TV: Isn’t Fukushima Daiichi at least a 21 on International Nuclear Event Scale, equal to 3 Level 7’s? “Global catastrophe… Disaster of unimaginable proportions” (VIDEO)

Published: August 22nd, 2013 at 1:55 pm ET
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Title: Interview with Kevin Kamps
Source: The Thom Hartmann Program
Date: Aug 21, 2013

At 1:15 in

Kevin Kamps, Beyond Nuclear: 7 is the highest rung on this [INES] ladder which is global catastrophe, in my words.

Only Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi have reached the seventh rung on this scale.

But as a colleague John Laforge with Nuke Watch in Wisconsin put it back at the time 2 ½ years ago, while there where 3 meltdowns and 4 explosions at Fukushima Daiich, isn’t that at least a 3 times 7, or a 21 on the scale? […] The ocean’s just getting hammered at Fukushima Daiichi.

At 7:00 in

Thom Hartmann, Host: A disaster of unimaginable proportions […]

Watch the broadcast here

Published: August 22nd, 2013 at 1:55 pm ET
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35 comments to TV: Isn’t Fukushima Daiichi at least a 21 on International Nuclear Event Scale, equal to 3 Level 7’s? “Global catastrophe… Disaster of unimaginable proportions” (VIDEO)

  • Gasser Gasser

    Sing it like Kenny Rogers

    The Nuclear Reactor Gambler

    On a radioactive summer's eve

    On a train bound from nuclear Hell
I met up with a Uranium gambler

    We were both too contaminated to sleep

    
So we took turns a-starin’
    
Out the window at the meltdown disaster
    
The fear overtook us, he began to speak

    He said, "Son,

    I've made a life
    
Out of polluting' people's places

    Knowin' what the odd's were
    
By the fear they had in their eyes


    So if you don't mind my sayin'

    I can see you're got the fear son
    
For a drink of your uncontaminated water
    
I'll give you some advice"

    So I handed him my bottle
    
And he drank down my last swallow

    Then he bummed my last joint
    And asked me for a light

    
And the night got deathly quiet
    
And his faced lost all expression
    
He said,"If you're gonna play the nuclear game, boy

    You gotta learn to play it right"

    You've got to know when to bullshit 'em

    Know when to not tell ‘em
    
Know when to walk away
    
Know when to run

    Cont'

  • Gasser Gasser

    The Nuclear Gambler cont'

    
You never count your blood money
    
When you're sittin' at the NRC table

    There'll be time enough for countin’
    
When the death dealin's done

    Every nuke reactor gambler knows
    
That the secret to money survivin’
    
Is knowin' how many MOX rod's to use
    
And knowin' how many are in the pool

    
'Cause every bad water pump's a loser

    And every meltdown a potential ELE

    And the best that you can hope for

    Is to die in your sleep"

    And when he finished speakin’
    
He turned back toward the window
    
Took one more hit off the Ganja fatty
    
And faded off to into Cesium's death

    
And somewhere in the darkness

    The gambler he never broke even
    
And in his final words
    
I never found faith that I could keep

    You've got to know when to cold’em
    
Know when to shut 'em down
    
Know when to walk away

    And know when to run

    
You never count your blood money

    When you're sittin' at the NRC table

    There'll never be time enough for countin'

    When death dealin' radiation is done

    • or-well

      Gasser, I appreciate what you do.

      I've found several song reworkings you've done as I've caught up on a couple of weeks of news here.

      Taking what for some will be familiar, or even comforting, and transforming it can stimulate a shocking disconnect, a rewiring of thought patterns.

      Who knows, for some that may lead to new mental patterns forming around certain ideas, maybe kickstart a different awareness.

      I am not one who thinks such efforts are a waste of time or frivolous, and I know there may be personal discomfort in creative efforts of this type, so I say Thank You.

      • We Not They Finally

        Gasser, you haven’t yet done, “These Are a Few of My Favorite Things.” Dreading exactly what you might have to say-sing….

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    Bottom Line: Chernobyl had 180 tons of nukefuel, 3 tons burned and the rest stayed in the basement.
    …Fukushima had 2200 tons of nukefuel, about 100 tons of radfuels blown skyhigh and scattered for miles, and the rest has gone to hell on the beach.

    I had all this figured out by the end of March-2011..

    http://www.japantoday.com/images/size/x/2013/08/mccainabe.jpg

    And now we have pro-nuke MccCain in Tokyo this week, but not a peep out of him about Fukushima.
    McCain is a wimp compared to Sen.Ron Wyden

    goog: mccain forrestal ..for a peek at his firefighting experience

  • A Level 21+.

    My comment from the other day.
    August 19, 2013 at 8:22 pm ·

    IMO – I would call it at least a level 21.

    Level 7 X 3 Meltdowns = 21

    Add in a few extra levels for the crumbling Unit 4 Spent Fuel Pool and water storage leakage issues, (to name a few), and it's more like a level 25.

    http://enenews.com/officials-level-1-nuclear-incident-today-at-fukushima-plant-today-extremely-high-radiation-levels-found-leaking-near-unit-4/comment-page-1#comment-374033

    Note: Should the Spent Fuel Pools 'fail' or another major earthquake/tsunami hits those water tanks, then this could easily move up to a Level 50 or 100+. Should I be concerned then or now?

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Yes, and how about we give some numbers for each criticality event that is taking place without "containment" so that all of us downwinders inhale the lovely products like I-131, aerosolized plutonium, etc. This is not a discreet event, but an on-going catastrophe.

      Radioactivity is INCREASING at Fukushima, not decreasing. I-131 indicates criticalities on a regular basis. If we add a 7 for each criticality out of "containment," then what number are we up to by now, after all this time?

      A. In the hundreds
      B. In the thousands
      C. In the millions
      D. Other

      http://optimalprediction.com/wp/upsurge-of-iodine-131-in-japan-daiichi-on-fire/

      • RichardPerry

        Chernobyles fuel was contained so was a lucky 7 but 311 is a unlucky 13 for each melt down or a total of 666 gone to hell. lol

    • m a x l i

      @ChasAha, level 50 or 100+?

      Don't worry! Level 100 cannot be more than 250 bananas, I guess.

    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Yes ChasAha,

      That was certainly your quote, and boom, there's an article about it (stating that same logic). haha!

      He says that level 7 is the highest on the INES scale…but when the latest incident happened with the water tanks, they declared it a 3 out of 8 on the INES scale. What is this new, 8th level event, and why wasn't it referenced in this article?

      Just assuming…..8th level means multiple reactors involved in meltdown? Doesn't matter anyway, 21+ is closer to the truth…

      It should actually be a potential level 2870+ (level 7 for the approx 410 reactors worldwide), because the Daiichi event has the power to knock down the rest of the dominoes. So far, there is nothing stopping this.

      An evacuation radius needs to be considered, oficially, for what would happen if even just sfp4 was to drop the rest of its contents, and every single nuclear facility of any sort within that radius must be shutdown and decommisioned immediately. Then an official radius established for the entire radiological payload of the entire Daiichi site and all stored water. Every facility within THAT zone must also be decomissioned, and all 100% of all nuclear fuel must be moved out of that zone.

      We are talking about most, if not all of Japan. This must be done. If Daichii pops with all that material still in Japan, then yeah, level 2870+. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

  • razzz razzz

    TEPCO is the personification of Murphy's Law (Anything that can go wrong will go wrong).

    A 6.0+ quake rolling through Daiichi now would be devastating with saturated ground, some radioactive, ground movement would be amplified. Do they have hard lids/covers on those holding tanks or is rainwater going to overfill them and slosh out? Did they put dip pans underneath each tank to catch and divert any leaks? Is TEPCO going to need more shredded baby diapers to stop leaking tanks?

    A tanker ship used for holding radioactive water would also be problematic as water would breakdown into hydrogen gas so there couldn't be any sealed compartments, compartments would need to vent.

    Why TEPCO is not unloading Unit 5&6 fuel pools is beyond me. Do it while you can and it is still safe to do so even as a precaution.

  • bo bo

    in regards to that murphys law – I'm actually surprised no worker haven't gone totally insane and postal/kinkaku temple yet to add a whole new twist (or ending, rather)

    • norbu norbu

      No one has gone Fuku yet? Soon………..
      N

      • We Not They Finally

        Why don't they send Obama? Obama wants to send Caroline Kennedy (of all people)! We've been furious that he wants to nuke that iconic "first daughter," and sent letters, but it does nothing. We know that he would NEVER send his own two.

  • Wynd Wynd

    here's what you need to know about McCain
    http://bit.ly/1dvh0EU <this is science based research not street B§….

    where`s the delegation of real nuclear engineers
    actors are well paid but the show is overwith at Fuku§hima….

    the media is so saturated with fraud they are literally resisting discussing any thing that is fact..they are again§t it….

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      that vid purports that Henry Winkler is Ahmadinejad which isnt true as you can see from teeth, eyes and other features. I dont know what McCain was doing in there? Maybe Winkler plays McCain, or McCain plays Ahmadinejad. Agree with the rest about the media

  • jk641

    Is it just me, or is this site slow to load lately?

    • weeman

      I would suspect there is a lot more people visiting the site, welcome, you ain't going to like what you read.
      Time to tune in and pay attention.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Excellent advice weeman!

  • This site has on again off again denial of service attacks coming from Virginia, you know where…

    Enenews was actually shut down for a time..

    We bet someone was celebrating somewhere, yea; we got those anti nukers good.

  • Of course, the attacks on this website might be over with (we hope). In that case, we would also welcome all visitors, and hope that this site slow loading is ONLY due to tons of visitors and first timers…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I am pretty sure this site and all our comments are being recorded via the second internet and not unlike the "seconds of delay" found on satellite communications this will tend to bog the load times..

    Have no fear as they (our big brothers and sisters residing in government) are surely concerned too!

    • AntonButler

      Well, Obewan, that is a good thing, because
      when a nuclear pro (nutcase) reads something which is true,
      usually there is a POSITIVE effect on his brain.
      Some people however have eyes which do not work so well,
      and their brains have a half life of 1 million years
      for them to get half the message.
      By which time we will be gone somewhere………..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    There must be a hard documented record for those that will land here in the future.. 🙂

    I am sure all the data facilities are being harden as we all type these thoughts and tidbits of wisdom.

    Nice thing though is we citizens are all paying for it all!

    Expect a new plea for more/higher/increased taxes my friend…

  • We Not They Finally

    Thom Hartmann is great, on all issues, really. He's just (obviously) had to keep Fukushima off the U.S. radio show. But just last week, he did have Kevin Kamps on his radio show. We hope that the suppression is lifting. I don't think that he was NOT reporting as his preference. He'd far rather report, and maybe now (although for scary reasons) he can.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      wntf, Thom Hartmann is good, I agree. Did anyone see there is a Rad Alert in Long Beach, CA today?

      Also, on the Epa website they went into the air and food reports from 2011 and 2011 and revised them 8/7/2013
      http://epa.gov/radnet/radnet-data/erd.html
      Why would they feel the need to do that unless they were hiding something?

      I did not have a hard copy, so don't know what was changed. Did anyone out there download one? It would be interesting to see what they "revised"