TV: “Rumbling in ground near massive sinkhole” — Update: Floor of salt cavern rising much faster than previously reported

Published: February 5th, 2013 at 12:11 pm ET
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Title: Scientist reports above-normal seismic activity at sinkhole
Source: WAFB 9 News
Date: Feb 05, 2013 7:39 AM EST

Experts are looking into the cause of recent rumbling in the ground near the massive sinkhole in Assumption Parish.

A scientist with the Center for Earthquake Research and Information reported there has been above-normal seismic activity around the site for several days. [...]

Texas Brine’s Feb. 3 Update (h/t The Bugle): “[Cavern] floor had risen 100 feet since last measured on Jan. 18.”

A 100-foot rise over a 15-day period is an average of almost 7 feet per day. Previously, the cavern floor had been rising at a rate of less than 1 foot per day (Sources: 1, 2, 3).

See also: Video: "Eerie situation in marsh near sinkhole in Bayou Corne"

Published: February 5th, 2013 at 12:11 pm ET
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64 comments to TV: “Rumbling in ground near massive sinkhole” — Update: Floor of salt cavern rising much faster than previously reported

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    I think they're going to be seeing another big BURP then significant subsidance into the hole


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    • FREEDOMROX

      By studying all of the daily updates, I have come to a cursory conclusion. For all intents and purposes Oxy #3 Cavern no longer exists. The seismic activity and the big 'belch' of January 19th was the final collapse of the cavern and is now just filling with sedimentary rock being pushed ever onwards by the formation oil and waters.

      The daily reports since that incident indicate that no more water has been derived from Oxy #3A, nor anything much in the way of brine or oil.

      In the short term this could be a good thing as some support is being provided for the salt flank at that depth to rest upon, if not brined out and filled with sediments. This is not to say that there isn't a void where the uppermost section of Cavern 3 once was at, but the sedimentary flow rates have tripled since the 'belch'.

      Unfortunately, this also cuts off a major extraction route for any hydrocarbons, and formation waters but, of course not for the gases.

      Additionally, if sediments completely fill the remainder of the cavern void, then the formation waters, hydrocarbons, and gases will find another route of least resistance. Also with sediments moving east, then expect more westward subsidence.

      Best case scenario, more earth falls in, but at such depth that it may seal off the oil sands for some time. With the other pathways available, (bubble sites), then they will be forced to seek these alternate pathways out.

      Just my opinion, as usual.


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        Hey Freedom,

        Ya had me until the end and even then you are qualifying it as best case.

        "Best case scenario, more earth falls in, but at such depth that it may seal off the oil sands for some time. With the other pathways available, (bubble sites), then they will be forced to seek these alternate pathways out."

        You have acknowledged before that the reason the hydrocarbons started interacting with the collapsed cavern was that as the salt dome formed it uplifted the shale and various other soil layers. The interaction between soil and salt along the flank also provided salt welds between layers of soil.

        My opinion is that without the upturn in soil formations along the flank the leaking of hydrocarbons and formation waters will not stop for many years if ever. It would take and astonishing migration of salt upwards or some humongous / ingenuity geo-engineering effort to change that. I feel that the unnatural / unorganized way that the salt and geology are filling in the collapsed cavern will leave fill with extremely high fluid conductivity and rather than helping to seal the human inflicted wound, will exacerbate the hydrocarbon flow and erosion problem at the lowest depths.

        "formation waters, hydrocarbons, and gases will find another route of least resistance"

        I agree with that 100%. Look out for problems further out as time goes on and the pathways are blocked off or easier paths open up.


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        • FREEDOMROX

          "The interaction between soil and salt along the flank also provided salt welds between layers of soil."

          Actually, no. Salt welds are within the domal processes and cannot be formed in that manner. Salt creeps and in geologic time do uplift the formations, and that part is correct.

          What isn't is the very hard, brittle shale within which contains the salt. The boundary between shale and salt is known as the 'Shale Sheath' and with the formation sands pressing hard into the sheath and being pinched upwards to just under the area that the Oxy 3 cavern sat upon, and with the absence, (since 1997 that we know of), of salt from the 500-1000 ft. bare area inside the cavern, finally caused the 'Frack out' and the destruction of that part of the shale sheath as well as the rock fractures exploding to the surface.

          It's all shown in graphics and in detail at:

          http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/louisiana-sinkhole-and-proof-ldnr-and-texas-brine-knew-oxy-3-could-fail-in-2010/


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          • 16Penny 16Penny

            Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding, but doesn't the salt fill in voids between layers of shale and other types of soil along the flank of the dome.

            My understanding was that any time salt fills in the cracks and solidifies it acts as a "weld" between the soil particles. My apologies if I am misapplying this term.

            As always, I respect your work with and understanding of the information that is coming out.


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            • FREEDOMROX

              Anytime 16 P and I was not being critical of you at all.

              "My understanding was that any time salt fills in the cracks and solidifies it acts as a "weld" between the soil particles."

              No. This how salt creeps and flows through the other sedimentary rocks and gains a greater expansion amd movement. Although salt has a high heat gradient, its plasticity ensures it will not weld or become static, since its overall density is still far less than the surrounding rock strata.

              When a salt layer becomes too thin to be an effective detachment layer, due to salt movement, dissolution or removal by faulting, the overburden and the underlying sub-salt basement become effectively welded together.

              This may cause the development of new faults in the cover sequence and is an important consideration when modeling the migration of hydrocarbons. Salt welds may also develop in the vertical direction by putting the sides of a former diapir in contact.

              In this instance, without the overall 3-D survey that was conducted by Golden Gate in 2007, then we are only left to wonder if this was once a passive salt diapir.

              Since the shale sheath and surrounding rock strata are now fractured, then we sure know that now it has become an active/reactive salt structure.

              I hope this clears up any confusion, and sorry if I led anyone into said confusion. It was not my intent.


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  • jec jec

    Yes, and just trying to FIND the official reports to find things like the 100 foot rise..is full time. And probably on purpose..data for data's sake, blab blab blab from the "professionals" hired by Texas Brine — lots of talk without any true idea of what is going on. Simply put..NO ONE..not governments..not scientists..have an idea of what this disaster will do, or the end state. This has never happened before. So..its guesses only..and no way to GUARANTEE safety. Of course..the experts all say.."no immediate" danger. Sound familiar? That's from the various "play books" of EPA, Japan, BP…..


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    If the cavern floor is rising 7 ft a day as the article says then whats coming up below that to take its place? Big Hum?? Hmmmmm…. Or should I say Big Hmmmmmmmmmmm…… They can't drill or explore the sinkhole funnel hole at the bottom center from fears of unclogging it and releasing the kracken of Lake Fukucorne! Guys I had to throw a little humor into this as it has us all a bit stressed :) Get this – I am in San Antonio attending the International Roofing Expo at the convention center and stepped outside to grab a smoke. I was giving a friend of mine an update on Bayou Corne as I know it to be and this fellow by the rail a few feet was overhearing our conversation. After a minute or 2, the gentleman stepped over to me a proceeded to show me a picture on his iphone. Low and behold it was a close up picture of bubbleing water like at bayou corne. I asked him is that bayou corne? He said no with his head down slightly, he said I live 40 some odd miles south of there and this was in my backyard after a heavy rain last week. I was not happy to see that picture on his phone and that he was 40 miles away from the sinkhole. There is a massive methane release going on as we speak throughout the entire saltdome border lines including offshore. That much widespread methane escapage has got to be extremely hazardous and flammable. Very very bad news. Those methane detectors in the bayou corne community should be put out all over southern louisianna immediately. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Sounds like more evidence of a Macondo Mishap connection to me. By the time we find out it is or isn't connected to the blown well and sublimating hydrocarbons it will probably be too late to do anything, If anything can be done other than evacuation and monitoring.


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    • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

      I realize that they cannot put a methane detector at every home in southern louisianna however the problem of methane coming up through the ground is extremely widespread throughout the saltdome arena -THE WHOLE SALT DOME AREA. A hazmat investigative team should be dispatched to check every bayou in southern louisianna and every town. Boaters of all the bayous need to start calling in their sightings to the louisianna department of homeland security. and make sure they are recorded. I cannot believe this is getting to be so big and the government has not stepped in to assist in the crisis unfolding. WTF do we pay taxes for. This is real . This in now. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE METHANE!!! Oh Im sorry you can't because it has not been processed yet as it is natural and has no odor!


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      • FREEDOMROX

        TM2020, If he lives 40 miles away, (which direction wasn't mentioned), then I suspect he is near Lake Peigneur where AGL is ramming through the permit process to create two more natural gas salt caverns, even though it is the site of the worst salt mine failure ind engineering disaster in recent history, (1980).

        Nara Crowley, a Lake Peigneur area resident who has been fighting the expansion, said she hopes state regulators will give the project a closer look in light of the ongoing issues with the large sinkhole believed to be related to a failed salt cavern at Bayou Corne in Assumption Parish.

        Crowley also pointed to mysterious bubbling at Lake Peigneur.

        Bubbling also was reported at Bayou Corne before the sinkhole developed there last year, but the bubbling at Lake Peigneur has been much more sporadic.

        Still, Crowley said, testing by various government agencies has not identified the cause of the bubbles.

        “We don’t know what this bubbling is,” she said.

        Hyde said that while the testing has not identified the precise cause of the bubbling, testing has confirmed that “it is not coming from our wells.”

        He also said mechanical integrity tests on the existing caverns, which he compared to leak tests, have found no problems."

        (Courtesy of the Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle, and The Advocate.)

        http://theadvocate.com/home/5096788-125/hearing-set-on-permit-for


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        • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

          Rox – I was in a hurry and cant remember the name of the town he said he was from but that it was about 40 or so miles from Bayou Corne. He also said that he drives by the sinkhole regularly and that you can easily see the sinkhole from hwy 70 now. I am going to see if I can find that guy again and get a little more info from him. There seems to be hundreds of miles of methane bubbleing and ground releases from bayou corne to lake peigneur. SInkhole has just made a really bad methane escaping problem to a much worse outcome with land sinking.


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    • Steve_G Steve_G

      Wow, TM, this situation just keeps getting worse on an almost daily basis! Do you have any info on the floor of the gulf itself rising?


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  • SwimsWithGators

    Ground is moving. Where is the ground moving to? Into the cavern. What is replacing the moving ground? Ground from above. Is the ground from above saturated with water from the aquifer? Yes.

    As the ground from above sinks it enlarges the sinkhole at the surface. When it sinks it carries more aquifer water down. As that water moves down it displaces oil and gasses that filled voids in the sedimentary rocks. As the water moves in, the oil and gas move up as those are buoyant.

    The aquifer's natural movement is to the south. It is in a layer of determined height. It was contained before the sinkhole appeared. The sinkhole has broken the containment at the bottom allowing gas and oil to be entrained in the aquifer waters.

    As the aquifer waters move south under the surface, carrying the entrained oil and gas, the gas is finding fissures in which it can move up to the surface: hence the bubbling being reported away from the sinkhole.

    Again, briefly: The aquifer is capturing oil and gas and moving it laterally under the surface.

    Released oil and gas was coming straight up through the sinkhole, but now is moving sideways.


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  • SwimsWithGators

    Subject: Further Salt Dome Dissolution

    It has been pointed out that once water reaches a certain saturation of 3 part water to one part salt, salt dissolution stops. So, they say, no more salt is dissolving.

    But consider this: The brine water 3:1, is heavier than fresh. And the column of water from the aquifer above is now pushing down on the water below. It's called 'Head Pressure.'

    A 1,000 foot column of water has tremendous pressure at the bottom of that column. So what is happening deep underground is that column of fresh water is bearing heavily upon the brine water. Remember, pre-sinkhole, there was no water column reaching to the salt except directly in the cavern.

    Now with the water column outside the cavern pushing down on the brine which is full of dissolved salt, the brine is being forced into voids where oil and gas once resided. That brine water is forcing the oil and gas out of its holes.

    That means the brine water which was once dissolving the salt is now being replaced with fresh water allowing more salt dissolution. Which means more of the salt dome is being eroded. Which means more ground movement as the sedimentary rock moves into the place the salt once was.

    Again, briefly: The brine is being forced into places that oil and gas are, releasing that oil and gas to float to the surface. As the brine moves away from the salt it is being replaced with fresh water from above which then allows more salt to be dissolved.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      To a point, I agree SWG, as I took that position as well in the beginning, and there most likely is a 'head pressure' involved, yet from underneath from the formation waters, and above from the gravity fed leaking aquifer.

      At one point, I thought this was all that needed to be involved, but it isn't. The 3-1 rule does not apply in this instance. It would if it flowed in and remained static, but we know this is not the case here.

      The aquifer waters were once thought less than brackish, and able to be used as freshwater. Most people make the mistake of believing that salt water is brine, but it isn't. Allow me to demonstrate.

      Water salinity classification scheme: brine, greater than 50,000 mg/L; saline, 30,000 to 50,000 mg/L; brackish, 5,000 to 30,000 mg/L; and fresh, less than 5,000 mg/L.

      Yet even brine can dissolve more salts, many times as high as 100,000 mg/L and depending upon temperatures and pressures, even more. As you can see the static 3-1 rule cannot apply in the current environment.

      Additionally, as any brine water comes into contact with sediments and even passing thru rock structures bleeds its salts over into the medium it passes thru, reducing salinity. This of course is just how a water filter works.

      As for the displacement method between gases, hydrocarbons, and the water formation, and the aquifer, then I will not speak to that as of now, since the whole system is interconnected by the collapsed shale and sediments column.


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      • SwimsWithGators

        Yep. So you are saying that a brine solution of 3:1 can still absorb more salt? I can see that especially under the intense pressure at the bottom of the column.

        Question: What is the height of the column from surface to cavern opening? That would determine head at the time of the sinkhole forming.

        Oil and gas: Once trapped in the sediment with no avenue to the surface but now with a column of water in which to move, it rises in that column. Hence we see it on the surface.

        I take it you are familiar with contained aquifers? And that there now is no bottom containment within the new column?

        What was the historical bottom containment of this aquifer? How many feet below the surface was that former bottom? And how low can it go within the new column?

        My feeling is that the new column will go as low as the bottom of the salt dome. How many feet is that? 10,000?


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        • FREEDOMROX

          What you are asking are the semi-unknowns.

          The bottom of the aquifer was 700 ft. and the top of the caprock WAS there, but a small section is now MIA.

          The bottom cavern depth was at 5600 ft. The cavern roof is at 3500 ft. and last known bottom of the cavern was at 4241 ft. plus another 110 ft. since then, meaning you only have 631 ft. of void space, or brine.

          In other words, a lot less of a cavern, than the size of the voids outside and above the hanging sheath. This will in time fail as well, since the salt was only showing at all above 4500 ft. and is surely going as we speak.

          As for the Salt Dome, it is close to 11500 ft deep in places, but less than 10000 on the western edge.


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        • Thad

          Top of aquifier ~ 90ft, bottom ~360 f per DNR/ Snaw graphic.
          There are two points the breach has to be within– it can be no lower than the 5,600' bottom of the cavern or above the 3,400' top- though it may slope upward from that point. It would also be logical that the breach is between the top of the cavern at 3,400 ft and the present top of the debris fill in the cavern 4,076 ft.
          The base of the salt dome is also the top of the Louann saltbed that it is an extrusion of. The base of the salt bed runs between 20,000 to 35,000 ft


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    • Thad

      SWG
      The engineering term is hydrostatic pressure. Shaw tested and put out a graph of water salimity gradient in the sinkhole. Surface – near fresh to fully saturated brine at 180 ft. But if you wish to consider all water above the salt top at 700 ft including the aquifier as fresh, the hydrostatic pressure for 700 ft of fresh water is– 305 psi.
      Having a problem explaining that the lighter fresh water is not going to sink down in and through the heavier brine– a gallon of fresh water weights 8.36 lbs, a gallon of satuarated salt brime weights 10.0 lbs– take a tub of saturated salt brine water(10.0 ppg) and place a gallon jug of fresh water in it –IT FLOATS -Eurika- Archimedes. The brine is not being replaced by fresh water.
      Exactly at what depth the gas and oil is coming from is yet unknown but for calculation purpose lets use 4,500' at that depth the brine hydrostatic pressure would be 2,340 psi. IF the hydrostatic pressure of the brine fluid column was greater than the formation pressure the gas/ oil could NOT flow from the formation. For the brine to enter the source formations as you suggest the hydrostatic pressure would have to be greater than the formation pressure.
      There could be a water flow, formation water coming up with the gas/oil. It is NOT fresh NOR brine but has a salinity 135,000 – 164,000 chlorides of salt,would only dissolve about a third as much salt to be saturated…There is no evidence of a upwelling or overflowing of water in the sinkhole…


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      • FREEDOMROX

        Thank you Thad. I was taking a long walk around a short pier, but that works as well. Unfortunately, we do have a mixing fluidic situation that brings into question many of the factors involved.

        So much is still an unknown that should be known by now. Salinity levels underground are not static, yet we have no idea where they are actually located. I have some saved readings that place it as high as 3700 ft. and due west of the 'Stinkhole', but no real readings except one of about 2300 ft. due east and about a hundred and fifty yards from center of the funnel.

        That from the IRIS tools and siesmo readings of Jan. 10-23rd, utilizing the soundings from the known heli's surface, and geoprobes borehole. Now they have taken the less sensitive heli's out and a sounding is near impossible. It's like turning the hearing aid volume up to 100.

        So, again, we have unknowns, and known unknowns. Yet a bubbling site on Crosstex property is not encouraging news.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    It's a nice feeling to carry on an intelligent conversation without conflict.
    Has it occured to anyone, just how much electrostatically created hydrogen is being created underneath the ground in Bayou Corne?
    A old chemistry teacher of mine came to mind, and this equation keeps ringing a bell in the back of it. Why? Humph!

    2 NaCl + 2 H2O → 2 NaOH + H2 + Cl2

    I hope I got that right. Been a long time, but the production of chlorine is achieved in this manner, and hydrogen is shown as the by-product.

    Anyone get where I am going with this?


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    • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

      2 NaCl + 6 H2O + H2S + CCl4 + 2HF + CH3Cl + Cl2 + CaOH + 2HNO3 + 2C -> 2 NaOH + 2CH4 + Cl2 + H2S04 + CCl2F2 + 3HCl + CH2Cl2 + Ca(NO3)2 + H2O
      making propane out of that is a piece of cake
      (pardon the mistake here and there – im in a hurry)


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      • Thad

        Where is this taking place– sinkhole area–?
        If so what are the source of the hydrofluoric acid, the hot lime, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, carbon tetrachloride


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        • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

          Thad, when u plant a melon or pineapple tree, it still has acid within even if the area doesn’t contain a lot of acid. Your body grows hard teeth and strong bones even if
          u drink mother’s milk and ice cream. Some would tell of the high temperatures needed for the reactions to be possible, yet it happens while u sleep. Those are transitional. Tie ten strings to a ball and pull in different directions: the ball will only move in one direction at a time – the resultant direction, so the weaker forces are indeed eliminated. Yes, there is a lot of jibber jabber out there. I do expect layers of concentrations 6000ft upwards. That is how acid rain is formed. Factories burn it out at the top. The dome is huge and very interconnected by now. Cheers Thad.


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          • Thad

            H-1234 so you are saying all that is needed is a huge melon or pineaple field — in the sinkhole…. enough to make propane?
            WOW !
            "The dome is huge and very interconnected by now–" NO
            and even if so none of the chemicals listed were stored in the caverens–


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          • FREEDOMROX

            I think I uderstand part of that. It would mostly have to come from natural processes outside the dome, and as a by-product of the methane, hydrocarbons, H2O, alkaloids…. That is how H2S is formed, and then a thermolytic reaction thereby creates SO2. It could even be stated as a mixture of the salt concentrations within the rock strata voids. Very interesting, but these would be in smaller concentrations, and highly unlikely to create propane, but certainly H2C=CH2 (ethylene) in large quantities.

            That's thinking outside the box. :)


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  • FREEDOMROX

    I don't know Thad. That's way over my head. I was actually speaking of the electro-seismically created activity creating chlorine with hydrogen as a by-product which could easily be pressuring the voids and setting off more seismic events.

    What haizedustrium-1234 put in looks more like what a fractionating plant would do. Way over my head….


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Lime can be dangerous when fracked out or into. Look at these NORM values
    18415 Bq/kg of Ra226, 10959 Bq/kg of Th-232, 5-700Bq/kg of K-40
    courtesy of http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf30.html
    also http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/2009/world/peter-gleick-what-the-frack-poisoning-our-water-in-the-name-of-energy-profits/
    Freedomrox, this is for u.


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    • Thad

      Now there a blessing for the people of Bayou Corne – no fracking and no limestone formations


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      • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

        and for a 100 years there were no oil, no mining, no drilling, no corexit (whatever that is), no gas manufacturing, no radiation, no methane bubbling, just salt, the Miss, Chris and Hum and prosperous wild life?


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    • FREEDOMROX

      haizedustrium-1234,

      Thank you so much for the links, as this is indeed presicely where the scale comes from and in such large quantities. This is just what the Geismar plant produces, and Vulcan before that, and Hooker before that in 1965.

      Can you imagine how much TENORM is in that facility that hasn't been removed, or even found. I couldn't do that work, for I would be pigging the pipelines every 24 hours. :) Guess you would get much in the way of phosphates for fertilizers then.

      Appreciate the fracking figures too. It's getting to the poin that the numbers are mind-boggling. One said that this 'produced water' is only a fraction of fresh water in the US, but there has to be a limit.

      As for the earlier equation you posted? I looked into them closer and if you were talking about the water well lakes and now the aquifer itself, then it is very possible to make even worse than propane, according to the DEQ water well toxicology results from Sept. Anyone breathing this is truly in danger.

      Bayou Corne is truly America's new 'Love Canal'

      Thad, where on earth did you get there is no limestone there? The Caprock is a limestone composite of gypsum, anhydrite, dolomite and sulphur, and shale is just compressed limestone.


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      • Thad

        NO shale is 'compressed' clay–
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale

        Limestone is calcium carbonate
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone

        Anhydrite – compressed gypsum Calcium sulfate
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhydrite

        Sand, clays, mudstone, siltstone, shale are sedimentary formations
        Limestone, gypsum, anhydrite, dolomite are evaporite formation.
        Could not find a link on Napoleanville saltdome caprock composition. Do you have one to share —


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        • FREEDOMROX

          Agreed, shale is compressed mud and clay, but have you read none of the geological reports of Southern Louisiana and the limestone crush?

          Yessir, I have a complete survey of the Caprock performed by Shaw, yet you want me to look it up for you, when it was reported months ago?

          C'mon, gimme a break. If you truly cannot find this information out by tomorrow, then let me know and I will dredge up the scientific entreatise for you, but honestly…

          Do I have to keep doing this over and over and over again, months on end?

          Look it up!


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          • FREEDOMROX

            Everytime I say something nice about you, and agree with you…you immediately attack me. Just freaking unreal. You should know this info by now….


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            • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

              Methinks someone overuses the word "attack" way too often. Perhaps they should look up the words attack, along with snarky,sarcasm….and condescending.

              Examples:

              at·tack (-tk)
              v. at·tacked, at·tack·ing, at·tacks
              v.tr.
              1. To set upon with violent force.
              2. To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.

              sarcasm [ˈsɑːkæzəm]
              n
              1. mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

              snark·y (snärk)
              adj. snark·i·er, snark·i·est Slang
              1. Rudely sarcastic or disrespectful; snide.
              2. Irritable or short-tempered; irascible.

              con·de·scend·ing (knd-sndng)
              adj.

              For the record, this isn't an attack, but an observation.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Even worse, I now see where you are headed here, and it already exists, and has been at the surface for a long while.

    "Ra-226, Ra-224, Ra-228 and Pb-210 are mobilized, and appear mainly in the water co-produced"

    "These isotopes and their radioactive progeny can then precipitate out of solution, along with sulphate and carbonate deposits as scale or sludge in pipes and related equipment. Radon-222 is the immediate decay product of Radium-226 and preferentially follows gas lines. It decays (through several rapid steps) to Pb-210 which can therefore build up as a thin film in gas extraction equipment."

    "The level of reported radioactivity varies significantly, depending on the radioactivity of the reservoir rock and the salinity of the water co-produced from the well. The higher the salinity the more NORM is likely to be mobilized."

    So what we are looking at is the uncontrolled process without the equipment to collect the scale and is free flowing into the enivronment via the high saline swamp waters.

    So why have no radioactivity readings been taken South of the 'Stinkhole'? The standard for detection would necessarily have to be much lower than at a producing wellhead or production facility. Don't they know or care that this has a cumulative effect?


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    http://haynesvilleshales.com/cottonvalley.html

    yes, shale in not a rare commodity in the greater area, and horizontal formations extends over miles an miles, including the now possibly polluted aquifer, and this is related to the rumbles for sure. I would think the higher you go maybe C6H6.. or C9H9.. etc by theoretical example, that would not be a naturally occurring gas in large quantities. Thad definitely misunderstood me.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Considering the shale sheath is all that held the dome in check, that is a given, sir. The aquifer is contaminated and is shown in the earlier reports as well as the Sept. Water wells report that already show way over the top isobutane and benzine numbers. These are also in the reservoirs they keep close by as well.

      Something is not right when an air quality survey comes back just fine and dandy, yet you have all these chemicals surfacing all along a 1-2 mile stretch, and residents continually complain of the odors.

      Something ain't right about this picture.


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Include one of toluene, ethylbenzene, xylene or one of its dauhters or fathers with the others and salt rock becomes fairly spongy, remember it is salt rock, not salt as we think salt, and with every rumble there is more displacement and gas release. The flaring should also produce much of the odors. Scary stuff. Solve one problem and create another. Choose one.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      I thank you haizedustrium-1234

      That was very instructional and enlightening. An intellectual exercise that produces results is always stimulating, but frustrating as well, since none of it will affect the people that are in charge, and undoubtably know that this whole fiasco underground is very similar to a natural fractionation plant.

      Considering K/D/S Promix is just down the road, then its a certainty.

      Hopefully this will serve to warn people to the south of the sinkhole to the radiation dangers, as well as the people of Belle Rose and Bayou Corne of the actual inhalation exposure risks.

      I personally would not work within two miles of there without a mask on…


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    keeping all possibilities of natural byproduct natural waste open,
    and remember oil is money, Thad might have more depth, pressure and distance there


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Oh, no you did not….just go there. :)

      What is of immediate concern to me is that Well Pad 3 is where the seismic energy is centered and just eastwards, so good idea they shut it down.

      It bodes very ill that the ‘stinkhole’ hasn’t burped or belched yet. It may indicate a more settled and solid ‘Seep Plug’ flapper valve. This is bad because it means enormous pressures will slowly build until it clears the throat, and then we have a geyser instead of a belch!

      As most know, I have written about this eventually happening, but was hoping it would be further down the road, and I don't mean days, I was hoping months longer…


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    It makes cleaning operations difficult, dangerous and costly doesn't it.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Actually, I have never understood the flaring to begin with. It’s the height of stupidity to flare this off and poison people, when these wells could easily shunt it into the Chevron natural gas pipeline just next door. All that would be needed is a portable scrubber and filter onsite.

    As for the 'stinkhole' itself, they may contain the waters for a short time now, but should have been done when the first barrel of oil was skimmed. The tilt meters already show subsidence of over 6 and a half inches after the Jan. 19th 'belch', meaning from well pad 3 to the inclinometer west a total of 3.3 inches of steadily gradient subsidence, so how they think containment will do any good now is a mystery to me.

    Now, if the 'berm' works and the stinkhole waters contained, then we have a super toxic pit that will soon overwhelm anyone within a mile, at least if current concentrations continue to show up after these burps.

    One thing Thad ia absolutley correct about is the need for an oil rig to pinch off these formations, or there will never be an end to this nightmare.

    Also, to anyone wondering about Fracking and the sinkhole. This is precisely how this whole mess started. Take 13,997,126 Barrels of brine under 5,500 ft. of pressure exploding threw the shale sheath a 1000' in height (4500'-5500' below) tear open and into the (Big Hum, Cris, Marg Vag, etc.) rock and sand formations meeting head on, and you have the very definition of a SUPER FRACKING MACHINE!


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  • FREEDOMROX

    WOW! I just found the actual owners of the west side of the Dome and the Areas West. Not just the Oxy-Taft, but of the sedimentary areas outside the Dome. How could I have missed it? It was a part of the 1987 GJL overview. Talk about hiding in plain site and after the fact.

    http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/docs/conservation/documents/12.Emergency.Texas.Brine.pdf


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  • FREEDOMROX

    APPJ President Throws out one of the Louisiana Sinkhole's Residents from the PUBLIC MEETING!

    http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/meeting-thursday-news/


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  • irhologram

    February 6, 2013 Albuquerque, New Mexico – "Earthfiles has received loud boom reports from at least thirty regions of the United States since October 17, 2012, as residents from the East Coast to Bakersfield, California, and from Verde Valley, Arizona to Anchorage, Alaska, have reported booms associated in some cases with bright flashes of light to local authorities and media. So far no one has a final answer to the eerie boom phenomenon that has been ongoing since the spring of 2011. During the first year of reports, many people described feeling hard thumps against the bottom of their shoes and on the wall next to them while floors shook. Then beginning in mid-2012, most witnesses said the loud booms and flashes of light were coming from the sky." http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2062&category=Environment. Site contains extensive data base of witnesses and locations of unexplained booms and rumbling.

    "No one knows for sure, but scientists speculate that these "booms" are probably small shallow earthquakes that are too small to be recorded, but large enough to be felt by people nearby. In New Madrid, Missouri, there are accounts of "artillery-like" sounds that were said to have occurred before or during the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812. [Mystery booms coming from deep in the plate boundary were reported in Indonesia for many months before the December 2004 quake and tsunami.]" http://mysterybooms.blogspot.com/


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Thad, this is where the Fluorine comes from:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100701184251AAtLxYt
    The rest comes from where the rumbles comes from.


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    Thad, Natrium comprises approximately 2.6% of the earth's crust.
    http://chemistry.about.com/od/elementfacts/a/sodium.htm
    Eighteen isotopes of sodium are known. Only one isotope is stable: Na-23.
    It is highly reactive and may ignite spontaneously on water.
    So unless isolated by means of an exerptum process, it will be a
    chemical compound as you stated. How well do you think the
    sink hole area does with respect to 2.6% taking all adjacent and
    surrounding crust in direct or indirect contact into consideration?
    In all likelihood the natrium reserves are not exhausted.


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