TV: Radiation in ocean off Fukushima at highest levels in years — Out of control leakage coming from plant — ‘Big spikes’ in radioactivity observed — “Surprising… Concerning… Crisis” — 1,000s of tons of contaminated liquid being released — Scientists: Japan gov’t covering up situation (AUDIO)

Published: March 16th, 2016 at 6:29 pm ET


KGW (NBC channel in Portland, OR), Mar 7, 2016 (emphasis added): Crisis continues 5 years after FukushimaRadiation in the Pacific Ocean near Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant is at levels as high, or higher, than has been measured in the past three years, as the crippled plant continues to bleed contamination into the sea, new results from a Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution research cruise show. “We think it’s related to the ongoing leaks,” said Ken Buesseler, a Woods Hole chemical oceanographer… “It’s a little surprising and contrary to claims they’ve stopped all flow. So we’re not out of the woods yet.”… Unlike Chernobyl, however, this crisis played out slowly, and continues today, on both sides of the Pacific… In October 2015, Buesseler’s team took new samples from as close as a half-mile away from the nuclear power plant. Levels there remain elevated, he said, confirming continued releases from the plant… “The fact that it’s still leaking is always of concern.”

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Mar 7, 2016: Fukushima Site Still Leaking After Five Years, Research Shows… Buesseler [sampled off Fukushima] in October 2015… his analysis of cesium and strontium indicate releases from the plant are not yet “under control,” a statement that has been used by the Japanese government to describe the situation… [C]esium levels have remained relatively constant… “we are not seeing the steady decrease we would expect to see off Fukushima if all sources had stopped; rather, we are finding values are still elevated, which confirms that there is continued release from the plant.”… The highest level of cesium Buesseler’s team found in a sample taken off Japan in October 2015 measured 200 Becquerels per cubic meter… Strontium, too, is not falling as expected… [Scientists] have found that strontium is not decreasing as fast as cesium. Whereas there was approximately 40 times more cesium than strontium in the waters off Japan in 2011, by 2013, there was approximately 10 times more cesium than strontium The concern lies in the thousands of tons of strontium still stored in tanks at the nuclear power plant and accumulated in buildings and soils, some of it still leaking into the ocean.

Scientific American, Mar 8, 2016: Crippled Fukushima Reactors Are Still a Danger… [M]ajor questions still loom today… [S]ome scientists are complaining that important questions about the disaster’s impact are not being addressed. Authorities, they suspect, are subtly discouraging certain kinds of scientific research, possibly because they fear findings that could further alarm the public… This February, the company reported a spike in strontium levels at the plant site… Remarkably, research on Fukushima’s impact on the marine ecosystem is even more scarce [than on land]—even though the disaster represented the single largest pulse of radioactivity ever injected into an ocean… [T]he cesium concentration… many kilometers off Fukushima remains well above pre-accident levels… Another concern is radioactive strontium. Scientists say levels in seawater near the plant are not declining, possibly because of recurrent leaks from the on-site tanks. “You could actually see in the ocean when one of these tanks would leak—you’d get a big spike in Strontium-90,” Buesseler notes… Indeed, unanswered questions abound… The Japanese government seems to be cutting off funds for monitoring radionuclides in water alongside Fukushima, Buesseler says… [A]nother Japanese scientist, who asked not to be named, claimed that whereas grants are readily available for researchers whose projects are unlikely to discover significant impacts from the disaster, they are exceedingly scarce for others… Buesseler reports [an] experience [when Japanese scientists who aided in research asked not to be credited in its published papers, fearing adverse impacts on their careers]…, Mar 8, 2016: Buesseler says that releases of radioactive cesium from the plant are still not under control…”we are finding values are still elevated, which confirms that there is continued release from the plant.”

NY Times, Mar 10, 2016: Fukushima has become a place… where they struggle to control radiation-contaminated water and must release it into the sea… [T]he plant also releases 2,000 tons of the water into the ocean every week after a process that removes most, but not all, of the radioactive particles… it is a public-relations nightmare for the government…

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Published: March 16th, 2016 at 6:29 pm ET


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    cue the violin music….it seems like only yesterday that stock and me were 'adopted' by Sadie and GOM, and that GOM revealed the ugly truth that even I didnt know; PT and me and stock are all one person, playing off each other to obscure truth…then in a flash we were friends again sharing videos and fine posts…(tears and a long strand hanging from my nose as I reach for a hanky)…its,…its tearing me apart, but OK, if GOM must go, so be it! And take all the murder and rape accusers with her!

    remember the old saying…accuse me of murder once, shame on you, accuse me twice, whistle a tune and roll my eyes, accuse me three times and thats it, you have to face mo of the three stooges…

    • Too bad this is on a new page Code, only the initiated will understand, lol

      bye bye GOM, even if you don't take PT with you.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        PT latched onto me like that thing in alien. Im still suffereing trauma.

        GOM was there closing off my airways from early on. Sadie detached and skittered around the floor in the most alarming fashion. Then it spawned…we still havent found the nest, but mon ami appeared, with a full dossier on everybody from way back. Scary. Ive tried everything to get rid of them. There are holes all over my floor from a huge water pipe wrench…fire extinguisher foam…pink, and burn marks from my butane torch. No luck so far. They are loose and more are wriggling in their cocoons.

        • or-well

          hehe, it's called the "face-hugger", as opposed to the "chest-burster".
          (I looked them up once for a poem).

        • Jebus Jebus

          Speaking of head trama. This is why we all are, or should be, part of the 54%…

          Diablo Canyon Has Friends That Value its Clean Electricity

          "Though the group numbered about 20 at any one time"

          Way to it 'er done, Rod.

          Over… 🙂

        • Code try truth….truth scares the bejeesus out of them….and a water pump pliers in Trumps hands……

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          Code, the great dissembler. Recently you stole my identiy and said that I am GOM, then GOM said I am Code. Then lter GOM said I am stock.

          You just keep flaming me and falsely accusing me so I ma captive and can't leave.

          All I do is quote the expert studies. That is not latching on to you. Every time you attack me, I have to defend myself. Someone did threaten to behead me. When I remember his name (he was an anti-
          Semite Texan who loved the Russians), I'll have the citation. Anne Beck loving Sharia Law said I deserve any punishment I get.

          Please stop attacking me.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            I am not anyone you people say I am.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              I am not Code and I am not GOM and I am not stock. You all three know that I am speaking the truth. This is highly criminal to accuse me of being these people. It is illegal, immoral, and unethical.

              Stop it.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                well there ya go PT. If you are good at finding old posts, find the one about how Goodheart is setting you up for murder by Jihadists. Find the one where you accused Heart of the Rose of threatening to behead you. Fine the many where you accuse me of intention to rape and murder you.

                I didnt steal your identity, so you lie right there. Why in the world would I want your identity? Got precious little credibility in my book. (not that I dont think some of your posts are good ones)

                I never said you were stock or anybody else. Got the wrong person…get your facts straight if you are going to accuse me of being highly criminal, illegal, immoral and unethical. But who was it? Pretty sure it was GOM, just a few days ago, who said that to mon ami. (or vice versa)

                You follow me around and post five to my one, trying to muddle up and discredit. Then have the audacity to claim it is you who constantly needs to defend yourself. When I asked you to stop tagging onto my posts so we could end it, you responded with a link to a bible quote how one never stops fighting the devil.

                Im more than tired of it, and my vote says you should stick to your website and other chat rooms.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  You lie all the time, and make up straw arguments and make up false accusations. I never said any of that in your last post. It is a complete lie. You have no links to prove all that you have just claimed. Why do I have to keep lying over and over again. Why do you have to destroy me with your continual lies.

                  If I commit suicide because of all your falsehoods, you will have my death on your hands. Your lies are not funny. Obviously you are doing everything to destroy me and to take away my good name.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    You said I am GOM, that is stealing my identity. Your present post is again a threat to completely destroy me. You can't claim that this isn't a threat.

                    You said you would destroy this website, and you have done that. I don't want every to be on any other website. I have had enough of psychopaths. You want me banned so you can keep telling your lies over and over again. You won't have to ban me when I'm dead.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      I said that it was GOM who said that I am Code and stock. Your lies condemn you. You have so many identities that you can't keep any of them straight. But then you just want to destroy people and this website and God only knows what else you want to destroy.

                      God have pity on your crazy egotism.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK, find it then….where did I say you were GOM? IF I said something like its more likely you are GOM than I am GOM, how is that stealing your identity exactly?

                  • DUDe DUD

                    Not true PT , you have done all the things he said..

                    Not gonne argue with you about it.

                    Been there done that , lol what a coincidence , but in those past 5 have trown out more uncalled insult's fabricated from your twisting of other peoples motives then anyone else on this site..

                    I say this for the unaware reader that might accidently fall for those who is best at playing "poor innocent victim".

                    If you and other fearbiters without treshold would have been able to selfcontainment of your "negative side" as Code and others here have shown to you (of course not alway's , but more then i would be capable off)..this digital place would smell like real flowers..

                    • irhologram

                      Jebus The antonym of "emotionally dumbed down" would be "emotionally smart," and believe it or not, these are now scientifically real states of functioning. They're referred to as IQ is referred to, only with the name EQ, Emotional Intelligence.

                      For example, it wouldn't be emotionally intelligent to behave like a third grader on a blog, justifying hurling escalating insults by using the come back "They started it!"

                      That dysfunctional behavior results in agitation, unwinnable one-up-manship…and its not emotionally intelligent because it makes the blogger unhappy…which in the scope of personal satisfaction…is, I would say, emotionally dumb,

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      IR Hologram, thank you for the comment on EQ. I've been consciously trying to cultivate that, so that I will develop true love and compassion, wisdom. I fail miserably of course, and often, but it's good to have something to call that. I learned after my Mother died that she had a genius EQ, my now deceased father had a genius IQ. And many of Mom's people were genius IQ people, too. Not to brag, but the IQ (IMO) isn't all that. The EQ is! And if one has both, one is doubly blessed!

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      Not to brag, there's apparently some humming going on between these ears and my IQ is decidedly higher than a small kitchen appliance, unplugged, but IQ's not all that. (That is.)

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    The truth is that I DONT lie all the time. If you wont find your statements…better believe I will PT. Meanwhile you can try to prove I said I want to destroy this site. And whats this?: if you commit suicide because of my falsehoods?? Then I have your blood on my hands? A little over the top wouldnt you say?

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    That's another lie, I definitely said that Moses never condoned rape. There is no Biblical passage that says that Moses said any such thing. You are the one who says that to support your views on rape. But there are no such passages in the Bible. They are just made up by people like you, and can't be found in the Bible.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Jesus…well here it is for you

                      "Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves."

                      Im not into religious philosophizing…I responded because PT kept bringing up the superiority of Christianity, and casting me as evil or devil…yet claiming to love all equally. Its nuts, so I dosed her with her own medicine

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      woman runs into the shrinks office clutching a bag of peanuts screaming, "chocolate, someone stole the chocolate"

                      Shrink makes a note in his pad; "just plain nuts"

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Let's all play nice and the Nuclear problem is much bigger than any of our individual personalities.

                      Somewhere in time..all truths will prevail.

                      WE must all stay the course whether we like it or not! 🙂

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Lol those astrology things.. i'm libra with ascendant scorpio..doesent bode to well.. my father was a full blown psycho and sign scorpio and it fits him well lol..even in its best moments..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      they cant have it both ways; If a dirty bomb is dangerous then Four blown up melted down reactors are. They say they arent dangerous but a dirty bomb is! Thats what they call a two faced liar

                    • DUDe DUD

                      What a bummer , soon we will have to "decommision terrist's" faster then TPTB creates them..


                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      I am always a bit sad when the tidybowl blue turns to clear water. Perhaps a re-think on the issue.

                      A good spring clean, slick hull, and tight sails make for a fine voyage. 🙂

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      damn, a little slow to the draw I am.

                      Dirty bomb yes, no one wants to talk about it.

                      Much to our loss.

                      The sheep should be scared, out of their minds.

                      The people that protect us are.


                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      I am the nasty one! 🙂

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      no obe, my jedi spirit has been infected with rancor. Cold showers and mint leaves in the nose for me! And no more Clint Eastwood movies

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      To Obewan, you're the nasty one? You try, bad boy, but you play pretty fair. Humor and wit, comments meant to point out the absurdity of situations are your light saber, yes?

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Yes, but they did not like Capricorns.. at all! 🙁

                    • irhologram

                      Why anyone would be arguing about Moses on the day commemorating someone else gives me an eeek factor. Its like watching little narly, narky rats chasing one another.

                      Code, the religion is called Christianity…not Mosianity.

                      And PT, the old testament should not be defended by a Christian. Your text of record is the NEW Testament (New Testimony.)

                      PLEASE. FOR GOD'S SAKE!! Not today! Or ANY DAY. This site has once again degenerated into a bunch of stalkers, backbiting at each other. It all starts with ONE and we know who, and because snippiness leading to anger is a frequency, when you also enhance it, it fills this whole space.

                      PLEASE!!! Stop!!! Most of us are so sick of this squabbling… And not speaking for anyone else, but my view of some of you is that you have allowed your responses to be so emotionally dumbed down that if your third grade self saw you in the mirror he'd be ashamed.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      "emotionally dumbed down"

                      As opposed to what, an emotionally charged conspiracy theorist?

                    • DUDe DUD

                      "..It all starts with ONE and we know who.."

                      You mean ofcourse mon ami (meaning my friend lol) yes or no ? Because that vagueness of you is also a dividing weapon in itself..i think we already had words about that long ago..

                      And if you wanne get rid of the sickness of the fight then help get rid of the gnat..raising your voice about it whining and complaining that the fight itself has to stop or

                      "ignore the troll and they will go away"

                      maybe goodmeaning but naive messages does nothing but postponing the cleanup and ad to the mass of uglyness and clutter everybody gets tired off..its about time everybody get's that now after five years of demonstrations how this works.. but maybe you do..never sure about that with your vagueness..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      irholo et al, well my deep apologies for exchanging with PT…But to my defense; please keep in mind the reason, the context. Irholo, what if someone was claiming to the world that YOU irhologram was attempting to get them raped and murdered…that you were akin to the devil and were destroying enenews and the anti nuke community? What if this happened at your work, for example; someone posts this on the board; "warning, irhologram is a rapist and murderer, liar and evil"…its shocking

                    • irhologram

                      DUD. No. This pattern has been ongoing since before Mon Ami's presnce. It was ongoing before Sadie Dog came back for the second time. It was ongoing before others, also, jumped on GOM.

                      We go along for weeks, just fine, peacefully, respectfully, intellectually. Then THIS frequency is introduced and its havoc for a week to a week and a half.

                      We have been following this pattern for YEARS. it was here when you were dissasterinterpretationdisorder (I think Ingot the name wrong, but younget the point).

                      Pay attention, and you'll see clearly how it starts, at least 9 times out of 10. Or if you have the time…look back on the two threads in play now…all the way back…to where it begins…and then spreads without the originator's participation, as they apparently sit back and watch.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Peace on Resurrection Sunday. There are many peaceful sites on the internet, especially today.

                    • DUDe DUD

                      I ask for a specifick name..i'm not gonne comb tru all that crap again because you dare not say it in my face..never did.

                      I was Yesterday the first one (i assume) , to respond to the poisson "mon ami" phenomen .. then i had a meal with a lot of vitamines and like everyday that changes my bloodpressure and other things and i take a nap for that period..and then i had a few things to do..errands..not realising there was a bit of circkling going on..correction..not realising my presence/participation was somewhat mandatory expected..

                      Only today waking up did i fully realised the impression i made have given..of an instignator/divider..
                      That is neither my intention or purpose and i apologies to those that i respect for giving that impression/bad vibe/hidden agenda..

                      And apart from that my dare IR , in my total history here.. i'm pretty sure that all my warnings and analyses rank among the highest regarding accuracy.. and they have nothing to do with what you have subliminal insuniated a few times now.. capiche ?

                      And if you think otherwise..speak straight in my face with links and give me a chance to defend myself or get of my back with your sneaky way's.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth


                      But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Sarah Brightman – Pie Jesu (With Adam Clarke)

                    • penny penny

                      DUD, please don't worry; you are very much a positive force on this site – even we relative newcomers know that! If you look more closely at what ir wrote, s/he makes it clear the instigator draws the battle lines then steps back once the rocket launchers are engaged. You're here, now, in the thick of things, ergo… can't be you!

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      All right, if we're going to do the Resurrection Day music thing, I have a few contributions. Hope this uplifting to all. If you may be offended please don't click through on the links.

                      Blessings to ALL, peace, may this day be your best day EVER.


                      Hoping you all get the same commercial I did if you open this one. It's funny, and fits our collective situation battling gnats today.

                      THIS is how it feels to be free ….




                      And this is my story:


                      Finally, my tribute to my father at his passing. His final testimony and an example for my life. His greatest lesson and gift to me ….


                      My spouse and I led the attendees in singing this along with us at Dad's memorial service last Saturday. He's with God now, and I'm grateful. The suffering has ended. No more pain, no more tears, no more sorry, only joy ….

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      This one ain't bad:




                      Remembrance (above), in the symbols of the bread and wine. The broken body and shed blood.

                      I didn't want him, refused him, mocked him. Just like all the others …. Yet He came for me despite my utter hatred for Him. And rescued me.



                      Crank it up loud, audiophiles:





                      Love it or hate it …. "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father (and the angels) in Heaven."


                    • DUDe DUD

                      Thanks for the kind words Penny , its all good and cleared up now..i think. Btw , i was having that nap when you wrote how hardcore here i was at the moment lol..:)

                  • flannelman flannelman

                    "If I commit suicide because of all your falsehoods, you will have my death on your hands. Your lies are not funny. Obviously you are doing everything to destroy me and to take away my good name."

                    Wow….. Now that is impressive from a pity party standpoint. Thought suicide was frowned upon from the standpoint of most organized religions?

                    Or is your user name nothing but a ruse ….
                    Because something's not adding up here.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    PT, if you're truly feeling so depressed you'd actually commit suicide, you should get some help. I mean that. It's not good to live alone, be disabled, and trying to survive as you are. It's very hard. I truly think you should call the Fire Dept. where you live and ask them to help.

                    I don't understand why no one is coming to aid you. That's not right, and I'm sorry you're trying to carry all of these burdens alone in your personal life.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      I mean, come help with shoveling the snow, and getting the tree limb(s) cleaned up. Maybe a Boy Scout troup could come to your place and help? A church group? Or someone?

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  I'm not at all sure who it is, at this point, but someone here is Sybil. Whew, sure glad I've missed a lot of this

                  I'll take the blame on part of this identity thing, PT. I said I miss your older, basically objective, and unemotional posts. I said the present "wallpapering" and assertions that I (?) support wacko Republican candidates was basically outlandish. I never said that.

                  I think I also said you insinuated I'm possibly a "homegrown terrorist" because I support ranchers and think it is wrong for people to have the lands taken away which they & their ancestors have owned or used for generations.

                  I said I missed your calm, rational posts. There is almost no one here who can match your intellectual prowess in doing research. You contributed a great deal in 2011-2012, and much of that is still on the Forum for "Methods for Combatting Radiation and Its Effects."

                  We can't change you, we try supporting you when we can. I'm sorry and I've said this before, that I think you let people get under your skin. They know they can, and that anything they say in a paricular manner will be interpreted as a mean and barbed comment, an attack.

                  IMO your perceived sense of injustice has ballooned into bitterness. You have lashed out at many people here for no reason (such as myself). I was pretty surprised by that.

                  So I said I missed the older, mellower Anne/PT/Praising Truth/Praising Jesus.

                  New game: like hide and seek. Find Sybil, get the prize.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    This will probably sound phoney, but I called you on it and probably wasn't as kind as I should have been. I'm sincerely sorry. But I'm not going to take it idly and allow people to trample on me and make false, completely baseless statements.

                    It's a pretty strong statement to insinuate someone may be a homegrown terrorist (or allied with them, which I decidedly am NOT). I do not condone violating the law, although I understand the concept of Civil Disobedience and know when it should be applied.

                    I'm in support of our nation, our troops, and pray for our leaders, even though some of them seem desperately wicked. I never want to see a civil war here, and hope there is never a need to overthrow a tyrannical government, here or anywhere.

                    I'm in support of the Oathkeepers and their ethos, which is probably the strongest statement I can make here.

                    RE: private property rights, I support that, but also the Native Americans and their Treaty rights. It should never have gotten to the point where they would need Treaties to have rights. They have "God given" rights too, but they decided to be sovereign (which IMO was smart).

                    I made the statement I no longer believe in partisan politics and the left/right, Republican/Democratic paradigm. Those are just labels and don't accurately represent the current political paradigm under which we live in the U.S. There have not been many successful societies which haven't degraded into chaos.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      You better go to the beginning of the personal attack threads and not make any more false accusations.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      Only the peaceful people groups, such as the Hopi, many tribal people in some parts of Africa, Asia, and a few other places have lived well and at peace, in orderly societies. Unfortunately, it has been the bane of mankind that one group always seeks to destroy another. And the meeker have lost, but there will ultimately be in this area (I believe) justice, too.

                      Why do you think that is, Anne? Why do you think there has never bee Utopia or Heaven on Earth? You know the answer.

                      I think you're unable to accept others' ideologies, live and let live. Doc is decidedly a "true Socialist" as I see it, although I see the merits of his viewpoint, and much of his belief system has great merit. It's much different than my own.

                      I've felt attacked because I once said I was more Libertarian in persuasion than anything else. That got painted as being Racist, probably pro-Koch brothers earth raping rabid Republicanism. Wow. That's not Libertarianism as I understand it. (The Koch thing is appalling to me, and if that's what it REALLY is and not the Ron or Rand Paul version, I'm decidedly not a Libertarian either.)

                      Just feel like you have made assumptions about my beliefs and who I am based on some posts. You don't listen when I try to clarify my point of view. You often won't agree to disagree. You've painted me as being a rotten person on many occasions with a very broad brush.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      All that being said, I forgive you and I don't want acrimony here. So bless you and and I hope we can get along.

                      I have my shortcomings too, as I'm acutely aware.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Calling me a Sybil is really just talking about yourself, not me. If you don't want acrimony then stop slinging the extreme insults.

                      And you, yourself, have just now started another OT hateful, insulting attack thread. I won't answer you again. I will simply label your insults as:

                      CYBERSTALKER ATTACK # 10,093.

                    • ISeePinkClouds

                      Yes. HoTators. TY. Happy Easter. Blessings. Peace

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    I never made those assertions against you HoTaters. You are just another attacker now. All my so called wallpapering were scientific articles against the proNuke community.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      OK, I'm trying to make peace here. Can we give it a rest? I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts until there's some movement toward reconciliating our differences. I do wish you well, and I hope you're getting some help with all that snow.
                      I'm sorry I was harsh in some of my responses. You touched on my value system and I confess it "pushed my buttons." I try never to let that happen here, but I failed, and so I added fuel to the fire of your feeling attacked. I'm truly sorry.

                    • ISeePinkClouds

                      Yes. PraisingTruth. TY.

                      Happy Easter.



                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I dont get it..why does everybody pander and mollycoddle PT when she has said more radical and injurious slanderous things than Sadie or mon ami or Bill Duff? Why throw the other ones overboard and mollycoddle PT? Is there a specific reason? Is it because she says shes old and christian? What if Sadie said he was old and christian, would that make the flaming vitriol ok?

                      I say double check the enabler/mollycoddler/Im a good dooby circuit board in your 3 lb ape brains. ….or maybe you just didnt catch whats been going on?

                      And for your information, Im well aware that my milieu is part of this PT illness…if for no other reason that Im here in the first place. I know the holistic viewpoint very well…so its not just finger pointing. In that vein, get Bill Duff back here if you all want to mollycoddle PT… words of truth and wisdom…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Code, CYBERSTALKING ATTACK #10,095

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    I'm not bitter and I have never started any personal attacks and I don't indulge in name-calling.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    PT, I was NOT talking about you in particular when I mentioned Sybil. mon ami, or whomever that was, was the Sybil. The troll of many incarnations.

                    My bad again, I guess, I shouldn't have mentioned you in the same post.

                    Trying to figure out who is the real Sybil (troll) should be a game for us here. Obviously many trolls have come here to disrupt our conversations. I decidedly never said you are a troll. I just don't understand what triggers your feeling attacked. It seems like collective perception of insult, like the perception so much ill will has been directed toward you It appears your not being able to let go of it is driving you nuts.

                    Let it go, already! Why drag up stuff that happened months or years ago.

                    The mon ami/AtomsforPeace1 troll in its various incarnations has started most of these flame wars. You'd be so much happier if you weren't so defensive, IMO. OK, you can cyber shout at me too for that one. Maybe you should give it a rest for awhile if people are hurting you so much here. This is looking like OCD in action. Just obsessive in appearance.

                    You're imagining this cyberstalking stuff. The accusations of people committing all these heinous crimes and felonies against you is getting tiresome.

                    OK, I wasn't going to respond, but now you're accusing me of cyberstalking you. I know little about you except what you say here, and what city and state you live in.

                    I'm not interested in cyberstalking. I have a life.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      HoTaters, I'm sorry I misunderstood you. I've tried to be very open about all my names, so that none of them are anonymous. I have to admit that I am not thick-skinned and I do get easily injured. I cried the first time Or-well lambasted me, but not the second time. Once I know who is going to shoot the fire, I can better surround myself with protection.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      I've never said libertarians are racist. I am against Ron Paul and Rand Paul because they are pro-nuclear energy. In that sense their freedom is just freedom for the corporations and those who would destroy the environment. They also seem to be against all social programs. And I don't want the US to become a third world country where the poor are starving, sick and dying.

                      I am tolerant of all people who live in toleration. However, I can't agree with the teachings of the Quran which says about 20 times or more that all Christians should be beheaded just because they are Christians. And I disagree that a man can 4 wives. And I disagree with killing children just because they ate something during Ramadan. I am against all killing and all cultures which preach killing.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      "…Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) revealed earlier this week that he would support using military action against Iran to prevent them from gaining the ability to make nuclear weapons…."

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            His name was something Rockwell. I'll get the citation soon.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Code, I agree. Always thought those three were operating together. Just a personal observation. Just didn't want to come right out and say it. But that was my suspiction too (re, SD, GOM, Mon Ami).

          Mon Ami, whose friend, my friend? Great name for a troll.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        I haven't even been following this that closely, and I get it. Sort of. Some pretty twisted insinutations going on.

        Have been having to scroll WAAAAAAY down the page often recently to avoid the repetitive posts and name-calling, character bashing.

        Yeah, would like to see that go away. We have much more important things to talk about here, n'est-ce pas? A little heated interaction & disagreement is tolerable, but the flaming needs to go.

        Peace, out, for now. -HT=

        • mon ami

          u just called me a name missy. same group of people. doc knows. arc knew. everyone knows

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Do you think I'm calling you a flaming queen or something? Ha, that's funny. That takes some imagination.

            "You just called me name, missy."

            Uh, I communicate with some of the people here off-list. They've never called me out on this "everyone knows" stuff. They've had plenty of opportunity to do it off-list.

    • GOM GOM

      I never once threatened any manner

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        True GOM, I had another poster in mind, sorry. On the contrary, you 'adopted' me. It was warm, secure, and the bat saliva soup was delicious. But then you said I was an evil twin of somebody…and the memories came flooding back…how you impeded my every truth safari, argued every detail about biology potassium, electrolytes and radiation. So I escaped out the vent while you were asleep…

  • Place your votes folks, GOM to go?

    • Jebus Jebus

      No, no, I do not agree.

      Humans have the fantastic ability to recognize and track patterns.

      It forms the way we remember. Some recognize.

      I'm not certain, with all that we discuss in freedom, about freedom, and our right, that anyone has a right here to boot anyone.

      It's what it is. It's ok. It's good. Relax.

      We are all guests. It's not my house…

      • Even at someone elses house, if a centipede asks me if I can eject it, certainly I shall. GOM and the disruptor discredit this site, and the overall movement.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Jebus is right. On the other hand we can cast our votes saying if we would "prefer" a certain level. Knowing that we are "good" and egalitarian and let everyone stay. …but Jebus, where do you draw the line? Sadie for example threw some straw that broke the camels back as far as Im concerned, as did mon ami…and heck while were naming names, so did PT. I say come one and come all, and all who cant stand it anymore migrate to some other site. stocks site might work. A new, leaner meaner chat. It comes with a resident kicking bag too, 'loose nuke', lest some havent tired of the fun

        • Jebus Jebus

          Ya make 'em think about it and they become more civil…

          I believe the generic term is peer pressure.

          Can be used for good, without alignment, or it becomes obvious when it is used to divide.

          Most posters post "normal" posts. Abnormal becomes obvious.

          I think the deciding factor is intent.

          But what do I know, I grew up alone…

          • DUDe DUD

            I don't have much problem's with her articles and links she post's , those i sometimes look at..guess i'm a bit fringe myself lol..but once somebody dragged me down to troll-levels.. i never trust or have sympathy for a dog that bit me for no reason more then once..apart from that..i don't really have a strong opinion about it at the moment.. It annoyes me to be rememberred by usernames to carry a big stick somewhere when entering here , but nothing unmanageble..

            As far as i know..she stopped policing and belittering others with projections mostly , that where pure flamebaits..that i found way more unacceptable then having a "far out" approach on things..
            Not much overflowing from sympathy going on here , but a vote is a bit to much at the moment..someday i might regret it, don't know..

            Maybe we should bookmark that vote for later..

            (and if she now say's the vote only count's today then i vote )

            • GOM GOM

              OK.. thats another yes.
              I will not waste people's time. But I will say 'fringe' is interesting. It keeps people interested. Maybe they will come back. Did you know that Kodak had a nuke reactor in a basement in NY? Or hear about Hitlers nuke bunker recently found in Germany? This stuff gets people reading. And hopefully, talking about where they read it.Yet, I get 'dinged' for creative news?

              Whether you guys like it or not, this site is boring to the masses. We are pushing truth in a world of lies backed with massive propaganda. Creative posts are a must if this site is to continue. These type of posting requires a lot of research and is time intensive. Everyone here donates time and energy. Kudos to them.

              I am appalled, but somehow not surprised at the unwarranted brutal attacks tonight. Truly, I was blind-sided by or-well. Of all people. If anything, I leave with the burden of a heavy heart.

        • Ya at least I got a "serious pHD troll" huuwah!

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          "It comes with a resident kicking bag, too…."

          Great idea.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

          Code, CYBERSTALKING ATTACK #10,097


    March 25, 2016 at 7:05 pm · Reply
    We are taking a vote, seriously. As to whether I should leave ENE. Orwell has brought up an idea that I am something.. I dont get it.. but I will leave peacefully. More than 1 vote of course, Orwell has voted me out. Anyone else? No hard feelings, just democracy. So?

    • Jebus Jebus

      Please stop trying to make me join a sorority.

      Not really in to that…

    • GOM GOM

      March 25, 2016 at 7:04 pm · Reply
      The vote offer is open by GOM re GOM:
      I note, GOM to go away, I agree with or-well (spelt and capitalized correctly)
      March 25, 2016 at 6:59 pm
      Sorry you feel that way. Tell you what, moment of truth. Take a vote. If others come forward who agree with you, I will bow out graciously. Hows that? No fighting.. nothing. I will leave. Fair enough? Now take a vote.. moment of truth..anyone?

      • GOM GOM

        March 25, 2016 at 5:59 pm · Reply
        I applaud your patience with one of the most stupid persons posting here who may very well be paid to load up this site with ridiculous bullshit.


        • HoTaters HoTaters

          GOM, I haven't liked some of your posts, but I see the humanity in there and the intent to post helpful and useful things. So I honor your intent. I see a real and concerned human being ….

          That being said, I missed a lot of this "melee" so I don't know in large part who said what to whom.

          I'm with Jebus on letting this slide, and things will work themselves out. We always seem to find our equilibrium, somehow.

          You're right in stating serious research needs to be done and posted, and that is time-consuming.

          That's what made me come here in the first place. So IMO you are correct, we need to "add value" here. That being said, we tend to go down the "OT" road a lot. It's sad when it comes to back and forth tete a tete tug-of-war. Nothing gets accomplished, and there isn't much point in reading the comments. Unless someone is in it just for "entertainment value." FWIW, peace.

  • or-well

    New page, stale article and GOM refusing to acknowledge the real issue while deflecting and reframing; same old, by someone not very good at it. What's new? Nothing. The names change, that's all. This site was trashed long ago.

  • or-well


    "Attached to the face,
    except invisible,
    just like the "facehugger"
    in Alien – how miserable!

    The worker recovers,
    has a nice meal,
    then out comes the "chestburster",
    sealing the deal.

    Uncanny parallels,
    this nuclear sickness,
    in all it's aspects,
    hidden by slickness.
    Corrosive acid –
    Alien blood and Nuke lies.
    Parasitical lifeform –
    that ignores all our cries.
    Unrelentingly savage,
    indiscriminate killer,
    only this "Alien" is real,
    not some movie thriller.

    It's not Bishop and Ripley
    this time who're saying –
    "Nuke the planet from space,
    it's the only way to be sure",
    no, it's real life pro-nukers
    claiming nukes are a cure
    instead of a curse –
    pro-nukers or "Aliens" –
    which ones are worse?"

    February 16, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. or-well. TY. Bravo.

      Pro-Nukers are worse.

      They kill with deceit.


      • GOM GOM

        Or-well is referring to me. I am not, and will never be, pro-nuke.

        • ISeePinkClouds

          Yes. GOM. TY. I am from a small planet circling a Sun in the Constellation Alpha Centauri. Your planet is baffling to me.


          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            PinkClouds, arent you in the badlands of west Texas? You got a neighbor

            • ISeePinkClouds

              Yes. CodeShutDown. He is a neighbor. Kirsten Dirksen,the author of your linked video is also.

              Last year a film crew came here. They produced a documentary of a murder of a local bar owner. The documentary stirred a lot of controversy among the locals. The man tried for the murder was acquitted. It is behind us now.



            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Nice, inspirational video. Thanks, Code. If I can get my druthers someday, I'd like to find myself a little desert box canyon, or a canyon on the eastern slope of a range of hills or mountains. Preferably with a creek. (If not Uruguay or someplace like that.)

              An artesian spring would be the creme de la creme. My family owned property when I was growing up with an artesian spring. The water was phenomenally good. The pipes in the old house weren't so great, but the spring water was amazing. Set the standard, for me.

              'Hard to find artesian springs in the desert (I think). Carson (City) Hot Springs percolates out of the Sierra Nevada. That has a lot of minerals in it, but it's also very clean water in many respects. Used to be a favorite hangout ….

              If my family were to do something similar, we'd probably want an onsite water purification system like the one at my business, smaller scale. Could use a lot of energy to run it. I'd have to figure out what the water needs would be, & how to clean up all the water from rain (use cisterns like they did in the Middle East?) Find reasonable power source & minimize water use.

              If there aren't a lot of people living at a place, what are the real water needs? It's nice to have a lot of water available if needed.

              Something like what John in the video has for a greenhouse would be good. If he can solve his air circulation problems, he'll cool things down. Potential is there, but an engineering problem.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                I like what John is doing in the desert, but I have to wonder if his water is contaminated due to WIPP and whatever else is blowing around …. It's amazing to see he has so much water storage.

                Wondering if the lack of stress there can help make a person impervious to some health issues we urbanites and suburbanites face. I liked living in the sticks (a.k.a., tules), during the times in my life when I've been able to do it.

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  D'evolution warning! Warning! Warning! What may appear below may show evidence of devolving, de-evolution. Hmmn. Guess I'll skip some of that.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    his bearded gun totin' desert rat appearance and rustic shack dont portray what he is doing. Its a work in progress and a huge project. When he finishes his big structure, and if he could get a womans landscaping touch, the place will be wonderful. It made me think; This is so close, yet so far from what I want/need to do. Homesteading is hard work!

        • or-well

          GOM, you are wrong; the poem has nothing to do with you.
          It was written over 4 years ago. LOL!
          You certainly like to frequently misrepresent what people say.

    • GOM GOM

      March 25, 2016 at 6:42 pm · Reply
      GOM, why is it so hard for you to spell my screen name correctly?
      Seriously though, who pays you to post the more ridiculous crap you put up here? Do you get a bonus for simply making things up?
      Or are you so effing stupid you believe all the sensationalist bullshit you read?
      It's those like you who have made this site essentially useless as a source to refer others to, a fringe outpost of sadly diminished usefulness.
      Go ahead, respond, but don't think I give much of a shit because YOU are a waste of time.

      Report comment

  • Jebus Jebus

    Gallup: Warming Concerns Up as Nuke Support Moves Down

    Could the broad coverage of the fifth anniversary of the nuclear catastrophe at Fukushima in Japan on March 12, 2011 have influenced the results? Not likely, according to Gallup, observing that “between 2011 and 2012, support was stable, with 57% favoring nuclear energy. This is notable given that Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster took place shortly after polling in 2011.”

    Gallup also said that changing partisan divisions are not evident in its polling, although Republicans are more favorable toward atomic power. Gallup found that Republicans expressed 53% support for nukes in its March survey, down from 68% last year, while Democratic support fell to 34% from 42%.

    Predictably, the Nuclear Energy Institute disputed Gallup’s results, citing its own polling by long-time nuclear industry pollster Ann Bisconti. The industry-sponsored poll has always found a solid, growing majority support for the U.S. nuclear business going back decades.

    What to make of this? Gallup has a stellar reputation among polling experts, while the nuclear industry’s polls have long drawn raised eyebrows.

    Ya, powermag… 🙂

  • Jebus Jebus

    Is Nuclear Energy “Toast”?

    Ya, because of three poached eggs…

    “My sense as I speak to you here today is that nuclear energy is toast,” said New York Times Reporter Eduardo Porter, as he opened a panel discussion titled “Nuclear Energy and the Clean Energy Future” held at the New York University School of Law on March 23.

    “Despite the challenge from climate change that calls on developing zero-carbon energy, nuclear generating capacity around the world has been actually falling in absolute terms and dropping dramatically as a share of global electricity,” Porter said. “We’re seeing plants being shuttered before their time and there is no political will to do anything to encourage new generation.”


  • Jebus Jebus

    Live and learn and live…

    Crisis continues 5 years after Fukushima meltdowns

    “There is no end in sight for communities in Fukushima,” said Junichi Sato, executive director of Greenpeace Japan. “What started as a natural disaster turned into one of the worst industrial accidents in human history and a reminder that humanity must urgently turn its efforts toward safe, clean renewables.”

    Anti-nuke sentiment growing

    The Sierra Club is unequivocally opposed to nuclear energy. The organization’s nuclear-free future statement says, “Although nuclear plants have been in operation for less than 60 years, we now have seen three serious disasters,” referring to Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima. “Nuclear is no solution to climate change and every dollar spent on nuclear is one less dollar spent on truly safe, affordable and renewable energy sources.”

    The author is probably a little biased towards the 54% group.

    Sanity might prevail…

  • Jebus Jebus

    LOUDER, all across this planet people are sick, and tired, of paying for uneconomical porkbarrel nuclear power, while everyone knows what happens when they operate them producing more nuclear waste…

    It's a fossil fuel and last I heard they gotta go too…

    Energy Secretary declines £100 bet over the future of Hinkley C nuclear power station

    Energy Secretary Amber Rudd has declined to take up a £100 bet from a Labour MP over the future of Hinkley C.

    The proposed nuclear power station on the Somerset coast, has been repeatedly delayed over technical and financial concerns, and yesterday it emerged that the French firm EDF may put off a final decision till May.

    Labour MP Rob Marris challenged the Energy Secretary to say whether it would go ahead without further public money.

    So, how did she respond?

    Take the money away…


    Mon Ami
    I always knew

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. OT.

    "How many people are aware that a world war has begun? At present, it is a war of propaganda, of lies and distraction, but this can change instantaneously with the first mistaken order, the first missile.

    In 2009, President Obama stood before an adoring crowd in the centre of Prague, in the heart of Europe. He pledged himself to make “the world free from nuclear weapons”. People cheered and some cried. A torrent of platitudes flowed from the media. Obama was subsequently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    It was all fake. He was lying.

    The Obama administration has built more nuclear weapons, more nuclear warheads, more nuclear delivery systems, more nuclear factories. Nuclear warhead spending alone rose higher under Obama than under any American president. The cost over thirty years is more than $1 trillion.

    A new mini nuclear bomb is planned. It is known as the B61 Model 12. There has never been anything like it. General James Cartwright, a former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said, “Going smaller [makes using this nuclear] weapon more thinkable.”

    Maybe. Then again,maybe sanity will prevail.


    • HoTaters HoTaters

      "A new mini nuclear bomb is planned. It is known as the B61 Model 12. There has never been anything like it. General James Cartwright, a former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said, 'Going smaller [makes using this nuclear] weapon more thinkable.'

      In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two — led by the United States — is taking place along Russia’s western frontier. Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

      Ukraine – once part of the Soviet Union – has become a CIA theme park. Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally. Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.
      From your link above, iSeePinkClouds:

      This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

      In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia — next door to Russia – the US military is deploying combat troops, tanks, heavy weapons. This extreme provocation of the world’s second nuclear power is met with silence in the West.

      What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China."

  • Lets get back to some serious shite here
    Pig shoots obviously playful "pup" a small pit that could barely do any damage in any situation.

    I am not a fan of pit bulls, but this one obviously meant no harm.

    I am amazed that police are so poorly trained, that they are not to a large extent "dog people" who can read dogs. This is a disgrace, given that for most humans, their dog is their favorite family member, their love, and their protection.

    Considering this, it is a disgrace that most cops can't read a dog, And by the way….in the line of duty, would you be expected to take a minor bite….or would you discharge a firearm in a crowded building in order to neutralize that tail wagging?

    If I had to give up my gal or my dog, the dog would go first. But if someone killed my gal, they will get the same result if they killed my dog.

    • He should be jailed for dangerous and illegal discharge of a weapon in a crowded apartment building.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Correct! 😉

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          gunman shoots a dog in the saloon. Bartender says you'll pay for this, somebody get the sheriff. Gunman flashes his badge; "I dont answer to the law, I AM the law"

          In one of the rooms in the floor above, the petticoat girls dont know how to remove the crab like alien from cowboy Codes face…

          Over in the badlands of west texas a dust devil is swirling…its got plutonium in it from WIPP. But the Doc Holliday says, its no more than background, cant hurtcha none.

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Shoot a puppy, but let this guy piss all over your yard Makes no sense

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Code, the plutonium etc. from WIPP is not all good. But one does have to wonder if not being stressed out could help a person withstand some of this massive radiological onslaught better. As in having a stronger immune system. But I suppose if you get a Pu particle or other such hot particle, damaging radioisotope lodged in a certain place in your body, it might not make any difference.

            And smiling, "Que cera" won't make any difference.

            The stuff that guy might have in his water concerns me. I'm thinking about reading his blog and asking if he does anything to filter his water to remove some of that stuff.

            Of course we have the Tritium everywhere. I was sad to learn the use of zeolite apparently won't remove Tritium from water, neither will clay. Is there ANY solution to that seemingly insoluble problem? Other than throwing money at it, lots & lots of money, i.e., building huge systems likely costing hundreds of millions or billions of dollars?

            Was told zeolite could deal with the Tritium issue. If it were that simple, the nuclear industry might have had enough use to use it. Maybe.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              And BTW, I didn't take your comment as being directed to me. Just observing that fellow may live in the "blast path" of the WIPP monster. A fire breathing dragon if there ever were one. And then we have all that above-ground storage of all those barrels full of Pu & other such crud, sitting there along with the wrong kitty litter.

              Does anyone know if there has been any progress in taking care of THAT mess? What's happening with moving all that waste out of LANL? What's WIPP doing? (Yeah, OT, does the Nuclear Forum work now? Suggestions?)

      • DUDe DUD

        That poor lady..someone put that guy on a job he can handle..something easier then picking up dogcrap by rolling in it..(no not politicians dining with lobbyist's) after "bootcamp"..

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The dog forgot to say "Heil Hitler" and present two forms of ID. It got what it deserved. sarc

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Hello, I'm here to kill your dog! Have a nice day.

    • Jebus Jebus

      Exactly, if the proper authorities were there about the dog, why didn't they have the means to secure the dog?

      It's a dog. He doesn't have a gun, guaranteed. Two people and some snares.

      They should not have been there without the means to correctly do the job…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Disgusting, Stock. That was a submissive, curious, tail wagging i.e., friendly dog. The dog's first impulse was to turn away from the officer and show the side of its body, in submission.

      No baring of teeth, ears not held back, no tension in the animal.

      You're right, no signs of aggression that I saw there. A dog ready to fight will not turn away from an approaching aggressor. Especially not a Pittie or a Staffordshire terrier. The body language is totally different. I should know. I've been jumped by many an off-leash, aggressive pit bull when the owners haven't properly socialized it.

      My 10 lb. min pin thinks she's a big, bad dog (plus has fear aggression from abuse as a puppy). She gives off the "I'm a big, badass dog" vibe to the pits, and the poorly socialized ones, aggressive ones are all over both of us, in no time.

      She's on leash, big difference there. Am working to de-condition her from the fear agression. That can take a long time to do. She is not allowed to charge, no matter what person or dog she's facing.

      I have to bodily turn her head away sometimes and make her sit or lie down, take the submissive position, to stop the attacks before the other dog gets to interested ….

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I offer up hypothesis.
    Some supposedly more knowing it theory..
    So how's it going?
    Oh, do tell.
    This is 2004..surely, the theory shows presentation.
    As does my hypothesis.

    Supply lacking thermodynamic data and process understanding on actinides in aqueous solution

  • irhologram

    2016-03-24 – EPA says landfill fire much closer to nuclear waste than previously known, in Bridgeton (Missouri):

    Quote: "The EPA released from the Manhattan Project.

    The EPA released the first phase report of an investigation of the West Lake Landfill in Bridgeton where nuclear waste dating to the Manhattan Project was illegally dumpedin the 1970s.

    …new data showing the underground fire at the Bridgeton landfill is much closer than we thought to the nuclear waste

    Quote The Neighborhood Moms group spokesman Dawn Chatman: “As a resident living here, I’m horrified, I’m scared, but I’m really angry right now,” Chatman told KMOX, her voice cracking at times. “They should have known this five years ago, six years ago when this fire started.”

    Quote: “Today’s report confirms that EPA has never had a clear picture of the extent of contamination at the West Lake landfill, and it is deeply concerning that it took EPA so long to figure that out,” (Missouri Attorney General Chris) Kostler said in a statement.


    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "EPA has never had a clear picture of the extent of contamination at the West Lake landfill, and it is deeply concerning that it took EPA so long to figure that out"

      Last minute solutions cost more. Better to wring the money from the people, my dear. Come in, rabbit, I'm cooking Hossenfeffer tonight. You can help with a little donation.

      Donald Trump wants to build a wall…

  • irhologram

    “The EPA has yet to reveal its plan for preventing the fire from ever reaching the waste. It is long past time for the federal government to transfer responsibility of the site to the Army Corps for swift and certain remedial action.”

    Quote: "The investigation found “radiologically impacted material” in “areas of the landfill not identified during previous site investigations,” but not present in areas previously presumed to contain it, the EPA said."

    Quote: “Without testing the entire area between the smoldering fire and the radioactive wastes, the EPA cannot say with any confidence the distance that separates these two problems,” Smith (Ed Smith of the Missouri Coalition for the Environment) said."

    Quote: "West Lake was declared a Superfund site in 1990. In 2008, the EPA announced a remediation plan to cap the nuclear waste with rock, clay and soil, but it drew enough opposition that the EPA reconsidered. The agency has not yet announced a new plan despite criticism from Koster, some lawmakers and residents who feel the agency is moving too slowly. A remediation decision is expected by the end of the year."

    From one of the comments sections…Quote: "The EPA or the army corps of engineers which foot do you want to shoot your self in? You are pretty much booked either way you go. The EPA will take years and do 200 studies. The army corps will do it faster then have to fix the fix again before they get it right. Either way good luck."

    • DUDe DUD

      Can't martial law be declared over a certain territorium ? And take over and put that EPA witch in martial court. Just wondering..

      • irhologram

        DUD. So…martial law would be declared by the president. …but the EPA answers to the executive branch, anyway…so…the reason nothing is done is because nothing is what they want done,

        Notice the part of the quotes that says they have yet to even have tested the areas inbetween the smoldering fire and the Manhatten Project radioactive material. They still dont EVEN KNOW HOW CLOSE THE FIRE IS…because they STILL HAVENT TESTED FOR IT.

        Alł they know is it isnt as bad as they thought: it's worse than they thought.

        "Without testing the entire area between the smoldering fire and the radioactive wastes, the EPA cannot say with any confidence the distance that separates these two problems."

        • DUDe DUD

          In a just world..somebody would be rightly so afraid to be excecuted by the government for that behaviour..

          I'm not calling for that excecution , i'm saying it would be IMPOSSIBLE.
          But i'm calling for problemsolving action from whatever corner it can come.

          Vote Bernie.

          • penny penny

            As far as I can see, the only difference between martial law and a serious relief effort is that in the former case, most money goes to paying for weaponry and soldiers who then terrorize the populace, either preventing them from entering their homes or preventing them from leaving them. Also, civil liberties are suspended. People can be forced into football stadiums, or worse. It would be better just to do the clean-up and help people to relocate, wouldn't it?

          • penny penny

            Though I understand the yearning for justice, believe me, having spent my first 50+ years in a country where it is administered… injudiciously.

            I'll vote Bernie if he chooses Winona LaDuke as his running mate. 😉

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Robotics for Japan, nothing for the homeland. If the New Madrid fault has an earthquake, it will stoke the fire and it will shake and bake.

          They've known about the New Madrid quakes, so WHY did they haul that waste all the way from Washington State in the first place? It makes no sense whatever

          • irhologram

            Uni…as I recall, a lot of the material was from Fermi Lab in Chicago… Maybe some (though I didn't read it) was from Oakridge in TN. I expect the stuff developed at Hanford stayed there.

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              Thanks, when they say Manhattan Project, I always though of Hanford, WA.

              • flannelman flannelman

                Most all of the waste was local. Mallinckrodt had a production plant where uranium processing was first cracked on an industrial level literally downtown in St Louis thru the 50's. Then production moved to Weldon Springs.

                Most of the waste in the St Louis area was generated right here. The Hematite facility was close by as well. Fuel rods were made there. But early and later research continued downtown. The facility remains an ongoing concern to this very day.

                And the Belgian Congo ores. And the Canadian best ores. Purer by far than any since found. Were all processed in St Louis and the waste remains in various locations in the area.

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  Had no idea. Thanks. Many nuke tests when I was born, St. Louis and Paducah making this shit… Viewing my life with different eyes. Owensboro, Ky was down wind of a lot of bad stuff. What could have been. It's been a very fast paced life. A lot has been going on. Future shock I expected. Past shock with the information age I did not expect. Nuclear shock. Ocean shock, poverty shock, food security shock, chemical shock, culture shock, wow. No wonder I am forgetting things. Physical weakness, less oxygen. More harsh sunlight. Stopthe world. Pause. Bedtime. Best thing ever

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              It still makes no sense. Not that I expect any sense anymore. No, I suppose THAT would make me crazy.

              Even so

              Happy Easter, Peace, and love. Let it be.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    FEBRUARY 2014

    Fukushima's Radioactive Ocean Water Arrives At West Coast
    "The U.S. safety limit for cesium levels in drinking water is about 28 Becquerels, the number of radioactive decay events per second, per gallon (or 7,400 Becquerels per cubic meter). For comparison, uncontaminated seawater contains only a few Becquerels per cubic meter of cesium.

    Cesium-137 levels at U.S. beaches were 1.3 to 1.7 Becquerels per cubic meter, Buesseler said. That's similar to background levels in the ocean from nuclear weapons testing, suggesting the Fukushima plume has not reached the U.S. coastline yet, he said."

    Posting this because it is actually time consuming and not so easy to find this bq/cu meter limit

    Pissed me off the day. When you finally find the info it says something like 20,000 pico curies / liter. The conversion to Bq/ m^3 ….well, it's a pain.

    Now, "They want to raise the limits.

    Dana Durnford points out a Canadian Health chart that says Canada's limit is 7,000,000 bq/ m^3.

    —so Canada is 10X more lax than USA, and at least in regards to FOOD, we are 10X MORE lax than Japan.


    It took three years to get to USA in 2014 according to this article. The plume is still coming off the plant so the plume will still be coming until 2019, even if the source stopped…

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      1.3 to 1.7 Becquerels per cubic meters… Similar to background levels in the ocean from nuclear weapons testing
      . . .
      200 Becquerels per cubic meter at Fukushima after 5 years…

      Oh joy

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        12,000 becquerels per meter3 from potassium since forever. Five times that (more or less 60,000 bq/m3) in your cells since forever.

        • Jebus Jebus

          How much cesium 133(xenon 133), cesium 134, and cesium 137, was in all lifes cells since forever?

          How much cesium hydroxide has life evolved to live with?

          And that's just cesium.

          Then there is the fact that some isotopes are radioactive and the extended risk to biota that follows that, down the road…

          There's a whole periodic table of changes that were thrown into the sea…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Yes Jebus…you know its my crusade that science, the media and pro or anti nukers should not be comparing fallout to background or using the becquerel as a unit of toxicity.

            Why is it important? Imagine theres no background, its easy if you try…no radioactive anything, making mothers cry…now add any amount of fallout and its easy to see, its an additional percent of infinity

            But if you lump em all together…put em on a linear dose model…then you have to live with uncertainty, how 60,000 bq/m3 isnt killing everything for eternity

            • Jebus Jebus

              I would think that, based upon what I have learned, that one would have to have a time machine, dialed back to around the turn of the century, to get to the real backround numbers, since the fossil fuel "explosion" befell all life on this planet…

              It is a fossil fuel and chemicaly toxic the same…

              Any mining and refining of nature's sequestered toxic minerals and hydrocarbons, seems to be detrimental to all life, IMHO.

              Some, more than others…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                60,000 bq/m3 of internal radiation since time immemorial is not in question. It comes to this;

                Somehow we have to convince the world that was OK and a few extra becquerels of man made fallout is killing the planet. Not so easy, considering that the anti nukers fight it every step of the way

              • Jebus Jebus

                Late reply code, a point can be made if we look at each and every poisons nature as it is delivered.

                With over two thousand toxic waste bypoducts, that would get you at least a ticket anywhere else, it's a daunting task that's never been done.

                Till now.

                Add some more chemicals effects from the tsunami and where it likely gyrated to by fluid dynamics and you got yourself a slide show.

                Then one can discuss the overwhelming circumstantial evidence of an unprecedented Pacific mass mortality event, all of a sudden.

                Maybe at the end one coud mention the radiation…

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  I follow you Jebus. The same could be said for the cancer rate skyrocketing since 1945. All poisons contribute…its a given.

                  But I think my anti nuke incursion is stronger without invoking the other poisons. Nuclear fallout and DU and nuke plant cancer and anencephaly clusters stand on their own. And the challenge stands; We have to convince that 60,000 bq/m3 of intrinsic radiation was at least OK, and that a few bq of fallout is not. Weve made some headway, yet it falls on deaf ears

                  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                    Nuclear: "You can swim in it!"

                    Cesium replaces potassium, but does not potassium make.

                    2002 Effect of Potassium on Uptake of 137Cs in Foodcrops Grown on Coral Soils

                    2004 Cesium Toxicity in Arabidopsis
                    "…Cesium (Cs) is chemically similar to potassium (K). However, although K is an essential element, Cs is toxic to plants. Two contrasting hypotheses to explain Cs toxicity have been proposed: (1) extracellular Cs+ prevents K+ uptake and, thereby, induces K starvation; and (2) intracellular Cs+ interacts with vital K+-binding sites in proteins, either competitively or noncompetitively, impairing their activities. …
                    Potassium (K) is an essential macronutrient. It is required (as K+) at concentrations of 100 to 150 mm in the cytoplasm of plant cells to activate enzymes and stabilize protein and nucleotide structure (Leigh and Wyn Jones, 1984; Marschner, 1995). The cation Cs+ shares similar chemical properties to K+ and competes with K+ for cation binding sites in proteins (Avery, 1995). Unfortunately, Cs+ does not behave identically to K+ and inhibits the activity of many K+-activated enzymes (Avery, 1995). Consequently, Cs+ is potentially toxic to plants. In addition, Cs+ inhibits the inward-rectifying K channels in the plasma membranes of plant cells (White, 1997; White and Broadley, 2000), including the major inward-rectifying K channels…"

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      "…involved in plant K nutrition (e.g. AtAKT1 in Arabidopsis [Arabidopsis thaliana]). Excessive Cs+ in the rhizosphere could, therefore, induce K starvation in plants. …"

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              They need a new scale where the measured isotope has a toxicity multiplier.

              60,000 bq/ cubic meter X toxic effect (K40 TM=0) = zero Toxic Radiation Impact.

              5,000 bq/ cubic meter X TE (Plutonium = TM 1,000,000} = 5,000,000 TRI = shit your pants while you have the chance.

              • DUDe DUD

                "..They need a new scale where the measured isotope has a toxicity multiplier.."


                • DUDe DUD

                  "..For reasons known and reasons unknown, fallout is much worse than scientifically assumed. Making fallout 1000 times more poisonous than background STILL does not do it.."

                  Well Code , at least the picture of what kind of thinking/meassuring scales we need to practice to be somewhat realistic regarding everything manmade nuclear penetrating the biosphere and our personal body's start's to emerge..

                  And credit goes to this group here on teh webz and the biggest part to You (and your opponent's lol) and also those that kept equally courageous but more softly hammering the importance of the chemical toxic properties of the criminal crap..

                  /Takes a moment of gratefull staring in to nothingness lol..ok no joke..hat's off to you all guy's..we are getting somewhere with this..

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  "Radiation Weighing factor" is a term I lust came across.

                  Don't know much about it.

                  The nuclear industry PR damage factor seems to be the over riding consideration however.

                  PR is an Acronym for public relations.

                  Public Radiation…. hey I should sell shower curtains with radiation warning symbols, and skulls and bones and evacuees n shit. Bedspreads and curtains n pillowcases with "Fukushima-nuclear's finest hour"…and radioactive waste bags, dead whales, seals, birds, and melted down fuku ruins. I know the nuke guys would love that. Sad but true

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                unincred, note that it is a mere 10 bq/m3 on the US coast. For reasons known and reasons unknown, fallout is much worse than scientifically assumed. Making fallout 1000 times more poisonous than background STILL does not do it. It does not solve the dose conundrum because they would be equally toxic. Experience has shown that background permits life to exist for millions of generations, where man made mutates and kills in one generation…

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  Radon, thorium, and uranium are natural radioactive elements, but they are very deadly. A thorium reactor needs enriched uranium or plutonium to work. And a thorium reactor releases Krypton-85 which is not only deadly, but causes the terrible storms. And all decay causes global warming.

                  Thorium and uranium and coal and oil and methane (natural gas) need to be left in the ground. Once mined they are released into the atmosphere. These natural elements mined are no longer in their original state in nature. And nuclear fission released as isotopes the same isotopes that natural, but are

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    now released in the air and are in an increased amount than what existed before mining began.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Thanks for reading and commenting on my every post with several more PT! Appreciate it.

                      Radon and thorium and cosmic rays and uranium are all known radioactive dangers. You point this out. Everyone knows it. However, the radioisotopes that the world is experiencing from mans nuclear fallout are different. The proof of this is realized when you look them up. One finds they are different (some are the same but with a different purity size and distribution).

                      This new radioactive danger seems to have raised the cancer rate to a shocking level, decreased the health of animals, including reduced brain size, heart morbidity, immune system detriment and birth defect. Do you agree so far?

                      The fact remains that man and animal did fine for endless generations with an internal radiation concentration of 60,000 bq per cubic meter of cellular liquid. This is no longer a point of debate…the point has stood up to scrutiny. But now, the ocean life, and the land life appears to be suffering huge morbidity and mortality…in one generation…with levels a fraction of what we have lived with inside our bodies since time immemorial.

                      Therefor, the truth of my statement stands; man made radiation, as a loose categorization, is much worse than background radiation. There are reasons for this, and some of those reasons are known and have been elaborated many times. What do you get out of fighting this most pertinent and anti nuclear truth?

                    • Man made Cesium is a deadly heavy metal poison plus it is radioactive at the atomic or molecular level. The radioactivity activity of cesium is millions of times greater than that of some natural isotopes in the environment such as potassium 40.

                      Radioactive Potassium (K40) In Bananas Compared To Cesium, Plutonium, Uranium And Iodine; Peeling Away The Mystery And Deception

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Correct! 🙂

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  Freshly split atom carcasses smell bad at quantum level…

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          12,000 marshmallows/m^3 vs. 1.3 facehuggers/m^3

      • penny penny

        Another way, amongst the many, in which the public is constantly misled: the 'authorities' only ever mention *one single radionuclide* at a time. So, 7000 Bq/m3 (however many curies) of tritium. Deadly enough. Add it to all the Cs and all the Pu and all the other ionizing radiation – thousands of killer atoms comin' right atcha – and it's hard not to crawl into a hole and whimper.

        Combine the total radiation from all those atoms, and then combine that with their chemical toxicity. THAT is what should be reported every time: the sum total. Anything else is plenty scary in its own right, but still fundamentally dishonest. The term 'synergy' sounds too benign here; it's more like the difference between facing your mortal enemies one-at-a-time head on, and being surrounded by them all simultaneously (including from above and below). Which takes it from a whimper scenario, to a blood-curdling scream (cut short).

        Conversely, I've never had the urge to dive under my shopping cart, duck and cover, when I pass by the bananas in the produce section at Tesco. Emitters just don't have that same 'je ne sais quoi', that gamma-ray producers do…

    • Jebus Jebus

      And yes, there is data on 11 plus bequerels combined chemical radioisotopes public that shows the presence of all the other chemical radioisotopes theoretically possible, dumped into the Ocean, with the worlds worst on and on going nuclear disaster in history.

      Parsing the effects of distributed radionuclides by unknown fluid dynamics against heat point source BTU calculateed radiant heat numbers is impossible.

      There is much more happening to the Earth's one and only ocean, from Fukushima, than distributed radioactive waste heat decay numbers…

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Oops. Canada 1,000 X more lax than USA. Maybe Health Canada was drunk and made a typo.

      Dana said they moved the data, anyone have a link to the data now?

      • mon ami

        Thats because canada has more radisotope labs than anywhere in the world. The second most uranium mines and it is a vassal state of the queen

      • penny penny

        There's this:

        If anyone has archived the pre-Fukushima drinking water standards, can they please verify that the standard used to be 20 Bq/m3, as i think Dana had stated long ago in a video I can't find? Because now, on the Health Canada tritium fact sheet, they have this statement:
        "On June 9, 2009, the ODWAC proposed to the Ontario Ministry of Environment to lower the enforceable limit of tritium in drinking water from 7,000 Bq/L to 20 Bq/L." Which makes it sound like it's always been a very high limit, except that the way it's randomly thrown in there, out of context and a propos of nothing, is very fishy.

        • penny penny

          Although that may be leading off into a chase after a red herring. The 'safe' limits are too high, in any case (those highway signs that contain tiny amount of tritium, to make them glow at night, are classed as hazardous waste, among other things). And, again, it isn't *just* tritium, it's the 4000 Horsemen of the Apocalypse. 🙂

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          I read that the 7,000 bq/L tritium "allowable limit happened in 2002. I had thought it was an after 2011 standard change. I posted the link a while back.

          "• In Canada, current tritium levels in drinking water are several orders of magnitude lower
          than the guideline reference level (GL) of 7,000 Bq/L near nuclear facilities, and similarly
          well below the European Union’s GL of 100 Bq/L."

          Radiation Weighing factor – this is a term I didn't know about

          Useful page

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            The U.S. is now allowing 20,000 Bq/L. Need to verify that, but someone posted a link here & stated that's the EPA standard now. Alrighty.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Pardon me, it's 20,000 Picocuries per Liter (Litre). That's different. Hmmn, the converted number in
              Bq/L is 740 Bq/L. That's not horrific, but it's a lot higher than the 100 Bq/L allowed in Europe. And if Canada is back at 20 Bq/L, then that's a factor of 37 times higher being allowed in the U.S. than in Canada.

              Just roast me, toast me, ghost me, then.

              • penny penny

                Oops! Sorry, HoTaters, to leave that impression. No, Canada is still definitely at 7000 Bq/L. That's why I found it bizarre that they would insert a sentence about having considered going lower – since, apparently, it never happened. But the natural level is well below 20 Bq/L so 740 is not comforting. Not that it matters if no one is monitoring it ;(

                Also, many condolences for your loss of your father. Sigh…

                • Angela_R

                  Actually Penny, when I first saw the chart in the following link, I silently screamed, after all I live in Australia:

                  Tritium limit (Bq/l)

                  Australia 74103
                  Finland 30000
                  WHO 10000
                  Switzerland 10000
                  Russia 7700
                  Canada (Ontario) 7000
                  United States 740

                  The American limit is calculated to yield a dose of 4.0 millirems (or 40 microsieverts in SI units) per year.[31] This is about 1.3% of the natural background radiation (roughly 3000 microsieverts).

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    funny to realize sieverts aren't real numbers, they're just made up…imaginary even.

                    The exacting science of radiation dose risk; based on bad data and imaginary dose coefficients…

                    • penny penny

                      Maybe because Nature doesn't really give a flying ___ about man's ridiculous need to quantify the qualitative or to synthetically categorize the organic?

                  • penny penny

                    Angela, sheesh, I would be screaming, too! It's strange that Australia has no reactors, but the highest limits on radioactivity. Of course, the gov't seems happy to take other countries' waste products and there are the uranium mines, but still, it makes one wonder if there's any rhyme or reason to the limits anywhere. If only there were a citizens' commission to monitor the actual levels of radionuclides in the environment… although task #1 is to shut down the sources. No point in letting the house burn down while you calculate the BTU's from the fire.

                    • Angela_R

                      penny, It is many years since I studied chemistry. In attempting to recall and play catch up, I needed to revisit terms and definitions. Suddenly I became astounded at what I was reading.

                      For some decades Australia has had a Nuclear Reactor at Lucas Heights which is around 30 kilometres south of Sydney. This has been used for medical research and to produce isotopes used for medical procedures.

                    • Angela_R

                      "If only there were a citizens' commission to monitor the actual levels of radionuclides in the environment…."

                      The escapees? Even if it was possible, could we really cope with the knowledge…

                      but then if there had been a will, there may have been a way

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Not sure what year the NRC info. was published, but it makes a reference to the 2012 Committee recommendations regarding reviewing the threshold standard.

                Thank you, Uni, for the historical information from 2007.

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Page 18 Chapter 4.

          2007 report

          Table 4.1 has the standards for tritium in Canada, US, EU

  • mon ami

    There are conversion factors to convert bqs to units of mass in grams for each radionucleides. Some people here do not want other people to know that. I do not appreciate your personal attacks against me jebus. Like attacking me for using a cell phone. And there is nochb thing as dividingbin a free forum. Its called attacking critical thought. Sometimes you are a very uncivil guy.

  • mon ami

    One gram of caesium-137 has an activity of 3.215 terabecquerel(TBq).

    elements and isotopes may also be mass in mass by mass spectrometers sir

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I need one now.

    Interesting stuff.

    I had a thought. Look out. Maybe our DNA uses our internal "contamination" decays/ sec to keep time. Maybe, without this radiation, or health would fail.

    And maybe other than that, radiation is unnecessary, and harmful.

    A bicycle needs a chain. Just one. What the heck would more chains accomplish?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    The Pacific Ocean isn't dying. It's just life-impaired. Be politically correct.

    Nuketards aren't stupid, they are psychopaths. Be politically correct.

  • razzz razzz

    Fukus' Diary links to more I-131 found in sewage sludge about 40 miles from Daiichi.

    If from medical treatments, doctors use larger injections vs smaller to avoid creating cancers by killing off all the surrounding thyroid tissue. On the other hand, Japan says there is no medical conditions from Fukus' fallout.

    Then fission products are different than decay products.

    The whole manmade nuclear chain reaction thing gives me a headache.

    '650Bq/Kg of I-131 still measured from sewage sludge of Fukushima'

    "…Along with I-131, Cs-134/137 density also increase and became the highest, which was 111 Bq/Kg on the same day when I-131 density became the highest.

    Both of the highest densities were detected about 1 week after the rain (57.0 mm) to strongly implies the possibility that the discharged radioactive material is carried by the wind and fall with rain."


    "…For example, children treated with moderate dose of I-131 for thyroid adenomas had a detectable increase in thyroid cancer, but children treated with a much higher dose did not…"

    Another name for fracturing instead of splitting:

    'Fission product yield'

    "…This is because the fission event causes the nucleus to split in an asymmetric manner…"

    • razzz razzz

      Which are manmade is not specifically stated.

      'Isotopes of caesium'

      "…Cs with a half-life of 30.17 years is one of the two principal medium-lived fission products, along with 90Sr, which are responsible for most of the radioactivity of spent nuclear fuel after several years of cooling, up to several hundred years after use. It constitutes most of the radioactivity still left from the Chernobyl accident and is a major health concern for decontaminating land near the Fukushima nuclear power plant.[6] 137Cs beta decays to barium-137m (a short-lived nuclear isomer) then to nonradioactive barium-137, and is also a strong emitter of gamma radiation. 137Cs has a very low rate of neutron capture and cannot be feasibly disposed of in this way, but must be allowed to decay. 137Cs has been used as a tracer in hydrologic studies, analogous to the use of 3H…"

      "… Caesium 134 is not produced via beta decay of other fission product nuclides of mass 134 since beta decay stops at stable 134Xe. It is also not produced by nuclear weapons because 133Cs is created by beta decay of original fission products only long after the nuclear explosion is over…"


      "…Naturally occurring strontium is nonradioactive and nontoxic at levels normally found in the environment, but 90Sr is a radiation hazard…"

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Dana looks good. Sounds good. Has a weary veteran look, but looks good. The suit looks good. Still, I think he could use some props. Chem suit and mask on occasion.

    Maybe he can get some beagle dogs… stuffed and dead on the floor. Tasteless?

    You betcha!

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    2015 FD_NPP pictures show no cover over reactor 4 as far as I can see.


  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Still can't get over how unit 1 looks like a pile of ashes. March 2011 FOIA documents said the priority was on Init one, because the containment was still intact. Looks like they remedied that…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    The cover is back on unit one now? Hm

  • Planet 911 Emergency, Nature Speaks To Humanity; Are You Ready To Hear What Mother Nature Has To Say? Natures Always Wins Because She Bats Last, So Why Not Work In Harmony With Her?

  • Jebus Jebus

    I have a question.

    Does anyone believe that what each one of us billion or so humans, basicaly in the northern hemisphere, have done to the environment, in the last hundred plus years, can be repeated six billion or more times on this planet?

  • Jebus Jebus

    We are near the point in the path where the only viable option is to stop…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    2:30 mark- One dozen "killed right away" at Fukushima in this video.

    This video which is pro-nuclear propaganda

    Says no one died at all from the meltdowns.

    Paid per lie, or by the speech it's good money.

  • hbjon hbjon

    Please be humble as earth sits alone among trillions of out of reach stars and planets unable to sustain life as we know it. Hundreds of earthlings are blowing up each other weekly as it feeds a growing lust for revenge. There must be a way to reconcile and forgive your neighbors that have wronged you, in every instance.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Maybe the key is.. we all stop wronging each other! 🙂

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Nice idea for enlightened populace obe. Even peace at all costs people have their lines. Say a child is about to stab a kitten in the eye with an ice pick or corkscrew. Anybody in their right mind would take swift corrective physical action to stop the unrestrained animalistic killing instinct of the little boy. The world is full of all kinds. Expect corrupt and selfish or slaughtering exploitative behavior

  • Jebus Jebus

    Without even knowing it a little bird's purpose today is to survive for tomorrow to reproduce yesterday, while everything he does supports that in every possible way.


  • unincredulous unincredulous

    IAEA said that after Chernobyl, Thyroid cancer increased, but after Fukushima perhaps there will not be, and it isn't expected. Really science-based decision there —not

    Then, the spikes occured.

    "The largest earthquake and consequent tsunami on record struck an ageing nuclear power plant which was built to a now obsolete boiling water reactor technology, and no nuclear damage resulted to people and property in the neighbourhood."

    So insurance companies should pay off the earthquake and tsunami damage, and resume insuring hypothetical evacuees return to their homes, and land values will remain stable, kids can play in the dirt again, right?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    PM Abe and the Imperial Families, right down to the toddlers, should move to Futaba to show how ridiculous fear of radiation is — for the rest of their lives. Move the government center there. That's what Samurai warriors, leaders and the Emperor of Japan do, right? The lead by example, right? Or will they be cowardly and without honor refuse to back up their lying words?

    The US should move the capital to San Onofre, too. Or Hanford. Lead or go go home

    • Have them and the hormesis theory promoters lead the charge.. Camp in the woods around Fukushima, gather and spread pollen on the floor of their tents. Eat local fish from the rivers, pick the wild mushrooms and eat the wild boar. Burn the local wood and pine needles. They should just glow with health after a few months of that hormesis radiation vacation.


      • unincredulous unincredulous

        They can make real deviled eggs there. When the DNA class cleaner death squads come, they can hide in the sewers and smoke crack, or live in the crypts nearby. Lots of pluses. Kind of like Jethro Bodine Robin Hood party. Smoked crawdads and Iodine drips! Groovy man, it will be fun

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Hanford, the new capitol of the United States…that is one of the best ideas Ive heard unincredulous. Put their mouths where their money is

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        They spent 19 billion dollars there on clean-up. The on-site facilities should be just fine for what our congress has been accomplishing.

        Look at what Bin Laden did with a cave and some duct tape

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Good One! 🙂

          "Look at what Bin Laden did with a cave and some duct tape"

        • PlowboyGrownUp

          "The much-maligned Japanese energy company is at it again with another technological failure.

          Cleanup efforts at the shuttered and leaking Fukushima nuclear plant hit the skids this week as officials were confronted with a new and unexpected challenge: radiation levels are so high that a particularly damaged reactor cannot be accessed, even by robots"
          (well, I thought they already knew that a couple of years ago)

        • PlowboyGrownUp

          "The meltdown that led to the Fukushima disaster could have been greatly limited, but the company used radiation monitoring equipment that maxed out at 100mSv. Radiation levels were higher by a factor of 18 following the meltdown, preventing warnings and an alarm being sounded for an extended period of time." same link

          • PlowboyGrownUp

            "TEPCO says that they are responding to the situation urgently, promising to have a new robot ready by 2017. While the company continues cleanup operations on a learn-as-you-go basis, over 8,000 workers risk their lives every day, clearing the site of radioactive debris."

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        And look what I am expected to accomplish. $125 dollars I've put into getting $48 bucks of food stamps, and all I got so far was a pamphlet on stretching the food dollars.

        So, I really think the facilities at Hanford are too good for them. It won't be a proper challenge for their life-space stakeholder development. I think there is a rest-stop down the road that will do nicely.

        They could have fixed St. Louis with an office furniture dam

        We need to present them with same character building sets bestowed on food stamp recipients

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Gina McCarty to key DOE and NRC officials, copied to President Obama, "Hey, guys, I have an idea. What do you think of this? You know those subcontractors we at EPA are paying to run the RadNet Air Monitoring Stations? Well, I've been thinking a lot about this. And since we know that radiation levels when the plume hits full force around March 18 will be so low as not to be of any concern, I was thinking we could just turn some of them off. You know, and save some money."

          And then the new office furniture showed up in 2011.

          (Check out the 2011 expenditures. I smell a rat.)

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Missing part of that conversation, insert after, "What do you think of this?"

            "Remember what we talked about in the teleconference, how we'd all keep a united front? …"

            "You know those subcontractors at EPA are paying to run the RadNet Air Monitoring Stations…."

            Reply, "Brilliant, Gina. Kind of reminds me of Rumsfeld's stategy in 2001."

            Big, stinking rats everywhere.

  • irhologram

    Lighten up!

    Its Easter! Rise above!

    Inhale Peace and Joy! Exhale hurt and doubt! Repeat!

    Add to above quote;


    How many times?

    There is no end. Keep forgiving.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Found this perfectly good used radioactive chat just lying around. Don't know if anyone is home. Looks like last chat August or so. Spooky.

  • Sol Man

    Yes, way too much radiation out there, everywhere.

    Has anybody read about whatever happened to leaking nerve gas canisters in storage somewhere? I remember news blurbs about these things from back in the 70's, so I wonder if they ever got those all cleaned up. it is problematic when the public gets distorted news.
    What is true?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Code, my spirit is willing but my mind is weak. The quest for why we are somewhat immune to K40 may drive me nuts.

    Don't know if it can be attained with my knowledge.
    Zen megathrust search leads to webpage not yet created.

    Ixquick image search shows:


    Happy Easter Resurrection day.

    Odd coincidence I find that 30 minutes after Easter ends.

    Curious where this guy is going with it. Maybe H.P. Lovecraft… but I tried.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Blessings to you, too, uni!

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Did I miss something? Why the modern imagery with art dated in 19th and 20th Century years? The spirit is willing, but the mind is weak.

        • HoTaters HoTaters


          "Even so the nuclear question remains special-a culmination or apotheosis of this longer trend. As we learn in the interview, a nuclear disaster is different from other contaminations. Because of the very nature of radiation, namely its spatial and temporal scales, in many ways we lack a language adequate to a world lorded over by radiation. The literary genre called Cosmic Horror of Algernon Blackwood or H. P. Lovecraft has long attempted to grasp the frightening realities of unleashing a force that operates on such a-human scales and temporalities as plutonium-239 (half-life over 24,000 years) or uranium-235 (half-life over 700 million years). The Horror writer and arch-pessimist Thomas Ligotti perhaps comes closest to describing the implications of unleashing truly astronomical forces into human everyday life when he writes:

          'Such is the motif of supernatural horror: Something terrible in its being comes forward and makes its claim as a shareholder in our reality, or what we think is our reality and ours alone. It may be an emissary from the grave, or an esoteric monstrosity…. It may be the offspring of a scientific experiment with unintended consequences…. Or it may be a world unto itself of pure morbidity, one suffused with a profound sense of doom without a name – Edgar Allan Poe’s world.' "

          Can't find the link for that.

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          The art is something there on tumblr. It's not me.

          I was just saying I'd like to help but can't I hit brick walls.

          Then my art/sci-fi computer search let my mind go free is sayin Some kind of reactor, floating on the sea, using all that Natural radiation, under the open sky, put no toxic waste out, just same radioactive natural stuff under a sky dominated by orange and blue and children playing on deck. Blah blah. Weak. Use potassium as a bike chain. Screw cesium, fukyupium, etc sleep time

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Corpse reviver. Hmmn. La Danse Macabre.

        Blessings, notwithstanding.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      If we could get them to make nuclear reactor that runs on potassium or its products are similar to our own contents c-, K, etc. If we can't understand it, try an get the nuketards to actually achieve the clean green dream they have. They are failing miserably now. They are killing everything and callin it progress. Zombies…clean ….green…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      unincredulous….first, see what mainstream science says. They say potassium radiation only does minor damage. But this is what they say for other radioactive elements. Here are a few. They have settled on various multipliers for different isotope toxicity, depending to a large extent if they are alpha, beta or gamma radiators, but many other factors go into it.

      K-40 – ICRP: 6.2 nSv/Bq
      Sr-89 – ICRP: 2.6 nSv/Bq
      I-131 – ICRP: 22 nSv/Bq
      Cs-137- ICRP: 13 nSv/Bq

      So cesium-137 is only considered twice as dangerous per becquerel.

      How could this be though? Animals lived with 60,000 bq per cubic meter of radiation inside their cells, right next to the DNA and this has not shown to be detrimental. But cesium at that level will bring down your health immediately.

      This is where the battle with pro and anti nukers begins. Both will fight you in your efforts to figure out if and why our natural radiation is benign and man made is not. Again, for the whiners who are jumping up and down…we dont consider cosmic radiation, radon or any natural radiation source to be without an impact of ionization tracks, free radical creation and DNA damage.

      at normal radiation exposure levels, 2/3 to 90% of the DNA damage is caused by free radicals, not direct radiation bullets to DNA.

      There is an interesting parallel, oxygen. Search for oxygen radicals;

      " free radicals are the price we pay for breathing, the inescapable byproducts of living in a world full of oxygen. Even if…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        The first assumption is that its always about the radiation. People race to come up with reasons why our internal radiation or oceanic background is so high compared to anthropogenic sources. They believe the background must be dangerous because its…radiation after all. So they invent the idea that man must have created this background, or that its been killing off everything since the beginning, just like cesium137. But the evidence says they are wrong, and their perhaps well meaning effort to explain away this inconvenient truth actually works against the anti nukers and for the pro nukers.

        This makes it clear; imagine there is and never was any background radiation…no potassium, no radon, no cosmic rays…zero radiation. The addition of any quantity of man made radiation would be terribly alarming. A new poison never seen before and its here infinitely greater than it ever was, which was not at all. An infinite increase in poison!

        If we invent the idea that man has created all that background, it works exactly opposite; cesium and strontium are just tiny additions to "manmade background" and hence are of moderate concern compared to the over all dose.

        But besides that, science will quickly prove these inventions to be false, and all credibility is lost! So, its better to accept the fact that life has always had radiation…the Woods Hole "we live on a radioactive planet" is true, not false.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          So weve got past my long winded preamble. It helps to start with the concept that all radiation sources are different, sometimes radically so. An obvious difference is the specific activity…how much radioactivity per mass.

          K-40 wont be found without its two sister isotopes. This is a good example of why they should not lump all isotopes together and extrapolate danger from the radiation! This is what I have;

          specific activity of K-40 is 0.0000071 But specific activity of potassium= .00000000085
          specific activity cesium137 3125000000000.

          So this is how much more radioactive cesium is than potassium; (warning, I more than likely got the decimal points off, so double check for accuracy) 3125000000000/0.00000000085 = 3,670,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more! wow, could that be correct? Im really doubting it, but checking the numbers will have to wait another day. Point stands though; clearly NOT the same kind of substance! Man in white lab coat; If we just dilute the cesium a billion gazillion times, it will be just like potassium!

          But science insists on making an equivalence, and I have it that the US FDA's derived intervention level is 160 Bq/kg for strontium 90, 170 Bq/kg for iodine 131, and 1,200 Bq/kg for cesium 134 and 137. The animals have 50 bq/kg of potassium, so you can see they think cesium, at 24 times that level is just beginning to be a concern! Wow! Its about here I start thinking the scientists are out of their gourds!

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Unincredulous…there are many more interesting factors, including the well known bioaccumulation factors, the biopolymer absorption thing (chitin), a fascinating theory about the chirality of biomolecules..their left and right asymmetry and how this could be influenced by gamma from potassium (life uses predominantly left handed proteins)

            There are other interesting features of potassium; like lightening, and positron emission tomography machines, it creates antimatter explosions! Im not drawing conclusions on that, but its rather unique and something for life to play with since the beginning.

            The nuclear spin of k-40 is 4, which I take it is kind of rare. There is new research on the magnetic isotope effects on DNA and ATP synthesis, magnesium in particular. I dont know, but it might point to the possibility of interesting nuclear magnetic field interactions. Speculative of course, but nobody else is reaching, so we have to give it a go.

            There is the whole information effect. People can be allergic to incredibly small amounts of an allergen. The bystander effect is an example where the information is killing cells…as much as 50x as many as the one actually hit by radiation. Information may be a huge research field.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              water as an information carrier. Could it be that non radioactive water could still carrier the informational signature of a radioactive poison? Some would scoff, but the true scientific mind stays open.


              Poisons and injuries cant be analyzed by a purely local physical effect. Yet this is what radiation dose science wants to do. An analogy makes it clear; a lion gets a bad thorn in its paw. The narrow minded scientist looks at the energy transfer; insignificant, say compared to a bullet. He looks at the extent of damage; minimal, local swelling and hardly any blood loss. He looks at chemical toxins; thorn is wood and non poisonous. Finally he declares the thorn presents no immediate danger and not life threatening. Meanwhile, the lion feels lousy ALL OVER. He goes off alone, licking his paw in pain. Some days pass and he must kill to eat. But his lunge is compromised and the animal escapes. Worn down, his immune system cant fight off the infection starting in the small wound. Days later he is dead. Well its a long winded analogy, but it says something about being poisoned or wounded. In this video, nerves retreat from mercury. You can see the living vitality of a cell turn toward a retreating non life state.

              If you hit a child with a stick, the whole life energy is altered, far more than the damage from the stick itself. Poison?

          • CodeShutdown, I make this very point in this test chart of resin encapsulated sample of black fungus like material, that reportedly came from somewhere in the Minamisoma area Japan. Everyone is free to use this chart to educate people on how hot, artificial isotopes like Cesium-137 and Cesium-134 are compared to Potassium-40.


            Full story here,


            • Plus, Cesium is a poison and can interfere with the electrical systems of the body. It is not Potassium a natural salt the body is use to.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                yes, good work vital1. Thank you for your clear and educational works.

                You also have the correct ratio of k-40 to cesium specific activity where obviously mine was bungled up big time. I suppose my source data used different units, or maybe I had a stroke, who knows. So cesium is 103,000,000,000 times more radioactive than whole potassium? Ill get it right eventually

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              "Disclaimer: This is an amateur volunteer run service. Human error can provide incorrect information, and equipment malfunction can produce false readings. Do not rely on, or take action upon information presented on this web site, without further research. Views expressed in the pages or images on the SCCC Inc., site maybe the personal opinions of the relevant writers, and are not necessarily representative of those of SCCC Inc."

              TEPCO should have a disclaimer like that, too.

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Using those numbers, and replacing "density" for "activity" —- a ping pong ball represents one potassium becquerel. A ping pong ball 4 million times a trillion times denser would represent a cesium bequerel. I would say that density would not be fully represented by a lead-filled ping pong ball. But say it were.

            If you have 50 ping pong balls bounced off your head in a day it would be irritating. If you had 1200 lead balls fall out of the sky on your head, you would be more than dead, you would be mush.

            The white lab coats say this is the line. Anything beyond this is a problem.

            When actually one lead ping pong ball would kill you with a cancer 20 years down the road.

            That level of inaccuracy is similar to the underestimations of contamination levels at FD-NPP.

            i'd say your onto something there

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          From the numbers you mention, a caparison can be made with light:

          We know plants and animals evolved in light.
          Therefore, why are they bursting into flame in the light of our lasers. The lasers only concentrate energy 1200- 3,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 X

          Mysterious befuddlement Batman!

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Isaac Asimov

        This explains not the solution, but how K40 played out in evolution.

        Numbers mess with me. Seems like a half life would diminish the quantity but still could be infinitely small bits left. What really bugs me is C14 half life only 5000 something years long. What happens when carbon 14 decays away to nothing will there be any life left or will we live on carbon 13 or something. Maybe we will have to figure out how to be something else before C14 runs out. With Fuku, I guess we can just not worry about that… Didn't expext to find Isaac Asimov in boring K40 reads.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          unincred…the C14 is made in the atmosphere by cosmic rays, so it replenishes

          Interesting Asimov says "When life appeared in the geological record, it incorporated potassium which gave it a radiation dose almost 7 times higher than typical contemporary lifeforms endure. " and makes the assumption that potassium mutations drive evolution. In at least one study, no mutation from potassium was found.

          Im an evolutionist but Im not an evolutionist. They stick doggedly to one hypothesis

          • Angela_R

            Some months ago I linked to the following article. In endeavouring to understand the increase of K-40, it may help to read this (mind you I have argued that its increase is as a mutant form)
            extract follows together with link:

            In February 2009 H. W. Gabriel and Dr D. Schalch presented data from an investigation of soil samples from Serbia, and reported some remarkable shifts in isotopic concentrations of potassium.1 In comparison to natural potassium an enhanced fraction – up to 100fold – of radioactive potassium-40 was found. The element of potassium occurs in nature as a mixture of three isotopes, K-39 (93.94 %), K-40 (0.117 %) and K-41(6.3 %).

            One would expect radioactive potassium-40, which is a beta and gamma ray emitter with a very long half life, to account for only 0.117 % of natural potassium. The soil samples were analysed by means of gamma spectroscopy and chemotechnical methods, results were shown to be reliable and reproducible. An outstandingly high proportion of potassium-40, up to 100fold that of normal, was measured."

            • Angela_R

              "Taking into consideration, that natural variation in isotopic proportions due to different geological influences is quite narrow (around 1 ‰), than the question arises, where these high amounts of potassium 40 come from.

              It is not part of the radioactive series of either uranium or thorium. This excludes uranium to be the source of potassium 40. In fact K-40 can only be produced by nuclear transformation of another element. For instance, firing neutrons at non-radioactive calcium 40 will produce radioactive potassium-40 particles. The finding of enhanced concentrations of additional radioactive isotopes such as carbon-14 and beryllium-10 can only be explaned by a nuclear reaction, which produced these particles on the spot. In other words, weapons must have been used, which lead to such nuclear reactions (tactical atomic weapons)."

              Well worth reading here (see page 7):

              • Angela_R

                note to self re "In other words, weapons must have been used, which lead to such nuclear reactions"

                but why not also through the errant fissile escapees from nuclear reactors…

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Angela, you mean why has K-40 been decreasing, dont you? It was higher the further back in history you go.

                  We have talked about that one odd article that supposedly found anomalous amounts of k-40 and they theorize this is from new and mysterious type of nuclear weapon. Goodheart also makes this part of his evidence arsenal. You cant make any deduction at all from that story except that maybe there is some unknown nuclear weapon in use…or maybe not

                  • Angela_R

                    Actually Code, if you read Page 7 in the link referred to in my posts of 6.07am & 6.09am, you will note the increase of what is termed K-40; what was measured was claimed to be 'up to a 100fold that of normal'.

                    One of the previous threads where this was discussed was around 4th September, 2015, however there was an earlier one, in which a video was linked to in which Dr. Fisher? displayed samples of blue fin tuna and gave details of the measurements of cesium and potassium found therein. The quantity of the so-called K-40 was high. It was dismissed by him as of no concern, because K-40 was considered to be safe; after all – BANANAS!

                    For me, this is not just about K-40. You see, if people fail to understand that isotopes are not the same as elements, i.e. they are not the whole element, but only a part of, then they would expect the same chemical reaction as given by the WHOLE.

                    However, I should add that I cannot see that an isotope could go through the nuclear process, or be formed from it, and not come out scarred.

                    But this continues to bog down the blog.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Angela, I know the article. They found extra k-40 at ground zero of some unknown but theorized to be nuclear weapon. This in no way suggests that man has been measureably increasing the k-40 of the world or in our bodies. You took pre and post nuclear chemistry but seem to be confused about what isotopes are. You could read up on it if you like;


                      "Isotopes are variants of a particular chemical element which differ in neutron number, although all isotopes of a given element have the same number of protons in each atom. … different isotopes of a single element occupy the same position on the periodic table. The number of protons within the atom's nucleus is called atomic number and is equal to the number of electrons in the neutral (non-ionized) atom. Each atomic number identifies a specific element, but not the isotope; an atom of a given element may have a wide range in its number of neutrons. The number of nucleons (both protons and neutrons) in the nucleus is the atom's mass number, and each isotope of a given element has a different mass number."

                    • Angela_R

                      "Isotopes are variants of a particular chemical element",

                      they need to do better Code, with their definition.

                    • Angela_R

                      and ps. that article was last modified on 25 March 2016, at 18:40.

                      I think they can still do better…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Angela, its up to you to educate our chemistry professors then. Youve got your work cut out for you!

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            “…There are approximately 70 naturally occurring radionuclides on earth….”

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              CERCLA Reportable Quantities:
              Persons in charge of vessels or facilities are required to notify the National Response Center (NRC) immediately, when there is a release of this designated hazardous substance, in an amount equal to or greater than its reportable quantity of 1 curie or 3.7×10+10 Bq. The toll free number of the NRC is (800) 424-8802. The rule for determining when notification is required is stated in 40 CFR 302.4 (section IV. D.3.b). /Potassium-40/
              [40 CFR 302.4; U.S. National Archives and Records Administration's Electronic Code of Federal Regulations. Available from, as of March 3, 2006: **PEER REVIEWED**

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                Sorry, I forgot the quotation marks

              • Range of Toxicity:
                A) TOXICITY: ADULT: Doses as low as 2 to 2.5 mEq/kg of
                potassium have been reported to cause toxicity. GENERAL:
                NORMAL SERUM CONCENTRATIONS: 3.5 to 5 mEq/L; MINIMAL
                TOXICITY: Potassium concentrations under 6.5 mEq/L;
                MODERATE TOXICITY: Concentrations between 6.5 and 8 mEq/L
                produce lassitude, fatigue, and weakness. SEVERE
                TOXICITY: Concentrations over 8 mEq/L, complete
                neuromuscular paralysis may dominate the clinical
                picture. Death from cardiac arrest usually occurs at 9 to
                12 mEq/L. It may occur at lower levels if cellular
                potassium is severely depleted.

                • Angela_R

                  Dr. G. I wish I had a copy of the pre nuclear Periodic Chart of Elements which listed the then isotopes of the elements. I cannot swear to the fact that K-40 was primordial but I suspect our electrolytic bodily processes always needed some K-40.

                  However, if an isotope/atom has its nucleus split and its protons altered, could it be a healthy replica of the then claimed 'parent' element? I think the numerous nuclear progeny claimed to be isotopes potassium, die fairly quickly.

                  ps. As I have previously stated, the nucleus of the atom had been split a couple of decades before my introduction to chemistry, but I suspect that the Australian people were being treated as mushrooms. You see, my first chemistry book declared 'the atom cannot be split.' Mind you, on the first day of my introduction to this Scientific subject, we were informed to disregard this statement

                    • Angela_R

                      Along with the deletion of 'the atom cannot be split', at that time there were a number of elements added to my chemistry book.

                      The following extract comes from the Wikipedia entry:
                      “The first 94 elements exist naturally, although some are found only in trace amounts and were synthesized in laboratories before being found in nature.[n 1] Elements with atomic numbers from 95 to 118 have only been synthesized in laboratories. It has been shown that elements 95 to 100 once occurred in nature but currently do not.”

                      I am aware that there has been no notation provided for the last sentence in the previous paragraph.

                      However Plutonium is shown as No.94 in the current Periodic Table.


                    • Angela_R

                      and yet again, Dr. Goodheart, in your post of 10.11am I see you have placed my user name on a comment; where did you obtain this information? Please remove anything on your blog that purports to come from me.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Goodheart…do I read it right? Any amount of potassium lower or higher than the bodies required and tightly held level is dangerous and deadly? Both you and PT confuse potassium electrolyte effects with radiation and argue me on this basis. I hope you dont mind me saying that is ridiculous, especially since we pointed it out so many times. Whats up with that? Why dont you clear your head and have another go at it. This is not good for your credibility my friend

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Goodheart, perhaps with all your study on the issue, you have determined the ratio of man made C-14 to man made K-40?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      WHY trying to prove that man has increased the background radiation from potassium, and trying to prove its radioactive danger, works FOR pro nuclear and AGAINST anti nuclear;

                      It should be so obvious,…but here goes; The more man made and 'poisonous' k-40 there is, the more harm comes from it. Likewise, the LESS k-40 the less harm from it. Does this make sense so far? No?

                      OK, an analogy then; Say background K-40 is like a BB gun and cesium is like a pellet gun with twice the killing power. If you claim that there were hardly any bb guns before 1945 and man has increased the number of bb guns dramatically, then of course more harm will be inflicted by BB guns,…right? More BB guns = more BB gun harm.

                      Pro nukers would be happy with this because they will show you that compared to this huge number of BB guns, the twice-as-powerful but rare pellet gun seldom dose harm! Hardly any pellet guns!

                      Now on the other hand, if BB guns have NOT increased in number and only pellet guns (cesium) have increased, then more harm is coming from pellet guns. Make sense? And what if it was shown that bb guns actually never did any harm? Theorized, but not shown to harm; then ALL the gun damage could be from pellet guns. Remember, the pellet gun represents cesium and strontium and americium etc and BB guns represent K-40.

                      Now its just a short leap to understand why pushing the man made k-40 myth and hyping its danger is PRO NUCLEAR. You can do it; take that leap of…

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  This is because homeostasis is not instantaneous. It can take 3 weeks to flush out extra potassium. If a person, child or adult, takes a large amount of potassium pills, they have to go to a healthcare facility immediately. See the very long toxnet article on radioactive potassium. Radioactive potassium is larger concentrations are a hazard and have to be reported immediately.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              Please see pages 22-23. These are 70 natural radioactive isotopes and some are listed.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                This paper does highlight a shocking result of man made radiation which has been added to the biosphere;

                Tritium is now 10x and was 100x its pre nuclear era level during the bomb test era… thats radical man!

                "except for tritium and carbon14, the anthropogenic contributions from nuclear weapons testing or use are negligible compared to other sources of natural radioactivity. The principle component of these large releases of radioactivity was shorter lived fission products like I131…"

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        "This is where the battle with pro and anti nukers begins. Both will fight you in your efforts to figure out if and why our natural radiation is benign and man made is not"

        I don't know what they are doing , but I would not doubt they are doing it wrong, maybe that's why. Thinking about that, if man does make any K40 it's a far site more deadly than the off the shelf natural stuff. You loaded me up with reading material below. Wow. Back to bed…

        • Radioactive K40 Potassium Isotopes Are Created By Neutron Radiation From Nuclear Bombs, Nuclear Plants, Nuclear Accidents, Manmade K40 Created By Phosphate Fertilizer And Carbon Industry

          • DUDe DUD

            What we need now to let this discussion evolve further in to clarity and therefore usefulness is a way to figure out bio-chemical toxic qualities and the bio-toxic radiation qualities of every isotoop..independly from eachother and combined..manmade and natural..

            Not an easy task to figure out how to test for it..substances that attack life tru different dimensions simultaniously..

            But its needed..mandatory if we ever want to evolve out of the

            "The age of scienctific baffeldness" that in itself is no doubt a certain indicator of the near demise of our species and the lifeblob it is part of..


            • penny penny

              It would be nice to move beyond baffledom, but just looking at a bit of work by Caldicott or Busby – or the documentary on the Children of Chernobyl – is enough to convince any reasonable person that the first order of the day is to end nuclear. Now how to make people be reasonable… :/

            • ISeePinkClouds

              Yes. DUD. TY.

              In discussing these matters we are gaining a better understanding of the "nature" of these isotopes. I think we are making mental charts.

              It is hard to "get a handle on" just how deadly Nuclear Radiation is. It is so simple it could baffle a scientist.


              un-baffled in TX


          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            refresh my memory…did someone write to Busby regarding your man made potassium theory? In any case, the incorrectness of your article is summed up in its title; Radioactive K40 Potassium Isotopes Are Created By Neutron Radiation From Nuclear Bombs, Nuclear Plants, Nuclear Accidents, Manmade K40 Created By Phosphate Fertilizer And Carbon Industry

            curious readers are warned that the article is full of mistaken deductions. It works against the anti nuclear movement. Unintentional maybe, but sheesh

          • penny penny

            Given that K-40 really is a daughter product of several other decaying radionuclides, and given that the overall level of radionuclides in the environment has dramatically increased since 1945, it seems that K-40 levels would inevitably increase, as well – especially since its half-life is so long. I don't get how that undermines the anti-nuclear movement. A beta particle is a beta particle, whether emitted by K-40 or any other atom. Is it not the extremely low activity of K-40 that makes it a non-issue?

            Doc, I don't understand how a 'different sort' of K-40 could be made, since it should have an identical nucleus regardless of the source. But I'm not a nuclear chemist. But, if it were decaying by novel pathways, then it should, presumably, have a different half-life than natural, which should be testable.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              Primordial K-40 comes from before the earth was born and is in bound to 2 other stable isotopes of K-40. Man-made K-40 is not a decay product but a fission product from Chlorine 37. primordial plutonium is different from fission product plutonium.

              And you are right beta and gamma rays are the same no matter whether the isotope is primordial or a decay product or a fission product. Civilization has only been around 6,000 years. It didn't take long for "civilized humans" to destroy the biosphere.

              • penny penny

                'Bound to'? In nature, K doesn't bind to other K, it forms salts with anions. How is primordial plutonium different? Different isotope ration?

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  K-40, the radioactive isotope, is bound to 2 other potassium isotopes which are stable. This isn't true of fission caused K-40 caused by neutron bombardment of Chlorine-37.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    what paper says man created a bunch of k-40 by neutron bombardment of chlorine?

                    • Already posted once, will do it again so Code can find it more easily.

                      Radioactive K40 Potassium Isotopes Are Created By Neutron Radiation From Nuclear Bombs, Nuclear Plants, Nuclear Accidents, Manmade K40 Created By Phosphate Fertilizer And Carbon Industry

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Goodheart, sorry to say, but the incorrectness of your paper is indicated by its title; "Radioactive K40 Potassium Isotopes Are Created By Neutron Radiation From Nuclear Bombs, Nuclear Plants, Nuclear Accidents, Manmade K40 Created By Phosphate Fertilizer And Carbon Industry"

                      Start with the last bit; fertilizer and the carbon industry dont make k-40…they just move it around. Then, if Paveway wouldnt mind, I will offer his opinion from before;

                      "For the record, … I simply conceded that 'some' K-40 may have resulted from nuclear testing or ractors, and I guessed a kg or two. I have zero evidence that ANY has EVER been created by man in any way, shape or form, but didn't want to set myself up for the troll to prove that. Considering the only ways it *could* theoretically be created, the quantities (if any) are insignificant – like in the kg or so range.

                      I adamantly disagree that there is more than one kind of K-40 atom, that man-made would differ in any way from primordial, and that there is anything remotely like 'enriched' or high-voltage K-40.

                      All K-40 is radioactive and all K-40 decays in the known beta-gamma ratio that's been observed for decades. All K-40 in the sea and on land is exactly the same and in the same proportions to the non-radioactive K39 and K41 found everywhere. "

                      Goodheart, if only you would ask someone like Busby or Gunderson, you might be convinced of your error. An error that diminishes your credibility

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Dr G, we have requested that you offer your most convincing scientific paper which supports your theory. Instead you offer the same paper of yours which is all about your personal extrapolation and assumption. Is that a good GreenRoad pathway? Its personal because you always tag your papers onto my posts as if to prove them wrong. Of course this is GOOD, if you have the science but then you should produce it for us…

                    • penny penny

                      It's true that the link given under the K-40 from Cl discussion links to an article that's completely irrelevant. I haven't been able to find any literature reporting that pathway, but I gave up pretty quickly. The other documentation in that article is legitimate, though. Code, surely you wouldn't say that there is NO more K-40 in the environment now…?

                      Again, this seems like a bagatelle to me. At least, not worth a fight. The difference between the physiological effects of K-40 and Cs, Pu, Am, Bk, etc. is what will matter to people on the street. If scientists are pretending K-40 is comparable to those, it's because they stand to gain financially from such posturing, and their minds will never be changed.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      If you read any scientific literature, there is NO ONE who is saying that K-40 is as lethal as any other radioactive isotope. There are misleading statements. Like K-40 is the predominant isotope in the OCEAN. But so what?

                      Code never gives any links that support any of his claims. He just has his own theory which is unpublished and he mistates the position of many people. Straw arguments are when one person says another person said such and so when that person never said that at all. Tonight he didn't even know that people need to eat food with potassium every day to stay alive. Or so he said. It is very difficult to know how much represents his lack of knowledge and how much represents any other motivation.

                      But for sure the entire discussion is a distraction from the real issues. People could be spending an awful lot more time researching the nuclear issues facing the country.

                      Notice one thing. No renowned scientists are joining the debate because there is no real debate and there is no real reason to debate K-40.

                      The real amount of fallout from Fukushima is the elephant in the room that is being glossed over. The 14 reactor meltdowns in Japan are being ignored. The MOX fuel which is so extremely dangerous is still being used in Japan and the US and other places in the world.

                      MOX fuel melts at a much lower temperature than uranium. The plutonium used in MOX fuel is weapons grade plutonium and is very finely ground. In a nuclear accident that…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      fine plutonium is wind borne around the entire world coming down and easily inhaled and 100% lethal.

                      The explosions at Unit 3 were MOX/plutonium criticalities. The Unit 4 explosions were MOX/plutonium criticalities. All the discussion of K-40 is just a distraction that the nuclear industry is extraordinarily unsafe and emits huge amounts of radiation every day and even more when the cap is off and fuel is replaced. And the energy is unreliable and not usable during the long and often refueling periods.

                    • Angela_R

                      Unfortunately my post ended up a little too far down, so I will repeat here:

                      Dr.Goodheart @ 10.06pm

                      I refer to your link and on visiting your site I noted that my username appears in your article.

                      As you are aware I have never posted on your website. Please remove what you have placed there under my name and inform me where you obtained those details.

                      Thank you.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, its not true that nobody is saying k-40 is as lethal as other radioisotopes. I already gave you examples. Its considered more deadly than several other radioisotopes. Check it yourself;

                      Compendium of dose coefficients

                      K-40 is the predominant radiation in the ocean, dwarfing anthropogenic sources, and its also the predominant radiation dose internally. Scientists are always referencing this standard of nature. Thats why its important. Try telling Busby or any scientist that its a useless distraction!

                      What do you believe? is the higher dose from potassium, —already adjusted with dose coefficients into risk units— is it less dangerous than anthropogenic radiation or not? Give it a number or percentage…how much health detriment are we getting from background compared to man made? Would you say this largest source of radiation is 10%…20%…30% of our nuclear radiation damage and man made is 70%, just to throw out a number for starters? Its the largest dose, how could it be unimportant?

                      I dont believe that radon, potassium or plutonium or any other elements are irrelevant to the discussion of nuclear dangers.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Dr G…well I thought I better review your paper again…you are so sure about it, I thought maybe you uncovered the holy grail of k-40 production. I went through all the links up to the calcium makes k-40…roughly 1/4 through the paper…and I didnt think any of them supported your hypothesis! I have read the whole thing before…but really there should be some good evidence in the first 1/4 of the paper…Maybe I am missing it! Could be!

              • penny penny

                This doesn't address my questions, by the way. I hope Doc is still here. Though I heartily agree that humans destroyed the biosphere.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                The word describing primordial K-40 in the ocean is "predominant". ge this to "greatest" is part of a dose scam on the part of the Nuke industry. Predominant means the actual atoms of K-40. greatest refers to the lethality and number of milirems.

                One atom radioactivity can cause a double-strand breakage. In the case of K-40 this number is 4 in 100,000. In the case of plutonium inhaled it is 100,000 in 100,000.

                Since the advent with modern agriculture and the addition of potassium to soils. People can now inhale K-40. See the toxnet article on radioactive potassium.

                The NRC model of ratio of man-made radiation and background radiation is 50/50 based on millirem exposure to people in the US. K-4 0 isn't even on the pie chart.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  And it shouldn't be on the pie-chart. The only reason this keeps getting debated is that some people om the Nuke industry want to say that K-40 is beneficial 100% of the time, when this clearly isn't the case. There is no evidence that there is any benefit at all. There is other evidence that the activity of K-40 is so small and it is in natural occurrence so tiny and bound to stable isotopes of potassium that it is usually no problem to a healthy person. But it does have beta and gamma rays and can and does cause lethal cancers at the rate of 4 in 100,000.

                  We need to stop all fission. Radioactive actinides are the extremely worst. If we stop all fission and fusion, etc., then there will be a huge reduction in artificial radionuclides. Of course, there are all the daughter products of all the nuclear waste, and as we have seen at Hanford and WIPP and elsewhere, stopping the fission now 100% of the time may be impossible.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    The 50/50 pie chart was determined pre-Fukushima. Since Fukushima fallout has increased and will continue to increase the next 250,000 years. The lethality from 3-14 meltthroughs reaching the atmosphere and ocean and land is really norrendous.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    correction; the nuclear industry never says that radiation from potassium is beneficial. Instead, they have derived its toxicity from bad Hiroshima data and a few modifiers, and PT keeps offering this derived but not tested ICRP assumed toxicity as proof that the world was dumbing down and sickening its life since life began.

                    Pt then offers some idea that either man doesnt have any k-40 because it all gets excreted, or that there is so little radiation from it that its almost a non issue, or any number of other ideas.

                    The fact is this; The ocean has 12,000 bq/m3 of radiation from primordial k-40 and this is much higher than any man made amount of radiation. In your body its even more alarming; we have over 60,000 becquerels per cubic meter of radiation in your cell fluid, right next to the DNA.

                    Meanwhile, we are worried that 10 or 30 becquerels per m3 is harming the ocean. How to reconcile this rationally instead of trying to wish away the inconvenient truth? First, we can acknowledge, as does mainstream science, that the becquerel (standard unit of radiation) is NOT a measure of toxicity. Its a measure of radioactive decay, not toxicity. So the rational minded can start there and climb the slope of logic whilst baffelgabbers cling to your heels

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      straw argument. CYBERSTALKING ATTACK 10,100.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      famacidal calumniation. CYBERSTALKING ATTACK # 1,577,369

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      I never said anything like "Pt then offers some idea that either man doesnt have any k-40 because it all gets excreted,". Please leave me out of your fantasy world.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Your banana argument is a broken record.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      "they have derived its toxicity from bad Hiroshima data", this argument of yours has nothing to do with K-40. That argument says that fission radionuclides are much worse than studies of Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors. These studies left out people in the study. For a better explanation read Zimmerman's book.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      You can find readable excerpts here:


                      Go to ECRR for more accurate risk models which are much HIGHER than ICRP.

                      But K-40 is the least of the worries for mankind.

                      How do you plan to shut down all nuclear reactors and all nuclear technology in the world?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      A person does have to take care of their potassium levels. If a person eats too much salt, the potassium levels will become too low, and the person then can start taking up radioactive cesium which is extremely toxic. All potassium is only in the body for about 3 weeks and needs to be constantly replenished. If a person takes potassium pills and takes too many pills the person has to go to a healtcare facility to get help to get rid of the excess potassium faster than the body ordinarily or the person can have heart problems.

                      But the tiny bit of natural potassium that is radioactive, K-40, is the least dangerous of all the radionuclides. It is strontium 90 and radioactive cesium, radioactive iodine, plutonium, uranium, and all the actinides that are most lethal. Curium is 100 times more lethal than plutonium.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Read this book:

                      Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats Paperback – June 4, 2013
                      by Kristen Iversen

                      if you want to hear how horrible the nuclear industry is.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Here's another book that will break your heart:

                      Plutopia: Nuclear Families, Atomic Cities, and the Great Soviet and American Plutonium Disasters Reprint Edition
                      by Kate Brown (Author)

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      here are pictures of present and future mankind:


                      click the thumbnail to enlarge the pictures.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Here are more pictures of babies. It makes me cry.



                      I taught as a substitute teacher in 3 different school districts and gone to teach and seen many classrooms of special ed students. It is extremely sad what radiation is doing to these children.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, you HAVE argued that man doesnt have potassium because it all gets excreted due to biological half life. Now you have changed your tune. You also HAVE argued that k-40 varies WILDLY among people, from 4 becquerels to 4000. That was just a little while ago that you were saying that. My argument of derived k-40 is a broken record? My argument of derived k-40 is a broken record? Perhaps because someone is always there behind me trying to say Im wrong? I have asked many many times for the test that shows k-40 toxicity and you have never produced it. And, you are wrong about k-40 being the least toxic according to your oft linked ICRP papers. Check it out;

                      K-40 – ICRP: 6.2 nSv/Bq
                      Co-60 – ICRP: 3.4 nSv/Bq
                      Sr-89 – ICRP: 2.6 nSv/Bq
                      Te-132- ICRP: 3.8 nSv/Bq

                      Who lives in a fantasy world?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      I have never argued that. Almost all plant based food in its unprocessed form has potassium. It get replenished every time you eat. I have advocated a 100% plant based diet with organic fruits and vegetables high in potassium to fight cancer.

                      It is not the same potassium from one year to the next. It is you that argues that it is all the same potassium. It is not you have to eat foods with potassium or you level of potassium will drop. This is why they test a person's blood for potassium levels.

                      There is a constant replenishing of potassium. Why do you think people eat foods rich in potassium. Their potassium levels would soon be much too high if they were secreting potassium at the same time.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      A person should never fast on water alone for longer than 3 days without supervision. You need to keep eating foods with potassium every day.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Top 10 Foods Highest in P

                      “Potassium is an essential nutrient used to maintain fluid and electrolyte balance in the body. A deficiency in potassium causes fatigue, irritability, and hypertension (high blood pressure). Unless you are on dialysis, or have a special condition, overdose of potassium from natural sources is nearly impossible; however, it is possible to consume too much potassium via potassium salts which can lead to nausea, vomiting, and even cardiac arrest. Healthy high potassium foods include beans, dark leafy greens, potatoes, squash, yogurt, fish, avocados, mushrooms, and bananas. The current daily value for potassium is 3.5 grams….


                    • unincredulous unincredulous


                      Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights

                      Really. Braising Jesus. If he could heal a leper, I guess a little electrolyte imbalance is not too much. Could his water have had electrolytes?
                      I never thought about this before now. I am not trying to give ammo to anti-Christians. Just a note for thought.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      uni, they drank Gatorade(tm) made from real alligators back then…not like the cheap knock off you see today

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Not sure we can depend on any of these charts for accurate information concerning all things Manmade Nuclear.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      obe, actually those charts are probably close enough for radiation dose. Where they fail is radiation danger from different radiation sources. Clearly, they underestimate man made radiation danger!

                    • Code—they pretend that calculated dose and danger are the same thing….therein lies the lie.

                      <stock in>

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      It depends on who "they" are. There have been scientists for the last 70 plus years who have told the truth, and those who haven't. Just read all the best educated scientists who say the worst about each of the various radionuclides to find the truth. Read all the best doctors and health practitioners to find out the best ways to combat the onslaught of radiation.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              penny, K-40 is a primordial radioisotope created in type 2 super novas. It hasnt been increasing. The only radionuclides that have increased dramatically since 1945 are tritium and carbon14.

              Claiming that man has created vast amount of k-40 is definitely undermining the anti nuclear effort. For one thing it undermines credibility since it isnt true. Secondly if it were true, it would dilute or undermine the toxicity of anthropogenic sources. You can see it; radiation from k-40 is 1000x more than cesium, in the ocean and much greater than that inside your body,…yet its the cesium and strontium and americium etc that we believe (and science doesnt believe) are doing all the destruction, not the potassium. If you implicate the potassium then you might as well say animals have been suffering small brains and genomic instability, getting worse each generation since life began. If this is the case you have NO anti nuke argument.

              By the way a beta particle isnt a beta particle…there is a range of energy, frequency (wavelength), frequency of decay and even penetration.

              The extremely low activity of k-40 may contribute to its benign nature, but note that science doesnt say this, it is we who are pointing out these differences. Science only cares about becquerels and the imaginary sievert system derived from them. Thats why NOAA and Woods Hole and everybody can constantly compare cesium to potassium and conclude there is no danger from the cesium

              • ISeePinkClouds

                Yes. CodeShutdown. Thank you for helping me gain greater understanding. In the end though,and maybe the greatest obstacle to peoples understanding is that "man hears what he wants to hear,and disregards the rest."

                Playing to that weakness works quite favorably for salesmen,politicians,and the Nuclear Industry. It has nothing to do with truth or science. It is psychology,and they have a head start.

                "entrenched in the minds of men…"

                We must do what we can.


                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  PinkClouds…thats why we prefer one liners; 'nuclear is KILLING our BABIES!!'

                  Man cant think but he still has some rudimentary emotional activators

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    BTW that one liner is only for the ladies. Heres one for the guys

                    'Nuclear is interfering with the ballgame'

                    Possibly 'nuclear is mutating the chicks' although that could backfire if they immediately visualize three breasted women.

                    Or as the joke goes; the ideal woman has no teeth and a flat head to put your beer on.

                    So maybe 'alert! nuclear is causing round headed women' for the guys and for the girls 'nuclear turned my man into an a–hole'

                    Disclaimer; its not my joke and its detestable…

                  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                    Nuclear: Too expensive to keep in containment.

                    Nuclear: One generation away from ground zero.

                    Nuclear: Losing our minds, one fetus at a time.

                    Nuclear: Forever, baby.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      nucear slogan 'women and children first'

                      'where theres life theres hope, where theres nuclear there isnt'

                      nuclear aphorism; 'what blows up must come down'

                      those who sleep with dogs will rise with fuel fleas

                      theres a time and a place for every nuclear accident

                      the way to a mans heart is through cesium 137

                      the wages of nuclear radiation is death

                      the road to hell is paved with strontium

                      nuclear; the good die young

                      bread always falls heavy metal side down

                      nuclear; stupid is as stupid does

                      radioactive waters run deep

                      sticks and stones may break your bones but nuclear will kill you with leukemia

                      See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil but pitchfork a nuclearist

                      nuclear; penny wise, plutonium foolish

                      a nuclearists bread and butter is another mans poison

                      nature abhors a nuclear reactor

                      nuclear misery loves company

                      marriages are made in heaven, nuclear deals are brokered in hell

                      little isotope profits please little minds

                      its better to give plutonium to a pro nuker than to recieve it

                      if god hadnt meant for us to choke nuclear CEOs, he wouldnt have given us hands.

                      he who goes a fissioning catches dead trout

                    • unincredulous unincredulous

                      Never let a crisis go to nuclear waste.

                  • DUDe DUD

                    …thats why we prefer one liners; 'nuclear is KILLING our BABIES!!'

                    Man cant think but he still has some rudimentary emotional activators

                    True that Code..

                    And for the generation's of babies..

                    "..Nuclear took MOMMY's boobs and gives a plastic thing i knew they gave a robot where Mommy used to be..Bye Now"

                    (i dont think its a joke so i dont know if it is detestable sry if)

                    Nuclear Fukushima Generation : "We Are The Last That Can Do Anything if Anything Can Be Done .."

                  • ISeePinkClouds

                    Yes. CodeShutdown. TY.

                    "Stiff upper lip,and all that. Cheerio!"


                    • DUDe DUD

                      "'where theres life theres hope, where theres nuclear there isnt'"

                      "..theres a time and a place for every nuclear accident.."

                      So True Code..

                • ISeePinkClouds

                  Yes. From Aliens (1986)

                  Newt: My mommy always said there were no monsters – no real ones – but there are.

                  Ripley: Yes, there are, aren't there?


                  • DUDe DUD

                    Nuclear Generation : "..We Are The Scorpion That Stung The Frog (The Planet Earth) While Crossing The River Of Life/Time.."

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Context.. :

                      ".. So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

                      Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

                      "You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

                      The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

                      "I could not help myself. It is my nature."

                      Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the
                      swiftly flowing river."
                      The End.. unless we get Fuku and the ones in line under control..and invent way's to take the poisson out the biosphere and concentrate/storage faster than we will die out from it..

                      And maybe we are still somehow halveway that river..

                    • unincredulous unincredulous

                      Better than boiling I guess

              • penny penny

                Code, "a beta particle isn't a beta particle" – do you have a reference for that? Because it IS an electron, always, and you can't tell the source of an electron once it's on its own. And according to this , betar particles leave the nucleus at a speed of 2.7×10^8 m/s always, meaning they have the same translational energy. I can't find anything giving a range of permeability, let alone any meaningful range.

                Has it occurred to you that other scientists might not be so easily duped by the K-40 argument? Hey, I'm a scientist*, and I can see through it. Not at all a lady, either, and if you think babies aren't important for men, I hope you never have any. Or is this all about the battle with PT?

                * PhD – Phys. Chem., Berkeley '92

                • penny penny

                  Alright, eating my words already. The same source as above mentions stronger and weaker beta particles (not explaining how they can have different energies). It goes on, however, to state that "each encounter with a living cell… is likely to damage some of the chemical links… or cause some permanent genetic change…" – so the difference in energy doesn't translate to a difference in danger presented within an organism. WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS. Again, again, again, the broken record of "Look at the [non-nuclear funded] epidemiological studies" plays itself out.

                  It's not a battle of science vs. science, it's a propaganda war. Almost all scientists have sold out, or they would be backing Busby.

                • penny penny

                  By the way, I've apologized till I'm blue in the face about asking that we leave off the jokes about women's appearance. Still, it seems there is a need to prove that sex-stereotyping comments are hunky-dory. Is that to prove that GMI is affecting us all? Otherwise, I don't see it winning allies in the anti-nuke movement. I know I'm about ready to call it a day here. If that's the objective, just say so. I don't have that much to add anyway, it's true. In fact, I think I'll just say adios to all the gentle souls here; you'll be in my thoughts 🙂

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    penny,the male female stereotyping sensitivity is unfortunate. Its like the saying; women and men are the two wheels of the chariot. Here is an indigenous Brazilian jungle tribe. Most cultures accentuate their feminine and masculine characteristics…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Penny regarding the potassium issue. Most people dont recognize the importance. Its interesting to see people try to fight it or throw it out as a diversion.

                    How do you answer this; There is far more radiation from background than from nuclear fallout. Scientists are always using this comparison to assure us of the safety of Fukushima and other nuclear disasters. –make no mistake about it; more radiation from background. How do explain that life was humming along nicely until the anthropogenic nuclear onslaught? Here is the graphic from Woods Hole. What will you say to Buesseler, without talking about the unimportant diversion of k-40? Your rebuttal to NOAA et al, how does it go?


          • Angela_R

            Dr. Goodheart,

            I refer to your link and note that my username appears in your article. As you are aware I have never posted on your website. Please remove what you have placed there under my name and inform me where you obtained those details.

            Thank you.

  • Sickputer

    News from Chernobyl: it won't be completed by the 30th anniversary of the explosion and fire of Chernobyl Reactor 4 (this April 26, 2016), but the 30,000 ton cover is being readied for deployment later this year:

    "Easily visible from kilometers away, the 30,000 tonne 'New Safe Confinement' arch will be pulled slowly over the site later this year to create a steel-clad casement to block radiation and allow the remains of the reactor to be dismantled safely…"

    SP: Fukushima presents a longer time period with ten times the nuclear fuel of Chernobyl and with three meltdowns and probably at least one is a melt-out of the building, so the time frame for covers is going to be many, many years.

    It is doubtful anyone now reading Enenews will still be alive when they start building covers for Units 1-3. Humans will be cooling the wreckage for another 250-300 years. A good date to shoot for would be in 2292, just in time for the Olympiad 100.

    The Tokyo main sports stadium roof might be installed by then…;-)

  • Sickputer

    "The majority of US nuclear power plants have reported groundwater leaks"

    SP: What keeps aging nuclear plants like Indian Point running way past their prime? It's the money….

    "Courtney Williams, a cancer researcher who lives in the area with her husband and little girl, puts it this way: “If you are looking at it really just with fresh eyes, you’re just like, ‘This is fucking insane, there’s a pipeline going through it and gas pipelines underneath it and it’s 40 years old and it’s right outside of New York and it’s leaking tritium [the radioactive hydrogen from February’s leak], this is insane! What are you doing!’ But if you’ve been working at the plant for 40 years, and you work there and your mom worked there, you’re just like, ‘Everyone’s comfortable with it here. Their families live nearby. They wouldn’t be doing anything that’s dangerous.’”

  • Jebus Jebus

    A site such as this can only ever be communication and colaboration.

    It can never take action unless someone puts the terrabytes of data available, together, coherently, into a format for mass consumption.


  • Jebus Jebus

    He he…

    Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Conspiracies (Web Exclusive)

    See… What's happening?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Fox inside reactor 2 December. They should mount a camera on it and throw rabbits down the reactor. Cheaper than robots…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I believe theory is important, but experimental results are amazing. Three nuclear reactors, each three times as large as the reactor that melted at Chernobyl, were melted and blown up right on the Pacific ocean, and washed down by numerous typhoons for five years. The Pacific Ocean marine life experienced mass die-offs. Salmon and seals may go extinct.

    So, let's not do that again.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Are any presidential candidates saying what they will do about the fire in the St. Louis landfill and the nuclear waste there?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "the incidentally produced 60Co is largely the result of multiple stages of neutron activation of iron isotopes in the reactor's steel structures[4] via the creation of 59Co precursor. The simplest case of the latter would result from the activation of 58Fe. 60Co decays by beta decay to the stable isotope nickel-60 (60Ni). The activated nickel nucleus emits two gamma rays with energies of 1.17 and 1.33 MeV, hence the overall nuclear equation of the reaction is

    27Co + n → 60
    27Co → 60
    28Ni + e− + ν
    e + gamma rays.

    Corresponding to its half-life the radioactive activity of one gram of 60Co is 44 TBq (about 1100 curies). The absorbed dose constant is related to the decay energy and time. For 60Co it is equal to 0.35 mSv/(GBq h) at one meter from the source. This allows calculation of the equivalent dose, which depends on distance and activity.

    Example: a 60Co source with an activity of 2.8 GBq, which is equivalent to 60 µg of pure 60Co, generates a dose of 1 mSv at one meter distance within one hour. The swallowing of 60Co reduces the distance to a few millimeters, and the same dose is achieved within seconds."

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Enter "new leak Fukushima" into a search engine, and view the results.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Realistically,am I over exaggerating?

    140 kg potassium 40 = 1 curie

    883 MICROgrams cobalt 60 = 1 curie

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