TV: “Japan’s worst nuclear nightmare” — Yale Professor: Removing fuel from Fukushima Unit 4 pool “has me very scared” — Tepco: “We believe it’s not dangerous” (VIDEO)

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Mark Willacy, ABC News (Australia), Oct. 31, 2013: Hidden inside the twisted remains of the Fukushima reactor 4 building, and perched precariously 5 stories above the ground, is Japan’s worst nuclear nightmare. It’s a deep pool holding 1,300 used fuel assemblies [...] Tepco is finally ready to start removing this 400 tons of highly radioactive fuel.

ABC’s Interview with Yale Professor Charles Perrow, author of recent article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientist about Tepco’s upcoming attempt to remove fuel from the Unit 4 pool: “This has me very scared.” He warned that one slip-up with the removal of this highly radioactive fuel could trigger a chain reaction. “Tokyo would have to be evacuated because cesium, and other poisons that are there, will spread very rapidly. Even if the wind is blowing the other way, it’s going to be monumental.”

TEPCO’s Yoshimi Hitosugi: We believe it’s not dangerous.

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103 comments to TV: “Japan’s worst nuclear nightmare” — Yale Professor: Removing fuel from Fukushima Unit 4 pool “has me very scared” — Tepco: “We believe it’s not dangerous” (VIDEO)

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    TEPCO – " We believe it’s not dangerous."
    well they're on their own with that assessment. I think they have their fingers crossed…or they've had their brains removed….or both….probably both.


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  • J.

    The following link will be of interest to those who are looking for constructive ideas:

    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=11630

    There are many pertaining to the water contamination issues. The same group presumably evaluates ideas about fuel removal and corium cooling.


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  • behappy1

    Tepco: “We believe it’s not dangerous”

    I believe them.

    A rare time indeed
    Tepco lies so much that when they do speak the truth
    people won't accept it.


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  • We Not They Finally

    They believe it's not dangerous? THEY'RE dangerous! Lock them up!

    Of course it may be that it's already all fallen down. Which we would know one way or another HOW? With no reports even on the effects of the monster typhoon or the 7.3 earthquake.

    The thing is, if they think it's "not dangerous," there is a job opening to manually run the crane to do this. I say send in this guy from TEPCO who says it is "not dangerous.' We'll meet him at the other end.


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  • behappy1

    Watch audience uproar after official says
    “there’s nothing in the fuel pool to burn”

    http://enenews.com/gundersen-tepco-watch-audience-uproar-after-official-fuel-pool-burn-video

    All kinds of post on here FOI's, early pics of smoke

    http://enenews.com/nrc-spent-fuel-pool-4-dry-enough-lead-catastrophic-explosion-destroying-containment-pool-leakage-structural-damage-pool-area-exist-mar-29-foia

    #4
    http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp2/pict64.jpg

    its what everyone is not talking about
    don't want to cause a panic.

    That building exploded, burned, and was half demolished by tepco
    By the time it got water, the damage was done


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  • VanneV anne

    There were more than used fuel assemblies in SFP #4. There was live fuel from reactor #4, and fresh MOX fuel assemblies ready to refuel reactor #3.

    I can't imagine that they built such a crane inside the new structure at unit #4 if there was nothing left to burn.

    With all the huge detonation of unit #3 and the explosion the next day, unit #3 is still extremely radioactive, because there was still a lot of radioacive, damaged fuel left.

    All the pictures show lots of debris either above the spent fuel pool of unit #4, or lying above damaged fuel assemblies in the pool.

    There are conflicting reports, because conflicting reports have been written.

    I suspect that the people were outraged when the official said that there is nothing left to burn in the pool, because they probably have heard from workers that there is plenty of damaged fuel there.

    I suspect that TEPCO doesn't want to lose the money it is receiving for clean up or to have someone else come in to be critical on what has been since the accident.

    I wouldn't count on there being nothing left to burn in SFP #4.

    The radioactivity levels are so high around units #1, #2, #3, #4, which all have had explosions. There has to be huge amounts of corium and fuel still left in these units.


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  • Sickputer

    Elnd typed these pixels of light: "..maybe they are telling the truth. It may have already burned…"

    SP: I have thought so also, but have changed my mind. The reason is pure math. 400 tons of nuclear uranium pellets inside 94,500 fuel rods at Unit 4 (each of the 1500 metal fuel assemblies contains a honeycomb grid of 64 holes containing 63 12.5 foot skinny zircaloy clad fuels rods loaded with uranium pellets (bullet-sized). The 64th hole is for a boron control rod.

    So think of it…how long would a mass of 400 tons of small uranium pellets burn if the cooling pool was empty?

    My answer…many, many weeks, possibly many months.

    I think Japanese nucleorats sent hundreds of suicide workers to their death as they shored up Unit 4 in those first weeks. Those deaths are very hush-hush, but I think one day we will find proof. They were successful in repairing Unit 4 spent fuel pond to a semi-working cooling pond. Not perfect, but it did stop the heavy burning of the first 90 days. Later in 2011 and into February of 2012 there were some very bad re-ignition days and fallout from those fires at Unit 3 and 4 was massive. The Northern hemisphere received a big dose via the jetstream. That was what really caused the ocean sea life anomalies we have been experiencing.

    I think there is a huge punch left to go in the mangled and charred fuel assemblies at Unit 4, not so much at Unit 3 because of its spectacular blast. The MOX at Unit 3 makes it equally dangerous.


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    • Socrates

      Agreed.

      There was too much inventory to have completely burned off. It would have been measurable.

      Documents may be based on third party observations and reports. Such reports by the NRC as the #4 were not first-hand, were preliminary, were partially correct, based on instrumentation, etc.

      It is contrary to experience that that many rods could enter the atmosphere and not be measured.

      This is why there are depositions of the authors of documents initigation. Long before trial in civil cases there is questioning of the authors to see who and what the contents of the declarants in the documents are based upon.

      When water boils in a spent fuel pool, it is hard to measure levels at any given time. Multiple instrumentation is always used to corroborate other observations in SFP levels.

      A FOIA request produces documents that reflect panic, hearsay, conjecture, surmise, and premature conclusions. I believe Arnie posted a recent video with two experts discussing how to take a water level in.a spent fuel pool. It isn't as easy as one might think.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    The process is fairly simple. Lower a transport cask into the corner of the pool, move the rod assembly closest to it into the cask, remove the cask from the pool. There is room for the cask to move safely in and out without disturbing the racks. The critical move is the assembly from the rack to the cask. By always choosing the nearest assembly, they won't be dragging them by the other assemblies, but rather away from them. That means the true critical time for each assembly is when the assemblies are first grabbed by the crane and separated from the others. It is a very short period of time. This is probably the logic TEPCO is using in considering the process safe.

    And given that they will be starting with the new rods, which are ("should be") cold, the tight packed maneuvers will be performed on cold assemblies. After they are removed, there will be more room for maneuvering when they get to the spent rods.

    Now the primary danger comes in primarily when the crane grabs the assemblies. If the assembly is deformed where the crane locks onto the assembly, it might not lock properly and come loose during transfer to the cask. Or, if there is structural damage to the assembly, say from sea water or burning or impact, part of the assembly might break away from the part that is locked to the crane. Or if the assembly is sufficiently bent to where it can't be grabbed and lifted and sewithout touching other assemblies, it could set off a criticality.

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    • dosdos dosdos

      One thing in our favor is that the rods are relatively cool. They have been in the pool for three years. The reactor was shut down for refueling, which means that the newest of the spent rods have seen a year of usage and aren't that fresh The vast majority are even older than four years. This gives a little bit of a fudge in the timing of the removal, since older rods take longer to create a criticality when in close proximity.

      So maybe they can pull it off, if the locking flanges are undamaged, if the assemblies aren't too badly damaged or warped. And TEPCO is not going to be using subcontracted labor to move the assemblies. There won't be any hangovers or shakes, it will be a crack engineering team who understands the dangers involved.

      Yes, it's a very dangerous process with very serious consequences if things get screwed up. Maybe we will get through this alive. Let's hope we do.


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    • VanneV anne

      It takes at least 5 years to cool the assemblies under the best of circumstances. But With fresh fuel that hasn't been used in the reactor, and plutonium which is unstable at lower temperatures, and all the damage and continual criticalities, there is too much fuel that isn't cool enough to be moved. And the fuel isn't so cool when the zirconium has been damaged. And if there are new leaks to the pool caused by an earthquake, and another earthquake when removing a rod… It is easy to make it sound safe. But the experts who are sounding the alarm, are wise and should be listened to. And the experts who have given advice and been ignored because there isn't enough money to do the job properly should be listened to. The whole world is at stake. The risks are too great. The world has listened to the nuclear industry ignore the risks for too long.


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      • dosdos dosdos

        I'm not predicting that TEPCO will successfully move all the assemblies safely. I'm just hoping that they do.

        Keep in mind that it will take a year, at least. And if they take the freshest spent fuel last, it will have close to the five year period for cooling. Keep in mind that the pool has been getting more water flow than under usual operations, and that the cool down rate is quicker.


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        • Socrates

          Good points for both discos and Anne!

          There experts see huge danger with some hope.

          How does one remove damaged fuel rods?

          Very carefully……

          I see a ray of hope.

          The success of the operation will.save us until the next catastrophe. It is a no-win paradigm…


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  • razzz razzz

    Forget who gave the link but here is TEPCO's video about the soon to be Unit 4 fuel removal operation.
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/library/movie-01e.html?bcpid=59368209002&bclid=347242463002&bctid=642054611002

    Nice drawings and some photos of the fuel assemblies that have handles on top and hold the slender fuel rods that actually contain the fuel pellets. One photo has a removed assembly laying down with one fuel rod sticking out of it with some guy looking at it.

    The video omits that the empty reactor core will be used to temporarily hold the casks and the fuel assemblies will be moved underwater from the pool to the reactor core then loaded into the cask.

    When TEPCO decided to replace the reactor shroud (like they had done in Unit 3), they had to empty the reactor core and temporarily place the entire reactor core fuel load in with the stored fuel. The pool was never designed to hold normally stored spent and fresh fuel plus the added weight of an entire reactor core load. The pool is crammed with fuel and is over its intended weight limit. Adding the weight of a cask in the pool itself would be scary even if they had the room. Wonder how the reactor core is going to carry the weight of a cask sitting inside it.

    Of course TEPCO doesn't go into detail just says 4's core was empty for inspection.

    TEPCO did reinforce underneath the spent fuel pool to help support it but only after the quakes and explosions weakened it.


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  • jackassrig

    There's not an overhead crane in #4. A crane can not be built that will be perched on a loopsided building to pull the rods straight up. If TEPCO thinks they are going to use hand signals to position the crane, they are smoking wacky backy. I don't know what they will be using maybe block and tackle but it won't be an overhead crane.


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  • jec jec

    TEPCO: "We believe its not dangerous?" So IF there is an explosion and MORE radiation affects MORE of the world..does TEPCO have the ability to PAY or repair for the radiation damage/ NO. No one does. So why do the world governments just put their heads in the sand and ignore this looming extinction event? Would Lloyd's of London INSURE Tepco's liablity. NO again and again because its an unlimited disaster which is on going!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    All that matters to TEPCO is the profit margin…

    Fukushima operator returns to profitability, faces uncertain future
    Oct 31 2013

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/japan-tepco-earnings-idUSL3N0IL0LP20131031


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  • "Tokyo would have to be evacuated" says the Yale professor. To where? 40 million people in Metro Tokyo which is in itself a trillion dollar economy. If there is a problem will they even let us know?


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  • or-well

    Here is what is allegedly in the #4 pool.
    1 7×7 assembly
    4 8×8 assemblies
    30 8×8 New Zircaloy Liner assemblies
    560 8×8 High Burnup assemblies
    736 9×9(B) assemblies
    204 9×9(B) unused assemblies

    That's 202 new assemblies after removal of 2 on 2012-7-18&19.
    Supposedly, there's 264 tons.
    You can even find out how long they've been cooling.

    http://www.cnic.jp.english/newsletter/nit154/nit154articles/03_nf.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This is not quite the proper analogy..
    But the spent fuel going up..considering I think it is only some small portion..IF ANY..would be rather like striking a match in a house already burning down.

    OT..sorta..

    Fukushima a possible reason for starfish ‘melting’ along US West Coast
    Oct 30 2013

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_10_30/Fukushima-a-possible-reason-for-starfish-melting-along-US-West-Coast-3984/

    "There’s massive evidence of Fukushima’s effect on the West Coast despite the silence from most western media, according to investigative journalist Michael Snyder. For example, earlier this month, Canadian authorities found massively high radiation levels in sea bass, with one fish showing 1,000 becquerels per kilogram of cesium.

    Added to that, plankton tested from Hawaii to the West Coast also contained high levels of cesium – 137, while California scientists detected same isotopes in 15 out of 15 Bluefin Tuna tested.

    "Surprisingly enough, even with the Canadian study showing the presence of cesium – 137 in 100 percent of carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish sold in Canada, Japan food is still being imported."


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Finishing out my OT moment..

      Fukushima: Apocalypse in the Making

      "I am not worried about ancient calendars, or alien invasions for precisely the same reason that other people are, because people will blind themselves to facts in pursuit of their beliefs.

      People are blinding themselves, or allowing themselves to be blinded to the threat Fukushima represents."

      "Think not eating fish anymore will protect you? Where does the nitrogen fertilizer you put on your home garden come from? Or the fertilizers used on huge corporate farms? No, I am not worried about zombies or Mayans or Reptilians. I am worried about the blindness to the problems that are facing us right now."

      http://www.ghosttheory.com/2013/10/29/fukushima-apocalypse-in-the-making

      A warning about fish emulsion fertilizer.


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  • jec jec

    What is status of the Japan Cities built in foreign countries? Did the Japanese officials already send their families to live there? Would Tokyo residents be allowed to relocate to those areas..or the empty cities in China? With enough money (GOLD) anything is possible I guess. Does Japan have funds to support this potential disaster? Nope.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Japan lawmaker breaks taboo with nuclear fears letter for emperor
    10/31/2013

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/us-japan-fukushima-emperor-idUSBRE99U0ES20131031?feedType=RSS

    Fight the good fight…


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  • irhologram

    I don't believe this IS the worst nuclear nightmare. It is the beginning. That's why I don't feel this link is OT.
    2013-10-29 – Monumental amounts of methane pluming into the atmosphere in the Arctic:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/climate-crisis-unfolding-methane-coming-from-arctic-at-an-all-time-high
    http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/10/methane-over-arctic-ocean-is-increasing.html

    Quote: "Released on 10/27/2013 by the USGS (photo above in the slideshow) are the latest readings of methane over the Arctic area. Methane that is being released above 1950 pbb (parts per billion) is in red. To put those numbers into context, what is considered a 'normal' release of methane? According to Dr. James Hansen, an American adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University, 1250 ppb is a livable level. We are now well surpassing that level daily."

    2013-10-29 – Toxic hydrogen sulfide-rich oceans led to major extinction 93.9 million years ago:
    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/10/ecoalert-toxic-hydrogen-sulfide-rich-oceans-led-to-major-extinction-939-million-years-ago-1.html
    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2013/10/29/126-Oxygen-free-and-hydrogen-sulfide-rich-waters-were-present-93-9-M-years-back.

    This cycle includes ocean heating from NPPs, and subsequent weather/climate events that compromise ALL of them.


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    • irhologram

      Quote: "Owens said that their work shows that even though only a small portion of the ocean contained toxic and metal-scavenging hydrogen sulfide, it was sufficiently large so that changes to the ocean's chemistry and biology were likely profound. He asserted that what this says is that only portions of the ocean need to contain sulfide to greatly impact biota."

      Note: Methane and hydrogen sulfide go together during these extinction events. Increased oceanic heat not only releases the stored methane, but the extra heat benefits the ancient bacteria and archaea that produce hydrogen sulfide too. Those ancient bacteria and archaea eat biomatter, but they also eat…methane. So, vast amounts of suddenly abundant food, and an environment more to their liking – what's a bacterium to do? Reproduce, that's what, a lot, and so vast amounts of methane being released leads to vast amounts of hydrogen sulfide being released too. And then the biosphere dies off, especially species that reproduce slowly, in small numbers and whose young take a long time to reach reproductive maturity. That's us.

      And say, it looks a lot like scientists are slowly and ponderously lining up behind what I've been saying all along…


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    • irhologram

      We're now at 1950 pub when 1250 pub methane/(H2S) is "liveable"!!!! Do only TWO of you "get this"!!??? As I've said before it seems ene-ers' heads are so far up your Fukushimas, you can't see what's (literally) in front of your noses? Where IS your critical thinking?!!

      2013-10-29 – Home explodes and burns in Severance (Colorado):
      http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20131030/WINDSORBEACON01/310300021/Crews-investigate-possible-home-explosion-in-Severance
      http://www.mywindsornow.com/news/8698241-113/fire-severance-crews-wednesday

      Quote: "Carol Estes, who lives on the same block as the house, said she was home at about 6:30 p.m. Tuesday when she heard a boom. She originally thought someone might have hit her house with their car, but after looking outside, she said she didn’t see anything. Estes also said she smelled a sweet odor."

      Note: At medium-ish concentrations, some people say hydrogen sulfide smells 'flowery' or 'sickly sweet'. If you smell something like that and there's no apparent reason for it, you might wanna start worrying and if you're not inside, get inside…

      2013-10-29 – Home explodes and burns in Rochester (New York):
      http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/explosion-sets-city-home-ammo-aflame-6965.shtml

      2013-10-29 – Raging inferno destroys 12 boats, 30 cars, numerous other vehicles and storage facility in Margaretta Township (Ohio):
      http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/4827781


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      • irhologram

        Does methane/H2S have to light a fire under YOU (R HOUSE) before you see the urgency? This isn't just cancer on down the road. People are dying NOW from this worldwide! Every day! Wake UP!


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        • NoNukes NoNukes

          irhologram,

          It is more than two, at least three. :-) I have been concerned about methane since Arto Lauri suggested in 2011 that the global unstable methane layer was actually the reason that Germany shut down their reactors, and that it was methane that did at least some of the damage at reactor 4.

          http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V71EclYZm2c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV71EclYZm2c

          Is the jumpingjackflash site yours? I have noticed that the majority of the events listed on the site are in the Northern Hemisphere, and I wonder if that is a result of the search terms used, or if there are more methane/H2S releases in the northern hemisphere.

          Regardless, thanks for you work bringing it to our attention at Enenews. My hunch is that the source of the problem is the earth's weakening magnetosphere letting in more energy, heating things up which leads to more releases, and Fukushima makes this problem worse, like so much else.

          I would like to have as much information as possible about what can be done.


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            Here is an outline of some of Lauri's points:

            NoNukes
            June 19, 2012 at 11:58 am · Reply
            Krsanna Duran
            http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?3409064-HAARP+in+Fukushima+and+methane+heating

            10. Reactors 1 and 3 exploded and pushed the heat directly into the bedrock.

            11. Methane accumulation about 2 meters below Japan began heating and affected a pressure balance that must be maintained. The temperature at that level should be 2 degrees Celsius but high heat had been continually pushed into the soil and rocks beneath Fukushima.

            12.
            Neutrons leaking from the reactors drilled pipe-like holes into the bedrock.

            13. The volume of methane accumulation under reactor 4 increased by 168 times. This is the theory of Nils-Axel Morner.

            14. Reactor 4, which contained no uranium, exploded with a blue flame that shot 1 km into the air and blew out a 14-metre thick wall. (Fairewinds speculated about a hydrogen explosion while considering the sparse information available during the event.) All the reactors had exploded like a chain.

            http://enenews.com/gundersen-people-on-us-west-coast-should-have-used-iodine-pills-to-protect-from-fukushima-radiation-after-311-video


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              NoNukes
              June 19, 2012 at 11:59 am · Reply
              15. Methane surrounds the earth at a depth of 600 meters and is 1 kilometer wide. Germany realized the danger of the unstable methane layer and shut down its reactors.

              Numerous fires at nuclear plants followed the Fukushima catastrophe and signs of heating of the magma (lava) at numerous volcanic sites in the Pacific followed. The number of large earthquakes of 5 to 6 magnitudes and greater increased throughout the Pacific and worldwide following the radical meltdowns of nuclear reactors at Fukushima. The extinct Nardo volcano in Eritrea (Africa), which had not been active in at least 11,000 years, erupted in July 2011.

              Krsanna Duran
              http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?3409064-HAARP+in+Fukushima+and+methane+heating


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              • irhologram

                No, doubt, Fukushima is contributing to.melting clathrates. BUT in a macabre way, it's heartening to REMEMBER that solar-system-wide melting of ice caps started well before 3/11… and the internally liquified Arkansas blackbirds (collected by guys in HAZMET suits…yes, you can die by coming in contact with something that died from H2S for up to 6 hours…AND what does that tell you about whether "they" are quite aware of this catastrophe?) …fell from the sky 3 months before Fukushima! Like I've said…while Fukushima is certainly dire…other mechanisms are at work here, and we would do well to remember that.


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              • irhologram

                No Nukes, I would suggest that while Fukushima is contributory, H2S is exploding the transformers, blowing up switchyards, crashing metal assemblies, and causing pin hole leaks at nuclear facilities. It devours metal, wood, rubber, and just about everything else…except graphene.


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                • norbu norbu

                  Sounds like we are done here on Earth.
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                  • irhologram

                    This an hour ago…you don't have to get this news from blogs if you know what you're looking for. "Smoke in the cockpit" is occurring daily now.

                    A Southwest Airlines plane headed to Albuquerque from Dallas Love Field made an emergency stop Thursday at Abilene Regional Airport after smoke was reported in the cockpit.

                    None of the 128 passengers on board were injured.

                    A replacement plane is being brought in so passengers can continue their trips.

                    Flying will become more and more risky.


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                    • irhologram

                      Ah, but was it REALLY H2S, you say. Well…evidence is mounting…
                      There are dozens and dozens and dozens of jet engine fires, tire blow outs, and landing gears collapsing…and people having seizures…people having "medical events…people DYING on airplanes…but where's the link to H2S? Well, here are a couple from American Airlines…

                      March 2013 Quote: "An American Airlines flight taking off from Orlando International Airport turned around and returned this morning after the pilot reported smelling a 'strange odor' in the cockpit…"

                      May 2013 Quote: "A spokesperson with American Airlines reported passengers on the flight reported smelling fumes similar to finger nail polish remover." Note: Nail polish remover has a kind of chemically sweet smell. Like medium concentrations of H2S smell…


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                    • irhologram

                      1 hr. ago: your daily "smoke in the cockpit." PITTSTON TWP. — A U.S. Airways flight from Philadelphia to Albany, N.Y., made an emergency landing at the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International Airport earlier this morning due to smoke in the cockpit, airport officials said.

                      There were 12 passengers and three crew members on the U.S. Airways flight who have all been safely removed from the plane. No injuries were reported.

                      Emergency crews from Dupont, Pittston Township and Avoca and airport safety crews responded to the incident just after 9 a.m.


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                • NoNukes NoNukes

                  Yes, when I was watching nuclear plants worldwide, daily, it was just POP! POP! POP!

                  Graphine…is all the rage! Nobel prizes, investment strategies…wonder why?
                  http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/graphene/

                  TechNavio's analysts forecast the Global Graphene market to grow at a CAGR of 60.4 percent over the period 2012-2016. One of the key factors contributing to this market growth is the growing demand for graphene due to its superior attributes"
                  http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/global-graphene-market-2012-2016-155800269.html


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          • irhologram

            NoNukes. That's very interesting about German motivation in shutting down nuclear. I stumbled across the Jumping Jack Flash Blog while looking for a more cohesive reason for events. I'm not so sure events are confined to the Northern hemisphere.
            2013-08-22 – Inferno destroys 150 homes along the M19 near Reservoir Hills in coastal Durban (South Africa): http://www.ecr.co.za/post/150-homes-gutted-in-durban-fire/

            2013-09-30 – Cargo ship 'CMA CGM Lilac' bursts into flame near Port of Table Bay (South Africa): http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/Container-Ship-Crew-Battles-Blaze-Off-South-Africa-2013-09-30/

            2013-09-10 – Smoke in the cockpit sends cargo plane to emergency landing in coastal Cape Town (South Africa): http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VIV-20130911-40885-ZAF

            2013-07-11 – Many fish dying in Lake Malawi (Africa): http://www.nyasatimes.com/2013/07/07/dead-fish-scare-lakeshore-residents-push-malawi-govt-for-speedy-investigations/ 2013-07-11 – Large numbers of fish reported …

            2013-05-09 – Transit bus bursts into flame while parked at bus depot in Dopeni (South Africa), fire spreads to second bus: http://www.zoutnet.co.za/details/10-05-2013/gnt_bus_destroyed_in_dopeni_village/19051 2013-05-09 …

            In 2010, NASA showed a photo of a large hydrogen sulfide plume off the coast of Namibia, on the western side of Africa .. There are pages and pages citing Africa. And how about that airport fire…cont.


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            • irhologram

              In 2010, NASA showed a photo of a large hydrogen sulfide plume off the coast of Namibia, also on the western side of Africa

              Quote: "The fire hit all of Copersucar's warehouses at the Santos port, igniting 180,000 tonnes of sugar – roughly 10 per cent of Brazil's monthly sugar exports – and driving prices of the sweetener to a one-year high on global …

              2013 – AUG – Animal Die-Offs. Useful link for tracking mass animal deaths: http://shockable.org/mass-animal-deaths-compilation/. 2013-08-31 – Five whales found dead in 10 days on beaches in Brazil:

              2013-10-25 – World Cup building under construction hit by fire in Cuiabá (Brazil): http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/25/world-cup-venue-in-brazil-catches-fire-while-under-construction/related/

              http://www.timesrepublican.com/page/content.detail/id/564051/Explosion-damages-Bangor-facility.html 2013-09-21 – Explosion followed by raging fire hits plastics plant near Belo Horizonte (Brazil), many injuries reported:

              Quote: "On August 12, the Ramco Crusader, a 223' OSV providing support for Petrobras drilling activities, caught fire and sank off the coast of Brazil.

              SOOO…no, I don't think this event is confined to the Northern Hemisphere.


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              • NoNukes NoNukes

                Irhologram,

                I said that I noticed that a majority of the events listed were in the northern hemisphere, not that they were confined to the northern hemisphere. I assume that this is because of search terms used by someone with a northern hemispheric perspective, rather than actually representative, that's why I asked if it was your blog.

                "Since nuclear plants have shafts deep into earth, the destabilized methane layer threatens to cause problems, explosions at nuclear plants around the world."

                Apparently, explosions of methane hydrates have caused tsunamis in the past:
                More from Nils-Axel Mörner, Head of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University (1991-2005) on Methane, methane hydrate explosively turned into methane gas:

                "Our group have documented and described this novel factor where methane hydrate in the bedrock is explosively transformed into methane gas. This is recorded geochemically in the varved sediments. It is also recorded as violent bedrock tectonization when the ice explosively is transformed into gas. The last event occurred as late as 2000 BP, and it set up a 20 m high tsunami wave."

                [PDF]
                From: Nils-Axel Mörner Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:35 AM To
                http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/050/documents/54635/54635E.pdf
                File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
                Feb 20, 2012 – my monograph “Paleoseismicity of Sweden – a novel paradigm (2003) describes 54 paleoseismic events in details (today we have a …

                LOTS of diagrams, from pg…


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                • NoNukes NoNukes

                  The theory of the threat of the methane layer is interesting because it would help explain
                  1. increase in earthquakes
                  2. increase in nuclear plant explosions
                  3. the shut down of so many nuclear reactors
                  4. mass die offs
                  5. unusual sounds
                  http://enenews.com/gundersen-people-on-us-west-coast-should-have-used-iodine-pills-to-protect-from-fukushima-radiation-after-311-video


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                • irhologram

                  But you, see, NoNukes, the majority are NOT in the Northern Hemisphere. And I posted plenty of examples, and there are a ton more…just type in a country in the jumping jack flash blog and you'll pull plenty of examples. A search engine problem is that it's not always possible to search through all foreign languages…but this does (quite thoroughly) appear to be a GLOBAL event. It would be a neat package to blame mankind, exclusively, as I've seen all here bewailing. But it just may NOT be so. But IF so, fracking would be on a par with nuclear because of the destabilization of the North American craton, which has is in synergy with the entire Pacific rim, given the fact that EQs and volcanoes release gas.


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                  • NoNukes NoNukes

                    This is a global issue. It appears to be part of changes occurring not only across the earth but across the solar system, as you said.

                    The protective layer around the earth, the magnetosphere, is weakening, by 10% according to NASA.

                    The protective layer around the sun, the heliosphere, is weakening as well, so more energy is getting to the planets.

                    All the planets are changing, not just earth.

                    This threat of methane, H2S, makes nuclear even more insane. Germany's reaction is the sane one, shutting every reactor down immediately is the only rational response, reactors are massive bombs perfectly vulnerable to these instabilities.

                    Suspicious 0bservers summarizes these issues and provides links, of course we should be suspicious of them too. Maybe NASA is covering for fracking. ;-) It is amazing how central the sun is to our lives, and how little we learn about it in school, in the media, etc.

                    Our world is changing
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woVitezc-zU

                    They blame you
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-RvUedfKpk

                    How to watch the sun
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5ecZuHECA


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  • irhologram

    "Last Hours" video is the first in a series of short films that explore the perils of climate change and the solutions to avert climate disaster. (Thom Hartmann)
    October 30, 2013
    While we go about our day, working, taking care of our family and doing life, a crisis that many are unaware of is unfolding in the Arctic that has been, and will affect, every living thing on Earth, including us. As recently as of Monday, October 28, 2013, consistently high levels of methane have been detected through the methane tracker that the Arctic News monitors.
    "A NASA science team has observed “amazing and potentially troubling” levels of methane and CO2 from the rapidly warming Arctic. Given the staggering amount of carbon trapped in the permafrost — and the fact that methane is a very potent heat-trapping gas — the space agency is now asking: “Is a Sleeping Climate Giant Stirring in the Arctic?”
    My note: Although this movement focuses on the Arctic, my observations are that this problem is GLOBAL. have you been watching activity at the LA "(24 acre) Sinkhole" in the last few days? its a major gas emitter. It would be a mistake to toss this info into a debate about whether global warming is real or not. It's more useful to stick to facts. The clathrates are melting, volcanic, EQ and fracking released methane/H2S are accumulating daily, to the degree that we have or will have reached "tipping point" shortly…


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  • nedlifromvermont

    oh boy … fasten your seatbelts … and let's start casking the spent fuel … everywhere for starters … anybody agree?

    great threads, but unsettling indeed!

    peace …


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  • All those comments above regarding global warming are not off topic. Fukushima, although the focus of these pages is only one symptom of a bigger problem. Corporate greed has given so much power to so few who wield it so very selfishly, while the rest of us act as if slack jawed yokels. You've got the gulf oil spill, nuclear melt downs, massive coal burning, traffic jams, planned obsolescence, the throw away society, melted starfish, a plastic sea, depleted uranium, constant conflict in the middle east for narrow interests, destruction of rain forests, destruction of old growth forests, dirty rivers and so much more that people in general seem to be ok with.
    There doesn't seem to be an answer.


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  • irhologram

    Another (gas emitting) EQ. The October 31, 2013 M 6.3 earthquake southwest of Hualian, Taiwan occurred as the result of shallow oblique-thrust faulting near the central-east coast of the island of Taiwan and the boundary between the Philippine Sea and Eurasia plates. East of the October 31 earthquake, plate boundary tectonics are dominated by the westward subduction of the Philippine Sea Plate beneath Eurasia along the Ryukyu Trench, which runs from southwest JAPAN to Taiwan. Some authors infer that this subduction continues beneath the east coast of Taiwan. South of the island towards the Philippines, the plate boundary reflects arc-continent collision more than traditional subduction. The October 31 earthquake occurred at the transition between these tectonic regimes, and is a consequence of the convergence between these major plates. At the location of this earthquake, the Philippine Sea plate moves to the northwest with respect to Eurasia at a velocity of approximately 77 mm/yr.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    At 6:26..in the documentary entitled.."Fish head" ..brains scans show that the corporate psychopath aka TPTB..are mentally deficient.
    And although they have gained the upper hand in Human society..( the meager workings of Humans)…they are leading themselves and others down a path of ruin..because of lack of complete mental processes required to be a complete Human.

    The planet Earth..is being run by a sub-species.
    Not an inferior species but an inferior one.

    Conspiracy UK Present – I Am Fishead – Documentary Film (2011)
    July 30 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDIT55KeKc


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    • andagi andagi

      Dear Heart of the Rose,
      Great find! You rock!! Every minute worth watching, powerful and so very well presented. Will be thinking on this for some time. Thanks :)
      "… 'Give me your power and I will give you security, or the allusion of security and all you have to do is what I tell you to do.' Many people are willing to give up freedom because it has associated responsibility, for the illusion of security." (47:39min)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDIT55KeKc
      'I Am Fishead'

      Aloha.


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  • weeman

    Do you believe that the SFP of four lost all it cooling water or partial, that left the tops of fuel assemblies open to air? Me yes.
    Why was there little or no steam from SFP after accident, was it dry and no steam or was full of water and hence no steam. The video of four blowing it's top is poor, but it seems to show a steam realease, in my opinion that is when they added water to the partially dry pool, if that is the case the fuel assemblies have been compromised by heat shock and will be badly damaged?
    I can not see them doing all that work if nothing is salvageable from pool?, the unused fuel assemblies are what they are after? My not have been in SFP but in the DSP?
    All smoke a mirrors, with little or no data to back up claims?


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  • Ron

    I wonder, are they planning to try to apply some kind of sealant around these rods before they remove them? Maybe something like a teflon paste. Course, I don't know if there is anything that can be applied that wouldn't immediately burn off. But I wonder. If they could spread something on them that hardens enough to keep the rods in place that would certainly help.


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  • irhologram

    They could apply graphene.


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  • irhologram

    Graphine. Not graphite.


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  • irhologram

    NoNukes. Out of my element on that one…but my thought was that not only might it be used for more effective conversion to electricity…but…
    Graphene is expected to be chemically and mechanically stable in high radiation environments because it’s tensile strength of 130 GPa is very large, about 100 times larger than most metals. The dielectric strength of such nano-capacitors exceeds 1 GV/m, because avalanching is suppressed at small gap sizes.
    http://server17.how-why.com/blog/netfiles/energyconversion5.pdf

    So, I dunno. Maybe extensive layering?


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  • Shaker1

    I just watched Tepco's video of the fuel removal process from SP4. Honestly, I'm severely troubled, and wonder where some of the experts are really at. Again, I've worked with zirconium, welded it, formed it, machined it, have actually worked with tubes fabricated for nuclear fuel, and have witnessed and started zirconium fires.

    First of all, I cannot for the life of me think that there wasn't some measure of burning in that SP in 3/11.

    So I look at that fuel assembly in that video, and I cannot think for a moment that it came from SP4. Zirconium, when exposed to oxygen, changes colors. As a welder one can grasp some idea of the oxidation by the colors. The material is grayish-silver to bright-silver in the normally supplied state. Oxidation is a function of heat/time of exposure. There is a color sequence that is typical. Light oxidation increasingly yellow progressing to a gold color, next is blue progressing to a very dark purple, then a profound yet reflective deep black, and very severe is a smokey gray to white. The smoke of burning itself is white. Colors can also appear at lower temperatures in areas contaminated with say, the oil from one's hands. Anyway, this process starts at about 400-600F. The reason that I mention these colors is that the fuel assembly in Tepco's video appears to be still silver. That would tell me that that particular assembly has never been over 400F in open air.

    Since somehow I can't accept that there wasn't some measure…


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    • weeman

      Your comment on hydrogen migrating from unit three to four, if so why we're the filters in stack very low in radioactive isotopes? With the amount of hydrogen that would have migrated , the filters should have show very height readings, they don't, not root of hydrogen to unit four, of course this needs to be explained.
      Could unit four imploded rather than exploded, morphed?


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  • Shaker1

    of burning in that spent pool, and personally don't accept Tepco's explanation for the migration of hydrogen from Unit 3 to Unit 4 (remember, hydrogen is lighter than air, and where are those ducts where the migration supposedly took place). One could entertain Patty B's theories and I guess come up with what's seen. Those are evident to me, though they could be true.

    I'll admit to being one who personally thought that what they have gone through at Unit 4 to get to this point was too much to be staging some illusion. Hell, now I wonder.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I think you are correct ..Ana.
    They are trying to show profitability any way they can.

    Gene Sperling: Fukushima and wage stagnation sure have helped U.S. manufacturing

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/31/gene-sperling-fukushima-and-wage-stagnation-sure-have-helped-u-s-manufacturing/


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    • Ana Ana

      Thank you for the site. Very interesting and too bad they did not think of this before they sent all the jobs overseas. I am trying to do a serious economic article on the impact of fuku and really appreciate the perspective of how it disrupted the supply chain enough for businesses to consider bringing jobs closer to the consumer.


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  • Shaker1

    Well, it's too bad Arnie Gunderson wasn't smart enough in his bit with the zirconium tube to really illustrate what could happen with the material. If he'd closed it at one end, even with some steel plug, at one end, suspended it in a a jar of water and heated it from the inside while in the water he'd have done better. There is no oxygen in the torch flame that he'd used to heat it, effectively shielding the material. The experiments that were done regarding the possibility of fires in reactors were done with tubes in which they inserted electric elements. Once the water formed a steam envelope around the tube, I'm sure it would have gotten very interesting.

    The fires that I started happened in machining chips that I'd allowed to gather. (I know. It's stupid to machine dry, but one avoids having to clean the material afterward, which can be a time-consuming process. Done dry, it eliminates that.) It's a very hot fire, and we took care to try not to let it happen. Also, the resultant ash is very abrasive. Not good for the machines. Powder is very dangerous, as from grinding, and the commercial accidents that I know of with Zr happened at the milling (as at refining and separation) process, when the material is separated, and the storage of the resulting fines is generally in 55 gallon drums filled with water. Grinding, as with a grinding wheel, yields bright, white, hot sparks.


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