TV: Officials concerned about 400 ft. tall pipe near Fukushima reactors collapsing during quake — 8 cracks found in support brace — Gov’t orders immediate investigation — Tepco unsure how to access area as radiation levels around it are 10 sieverts per hour (PHOTO & VIDEO)

Published: September 18th, 2013 at 11:22 pm ET
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NHK Newsline, Sept. 19, 2013 (Transcript Excerpts): The people in charge of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant have yet another problem on their hands. They say they found cracks in the brace supporting an exhaust pipe. Authorities are concerned the pipe could collapse in another earthquake […] Officials with Tepco say they spotted cracks in 8 places on the steel brace that holds the pipe upright. […] Overseers at the nuclear regulation authority are demanding that company officials investigate immediately. They want to know if the structure can withstand another earthquake.

NHK WORLD English, Sept. 18, 2013: […] workers on Wednesday discovered the cracks and cuts at 8 places in the buttress about 66 meters above the ground. The Nuclear Regulation Authority has ordered the company to assess the capacity of the pipe to withstand an earthquake as quickly as possible. The 120-meter vertical pipe stands between the number-1 and number-2 reactor buildings. […] they believe the 2011 earthquake damaged the steel framework. They say they have not observed any obvious damage in the pipe itself. The officials say they are considering how to access the pipe to assess its strength. The area around the pipe is contaminated with high levels of radiation measuring 10 sieverts per hour.

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123 comments to TV: Officials concerned about 400 ft. tall pipe near Fukushima reactors collapsing during quake — 8 cracks found in support brace — Gov’t orders immediate investigation — Tepco unsure how to access area as radiation levels around it are 10 sieverts per hour (PHOTO & VIDEO)

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    How dangerous is the radiation measuring 10 sieverts per hour?

    • Thats funny coming from you Anne?!?!

      I think it mean quick death after like 4 minutes, maybe less

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        TY, stock and Mark, I knew it was really horribly high. But I thought someone else would have the most accurate information and I'm really tired right now. I'm really feeling my age, and the emotions of the sad events. My younger sister has more cancer, in a third location. And no one in my family follows my food advice.

        • Very sorry to hear,Anne, I haven't been following the comments much as I have moved to my "bug in location"

          25 CPM and Here I can control my water and food, and at least indoor air with HEPA.

          I wonder what Hawaii will be like when the ocean is splashing at 50 Bq/HR. I think I jumped ship before the SHTF over there. Lots of Hawaii stories coming out now.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            anne, am also sorry to hear about your sister. Understand your frustration about trying make dietary suggestions to family. Am eating lower on the food chain, these days. Next to go will be all N. Hemisphere dairy. Need to try to find a safe source of coconut milk to replace it. Or something palatable. When our meat is gone, it's gone. Too risky now.

            Many of us are feeling our age. 'Don't know about you, but feel I've aged about 10 years since 3/11.

            One of the videos I watched today showed Prime Minister Abe's interview with Tepco officials, sometime in the past week. One of the managers (also a spokesman in many Tepco interviews) was in the video foreground. He has aged so much I barely recognized him.

            This is taking its toll on everyone, whether they realize it or not.

            My heart goes out to you and your family, and people like Johnny Blade. Incredible that so many people in his family have cancer. Makes me wonder if they're really improperly disposing nuke waste near his neighborhood, as he suspects. Or maybe they are being affected by the LaSalle accident?

            Trying not to freak out & trying not to "wait for the next shoe to drop," i.e., the 400 foot tall stack.

            Maybe smart bridge or structural engineers can come up with an idea How does one erect a support structure at 66 meters in the air? And make it structurally sound, braced in the right places?

            So many things wrong with Fukushima Daichi it's almost unbelievable. Except it's real.

        • Sorry to hear about your sister. Its frustrating but still a fact that some people won't listen.

        • My family has tolerated my "conspiracy theories" for years. Just this last month, they came to "shite, you were right"

          but for the most part they don't follow the simple…get a geiger, get some HEPA filters, build your shelter in place box, stay out of rain unless you know its OK, take anti-oxidants"

        • Kat Kat

          Anne….I know this is off topic, but I could use some advice on that subject. I am dealing with that too. Is there any way members can send personal messages here?

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Kat, I'm not Anne, but I can tell you she posted excellent information at the Forum area for "combating radiation and its effects" in the months just after 3/11. It was Anne who got me studying up on how to change my diet, get the right nutritional supplements, do detoxificiation, etc.

            Check the archives. If you still need more info. and want an additional source of info., I've archived some of the suggestions in a document I can send to you.

            HoTaters@hush.com

            Give me a couple of days (up to a week) to get back to you.

            Check out what Mike Adams, the Health Ranger says, comments made by Marc Sircus, OMD, and Dr. Mercola (all on the web). There is another site put up by an herbalist, but I don't have the link right here.

            There are a lot of published research papers on remediating radiation in soils, and on changing your diet, taking supplements — done post-Chernobyl. A lot of what is known comes out of studies done on Chernobyl.

        • markww markww

          Anne send me a email Please secondary email is

          markwiderstorm@aol.com

        • Sixela Sixela

          Anne –

          Will they try Essiac Tea? I'm not selling anything, I've just read good things about it, and am about to start it for my dog (currently on turmeric, and grain-free diet). The prep instructions are pretty specific, but not difficult.

          http://www.herbalhealer.com/essiac.html

          This is a free book about Essiac. Good read. I wish your family health and peace. Obviously rad- detoxes would also be appropriate.
          http://www.healsa.co.za/PDF%20Files/Calling_of_an_Angel.pdf

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            TY, Sixela. There is discussion of this tea on the forum on how to combat radiation.

          • bo bo

            This is my personal crackpot theory but there is also a concoction called 'Harry Hoxey's secret, and another native american herbal concoction (to which I forgot the name of) but since the one common ingredient in all three (Harry Hoxey, Essiac, and the native american version) was burdock, for now I just try to drink burdock tea whenever I can.

            Both Harry Hoxey and Essiac both contain licorice (although not the native american concoction) too, and that's even easier to find in stores.

            Just an idea, if you don't have the time to brew the proper thing every day. Burdock must be really good for you. Because there is also a saying in japan 'eat burdock and live a thousand years'

            • bo bo

              I'm sure people on this site are conscious enough to do the right things, but the burdock/licorice tea has been a useful suggestion for those with stubborn loved ones with cancer who frown at any thick herbal alternative health concoction

      • dosdos dosdos

        Six minutes would be a lethal dose within a month. Longer would shorten the time span.

        • We Not They Finally

          dosdos, that is what is deceptive about reports on radiation readings across the board. It's cumulative ALWAYS. So with last week's hot-spot-of-the-week, 1.8 sieverts, and if you were just continuously standing there, you'd be dead in 2-4 hours. 10 sieverts is close to 6 times as much, so if you just stood there, best guess is that 20-40 minutes would be your life expectancy, not one month!!

          • We Not They Finally

            Well, if it makes you feel any better to have 40 minutes to live, instead of 20 minutes to live [sarc]….

            The whole world needs a teach-in about CUMULATIVE doses of these poisons. Like grade school up.

            • We Not They Finally

              The travesty, of course, is that the article is still about "a leaky pipe," not about dying in a half hour.

  • Anne, this article states you will die within 2 weeks with 10 Sv/hr.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-02/tepco-reports-second-deadly-radiation-reading-at-fukushima-plant.html

    Above includes picture of current problem. Actually looks like the same pic as provided today. Looks like the tower has been exposed to high radiation for two years at least. No wonder there are stress cracks. Metal gets brittle with radiation exposure. Expect more lies.

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      But how long is "a single exposure"? 1 second, 1 minute. I think a minute at 10 Sv/h would be pretty horrific…

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      This article also says: "…The 10 sieverts of radiation detected on Aug. 1 outside reactor buildings was the highest the Geiger counters used were capable of reading, indicating the level could have been higher, Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at the utility,…"
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-02/tepco-reports-second-deadly-radiation-reading-at-fukushima-plant.html

      • So true, the radiation might be 1000 Sieverts. No one went and measured it. Or they are not reporting it.

      • bo bo

        So between then and now, did tepco get geiger counter that can measure above 10 sieverts…?! Or are they just reporting 10 sieverts because they can't measure beyond that ?

        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          yes TEPCO has the capability to measure higher readings but I'm assuming this was taken by workers who did not possess the new model. No worries we will hear about levels rising ten fold or more and the infamous apology.

      • We Not They Finally

        Interesting round-off. Yeah, 10 Sieverts sounds a little too exact. It could be anything.

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Anne sorry to hear about your sister. I went through surgery and radiation therapy for my spouse who had stage 4 prostate cancer. It has been over five years now and he is fine, knock wood. I did my research and found the best surgeon, the best oncologist and we followed her advice. It's a lot of work being a caregiver and you tend to forget to take care of YOU. Please don't forget to do that as I lost over twenty pounds but I also had a sick son and brother to take care of. No worries and please take good care of YOU.

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      no mention of exposure time with high doses in that article 10,000mSv per ?

      • http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=7955

        Shows all radiation measurements taken of unit one and posits various melt through theories. Eatliesndie 10,000 mSv is ten Sv. Background radiation of Vancouver is .11 micro Sv per hour or .11 of one millionth of a Sv.

        Anne, I noticed that too. Assuming ten Sv/hr a team would have about a minute to do something and then get out. But the radiation could be higher.

        • eatliesndie eatliesndie

          yes, I know the conversion, but it's stupidly massive!

          • eatliesndies, Yeah but still 10 Sv on a tower stack and they are trying to figure out how to work around the high radiation. Gonna be tough for them to demo the tower. Still they have readings of up to a million sieverts inside at the bottom of the torus room unit one. See http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=6340 Doubt they will do more then bury it in concrete if possible or continue dumping water on the mess. They might well call it a clean up effort for the olympics

            • rogerthat

              Combine up to a million sieverts recorded at the bottom of the torus room at unit 1 with total annual rainfall on the Fukushima site of 3 million tonnes, a million tonnes of which gets absorbed by the ground – and presumably flows through the site and into the sea – and what do we have? Then add the water from the underground river flowing through the site, the underground water flowing from the mountains into the sea, plus some of the cooling water Tepco pumps in every day, and finally the seawater that permeates the site with the rising and falling of the tide, and what do we have? A small case of under-reporting by Tepco, methinks. They say 300 tonnes a day of contaminated water flows into the sea.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Some of the Chernobyl first responders working at the plant when the accident happened received massive doses of radiation. Yet it took several of them weeks of suffering before they finally died.

      Here's a link to a 6+ minute video on the early days after the Chernobyl accident:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCcutzXzYg

      The Battle of Chernobyl:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPgsesupDQ

      And this:

      http://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3144959/closer-to-death-chernobyl-diaries-and-the-death-zone/

      "The initial flames and heat drew fire fighters to their unforeseen deaths. In deadly radioactive conditions that would dismantle a human body after 40 minutes of exposure, men dropped where they stood, bleeding from their orifices, defecating and vomiting their liquified innards."

      Lest we forget or underestimate the seriousness of any nuclear accident.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        The radiation levels around Chernobyl were measured in Roentgens.

        1 Roentgen = 0.01 Sievert

        It was said by the second day, radiation just outside Chernobyl measured 2800 Sieverts. That would be equivalent to 28 Sieverts. Am not sure what the firemen who tried to put out the fire were exposed to ….

        The conversion used:

        http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-group/factors.php?cat=radiation—dose-equivalent&unit=5&val=

        Correct me, please if I'm wrong, Mark, Stock, anyone with more expertise.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          RE: the level in Roentgens, that statement was made by an Army Colonel whose men were ordered to measure radiation levels in Pripyat, and around the Chernobyl plant. See about 10 minutes into the "Battle of Chernobyl" video.

        • bo bo

          Ho taters, dumb question here, still trying to untangle sieverts…
          Why is 2800 sieverts equivalent to 28 sieverts? And when people say 'sieverts' – is it a given it's 'per hour' ? And is roentgen a soviet standard?

  • pkjn

    "Fukushima day, 60 billion becquerels of radioactive materials discharged"
    Korean Broadcasting System 2013.09.19
    Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear power plant in Japan is still a day of 60 billion becquerels of radioactive materials are being discharged into the Pacific Ocean analysis came out.
    Kyodo Japan Meteorological Agency and other Japanese media Michio Aoyama, chief researchers of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Austria yesterday scientific forum to see the same information that was reported.
    Michio Institute of radioactive material from the Fukushima nuclear plant cesium-137 and strontium-90 in a day by approximately 60 billion becquerels said that is released into the Pacific Ocean.
    Japan Nuclear Regulatory Commission in this regard due to the Fukushima nuclear accident to determine contamination of the seabed from yesterday seabed surveys began measuring the concentration of radioactive cesium.
    http://news.kbs.co.kr/news/NewsView.do?SEARCH_NEWS_CODE=2726146&ref=D

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    I think what they are hinting at is that they no longer want to work at the site. They are going to break it to us ever so slowly that they are going to just walk away.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert

    Per Wiki, 1 Gray (Gy) is about 1 Sv

    Per this medical site, 4 Gy will kill 50% of everyone quickly, and almost everyone within 30 days.

    http://www.diagnose-me.com/symptoms-of/radiation-poisoning.html

    This other chart I screen capped shows that 10Sv, prognosis is poor and average death at 2 weeks.

    This aint cancer folks….this is direct killing of the system.

    http://screencast.com/t/bqDNoLEliQQN

  • Sickputer

    So are they soliciting advice? I will give them some…Use a crane to connect a cable to the pipe tower and stretch it tight from the side/direction you want it to fall (away from the Unit buildings).

    Then fly a couple of remote mini helicopters with explosives and blow a "mother cut" into the structure and pull it down. Might work.

    • jec jec

      Is there any place SAFE to drop the venting stack? Idea to drop it with cables, cranes..etc etc would really be the only option as cranes are remote controlled. Any whoops and bye bye Reactors 1 or 2 and the Common Fuel Pool. Like dumping in the ocean, the 'rainwater,' bet TEPCO is waiting to blame mother nature. Brittle metal is everywhere.even in the cranes, one of which has already failed.Called a 'new' crane brought in just after the tsumani…it and the vent stack are in similar condition with stress fractures and weaken areas all over from radiation. Has anyone considered the frames of the building are metal? Think ENENEWS has already brought up that 'rumor'..which is truth.

  • mld333

    This keeps on until DR. Manhatten is the only one left watching

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Here is the same reading in 2011:

    Highest Radiation Ever Detected At Fukushima: 10+ Sieverts An Hour

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/01/2011
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/highest-radiation-ever-detected-fukushima-10-sieverts-hour

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Comments at nuc.berkeley.edu
      2011-08-01
      “The ONLY nuclear containment is hiding the radioactive reality.
      “There was at least one nuclear explosion at Fukushima.
      “These 'HOT' readings prove that an atomic explosion occurred. “
      http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5161

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Another comment:
      “The Gamma Ray Camera photo is the SMOKING GUN.
      “The Gamma Radiation photo shows the hot spots in the structural metal. This is direct evidence of a nuclear explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi plant.
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43982727/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/
      http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE7710XF20110802
      “Death in seconds: Radiation pockets found at Fukushima plant
      “The company used equipment to measure radiation from a distance and was unable to ascertain the exact level because the device's maximum reading is 10 sieverts.
      “TEPCO via Reuters (pb-110802-fukushima-da_grid-7×2)
      “An image taken by a gamma ray camera showing the bottom of a ventilation stack where radiation exceeding 10 sieverts per hour – seen here in red – was recorded.msnbc.com news services”
      http://www.GammaCamNow.com
      http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5161

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Another comment:
      “PROOF, according to the Atomic Energy Commission.
      “Two documentary films describe an earlier uncontrolled atomic explosion in a nuclear reactor. There are many documented accounts of this fatal nuclear reactor prompt criticality. Perhaps it is simpler for non-technical readers to watch these military briefing films. It is easy to ‘cut to the chase’ about why the GammaCam readings are ‘proof positive’ of an uncontained nuclear explosion, ie ‘a smoking gun’. To view a description and explanation of this proof, simply fast-forward the film, to the indicated Elapsed Time (ET) [min:s]
      18:46, “Evidence of an uncontrolled chain reaction”
      19:18, “Only neutron capture could have transmuted (metals)”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIBQMkd96CA&feature=player_embedded#at=817
      http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com/2010/11/sl-1-nuclear-reactor-accid
      http://www.inl.gov/proving-the-principle/chapter_15.pdf
      http://www.id.doe.gov/foia/archive.htm
      “U.S. Atomic Energy Commission Idaho Operations Office
      “The Stationary Low-Power Reactor Number One (SL-1), was a United States Army experimental nuclear power reactor. On January 3, 1961 the reactor was restarted after a shutdown of eleven days. Maintenance procedures commenced, which required the main central control rod to be withdrawn a few inches; at 9:01 p.m. this rod was withdrawn almost to the top of the core, causing SL-1 to go prompt critical.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        [cont.]
        In four milliseconds, the heat generated by the resulting enormous power surge caused water surrounding the core to begin to explosively vaporize. The water vapor caused a pressure wave to strike the top of the reactor vessel. This propelled the control rod and the entire reactor vessel upwards, which killed the operator who had been standing on top of the vessel, leaving him pinned to the ceiling. The other two military personnel, a supervisor and a trainee, were also killed. The victims were Army Specialists John A. Byrnes and Richard L. McKinley and Navy Electrician's Mate Richard C. Legg.
        “On the night of January 4, a team of six volunteers used a plan involving teams of two to recover the body of Byrnes. Radioactive gold 198Au from the man's brass watch buckle and copper 64Cu from a screw in a cigarette lighter subsequently PROVED that the reactor had indeed gone prompt critical. Up until the recovery of radioisotopes of uranium, fission products, and the radioactive isotopes from the men's belongings, scientists had doubted that a nuclear excursion had occurred, thinking it inherently safe. These findings ruled out early speculations that a chemical explosion caused the accident.”
        http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5161

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Another comment:
      “Hydrogen explosions at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power generation station, self-converted to at least one nuclear explosion. The plutonium enriched MOX fuel in Fukushima 3 is the prime suspect for cause of the uncontrolled nuclear fission blast. The induced radiation in concrete, steel, brass and other common materials is ‘the-smoking-gun’. There remains little (no) doubt that at least one nuclear blast occurred. This is not some new, advanced physics concept. It dates to Fermi.
      “Nuclear explosions violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Thus, the Fukushima-3 nuclear explosion is a violation of the international CTBTO rules. Criminal statutes are called for under the provisions of the CTBT. So, when do the prosecutions begin?
      http://www.chemcases.com/nuclear/nc-02.html
      “In 1934, it occurred to Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist, to use neutrons to produce radioactivity. In Rome, his group obtained a strong radon/beryllium neutron source and began to bombard the elements in order of increasing atomic number, beginning with hydrogen. Fluorine (Z = 9) target gave a radioactive product. In the next 3 years, the group identified 40 new radioactive isotopes.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Another comment:
      “Peter Burns, former chief executive officer of the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency:
      “’The levels reported of 10 sieverts per hour are very high levels and it’s going to be very difficult to manage workers going into those areas and doing operations.’
      “’10 sieverts is actually a lethal dose of radiation. So you can’t afford to be exposed for more than a few minutes at those levels.’
      “’It means you’re directly exposed to fuel rods in the reactors or the spent fuel ponds very closely and while it’s possible to get to those levels it means there is very little shielding going on there.’”
      http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5161

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Another comment:
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/world/asia/02japan.html?_r=1
      Fatal Radiation Level Found at Japanese Plant
      By MARTIN FACKLER
      Published: August 1, 2011
      “TOKYO — The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant said Monday that it measured the highest radiation levels within the plant since it was crippled by a devastating earthquake. However, it said the discovery would not slow continuing efforts to bring the plant’s damaged reactors under control.
      “The operator, Tokyo Electric Power, said that workers on Monday afternoon had found an area near Reactors No. 1 and 2, where radiation levels exceeded their measuring device’s maximum reading of 10 sieverts per hour — a fatal dose for humans.”
      http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5161

      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        anne, great info. You rock.

      • amberlight amberlight

        The deaths of those workers whose dosimeters went off the charts will not be publicized. The coroner's report will read "unknown cause" while Tepco assures us that they operate under the strictest safety measures and that radiation was not implicated in the deaths. Their obituaries on the back pages will be full of platitudes about "leaving us too soon" but not a word about what caused their early demise.

        Nope, not a single death resulted from the Fukushima disaster…

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Six minutes lethal dose, and reactors are allowed to operate around the world.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Death in seconds: Radiation pockets found at Fukushima plant
    'Leakage at the plant may have been contained or slowed but it has not been sealed off completely,' expert says
    [from 8/2011]
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43982727/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/#.UjqGRn-oqQE

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Fukushima : 10 Sieverts/hour (10.000mSv) recorded by TEPCO 08
    8/2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCQc_xqsnE

  • norbu norbu

    If they cant go near it how did they find the cracks?
    N

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Tepco Reports Second Deadly Radiation Reading at Fukushima Nuclear Plant
    By Tsuyoshi Inajima & Kari Lundgren – Aug 3, 2011
    “’Ten sieverts is the upper limit for many dosimeters and almost equal to the amount that killed workers at the JCO nuclear accident in 1999,’ said Tomoko Murakami, a nuclear researcher at the Institute of Energy Economics, Japan.
    “In that accident, then the world’s worst since Chernobyl in 1986, more than 600 people were exposed to radiation after workers inadvertently started a nuclear chain reaction while processing nuclear fuel at a plant near Tokyo. Two employees of JCO Co., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sumitomo Metal Mining Co., died from radiation exposure. …”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-02/tepco-reports-second-deadly-radiation-reading-at-fukushima-plant.html

  • Here is a robot that can withstand 20 Sv/hr.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/07/japan-sends-team-of-23-rescue-robots-that-withstand-radiation-to-fukushima/

    But all it can do is take measurements and video. The tower won't be taken down with robots.

    Japans policy of perception. " Eiji Koyanagi, vice director of the Future Robotics Technology Center in Japan hypothesizes that funding for Japanese nuclear response robotics dried up after the 1999 Tokaimura accident, because the country was trying to protect the impression it had painstakingly created of the near-absolute safety of nuclear power. Koyanagi says funding such research would have meant that, "people were obviously going to ask, 'Wait, is there going to be a situation so dangerous that humans can't enter the plant?'". See http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2013/ph241/mori2/

  • razzz razzz

    "Example: On October 1, 2011, radiation at a hospital entrance (people walking in and out) near Fukushima in Japan was measured at 0.51 microSv/hr. Someone working at the entrance would be exposed to 0.51 x 2,000 hr/yr = 1.02 mSv/yr which is well within (background + manmade) radiation range. This radiation exposure has to be typed, converted to dose and adjusted with factors to estimate any health impact." http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/53939/radiation-exposure

    That last sentence sums it up because different radiations have different effects and have to be known besides what their decay rates are.

    The writeup is long but informative even if you skim to the examples and skip the technical details for example:

    "RADIOACTIVE ISOTOPES IN DRINKING WATER AND FOOD

    Airborne radioactive isotopes from the Chernobyl and Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant fires were spread by the weather and have entered the soil, water, and the fauna and flora. The isotopes are most harmful if they enter the human body through inhalation, ingestion or open wounds.

    The isotopes of greatest concern for drinking water and food (including seafood and kelp) are:" (See the writeup)

    In the meantime online, I buy shorts in the winter and insulated hiking boots in the summer.

  • pkjn

    Fukushima derived radionuclides in the ocean
    IAEA Scientific Forum 17-18 September 2013 Vienna, Austria
    Rate of 137Cs and 90Sr discharge to the open ocean from FNPP1
    ca. 30 GBq day-1 n in 2013
    http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Meetings/PDFplus/2013/cn207/Presentations/1028-Aoyama.pdf

    • Mack Mack

      Look on page 11 of the IAEA report.

      It shows radionuclides in the ocean just skirting Hawaii and not coming near the west coast of the U.S.

      If this map is correct, it's not looking good for the Phillipines or parts of the southern hemisphere.

      The radiation gets closer to Ecuador and Peru's coastline.

      And travels to Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, northern Australia.

      • jec jec

        @ANNE you have found a 'smoking gun." Limited ability to measure radiation due to the reading level of the device used. The 10 sieverts per hour is likely (!!!) higher, since "device's maximum reading is 10 sieverts." So could be higher for sure. Criminal coverup and tragic are understatements.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Us old 'newsers remember the TEPCO webcam at Unit1. I seem to remember reports of fissure ground fires at the base of this tower right along. Remembering as well neutron beams, which would probably make quick work cutting steel pipe. Decommission the stack now. Timber!!

    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      No matter what is done to physically "decomission" the stack, it must be kept in mind that any method that allows even a "jiggle" of the stack risks giant local-to-medium-range volitalization of whatever "loosies" are in the stack. This will be inevitable without a tent, right? I'd think a cough from that stack could probably cause more logistic problems around the plant. Oops, I can't take that access road anymore until we get some lead or steel on the ground, or bulldoze, or something.

      I guess it's not just Alpha, Beta, Gamma…there are significant X and nuetron pockets, or threads. And what about muons or other sub-atomic particles? Experiment used muons to search for cores? What kinds of emissions are concentrated at that site that are travelling through most of the Earth before hitting anything?

  • hbjon hbjon

    After venting massive amounts plutonium, uranium, and frankensteinium out that pipe, the best place for it is the bottom of the ocean.

    • weeman

      The best place for the stack to be stored is the board room of tepco, not in the ocean, what did the fish do to deserve this, nothing but feed a third of the world.
      Now how to remove stack with shape charges and leverage, or heavy lift helicopter and shape charges or reduce the size of stack will put less stress on structure. To a engineer not difficult or tool and die maker.
      Must have been a hell of a release of radioactive gases going through stack at time of accident, when venting, note the high levels are at bottom of stack and the other area is in horizontal pipe leading to stack, probably a low spot and radioactive material accumulated due to gravity.

  • Securitize

    Is this by chance in the area around reactor 3 where the nuclear fuel blew out onto the ground and had to be bulldozed over? If that's the case, then this tower is getting plenty of gamma shine which will make the steel brittle. It probably cracked during an earthquake as a result.

    Obfuscation is sooooo easy with these accidents. It's just some earthquake damage, no worries, just a single bad-luck event. It's not like the entire site is slowly falling apart…

  • Can't find the link but the stack is for venting #1 and #2 so stack is probably between #1 & #2.

  • Securitize, repost of one of Anne's links she posted above last night. You will see the tower in this picture.

    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/08/02/fukushima-staggering-10-sieverts-per-hour-outside-reactor-1-2/

  • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

    The stack in the article is the one on the far left of the webcam view.
    Its horrible they mention 10 Seiverts and hour and no one can get close because about a week ago I observed 6 or 7 men working near the base of the tower closest to the webcam (the one in the center of the view). They were there for over 2 hours! I wonder if those men were told about the radiation levels????
    Also the crane that collapsed a couple of weeks ago was(still is) located between both stacks.

  • yellowrain

    Like the stack is the worst thing at the site. Really

  • SteveMT

    5.8 Magnitude Quake Shakes Fukushima

    TEPCO SAYS NO ABNORMALITY AT FUKUSHIMA PLANT AFTER QUAKE: KYODO

    Now why would TEPCO possibly lie about something like that?

    * * *

    How could the Fed have known?

    EARTHQUAKE REPORTED TO HAVE HIT AT 02:25:09 JAPAN TIME: JMA
    JAPAN EARTHQUAKE MAGNITUDE 5.8, AGENCY SAYS
    JAPAN EARTHQUAKE LEVEL 5+ ON JAPANESE SCALE OF 7 IN FUKUSHIMA
    NO TSUNAMI ALERT FROM JMA AFTER THE QUAKE

    Reporting on location from Japan:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-19/earthquake-early-warning-issued-fukushima

  • mairs mairs

    5.8 earthquake struck near Daiichi plant.

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Earth to ENE admin, and members, hello? Come in – does anyone copy?

      Two 5.8 Nukushima quakes today, followed by 6 (SIX) more EQs over 3, and yet no lead news item, or blog discussion? Just pass on by?

      These quakes come in swarms: much more of this and reactor 4 SFP collapse may very well be above-the-fold world headline news.

      05:26 JST 20 Sep 2013 05:23 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.2 1
      02:52 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:49 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.2 1
      02:49 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:46 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.1 1
      02:43 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:38 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.2 1
      02:39 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:33 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.4 1
      02:35 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:30 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.9 1
      02:31 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:25 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M5.8 5+
      02:29 JST 20 Sep 2013 02:25 JST 20 Sep 2013 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M5.8 5+

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          Is Yahoo's puff piece of "A 5.3-magnitude earthquake has hit…" what should be out there for all to see? Is Yahoo the goto source to see about Nukushima?

          ENENEWS is where the complete news should be for all to see, and now it's getting worse, so the latest is: 2 quakes 5.8 followed by first 6, and just now 7 quakes over 3.

      • razzz razzz

        Recent quakes following a typical pattern when there is a swarm then expect a major strike at a size of adding M-2 to the precursor quakes. Usually less than 10% chance a larger quake will strike.

        Here there is a swarm in the M3 range so you add M2 to get a possible M5 quake +/-. M6-M/7 strikes are at less than a 10% chance but only applies to the area of the recent quakes.

        I am still trying to figure out how you get 10 sieverts on some frame supports 200+ feet off the ground when they say the vent pipe itself is not damage. Did some plutonium silly putty fly up there and stick on it during an explosion?

  • byron byron

    Even if the tower is taken down safely, more radiation would be closer to ground level instead of some going up the stack. Makes it even more difficult to work there.

    • byron byron

      Thanks Mark n Mairs. Thought I saw an article here when the cover was being put over number 1 that they were using the stack to vent the radiation higher into the sky so they could work safely (ha, ha) at ground level.

  • Byron, they say they are not using the stack. If you can believe them. The actual news story has been taken off line so you only have the Enenews record, many thanks for all you do Mr Enenews, they knew from the get go it was a triple melt through yet called it a level 5 accident for a month. For you older Enenewsers, a trip down memory lane. http://enenews.com/japan-officially-raises-fukushima-to-level-7-same-as-chernobyl-translation

    • mairs mairs

      Arnie said early on that the stacks were no longer functional after the earthquake and tsunami. One of his early videos. I think it had to do with the ducting not being there anymore.

    • mairs mairs

      Or the stacks needed pumps to push the radiation into them and there were of course no functional pumps.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    This is akin to awaiting the next shoe to fall…

    … I'm thinking, 'What's next..?'

    • Anthony Anthony

      Hmm we'll see tomorrow!

    • truthseek truthseek

      Exactly, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Or find the ones, the coriums and every other dirty old discarded boot which we know has already been abruptly thrown on the floor in the nasty corner.

      Thing appear to be quite bad… I feel FUKU'd
      I am uncomfortable, you (well I) can feel it. I am so uncomfortable 'in my body', feel 'mentally mushy' and psychically on edge… Especially as one very centered, (typically) in touch with myself and surroundings… I ponder the prospect of a 'zombie nation' as radionuclides gradually 'do their thang'. Our environment is imbalanced, so am I…

      • MichaelV MichaelV

        I feel it… zombie fatigue; human genome is broken.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          MichaelV no worries, they are "conspiring" right now to correct your zombie fatigue problem as your new synthesized world quickly approaches.

          I Wonder if these babies will be able to take the massive spewing radiation contamination…
          http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetically-modified-babies/5350370

          This is a "hard line" conspiracy!

          • MichaelV MichaelV

            Obe,

            My evidence of GMO babies has heretofore been allegorical, but this is direct proof…

            …there is a group of humanoids controlling everything.

            What if we end up fighting them as the last human survivors, like in Stephen King's 'The Stand'

          • MichaelV MichaelV

            Obe,

            My evidence of GMO babies has heretofore been allegorical, but this is direct proof…

            …there is a group of humanoids controlling everything.

            What if we end up fighting them as the last human survivors, like in Stephen King's 'The Stand'?

  • markww markww

    Just yank the thing down with a hook and problem solved

  • mairs mairs

    I remember in the 80's the US started requiring that speedometers in cars only go up to 85 miles per hour. My husband had a sports car and the speedometer was a joke. That so reminds me of TEPCO and their completely inadequate radiation detectors.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Yeah, they will be needing something with a readout like the U.S. debt clock for an accurate count pretty soon, unless we all get lucky the law of gravity, earthquakes, and weather are rescinded.