, and people are slow to adjust. But what would be best is a STRONGER Greenpeace.

        A friend of ours in NY just told us hat WBAI (the long-time progressive radio station) may be about to fold. But because so many there have folded to corporate interests just to stay alive, that they are losing their progressive base. And that's bad for America — it's VERY bad for America.

        And we are ashen about Michael Moore — horrible shock. It doesn't negate his other work, but it's appalling.

        It's oftentimes better to educate people than to antagonize them (though no, you are hardly a "traitor"!,) but as someone too often at the far end of fury myself, maybe I'm not one to talk….


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        • Questionit

          Arnie Gundersen is the Minimizer in Chief, he advised people not to take iodine just after the initial event, he claimed there was no evidence of contaminated tuna and so on. He was paid $180 to $300 an hour for his work. His interviews where he minimized Fuku's effect on the US are used to overshadow the voices of the true effects.

          You call for a stronger Greenpeace? You want stronger opposition? Greenpeace is controlled why would someone then want them to be even stronger?

          The one I left off that really confuses me is the Sierra Club. What is happening on the west coast is screaming for their attention – but nothing from what I've heard. They were once a legitimate group but now the national office must not be. Still surprised the local chapters are silent.


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          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            Many of the environmental groups, women's rights groups, etc were funded by the CIA to steer the public to whatever thought process fit the current needs of the ptb. Gloria Steinem admitted Ms. magazine was funded by the CIA link to proof of CIA funding:
            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a1M9EAly2hog&refer=home

            We need to stop having sacred cows…Whether it be Arnie G., Greenpeace, or the Sierra Club. There is no cavalry coming to save humanity from the nuclear cartel. We need to stop blindly believing people/orgs, and use critical thinking.

            The bad news: there are no heroes…we have to save ourselves.
            The good news: the power to save ourselves is in our hands.


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            • Homolumina Homolumina

              yep, that's what they do, they fight their enemy with whatever they have… I remember back in the 70s in GER when the RAF, a former left winged group of intellectuals, was militarized by the KGB so they could scapegoat and then destroy them. A friend of mine was involved as an under cover agent, so I know first hand. He was later found shot after trying to get out…


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          • We Not They Finally

            By "stronger," I don't mean "stronger as is." I mean what we would have expected of Greenpeace "in the old days," that's all.

            I relate to your upset. We're on the same side.

            Just don't diss the precious FEW scientists out there who are probably still fighting their own previous mind-sets and don't move forward until they see the science. But they're moving in the right direction quick as THEY can. And we can have them or we can have all the patently DIS-honest scientists!

            Like Chris Busby — he got flak for not thinking that the radiation could cross thousands of miles across the Pacific. Then he saw the findings on dead sea life littering the floor of the Pacific. And he realized that aerosolized particles (like uranium and plutonium from the blown-up MOX fuel at reactor no. 3) had settled down all through the ocean killing the plankton and poisoning the whole food chain upwards.

            So he CHANGED. And now he says it is "truly terrifying."

            Not everyone works at the same rate for the same reasons. But watch their PROGRESSION. Like Gundersen has already moved a long way. He's just cautious. It's who he is. He's not dishonest, just cautious.

            Though again, I relate to your upset totally.


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            • We Not They Finally

              What happened to Greenpeace, what happened to the environmentalists, bad forces co-opting and mis-directing… It's Orwellian for sure. Now left is really right and it's hard to even find one's way across the street….


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              • Underneath it all is consciousness.

                Everyone has a portion of it. Some have more than others. Some have almost none.

                Those who cannot see or listen, are blind and deaf, even though they have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

                Feel sorry for them, because they are dead in terms of consciousness. Where they are going, they need pity. This life is but temporary.

                Everyone makes a choice with free will. Those who choose to stay in the 'dead' zone are making their choice. They are the walking dead, like zombies.

                Those who are conscious, more aware, well, they may be worth paying attention to and hanging out with, and learning from.

                Birds of a feather tend to flock together.

                Be careful about who you 'fly' with long term.


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            • +100000

              Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater..

              No one is perfect in all ways or in all positions.

              No group of people is going to agree on ANYTHING, even within an anti nuclear group.

              Get 12 anti nuclear people together and talk about what to do, and how bad it is, and you will end up with heated disagreement.. and that is within the anti nuclear movement.

              Try not to shoot the messengers.


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          • DanielVincentKelley

            Yup, yup and yup. There's a bunch of goons who got sold on depopulation and divide and conquer and they think they're doing a great job applying murderous disinfo and withholding info from The Public at large. Bunch of wretched turds.


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        Q:
        A short history synopsis seems relevant here.

        Sierra Club started in the 60s.
        They were viewed as very dangerous by the govt (for simply taking any sort of stance that would question business as usual).

        Then the suits infiltrated SC and used it a a money (salary) machine and it became more than compromised.

        After years of little to no results "working within the system", Green Peace was founded out of frustration with the poor results gained from the Sierra Club approach.

        Green Peace raised the bar and offered civil disobedience and "in your face" public messaging about serious issues. The latter process proved to be too slow for many people. It became clear that
        there were some issues that should/could not be negotiated.

        Out of the frustration of GP tactics, the Earth First! movement was born. With emphasis on "movement".
        Direct action was the primary tenet of EF!
        That meant what ever works as long as no on gets hurt.

        Like this
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Coronado
        http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/8/jailed_for_facebook_friending_animal_rights

        EF! intentionally had no hierarchy, hence could not be infiltrated.
        It was extremely compartmentalized, much like Anonymous.
        There was no one person or group the govt or business could go after to make EF! go away.

        Monkey wrenching events were very covert, yet almost no one associated with EF! ever knew who did "it".

        The EF! Journal was the paper equivalent of ENENEWS back in the 90s


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        • Questionit

          That lines it up well. Had not known how frustration with the co-opting of one led to another being formed.

          Seems we must step back and look at our organizations every so often to see what their current status is.


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        • We Not They Finally

          fireguyjeff, never even heard of Earth First, but that is REALLY interesting. It does take a core of committed activists who are NOT opening the coffers to the wrecking crews.


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          • Shaker1

            Many Earth First! people have gone to jail for their actions. They are some of the people who will set fires, participated in tree-sits at proposed logging sites, etc. to achieve their ends. But they are decidedly non-violent to humans and animals. They generally have strong anarchist leanings. One won't find some national organization or fund-raising efforts beyond the requirements of legal counsel. Infiltration, which the government on a lot of levels did and does do, just exposed small groups or extremely active people who by the number of their actions played with the odds of getting caught. What they got was generally a circle of like-minded friends. PETA 'organization' is along similar lines. Just do a word search.


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        • American Phoenix57

          "I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth today and, we humans have become a disease, the Humanpox."
          - Dave Foreman, Sierra Club and co founder of Earth First.

          "Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license… All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
          - David Brower – first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute – quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet (p.166).

          "There is a single theme behind all our work: we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador… To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females. The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death."
          - Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs.

          "The environmental movement promises to bring greater numbers into our orbit than the peace movement ever did."
          - Carl Bloice, Communist.

          They're all compromised by the socialist Agenda 21 movement.


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  • Nick

    HOTR

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Carbon has been made the enemy by lots of "green freaks" and as a result a renewed push for nuclear worldwide.

    Now that Fukushima has screwed things up, it is hard for these same green freaks to eat crow and dismiss nuclear as an energy option.


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      I have asked this and will ask again why isn't 350.org all over this .? Fukushima I mean
      I wonder what their agenda is
      They have garnered quite a following of the middle class and are very organized .
      Went to an event last week they had about keystone
      Not one of them was talking about this
      I'm flummoxed ….

      Will know more tonight after attending uranium film festival film .
      It's posted on the event forum .
      Boston area


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      • usagi usagi

        clamshellernh,

        The answer there is that Bill Mckibben is the founder of 350.org and is a nuclear shill. He loves nukes and rage against fossil fuels must be convenient for them. I wonder how much he gets paid by the death peddlers?

        I'd rather have 100 Keystone XL pipelines through my backyard than one more nuke plant anywhere in the world…


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        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          Well I know occupy has issues with this group too .
          Well seems to me there is work to do
          Lol


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        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          You have any commentary from that camp on it ?
          I'll look it up later too


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        • bo bo

          Amazing find, thank you, usagi.
          clam I always wondered why environmentalists only want to talk about keystone, too.
          I agree with usagi, if someone forced me into choosing one or the other… I'd much rather 100 keystone XL pipelines running through my backyard than one more nuke plant on the planet anywhere. :(


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        • We Not They Finally

          clam and usagi, the whole diversion of what could-have/should-have been a united front against NPP's is distressing, but it's like a slip-slide and hard to reverse. Like Michael Moore who you think would at least have some populist common sense, going all corporate and nuclear?

          YES, we have work to do with what should have been "our own." It's just both politically and monetarily daunting. I remember turning to my husband when the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court travesty came down and asking, "Why aren't there a million people in the streets?" Then there was the inane tale that it was PLANES that brought down the WTC, and the Arabs obviously did it, which at least 40% of NY did not buy from the start.

          But where did it go and what are we left to work with? It's terrible to just feel at the mercy of events. But the brave need to keep speaking out and look for cracks in the armor where they can be found.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      You will love this one and the year 1945 stands out like a sore thumb in the charts/graphs indicating Nuclear Technology as the culprit and the increasing radiation background readings as a cause for what ever warming we (the Earth) may be thinking we are seeing. WE are being microwaved/cooked!
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552948/Google-Earth-shows-CLIMATE-CHANGE-Regional-temperatures-1850-added-mapping-service.html


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  • Nick

    There is NO SUCH THING as safe nuclear energy.

    It's just a mistake, pure and simple.

    But folks are scared to SLOW down nuclear investment, hence we still mine uranium, lots of plants under construction, etc.

    I blame carbon-credit schemers directly for Fukushima….you can't promote nuclear as carbon-free and then expect accidents to NOT derail the industry.

    But since the nuclear industry has derailed us all, nothing matters anyway.


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    • We Not They Finally

      The whole "carbon-free" lure was just the latest opportunistic thing. Once they got people shanghai'ed into thinking that CO2 was more dangerous than plutonium….

      The people who shanghai'ed the environmental movement couldn't give a crap less about CO2. The name of their game is money and power, not anyone's health. It's just a tactic, a ploy. They'd say that the Moon was made of green cheese if it would disempower your voice.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Incidentally, Al Gore (HE was supposed to be our great leader? Good God!) said within the last year that "I assume they'll find a way to deal with nuclear waste." Seventy years and counting, Mr. Gore. And they don't give a crap about it even now, except when they are forced to. And I guess that you don't give a crap either.

        Garbage in, garbage out. But we do have to gravitate towards people whose voice is true and clear and look for some break-through. Apprehensive that any "break-through" might also involve chaos. But these are dark times. We have to do the best we can.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    As if.. carbon increase could not have be addressed by switching to renewables ..and genuine conservation …without promoting nuclear death traps.


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  • hexagon

    It only took one day for an event to happen in the US after the discussion of terrorists attacks. I wonder who will be blamed for this one?


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  • usagi usagi

    Usagi's three fundamental truths about Safe Nuclear Power:

    1 – You can claim an infintesimally small probability of reactor control, cooling, and/or containment failure, but you cannot make it zero.

    2 – Regardless of the probability, the consequences of failure are the same: contamination of air/water/soil, ruined lands, lives, and health.

    3 – When failure eventually occurs, that infintesimally small probability of occurance that you carefully calculated doesn't mean squat. Nor does the excuse that the seismic forces exceeded your design assumptions for the containment. Your death vault Pandora's box broke open. You own it.

    I came up with these a little while ago, while trying to provide insights on why the newer "safe" reactor designs are far from it.


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    • We Not They Finally

      That and worse. People do not even now that a gram of lethal nuclear poison can kill a million people. And they wouldn't even know it until they are dead. Then the survivors would have to prove that the cause came from thousands of miles away.

      It's demonic. (Don't have to be religious to grasp that one.)


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      • usagi usagi

        Absolutely correct! The above kind of assumes that the reader is already aware of that lethality. Those points are useful to point out the stupidity of trying to engineer away the risk, as with the AP1000 or ESBWR reactor designs. The risk is not going to zero, and you can't even definitively conclude that the risk has even been reduced by a factor of 10 with all of the possible points of failure. Power plants in general, and nuclear in particular, are complex systems where many, many things can go wrong, and one of them eventually will. We've actually been very lucky that it's only been this bad in the nuclear age so far.


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      • A gram of nuclear material is the size of a US dime.

        For those who don't know metric system.

        Spread out over an acre equally, 1 gram will permanently make 2 square miles uninhabitable.

        Death, death, death, nothing but death comes from nuclear..

        Then add on Deadly orgone energy on top of that…

        nuclear is death on steroids.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    https://www.facebook.com/events/257815957717026/

    @bo too
    Sorry for posting this here but want you folks to see it for those of you that may be new too . Boston event

    Anyone familiar with this nuclear engineer ? Any suggestions for questions for him tonight ? I'll be checking in here off and on today for any . Thanks in advance

    High Power, a 27-minute documentary about the health issues faced by residents of Tarapur, a town in Maharashtra, and home to the 50- year-old Tarapur nuclear power plant, recently won the Yellow Oscar in the short film category in the Rio de Janeiro leg of the Uranium Film Festival.

    Women's International League for Peace and Freedom and the Cambridge Peace Commission has invited nuclear engineer-turned-environmentalist Pradeep Indulkar to show his film High Power on Thursday February 6 at 6:45 at the Cambridge Main Library , Community Room, 449 Broadway, Cambridge, MA.

    High Power, a 27-minute documentary about the health issues faced by residents of Tarapur, a town in Maharashtra, and home to the 50- year-old Tarapur nuclear power plant, recently won the Yellow Oscar in the short film category in the Rio de Janeiro leg of the Uranium Film
    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    There used to be huge radiation readings from Carlsbad, NM on the EPA monitors after Fukushima, until the present EPA director had the monitors taken down.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS HAPPEN . . .

    People downwind get nuked.

    Happens that way, every time.


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  • By the application of the precautionary principle and scientific principles, dams caused wipp to get WHIPPED by FIRE just as KYSHTYM did on 29 September 1957.
    See
    http://glaringlacuna.blogspot.in/2014/02/carlsbad-new-mexico-wipp-truck-fire-5.html


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    The big picture is that no-one is downwind anymore. We all are


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Did Stuxnet play a role? How hard would it be to find this out?


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    A small number of Shoguns runs Japan. What does or does not get done is decided by them. It looks like they have decided to chance it. By that I mean count on a miracle . . .
    Zen Buddhism has been Japan's greatest achievement–with a little help from China; Fukushima Daiichi has been or eventually will be their worst–with a little help from the USA. Currently I do not see anything going on there that could be labeled progress in the positive sense. There seems to be no real plans. Three years almost and practically nothing to show for it. So they are chancing it. No earthquakes. No further internal unexpected events. Just what? thousands of years of waiting for dilution.
    What does Lady Fortune say? Read your Chinese cookie.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Let's put Mr. Nasty is a salt cave, isn't that the same kind of wisdom why the sinkhole in Louisiana got so bad?
    The down winders in S. Utah, would all go outside and look to see the flashes from testing. They still sued Unka Sam regardless. We are all indeed down winders now.


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  • Nick

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fire-prompts-evacuation-nuclear-repository-22380709
    Rep. Steve Pearce, R-N.M., issued a statement characterizing the event as a "minor fire."

    "It is critically important to note that at no point did the fire threaten the waste disposed of at the WIPP, nor was the community or public ever at risk,"

    Shill enough!

    Told ya they'd say all was well.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6EanXzEHro&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU6EanXzEHro
    February 2014 Breaking News MUST SEE Part 1 of 4 Fukushima & Worldwide Nuclear Waste Crisi – YouTube
    This is long but right on topic …
    Good for the beginner here on enenews too
    I'd say score one for the activists in yucca
    I am curious
    Will we be seeing a push once again to store this
    Who benefits financially from yucca for one
    Is this all the govt
    I found it disgraceful that the rate payers paid for yucca too
    This is a great video explaining in detail what we are up against in storing radioactive waste
    And it must be new as they're not many views and no comments
    Great links too

    Sent from my F-iPad


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      This also has the cavern in this enenews piece here discussed …in detail prior to this event


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    • Ontological Ontological

      Yep all that money to be told, "Well Hell gee. were all just gonna stash it up at that there big ole kitty litter box called Mercury Nevada. Welllll Helllll.


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    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      Not reassuring. I did not know that John McCain considers himself an expert on disposal of nuclear waste. The solution is to find a way to de-contaminate. It would no doubt be costly. Best in the meantime to use coal. The nuclear realm is too dangerous for human beings to play with. Same with genetics. We lack as a species sufficient virtue.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      I just spoke with the "Assets Manager" (Plant Manager) on site for the Rancho Seco Nuclear Power Plant just south of Sacramento. He told me plant managers all over the country have filed suit against the DOE. They are trying to force the DOE to quit dragging its heels, and to find a long term storage solution. I got the impression from the person I spoke with the DOE is not being quick to respond to the need for a long term storage solution.

      The plant manager told me the lawsuit information is in the public domain at the NRC website. If I can find the link, I will post it here and at the Nuclear Forum area.

      Good to know many of the plant managers are aware of the risks of on-site storage, and that they are pursuing litigation to try to force the DOE to take action.

      The DOE's position is it is safe to store the waste on site for 200-300 years. The plant operators do not agree with this position.

      Interestingly, the plant manager also told me dry cask storage, while initially more expensive than storing fuel in fuel ponds. Storing fuel in dry cask storage is more economically feasible and less expensive, in the long run, than fuel pool storage. (There are likely far less environmental impacts and releases into the environment of pollutants, as well, although we didn't discuss that aspect.)

      I think this falls under the heading of "environmental impact" litigation.

      Thought the 'Newsers would like to know this.


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        Ya know…. they're making forks and spoons and golf clubs as fast as they can. sheesh.


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      • Storage is just part of the strategy to SHUT THEM ALL DOWN


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      • flatsville

        HoTaters, Yes, Please do post that link if you find it. Scream it out RANCHO SECO SUIT LINK otherwise I may miss it as it goes down the memory hole.

        FYI for those not aware…Rancho Seco is no longer operating. It is owned by a publicly owned utility (one of a few) and closed on a popular vote.

        Most NPPs in the US are owned by public atock issuing corps acting as a public utility.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @Ho Taters

        It bears saying once more: THERE IS NO SAFE PLACE TO STORE SPENT NUCLEAR FUEL. Not onsite, not hauled long distances to another place. It is a little safer to put it in dry casks. My guess is that the money that was there for this purpose, like the Social Security Trust Fund, is no longer there. It was probably moved to the general fund long ago.

        So those who work at the plants have finally figured it out? Good. They will never be safe and neither will we. I hope you've read Robert Alvarez "Spent Fuel Pools in the U.S."


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  • We Not They Finally

    Pretty sketchy report on Carlsbad. We're sitting here in Albuquerque, in a "sandwich" between Carlsbad and Los Alamos. The RAD readings are periodically insane, it's almost NEVER below 100 CPM, and late this past December it zoomed up to over 1000 CPM according to the EPA Radnet.

    We've not native to this area, but honestly, the population seems unconcerned. Disturbing. We're trying to move.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      It zoomed here in S NV like that BEFORE FUKU. Same pretty much there. Granit has a high background.


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    • Shaker1

      WNTF, that's really too bad. My heart is there, built my house there, even loved the cholla and prickly pear. But NM is what it is today because of exactly this, the pouring of federal money into the state. Circumstance had me trade what you have for the Pacific NW…Not sure which is worse in regard to rads. I guess even Pardise had contradictions.

      I do have a question, though. Seems to me there are many natural sources in the area. My neighbor had a small underground mining operation (gold/copper) to the northeast of Albuquerque, and I enjoyed helping him with equipment fabrication, refurbishment, and maintenance. I was somewhat aware of the presence of such, particularly radium. I imagine that with all the development in the Sandias and the ever-present wind and dust (dirt, really) that it might be naturally high. Do you know the difference in count before Fukushima and afterward?

      I hope you find somewhere where you can be more comfortable, just as intiguing and beautiful, yet less harmful.


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    • digitalaardvarks digitalaardvarks

      i was supposed to move back to calif. this year. where do you think is safer than new mexico? that's where i am now.


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  • I gotta say, I ran trucks for over a decade along the 401, busiest highway in North America, located in southern Ontario. Maybe twice did I see a truck on fire. As an operator, a daily circle check is mandatory for safe driving. My truck never caught fire. so obviously safety is lax in the salt pits of nuclear waste.


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    This story was over and done with yesterday. It is just another distraction from the real issues.

    1. The economic crash is coming and being aggressively prepared for by the babylonian govt who will use UN blue to conquer America.

    2. Fuckushima is going off in a major way and they are NOT telling people how bad it is. THIS IS A HORRENDOUS CRIME. The plan of babylon is that they will cause the crash and shut down of the country into martial law, so then no one will be able to speak out against the ELE. When America losses her freedoms because of a contrived EVENT, that will be the condemning to the slow death no one will even know anything about. The radiation will kill off all the mercenary foreign communist troops also.

    3. More war will also be used to cover up the imminent economic crash that may happen as soon as March. Some sort of something to blame someone will happen as it always does. These evil cretins do not know how to change up the game of evil warmongering and conquering innocent countries for their resources.

    Time is short people. Something wicked besides this continuing poisoning of the earth by fuckushima is going to happen soon. Prepare for yourself and those you love the best you can. What you think is valuable today, might be completely worthless tomorrow. Get what you need in mass quantities NOW! Prepare to seal yourself inside if you have to. There are many protocols one can use to get ready for what is coming. Please do.

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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    It has been repeatedly shown over millennia that people who practice Yoga (including meditation)have a much higher survivability than people who flow along with the masses. I think in addition to following the news on radiation, it might be beneficial for persons to investigate Yoga and consider practicing it.


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    • arnoldinup

      Capt.Nemo …… What Yoga has done for this hatha-Yoga enthusiast is that it has changed my focus about global events in this brave, new 21st century.
      Our species, homo-sapiens Rex, is in the process of overwhelming the planet, and the 'process' has become juggernaut.
      It seems as tho we're not satisfied with turning the Gulf of Mexico into a petrochemical slurry, we've now enlarged our scope to include the Pacific Ocean.
      Ahhh!but we're 'living large' here in these great United States. Like lemmings headed for the abyss.

      Greetings, all, from 'da U.P. of Michigan !!


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      please check Dr. Bruce Lipton "The Biology of Belief" – when we are able to relax our body-mind-spirit, our DNA uncoils and starts accumulating photons along its structure – me too I am convinced that we can evolve into homoluminous and be not affected, but in order to do that we need to be correct… by definition of Human Design


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  • Nick

    Capt Nemo….

    Why would BREATHING DEEPLY help us survive Fukushima's fallout? Seems like one would end up with more nano particles inside one's self.

    Chanting might help.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    I'm very concerned right now because I'm trying to call an elderly friend who lives there, not far from that facility. I'm unable to reach her. I'm sure unless the releases are horrific, the citizens there will hear the BAS (business as usual), "no immediate harm to human health" message.

    Was the plant evacuated?


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  • Nick

    J Tekton:

    Given how we are being lied to when it comes to anything nuclear, I just don't see any real truth leaking out, except in nano-sized bits.

    The game is clearly to OBFUSCATE.

    Everyone who has a functioning brain pan should, by now, have their alarm bells clanging.

    Nothing like a little confrontation to obfuscate the horror that is Fukushima.


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  • Nick

    HoTaters:
    see my post above (1:06pm)
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fire-prompts-evacuation-nuclear-repository-22380709
    Rep. Steve Pearce, R-N.M., issued a statement characterizing the event as a "minor fire."

    "It is critically important to note that at no point did the fire threaten the waste disposed of at the WIPP, nor was the community or public ever at risk,"

    Note: "minor fire."


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    The problem itself is very simple. Humans make mistakes. They drink a little too much. They are on a prescription drug that has a surprising effect on their bodies (keep in mind that around 30 million people in the USA use some form of psychiatric medication, not to mention those that have been recycled for other usages). They have heart attacks. And it only takes one little event to set in motion a colossal destructive happening. That is the obvious reason why you should wisely not set society up to be too interdependent. With too many advanced devices that can fail. People have way too much faith in machines and other people. Where did this idea of perfection come from?


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  • rockyourworld

    why would anyone live in new mexico? dont they read? I recently begged my aunt and cousin to not move there. I bet land and homes are really cheap there.


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  • rockyourworld

    oh, and they moved there anyway!


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  • Joe Ebslap Joe Ebslap

    This just in – Truck driver had three bananas in his brown bag lunch and they got too close together creating a critical mass of bananas yielding a bunch of trouble.


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  • A Message for the future.

    "The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, or WIPP, is the world's third deep geological repository (after closure of Germany's Repository for radioactive waste)…"

    "…licensed to permanently dispose of *transuranic radioactive waste for 10,000 years that is left from the research and production of nuclear weapons."

    It is located approximately 26 miles (42 km) east of Carlsbad, New Mexico.

    -> This is the MESSAGE:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_Isolation_Pilot_Plant#Message_for_the_future

    They should make a second message sign that says…
    [Sorry we F'd things up. Hope someone is alive to read this sign.]

    What a list. :(
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transuranium_element#Discovery_and_naming_of_transuranium_elements

    *transuranic:
    The transuranium elements (also known as transuranic elements) are the chemical elements with atomic numbers greater than 92 (the atomic number of uranium). All of these elements are unstable and decay radioactively into other elements.


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  • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

    Permanent disposal of transuranic radioactive waste? No such thing.


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  • jump-ball jump-ball

    FDNPP getting rare national media coverage now to 10mil Coast to coast radio listeners. Steve Elwart, started 4' ago, and the show repeats at 2am pacific


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