TV: Millions of dead sea creatures wash ashore in Hawaii — Carcasses found along miles of beach — “That should trigger some alarm” — “I don’t know what’s going on over there… I’ve never seen anything like this” (VIDEOS)

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KGMB, May 4, 2017 (emphasis added): Tens of thousands of crustaceans wash ashore along miles of Mokuleia beaches — There’s an odd pink tint to the sand along Mokuleia thanks to tens of thousands tiny crustaceans that have washed ashore.  But what the creatures are and where they came from is a bit of a mystery. “I don’t know what’s going on over there. But I’ve never seen anything like this,” said resident said Elisah Rivera. “And it’s millions, it’s not thousands, it’s millions. We actually walked all the way along the way, and it went all the way, about two miles down.”… It’s unclear what they are. Some say they’re crabs, others say shrimp, some suspect lobsters. The state Department of Land and Natural Resources says they appear to be baby shrimp… Environmentalist Carroll Cox he found about a dozen dead sea cucumbers washed up on shore as well. He believes the creatures are baby crabs. ‘There are other species. I just noticed sea cucumbers found in a small area along with the crab. So that causes concern when you have more than one species impacted with an event. That should trigger some alarm,” Cox said…

KGMB transcript, May 4, 2017: “It’s a mystery in Mokuleia as millions of tiny crustaceans wash up on shore.”

KHON transcript, May 2, 2017: “Last week we told you about thousands of toads washing up on the North Shore — now thousands of dead crabs washing up to North Shore beaches.”

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Published: May 26th, 2017 at 7:06 am ET
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  • laconic93 laconic93

    Fascinating Watson

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-27/us-deploys-third-aircraft-carrier-toward-north-korea#comment-9611880

    One month ago, when we first discussed that in addition to the CVN-70 Carl Vinson aircraft carrier group.

    After completing its maintenance period in Yokosuka, Japan, the USS Ronald Reagan departed for the Korean Peninsula on Tuesday.

    The United States is sending a third aircraft carrier strike force to the western Pacific region in an apparent warning to North Korea to deter its ballistic missile and nuclear programs, two sources have told VOA.

    The USS Nimitz, the Reagan and the Carl Vinson.
    Where have we seen those carries in another link Watson I posted a month ago and a bunch of douchebags said I was spreading conspiracy theories?
    Let me think, let me think, let me think.

    BOOOMSHAKALA!!!!!

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    http://www.rense.com/general96/USnavysink.html

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        MVB…my thought is that if the radnet is being intentionally turned off during radiation peaks and then possibly re-calibrated or filled in with fake data…and they know that everyone who looks can see it…how long before they just fill the data gaps seamlessly? Lets say some threshold either trips or alerts them to turn off the monitors..because they dont want the public to know the truth….it would be too easy just to 'roll the tape' of fake data. If they really dont want anyone to know. Strange

        • MVB MVB

          It's a 20th century leftover, @ CodeShutdown, of an era when most fathomed transparency, and such.

          They'll get there. They're obviously working on a timeline that resonates with some kind of "New Order Of OF THE AGES" (Seclorum). The saddest part of my "contributions" is that within just a few years, people like me will seize to even pose ANY kind of "threat". It helps them fine-tune the tweek'n algorithms. They know. I know.

          The future looks dystopian…

          Meow – https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/

          – MVB

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            MVB, my impression is that you present too much data for easy digestion. I would take that photo of the lightening under the schumman resonance heading, and overlay ONE radiation graph that goes flatline. This dramatizes the message. The flatline is an iconic concept. See, its graphic art, its show biz. The title…'they turn off the monitors" or better. You have one of the most convincing proofs of a wide spread collusion, a conspiracy. Few want to wade through, they want insta-message. Do you know the attention span is only one second now? One can only wonder how they pull it off. All the new kids out of college that are hired in those positions…how do they break it to them…"now listen Dave, you must turn off the monitors whenever there is an incident" What about the CTBT…it seems like their noses would sprout leaves and birds would nest. Really, it strains ones imagination as much as the world trade center thing. How is that wide spread conspiracy even possible…down to the FAA and the airliners in that case. It seems impossible, yet the evidence is as clear as a brick falling on your head. So the art….maybe mix pop art and the graphs…get some music going, make it into a mixed media video art piece…with the dead bugs and the crying earth and the flatlining and some creepy monitor goons

            • Code LOL I appreciate MVB's work better than my own, but also agree that one liners, and one charters have power.

            • MVB MVB

              Code – Thanks for the smiles. 😉

              Though… I'm not interested in easily-digestible "data-tainment". If you can't "digest" 100+ data graphs, you won't come close to being able to withstand the actual reality of what these graphs are HIDING anyhow. It's an "acquired taste" to look beyond the data… I don't do show biz. Make your own blog and use my posts as inspiration for your show biz angle, if you really feel like that's what's needed.

              BTW, The CTBTO is bound by secrecy, – very polite/cordial and such, but they're a useless bunch for non-members like the general public.

              I do my thing. I know it doesn't work. ENENEws does its tabloidesque thing: gets WAY more views. SO? Doesn't really work eiter.

              You want me to go tabloidesque, claim certainty when I actually don't know, make things catchy, add music, go for the dramatic effect? Those people that still require that dramatic effect, are just grooving on the scene. They're not serious, nor will they become serious.

              From what I've seen, "shock therapy" just doesn't work if you're aiming for the Truth of the matter.

              Though I can appreciate your suggestions… 😉

              I guess I've just been dreaming… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK3U92URi_c&feature=youtu.be&t=19m50s

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                MVB, I read and follow your thinking "If you can't "digest" 100+ data graphs, you won't come close to being able to withstand the actual reality of what these graphs are HIDING anyhow." But there are personality types…some are data oriented, most are not. They just want/need to know. You see it from your personality focus…like the man who holds up his book of fishing lures, hundreds of slightly different fishing lures, with the names of each one, the material, how its tied, what geographical area it is used and on and on. Some people spot airplanes. They keep an exhaustive journal of tail numbers, squad numbers, dates, location etc. If you cant "digest" my book of hundreds of squadron tail numbers, you wont come close to grasping the reality of the discipline and honor, the teamwork of military jets.

                The graphs ARE artwork, the study and so on. In music, we MUST keep them short, catchy and interesting, there is no choice in the matter

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            MVB, I enjoyed it. Get into video production, use your paintings and graphs. Pan across the graph…"our beloved….Trust….is dead" as you hit the 'flat line' of missing data. "your government turns off radiation monitors during nuclear accidents." Briefly describe how many hours/years you studied the phenomena, show that they track your website…we are just coming up to one minute video duration now…then the girl, some dancer, find at the university…get/make good techno like that. Show the cherished life, in perfect form, dancing….then superimpose the graph and get to the flat line again and all goes dead. Keep it less than three minutes. You will have a winner

      • danger kitty danger kitty

        MVB, I noticed in your recent post regarding Hanford that you plan to share "…some reflections on the non-physical dimensions of radioactivity at some point.)"
        Not to rush you, but could you give us the bare bones of the direction that would take? Curious bodies want to know.
        Thanks for your excellent sleuthing.

        • MVB MVB

          @ danger kitty – Hi. – Had to search my own blog for a clue as to when "recently" I might have said that. In 2013 it turned out: @ https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/the-hanford-site-holding-the-pacific-northwest-at-nuclear-gunpoint/ ,I indeed wrote, "My visit was not to drool over the science and the “amazing” engineering feat that was accomplished with the Manhattan Project, though, but to feel into this darkest of the darkest of humanity’s disconnect from the heart. (I intent to share some reflections on the non-physical dimensions of radioactivity at some point.)"

          Then I went to Japan in November 2013, and the "journeys" I had there on Ayahuasca (smuggled in), in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and just south of the edge of the exclusion zone north of Iwaki, FUKUSHIMA (Where I "called in" the energy of the disaster to "meet its nature"… had me so disoriented and in shock that I decided to stay clear of any talk about this angle altogether. Four years later, I'm still recovering, danger kitty. I knew the dangers in advance and I do not know how much longer I have to live. It is very rare that I get to do any kind of "hallucinogen" these days, but the few times I did, it's like I'm back at Nov. 13, 2013… Muscle spams, uncontrollable bawling, a freak'n heart-wrenching nightmare of unspeakable grief and sadness. IT IS killing me.

          I look at data for "entertainment". I couldn't handle the electrifying reality. Sorry

          – MVB

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        MVB, I don't know the energy signature for Uranium, but is it possible there has been more DU weaponry testing in Hawaii, and this is why monitors were shut off? Am aware some of the RadNet monitors check for Gamma, and the Beta monitors have been non-operational for a long time.

        Does DU leave a gamma signature?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      You left out a couple of "laka-laka-laka's" there.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    code, I have been lost in the postings for about a half an hour. Thanks for posting the link back to info about Buesselor using chitin to absorb contamination. I missed that back in the day.

    I read Stocks theory back then, but did not catch this.

    Buesselor must be a real dumb shit if he did not connect the dots

    • Of course, he and Cullen know, and yet they persist with the coverup.

      I caught Kenny boy testing plankton, and not reporting results, somewhere at nukepro

      So what is motivating these guys? Craploads of money, threats of losing grants and tenure?

      That is the real story

      They have both written a lot of stuff about food chain, concentration factor, so what gives?

      • their operation is very directly tied to military associates….

      • "I caught Kenny boy testing plankton, and not reporting results"

        Interesting and something I'll personally look into…

        …but.

        Let's face it Ken is the head and is a mouthpiece, he is not the one that actually does the testing.

        Gathering samples, transporting them and the many stages of testing things as complicated (and hard to read) as foods and water for individual isotopes requires 100's of people.

        If you look at the sea reads they are on point. problem seems to be noone can understand the results so sea water results are posted without worry.

        Foods like kelp and plankton are a no brainer. If there is any AT ALL in it it's a problem. Easy to understand right?

        Any levels could ruin a global industry. I think we should ALL be able to view and know the results. But this creates a problem, a world wide problem. So the results must be tested again and again with the same result for a no holds barred release of information.

        We know in our knowers (those that have actually been studying this stuff) That certain isotopes decay and change the overall readings over time so this creates a lawyers dream for not releasing the results. They can argue to the cows come home that the results don't show the same levels and therefore can not be accurate. So the argument is since the tests are not showing the same results when repeated they must be flawed.

        Simple argument for a food lawyer to block the public release of results.

        • We should support these people instead of casting doubt…

          Doubt is why we can't see the results to begin with…

          • earthsmith earthsmith

            Yeah just smile that radio-toxicity away. No doubt about it. It's poses no threat "they" said so. "We" just need to support that..simple ain't it.

            • "Yeah just smile that radio-toxicity away. No doubt about it. It's poses no threat "they" said so. "We" just need to support that..simple ain't it."

              It would be if any of that was true.

              But I think you know what I was saying.

              Support those that test like woods hole!

              A very complicated process (testing water and food) that you can't possibly do.

              I have no personal opinion on Ken. Infact I don't even pay attention to him, I pay attention to the results of the testing at WH.

              The numbers aren't a political he said she said debate.

              The numbers are not subject to your opinion or what he said or what she said. They aren't up for debate or assumption nor are test results subject your need to talk bad about someone or something.

              The results are the results and if we want to see more of them we need to support the testing and disclosure whole heartily.

              NEVER casting doubt on the testing, only doubt on the nay sayers that make it harder still to get the actual results by reinforcing doubt in the accuracy or spouting that the most poison substances on earth are not a problem…

              Cry like a spoiled brat or be a responsible adult…

              After all it's only the future of the planet we are dealing with…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                a bullet was fired into the dense crowd. Scientific testing using the sample number required to achieve statistically significant results showed that likely no one was hit. Not a he said, she said debate, just the numbers.

                • earthsmith earthsmith

                  I don't support anything about woodshole

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    Numbers=dollars…the scientific method. Oh what numbers are you looking for? Yeah "we" can support that.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Whine and complain about support is very adult.
                      Talking about taking responsibility for supporting the very institutional structure that's has enabled the poisoning is very bratty.
                      Just ask the Montana Governor

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the whole Woods Hole theme of 'citizen scientists' rolling up their sleeves, contributing in an important, grass roots way to the understanding of Fukushima is very disturbing. Weve been through it…but Woods Hole has millions of dollars, hundreds of people to do that work. In fact they were testing. I highly suspect this idea of getting the people involved is a ploy. Those citizens ARE NOT scientists and they arent doing anything but collecting buckets of water and sending in money. Its a 'feel good' manipulative tactic. Unless it isnt and the people who sat around and launched the program didnt have their thinking hats on

                • OK bullet theory, I like it….

                  So according to your testing results it was likely no one was hit? From what armchair were you testing…

                  Oh I guess you saw it on youtube posed by some flake that didn't even check and you know that flake was never on scene at any time and was not qualified to make ANY assessment of the situation.

                  On point code! Great one!!!

                  Since joe jacker said it on youtube the actual evidence shouldn't even be looked at so just pretend the whole thing is wrong, it must be some sort of conspiracy and the real evidence should be ignored huh…

                  Hummmmmmmmmmmm Likely doesn't work for the person that "may" have been shot in that story…

                  …A conscientious person would check the first hand medic reports from the scene (in this case ocean testing results) and hospitals (in this case foods) for real provable certified information.

                  Then the story would be real truth and would read "no one was injured" or "1 person was injured".

                  Not doing those things proves nothing and is a perfect excuse for some attention seeker to gripe and complain about. Oh and send em some free tax money for a year long study.

                  That is the same kinda made up washed out crap reporting we see when it comes to radiation all the time.

                  Numbers are numbers, bullshit is bullshit…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Sorry Hippie, my analogy was not clear. I meant to show that scientific testing is not always a reliable indicator. A statistically significant cohort may not show the damage of a single bullet fired into a crowd. That is not directly applicable to Woods Hole. But for instance, they publish water radiation, while the sediment could be a thousand times more radioactive. They should test sea foam, dead animals for hot spots, sediment, plankton. But mainly they should attempt to elucidate the difference between the radioactive effect from background radiation and man made fallout, which at this point they say is essentially the same.

                    'Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis. Assuming that the new paper is itself correct, problems with experimental and statistical methods mean that there is less than a 50% chance that the results of any randomly chosen scientific paper are true.'
                    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7915-most-scientific-papers-are-probably-wrong/

                  • More music…

                    On the Hunt:
                    https://youtu.be/5M4bC27ULvk

                    Happy memorial day to all…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                There is no doubt that Woods Hole gives the public this message; the measured radioactivity is too low to be of any concern whatsoever.

                Yes, we want straight facts, no matter if they support our view or not. But heres the thing; If you dont know WHY those low radiation numbers are a cause for concern, and make no mistake, you dont..then pushing Woods Hole as the go-to source for unbiased, uncontested, reliable information simply reinforces the woods hole message, which is that the radioactivity is so low, it cant possibly be a concern.

                There are several aspects about the Woods Hole testing and especially the conclusions drawn that leave much to be desired. but H Dog never ever talks about it. I suppose thats because he is busy being in his happy place, saving the world for our children and doesnt have time to get into it. But dont feel bad…the scientists, teachers and students, what to say of the anti nuke crowd dont understand it either…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    yeppers wowsers enenewsers bloopers scoopers whiners losers labels and maneuvers readers noggins and bloggins. Yeppers? Noppers? Yowzers? Wowsers?

                • Until you start thing like a scientist you won't find anything but politics.

                  Science is the absolute search for truth.

                  The numbers (testing results) don't have opinions…

                  Politics is another story entirely…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    OK, think like a scientist and tell us why the low, low numbers discovered by woods whole are a concern, even though those scientists assure us it isnt. Eagerly anticipating your reply…

                    • The Map is here…

                      http://www.whoi.edu/maps/oro/fukushima/

                      The results are there…

                      It's not subject to a spot on good morning america or jerry springer…

                      The 134 reads are of real concern…

                      Look it up yourself and tell us about it…

                      The 137 reads are also very high…

                      Look that fact up yourself and tell us about it…

                      This is not good news. In fact I think the numbers are very disturbing but I have done the math and my homework. Oh yea and ignored all the excuses made by put down artists and those seeking fame.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippie, what exactly is a concern about C137 at 10 bq/m3? That is a thousand times less than the radioactivity naturally found in sea water, and far, far lower than any level of concern established by science. You have done the math and your homework…so now tell us the result. What makes that very low amount of radioactivity a concern, and why cant the scientists DOING the testing see your point? Be specific, thanks

                    • Well that answers the question about all this woods hole tripe…

                      May want to study up on the toxicity of 137…

                      A simple example…

                      137 mimics potassium right?

                      Your potassium index:

                      If it is 3.5-5.0 You are in the SAFE zone

                      If it is 5.1-6.0 You are in the CAUTION zone

                      If it is higher than 6.0 You are in the DANGER zone

                      Now how much 137 do you need to be in the danger zone?

                      .02

                      What makes this a even bigger threat is the fact that if you don't test specifically for 137 and/or 134 your blood willl show these substances as potassium (137 and 134 will show up as natural potassium without proper specific testing)

                      Study so you know what the numbers actually mean…

                      Potassium radiation has nothing on the chemically active toxic effects of 137 and is even WAY (30 plus times) worse with 134

                      "C137 at 10 bq/m3? That is a thousand times less than the radioactivity naturally found in sea water"

                      Ya just can't compare eating a apple to eating a apple turd….

                    • Again code goes off the deep end of fiction…

                      I actually said IF you are blind, not directed at anyone in particular, simply stating the fact that IF you think without reason and knowledge or you believe people that speak with no reason or knowledge and have no real education about these subjects, you are blinded…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      loud buzzer AA! AA! AA! wrong answer. Comparing hyperkalemia with radioactivity, big fail there (same one made several times by Dr you know who). Wrong answer on chemical toxicity. Wrong answer on radiological toxicity as given by science. FAILED to explain why your 'understanding' was not supported by Ken and others. You failed big time, while putting down the others. Go to the back of the class

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippie, well your post is right here
                      http://enenews.com/tv-millions-of-dead-sea-creatures-wash-ashore-in-hawaii-carcasses-found-along-miles-of-beach-that-should-trigger-some-alarm-i-dont-know-whats-going-on-over-there-ive-nev/comment-page-2#comment-839540

                      You are responding directly to earthsmith. First you disagree with him that science and politics can no longer be seperated, and conclude with this, and I quote
                      "Not to worry though if you are one of these blinded people. If this trend continues there won't be any forests left to blind ya"

                      90% of the people assume you imply earthsmith, and the other posters you say are going over the deep end of fiction are blind by unreliable stuff found on the 'new free media' of which you say "We are in real trouble with radiation right now but we are in even more trouble with the "I saw it on the internet" crew!!!!"

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Code, it's pretty obvious that hippie dog can't answer your question. I can't either but my body knows from painful experience that cesium hurts, potassium doesn't. you're on the right track. We'll get there eventually.
                      I rarely read the dog's posts because I'm not able to watch much video. Without the videos there is not much there there. it's clear he has an agenda other than killing nuclear energy by who and when he launches attacks against their credibility.
                      And this: "…I have had people looking for that quote for over a hour now with no results." People?

                    • Oops…

                      "You failed big time, while putting down the others. Go to the back of the class"

                      Sorry teach… So….

                      OK Let's see your numbers?

                      From where?

                      Help us all out, we need the info…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippie, I doubt you sincerely want to know…but I can tell you in ballpark terms. Im not going to dig up links right now.

                      The ICRP dose model says that Cesium137 and K-40, the radioactive isotope in potassium are nearly equal in toxicity. That means that scientists believe that if you increase the radioactivity of the ocean from its natural state of around 12,000 bq/m3 to 24000 bq/m3 by adding cesium137 its only a little more than twice as toxic, and they dont believe the ocean is naturally very poisonous.

                      So when Woods Hole finds 10 bq/m3, its one thousand times less dangerous, in his mind, than the natural radioactivity of the ocean. Who believes this? Science at large, students, interested lay persons reading up on it.

                      The question is…are they right? The proliferation of exclusion zones, cancer, deformities and an ocean which is alarmingly collapsing suggests they arent right. Make no mistake; they are right about the measurement of radioactivity, but wrong about its toxicity and wrong about background radiation toxicity to which they compare it. Thats your answer, and its a good one. Now are you going to digest it or are you going to keep calling me a fool who shouldnt be listened to (paraphrase but accurate)

                    • Yea people…

                      Gotta laptop? Gotta cellphone??

                      Got Kids???

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      H.Dog, no acknowledgement?

                    • Sorry other stuff going on here today…

                      This supposes the existing fallout pre fuku and also takes no account of the chemical reactions…

                      Potassium is good and is required by the body for normal function, 137 and 134 will kill you with heavy metal poisoning…

                      Doesn't get much clear than that..

                      Use real testing to find it and then find a way to stay away from it…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Hello?

                      Experts: Fukushima ‘globally enhanced’ cesium-137 levels in air by 2 to 3 orders of magnitude — Radioactive plume that reached Europe “contaminated the land, and as a consequence the whole food chain” — Concentrations greatly underestimated – August 4th, 2014

                      http://enenews.com/experts-fukushima-disaster-globally-enhanced-cesium-137-levels-in-air-by-2-to-3-orders-of-magnitude-radioactive-plume-that-reached-europe-contaminated-the-land-and-as-a-consequence-the-whol

                    • "Hello? Experts: Fukushima ‘globally enhanced’ cesium-137 levels in air by 2 to 3 orders of magnitude"

                      Yepper you must now change your routine, hard stuff for most…

                      Filter your tap water (ro the kitchen and place carbon filters on the shower).

                      Filter your indoor air and be very careful changing filters.

                      Source your food, if there is any doubt there is no doubt, don't eat anything if you are not sure about it or where it originated from.

                      Stay away from crackpot remedies and put the basics in place asap…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Why accept that?

                      That is not normal.

                      It is idiocracy…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Idiocracy allows it to happen again and again.

                      Like it has…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      By idiocratic thinking we will all be fine when we have to don SCBA units to get to work sometime in the future…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      An idiocracy is a risk based capitalistic society with a hell of a lotta wounds…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      H Dog "doesnt get any simpler than that" except that you are wrong. Simple and wrong is not a good combination for a pompous denigrating maladroit. Show some humility and Ill cut you some slack, show none and I will show you no mercy.

                      Animal studies indicate that cesium is of relatively low toxicity. Acute oral LD
                      50 values for rats and mice
                      range from 800 to 2,000 mg Cs/kg

                      No reports were located regarding adverse effects in humans or animals following acute-, intermediate-, or chronic-duration inhalation or
                      dermal exposure to stable cesium.

                      The chemical properties of stable and
                      radioactive cesium isotopes are identi
                      cal

                      https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp157-c3.pdf

                      potassium chloride; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). The oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt) is 3.75 g/kg.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oops, the direct quote is "Doesn't get much clear than that" To which I reply, doesn't get much dumb than that

                    • Ok here's some clarification code…

                      "90% of the people assume you imply earthsmith, and the other posters you say are going over the deep end of fiction are blind by unreliable stuff found on the 'new free media"

                      No at all, was simply makin a point and was not directed at earthsmith (and I hope Earthsmith already knows that fact), just stating facts.

                      Seems that 90 percent is another completely wrong estimate…

                      Try to at least be kinda accurate when you set out to cause a unneeded and totally unproductive (and false) problem for your own gratification…

                      Still Rainin

                      https://youtu.be/mn560Wesh-4

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK H Dog, lets test it. Anybody who thinks that Hippie Dogs assertions that "many people are so caught up in this new free media they can't see the forest for the trees anymore…

                      Not to worry though if you are one of these blinded people"

                      Was NOT aimed at earthsmith nor "Cry like a spoiled brat", RAISE YOU HAND

                      While were at it, anyone who thinks

                      "We are in real trouble with radiation right now but we are in even more trouble with the "I saw it on the internet" crew!!!!"

                      means something other than nuclear fallout is less dangerous than fake or unsubstantiated news on the internet, well pipe up, because thats how I took it.

                      Support Hippie Dog and vindicate his assertions…nows your chance to show me the error of my thinking. Byrian? I know you have a zinger at the ready

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      correction; I meant to say not aimed at earthsmith or code or the ENEnewsers in general. I now, its a trifling, niggly nonsense…but the Dog is on this tack from the get go

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      funny I drop the R from 'Your' so often…could it be a hot particle caused a hole in the virtual keyboard of my brain? Cant prove it did, cant pove it didnt

                    • SadieDog

                      Code, what exactly does niggly mean?

                    • SadieDog

                      Code, you seem to be stumbling over your words. Are you inebriated?
                      In vino veritas…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      niggly is the adjective from the verb niggle which means nitpick, grumble, find fault, object, quible…

                      You might have been thinking of the word niggardly, being from the south. That word is not used too much anymore because of the association with racial slang

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hi Sadie! Nope, not inebriated. Old and cranky maybe. Dont have much latitude for boorish shilling peons and their accessories.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I did expect you and Byrian to fly on in. Find a place on the wall and make yourself comfortable

                    • SadieDog

                      So niggly means nitpick? If you say so.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yeah Sadie, like waste time arguing trifles with a pretentious dolt when you could be doing something to improve your lot instead…niggly, messing with the little fussy bits

                    • Told ya it was hard for most to change the routine …

                      "Why accept that? That is not normal. It is idiocracy…"

                      Negative (and idiocracy is not a word) the actions I described are the go to 123 things to do to help protect yourself and your family.

                      It's a horse to water thing…

                      Filter drinking water RO minimum

                      Careful with air filters and cutting the grass

                      Source your food and know where your food comes from no matter what

                      123 safeguards that actually do the job using preventive measures that help to save health and happiness.

                      Once you get it, you have it forever…

                      …one way or the other.

                      https://youtu.be/l1KSNuJR_Zc

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Idiocracy is where each and every human, is only trying mitigate the ecological damage to themselves…

                    • Idiocracy? or human nature??

                      Our weaknesses can be our strengths if we try…

                      …and why wouldn't ya.

                      Aikido in Three Easy Lessons:

                      https://youtu.be/DxyMZtA452k

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    Opinions are shaped by the numbers they publish.
                    Publication…who owns the publications.
                    Who owns the opinions.
                    Politics, science can no longer be separated, sorry dog.

                    • "Politics, science can no longer be separated, sorry dog"

                      Sure they can and should be!!!! Although I do see allot of evidence that many people are so caught up in this new free media they can't see the forest for the trees anymore…

                      Not to worry though if you are one of these blinded people. If this trend continues there won't be any forests left to blind ya 🙂

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      again, Hippie calling posters blind, while pushing Woods Hole. Woods Hole data IS good and reliable, but the interpretation…the conclusion, and also the lack of comprehensive testing of life forms and all the places where radioactive fallout could accumulate is the problem. Hippie slams people for being blind and stupid, yet appears to be an unscientific puppy dog who is cock sure of the his fragmented understanding. This wouldnt bother me if he hadnt lambasted good posters from the outset, continuing to this day

                    • Ya earth politicized "science" its shameful.

                  • Let's get to the truth…

                    Is radiation a banana? Or is it pollution…

                    You tell me…

                    https://youtu.be/89UNPdNtOoE

                    …Something to start to think about 🙂

                • "pushing Woods Hole as the go-to source for unbiased, uncontested, reliable information"

                  There you go again code creating a opinion out of thin air. No wonder you get so confused and seem to stay that way when it comes to testing results….

                  I said the testing results are the go to and ken and every other scientist blabbing on TV means very little (in some cases worse than nothing).

                  Find the CERTIFIED testing results, study them, read the evidence we have from 100's of sources that researched this stuff for over 50 years and make a informed decision.

                  All else is simply psychobabble.

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    That's been getting done here by many like Code since day one. And it tells a very different story.

                    • So code has released testing results that are certified? From her apartment? Really?

                      And I suppose you will tell me code has a degree in anything related to radiation and contamination and I guess you do to eh?

                      Cut'n'paste doesn't count. Real first hand testing does.

                      Done any of that lately? Or ever in your life?

                      A real education from verified sources with accreditation does a good job, cut'n'paste internet just won't get you to that level and is so full of misinformation put out with sparkly video that a uneducated person is likely to get sucked in by the glits regardless of the real facts.

                      We are in real trouble with radiation right now but we are in even more trouble with the "I saw it on the internet" crew!!!!
                      The sad truth, not sad opinions…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippies message; Code and other posters who point out the failings of the mainstream science are confused and create opinion out of thin air. They have no real education from accredited institutions therefor their opinions mean less than nothing. The radiation is a concern, but internet ignorance is the greater problem. So if you want truth, trust good old six pack, get er done Hippie Dog and waltz over to Woods Hole. Cue a rock song

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      "Find the CERTIFIED testing results, study them, read the evidence we have from 100's of sources that researched this stuff for over 50 years and make a informed decision."
                      Key word find.
                      And yes that is what has been getting done here by many unselfish individuals.
                      You are twisting your own words…again.

                    • Ya know I wish code would stop making up the opinions of others as if she has paranormal abilities.

                      You've been asked time and again to give your own opinion and stop putting words into other peoples mouths.

                      But I guess that's just what you do when you have nothing productive to add to a conversation…

                    • "Key word find"

                      Yep start looking for real tests and reports instead of listening to some video from GOD only knows who and actually put forth the effort to find the facts.

                      Funny that we fought so hard to get FOIA passed and nobody even uses the information.

                      Easier to go to a website written with the slant you agree with than to find the actual facts I guess…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      its time to buck up, buster. "Ya know I wish code would stop making up the opinions of others as if she has paranormal abilities."

                      If you have a problem with my paraphrase of your post, then spell it out. Otherwise, we can quote you directly, which I have done many times. We are Stoidi, gettin 'er done

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      FOIA documents have been posted here.
                      I have my own opinions, they just don't align with yours
                      eezy peezy right?

                    • "If you have a problem with my paraphrase of your post, then spell it out"

                      Didn't I just do that above? Ya want me to tell you that again? It's not the first (or the second or the fifth) time I've said this to you…

                      How many repeats of the same information does it take to actually get the message through to you??

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      H Dog, no, you didnt explain anything. You griped, you denigrated people, but you didnt actually describe or clarify anything of significance. And the stuff that you resorted to for answers regarding low level radiation effects, your continual pushing of "our radioactive ocean" woods hole was all wrong, as I explained, complete with relevant links. Your last post is a case in point. Its just a complaint, nothing of substance

                • "There is no doubt that Woods Hole gives the public this message; the measured radioactivity is too low to be of any concern whatsoever"

                  That's funny code as I have had people looking for that quote for over a hour now with no results.

                  Could this be another made up quote? Now you can get insulted if you want but you've made up several so far just this morning about me and many over my course of postings here…

                  Ockham's Razor says you made it up…

                  What is Ockham's Razor?

                  http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node10.html

                  Science not politics…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    what are you talking about Hippie? Im the one that said there is no doubt Woods Hole gives the public the message that radioactivity is no concern. Now I call BS that you have had people looking for that quote for over a hour now. Wowsers. Tell us a little about your team there bubba.

                    Perhaps you mean that Woods Hole does not say the radiation is of no concern and maybe THAT is what you cant find. Lets help your team out;
                    "Is radiation a concern along U.S. and Canadian coasts?
                    Although we have found traces of radioactive contamination from Fukushima in samples collected through our citizen-science initiative Our Radioactive Ocean, the concentration of cesium-137 and -134 in these samples is well below levels of concern for humans or marine life. The highest levels of cesium (10 Bq/m3) attributable to Fukushima that we have measured were found 1,500 miles north of Hawaii. Swimming every day in the ocean there would still result in a dose 1,000 time smaller than the radiation we receive with a single dental x-ray."

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Id like to hear what others think; Is Hippie just a good natured buffoonish rocker accidentally slamming the credibility of anti nuke posters here, or is he trying to be a not so subtle shill for the nuke cartel? I go both ways

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Enjoy! 🙂

                      Mind Games-John Lennon(OFFICIAL VIDEO) – YouTube
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6G2s6LNQQY

                      The planet called Earth..loses either way.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      but could Ted Nugent really be working for the dark side? Say it aint so, say it aint so. He did say they tax his taxes…I dont know what it means but it sounds like moola

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Jebus..Chuckles! 🙂

                      Isn't that how they confirmed Bin Laden's DNA so quickly?
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden_death_conspiracy_theories

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oh yeah obe! A genius. Did you see that impromptu dancing? in the pocket, nothing over extended

                    • My 2 cents….

                      I am anti nuclear, my goal is to inform…

                      …with proven facts not made up slanted fictions.

                      The real question is who is putting out all the accusations? Casting all the doubt? Misquoting my posts every time they use them?

                      And the real misinformation artist is?

                      Drum roll please….

                      Codeshutdown

                      Yep the name says it all…

                      Froidian ain't it codeshutdown?

                      Misquoting someone happens sometimes but not every single time.

                      I have repeatedly asked code to copy my comments as written (takes less than a second) if she feels the need to use them to no avail.

                      So one has to ask the question, who's accusing someone of being a shill and who's actually practicing it?

                      Just read my posts from this morning and then look how code quoted me as if that's what was written by me.

                      Kinda pathetic and pathological.

                      And code says woods hole is what?

                      "There is no doubt that Woods Hole gives the public this message; the measured radioactivity is too low to be of any concern whatsoever"

                      Just another completely fake quote posted codeshutdown just typed it out, associated someone elses name with it and hit post like it was nothing… who did that? Codeshutdown. Who went out of their way to make something up and say it was from woods hole institute? codeshutdown did that just a few moments ago.

                      Things that make you go hummmmmm…

                      It's a tough job but hecklers are nothing new to the truth. This kinda crap has been going on…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I love it when people are direct
                      Cindy Sheehan stated "If you believe the newest death of OBL, you’re stupid"

                    • This kinda crap has been going on FAR too long and needs to stop ASAP.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      "Isn't that how they confirmed Bin Laden's DNA so quickly?"

                      All I know is that there are two copies…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oops, who said this?

                      "There is no doubt that Woods Hole gives the public this message; the measured radioactivity is too low to be of any concern whatsoever.."?

                      CodeShutdown said it. Did Code say someone else said it? NO

                      Does Woods Hole give the message that fukushima radioactivity is too low to be of any concern? Yes! Need proof?

                      the website Hippies team couldnt find in over half an hour
                      http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=127297

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      H Dog says "This kinda crap has been going on FAR too long and needs to stop ASAP."

                      What kind of crap, specifically? You mean the stuff on Osama Bin Laden, or Woods Hole, or what. Thanks for being very specific…spell it out like your life depended on it

                    • "Although we have found traces of radioactive contamination from Fukushima in samples collected through our citizen-science initiative Our Radioactive Ocean, the concentration of cesium-137 and -134 in these samples is well below levels of concern for humans or marine life"

                      Yep that is incorrect!!!!

                      And sea life mortality has confirmed it!!!

                      Oh and let's not forget about the power transformers (pcb's)/lines/poles (treated with creosote), cars, chemical plant spills, industrial wreckage, roads, home building materials and all the other toxins that were released after the earthquake and tsunami too…

                      But what does that have to do with the actual readings? Gathered? Taken to the lab? Certified and publicly posted from many points in the Pacific? For 5+ years (question for code)?

                      Wowsers… Die off of sea life apparently.

                      Here's something to keep a eye on…

                      The old potassium therum? C's mimic potassium, that's why it's called a potassium analog and why the medicine is potassium / iodide tablets.

                      You need natural potassium to function but…

                      134 and 137 (in this case) are a mined ore manufactured into a ceramic / metal mix and they placed this altered substance in a boiler that blew up, oh excuse me (gotta be politically correct) 3 boilers that blew up…

                      Don't forget about the 4 fuel pools that burned too…

                      Radioactive – The Firm

                      https://youtu.be/6Aq5cqjUFOo

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Wrong again, balder-dashing blow hard;

                      H.Dog;

                      "cesium 34 and 137 (in this case) are a mined ore manufactured into a ceramic / metal mix and they placed this altered substance in a boiler that blew up"

                      C137 is a fission product of uranium. The only cesium that is mined is stable C133, mainly found in pollucite.

                      H.Dog; "But what does that have to do with the actual readings? Gathered? Taken to the lab? Certified and publicly posted from many points in the Pacific? For 5+ years (question for code)? "

                      above that quote you said that Buesselers comment that the C-137 was too low to cause harm was incorrect. Then you elaborated on non radioactive causes, then asked what that has to do with actual readings. My answer; your articulation and question are both nonsense and non sequiturs

                      You have three choices; show some humility, up your game, or live with egg on your face

                    • Jeees spun out code?

                      Let's see here…

                      Check this out…

                      Think about the mess at the bathtub drain and ya get a idea what's currently happening with the pacific gire regions right now…

                      Ocean of Garbage | CBC
                      https://youtu.be/IbGDNpRTKxg

                      Garbage Island An Ocean Full of Plastic:
                      https://youtu.be/M6VJVf7K2Xs

                      ————–

                      George Harrison-My Sweet Lord:
                      https://youtu.be/0kNGnIKUdMI

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I know whats goin on at the Pacific gyre Hippie…I hear that plastic outweighs plankton now. Your point seems to be that its not the low levels of radiation, but all the garbage that is causing the biological hazard.

                      You can disparage, but you cant admit you were wrong. Is that just the common ego problem or is there something more to it?

                      spun out….like 'hippie tried to take the corner but couldnt handle it and spun out, now everyone can see'…is that what you mean?

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      There is a specific timeline that seems to be consistant across all species recently declining…

                      https://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/monarch/pop_millions.html

                      But nobody connects the dots.

                      https://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/monarch/conservation_overview.html

                    • I'd have to say without equivocation that pollution and consumption are killing this world every day…

                      …that ain't something to be taken lightly.

                      To connect the dots follow the money without doubt.

                      Real life is too important to ignore…

                      Red Light:
                      https://youtu.be/_sWeVoLTczs

                    • A little hippie followup..

                      Jonny Lang – Red Light:
                      https://youtu.be/_sWeVoLTczs

                • Yep, but CodeShutdown, ain't it even worth the time taken
                  to post a real read about it? While people (and wildlife) are dying everyday??

                  Must be a double knot spy or somethin…

                  https://youtu.be/1MWq6L19eNo

                  On the unt?
                  https://youtu.be/l1KSNuJR_Zc

          • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

            Yeah sure, put your trust in the most fucked up, scandalous, sneaky, snaky parasitic organisms that ever lived,= human race. That is really reassuring considering how any (supposedly) lesser forms of life that isn't born with a voice to cry out against (and tell lies with), or hands and fingers to hold up in protest (or pull the trigger, count dirty blood money and stab one another in the back with)don't count and can expect to be washing ashore contaminated beaches by the millions as dead carcasses that even the lowly scavenger critters know enough to avoid dining from the inedible seafood smorgasbord on the beach. A real warm sense of pride washes over me with each shining example of mankind's achievements and contributions towards a better world for Earthly life to flourish in(not)… And then for the Bible thumpers to state unequivocally that Man is created in the image of God really says it all re; those deluded enough to believe they are"special",or"chosen 1's" and protected or immune to the toxic bile that spews forth the dirty money that presides over all else!! I don't have the time or inclination to get back on the soapbox I used to cling to in the hope that I would find anything to lighten the load and guilt for things that some call human nature,but it stands to reason aside from the sentence I used the words in, "human" and "nature" are the same as good & evil and wtf is "good" about humanity except guaranteed self-annihilation.Go M.A.D.Trumpy!

        • Actually sampling and testing can be done by just 1 or 2 people, but having a small army would sure help the "cause".

          • Alright…

            Now don't get mad, this is just something to make you think and realize the efforts involved with our current testing…

            Splain how you are going to do this with 2 people…

            Day 1…

            I need you to find me one or two people to go to the pacific take water samples from Alaska to Hawaii and also gather samples of fish, plankton, reefs, shellfish, crabs, shrimp and kelp then bring them back to the lab quickly…

            You have 2 days to get them here so I guess you'll need a jet.

            Nevermind too heavy to fly all that stuff in a private jet so take airforce one on loan. Hope you or your assistant can fly it…

            But wait you'll need the fastest boat ever invented too.

            Day 2…

            Now that you are back in your 30+ million dollar lab you and your helper will need to process the samples. Some samples have more than 20 stages of preparation so better get the coffee pot going because you only have 72 hours before the samples are void of some of the original isotopes. These are the ones that will tell us just how bad it really is and without them you won't find anything we don't already have reads for (and future calculations made).

            Not possible on any level for 2 people to do that job.

            There are literally 1000's of people working on this problem every day.

            They deserve our support and respect.

            If it's a conspiracy it's by far the biggest imaginable in the history of the world.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              ahh, but Hippie, you have a team. Maybe not a very effective one since they couldnt find the Woods Hole site where it says the fallout is of essentially no concern, but its a team nevertheless. AND you have something more important; an understanding of fallout toxicity that Ken Beusseler doesnt. Ken isnt concerned, but you are. So….get 'er done

              • Speak for yourself dumbass…

                Stop making it sound like I have these opinions.

                All totally wrong assumptions, makes you wonder about the modivation behind these attacks….

                Here's a tip, start sniffing the orange smelling glue, that airplaine glue has you all messed up in the head.

                And you know what they say about assumptions…

                Well you are probably as clueless about that as everything else discussed here today (and last week and last month and last year)…

                Ban misinformation artists!

              • danger kitty danger kitty

                My problem with the Woods Hole & Cullen gatekeepers is they are testing water for short-lived isotopes. If I had the lab and the skills I would be slicing up kidneys and livers of dead whales looking for hot particles.They are there.

              • razzz razzz

                Banana boy kenny and it appears now Hippie Dog fall under the Peter Principle except Dog's was a shorter trip.

                kenny is well qualified to recognize a radioisotope when he finds one but his expertise stops there and any other opinions and conclusions can be discounted. He has no official medical training so how he concludes health effects of radiation exposure is suspect.

                Experts at some point begin relying on documented work of others to support their own work and conclusions as a field of work becomes to broad and complex. See which studies he relies upon outside his scope of work. Could be accepted mainstream papers or obscure little known works.

                The Chernobyl papers establish more than enough cause and effect from fallout, certainly radiocesiums effects on children. And recent worldwide rising background radiation levels are not to be denied. Manmade radioactive elements are certainly not abating.

                Even though fallout percentages of newly created radionuclides from nuke bomb testing can be extrapolated, from fuel rod accidents no so much. It's always some mystery. Figure buildup from burn up yes, how much releases and how far, it is a guessing game.

                If USS Reagan sailors' trial ever goes forward, Navy's fallout recordings will make kenny look like an idiot.

                Besides radioiodines isn't all that affects a thyroid, it can be any number manmade radioisotopes affecting a thyroid not to mention affecting a body and DNA for the future.

            • Jebus Jebus

              How can it be the biggest imaginable conspiracy when average people just don't know, because the congress critters just don't know, because the lobbyists just don't know, because all the scientists, except the nuclear physicists, just don't know, because the marine biologists just don't know, because all are depending upon the nuclear physicists to know, but they dont know because they depend upon seventy year old data to not know, because they depend on everybody just not knowing, to keep their studies going, because every study ends with needing more study…

              • DUDe DUDe

                I think the MIC knows tho..just not with their whole being..only the psychopathic side..that does not care..and does not care to make the world believe its ok..

                • DUDe DUDe

                  Does not care to lie and censor to be able to continue to play with bombs i mean..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      All modern wars are NUCLEAR wars

                      — As the Bush administration prepares to make war on the Iraqi
                      people — for it is the civilian population of that country and not Saddam
                      Hussein who will bear the brunt of the hostilities — it is important that
                      we recall the medical consequences of the last Persian Gulf war. It was, in
                      effect, a nuclear war.

                      By the end of that 1991 conflict, the United States
                      left between 300 and 800 tons of depleted uranium 238 in anti-tank shells
                      and other explosives on the battlefields of Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
                      The term "depleted" refers to the removal of the fissionable element uranium
                      235 through a process that ironically is called "enrichment." What remains,
                      uranium 238, is 1.7 times more dense than lead. When incorporated into an
                      anti-tank shell and fired, it achieves great momentum, cutting through tank
                      armor like a hot knife through butter.

                      What other properties does uranium
                      238 possess? First, it is pyrophoric. When it hits a tank at high speed, it
                      bursts into flames, producing aerosolized particles less than 5 microns in
                      diameter,making them easy to inhale into the terminal air passages of the
                      lung. Second, it is a potent radioactive carcinogen,emitting a relatively
                      heavy alpha particle composed of two protons and two neutrons. Once inside
                      the body — either in the lung if it has been inhaled, in a wound if it
                      penetrates flesh, or ingested since it concentrates in the food chain and
                      contaminates water– it…

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      cont..it can produce cancer in the lungs, bones, blood or
                      kidneys. Third, it has a half-life of 4.5 billion= years, meaning the areas
                      in which this ammunition was used in Iraq and Kuwait will remain effectively
                      radioactive for the rest of time. Children are 10 to 20 times more sensitive
                      to then effects of radiation than adults.

                      http://www.arnehansen.net/021205Iraq.nuclear-wars.htm

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Yep, DUDe, all wars are nuclear wars.
                      Environmental racism.
                      Gonna bite everybody in the butt,tho,because all that uranium in the sand in the Middle East has been detected in Europe. Levels of uranium in dust will rise as long as Wars continue. So, barring an all-out nuclear war, an EMP or CME, the world will end with a whimper not a bang. Choking on dust…

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      COUGH..COUgh..Cough..cou….. … .

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      p. 115: “children are roughly 10 to 38 times more sensitive to ionizing radiation than adults are.”
                      https://books.google.com/books?id=bbZoAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=Children+are+10+to+20+times+more+sensitive+to+then+effects+of+radiation+than+adults&source=bl&ots=43t588ePYN&sig=yGe_oL3eqO6kjdFNKbuKO_oH06M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ48qJ8pTUAhVD12MKHWzHBC4Q6AEIXDAI#v=onepage&q=Children%20are%2010%20to%2020%20times%20more%20sensitive%20to%20then%20effects%20of%20radiation%20than%20adults&f=false
                      What Will Work: Fighting Climate Change with Renewable Energy, Not Nuclear Power (Environmental Ethics and Science Policy Series) 1st Edition
                      by Kristin Shrader-Frechette (Author)
                      https://www.amazon.com/What-Will-Work-Renewable-Environmental/dp/0199794634
                      “About the Author

                      Kristin Shrader-Frechette, Ph.D is O'Neill Endowed Professor, Department of Biological Sciences and Department of Philosophy, University of Notre Dame. She teaches courses in environmental sciences, quantitative risk assessment, philosophy of science, environmental health, and science and ethics. With degrees in mathematics and in philosophy of science, she has done 3 post-docs: in biology, economics, and hydrogeology. For 26 years, the US National Science Foundation has funded her research. Author of 16 books and 380 professional articles — translated into 13 languages – and energy-environmental-health advisor to many nations and governments, she directs the Notre Dame Center for Environmental Justice…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      she directs the Notre Dame Center for Environmental Justice and Children's Health. She is also the author of Environmental Justice and Taking Action, Saving Lives, both published by Oxford University Press.”

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    Being forced and coerced into accepting an increasing risk from so many obsolete machines that support those bombs we play with which are the absolute penultimate human expression of a terrorist threat.

                    The Earth is just collateral damage…

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      They molded the system , including the educational system and the scientist we depend upon produced there..harmless to their desired planetary sterilization playtoys/WMD..turned out doable since on the top of the pyramid sits the warprofiting banker..untouchable..unaccountable..but in total control..and psychopathic..

              • "How can it be the biggest imaginable conspiracy when average people just don't know"

                Absolutely Jeb…

                People are so afraid of this stuff they don't even want to think about it…

                Who's tossing a ball through a hoop today?

                Got that covered…

                How much radiation is in the pacific right now?

                They have no clue…

                …and won't until a family member get's sick, if even then.

                As long as people look the other way these things will continue…

                All we can do is take precautionary steps.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  The entire purpose and basis of this entire current Zeitgeist Matrix is to get people to look the other way. 🙁

                  Those very shiny blinding pieces of silver that belonged to Caesar..guaranteed such behavior now for thousands of years.

                  The Earth can't take much more..signs are now everywhere.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Hippie, just so you know, that last piece of yours reads like a shill piece. Let me explain;

                  HD; "Absolutely Jeb…

                  People are so afraid of this stuff they don't even want to think about it…

                  Who's tossing a ball through a hoop today? Got that covered"

                  To me that suggests that people dont want to think about the true quantities of fallout, whether low or high, simply because they have an over-riding fear of radiation. You follow with an ambiguous thing with the ball and hoop thing. Does it mean you are the one that can score true points by shooting the ball through the hoop?

                  HD:"How much radiation is in the pacific right now?

                  They have no clue…

                  …and won't until a family member get's sick, if even then.

                  As long as people look the other way these things will continue…

                  All we can do is take precautionary steps."

                  This suggests that people in general, 'they have no clue' dont know how much radioactivity is in the water. You point them again and again to W.H. which says almost no radioactivity from Fukushima. Then you end with the only solution, precautionary steps. What does that mean? Like taking the precaution to kick out all the bastards who let the killer nuke industry survive…or what? It does not sound like it, you sound like public vanilla

  • laconic93 laconic93

    Patriots and Tree Top Flyers it is time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfkR0U2VnSs

    His Name was Seth Rich.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    Alliance between pro-Nukers against countries phasing out nuclear energy and weapons.

    Abe acts as bridge between U.S., Europe at G-7 summit
    http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003726514

  • Jebus Jebus

    Where have all the insects gone? – May. 10, 2017

    Entomologists call it the windshield phenomenon. "If you talk to people, they have a gut feeling. They remember how insects used to smash on your windscreen," says Wolfgang Wägele, director of the Leibniz Institute for Animal Biodiversity in Bonn, Germany. Today, drivers spend less time scraping and scrubbing. "I'm a very data-driven person," says Scott Black, executive director of the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation in Portland, Oregon. "But it is a visceral reaction when you realize you don't see that mess (mass) anymore."

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/where-have-all-insects-gone

    • Jebus Jebus

      Of the scant records that do exist, many come from amateur naturalists, whether butterfly collectors or bird watchers. Now, a new set of long-term data is coming to light, this time from a dedicated group of mostly amateur entomologists who have tracked insect abundance at more than 100 nature reserves in western Europe since the 1980s.

      Over that time the group, the Krefeld Entomological Society, has seen the yearly insect catches fluctuate, as expected. But in 2013 they spotted something alarming. When they returned to one of their earliest trapping sites from 1989, the total mass of their catch had fallen by nearly 80%. Perhaps it was a particularly bad year, they thought, so they set up the traps again in 2014. The numbers were just as low. Through more direct comparisons, the group—which had preserved thousands of samples over 3 decades—found dramatic declines across more than a dozen other sites.

      https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/where-have-all-insects-gone

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        so go the insects, so go the insect eaters, so go the pollinators, so go the plants, so go the plant eaters, so goes man. Didnt notice that life was 80% gone, too busy taking selfies

      • danger kitty danger kitty

        Yes Jebus, insects(and birds). I've posted before that in the years 2013 and 2014 we had zero insects and zero birds, my location here in Southern California. Fallout distribution is NOT homogeneous; I must be living in a hot spot. Recovery at this point is only 20% in terms of numbers of species and numbers of each individual species.
        Interesting we had a similar time lag as the folks in your link. Takes time to bio accumulate I guess…

    • Jebus Jebus

      This post was not to highlight the effects from the heavy gamma and beta decay, in 50 or so days, of massive XE-133 contamination, and it is an anestetic in high doses, but to highlight the magnitude of the initial breach of containments.

      It wasn't the only species to exit the gates…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Happy Memorial Day.

    Play it for all.

    Bring your own music.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu58wdMGSi0

  • Jebus Jebus

    Experts: Fukushima ‘globally enhanced’ cesium-137 levels in air by 2 to 3 orders of magnitude — Radioactive plume that reached Europe “contaminated the land, and as a consequence the whole food chain” — Concentrations greatly underestimated – August 4th, 2014

    http://enenews.com/experts-fukushima-disaster-globally-enhanced-cesium-137-levels-in-air-by-2-to-3-orders-of-magnitude-radioactive-plume-that-reached-europe-contaminated-the-land-and-as-a-consequence-the-whol

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Talk about it clearly day after day…
    I admire tenacity.

    Crisis Without End:The Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima
    5/29/2017

    https://antinuclear.net/2017/05/29/crisis-without-end-the-medical-and-ecological-consequences-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-catastrophe/

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Code, I know this post will be out of place; I don't know how to work around lack of reply button.
    Yeah, H Dog- paid troll
    Byrian- troll or burned out idiot
    Farth- MIGHT not be sock puppet playing a role. Might be him. But his crummy posts are not the point- his aim is to wallpaper the sidebar of latest comments with the word 'anus'. Remember that story I mentioned once about smuggling bicycle s?

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Greetings Danger K. Farth is an interesting case. Smarter than the average knave, incorrigible to the end. Better english than most!

      I dont recall the smuggled bicycles story, refresh my 'attention units'….hahaha, that brings up Isthmus and the FAC-1 soul stealing electronic device and the big glasses. I dont mean to say I rule out completely the possibility that aliens dressing in late 1800s style are harvesting humans with it…but a little more is needed to convince me of the assertion.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nothing but a money pit.

    A nuclear 'renaissance' is now a financial quagmire
    5/28/2017

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-tns-bc-ga-nuclearplant-20170528-story.html

    Infamous Nuclear Power Station Under Pressure From Gas And Renewables
    May 29 2017

    https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/three-mile-island-electricity-mb0055/

    ( I am not a fan of natural gas either.)

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2016/11/02/voices/japans-government-stay-u-s-sailors-lawsuit-tepco/

      "Japan’s government should stay out of U.S. sailors’ lawsuit against Tepco"

      "[…] U.S. service personnel find themselves prevented from seeking justice because Tepco, with the support of the Japanese government, is doing its utmost to ensure the case will never be heard in an American court."

      "if a U.S. court were to ascribe the plaintiffs’ illnesses to radiation exposure, how could the Japanese government continue to claim that none of the many illnesses the children and adults of Fukushima presently experience are radiation-related?"

      "the Japanese government continues to deny compensation, for radiation-induced illnesses let alone deaths, to its own citizens. This would surely impact the “viability” (not to mention reputation) of the Japanese government in its ongoing denial of radiation-related injuries to non-Tepco employees."

      "[…] if the Japanese government has a conscience, please immediately provide medical aid and compensation to the hundreds of American victims of Operation Tomodachi."

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        What can we do to influence the US courts to expedite justice for our troops, and reject the request of the Japanese government to provide pressure on the court???

        The Japanese government still wants the US to clean up Japanese property polluted by the USA military

        http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/19/national/contamination-documents-reveal-three-u-s-bases-okinawa-slow-disclose-environmental-accidents/

        "Environmental accident handbooks from 2013 and 2015 reveal USMC staff are under orders not to inform Japanese officials of “nonemergency and/or politically sensitive incidents.”"

        So, if the US sailors can sue the Japanese government, then Japanese people can sue the US government.

        And if the Japanese government did not tell the US government of the politically sensitive meltdown of three nuclear meltdowns, they would actually be doing the same thing our government does.

        The sailors are prohibited from suing the Japanese government, but can only sue Tepco.

        But now the Tepco is owned by the Japanese government right?

        So the government has a big stake in block justice for the sailors.

        Like Trump said he was going to build a wall, can we afford to build a wall when we still owe the Japanese for Okinawa? Maybe he can get Mexico to pay for it…

  • Sol Man

    Hello. The Silencing.

  • 4-year resident surgeon at the Washington Hospital Center says Seth Rich was alive and recovering well in the institution's Intensive Care Unit (ICU) after being treated for a total of 3 routine bullet wounds A few law enforcement officers arrived eight hours later by expelling most of the UTI and physically forbidding doctors and others from frequenting Rich. The surgeon who witnessed this bizarre behavior decided to present the information despite being easy to identify.

    https://steemit.com/who/@anarcho-pirate/d-c-surgeon-who-operated-on-seth-rich-the-dnc-staffer-was-alive-and-well-after-surgery-i-ve-seen-dozens-of-worse-cases-than-this

    A video interview with the Doctor would be more convincing to me. But it does stink and Assange implied Seth Rich was the email leaker

    Of course we know "Russia didn't do it", but this would be clear refute on that non-sense, and also mean so much more.

  • For once in a long time I am finally back to myself.
    I need a brief hiatus to catch up.
    Yet I can breathe again…

    I had a very torturous year. I am sorry I was not acting myself

    Please accept my apology and know my health and actions are expected to heal from here.
    Ive been through alot and just wanted to apologize for stressing you guys out in my lapse of difficulty.

    Im sorry.

    You deserve better and in a week or so I shall return. I am back to my original self now and hoping for a new start in life.

    I love you all.

    Tacomagroove:)

    P.s. Sorry again. My life is very difficult and I truly have fought to make it since this first began.
    Take care and I will be back shorty friends. Gotta find me a job 🙂

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Found this video from 2013 about a Japanese child that is contaminated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLRm1mXAnrA

    Translation at bottom.

    Seems to be saying that they are fucked, and they are in hell.

  • rogerthat

    https://www.rt.com/usa/389813-us-potential-nuclear-disaster/

    Nuclear nightmare worse than Fukushima could hit US because of ignored risks – study
    27 May, 2017

    © Jonathan Ernst / Reuters

    The US has underestimated the risks to its nuclear safety as a single nuclear fuel fire could lead to fallout “much greater than Fukushima,” according to a new study. Researches slammed the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for ignoring the potential danger.

    If spent fuel at one of the dozens of US nuclear sites sets alight, it “could dwarf the horrific consequences of the Fukushima accident [in Japan],” researchers from Princeton University and the Union of Concerned Scientists warned in their study published in the May 26 issue of Science magazine.

    The disaster would lead to “trillion-dollar consequences,” as the hypothetical fire would result in contamination of an area larger than New Jersey and force mass relocations. …

    • rogerthat

      The scientists simulated a nightmare scenario in their ‘Nuclear safety regulation in the post-Fukushima era’ article.

      Supposing that an imagined fuel fire broke out at the Peach Bottom nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania at the beginning of 2015, and taking into account the weather conditions at that time, they showed the devastating extent of potential contamination in the area.

      The accident would have led to the relocation of around 8 million people and would have cost $2 trillion in damages, according to Science Daily, citing the article.

      At first, it would mostly have affected a small part of Pennsylvania and Philadelphia, also touching on New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut.

      However, within three months almost all the East Coast from South Carolina to Maine would have become contaminated to a varying extent, the scientists said, with radiation going deeper into the land later on. …

  • rogerthat

    https://antinuclear.net/2017/05/29/crisis-without-end-the-medical-and-ecological-consequences-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-catastrophe/

    Crisis without End: The Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima Nuclear Catastrophe

    Review: Crisis without End: The Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima Nuclear Catastrophe, Helen Caldicott et al.http://www.sanfranciscoreviewofbooks.com/2017/05/book-review-crisis-without-end-medical.html 4.0 out of 5 stars Vital Detailed Truth, Lacks Compelling Visualization, July 9, 2015

    This review was written by Robert David Steele and has been reposted with permission. The original page can be found here. This book stems from a conference and is a very nicely presented double-spaced precis of the world-class contributions from the conference.

    Highlights:
    HELEN CALDICOTT QUOTE (3): The Fukushima disaster is not over and will not end for many millenia. The radioactive fallout, which has covered vast swaths of Japan, will remain toxic for hundreds of thousands of years.”

    NAOTO KAN QUOTE (19): Considering the risk of losing half our land and evacuating half our population, my conclusion is that not having nuclear power plants is the safest energy policy.

    DAVID LOCHBAUM: Fukushima was result of multiple foreseen but dismissed hazards. The cost of the recommended safety measures would have been a tiny fraction of the final cost of the total disaster that will be adding costs for a century into the future. …

    • rogerthat

      HISAKO SAKIYAMA: Virtually all hospitals included in today’s nuclear reaction plans are themselves so close as to be rendered victims themselves in the event of any real nuclear disaster.

      STEVEN STARR: 13% of the Japanese mainland has been contaminated with cesium-137 while the Pacific Ocean and its seafood have been widely contaminated.

      AKIO MATSUMURA: Fukushima could explode again and double-down on threat to humanity. Meanwhile, US stands silent, Japanese government is covering everything up, and no reporters, scientists, or other governments are demanding any form of transparency.

      TIMOTHY MOUSSEAU: Roughly a third of wildlife disappears from radiated areas — but the studies are not being done or if done not published because no government, no university, no foundtion, wants to pay for bad news.

      ALEXEY YABLOKOV: WHO, IAEA, ICRC have falsified just about everything about Fukushima specifically and nuclear risks generally.

      ARNOLD GUNDERSEN: Fukushima was made in USA, with GE knowingly repressing risk information, cutting corners, and failing to provide all of the safety features known to be needed (including provision for a 46 foot tsunami correctly forecast).

      ROBERT ALVAREZ: Because US has dithered on a “permanent” nuclear waste solution, the “temporary” pools are now holding five times their planned capacity. A standard US nuclear storage pool fire would be sixty times worse than Chernobyl.

      KEVIN CAMPS: CIA helped fund the post-war politicians in…

      • rogerthat

        Japan, and part of CIA’s mandate was to ensure they all bought into nuclear power.

        CINDY FOLKERS: US manipulating radiation standards in post-Fukishima era to allow twelve times more radiation poisoning of children than now allowed in Japan, and to explicitly cover-up the radiation in agricultural and seafood products that would otherwise sharply constrain those markets.

        DAVID FREEMAN: Risks aside, nuclear power is unaffordable. QUOTE (217): Even with the latest improvements, the cost overrun is abvout one or two billion dollars.” Nuclear power is now an “existential threat” but the public is completely ignorant of the fact that they have 30 years of nuclear waste piled up in their backyard waiting to be set on fire.

        HELEN CALDICOTT: Absent public education, we appear bent on self-destruction.

        The book could have been improved with a bibliography and some visualization, but I certainly found it very informative and troubling. In combination, public ignorance, government and corporation corruption, and complacency among academics, media, and think tanks, have allowed the creation of an aging nuclear industry certain to explode in our face again.

  • rogerthat

    https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/un-rapporteur-received-reports-that-japan-media-avoids-covering-fukushima-reporter-demoted-salary-reduced-for-writing-about-fukushima/

    UN Rapporteur Received Reports that Japan Media Avoids Covering Ongoing Fukushima Nuclear Disaster; Reporter Demoted-Salary Reduced for Writing About Fukushima

    “I have also received first-hand reports of newspapers delaying or cancelling the publication of articles, or demoting or transferring reporters after writing articles critical of the government. Several journalists told me that media outlets avoid covering topics that may lead to criticism by the government, such as the Fukushima disaster and historical issues such as “comfort women”. A reporter was demoted and salary reduced after writing an article regarding the Fukushima plant manager’s testimony.”

    Excerpted from: “Preliminary observations by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the right to freedom of opinion and expression, Mr. David Kaye at the end of his visit to Japan (12-19 April 2016)” Emphasis our own. See more at: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=19842&LangID=E

  • oldster

    Someone unfamiliar with this site and perusing the comments following the current info and headlines, and also someone who was trying to better understand specific or general aspects of Fukushima, nuclear energy, etc., would imo find some things of interest/value, but much a waste of time.

    Someone with limited time/opportunity, would imo not make this site a priority, and perhaps ignore it completely. Too much swamp, not enough firm ground.

    As has been noted in the past, this is an intelligence agency related site, since some specific subjects are censored or moderated. So to ask for disinterested integrity in moderating this site is a contradiction in terms. Nevertheless, ideally there would be hard-nosed competent winnowing out of comments that are self indulgent, trollish, fluff, etc, so that new readers around the world would encounter an excellent and more succinct contributuion re the situation we find ourselves in re nuclear technology and related issues. Difficult to achieve…

    As someone who visits here fairly often, I get a serious case of deja vue, with same wheels spinning in the mud.

    I think a few important background bits of info are of value to all newcomers pondering the subject:

    Nuclear energy is a military related tech. from the start, with massive ongoing duplicity and censorship woven into the subject.

    Massive subsidy, plus legislated escape from normal liability insurance, has been essential to implementing nuclear as electricity…

    • agreed oldster, all the bullshit on this site, really detracts from a necessary message.

      Admin? are you out there?

    • Jebus Jebus

      lol. This site is a monastery compared to the rest of the internet.

      Trolls, bots, and tired shills come here to roost at night.

      .mil, .gov? Hope so…

      Anyone who reads comments understands. People are diverse.

      I think the naked format exposes the bullshit right away.

      It also allows for much truth.

      Deja Vu? Everyone should probably get used to it. Forever.

      It has only been six years and the counts are adding/stacking up.

      How long is an xray, anyways?

      It does get rough once you realize what is happening.

      Millions(?) of overburdened creatures dying en masse all of a sudden out of an ecosystem, is not for the faint of heart.

      This site's comments are not the issue. Neither are wordpress's many glitches or the frequent denial of service attacks.

      It becomes very clear when one realizes that the only thing being forced upon anyone/everyone/everything, is nuclear waste…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        the good posts are lost in the mire, and essentially gone for good in a day. Herculean efforts by some have pelted this forum with good anti nuke info daily, only to be buried in an hour. THere must be some way to fix that…some way to bump good posts to the top so they have exposure for a week or two. Its not an anti nuclear site, its a social club that gets crazier during the full moon

  • What were they thinking? What were they thinking?

    I have never seen the data on the Nuclear Industry Tracking Center show such low CPM rates as they are right now. Also, a lot of the reporting sites are down. http://netc.com/ I have watched this site carefully for over 4 months (yes, I'm a newbie!). Any clues as to what is going on?

  • What were they thinking? What were they thinking?

    Thanks freebywill !!

  • SadieDog

    "The government in Fukushima, Japan released drone footage Thursday showing the progression made in the area’s rebuilding process six years after an earthquake, tsunami and nuclear meltdown devastated the region. The videos showed a multitude of areas in the prefecture, including Iwaki City, about 30 miles south of the Fukushima plant, and Futaba, a town 11 miles north of the plant."

    http://www.ibtimes.com/video-watch-drone-footage-fukushimas-rebuilding-post-nuclear-disaster-2544175

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    H4 Tank Farm Removed At Fukushima Daiichi
    May 30 2017

    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=16302

    Might we ask what happened to the contents?
    Are we to believe the deconstruction and soil remediation story?
    Or are these tanks, part the ones they keep threatening to dump into the sea???

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    From link:

    "This tank farm was implicated in the largest onsite leak that eventually flowed into the Pacific."

    Oh, come on ..let's talk corrosion.

  • Hippie Dog had this to say about Woods Hole and Kenny B and Jay Cullen…..

    We should support these people instead of casting doubt…

    Doubt is why we can't see the results to begin with…
    —————————————-

    methinks that makes it all too clear. Hippie Dog is an operative.

    —————————————-
    Although Kenny Boy and Jay Cullen are highly qualified, they are also deceptive to flat out lying. As such, they are eligible for Nuremberg trials, not "out support".

    Who agrees?

  • when you run a company for a decade or two, you realize that you occasionally need to make unpleasant decisions, yet they are the best route.

    Lets Talk Yucca
    All said below, but I think we just don't "dump it in". We keep it as accessible so problems can be worked on.

    https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2017/05/lets-talk-yucca-mountain-essential.html?showComment=1496158438979#c2609010433950915895

    My estimate for the survival of the human species is 30 years to 100 years.

    Yucca is over a water aquifer. It will eventually leak and get into that aquifer. If we are "lucky" that will be 500 years to 10,000 years from now.

    So sorry future peoples, if there are any, we need to kick this can down the road to you, but if we don't we will die now. So please understand. We also hope that you are smarter and more spiritually tuned in to how everything interacts and have better technology to deal with our shitty mess, that we reluctantly, but out of necessity, jam into Yucca mountain and hope for the best. Please forgive us, but you would not exist if we had not taken this action.
    ———————-
    comments requested

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    When you get famished from catastrophe, you can go to Hardee's and try "The Aporkalypse" Biscuit and Burrito.

    It's getting weird

  • The election of Trump was the people's demand for reform.

    If this demand is stolen illegally— then I think we have limited choices, and have been put at great risk.

    It is our country they are trying to steal, the end game of the NWO

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      In the first place, he wasn't elected as the recounts showed that there was no way to do a legal recount.

      In the second place, his health care bill is the opposite of what he promised.

      His proposed tax plan is not the reform he promised.

      He is a con artist and a dictator, and no one voted for that.

      The vast majority are not happy with the Republican Congress:

      Wednesday, May 24
      Congressional Job Approval
      Monmouth
      Approve 17, Disapprove 73
      Disapprove +56

      Congressional Job Approval
      Economist/YouGov
      Approve 13, Disapprove 65
      Disapprove +52
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

      The people didn't vote for Trump's reform which will put them out on the street, homeless and hungry.

      His scam of Trump University has now become another scam, the scam of thee elite to transfer more and more wealth to themselves.

      Approval ratings in the 30s show that Trump is already rejected by the voters.

      The voters did not vote for nuclear war or the enrichment of arms companies. The voters didn't vote for Jeb Bush or the Neocons, yet the Neocons are in huge numbers in Trump's Administration. This is not draining the swamp but entrenching the Neocons which were rejected.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

        Gingrich advised Trump to be irrational with irrational slogans. When people are starving and their children are starving, the reform that people need and want will not include Trump.

        I don't see how anyone can support a dictator in the US.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

        I am a poor person and I have to work on my garden today. I've transplanted 7 plum trees from my greenhouse, and I have 2 more to transplant today. And I need to work on the seeds I'm sprouting.

        • Good, get some dirt therapy, not a dirt nap, and then re-think how you are supporting nuclear destruction of the earth, the fast way, not the Fuku way.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

            You are supporting the pro-Nuke candidate, not me. It is Trump who has advocated using nuclear weapons for decades.

            • Nuclear bombs will never go away. Just like governments overall will not go away.

              And we have had this conversation before, you are not paying attention. I am supporting the President of the USA at a vital crossroads of attempted coup on the USA / NWO, and you are playing the part of the NWO.

              Shameful

      • In other words PT, all you got are lies, innuendoes, and a straw nuke war.

        Its the NWO Globalist Libs who are willing to put the world at risk of war, not believing that Hillary lost. Shame Shame on you.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          You can't prove that Trump won, because there was no legal recount possible in 3 states.

          We know that he doesn't have the support of the vast majority of Americans including many Republicans.

          A county of rich Republicans who have always voted Republican, voted for Hillary. Orange County in California. Or perhaps it would be more correct to say they voted against Trump.

          And I voted for Bernie, not because he is a democratic socialist, but because he is for the environment and against nuclear.

          I won't vote to kill my children. The bottom line for me. I'm still for modified capitalism and against subsidies to the nuclear industry.

          • Justify your statement with real data, not bullshit rhetoric.

            "no legal recount possible"

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              russians? Its silly. Who read my links on how the U.S. influences votes in so many countries. Have we no embarrassment?

              Looking at the debates, the platforms, the rhetoric, it seems we could all agree on this; the whole presidential election LOOKED and SOUNDED like a cheap and cheezy game show or 'reality show'.
              Now one could argue that behind the ubiquitous deception and lowbrow display of persona that they had sneaky plans to do the right thing, despite the ridiculous show… who knows, maybe Trump Obama and Clinton are in the back room, planning a coup on the new world order as we speak…

              • I betcha Putin is in there too, lol

                Serious question….why did so many repubs start and stay in the race so long?

                I mean that was weird, never happened before, so what is the real story, behind the story??

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        what the hell difference does it make who won the vote if the people are all confused, dumbed down, dont know the real issues, buy into the standard rhetoric, go with the highest funded marketing campaign, and the candidates lie? Huh?

        This winning of popular votes theme has been going on since the beginning. Who 'stole' the election? Think back now….

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Let me ask you "americans", where is your "private land" from? What are most of your laws based off of, do you pay taxes, do you vote?

    Show me which of your governments with either democrats or republicans in the last 200+ years was not involved in war.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      For america to concievably great again, you would have to make it great first. Yes yes, South Africa and many other places are fucked up, too.

  • OK all, I am going to go hug some trees and enjoy my solar tax credits so i dont have to pay taxes for like 6 years….

  • Damn can't even find time to hug a tree here, maybe I will plant one.

    • Sol Man

      You can come out to Rockies, say here in CO, to hug a tree, but if you picked one blind-folded, chances are great that you would end up hugging a dead tree.

  • Meanwhile, as the ocean and fauna perish, here are some guys who really get it.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2017/05/new-world-order-pulling-out-all-the-stops-to-politically-assasinate-trump-2667480.html

    New World Order Pulling Out All the Stops to Politically Assassinate Trump

  • “The first was to acquire control of America’s money system. This was accomplished by founding the Federal Reserve System.”

    “The second was to find desirable men who, for a price, would willingly serve as stooges for THE great conspiracy. Once they were found they would be promoted to FEDERAL POSITIONS in the Congress, on the U.S. Supreme Court, and at all Federal agencies. The agency founded for grooming these men is the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR – that publishes a quarterly called Foreign Affairs).”

    “The third was to create minority group strife throughout the nation, particularly between races. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was founded for that purpose.”

    “The fourth was to create a movement to destroy religion in the United States, with Christianity as the chief target. This became the task of the National Council of Churches.” The Illuminati recorded by Myron Fagan on two cassette tapes in 1967.

  • Doc I posted this yesterday but maybe you didn't see it because you didn't respond. Please respond

    "Voting out of fear is the ROOT CAUSE of why we ended up with Trump rather than with Bernie or Jill, who would have done just fine. "

    Please explain "voting out of fear"

    ————————————————it was in relation to your comment, in which you also say
    http://enenews.com/forum-off-topic-discussion-thread-non-nuclear-issues-new-as-of-january-2017/comment-page-31#comment-837150

    I do not need to 'discredit' Trump. He is discrediting himself, because he is racist, lying, narcissistic, nepotistic, woman hating, xenophobic and ignorant of how government works as well. Anyone who cannot see that, well, that speaks volumes.

  • PT I will post this again in case you missed it

    Justify your statement with real data, not bullshit rhetoric.

    "no legal recount possible"

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      The recounts were never completed.

      Judge Stops Recount in Pennsylvania
      Dec 12, 2016

      “Green Party nominee Jill Stein's quest for a recount in Pennsylvania is over: a federal judge has blocked the recount effort. Donald Trump was declared the winner of Pennsylvania's 20 Electoral College votes in a surprise upset on Election Day. Trump won the Keystone State by about 45,000 votes.

      “BREAKING: Federal judge blocks Green Party bid for presidential recount in Pennsylvania.
      — The Associated Press (@AP) December 12, 2016

      “Stein had requested and fundraised for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Michigan's recount was blocked, and Wisconsin's nearly-completed recount did not change the outcome of their election.”
      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/12/12/judge-stops-recount-in-pennsylvania-n2258793

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Hacking and the 2016 Presidential Election

          “Was the 2016 presidential election hacked? It's hard to tell. There were no obvious hacks on Election Day, but new reports have raised the question of whether voting machines were tampered with in three states that Donald Trump won this month: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

          “The researchers behind these reports include voting rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, both respected in the community. They have been talking with Hillary Clinton's campaign, but their analysis is not yet public.

          “According to a report in New York magazine, the share of votes received by Clinton was significantly lower in precincts that used a particular type of voting machine: The magazine story suggested that Clinton had received 7 percent fewer votes in Wisconsin counties that used electronic machines, which could be hacked, than in counties that used paper ballots. That is exactly the sort of result we would expect to see if there had been some sort of voting machine hack. There are many different types of voting machines, and attacks against one type would not work against the others.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

            So a voting anomaly correlated to machine type could be a red flag, although Trump did better across the entire Midwest than pre-election polls expected, and there are also some correlations between voting machine type and the demographics of the various precincts. Even Halderman wrote early Wednesday morning that 'the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked.'

            “What the allegations, and the ripples they're causing on social media, really show is how fundamentally untrustworthy our hodgepodge election system is.

            “Accountability is a major problem for US elections. The candidates are the ones required to petition for recounts, and we throw the matter into the courts when we can't figure it out. This all happens after an election, and because the battle lines have already been drawn, the process is intensely political. Unlike many other countries, we don't have an independent body empowered to investigate these matters. There is no government agency empowered to verify these researchers' claims, even if it would be merely to reassure voters that the election count was accurate.

            “Instead, we have a patchwork of voting systems: different rules, different machines, different standards.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

              I've seen arguments that there is security in this setup ¬ an attacker can't broadly attack the entire country ¬ but the downsides of this system are much more critical. National standards would significantly improve our voting process.

              “Further investigation of the claims raised by the researchers would help settle this particular question. Unfortunately, time is of the essence ¬ underscoring another problem with how we conduct elections. For anything to happen, Clinton has to call for a recount and investigation. She has until Friday to do it in Wisconsin, until Monday in Pennsylvania and until next Wednesday in Michigan. I don't expect the research team to have any better data before then. Without changes to the system, we're telling future hackers that they can be successful as long as they're able to hide their attacks for a few weeks until after the recount deadlines pass.
              “Computer forensics investigations are not easy, and they're not quick. They require access to the machines. They involve analysis of Internet traffic. If we suspect a foreign country like Russia, the National Security Agency will analyze what they've intercepted from that country. This could easily take weeks, perhaps even months. And in the end, we might not even get a definitive answer. And even if we do end up with evidence that the voting machines were hacked, we don't have rules about what to do next.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                “Although winning those three states would flip the election, I predict Clinton will do nothing (her campaign, after all, has reportedly been aware of the researchers' work for nearly a week). Not because she does not believe the researchers ¬- although she might not -¬ but because she doesn't want to throw the post-election process into turmoil by starting a highly politicized process whose eventual outcome will have little to do with computer forensics and a lot to do with which party has more power in the three states.

                “But we only have two years until the next national elections, and it's time to start fixing things if we don't want to be wondering the same things about hackers in 2018. The risks are real: Electronic voting machines that don't use a paper ballot are vulnerable to hacking.

                “Clinton supporters are seizing on this story as their last lifeline of hope. I sympathize with them. When I wrote about vote-hacking the day after the election, I said: "Elections serve two purposes. First, and most obvious, they are how we choose a winner. But second, and equally important, they convince the loser ¬- and all the supporters ¬- that he or she lost." If the election system fails to do the second, we risk undermining the legitimacy of our democratic process. Clinton's supporters deserve to know whether this apparent statistical anomaly is the result of a hack against our election system or a spurious correlation.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                  They deserve an election that is demonstrably fair and accurate. Our patchwork, ad hoc system means they may never feel confident in the outcome. And that will further erode the trust we have in our election systems.”
                  https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/11/hacking_and_the.html

                • PT are you freaking insane, are you just repeating what others have said?

                  She won Milwaukee and Madison
                  Milwaukee county, complete, all has the ES&S DS200 Optical/Digital Scan Tabulator

                  You know what the entire county of Dane county uses—the exact same electronic tabulator.

                  The data is here, TRY FUCKING DATA! Just repeating lies that don't fit your narrative, disgusting.

                  http://elections.wi.gov/elections-voting/voting-equipment/voting-equipment-use

                  You can download a spreadsheet or a PDF

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                    REPORTED

                    • Reported for showing your narrative dead to rights WRONG?

                      Data lady, DATA, not just repeating a false narrative.

                      Clinton need all 3 states to swing, and they got Stein to make the requests. Barely. Pretending that a tight timeline to make the requests somehow also "threw the results" is also VERY disingenuous. Its worse, its shameful.

                      You are getting an entire article devoted to your tripling down on stupidity.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Stock..do not buy any stilts or masks..just saying.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                    You can ignore the computer experts. I talked to other computer experts. There is widespread distrust of computer voting machines being hacked among computer experts.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      There have also been stories of Republicans registering people who don't exist and then voting for the nonexistent voters. Also stories of Republicans denying the vote to qualified voters.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      There are also Republicans who vote in more than one state. Many on Trump's team including his family are registered in more than one state.

                    • Marc Elias, the Clinton campaign counsel, said the campaign had not planned to seek a recount, since its own investigation had failed to turn up any sign of hacking of voting systems.

                    • During the election, there were hundreds of reports and p photos of people voting for Trump and having their vote switched to Clinton. A simple search on a non-Google search engine will clearly show that. there was not one case of a Hillary voter complaining that the machine didn't record their vote and switch dot Trump.

                      the weaknesses in this have been discussed since 2004. Black Box Voting.

                      In Detroit, a city that HRC won, they had to stop the recount because they found 60% of the vote to be fraudulent. MIT and Stanford said the only way HRC beat Sanders in California was through fraud.

                      Then there was the Florida fraud fiasco, the a temp worker walked into a storeroom of ballots being filled in by two women, all for HRC. Search for Clinton vote fraud 2016 and see what comes up.

                      Seth Rich knew the DNC rigged the vote. Why doesn't the DNC care that a Young Democrat was murdered> Why wouldn't they offer a reward? Why did Wikileaks offer a reward?

                      Donald Trump won because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. The Wikileaks show that her ow campaign knew that she was DOA and the Wikileaks also show how they rigged the polls.

                      They couldn't let Bernie in because he would never ago to war. Trump got in because he said he wouldn't. He lied, but with HRC, nuclear war was inevitable.

                      Gaddafi. She laughed about killing someone who was more progressive than anyone in the DNC. Bombed an underground river that provided freshwater to Africa. Keep…

                    • Kelly Ann, Aloha. Been a long day here, mahalo for chiming in here on a long line of lies and silliness.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      Hillary has never been president or the head of NATO. There is no way she could have ordered any bombing of Libya.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Good do know the secretary of state has no influence whatsoever.

                    • HRC designed the Libya strategy. Read the Wikileaks. She demanded full credit for Libya, including her infamous lie where she (and then Obama) blamed the riot on a YouTube video. We know this was false. They were hiding the fact that the US supplied stinger missiles to Al Qaeda via Turkey funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

                      Again, read Wiki. Look at the videos. It was her strategy.

                      She was a Secretary of State who FAILED at diplomacy at EVERY level, so why would anyone consider her failures in the Obama administration something worthy enough to get her elected President?

                      Look at the status of her foundation, a collection of shakedowns, including $50 million from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, where women have no rights.

                      Hillary also said on two occasions that she would attack Iran so she cold unleash the full power of the US military on them, meaning nuclear weapons.

                      HRC is a useless lawyer who couldn't pas the bar in DC. She got fired from Watergate for lying. She has zero accomplishments. Zero, unless you include being a board member for Walmart or ensuring the private prison industry keeps getting plenty of new inmates.

                      Can you cite an example of why the world is a better place because of that woman? Because I can cite a thousand as to why it is worse with her existence on this planet.

                      Oh, and look up Haiti child trafficking Clinton foundation. You will also note yet another journalist died trying to investigate those links.

                    • Project Veritus. Exposes the Democratic Party's campaign violations, tossing out Republican registrations, illegal campaigning, birddogging, etc.

                      Instead of defending that lying, treasonous, murderous, conniving evil bitch whose nickname rhymes with runt, why don't you use your energy to share your concern about the environment with the Trump administration? I have. So what if it falls on deaf ears – at least I stood up and said something, e same thing I said to the Obama administration, actually.

                      Have you taken the time to do anything more than compete with the drunk troll for face time on this site?

        • PT are you seriously trying to pretend that because there were extra ballots cast in Detroit, that this somehow leads credence to your delusion that admitted vote fraud would have somehow helped Trump? In Detroit, black, poor, plenty of government assistance, thats the calling card of the Dems.

      • PT, thanks for reminding me of another reason to hate two faced Stein, as she allowed herself to be used as a tool to pretend the recount effort was coming from her, and not from Hillary Establishment.

        Doesnt even pass a straight face test.

        Wisconsin's was decided, it would not have changed the outcome in Wisconsin.

        How can you freaking miss that?

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Or or, he's saying, that much of the solar manufacturing is bullshit and when federal government is involved it's even more bullshit.

      Those (that would be, the currently commercialized) lithium batteries and solar panels won't be saving the world any time soon.

      It's a nice sentiment though.

      • Ah, the old lithium meme

        We have been through this before, apparently you didn't pay attention.

        And the the confusing "manufacturing" pot shot and then the generalized bullshit line.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Yes we have (well, mostly unincredulous mentioned some related crap) and you had no response to it then, as you don't seem to have responses to many other posts and/or replies not quite fitting your agenda.

          Is it the lithium in your covfefe? Crack is whack bro, so, I guess I get to talk back with some smack, you got shit, and Jack.

    • Sol Man

      If he were honest about the matter Conca must do an article about " Why
      Do Meltdown/outs, Poisoned Environments, Broken Genomes, and Mutations Make Nuclear Energy So Costly?

      But, we know that we will never see that.

  • Obe, hilarious…thats I was thinking too.

    with my Russia/Snowden link I could be in big trouble. What a deluded bot that persona is.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/&refURL=&referrer=

    Hey, check out his accountants there. I think that's the article (iirc) that mentions it. I can't confirm because my web browser seems to block forbes.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    Nuclear Hotseat:

    Hanford Update

    Grand Canyon Uranium Mining Contamination Continues

    US-Japan Nuclear Energy Cooperation Treaty

    "This Week’s Featured Interviews:

    • Mari Inoue of Manhattan Project for a Nuclear-Free World on the US-Japan Nuclear Energy Cooperation Treaty – and why we don’t want it.

    • Alicyn Gitlin on uranium mining contamination of the Grand Canyon. She coordinates the Campaign to Restore and Protect the Greater Grand Canyon Ecoregion Campaign"

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fukushima prognosis and how radioactivity affects the body: Medical facts from Dr. Helen Caldicott
    May 30 2017

    https://antinuclear.net/2017/05/30/fukushima-prognosis-and-how-radioactivity-affects-the-body-medical-facts-from-dr-helen-caldicott/

    "The Japanese government was so concerned that they were considering plans to evacuate 35 million people from Tokyo, as other reactors including Fukushima Daiini on the east coast were also at risk. Thousands of people fleeing from the smoldering reactors were not notified where the radioactive plumes were travelling, despite the fact that there was a system in place to track the plumes. As a result, people fled directly into regions with the highest radiation concentrations, where they were exposed to high levels of whole-body external gamma radiation being emitted by the radioactive elements, inhaling radioactive air and swallowing radioactive elements. [2] Unfortunately, inert potassium iodide was not supplied, which would have blocked…"

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This, this.
    This is supposed to somehow remove itself from our mental vision?
    Not this day, or any other.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hundreds Of Dead Seabirds, Sea Lions Wash Up In Southern California
    The likely culprit is a toxic algal bloom, fueled by warmer ocean temperatures
    May 31 2017

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seabirds-sea-lions-california_us_592e8055e4b055a197ce440a

    So what is the extent of the bloom? How hot is the water?
    To what do they attribute the bloom?
    Climate change?
    And what do they attribute climate change to?
    What was the catalyst for the increased 'fouling' of the water in the last few years?
    And what they attribute climate change to?
    Some natural screwing up of an ocean whose waters sustained in balance .. since antiquity and beyond?

    Humans just innocent observers?!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    So what happen when the 'Cool Blob" arrives.

    The Cold Blob is here: what does this imply for this summer?
    May 30 2017

    http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-cold-blob-is-here-what-does-this.html

    The fish get chilblains?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "A female R. japonica at Minamisoma showed the lowest concentration of radiocesium (the sum of 134Cs and 137Cs) (36.81 Bq/kg, snot-vent length (SVL) = 62.68 mm), and a composite sample of 5 males and 3 juveniles (sex unknown) of R. tagoi tagoi at Namie C showed the highest concentration of radiocesium (47,278.53 Bq/kg, mean SVL of males = 37.65 mm, mean SVL of juveniles = 11.17 mm)."

    "[…] the Ministry of the Environment reported a markedly contaminated frog (Buergeria buergeri 160,000 Bq/kg-wet at 11.3 μSv/h) caught at a certain location in Minamisoma. B. buergeri inhabits forests"

    My name is Happy, the frog.

    "there were no clear abnormalities in the gonadal tissues of frogs collected from sites with different contamination levels." My glasses were foggy and we got this microscope at a thrift shop. The rust isn't too bad. We sandblasted it and the lens looks fine. A bit foggy…

    "In the present study, we did not observe clear aberrations in the morphology of germ cells in the testes and ovaries of frogs caught in the contaminated sites; however, not all aberrations may have been visible to us."

    Residents of Minamisoma are frog gigging and singing the happy song. The frogs are easier to find. The gieger counter gets them close, and the glowing frogs are easy to spot

    Oh, man I got something in my eye!

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09712

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