TV: Man has teenagers over to play with nuclear reactor in his basement — Must wear radiation badges — As young as 7th grade? — Wants to ‘restock’ nuke industries (VIDEO)

Published: March 13th, 2013 at 9:40 pm ET


FOX Seattle, March 12, 2013: We don’t always know what our neighbors have inside their homes, but you might be more than a bit surprised if you discovered one of your neighbors was operating a nuclear reactor in his basement [… Carl] Greninger boots up the fusion reactor every Friday night so that a group of high school physics students can use it as a hands-on learning experience.

“You may be wondering, all of the students who work with the reactor actually wear a radiation protection badge and have never recorded a measurable dose.”

KPLU (Emphasis Added): Why are kids in Federal Way playing with a nuclear reactor? […] Greninger is a Microsoft IT manager, and doesn’t have any nuclear engineering experience per se. But he settled on building a nuclear fusion reactor in his house, and inviting teenagers to help. […] Greninger bankrolled the thing himself (he declines to cite a figure, but says it was well into six-figure territory) […] As for the law, Greninger is apparently in the clear. Because the fusor doesn’t use radioactive fuel, it falls under state regulations rather than the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The Washington Office of Radiation Protection did pay Carl a visit once after a neighbor raised some concerns. Health physicist Mike Brennan inspected the facilities. He saw the safeguards, the shielding and the radiation dose meters everyone wears. […] “I think that it is not only safe, but he is teaching safety, so a culture of safety is radiating out from his secret lab.” […] If Greninger has his way, some of these kids will restock the talent in America’s nuclear industries – making advances in energy, nuclear medicine and materials science. The significance of this kind of work isn’t lost on kids like Krystal, a 15-year-old from Auburn who’s been with the group since 7th grade […]

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Published: March 13th, 2013 at 9:40 pm ET


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56 comments to TV: Man has teenagers over to play with nuclear reactor in his basement — Must wear radiation badges — As young as 7th grade? — Wants to ‘restock’ nuke industries (VIDEO)

  • Proton

    Just set the dose-badge right over there on the desk while you reach in… No worries, see? No dose!

    bring em up right …

    • Proton

      Sorry, but trusting that guy with your kids on a Friday night?

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        Not on any night!! He spent well into "six-figures" for the "secret in his basement that attracts teens"??!!Hmmm,what was his name again?-"Chester______?" He might not have to "register" with the NRC-but falls under state regulation."Wonder what else he has to "register" his name & address with the State for?!! 😐 ~**

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      So you 'answer' to a gullible, uninformed populace regarding the risks of nuclear energy is to keep them ignorant and simply 'protect' their opinion from influence?

      That's pretty scary, Proton. The ability to think critically and act rationally is based on education and access to information. Censorship and ignorance are control tools. These kids are zapping a stream of non-radioactive deuterium gas with enough electricity to produce an occasional fusion and a lose neutron. Your smoke detector 'reactor' is more dangerous.

      Hanfords will continue to happen because the American public won't bother questioning abandoned radioactive glop tanks of mass destruction.

      Three-Mile Islands and Fukushimas will continue to happen because an ignorant population doesn't understand the risk of release and, hey – nuke plants are job-creators!

      Future presidents won't think twice about a public outcry when they decide to promote an Office of Air and Radiation (AOR) bureaucrat to head the EPA. If a stupid public doesn't realize what the squiggly lines in RADNET mean or don't mean, then they'll be just as easily duped as the people in Fukushima.

      You don't turn a teenager into a psychopath by encouraging their interest in physics.

      You turn them into psychopaths by first making them mindless debt slaves and then releasing them in a world full of psychopathic employers in countries governed by ignorant, psychopathic leaders.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        There are safeguards in an accredited academic setting. An individual without any credentials or liability is a loose canon. If there is lead shielding and radiation monitors, there is radiation and radioactive fuel. No one has the right to irradiate another person. This is not science, but murder.

        • Proton

          Thanks Anne for having my back while I was away… Will the kids object when he's irradiating them?
          I would guess they have been molded into believing that radiation from nuclear reactors is harmless and probably beneficial, and the dose-badges they wear are merely a formality…

      • Proton

        The smoke detector "reactors" you are referring to PavewayIII are Ionization-type smoke-detectors… They contain a very small button containing 0.9 micro-curies of Americium 241 according to my source book "The Elements" written by Theodore Gray…

        • SnorkY2K

          More accurately mostly Am241. I did work at a smoke detector factory for a while. They used to be enriched for about 90% AM241 with some 242 and 243 and other radionuclides in the remaining portion. A large portion of the Am was made with a process that exposed Pu to beta. We had two opportunities to adjust the detectors for variations. Some of our deliveries would be way out of range making the detectors insensitive and they would have to have their sources put in barrels and dumped into the ocean. The sources themselves were prepared in a way that emit far more ions than a polished surface that I have often wondered if they were more prone to losing daughter products.

  • lam335 lam335

    There goes the neighborhood …

    I'm sure having a nuclear reactor in a neighbor's basement would have a really great impact on property values if people knew about it. Who wouldn't want to live next to an atomic amateur with no "nuclear engineering experience per se"?

    People who run these things should have to register somewhere and that information should be public record so that people can make informed decisions about whether they want to invest in a home and raise their family next door to a guy who plays with radioactive material in his spare time.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    They should explore safe energy producing technologies, and dump nuclear, which is uncontrollable and unmanageable.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Ya Mom, look at how safe we are with the thermonuclear fusion reactor as we look at how close we can get to the drill Mr.Greninger is using.

    Look Ma, no safety glasses!

    Another pukular pr stunt. Another group of kids brainwashed into the cult of destruction…

    Students study nuclear fusion in Federal Way man's garage

    That's what this is … a great experiment. We are now in year three of this, and it's no longer, 'I have a theory.' We are looking dead in the face at facts.

  • Jebus Jebus

    It's nothing new, just another nuclear dead end…

    People have been building these for years and they take more energy to create than they produce.

    If we could harness fusion, efficiently, like the sun, it would have been done already.

    Trouble is, we would be just another tiny sun, if we could spark it off properly.

    Fusion works in the sun, because of the tremendous mass that it is.

    Uncomprehensible gravity and electromagnetism contain the perpetual event.

    Impossible to do on earth without turning into a torch.

    This is just a breeding ground for nucleocrats and their agenda.

    Wyoming teen makes nuclear fusion reactor in dad's shed

    Conrad is the first person in Wyoming, and one of about 60 in the world, to achieve nuclear fusion. Only about 15 of those are in high school

  • Jebus Jebus

    Nuclear Madness
    Maybe they get sick from all the money…
    Maybe they get sick from the power and want more…
    Read here and think. Some details of man made "fusion" are in the article.
    And some, of Bill's ideas are logical, some, are not…
    Fusion takes more than it gives, just like fission…
    If Fusion were feasable on earth, it would have been done already…

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos back nuclear power

  • lam335 lam335

    Can anyone explain the meaning of this for me:

    "… the fusor doesn’t use radioactive fuel …"

  • Sickputer

    "Greninger's love for all things nuclear came from his family and his time in the military.

    "After I got out of the Army, I did five years with the Air Force at Fairchild Air Force Base, and then I went on to do another five years at Submarine Base Bangor, and did things I will not confirm nor deny," he said with a chuckle."

    SP: Oh… Had a lot of fun time with manly men in the submarine? Did ole Hot Rod show you a Navy issue fusor? (Sorry…couldn't resist) 🙂 I am sure this lonely Microsoft nerd is just like your old uncle Earl back on the farm…a real friendly lonely old bachelor with a $100,000 physics toy for teenagers to play with on Friday nights.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    " … so a culture of safety is radiating out from his secret lab."

    If it's so great and so safe, why is it a "secret" lab? Do tell.

    Right, budster.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    There are laws against endangering the lives of minors and adults also. They got so many hot particles in Seattle from Fukushima. And they are not that far away from Hanford Nuclear Site.

    This man should have a radiation danger sign posted outside his house. If he was living in a house governed by a Home Owners Association, they would fine and evict him. The city should be responsible and protect the citizens living there.

    What does he do with his nuclear waste? Just throw it in the garbage can?

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Talk about toys to seduce children. If this man were a nuclear engineer, which he isn't, he would know that a reactor in his basement is a death trap.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Look at the graph to see how much more vulnerable to radiation these children are than this old man seducer. Krystal is the most vulnerable:

      raph to show how females at birth are most at risk of cancer and mortality from exposure to radiation:

    • Jebus Jebus

      anne, this is from my last post on this thread:

      “Fusion is the process that powers the sun,” General Fusion’s news release explains. “On earth, hydrogen isotopes are heated to extremely high temperatures allowing them to collide and fuse to form helium, releasing vast amounts of energy which can be harnessed to produce electricity. The fuel is found in abundance in seawater and the by-products of the reaction are safe for the environment. The fusion process emits no greenhouse gases.”

      Apparently there is no waste like fission…

      I am still looking for the exact byproducts…

      • Jebus Jebus

        The problem with earth bound fusion, is that it consumes more energy than it produces.
        Thats why it is not viable right now…

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “they will not leak radiation above normal background levels and they will produce less radioactive waste than current fission reactors.”

        And what is normal background level? And leaking radiation you think is a good thing.

        Also, because the temperatures need to be so high, they are much more likely to explode.

        "less radioactive waste" is not no radioactive waste.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        I read your post. We've debunked fusion reactors before.

        “nuclear fusion on a large scale in an explosion was first carried out on November 1, 1952, in the Ivy Mike hydrogen bomb test…

        “Fusion of deuterium with tritium creating helium-4, freeing a neutron, and releasing 17.59 MeV of energy”

        “Tritium (pron.: /ˈtrɪtiəm/ or /ˈtrɪʃiəm/; symbol T or 3H, also known as hydrogen-3) is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen”

        The fuel is radioactive.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Al Potenza
        December 22, 2012 at 1:07 am
        “The Swedish show is badly done. The editing is haphazard and the right questions are studiously avoided.
        “What was needed was an incisive interview with Rossi asking why he has not gotten independent verification of his claims by a RELIABLE and credible third party.
        “Kullander should have been asked about the missing isotopic data he promised a year ago on the copper residue he was given by Rossi.
        “Defkalion should have been asked to show the 20 kilowatt tabletop reactors they claimed they had two years ago (in their forum).
        “I don’t know what ‘ad hom’ attacks you are talking about. Many so-called investigators of cold fusion make wildly optimistic claims and none has yet delivered on the iron clad proof that any of them is true. What we have is a large collection of irreproducible and vaguely described claims for a process that has never been properly demonstrated.
        “The video was vague and poorly done and did not ask the right questions or interview the right people.”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Al Potenza
        December 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm
        “With due respect, Dr. Sarg, the Swedish video should have asked hard questions of Rossi and Defkalion, the only two claimants of kilowatt levels of power, neither of which has given any credible proof.
        “Pons and Fleischman had more than twenty years and 40 million dollars to improve on their original experiments and they never did. That’s their problem and not any so called debunking.
        “Rossi can prove that his invention is real by allowing independent testing as a “black box”. That would not, as you suggest, risk his intellectual property. He has never done that. Rossi also has never sold any type of ecat to anyone who would admit buying it, much less testing it. Rossi changes his story and makes new completely incredible claims almost daily. He never delivers on ANY of them. I have no idea why you would believe anything he says.
        “You have to remember that Rossi is a convicted felon and that he bilked the Department of Defense of the USA out of millions of dollars for thermo-electric devices he could never deliver and which, most likely, never existed. That’s his past history and you should consider it. His current activities are identical to those of others who turned out to be investment scams such as Steorn, convicted felons Carl Tilley and Dennis Lee, and a company called Sniffex which was closed in the USA by the FTC.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        December 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm
        “Well done in citing the internet’s creation of high speed easy access of information for everyone.
        “Cold fusion doesn’t work. It’s been tried to death in the ’50s and was abandoned in the ’90s, with a bunch of crackpots continuing to work on it without any results to this day. And the internet provides immediate access to this.
        “A horrible piece of journalism that serves as nothing but to put more nonsense in the heads of a public that’s already been seduced by other forms of scientific quackery.”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “Inventors also claim the mentioned “fusion” generates weak gamma and neutron radiation.[16] Radiation is said to be β+ corpuscular radiation with positrons (known from potassium 40-decay). They also claim they do not know the exact functional principle. The actual reaction chamber is estimated at a volume of about one litre and shielded by a layer of 2 cms of lead. In their patent application, inventors claim …”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “The Rossi nuclear reactor also needs a ‘special still secret ingredient.’ In the following quotation the 400 degrees is 400 degrees Celsius which is 752 degrees Fahrenheit.
        “I think Rossi claimed the internal temperature of this thing is 1500°C [2732 degrees Fahrenheit]. Commentator 2 pointed out that cannot be right, because the melting point of Ni is 1,453°C….”
        “Rossi believes the temperature at the core is 1500°C. [2732 degrees Fahrenheit]….”
        “Commentator 4 wrote:
        “I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction. He uses the resistive heating device to ensure runaway does not happen. If he tried to self-sustain, he gets runaway. With the added 400 W of resistive heating, he can operate the cell just below the runaway temperature.
        “This is why he mysteriously says that it will self-sustain; but, he does not do it…
        “Commentator 5 wrote:
        “… Obviously the average temperature was 400 ºC, while there were hot spots where the temperature exceeded the melting point of Ni, as it became fused in places. “
        “Commentator 1 wrote:
        “….He’ll go on saying that until Rossi has $100 million in the bank, and hundreds of installations and employees.”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “9. Conclusion
        “Strong nuclear signatures are expected from the Rossi energy amplifier and it is hoped that this note can help evidence them.
        “It is of interest to note that in [3] a mechanism is proposed, that strongly suppresses the gamma emission during the run (it is the same mechanism that creates very low energy neutrons, subsequently captured by the nickel. This does not suppress the emission after shut-down, which should be observed, together with the transmutations described above.”
        by Jacques Dufour

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Apr15-08, 10:05 PM , #10, Astronuc , , Posts: 17,658, Degree: Nuclear Engineering
        “The D + T reaction produces 14.1 MeV neutrons and 3.5 MeV alphas, and in that sense it’s radioactive. The neutrons will slow activate the structure enclosing the plasma chamber, so some of the structure overtime will become radioactive.
        “The D + D reaction produce p + T or n + He3, with about a 50/50 split in probability. T is a low energy beta emitter. In the plasma, T will react with D, n’s will leave the plasma, and He3 may react with D in an aneutronic reaction, (D + He3 -> p + He4).
        “There are other radiative processes in plasma that produce radiation, namely recombination (ions recombining with electrons – think Lyman, Balmer, . . . spectra) and bremsstrahlung radiation. With plasmas at keV energies, there is a fair amount of low energy gamma, X-ray and UV.”

  • lam335 lam335

    Here's a helpful article explaining fusion, though it's laced with occasional misleading remarks like this one: "No combustion occurs in nuclear power (fission or fusion), so there is no air pollution."

    "How Nuclear Fusion Reactors Work"

  • Sickputer

    Re: open Facebook profile for "Mr. Fusion"

    SP: very odd duck… Has only one relative listed? Daughter-in-law? So presumably he has or had a son. No mention of other family members. More of his "humorous" description of his former government secret work (Cannot confirm or deny). Oh well, it would be a boring old world if everyone was a clone.

    Thanks snowwy…sometimes I forget the biggest research outlet of them all…FB. A necessary evil for researchers although I cannot confirm or deny. >;->

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    The end of the E-Cat story? Andrea Rossi loses supporters for his "cold fusion" device
    January 15, 2013
    “The story of the E-Cat, the ‘cold fusion’ device proposed by Mr. Andrea Rossi seems to be losing interest everywhere. Yesterday, Jan 14, another of Rossi's supporters, Mr. Daniele Passerini, announced that he is abandoning the fray and closing down his blog, at least for the time being.

    “Mr Passerini's blog, titled "22 steps of love" has been the main focus of support for the E-Cat in Italy up to now. He says in his last post, titled ‘ad maiora’ that "Some time ago, I wrote that, after that two years would have passed from the date of January 14 2011, I would quit in any case in the absence of official and certain announcements on the reality of the E-Cat." Passerini states that he will be waiting patiently and "will return when the news that we have been waiting for during the past two years will arrive"

    “The closing of Mr. Passerini's blog comes after that, in November of last year, another of Mr. Rossi's supporters, Mr. Paul Story of ‘eCatNews’ declared that he would close his blog because, ‘with scant hope of Rossi delivering on his promises, I find myself wondering why I would waste any more time on him. If he is committing fraud, he should be pursued by the police. Interest in the man or the subject is now relegated to the level of curiosity, not dedication.’

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “Earlier on, in April 2012, Mr. Sterling Allen of the blog PESN (Pure Energy Systems) had been appalled at Rossi's behavior and had stated, ‘I apologize to anyone that I've encouraged to try and do business with Andrea Rossi, and I retract my endorsement’ even though he later continued to cover announcements about the E-Cat. (*)

      “The supporters of the E-Cat are still numerous and the marketing techniques of Mr. Rossi have generated a remarkable number of imitators. So, what we are seeing is not likely to be the end of the story. However, these defections are a clear symptom that the interest in the E-Cat is winding down. After two years of impossible claims, missed demonstrations, broken promises, and unverifiable endorsements, no other outcome was possible. “

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Not only is e-cat a radioactive polluter and unsafe from triple threat of the radiation it leaks out and the radioactive waste it produces and the extremely high risk of exploding radioactive particulate matter into the atmosphere from an explosion, it uses more conventional energy than the energy it produces.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “The Energy Catalyzer is a purported cold fusion reactor that is claimed to work by adding hydrogen to nickel to make copper, a reaction so ridiculously unfeasible it doesn't even happen in supernova explosions.[1]

    “It was created by two Italians, Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi. [2] They claim that their 400W input creates 12,400W of output heat.[3] In other words, a 31:1 ratio. Subsequent experiments which took Internet criticism into account produced less and less output.

    “Their claims raise a number of red flags, starting with the fact that they chose to announce their discovery at a press conference without publishing anything in peer reviewed journals. They tried to get published, but were rejected by serious journals. Their initial patent application was rejected. [4]

    “Rossi's 2011 demonstrations[5] showed neither measurable gamma nor neutron radiation[6] and there is no proof for the creation of non-natural isotope ratios in the alleged fusion products. Independent tests which might have proven a fusion process have so far failed.

    “Rossi claimed a 1 MW plant would be in operation by October 2011. His October 28th test put out 470kW! … though the ‘starter’ generator attached to the device (throughout the test) looked to observers – even supporters – rather like it could generate about 500kW.[7]

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “Rossi's credentials

      “Rossi claims a second ‘Laurea’ title (common term for a final degree at an Italian University with an obligatory doctorate) in ‘Ingegneria Chimica’ (chemical engineering) at Kensington University in California, a known diploma mill which was shut down by court order in 2003.[8]
      "Rossi has previously been convicted of illegal trafficking of waste materials and was arrested for gold smuggling and money laundering."